#assassination

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winged sun
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i think sub is abit better because it destroys some packs

olive tree
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ye just wondered cuz outlaws biggest flaw is its targetcap aint it

winged sun
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Brb food

unreal tide
coral ibex
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outlaw's biggest flaw is utterly crumbling when forced to do a mechanic requiring you to lose uptime

grim jay
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Outlaws biggest flaw is existing

coral ibex
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i like outlaw, i dont like farming back AR

grim jay
elfin valley
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On mythic Stix are y'all just relying on caustic spatter for add DMG or are y'all actively going out and applying bleeds/dpsing them. Specifically the bombshells

west crown
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lock in on boss

lethal arrow
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Depends on if someone calls for a far bombshell

coral ibex
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my comp is extremely melee heavy so tank is dragging to nearby bombshells

west crown
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swap target is no bueno

spice spire
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!fok

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

coral ibex
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but i am just hitting boss

lethal arrow
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But otherwise slam boss

ionic pumice
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how many stacks magnet will be

coral ibex
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our only prog block at this point is ball rollers not picking up scrapmasters or running into bombshells

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the adds get mulched instantly

lethal arrow
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Seems to be the standard

west crown
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stacks dont matter, press

lethal arrow
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Unless it's an add out in the middle of nowhere free casting

coral ibex
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its not like you lose uses

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our add dam all night on stix

west crown
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i feel like fire mage should be higher

lethal arrow
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Assuming that's average amongst all pulls

coral ibex
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its total for all pulls last night

lethal arrow
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Also no boomkin feelsbad

coral ibex
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our comp is mega bad lol

lethal arrow
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Yeah this fight feels like shit if u don't have the right classes

coral ibex
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imagine spreading for fire circles with 9 melee

lethal arrow
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3 boomkins, 3 spriests mandatory

coral ibex
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i don't have to imagine

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i'm living it

lethal arrow
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Trash just inevitably gets lit on fire

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Due to too many melee

coral ibex
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RL stopped yelling about it lmao

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literally inevitable

lethal arrow
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Would literally have to run 16 ranged for it to not

hardy crypt
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
crisp stream
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!up

royal lantern
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good weekend too you all

warm vortex
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SHowed this to my raid leader and he loved it

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He was so distracted by the message in the bottom left tho

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Cause that's his old rl

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Or smth

royal lantern
golden loom
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Verstappen my goat

warped lily
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Hi gyus

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are we capped?

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is there a limit of targets?

spice surge
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Soft capped yes

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Just like 99% of all other specs

humble verge
warped lily
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the reason im asking, its because I change to fury warrior, and its foking horrible to be 5 target capped

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so im thinking of coming back to rogue

spice lagoon
warped lily
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man sucks bc i really likde the fury playstyle

shadow gyro
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Sorry for a dumb question but I've never had a weapon crafted before:
When crafting everforged stabber, You use the Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension of highest quality + Enchanted Gilded Harbinger crest, right? Which Missive do you use? Peerless(crit+mastery) ?

golden loom
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Peerless is fine yeah

gritty laurel
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it really doesn't matter, but if you want to squeeze every last 0.05% out, sim it

golden loom
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Secondary stats on weapons are so low anyways that it doesnt really matter

shadow gyro
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aight šŸ™‚ ty! and the ilevel will be 675 as long as i use highest quality of the other mats(fang, weapon wrap and alloys) right? šŸ™‚

golden loom
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If u wanna make sure, find a crafter

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So you can set the quality to 5

shadow gyro
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oh i see

gritty laurel
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just put out a LF BS message in trade chat, you'll instantly get 3-6 messages

spice surge
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You need highest quality yes, otherwise they have to use concentration, which they often charge more for than the cost of the r3 mats anyway

golden loom
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Public order can sometimes fuck you over

shadow gyro
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nice, good to know! thanks a lot šŸ™‚

warped lily
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So guys, i played assasination on season 1, did rotation change for this season?

gritty laurel
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you're better off reading up on the changes on wowhead and in the pins on this channel

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whispyr also put out a few videos on it

warped lily
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cool

gritty laurel
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mostly very similar though

spice spire
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!hero

prisma monolithBOT
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Fatebound is slightly worse than Deathstalker in pure single target, but is over 20% worse in mythic+ because of its talent design nerfing itself with more aoe
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle sometimes

spice spire
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
half tartan
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Does anyone actually irl play fatebound? Sims are close but why is it. A huge majority plays deathstalker?

coral ibex
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yea i'm a real coin flipping freak irl

spice spire
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Why swap if one is always higher

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Also the command actually stated exactly why

uneven plume
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10mil+ envenom crits

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thats why

royal lantern
golden loom
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Would be pretty nice if it actually was way better in ST

spice spire
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Now it’s not even better in st

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And slightly worse

golden loom
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Exactly its just SHIT

royal lantern
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the fact that its literally rng ina game where consistent performance is important

spice spire
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Dry shiv op

royal lantern
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is just soooo stupid

inland escarp
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I played it a bit last tier on reclears just for the dopamine of random high streaks lol

winged sun
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@spice spire are we still FoKing at 2 targets ?

warped lily
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I have a 660 toon, if I want to gear a alt fast, how would you do it guys

humble verge
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spend a week doing keys

prisma monolithBOT
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Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

spice spire
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There’s 6 answers

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We read now šŸ™‚

winged sun
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ty

sonic schooner
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Yw

warm vortex
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2.8K gang :D

winged sun
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what the hell

warm vortex
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This russian tank redeamed the horrid ones i got today, genuinly best taking of this dungeon i've seen all season

winged sun
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i cant even know what ur playing

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where is rogue

warm vortex
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Rogues are sneaky

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That's the whole point

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You can't even see me there

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Real talk tho hunter

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Just posted it here cause i was happy

hollow talon
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Mine might have been without blindside dunno if that sims much higher in dslice

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Don't have iron wire in either hybrid or bleed for me

topaz horizon
warped lily
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what about the ring from 10.0.5 its possible to skip that and just get it?

topaz horizon
warm vortex
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Also had the most terrifying thing as we wiped last boss

topaz horizon
warm vortex
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Mum comes in and says
ā€œHey internets gonna be down in a few minutes, I don’t know when but it will beā€

fallow canopy
spice spire
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Real

shell crater
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Whatup fellow stabbers

twilit flint
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I see lots of people using KB in keys but when I sim it its choosing the bleed build without KB?

sand sigil
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i just wanna double triple check cuz u never know. this says "fan of knives if bleeds already on all targets". thats what i was doing spending 80 gcds bleeding up a pull like first pull workshop. i then asked abt it, and was told u only need to bleed 5-6 basically for ur scent of blood and energy gains, and then u send. but according to this its slightly conflicting.

am i pressing like garrote garrote rupture (sbs sends) rupture fok ct send cds for like first pull meadery/workshop/etc?

or am i pressing 15 gcds garrote rupturing every single mob and then cding?

spice surge
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Building with stealth garrote if targets dont have garrote is good

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Its moreso that rupture doesnt do that much damage so you only really want 5-6 out

sand sigil
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ok so after i have 5 mobs ruptured, i continue to garrote garrote in ic, and then spend on env's on the caustic spatter target w my cds. and THEN once all 18 mobs have garrote, and 5 mobs have rupture, THEN i just fok

spice surge
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You'd send cds still, but you'd just build with garrotes instead of fok

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Obviously dont need to dot stuff thats not prio targets if they die early anyway from cleave but workshop is pretty even in terms of mob health

somber sparrow
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house of cards trinket on lorrgs is labeled as a turtle box lol

sonic schooner
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🐢 šŸ“®

warm vortex
somber sparrow
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23002 is turtle box, and 230027 is house of cards

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but i don't know who the right person is to fix it, just thought i'd share

main blaze
fleet pagoda
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now we just need a log review where somebody is summoning Speedy in their CDs

strange onyx
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Caustic Spatter and FoK interact with each other right? Also do we just send Junkmaestro on CD?

red schooner
strange onyx
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Aight, so dont macro it with DM

fallow canopy
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anyone has had the bug where you envenom on 7 with DN, the target moves as you do the envenom you do the damage but DN procs again?

static geyser
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whats the best to drop for iron wire? ma?

warm vortex
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Sim

nimble vector
spice spire
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Bleed it’s MA, hybrid likely going to be SB; however, it depends on how you’re trying to play the key as well idk man vibe it

gritty laurel
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at this point, if i know the group can handle interrupts, i just run bleed without iron wire, but if i think i'm gonna have to carry the key i play hybrid

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i can't bring myself to unspec SBS

tawny pagoda
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
robust axle
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In how high keys would you convert from bleed build to hybrid?

warm vortex
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Change talents

hollow talon
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Zone out first though

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Can't change in dungeon

quaint spindle
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has anyone managed to kill ?? boss yet?

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as assa

tawny pagoda
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anyone know any script/mod for plater highlighting target with deathstalker mark please?

astral plover
quaint spindle
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the ?? boss

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delve

astral plover
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i have

quaint spindle
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you run the delve buid or raid build

astral plover
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m+

quaint spindle
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word

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was just wondering/ bout to start now

uneven plume
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No wonder the mobs after first boss in rookery 15 were one shotting shit, they were buffed by an extra 10%

uneven plume
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We didn’t thankfully and timed but jesus

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80% hp through evasion/feint

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Is kinda wild

wary light
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Sorry if this has been asked 50 times or posted a ton, what are the conditions of playing bleed vs poison in m+? Trying to gauge when I'd run either if I start doing sin keys this season instead of just spamming sub in everything

cloud basin
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Yall see the bug fix they just put put saying that Fortified was causing non boss adds to deal more damage than intended lol?

balmy condor
warm vortex
wary light
balmy condor
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That’s typically where people will try and swap but you can run it Yeah

nova kelp
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lol 12-14 is crazy high if you consider the general population of the game

south prawn
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!macros

red schooner
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I still need to give bleed build a proper try one day.

balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

wary light
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Also that range is where I'll likely plateau 🤣

royal lantern
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bro resilient keys are so good

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can fuck up the first pull mechagon 20x

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just reset and go again

nova kelp
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yeah resilient keys are giga flex

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love it so much

balmy condor
frosty cedar
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how do we get this automatic sipping of thistle tea to be removed this is truly degenerate why did they add this

wary light
balmy condor
spice spire
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That’s how you remove it

balmy condor
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I mean you should go below

frosty cedar
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im very thankful for the removal of buttons like snd but I kinda like pressing tea

spice spire
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You should. But if you want to not. Don’t but auto tea legit doesn’t matter

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You macro and chuckle

oak tangle
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!up

manic sphinx
drifting cloud
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gonna be hard to stream with 0.1 upload

livid marlin
vocal basalt
turbid crest
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what u guys think about that

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cinderbrew 13

copper pine
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Does someone have good plater settings for m+ to see on which mobs i have my dots ? Im to dumb to do it by myself .. šŸ˜„

drifting cloud
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
copper pine
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oh ty

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šŸ˜„

rain coral
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has anyone a cool rogue individual weakaura setting for abilities ? šŸ™‚ i dont like the packs out there and iam not so comfortable with creating a own one

manic sphinx
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u want abilities, but not a pack that has the abilities, but dont want to create your own? šŸ¤”

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prolly search wago for what specifically you want?

warm vortex
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Fuck

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Just depleted a 12 FG

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killed final boss w time but was at 99% on ads

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Tank missed 1 thing

spice spire
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Running now

warm vortex
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Btw look at this

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Juicy bomb placement

coral ibex
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must be nice

livid marlin
coral ibex
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i get configurations that required advanced trigonometry to solve efficiently

spice spire
rain coral
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no i want a own made pack from someone😁

spice spire
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5k gains BearLETSFUCKINGGOOOO

copper pine
spice spire
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It does

spice spire
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It’s off to the right

coral ibex
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im sure you can find something you like in there

timid bramble
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Guys ... Do I go all in with my Sin Rogue as 2nd main alt or My Ele shaman.

Thought discuss.

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Both have 4 set

manic sphinx
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what's ur main and 1st alt?

spice spire
livid marlin
spice spire
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There’s nothing that we should say that effects your opinion of those toons unless it’s like neck and neck

timid bramble
timid bramble
spice spire
copper pine
spice spire
manic sphinx
coral ibex
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why do you need it

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in multiple places

copper mural
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
copper pine
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Yes not in that place but when i swap target to dot something else to see it which mob hast caustic on it

coral ibex
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im 100% positive whispyr's plater changes the hp color for the caustic marked target

copper pine
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
coral ibex
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i yoinked that mod from his plater and put it into mine

manic sphinx
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also why check caustic, wouldn't you rather want deathstalkers mark?

coral ibex
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you want to be cleaving off the caustic mark

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they should be the same target tbh

manic sphinx
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yea but u want caustic on ur mark?

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not the other way around

coral ibex
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i stole this mod from whispyr's plater profile

manic sphinx
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anwyay i added deathstalker's mark as a buff special to my plater

coral ibex
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so you should be able to find it too

plain wind
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the whispyr plater shows caustic as green, deathstalker as purple, and when they are both on same target its like a brown i think

manic sphinx
coral ibex
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i track ruptures via icons on the hp bars

manic sphinx
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ya, i do too - but i need to make em bigger or more noticable for myself

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how do u copy mods?

coral ibex
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export/import

manic sphinx
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aha

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and u have to load that specific profile and then export?

coral ibex
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yes

manic sphinx
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ok ty ty

rain coral
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i know these packs all, but i thougt maybe someone has a customized one which is cooler

spice spire
turbid sandal
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This bleed build everyone is talking about - is that the one on Wowhed without KB?

manic sphinx
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yes

manic sphinx
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now i can figure out if i want to use it and/or configure it

coral ibex
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i remove the deathmark glow personally

manic sphinx
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deathmark + caustic seems to be blue. caustic green

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jsut deathmark = purple

tawdry mica
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help i was checking my stuff and idk what i clicked but i made the window super big

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oh Scale i see it now sorry

tawdry mica
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😭 cheers

warm vortex
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For me rookery might be like the hardest key this season if i'm going deplete wise

fleet pagoda
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those giga succ boys in front of the second boss is the most dastardly thing i've seen in a dungeon

manic sphinx
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oh it's here, lmao

warm vortex
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Anyone else feel like it's shit

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Or am i just getting bad pugs

manic sphinx
coral ibex
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rookery has a lot of casters

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cursed with pugs

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iron wire moment fr

manic sphinx
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ya, take ironwire for sure there

warm vortex
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I mean the assa we had took iron wire

coral ibex
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unfortunately ven is a TRAITOR

warm vortex
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But casted feint

manic sphinx
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oh

warm vortex
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2 times

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Over the entire dungeon

warm vortex
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Not my fault the season is a "fuck melee" season

coral ibex
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i heard it actually was your fault

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john blizzard whispered me last night

haughty flicker
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pretty sure you told john to do it so you could justify going to bm

coral ibex
warm vortex
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Bro fuck john blizzard and his antics

coral ibex
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"i'm going BM send the update"

warm vortex
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That mainly involve very bad things to women

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Also idk if i said

livid marlin
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Smashed gally, feel like im doing well for first week šŸ™‚

warm vortex
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But finished a floodgate and then realised we had 99%

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So we didn't time

spice spire
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Good job 🫔

warm vortex
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Otherwise i would have 5/8 12s done

spice spire
livid marlin
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xD

warm vortex
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Imma fuck John Blizzard in the ass

spice spire
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Don’t

coral ibex
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i'm not an io haver this season

spice spire
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That’s this channel

warm vortex
livid marlin
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Feels rude af , so sorry any1

subtle tundra
warm vortex
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I talk way to much

coral ibex
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i just do my vault

livid marlin
warm vortex
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Like you could block me to ignore clutter and i wouldn't blame you

deep gyro
spice spire
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Most conversations generally don’t matter and are just for friends

subtle tundra
coral ibex
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nothing i say matters

spice spire
warm vortex
spice spire
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Previously you’d say some filter words

livid marlin
spice spire
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I mean he’s right

subtle tundra
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and ill do it again

warm vortex
subtle tundra
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a goat doesnt hold back

livid marlin
spice spire
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God ur so real for that varas

warm vortex
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Please ignore varas Jayda

spice spire
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Wanna kiss or

warm vortex
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He is the local asshole

subtle tundra
livid marlin
warm vortex
coral ibex
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is he even playing rogue this season

subtle tundra
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its friday and i can drink

coral ibex
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i heard varas is also a traitor

warm vortex
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Is he even playing WOW this season

subtle tundra
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LETSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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alcohol and terraria kinda day

spice spire
livid marlin
subtle tundra
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you didnt even update yo build to new stuff

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wtf

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where's yo vicious venoms

gusty mirage
livid marlin
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One step at a time now xD

warm vortex
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Jesus christ

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I just got told

subtle tundra
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holy moly the opener is good!

gusty mirage
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I recommend against complimenting Varas

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he's not used to people being nice to him

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he thrives with abuse

spice spire
livid marlin
gusty mirage
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case in point, @subtle tundra fuck you

spice spire
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That’s the change

subtle tundra
spice spire
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Varas is a good lad

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Just takes some getting used to

gusty mirage
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you don't even know varas like I do

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we play poe together

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our bond is forged in self hatred

runic hinge
gusty mirage
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@spice spire where's your rsvp you fuck

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stop log reviewing and start RSVPing

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or I'mma r s v p on you

warm vortex
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Bro i still can't fucking get over

spice spire
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It’s gonna be Saturday night

hallow imp
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Can assa work with outlaw stars??

warm vortex
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The fact thati posted damage logs from a key
and some dude just said he was shocked it was time due to damage

spice spire
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Wait Sunday

warm vortex
warm vortex
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Like seriosuly

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I feel like i've just been shot

spice spire
livid marlin
gusty mirage
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lmao

spice spire
gusty mirage
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ask them if they know what a sit rat is, when they respond with "what's a sit rat?" hit them with "sit you fucking rat"

subtle tundra
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@livid marlin you played better in this log than a lot have after multiple log reviews... nah man dont send any more logs idk what to flame

spice spire
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Excited to kiss you on the altar xoxo

warm vortex
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They apparently didn't mean anything bad

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But like

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It's so funny haha

subtle tundra
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Y-YOUR 2ND POT WASNT USED WITH CDS.

livid marlin
gusty mirage
subtle tundra
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BAD

livid marlin
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i just use them like that

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i aint 2 binding for normal and with pot

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xD

subtle tundra
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random ass pot

livid marlin
subtle tundra
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now thats a new one

gusty mirage
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oh just bind it with deathmark

subtle tundra
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pot macro with shiv

gusty mirage
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err macro it with deathmark

livid marlin
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wowhead

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is doing me dirty

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wrong gems, wrong macro

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xD

fleet pagoda
gusty mirage
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yeah that's because whispyr is special

subtle tundra
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damn your trinkets suck

spice spire
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Well gems change over time

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There’s no set gems at any moment

spice spire
livid marlin
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i mean i only been playing for not even a week xD

subtle tundra
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@livid marlin did you use the free hc crafting crest on anything? you have 2 645 crafted

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you should have a free one

livid marlin
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i did dagger then recrafted higher

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šŸ™‚

subtle tundra
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nothing to flame you about

#

its hc crest

#

useless

#

also you didnt craft an int weapon

#

like some have

livid marlin
#

i mean now thats crazy

#

i double check, i learnt from buying pvp tier twice last season ..

subtle tundra
#

i also did that once

gusty mirage
#

why are you calling us out like that

#

I never got my free hc crafting crest

#

fuck you varas

subtle tundra
#

i have it and never used it

livid marlin
gusty mirage
#

ok?

livid marlin
#

but some are veteran sooooo

spice spire
#

I used it on bracers

gusty mirage
#

I've also gone outside and touched grass

#

fuckin bozo

spice spire
#

Call me grass?

subtle tundra
gusty mirage
#

I still love you varas

subtle tundra
#

i need to go out

gusty mirage
#

my romanian habibi

subtle tundra
#

i want to buy things to start painting

gusty mirage
#

come to my wedding, you can make out with @spice spire at midnight

subtle tundra
#

olalala

spice spire
gusty mirage
#

just fly halfway across the globe

#

for a 3 hour event

#

whats the big deal

subtle tundra
#

those 3 hours with you two will feel like an eternity

#

ā¤ļø

golden loom
#

Spinning crane drink

subtle tundra
#

windwanking

gusty mirage
#

jorkin

coral ibex
#

more of a jelqer myself

gusty mirage
balmy condor
#

do not rope me into this

static glacier
#

get slandered

manic sphinx
#

lol

balmy condor
#

step in a puddle then blame me you got wet

manic sphinx
#

@balmy condor been having a look at your colour debuffs mod for plater. is it customisable? Like I'd like to consider adding rupture and garrote (maybe) and removing some of the other stuff

livid marlin
spice spire
livid marlin
#

what u got to say for the gems?

balmy condor
#

what's wrong with the gems

spice spire
#

Stats aren’t static

#

They change as your gear changes

balmy condor
#

mast/crit good

coral ibex
#

bro what the fuck is a "loo-ahh"

livid marlin
spice spire
#

It’s not a permanent thing on what’s best for you

livid marlin
#

xD

#

I lost this one whispyr

#

ill be back xD

spice spire
#

Rn my sim wants crit haste

#

Gems

#

That ain’t the norm

balmy condor
#

my sim wants vers haste

#

prolly cause I swapped a ring from mast/vers to mast/crit

#

idk

#

I just work here

spice spire
#

Stats aren’t real they can’t hurt me

spice spire
#

Except I need a fuck ton of mastery for signet

coral ibex
#

wish i had signet

#

i have infinity mastery already

devout fiber
#

Hey guys whats the talent code for M+?

#

Whats the best one currently, i think it's Bleed, right?

coral ibex
#

oh yea lemme just rip that one out of my brain

#

the exact talent import code

devout fiber
coral ibex
#

!guide

devout fiber
#

Wowhead is blocked where I am currently

livid marlin
devout fiber
spice spire
#

Ahh

marble hemlock
#

it does, yes

livid marlin
brittle shuttle
#

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZGmx2MAAAAAAMLD2mBAAAAAg2WmZGMzgZmZZ2GzMYmZmZwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

marble hemlock
#

few other ME countries do too iirc

brittle shuttle
#

This what most use in big keys

devout fiber
#

Yeah I was about to say, is it not this?

warm vortex
#

Btw

brittle shuttle
#

That looks like raid, no caustic spatter in that

warm vortex
#

@livid marlin

brittle shuttle
#

thats full ST

warm vortex
#

What do you think about assa atm

#

Cuase i assume your new to it or nah

livid marlin
#

i love it

devout fiber
#

me?

soft shale
#

not bad only does 400k less dps than a highroll hunter

livid marlin
#

love spimming and stabbing

#

spinning*

devout fiber
livid marlin
brittle shuttle
livid marlin
#

Depends what build your after, hybrid? bleeds etc

spice spire
#

Let me pull the bleed build

#

Which is what Janna is looking for

livid marlin
#

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAottZmBzMGzMzysMYMmZmZmZmZYzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA

#

thats the bleed build

subtle tundra
devout fiber
#

Im only asking about the bleed build because I think it's been buffed, right? Heard some chatter that it's now BiS build for M+

livid marlin
spice spire
#

But now bleed takes blindside

#

Which helps its st a bit

#

ESP if you’re getting lucky

devout fiber
#

Right so it's still up to debate on which to go for

subtle tundra
#

one is burstier and has more prio damage

#

the other has execute

balmy condor
#

hybrid doesn't have notably higher prio damage

runic hinge
#

link post from 5 am

devout fiber
#

Ok gotchya, thanks guys

#

Usually we have the builds in the pinned

#

apologies i had to ask here

livid marlin
#

So is my m+ also wrong?

#

I have the bleed build, shall I change anything, them two talents, or no for m+

balmy condor
#

that's the bleed build

#

looks fine

livid marlin
midnight mist
#

im allowed to ambush with a blindside proc right, its not bugged like on outlaw where its better to consume it with sinister strike

little tulip
#

it'll replace mutilate button with ambush

balmy condor
#

correct

#

you physically cannot mutilate with a blindside proc

midnight mist
#

ok thats not what im sayign

golden loom
#

Mutilate = meow

devout fiber
#

Is there an order of getting Tier-Set pieces, if u already have similar ilvl for everything

livid marlin
#

I also have another question, if anyone doesn't mind answering, but I dno what build to use for each boss, would anyone be able to guide, some I do single, or mythic+ build, not sure what bosses to cleave on?

midnight mist
#

I know mutilate get replaced but, for outlaw, audacity replace ss with a better ambush than normal ambush, so if you consume auda with ambush instead of ss you are trolling

balmy condor
devout fiber
little tulip
devout fiber
midnight mist
#

thanks

#

i can press my ambush bind then

#

goated + 1 bind

balmy condor
copper pine
#

CT in ST or not ?

balmy condor
#

actually fuck that

copper pine
balmy condor
#

if you have amp you don't

#

if you don't have amp you do

spice spire
#

CT is only in ST without amp

balmy condor
#

not gonna pull teeth

devout fiber
balmy condor
devout fiber
#

woops

balmy condor
#

mama mia man

little tulip
#

no friggen way

midnight mist
#

what did you say

little tulip
#

aaaa explodes

#

but yes, i have ambush on a button and sinister strike on another and audacity proc turns both into ambush

copper pine
balmy condor
#

amp poison

little tulip
#

so a macro for sinister strike with that proc is stonks lmao

copper pine
spice spire
#

Ty king

#

On break and getting questioned at every angle insanecat

tender cedar
balmy condor
#

if your m+ build doesn't take amp poison then yes

solar wyvern
#

Been playing around with bleed build a bit in 14/15s

#

The ST is like identical to lethalityx2 or normal hybrid with subt

balmy condor
#

yes

#

it's 1.2% behind hybrid

solar wyvern
#

Feels like theres no reason not to play it xd

balmy condor
#

that's what I been sayin

solar wyvern
#

Btw to take IW u drop 2 shivs yeah?

spice spire
#

Gabagool spec nothing matters crab guild when

balmy condor
#

arterial shivs are kinda important

solar wyvern
#

Yeah true

#

If u dropped Doon blade and spike whats your extra point used for?

balmy condor
#

kb

solar wyvern
#

Oh shit you can fit kb?

#

Okay interesting

spice spire
#

By dropping two yeah

balmy condor
#

doomblade is in the second gate

#

so that goes to iron wire

#

and bone spike is in the third gate

#

so you just grab kb

solar wyvern
violet jackal
#

Whispyr I just want to let you know that i read your pinned messages 3 times a week coolpanda

balmy condor
#

rookie numbers

#

ty king

spice spire
#

Whispyr I just want to let you know that i read your pinned messages 0 times a week

solar wyvern
#

It says blindside 2target you use mut, but i assume ctw is still consumed in all target counts

balmy condor
#

!fok

prisma monolithBOT
#

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

solar wyvern
#

Ah new command pog

spice spire
#

So many new commands

balmy condor
#

1 new command

#

the rest just got updated

spice spire
#

!chainpull

prisma monolithBOT
#

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
  • Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
  • Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
spice spire
#

Is technically returning

#

But new

balmy condor
#

that's not new

spice spire
#

It didn’t exist for a bit

balmy condor
#

it has existed all expansion

#

in dragonflight the command existed as !restealth

spice spire
#

What

#

Oh

balmy condor
#

in tww it was renamed to !chainpull

#

it's been around

spice spire
#

Maybe that was the issue previously

golden loom
#

Whispyr, I am using your season 1 plater, is it hard to import the important mob markings without fucking up everything else ( i mightve made changes to fonts and such etc etc)

spice spire
#

I remember being unable to locate it one day when someone was asking

midnight mist
#

1+1

#

quick maths whatever

#

im not foking

spice spire
#

Good news

midnight mist
#

fuck this

spice spire
#

You play outlaw so you never are foking

balmy condor
midnight mist
#

been an assa main

#

since cata

spice spire
#

Damn

#

Hate that for me

little tulip
#

bfa armor set lmao

solar wyvern
#

An assa main wearing insane sub gear sheesh what can't this guy do

golden loom
little tulip
#

i just saw that on mad whats his name's channel

#

wait maybe i dunno

severe sparrow
#

plater exporting gives me a headache

midnight mist
runic hinge
midnight mist
#

lies

solar wyvern
soft niche
#

is anyone already done with m+ ? this season seems too boring to push,

midnight mist
#

litteraly only changed one ring

#

holy

#

pog

severe sparrow
#

i dunno im having more fun this season than i did last season for some reason šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

violet jackal
severe sparrow
#

prob cuz i stepped down to 2 raid nights instead of 4 kekw

little tulip
#

ye like 3 darkest night procs on a fresh pack is pretty faceit 10 cal i strat lol
de_scorch dirtysecret defragen1 status

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

cal tactics right there

#

kids these days dont even know about cal...

spice spire
#

I have fun everyday in m+

#

It’s the homies

balmy condor
#

that's bold lie

little tulip
#

i know that guy into a grand elucidation

balmy condor
#

you do keys with jez every season

#

there's no way you have fun on those days

soft niche
spice spire
#

I like jez a lot

#

And I’ve made her not tank

balmy condor
#

that's arguably worse

spice spire
#

So she’s all but useless and 2k isn’t that bad

#

She’s playing Ret

#

It’s hard to fuck ip

balmy condor
#

that's in-arguably worse

spice spire
#

We just don’t brez her

#

šŸ™‚

astral plover
#

You need a suprising amount of haste with the new raid build

balmy condor
#

based

little tulip
#

hit 2m on sprocket today with kir fatebound but that was for one pull with two 6 buffs, just roll sub and send hits

coral ibex
#

patchwerk 7 minutes

#

what is he cooking

astral plover
#

already have 8k and it wants more

balmy condor
#

does it

#

I'm seeing like

#

a billion gem combos

runic hinge
#

Does that say .1% dps

#

lol

balmy condor
#

that are completely equal

#

this does not scream wanting haste

frank trench
#

Man I am reading the rotation and it feels like assassination is hardest to play :0

spice spire
#

It is not

runic hinge
#

Just bleed stuff then envenom

coral ibex
#

"wants more" brother the best ur getting there is +2893 dps and thats close to margin of error

little tulip
#

good ui helps a lot

runic hinge
#

It’s definitely within margin

#

We’re doing 2 million dps

coral ibex
#

no, the sim says margin is 1050 dps

fallow canopy
#

Time to spend 14k regemming for margin of error poggers

frank trench
#

Am I supposed to keep rupture up on all mobs?

balmy condor
#

it's within margin to like 8 other combinations

#

but it's not in margin of his equipped

clear sleet
#

why does envenom sometimes do MASSIVE amounts of damage and other times LOW amounts of damage?

(when am i supposed to cast envenom 😭 )

coral ibex
#

amplifying poison

#

crit

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

buffs

little tulip
#

plater tracks bleeds but you also want more precision for your current target, tracking amp poison is troll, if you're out of teas constantly it's other dps making ur life hard or it's theatre of pain

balmy condor
#

envenom is your filler though

clear sleet
balmy condor
#

so you should be casting it pretty much all the time

coral ibex
#

you're "supposed" to press envenom with 5+ cp and 7cp with DN

balmy condor
#

yeah that sounds reasonable

manic sphinx
balmy condor
#

across all of these pulls on tuesday with the damage amp on vexie and stuff

#

the spread is literally like 400k to 25mil

frank trench
#

Should garotte be on one mob or ad many mobs as I can put it on?

manic sphinx
#

lol 25m

#

fun

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

vexie amp go brrr

frank trench
#

Like can I tie it to rupture? Like shadow strike and backstab

balmy condor
#

what

#

you want 5 ruptures for scent of blood in m+, at minimum enough for your energy sustain

#

don't bother spreading normal garrotes

#

improved garrotes go on everything

#

maintain CT, maintain caustic on your main target

#

press cooldowns, spam envenom

#

rinse repeat for the entire key

frank trench
#

That doesn’t sound too bad put that way

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

your opener is always ambush first for the mark, spread bleeds (gar/rup/tempest), mutilate your target, cooldowns, envenom spam

#

(it's the same thing as the priority KEKW)

manic sphinx
#

i only got 2 x 12s. cant get into any others 😦

digital spindle
#

if you have darkest night and ambus won't give you instant mark on the next pull, do you prioritize an 7 CP envenom over bleeds?

balmy condor
#

no

faint quartz
#

Hello guys, got a few questions regarding the Bleed build on Wowhead:
-If a target already has Crimson Tempest applied, is there any benefit of casting it again?
-If using Internal Bleeding, should ai only be using Envenom during Deathmark? Not using Kingsbane or Caustic Spatter.
-Should I use Shiv before or after Deathmark with this build?

balmy condor
#

dn envenoms take prio over single target rupture if it's up, but during carnage you get 3 ruptures so the combo points are better spent on that

balmy condor
#

only time you would prio the darkest night envenom would be if you're going to lose the buff and then lose the mark

#

cause obviously losing your entire hero talent sucks

digital spindle
#

it sure does

#

i've probably been incorreclty still ambushing whhich eventually gives you the mark whhen DN falls off

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

man looking at vexie logs

#

that is

#

an insane envenom

fallow canopy
#

Just hit for 32m lul

balmy condor
#

full stacked eye of kezan, hero jastor diamond

#

bro is winning

fallow canopy
#

I think my highest has been like 28m

faint quartz
#

When a pull is started and you are not in stealth and can’t use indiscriminate carnage, to spread the bleeds target by target how many CP should you cast Rupture

fleet pagoda
#

somebody in here the other night said they had one in the 40mil's

onyx linden
#

Is there anything else in the game right now that hits as hard as a fully amped up envenom?

little tulip
#

i think i was running internal bleeding this whole time, wasn't sure if caustic was the play

little tulip
#

raid st

#

no caustic in m+ lmao

balmy condor
#

oh

little tulip
#

imagine lol

balmy condor
#

yeah this guy is talking about m+

little tulip
#

oh oh okay

gusty mirage
balmy condor
#

in raids you run caustic every fight except sprocketmonger

#

including carnage

gusty mirage
#

What kinda win is that

hidden bay
little tulip
#

ye that tracks, barrels gotta go lmao

balmy condor
#

that's rik

#

carnage is the dinosaur monke

severe sparrow
#

ngl in heroic i just leave caustic on for sprocket too cuz if i ever remembered to swap off it, i probably wouldnt remember to swap back to either dogeKek

haughty flicker
#

i want a dinosaur monke

earnest heron
#

how are you supposed to handle prio targets in raid like the barrels on rik reverb, just run over, apply bleeds and envenom?

#

feels kinda bad

little tulip
hidden bay
#

you play assa, you hit the boss disappointment

balmy condor
#

like unironically

little tulip
#

wen u simian sphere the gorilla

balmy condor
#

either change specs to sub

#

or you don't

coral ibex
#

the prio target is the boss bruv

earnest heron
#

ok cool thats the answer i wanted

balmy condor
#

on rik you could technically play CT if your raid leader is a cockhead dense fucker

earnest heron
#

i'll be handing this in to my RL like a doctors note

balmy condor
#

but you lose a good amount of boss damage and the barrel spawns have to be obscenely good

coral ibex
#

i did that for approx 3 pulls before i almost vomited and just swapped back to the normal build

balmy condor
#

if you rng into bad barrels you just spent 2 talent points on nothing

hidden bay
faint quartz
#

On wowhead you mention that internal bleeding is acceptable if caustic spatter is too hard to track. My brain is smooth as a bowling ball

balmy condor
little tulip
#

i hate saying this for 10th time today but one armed bandit is an unoptimized mess on fire lol

haughty flicker
#

i think a bowling ball could probably figure out how to use spatter

balmy condor
#

running internal bleeding is a fast track to losing 10% of your damage for free

iron vapor
#

I feel like the bot needs a specific answer to Rik Reverb barrels. I've been here for like 2 days and already seen it asked 5 separate times.

fallow canopy
coral ibex
little tulip
#

gen pop of wow hasn't caught up but complaints are gonna roll in as time goes on lmao

balmy condor
severe sparrow
#

anytime there's a boss with "prio adds" people come in here cuz their raid leaders get mad that they arent swapping, if the RL doesnt know how sin be, i think

iron vapor
haughty flicker
#

hit boss even if we wipe 30 times to barrel damage pepe_chad not my problem pepe_chad

winged sun
#

wickedsteer floodgate sin op op

#

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

little tulip
#

idk also sprocket isn't great assassin fight ?_? we run out of teas and just hover dm/kb windows til he dies

winged sun
#

too much dmg too much power wickedsteer

gusty mirage
earnest heron
#

sprocket is prolly my best fight

coral ibex
#

it shouldn't take more than a few pulls of hard swapping for your RL to realize that wasn't the issue

severe sparrow
#

we always run out of teas

coral ibex
#

i will comfortably put money on any rik situation that the ranged are griefing

severe sparrow
#

ranged always grief

little tulip
haughty flicker
#

expecting a ranged player to be ethical is a lesson in futility

#

gotta do what you can do to succeed

iron vapor
gusty mirage
runic hinge
haughty flicker
gusty mirage
iron vapor
#

Unless your RL is utterly stupid they'll realise that you're better off in your little DPS tunnel.

winged sun
#

!

fallow canopy
coral ibex
#

not a hard mech

gusty mirage
little tulip
#

you can't shadowstep queen anseurek's giant spider rear is in the way

fallow canopy
#

Everytime a wipe is called cloak and yeet the other group like a pin ball

little tulip
#

a sigh

coral stump
#

hey question if my bars dont automatically make mutilate ambush how would i write a macro that casts ambush if available mutilate if not ALOO

coral ibex
#

they do

#

they do that

#

that happens

haughty flicker
coral ibex
#

blindside replaces mutliate

gusty mirage
#

These bosses look like they’ll be rough as fuck for non top 100 guilds because they seem to require very specific comps

fallow canopy
gusty mirage
#

So might as well have fun with it

coral stump
#

wait

#

hold on

#

let me read

balmy condor
#

it replaces it baseline

#

in the game

coral stump
#

like

coral stump
#

my mutilate cast

severe oyster
balmy condor
#

you are physically unable to cast a mutilate with a blindside proc

coral stump
#

is actually an ambush

little tulip
#

oh for sure

coral stump
#

what abt in stealth tho

coral ibex
#

just put ambush on the same bind on your stealth bar

little tulip
#

haven't done that in 2 weeks but ur mentioning it haha

earnest heron
#

just put ambush where your mutilate is on the stealth bar

balmy condor
#

[stance:0] mutilate
[stance:1] ambush

coral stump
#

i dont get a stealth bar

severe sparrow
#

you know what's funny is i still have ambush and mut on separate bindings because of back in the day and i just never replaced the old one i dont need anymore

coral stump
#

its

#

cringe ngl

coral stump
coral ibex
balmy condor
coral ibex
#

stance deez

wild star
#

guys i can change something here?

runic hinge
winged sun
#

no one asked

severe sparrow
#

i dont have enough brain wrinkles to have a stealth bar

runic hinge
#

No one asked for your details either bozo

coral stump
#

ok just so im sure

#

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] mutilate
/cast [stance:1] ambush

winged sun
#

ur mad that ur not an m+ guy bozo

coral stump
#

this is it

#

if i were to do it

#

because bartender is ass

balmy condor
#

that should work I guess yeah

little tulip
#

no rupture targets

winged sun
little tulip
winged sun
#

right zac

balmy condor
#

there's probably cleaner ways to do it

winged sun
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?

balmy condor
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like uh lemme think

severe sparrow
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how does bartender not replace it though

coral stump
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i mean if it works it works

coral stump
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it just doesnt

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i dont get a stealth bar either

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bc fuck me

earnest heron
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are you using bar 1

balmy condor
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/cast [stance:1/2] Ambush; Mutilate

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maybe might be a cleaner solution

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idk

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should all work the same

coral stump
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1,4,5,bonus

gusty mirage
severe sparrow
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i mean i dont have a stealth bar either in elv cuz i turned that off

haughty flicker
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i feel like the simplest solution might just be deleting bartender

severe sparrow
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on purpose

haughty flicker
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lmao

gusty mirage
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Every syllable doesn’t require you to press enter champ

midnight mist
coral stump
dapper cradle
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Get thrown under the bus bozo