assassination

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/H4ePiaT.jpeg

for no fucking reason

[runic hinge]

Yeah the profile bar is bugging me

Why can’t I hide it

[marble hemlock]

just empty space and its not separated from the left server sidebar either (where the icons are even smaller now for no reason)

[real pike]

yeah no I get that, I'm just saying it feels bad being energy starved for for instance the second half of the KB window

[marble hemlock]

like this is just such shoddy work that goes against any kind of UI guidelines or "best practices"

[west crown]

You can probably return it to what it was with the scaling but I have no idea what it was before

[royal lantern]

why does my profile bar take up almost 25% of the sidebar

[marble hemlock]

and you just know someone worked on this for months while getting paid 60k+ a year

[royal lantern]

like, jesus fucking christ

[real pike]

also I'm on rik reverb right now and the intermission throws everything out of sync and leaves me with 0 tea charges for KB due to autoprocs

[west crown]

can return it to compact and it fixes that

[hollow river]

compact makes everything small/tight but the top bar is still massive

[marble hemlock]

yep

[west crown]

that sounds like a skill issue not a tea problem

[marble hemlock]

meanwhile the bottom is so cramped

with a tiny "xyz is typing" text

[real pike]

then I would need to pool

[marble hemlock]

where you can barely read the name

[real pike]

which we're apparently not supposed to do

soooooo

[subtle tundra]

yea fucking make that bigger i swear

also this looks so out of place idk

[west crown]

you don't nonstop pool like we used to, making sure you aren't at 0 energy with cooldowns coming up is kind of common sense. as long as you dont hit 300 it wont be an issue

[marble hemlock]

also

||why is this a different color now||

WHY IS THIS FUCKING

LIGHT GREY

[west crown]

ew

[thorn thorn]

Ew wtf

[cerulean nest]

anyone have FPS tips for lockenstock? i have a nice PC and usual performance settings but my shit gets rocked on this fight for some reason

[spice spire]

He also just like me

[west crown]

graphic downs, necessary spell animations

[cerulean nest]

I already have all that

[west crown]

get a better pc

[cerulean nest]

I have a good one lol

[west crown]

if you don't have the new 6070 it isn't good enough

[cerulean nest]

true

[spice spire]

https://x.com/luckyone961/status/1901392733790494908?s=46&t=ZKT3DRTLpcg0awIM35ZLig

Luckyone (@Luckyone961) on X

Performance issues in raids (Part 2)

Blizzard has added AddOn CPU profiling into the game and it is enabled by default. However, it literally reduces your FPS by up to 20-25 (For more in-depth info, it eats around 3ms per frame in a raid size of 20-30 people).

To turn it off

X · Mar 16, 2025, 9:58 PM

?

[cerulean nest]

yep did that

[spice spire]

Idk then

[hearty reef]

VV sucks so much

[hollow river]

isn't there an addon that removes this?

[real pike]

my brother with VV I could start KB window with 300 energy and be starved before the end

so I need to pool to preserve thistle tea stacks

which is fine

I'm just working it out

[waxen oyster]

idk how you starve in opener

[real pike]

not opener

[royal lantern]

maybe IRL starving cus they didnt eat for 17hours?

[waxen oyster]

If kb is coming back you just lighten your button presses

for a bit

[real pike]

I wish, I am fat

[waxen oyster]

3 cans of white monster

we good

[real pike]

I've just said that I could start with 300 energy and still run out

with no tea charge

which happens with stix intermish desync

again not a problem, just working it out

[waxen oyster]

Never seen an issue on stix

alternatively do coke

[west crown]

link the log, we figure it out quicker

[astral plover]

Does caustic do dmg from me or from the add that i have marced?

Marked

[waxen oyster]

its from the target generally

[real pike]

neither did I until the new VV build

[hollow river]

there's a pin about caustic spatter still

[waxen oyster]

i mean i played the build entirety of heroic

it felt the same

[hollow river]

that shows a graphic of it

[real pike]

lol

[waxen oyster]

just a few less mutilates

[real pike]

if you think VV feels exactly the same as without

idk

[waxen oyster]

You press mutilate a few less times

but mut hits much harder now

[heady drum]

HoC macro w/ deathmark or kingsbane

[spice spire]

Dm

[tall saffron]

hmm ring or legs

i wonder when they gna nerf circlet

[waxen oyster]

sim is gonna say legs

[gritty laurel]

they almost certainly won't touch it before the .5 patch, but i wouldn't be surprised to see circlet survive until next season

they made a big deal out of it in multiple interviews

[waxen oyster]

I mean how much stats is circlet rn

[gritty laurel]

about the same as a 700 ilvl ring

[hardy rapids]

Yeah I dont see them nerfing it, if anything they might make it so you can increase the item level

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idm really

its one less slot i need to care about

its basically a super overstatted ring isnt it

[hardy rapids]

with some extra spice

[waxen oyster]

windsinger is like 3k stat, fathomdweller is 2k mast, storm is like 900 of all 4?

[gritty laurel]

yeah, the current best configuration is: more mastery, more all secondary stats, more of your highest secondary stat

[waxen oyster]

or something

Pretty sure its like that for most specs atm

[hearty seal]

how often do our dots tick? once per 2 seconds (with 0% haste) seems to be about correct?

[waxen oyster]

that setup that is

[gritty laurel]

i have to ask, why does the tick rate matter?

[tall saffron]

think im gonna take legs, plus its already 3/6 myth, will save some crests

[waxen oyster]

legs will always be upgrade

ring depends on your other slots

[hearty seal]

no real reason, just wondering

[waxen oyster]

kind of why i hate doing droptimizer as assa

its literally a subpar tool when our stat values fluctuate sm based on what we currently have

[balmy condor]

Yes

It’s 2 / (1 + haste) tick rate

[golden loom]

alright fellas what the fuck are we doing on stix to get cds to line up

he flies away when 2nd kingsbane is coming up and then you have to hold for like 15 seconds for deathmark and then it missalings again

[tall saffron]

i just hold my cds for 10 seconds b4 sending them

[golden loom]

first set?

[tall saffron]

ye

then it lines up

[golden loom]

alright ill try that

ty king

[stable notch]

Can someone help me out with assassin single target dps? I feel like my dps is shit for my gear.... and I dont know what is going wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HT9xAFDr18pgN3RB?fight=25&type=damage-done

Tried to test it on LFR

While in mythics for AOE im fine getting 3.5k overall dps

[fleet pagoda]

well it looks like you opened with mutilate which is gonna set ya back pretty big right out of the gate brother

[haughty flicker]

You play boomkin and use trees on every add set

[real pike]

I don't find you have to hold for DM?

[haughty flicker]

Yw

[real pike]

it's all back after intermish

[tall saffron]

he was talking about stix

[topaz hare]

for 10+ you guys playing bleed?

[real pike]

I'm a moron

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/stix-bunkjunker

[spice spire]

Where’s your deathstalker mark

[golden loom]

idk sending on pull just feels weird and cant be right idk

[versed mica]

Why are my sins suddenly valuing haste way more?
Is it the talent changes? Haste better for VV?

[fleet pagoda]

you never activated Deathstalker's mark, which is the cornerstone of the whole thing

[spice spire]

You never set it up

[stable notch]

Wait what

[balmy condor]

You didn’t ambush from stealth

[spice spire]

Do you have GIGA mastery + seaforium and or signet

[lavish whale]

Im using whispyr WA for assa, and this happens quite often, theres just a blank space in the middle of the WA
and idk how to "fix" it but after a few reloads sometimes it fixes, does anyone know what this problem is?

[tall saffron]

#16 on stix, ez

[balmy condor]

Didn’t have a hero talent

[stable notch]

I used death mark

[spice spire]

You played the fight without a hero talent

[stable notch]

LOL

[spice spire]

Deathstalker mark

[versed mica]

I have giga CRIT and sus energy drink

And house of cards

[stable notch]

I got the hero talent, but because it was out of stealth on the ambush

[balmy condor]

Are you on the newest version? I’ve seen this happening at the start of Dragonflight but it’s been a while

[fleet pagoda]

well you're specced into it, but you must ambush from stealth to apply the mark and begin that loop

[lavish whale]

I think so, 3.2.4

[spice spire]

You did not ever land a single mark that fight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HT9xAFDr18pgN3RB?fight=25&type=auras&source=1

No darkest night buff either

[balmy condor]

I don’t get why it happens on some people

I can’t reproduce it on my side ever

It’s so weird

I’ll look at it

[spice spire]

I got it when I accidentally moved stuff around

[stable notch]

So ambush out stealth on opener to keep the mark going

[spice spire]

And I just redownloaded

[lavish whale]

🙏

[stable notch]

vanish when off cooldown to reset another mark

[lavish whale]

if theres anyway I can assist lmk

[spice spire]

Ambush from stealth to start the mark

It resets from darkest night

It should endlessly loop

[stable notch]

Can someone link me their logs on a raidboss? I wanna see the potential dps for assassin on single target

[fleet pagoda]

you're conflating Deathmark with Deathstalker's Mark. they are separate

[spice spire]

Logs on raidbots

Or sim

[grim jay]

ive fixed something like this

when I switched the envenom tracker

[balmy condor]

Yeah a screenshot of your talents when it happens, export your version of the weakauras

[grim jay]

it was some part of a buff thats getting tracked

[balmy condor]

Just go ahead and dm me

[grim jay]

in that spot

that doesnt hide with the main buff

[stable notch]

so if you miss the ambush opener you already miss a lot of dps right?

[real pike]

25%ish iirc?

[west crown]

DM

[versed mica]

You need to vanish to get another ambush at that point

[hearty seal]

yes, a ton

[spice spire]

You’re not using your hero talent at all.
With new build you can vanish ambush whenever but yes it’s a lot of damage

Darkest night envenoms are big

• the actual just damage from the mark

[balmy condor]

25-28% of your damage yes, you legit just don’t have a hero talent

[stable notch]

Do you have to time anything special for the darkest night envenom?

[real pike]

hey hey, he could be doing CtW

[stable notch]

Or just use like normal and it will just consume

[versed mica]

Gotta do max combo points or close to max with supercharger to make it turn into mark again

[balmy condor]

ctw requires you apply the mark

[balmy condor]

always 7cp envenom when you have darkest night

[stable notch]

So you gotta time it with Weak aura to see when its up

and then pump out a 7cp asap

[balmy condor]

well you don't really have to "time it"

it's every 4th envenom

[versed mica]

It just has to go out before the 30 seconds are up

[balmy condor]

but yeah basically

[versed mica]

Better to do it every 4th envenom obvs

But if you have to step out for a mechanic or something don't freak

[west crown]

3 5cp+ finishers, then that 4th is 7cp envenom, repeat

[versed mica]

Bc you have 30nseconds

[stable notch]

Hmmmm I see

So whole fight you focus on repeating that cycle

while keeping rup/garotte up

[west crown]

and using cds on time

[hardy rapids]

yep

[west crown]

about yeah

[versed mica]

Basically, but keeping bleeds up higher priority yeah

[coral ibex]

5+cp ruptures count for the mark consumption too

you can't just count envenoms

[versed mica]

That's also a good point

[coral ibex]

its 3x5+cp finishers, then a 7cp envenom

[versed mica]

I would just make sure you have a good WA that tracks mark and buff and you're good to go

[red schooner]

dry shiv big envenmo + caustic makes me far too happy

[stable notch]

Any WA that is recommended for that?

[versed mica]

Whispyrs WA is good

[stable notch]

And supercharger is another talent? not really clear about it

[versed mica]

It tracks everything not just those

[sour oasis]

my brothers

how can u keep 2 stacks of envenom

with 8-9% of haste ?

[golden loom]

I have bloodlust hack

[versed mica]

I think only the ST build has supercharger though, m+ build doesn't have it

[stable notch]

Ah yeah

[lavish wing]

so hybrid build is the best for m+, right?

the one thats on wowhead, i assume thats the hybrid one

[versed mica]

It sims better, in practice could be different dungeon by dungeons and depends on what key level you on

Other choice is bleed build which is more AOE and less st than hybrid

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

wellllllllllllllllllllllllll..............................

that's not entirely true

[versed mica]

Oh shit I'ma bout to be schooled

[balmy condor]

I mean bleed is ahead in sims

but it just depends on the character and there's one more optimization for it that isn't in sims yet

which will definitely put it ahead

[versed mica]

Give me those sweet deets

[balmy condor]

I mean there's nothing we do differently

it's just a fix for the sim doin a stupid

[versed mica]

@lavish wing come back I gave you the wrong info apparently LOL

Ah gotchya

Well someone literally told me that hybrid simmed better like yesterday

So I was lied to

[balmy condor]

yeah but they don't know

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[cinder bone]

wait so bleed build should be the standard pug build for m+ now?

[lavish wing]

Too late, already bricked a key

[high jetty]

What’s the sim doing wrong?

[versed mica]

Noooooooo

[lavish wing]

TA, buddy

[balmy condor]

it's envenoming before kingsbane, but it doesn't have kingsbane

[versed mica]

But

How can it do that with no kingsbane

[balmy condor]

cause the logic cycle dictates that it should be going envenom -> deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane

except it doesn't have kingsbane

so obviously it doesn't cast it

but the envenom -> deathmark -> shiv cycle is still there

and there's just straight up no need to envenom if there's no kingsbane

[versed mica]

Ahh

I will be sure to remember not to envenom before kingsbane in bleed build thank u

[lavish wing]

Its not wrong if we do shiv into dm into kb, right?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not correct

but it's not the worst thing you could do

[versed mica]

Are you insane??? Do you want to brick another key goddamnit????

[lavish wing]

Thats a spectrum

[cinder bone]

So bleed build is the goto over hybrid now?

[high jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[balmy condor]

it's about 0.7% I think

[lavish wing]

Enough said, no more shiv

Before dm

[versed mica]

Oh god, swapping to bleed build probably slightly changes stat prio doesn't it

[lavish wing]

Just do stat weight sim

[cinder bone]

Only thing I hate about bleed build is dropping MA for iron wire

[lavish wing]

Im runnin as fast as i can to hide

[versed mica]

I just got my gear all simmed and situated... Omg no...

[versed mica]

Iron wire gives me dopamine

[cinder bone]

Iron wire carries pugs

[lavish wing]

Holup, why do we envenom before the dm

[normal mist]

so KB has envenom buff active

[lavish wing]

Envenom buf?

[golden loom]

to get poison proc chance

[lavish wing]

Aye

[stable notch]

If I try on a dummy with keeping deathmark up

[crisp stream]

Is there a min required haste for raids?

[stable notch]

feels like im still doing something really bad, since its this low

[balmy condor]

no min, no breakpoint no recommended no nothing on any stat

[real pike]

well shit every day I learn there are new depths to my stupidity

[crisp stream]

Okay

[restive falcon]

jpc back? on a dk with yoda rn

[balmy condor]

ye

[strange sleet]

I should not ask this here but, does anyone know how many targets does elemental's chain lighting hit? With the go-to build for m+.

My shaman says it's uncapped but I have a hard time believing that?

[restive falcon]

the legend returns

[lusty kraken]

I just got my kingsbane parried on one armed bandit great mechanic

[balmy condor]

I thought it was 4 total, target + 3

[lavish wing]

Parry The Platypus???

[manic coral]

how do u play rik reverb properly? rupture and caustic spatter off a target that doesnt have deathstalkers mark on it?

[lavish wing]

Im sorry, shouldn't laugh, its tragic

[lavish wing]

U swap to sub

[golden loom]

Stix with a decent amount of melees is deffo interesting!!!

we all pixel stacked when the fire went out and I got 1 shot

[balmy condor]

you either swap to sub or you hit boss and hope the barrels are close enough

[runic hinge]

Jpc has been back in this channel in the past week

[manic coral]

idk man my brain is rotting from playing this shit u just feel so fucking useless

[strange sleet]

Yeah me too. Ty. I will insist on him reading his talents to me.

[runic hinge]

The king has returned

[manic coral]

well thanks for the hopeful advice guys ill keep it in mind ❤️

[lavish wing]

U can barrely reach em

[balmy condor]

yah well, assa worst target swapping in the game

[waxen oyster]

You just spatter onto barrels

[golden loom]

anyways, this tuning was sick im very happy

[waxen oyster]

Top log has 200m done to them.

[coral ibex]

damn thats some good tank work

[manic coral]

yep like 2.2 mill of either the best spawns in rng history or just swapping to a target that doesnt have mark on it i dont understand it

[balmy condor]

yeah

you don't swap

[coral ibex]

i did pretty well and had 95m barrel dam

[balmy condor]

cause you're an assa rogue

you are like the melee fire mage

you hit 1 target and if it cleaves it cleaves

and if it doesn't, it's not your problem

[cloud basin]

Until your raid yells at you cuz you don't swap

[balmy condor]

and then you tell them to eat shit cause they're stupid and don't know how the spec works

[lavish wing]

Amd gquit ofc

[somber sparrow]

sometimes you can get the deathstalker's mark to drop off the boss and apply it to a barrel and when it dies get it applied to another barrel, otherwise if boss still has the marks, definitely not worth swapping as assassination, right

[balmy condor]

ssure

[coral ibex]

so i tried staying out of the jails on mugzee today and the tanks pulled him between the jails and i got 0 spatter cleave

[runic hinge]

Maybe they fixed the los

[cloud basin]

Mine told me if leadership says swap, I swap. Even though I deal more damage cleaving off targets

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zVZwc1jv9TWBGyRh?fight=71&type=damage-done&source=859&target=1003

[balmy condor]

dumbass raid leadership

[waxen oyster]

ok one rupture

[balmy condor]

A TALE AS OLD AS TIME

[runic hinge]

Mine yelled to swap and I ran over did one envenom and ran back

[severe meadow]

Not again

[mighty rapids]

Sub is just clearly better on that fight but its an ez fight so shouldnt rly matter

[coral ibex]

it isn't though

[warm vortex]

Guys

Another night

[cloud basin]

Nah ill probably just play sub on Stix and call it a day lol

[warm vortex]

Another night we don't get past mugzee

[subtle tundra]

bro mugzee is so fucking hard

[oak sparrow]

Assa rogues simc like 2,2m ST?

on 663 ilvl

[balmy condor]

yeah that's reasonable

[runic hinge]

Have I been doing my Dslice sims with all raid buffs?

[lavish wing]

Is there any other way

[hollow river]

[waxen oyster]

Like just look at that log

he doesnt hit barrels almost ever

directly

[thorn thorn]

Name a more iconic duo than raid leads and being dumb

I swear there isnt one

[runic hinge]

@spice spire and your dad

[waxen oyster]

How do people get such good barrel spawns though

[mighty rapids]

Rng

[coral ibex]

luck

[balmy condor]

I KNOW HOW YOUR SPEC WORKS BETTER THAN YOU DO GET MICROMANAGED

[waxen oyster]

its a funny breakdown

though

[versed mica]

All training dummies seem to be pvp flagged for some reason, and abilities do various levels of less damage against pvp targets

[coral ibex]

over 900m jesus christ

[versed mica]

So training dummy in dorno doesn't help

[waxen oyster]

yeah hes top barrel dam too

only one env on them

[balmy condor]

what is bro cooking

[shy heron]

Thankfully everyone in my guild is allergic to learning how rogue works

[lavish wing]

Dorno Dummy dies too fckin fast

[stable notch]

oh thats good to know, jess

[thorn thorn]

"I know nothing about your spec aside from a reddit post saying its fine for you to do (thing) so do thing"

[lavish wing]

Before I know it its already in exec dmg

[waxen oyster]

ngl no one knows how to play rogue

besides mains generally

[versed mica]

Am I wrong? Trinkets straight up do less on them

[outer kernel]

still possible to upgrade a second dagger for free with a crafted dagger?

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KxYRzr3GWtFBdmTQ?fight=31&type=damage-done&target=320&source=17
Even the top sub log for rik.

[balmy condor]

this looks normal

[waxen oyster]

Barely direct targets them

[balmy condor]

what trinket

[spice spire]

Sin regulars and glazing me Smdh

[golden loom]

Who even needs cds for vexie damage amp

[waxen oyster]

70% of his dam to barrels is flurry, 20% is secret tech

[earnest remnant]

i hate it

[cloud basin]

They really don't be listening but whatever lol

I'll do less damage not being able to cleave lol

[thorn thorn]

I know how it be

[waxen oyster]

I feel if your guild is playing correctly shouldnt ranged be hitting far barrels

[earnest remnant]

why is mutilate doing more than KB

thats vile

[waxen oyster]

and letting melee cleave close ones

[earnest remnant]

brother ew

[mighty rapids]

Sub doesnt really target barrels directly either its just u get an extra set of cd before intermission

[coral ibex]

same for me

same fight

[waxen oyster]

YEah

[coral ibex]

shit goes HARD

[balmy condor]

the other thing is

if all dummies are pvp flaggedf

why would there need to be pvp dummies

[waxen oyster]

"swap to barrels"

[cloud basin]

We also have other melee better at swapping but alas. And I mean I'm also still one of the top dps even being lower ilevel than most😬

[outer kernel]

still possible to upgrade a second dagger for free with a crafted dagger like last Season?

with stats change?

[waxen oyster]

No that got patched

[golden loom]

I spoke it into existence

[warm vortex]

Today was pretty good

:D

[waxen oyster]

shadowstrike does dam?

[golden loom]

idk but it feels good to press

[versed mica]

Once again this is something I was told

[waxen oyster]

oh i guess it can hit 2m

[golden loom]

just like we have now

[versed mica]

By the outlaw discord no less

[versed mica]

Argument invalid, shite trinket

[balmy condor]

because it's 2 points and comes with a downside and it's sick and feels great

[real pike]

problem is we shouldn't really be in the fight in the first place#

[golden loom]

Execute already felt amazing and now its cocaine

[real pike]

but the dagger drops

[balmy condor]

it's boss 3

benching for boss 3 is crazy

[golden loom]

I sat on rika rika rika rika reverb

[mighty rapids]

Benching in non rwf is crazy tbh

If ur a good player

[real pike]

last time I asked about rik on here everyone just said I should be benched

cause sin

but ye thankfully I was in

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh haha funny no barrel damage meme

[median citrus]

playing sin is a sin

[brittle shuttle]

some guilds have like 25 raiders and want everyone to get to prog lol

[median citrus]

but im a bad boy

[real pike]

we just spent 90 mins reclearing it 🥲 I had to hard swap to barrels out in China

that balance druid add damage lul

[balmy condor]

our problem is mostly trying to find people that wanted to do rik

cause people didn't want the mythic vault

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you did less than the guy never targeting it

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e4AxwXPcxH13rVwVVxBFix hmmm.. i sim higher as outlaw 🤨

[cloud basin]

Just wait til you get to Stix and they ask you to swap to crabs

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zVZwc1jv9TWBGyRh?fight=71&type=damage-done&target=1003&source=859

[real pike]

huh?

[waxen oyster]

ok i lied he hit one envenom

on a barrel

[real pike]

and did more damage than me

I believe it

[waxen oyster]

yeah 191m spatter dam

[humble verge]

191m spatter

jaha

seems realistic

[real pike]

lmfao

[waxen oyster]

i assume it was a dn envenom

[balmy condor]

god I love raid leaders that think they can play your class better than you and then fuck you over and then complain that you're doing no damage

[waxen oyster]

since 9.5m

[runic hinge]

Your moonkin should be on the bench

[real pike]

you got to hit fok though I was on singular barrels so we could kill the bloody thing

[waxen oyster]

not me

our barrel spawns are dogwater

[humble verge]

i might consider going outlaw just for more damage output, tho id see me being way better on assa anyways so why does it matter Okayge - im benched on stix anyways so who cars

[waxen oyster]

censi had like 200m as sub just cleaving mostly but

[real pike]

our better one got benched today

[waxen oyster]

having 2 sps not afk helps

[real pike]

absolutely wild

[runic hinge]

That barrel damage is criminal

[real pike]

havoc should be higher too I think

[mighty rapids]

Outlaw needs really good barrel rng to do dmg same as every other rogue spec

[storm forum]

@balmy condor do you have any cursed no DM build sims layin around?

[runic hinge]

Crab build

[waxen oyster]

Doesn't dh benefit also from melee range barrels

[balmy condor]

brother my sim history doesn't go back further than a day in most cases

[waxen oyster]

their talent literally funnels st dam from other target into boss

[balmy condor]

I haven't simmed crab since dragonflight

[storm forum]

ok ill do it myself

[balmy condor]

please dont

[brittle shuttle]

siphoning stiletto still piss? why it sim hella high

[static glacier]

bc sims are dumb and don't acknowledge 2 limit

for embelish

[balmy condor]

because droptimizer doesn't take embellishment cap into consideration

[lunar pond]

That Monk dps is straight terrorist level. Ours will do close to yours along with having to roll to Africa for barrels

[static glacier]

!stiletto

[cloud basin]

See that's why ima keep track of my longs so I can show em😂

[waxen oyster]

I mean thats what happens when you have good barrel cleave

literally every top log is not swapping to small barres for any class psure

[static glacier]

bro did more than 2x my barrel dmg while not taking ct

[waxen oyster]

maybe not aff lock

[static glacier]

i can't

[balmy condor]

ct

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/riri-tiktok-riri-crying-crying-hard-crying-in-dispair-gif-10448692435594928012

[waxen oyster]

top aff log has 300m to barrels

[balmy condor]

[narrow sluice]

LF WA to track 4 set for assassination, anyone got this or knows where to find it??

[balmy condor]

every day I wish I didn't know how to read

[static glacier]

bro i promised id take ct, beat the sub rogue on barrel dmg

xd

xdddd

[balmy condor]

we don't track the 4 set for anything

so you'd have to probably make one yourself

[static glacier]

some of us are out here in the wilds, fighting for our right to exist whispyr

[balmy condor]

or find some random dude that decided to make a pointless weakaura I guess

[narrow sluice]

sad, the 50% damage increase is nice to track for refreshes.

[balmy condor]

what does that mean homie

elaborate

[golden loom]

I just hope no sin rogue does cauldron before the parse locks in, the 100 looks so good and shiny

[waxen oyster]

"Nice to track"

[lunar pond]

I probably wasn't clear. I mean our monk will do close to your personal dps for that kill. Your monk's dps is not great is what I meant

[waxen oyster]

Yeah let me track something that i have 0 control over

Wasn't my log XD

[lunar pond]

oh

[waxen oyster]

we do dogshit strats for that boss

[lunar pond]

🙂

[narrow sluice]

50% increased effect, on 10 stacks, is the 4 set procc

[golden loom]

also... rank 2 with 4 buffs?? smh

[balmy condor]

yes

why is it nice to track for refreshes though

what does it do for refreshes

[narrow sluice]

To refresh bleeds with big buff

[waxen oyster]

Does bro realize shit is dynamic

[balmy condor]

I don't think he does

[narrow sluice]

Oh it just, carries over?

I see

[golden loom]

now that would be content if the proc snapshotted

[storm forum]

bad news bros, crab build <1mil dps

[waxen oyster]

classic andy mentality

[storm hedge]

This guy lives in classic

[red schooner]

Okay, quick question - m+, hybrid build on bosses, are we still playing around the dry shiv or are we just saving the 1 shiv for the kingsbane?

[waxen oyster]

that actually might make it good

[narrow sluice]

Rofl

my god you guys suck with that mentality

sad

[storm hedge]

Why would you hold shiv for 30 sec

When you get another shiv

[waxen oyster]

I mean classic is one of those games you play with family/friends that are a bit

[balmy condor]

everything in retail is dynamic

[red schooner]

okay yeah, fair point

[golden loom]

now thats taking it too far

[waxen oyster]

its a nice afk time to press frostbolt

[humble verge]

whisp

do you wanna see a tragic vault

[storm hedge]

I took sockets last week. Can't be much worse

[humble verge]

no this is a socket vault wdym

[waxen oyster]

[spice spire]

Gloves?

[waxen oyster]

taking sockets this early

[red schooner]

mythic gloves for cata?

[humble verge]

tier myth

already

[red schooner]

shit

[spice spire]

Ahh unluigi

Yeah socket

[humble verge]

well

[golden loom]

boots?

[humble verge]

last weeks vault

the heroic tier head there has a socket

[spice spire]

Unluigi

[humble verge]

but i dont have the chest from motherload yet

[red schooner]

i'm benched on rik as well, it be how it be

life is sad

[humble verge]

AND it didnt even sim better than the flood+socket i got first week rofl

[waxen oyster]

What do the guilds do about solo barrel

that arent inting

[storm hedge]

I was telling guys earlier that it's correct to swap to sub and they were telling me sub can't target swap either

[humble verge]

have ranged go for it

[hot hill]

Just don't.

[cerulean nest]

have your 40 OP ranged hit it??

lol

[red schooner]

though in our heroic reclear on rik I got second highest add damage... somehow.

[storm hedge]

I believed them cause I don't play much sub

[red schooner]

No fucking clue how I pulled that off

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean in theory your ranged should be hitting them

[balmy condor]

I'm convinced that no raid leader knows how rogue works

[storm hedge]

It was in this channel

[little widget]

Ay, what's cooking with the sims for the Noggenfogger trinket? It sims higher at 658 than HoC/Eye does on 678? Mega-bait right?

[balmy condor]

it's already fixed in game, just needs a recode

ignore it

[little widget]

Thank you

[lunar pond]

no one plays this class hardly, so it isn't surprising right?

[waxen oyster]

sub realistically isnt doing much to barrels

if their cds arent up

let's be honest

"aww yes let me backstab this barrel"

[cloud basin]

I don't swap on rik it's okay lol

[balmy condor]

I mean realistically it shouldn't matter how many rogues there are, you should be able to trust that your rogue player knows how to play rogue

[storm hedge]

They wanted me to give them shroud speed boost for bandit thrash death skip and I kept telling them I have to swap to sub first. And they told that I don't.

[waxen oyster]

cant warlocks also just

havoc barrel

[balmy condor]

like I don't get the argument of raid leaders trolling the fuck out of people

[waxen oyster]

and keep blasting boss

[cloud basin]

See my solution is just swap sub and then boom if they complain it's cuz i don't know sub all that well

[lunar pond]

That is fair point, but using my guild for instance there are literally 2 rogue alts across the spectrum of players and one is basically pvp only and the other is a Sub barely played toon

[balmy condor]

and that's totally fine

but you're the rogue

so you should know your class and spec

so why are they going to tell you how to play your class

[red schooner]

our raid leader has trust issues

because, by and large, (me included), we're fucking idiots

[storm hedge]

That's true at your rank not my rank. But tbf our Raid lead is usually kind of chill about that

[royal lantern]

thats why im happy with my RL

he just asks me and then is OK

[golden loom]

Just have trust issues back and dont listen to calls

[cloud basin]

Ours is cuz other people dunno how to play their class and i guess they don't wanna call em out on it

[red schooner]

nah he's now letting me cleave off of boss

life is good

[marble hemlock]

what part of the boomkin rotation requires them to pull the boss when the countdown is at 2? asking for a friend

[spice spire]

Nah call them out they’ll eventually learn

[spice surge]

DHs are good at it now too

[spice spire]

Also if you don’t know ask

[spice surge]

With sigil

[spice spire]

I’ve done this rodeo

[red schooner]

same for eleshams

fucking, every time

JUST CHILL YOU FUCKERS

[marble hemlock]

but ele shaman players are usually human

boomkins are, well, boomkins

[grand trail]

Idk we were having devs doing at 3 at sprocket

[static glacier]

their kill timer is a lot worse

[red schooner]

which makes it even more inexcusable

[vital flicker]

honestly because there are so few rogues (and not a lot of people decide to play rogue even when it's fotm) I would say more rogues should know how to rogue than other classes

[static glacier]

yours ends right after a dm

[balmy condor]

okay but hear me out. If they're raid leading people that don't know how to play their class, 99% chance they don't fucking get it either

[cloud basin]

My solution is just use a rotation helper 😂🤷🏻‍♀️ that's what I used for a while with assassination rogue lol

[static glacier]

wp though

[lunar pond]

Oh, yeah I am more addressing the sitting the rogue thing for Rik. It is easier for them to just swap to another class and let the inters keep inting on the africa adds. I totally get you though on the telling you how to play piece, not something i have experienced personally.

[red schooner]

you just assume chickens are gonna do chicken things

and adapt

[haughty flicker]

well

you want to wrath twice before pull

but counting is hard

[balmy condor]

in a room full of 3rd graders, it's unlikely one of them turns out to be an 8th grader

[haughty flicker]

so .8 +.8

[royal lantern]

insert the gromnak boomkin rant

[haughty flicker]

idk

hard to do

[cloud basin]

Its why my thought process is always "i could probably swap classes and out dps them" lol

[grand trail]

How do you play ass rogue on bandit

That must be fun

[balmy condor]

hit boss

[haughty flicker]

i like hitting boss

[balmy condor]

that's the answer regardless of fight

[waxen oyster]

I could probably play havoc better

[balmy condor]

how do you play ass rogue

you hit boss

[waxen oyster]

than both our mains

[noble verge]

Any suggestions?

At max ilvl, delve trinket sims best in AOE on assas - Chest sims better on Sub AOE / ST & Assas ST.

[runic hinge]

Yeha but you get to play crab build so it’s +1 million aura

[maiden sierra]

god the new talent changes made me want to rip my skin off... ENERGY PLS

[static glacier]

nah, sub can't target swap shhhh don't rat out our sub brothers

hidden blade has a cd 🙂

🙂

[grand trail]

What if boss hit me

[storm forum]

evasion

[golden loom]

Just look at details every pull and admire the mutilate damage and you dont want it to change

[waxen oyster]

I got meleed by vexie

not the geargrinder

the actual goblin

[balmy condor]

probably chest

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

What do you think of pizza

[lunar pond]

Yeah she murdered our spriest last week lol

[warm vortex]

And what is your fav toppings to have on one

[waxen oyster]

She apparently punches hard enough to proc cheat

[noble verge]

Yea this is what I am thinking too - im surprised that wep doesn't sim higher on sub?

[red schooner]

also, i want to know, why does the god-damn boss sometimes smack me when i'm chilling next to it in stealth on pull. cheating bastards. (yeah i know I can stand further back, but STILL)

[maiden sierra]

i looked at the details, saw that my evenom had 30% crit rate while my guilds other rogue higrolled 80% crit rate on the same pull

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-know-your-place-implicit-gif-26537479

[balmy condor]

wdym, don't you have a crafted weapon?

[royal lantern]

proximity aggro

[noble verge]

I have 1x crafted 1x Pyrotechnic 665

[balmy condor]

yeah

[red schooner]

i'm in stealth he can't see me :c

[balmy condor]

so myth dagger would just be +3 ilvl

makes sense why it sucks

[waxen oyster]

Can we have another fyrak style boss

that jumps to the first aggro target

[noble verge]

Ok yea fair enough - chest is it

[maiden sierra]

death to boomkins!

[waxen oyster]

That's what happened in amirdrassil

any ranged that early pulled insta died

[maiden sierra]

i know, it was amazing

[vital flicker]

Is Without a Trace actually good in M+ or is it just a sim trap and a vibe?

[golden loom]

Good

[red schooner]

ye its pretty good

[runic hinge]

It’s good

[red schooner]

being able to vanish more, good

[runic hinge]

And it’s a vibe

[waxen oyster]

dont ask me how the fuck we had holy priest players

pull early

[runic hinge]

12 seconds of MA

[vital flicker]

I mea nyou get that from subterfuge not WaT

[maiden sierra]

fuckers always blame the rogue for early pulls because we are the ones getting hit when a boss gets pulled without taunt smh.
amirdrasil was the best raid for vindication

[runic hinge]

Yeah but are you gonna spend all those points and not take double vanish

[red schooner]

yup, got blamed, i was just vibing there

[waxen oyster]

WaT is just good nowadays

its not int like DF where you had to give up 5 talent pts for it

[austere willow]

whats ideal secondary stats for assas rouge? im at 33% crit 6% haste ahd 54% mastery 7% vers

[golden loom]

WaT was always good, subterfuege was the problem before

[red schooner]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

[red schooner]

i am speed

[split veldt]

that shit was way more annoying than hardmode zekvir IMO

[waxen oyster]

I feel like underpin is easier as sub

[red schooner]

congrats!

[waxen oyster]

since you dont do anything outside your cds

but gz

[ripe umbra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[split veldt]

yeah maybe i should ahve went sub

was nice to have bleeds going while i was kicking bombs tho

[waxen oyster]

i assume the achieve is only for character

i should do it just lazy

[vital flicker]

I thought the problem was that over a long dungeons without a trace only added a few vanishes unless there is a lot of down time

[silk sundial]

On mugzee our spatter will hit the gaol mobs through the walls if we stay out and focus boss right? Do you need to be positioned in between the walls for that?

[balmy condor]

the problem was it was a 3 point talent that did this

now it's a 1 point talent that does that, but the previous 2 points are VERY good

[warm vortex]

Idk what’s the big deal just take the talents that sim the highest

Why take X talent when Y talent just does more damage

[acoustic finch]

Anyone able to give me some advice for ST raid parse? AOE runs ok but single target / cleave seems low
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M4qxragKj8kL6tdc?fight=last&type=damage-done

[dawn meteor]

i mean you would go forced induction the higher keys u go I think

[vital flicker]

I mean without a trace looks a lot better in a 5min sim than a 30min one but I am guessing that points in lethality just aren't worth it anymore since it got "fixed"

[waxen oyster]

turns out 12s of subterfuge with MA

is very good

[warm vortex]

Does MDT sim work for assassinations at all

[warm vortex]

Depends if smth sims higher, you never know

MA is juicy tho

Imagine if it became baseline rogue

https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

[cinder bone]

Why do people become absolute idiots when running the rookery

[balmy condor]

of course

dungeonslice works

so why wouldn't MDT

[warm vortex]

Idk!

[balmy condor]

idk either

[warm vortex]

Is it more reliable than DSlice if you would know O’ great whispy

[vital flicker]

imagine if they gave shadow dance to every rogue spec in the talent tree, and everyone was happy, and then they took it away and made 2 rogue specs sad

[balmy condor]

no

or else I would be telling people to sim it

[warm vortex]

Fair play

I’m just used to using it for hunter

[runic hinge]

You joking? People complained about dance every day in here

[warm vortex]

Btw
I would have had 2 99s tonight if I didn’t suck cock and get stunned by the money

*monkey

[nova kelp]

We should send whispyr a punching bag to hang up in the corner of the room. If he gave it a bash every time someone said a triggering thing in here... Dude would be an iron man this time next week

[waxen oyster]

dance was cringe

[warm vortex]

Gos I wish that were me

So bad

[nova kelp]

Lol

[versed mica]

Having two charges of vanish is def better than shadowdance for sin

[balmy condor]

[versed mica]

I liked dance for outlaw though

[warm vortex]

What

[balmy condor]

according to who

[versed mica]

Me

[balmy condor]

okay

well

you're wrong

[versed mica]

Damn

[vital flicker]

1min shadow dance vs 2 charges or vanish?

[maiden sierra]

i swear, every time i look into this discord, ven is yappin in here

[balmy condor]

having a 1 min vanish is insane

[vital flicker]

that should be what without a trace does

[versed mica]

Okay I meant better as in qolwise, not damagewise

[warm vortex]

Why don’t we just have both shadow dance and 2x vanish

Surely that’s better than just shadow dance or 2 vanish

[nova kelp]

He's playing bm. He's got time to yap

[runic hinge]

Bring back snapshotting!

[warm vortex]

I apologise

[balmy condor]

could've just kept shadow dance at that point and had a 15% dps talent in the class tree for no reason

[warm vortex]

Rn I’m actually top parsing on One armed as we speak

[nova kelp]

He just typed a sentence every time he jumps

[maiden sierra]

no youre good, better here than twitter

[balmy condor]

I mean qol wise it's better too, no?

you have dance every pack regardless of restealth

insta iron wire on pull

more access to iron wire

seems good man

[warm vortex]

Haha fair play

[nova kelp]

Dance was 100000000000% better than vanish charges.

[warm vortex]

Tbh I just finished my raid night (still no mug kill D:) and I’m waiting for my meds to wear off

I gotta say tho

Feels great to be top dps like

More than half of the fights

And every mug pull minus one of the ones that was an insta wipe

[versed mica]

IDK it just felt clunky to me, but to each their own ig

[vital flicker]

I mean 1 min vanish and no shadow dance at least reduces button bloat

[nova kelp]

Sin? Button bloat?

Is it bad?

[vital flicker]

no it's not

[balmy condor]

not the button bloat on a 4 button class

[runic hinge]

We’re a one button class

And the button is shiv

[nova kelp]

Lol

I feel like the button is envenom

[warm vortex]

Fuckin hell BM has more button bloat than Assa

[nova kelp]

But really that's just "big shiv"

[warm vortex]

People in BM channel were crying we got a new button

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1240325651664343142/AssassinationShiv.gif

[warm vortex]

Yknow

4. FUCKING. BUTTONS

[nova kelp]

This needs to be edited so he pulls out a knife

[vital flicker]

standing 10 yards behind him with a knife waiting for shadowstep to come off cd

[warm vortex]

Seriously tho

In M+ we have like

Barbed
KC
Cobra
Multi shot
Bestial wrath

And people were freaking out that we replaced a CD with a 20 second spell

Or 20 second cooldown

[nova kelp]

That's just 3 varieties of ranged shiv and one remote shiv

[warm vortex]

Tbf I was annoyed too

But it’s just because I find the idea of change very hard, not the change itself

Even if it’s minor, I still get a bit iffy about any sort of change in life

[runic hinge]

The guy who made it said he ran out of editable frames on his free gif animator

[nova kelp]

This is valid and fair. Fuck paying.

[native phoenix]

can someone help me with a mythic+ log

im not sure if im playing correctly

[warm vortex]

@spice spire

I don’t even know if he is awake

[spice spire]

Driving home

[native phoenix]

should i dm him?

oh hello

should i dm you 😄

[regal cedar]

are there any macros that apply poisons, oils to weapons and pop other consumables floating around?

[spice spire]

I’m awake 4-1

And no just ping me with a log I’ll thread

[tawdry halo]

method raid tools has a popup when someone readychecks that lets you click on buttons above the readycheck to apply all the above

[spice spire]

I’ve raid in 1 hour so it may be a second before I look

But I’ll look! And give feedback etc

[tawdry halo]

at least i think it's method raid tools

[warm vortex]

Your US right

[native phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxXGrQwZWgYf3md9?fight=48&type=summary @spice spire

like this?

[spice spire]

CST yessir

Oh god

Key

[runic hinge]

Lmao gottem

[spice spire]

Keys with an E

[gloomy otter]

hey i just specced back to assa from sub and simmed my gear to see which enchants and gems etc. i have to change but it doesnt recommend me anything else then my sub gear anyone know why?

[drifting cloud]

ilvl good

[alpine falcon]

both like mastery and crit

sub just likes vers

aswelll

[drifting cloud]

and if you have house you cant even brick your trinket

[balmy condor]

the torment continues

[nova kelp]

How have I not noticed the fatebound coin next to whispyrs name...

Something to confess?

[broken sandal]

damn our ST feels so low in M+, 5 % feels negligable, 0.4m diff between frost mage and WW on pure ST boss?

[balmy condor]

been like that since the start of the expac

[acoustic finch]

@spice spire if you have time at some stage 🙂

[waxen oyster]

was the 5% even in general

or just raid build

[balmy condor]

4% in m+

[waxen oyster]

people talk pure st bosses

as if thats common in keys

[storm hedge]

there's few. Like mechagon

[broken sandal]

Rook first second adn third?

Brew 1st

and last

[balmy condor]

I mean people also talk about bleed build st being bad when it's 1% behind

m+ is just feelcraft

is what it is

[waxen oyster]

pull adds onto boss

[bronze pike]

Do keys with me

[balmy condor]

no

[storm hedge]

Whispyr what keys are you running btw? Did you have chance to try the bleed in anything higher then 10? Felt bad in 11 but it might just be me not playing it correctly

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[bronze pike]

Y

[broken sandal]

Still largely ST

[bronze pike]

I need 12-13

For cool mount

[nova kelp]

Bleed does fine in 11 and 12

[bronze pike]

I am very smurt

I do the interrupt

[balmy condor]

I did a 13 like 2-3 weeks ago but then my internet has decided I don't get to play the game so I haven't really done much since

[nova kelp]

So does hybrid

[runic hinge]

I did an 11 floodgate today and bleed was fine

[waxen oyster]

Yeah probably like 1.6

which is fine ig

[storm hedge]

Dunno I did like pretty much the same damage I guess I expected big dam but was almost the same as with hybrid.

[runic hinge]

They aren’t like hugely different

[nova kelp]

If people are expecting to see massive shifts between bleed and hybrid. Like. It's the expectation that's the issue.

[balmy condor]

I mean if it did more dam people would be playing it everywhere

that's kinda the point

[storm hedge]

Ig that's the problem ye

I wanted my dopamine

And didn't get it

[swift bluff]

I’m at kids soccer practice. Someone stream some M+ goodness

[nova kelp]

That CHINESE build I tell you what

[faint quartz]

With the bleed build, how do I best use Shiv with Deathmark? What's the order?

[warm vortex]

Whispy

How far behind is fatebound M+

I wanna see if it's worse than DR BM

[balmy condor]

you press the buttons the same way

one sec

I don't have a profile laying around

guess I'm using quake's rogue

gg

[waxen oyster]

who tf is playing fatebound

[nova kelp]

Kir peeps

[balmy condor]

casuals I assume

[haughty flicker]

fatebound op

[warm vortex]

Btw whispyr

Wanna see how bad Dark ranger BM is

[waxen oyster]

What do you even drop to path into cb

[warm vortex]

I feel like it's much worse than fatebound

But idk

[balmy condor]

you've already told me how bad dark ranger is on two occassions

[haughty flicker]

doesnt dark ranger barely even work properly

[balmy condor]

thank you though

[warm vortex]

Fair

But i got it wrong

[warm vortex]

They removed the part that was cool

Instead of the shots firing when they proc, you just reset it's cd

It's so bad

[haughty flicker]

unlucky

[nova kelp]

Show him

[haughty flicker]

also im going to play fatebound on sprocket next week

[nova kelp]

IN GREAT DETAIL

[haughty flicker]

world first sprocket fatebound kill

[warm vortex]

Ok whispyr

Don't look

[balmy condor]

fatebound is 22% behind in m+

[warm vortex]

Close your eyes

[storm hedge]

Is it at least kinda close in ST?

[balmy condor]

yeah

in single target it's within 2%

[warm vortex]

Ah that's good at least

[haughty flicker]

if i just intentionally avoid being anywhere near adds on other fights that would make fatebound better

[balmy condor]

maybe within 2%

[haughty flicker]

thats the plan

[warm vortex]

Those ads don't exist

[red schooner]

within 2% but i don't wanna coin flip

[warm vortex]

They can('t) hurt you

[balmy condor]

I think on my char it's 2.5%, some guy said 2% for him

[red schooner]

so, i stick with mark

[storm hedge]

I mean it was like 1% ahead at the end of last season and noone played it

[balmy condor]

fatebound being worse

not better

[waxen oyster]

isnt dark ranger just

appealing to sylvanas fanboys

[cinder bone]

Whispyr what would you drop from bleed build to run iron wire in 12s and 13s

[haughty flicker]

does fatebound even have anything you play around

[storm hedge]

Ye My point being noone wants to play it even ahead.

[cinder bone]

MA seems to hard to give up

[haughty flicker]

like do you track coins for something or do you legit just ignore them all

[balmy condor]

if only I wrote a guide about this or something

wouldn't that be cool

[nova kelp]

No such thing as Sylvanas fanboys. She has people who agree. And people who are wrong

[warm vortex]

Wait

Whispyr

[cinder bone]

I'm looking at it I'm asking for a personal rec

[warm vortex]

How does your character look

[balmy condor]

that is my personal rec

[cinder bone]

if you had to choose one what would you choose out of the 3

[haughty flicker]

thats literally his personal rec

[runic hinge]

I be taking IW and kb and it feels pretty damn good

[balmy condor]

kingsbane

you remove sbs

[runic hinge]

The double rupture muscle memory is hard to get rid of tho

[storm hedge]

That should stay in game forever imo. The double rupture just feels right

[runic hinge]

Built in bonerspike

[cinder bone]

Okay, gonna drop SBS to take IW then. then I just need to get used to throwing in an FOK before second rupture

[waxen oyster]

well you might as well remove doomblade too

shit sucks

[balmy condor]

yeah when I say remove sbs I mean remove sbs and doomblade

[nova kelp]

But it reminds me of doomtrain from final fantasy 8

[balmy condor]

you would never run doomblade on its own

[warm vortex]

Doomblade is one of the talents of all time

[cinder bone]

ah okay

[warm vortex]

It certainly exists

That I can’t deny

[tawdry halo]

Definitely one of the talents in the talent tree

[nova kelp]

What is the worst talent ever?

[waxen oyster]

i mean when it was a lego

it was good

[tawdry halo]

MA was also goated when it was a leggo

[nova kelp]

Bruh the ma leggo was guaranteed crit

[tawdry halo]

yes

[waxen oyster]

doomblade was the NH tier bonus

its just giga piss undertuned as a talent

[nova kelp]

Nh was all about THE GLORY OF DEATH FROM ABOVE

Sorry. My sub side was showing