#assassination

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golden loom
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Well movespeed rocketjetpack thingy

nova kelp
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I mean, you move at the speed of a tired gary the snail, but you can move

spice spire
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PI and death all there

dapper cradle
real pike
dapper cradle
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gearing my dk rn

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uhdk blasting soon

spice spire
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I’m only 651 on Pwar

nova kelp
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ah, wheelchair blastin'

real pike
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is this mythic only?

spice spire
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But I crafted my arms weapon

golden loom
real pike
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ohhhhhhhhhhh

nova kelp
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you run on water with the effect too right?

real pike
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I thought it was a fight mechanic

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like ICC Gunship

nova kelp
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man... we used to be able to sprint on water with a glyph...

oak tangle
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i'm still a sin at heart, i jsut couldn't stomach playing the same rotation for another tier

nova kelp
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glyphs were cool

real pike
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I miss this so so much

nova kelp
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everythings so mathed out now though

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someone would be in here like

tacit hedge
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How is assa feeling so far this patch for y'all?

nova kelp
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ACTUALLY WATER SPRINT IS BIS BECAUSE AT 22.7 MINUTES INTO X/Y DUNGEON THERES A LAKE WHERE YOU CAN AVOID THIS MECHANIC

viscid spear
oak tangle
nova kelp
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and I'm over here like "I like water sprint coz cool"

viscid spear
real pike
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yeah minor glyphs were great fun

hard sparrow
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does anyone know why glowtorc's recommended BiS? every sim i do rescue-keg sims better. is it just for the extra vers for survivability?

coral ibex
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if rescue keg sims better then use it

spice spire
nova kelp
golden loom
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There are 100 combinations of bis gear

nova kelp
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so I spammed that shit on kurog

oak tangle
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if i was to play rogue, i'd probs main sub this tier

real pike
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in mists last season it was useful

nova kelp
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and annoyed the raid with my gigantic kurog form

viscid spear
fallow canopy
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based

nova kelp
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disguise is bis

viscid spear
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Most of my tanks just unga bunga pull anyway

nova kelp
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most tanks*

viscid spear
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Can't recall the last time someone suggested a Sap on something

spice spire
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
severe meadow
nova kelp
severe meadow
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Distract more-so in season 1

viscid spear
# spice spire !tea

I remember seeing this macro the other day here and wondered how someone could mess that up
Then I did it in raid last night SCeee

viscid spear
severe meadow
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My priest friend didn’t have soothe on his bars until I told him

swift bluff
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I distract the priory pats a bit. Last room, courtyard.

nova kelp
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from range

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on a short cd

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with no cp usage

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like a FUCKING DICK

viscid spear
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Meanwhile I'm energy starved

nova kelp
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oh look an emissary - emissary, meet ToD

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oh look, the other affi- sweeps

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fuck

swift bluff
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Poison?! Nope I’m cleansed

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I don’t like where these mobs are ranged to. Take my ring of peace to come closer. Now eat my spin cycle

nova kelp
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STOP THAT THING GETTING TO THE B--RoP

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nvm

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but... I just kidney'd it

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it

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I

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man

shell crater
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Most real shit I’ve read all day lol

nova kelp
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aight folks it's 3 am and I get up in 3 hours for work
so... that's a thing
deuces

shell crater
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3am where the fuck are you from?

shell crater
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😂

loud jackal
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hey fellow stabbers , do we spam FOK and CTW during raid cleave?

subtle tundra
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monk main

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W

spice spire
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W

cinder geode
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If someone isn't logging is there any way to still check your parse? My group wasn't logging and I would have gotten a 98

safe patrol
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am i trolling playing bleed build in aoe dungeons at like high ish keys like 14?

brave comet
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i got recruited into a guild with the leader upfront telling me im not gonna be benched. this is the second week as a trial and i think i am not gonna be allowed in progs.

safe patrol
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I do like that build

cinder geode
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See how good the group is, if you're benched because of too many people or something else, and if you can do m+ in the meantime

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I had a guild like that before, if they don't do things with you then just find a guild that will lol

grand trail
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what are you guys rocking in low keys

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hybrid or bleed

dawn pollen
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bleed

cinder geode
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bleed for lower hybrid for higher

coral ibex
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bleed works wonders in weekly 10's

analog field
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how can i find all the possible crafted gear? i mean i am searching for the craftable neck but idk which one is it

cinder geode
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earthen craftsmanship

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is what its called

runic hinge
coral ibex
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yea but that still requires him to have started logging

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might not have any addons configured to auto log

cinder geode
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is it recommended to have an addon to auto log

coral ibex
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if you did log the encounter you can just upload it with the wcl app

coral ibex
sharp moss
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sorry if this was already discussed but as for the nerf to single target with the talent swap does anyone know what talents we swap for that?

golden loom
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playing scared in raids for 6 months made me only wanna do damage when I moved over to retail

sharp moss
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i meant buff sorry

dawn pollen
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check pins

severe meadow
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It’s updated on WoWhead as well

wide sleet
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!up

turbid sandal
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Quick question about the mega magnet: Do we want to save up to full stacks and only send with lingering darkness? Or just send on CD?

cinder geode
golden loom
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dont quote me on that though, I am a pacemaker enjoyer

strange sleet
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good-enough vault

coral ibex
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or MRT

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i think its MRT actually

golden loom
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do you need MRT? I thought just having the warcraft logs app was enough

coral ibex
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idk, does the wcl app auto start logs?

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live logging doesn't do anything if your game isn't logging

golden loom
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you can either live log or upload stuff thats saved

coral ibex
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yea live log doesn't make the game start logging tho afaik

golden loom
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yeah thats what the manual upload is for, not sure though

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but I think I did logging before MRT

coral ibex
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the game can create the log

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by typing /combatlog

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MRT just automatically does that part

golden loom
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ah might be

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well good to get either way so

coral ibex
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dbm does it too apparently

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bigwigs prob does too

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im a bigwigger personally

golden loom
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ah might be my dbm

runic hinge
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you can have the raider io app log too i think

coral ibex
outer plinth
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hey guys im new to sin, can/should i macro thistle tea to deathmark? is this a bad habit?

tall atlas
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are the bloodmallet sims for trinkets up to date with the latest trinket changes

haughty flicker
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macro tea to shiv

outer plinth
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thanks

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any other macros i should be using?

grand trail
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can soemone post that bleed m+ buld real quick

hidden bay
lyric nebula
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yo guys, is it worth it crafting the neck on 675 as a third craft 🙂

low thicket
cedar flicker
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I ran DFC more than 20 times never drop neck for me

hidden bay
keen umbra
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quick question: these are my stats right now (minus 3470 vers because potion is running).
why does crit sim so bad for me?

shell crater
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Bruh I’m due to get two fractured sparks drop but this shit is just not dropping

copper mural
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is %7.67 haste too low ?

storm hedge
cerulean maple
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why would it be stronger in AoE
doesnt literally all of our aoe damage count as mastery (poisons and bleeds)

storm hedge
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crits = more cp

sharp moss
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is there an addon or anything to let youknow when your lingering darkness is up

cerulean maple
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ah true

storm hedge
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At like 15 targets crit might be lower again but who cares

lofty junco
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now with the changes/buffs to sin, would u say there are still bosses where playing sub is more beneficial for progress?

storm hedge
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If you can play both equally as well, propably.

cerulean maple
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ngl i kinda mourn the loss of vanishing during dps cds, made the burst window feel more active and interesting

storm hedge
tall atlas
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just play what you want at this stage

lofty junco
storm hedge
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It's never the pyros in the melee range

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those always die anyway

fallow canopy
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ye

tall atlas
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hes meaning to step and sectec one far away

fallow canopy
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rng can be fucky with the spawns

tall atlas
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but tbh rogue is shit at target swapping so not really your job

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sub will do no damage if you dont have cds for the add and sin takes like 4 globals to get going

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and if your deathstalkers mark is left on the boss its even worse

lofty junco
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what do ya recommend for bandit HC progress?

tall atlas
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again either are fine as normally the boss will be pulled onto the adds so both are good

manic sphinx
tall atlas
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sub will probably do better in lower target count situations with cleave but just do what you want

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think about it like this, assa is constant good damage sub is v v v v spikey

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if you fuck the spike up youre done

robust light
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are we supposed to be avoiding dumping our energy below 30? i noticed my thistle tea charges were being used without me using it and didnt know why until i read the tooltip of thistle tea lol

cerulean maple
storm hedge
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it's less then 0.1% increase if you avoid it iirc. So don't bother

robust light
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alright fair enough. ty

storm hedge
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sims don't anymore

cerulean maple
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i've absolutely had times where bc of mechanics i don't think hard enough and drop a gcd or two during kb due to energy starvation

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not sure how much it actually matters

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but

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i pool a bit just because it feels more fun and purposeful that way than just pressing buttons 24/7

storm hedge
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What you want to do there is pool 4 seconds before KB

cerulean maple
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ya p much jksngfnjk i usually pool to 160ish before sending it

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assuming thistle charge

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idk if any1 relates but has ass felt simpler and simpler to anyone else since like s3/s4 of DF?

storm hedge
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Tbf I hated s3 cause of the PI. Not sure about how simple it was but pooling felt better back then

cerulean maple
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ER is dead, supercharger doesn't affect how you play, MA is dead, shadow dance doesn't exist anymore (actually happy about this ngl fuck shadow dance), thistle tea timign doesnt matter anymore

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pooling is SHRUG now

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largely

storm hedge
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Ye pretty much

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I mean assa is a pretty simple spec overall I feel. I play it cause of the simplicity

shy axle
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do you still do the opener like ambush - gar and so on or do you use mut instead of gar like the wowhead guide suggests? if you do indeed mut, when do you do your first gar?

cerulean maple
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which made it fun

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now it just feels head empty asf

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genuinely might try to learn outlaw again or smth idk

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havent played any other specs than ass in years

storm hedge
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I know what you feel and I think it's all pooling

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Even s1 felt better

cerulean maple
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yeah right

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not rly sure what other spec to try if i dont like outlaw
what else do yall play and enjoy

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i used to play enh sometimes and it was ok

desert vault
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ooof my mastery is so low, 18,189 ... huh but sims still want more crit and haste, interesting!

storm hedge
runic hinge
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i might try out sub if i can get a hoc with my dinar

storm hedge
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we just like crit and mastery more

desert vault
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ya I know sin doesn't care much, just give em stats and they happy

storm hedge
desert vault
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just wonder if a bit more mastery for raid will help, guess we'll see later

cerulean maple
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something something diminishing returns or whatever

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math is hard

grim jay
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Its a Flowchart

shy axle
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@storm hedge thank you

grim jay
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It says to mut after garrote under a specific condition

storm hedge
shy axle
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ah it means mut after gar due to lower cp gen?

shy axle
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thank you

grim jay
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Garr Mut rup

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If you dont have SS

storm hedge
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Well ye but I can see the confusion that's what I mean

pliant remnant
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I hope Whispyr is too busy to read this

grim jay
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He usually skips over it

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If its dealt with

golden loom
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also you dont need to mutilate if you crit the ambush

grim jay
golden loom
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well in any situation you dont run SS you run imp ambush

storm hedge
grim jay
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Still!

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Its a condition

golden loom
grim jay
manic sphinx
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I used to fok in between, but now running vicious venoms!

grim jay
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Its somewhat neutral

manic sphinx
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Apparently not, only with 2+ targets

golden loom
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okay Davyn what about this

grim jay
golden loom
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I am running tight spender, but still get 4 combo points from my ambush

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what now cuh

waxen oyster
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Sin liking all stats does make droptimizer absolute dogshit

dapper cradle
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can we get slow mode sin again

waxen oyster
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though

golden loom
charred summit
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How much crític do i need in order to generate good combo points...?

dapper cradle
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slow mode sin chat is lore accurate to how the spec plays

grim jay
storm hedge
golden loom
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then thats the fate im dealt

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give this to deathstalker please!! make it even more ahead

fallow canopy
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
barren meteor
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mmm i try bleed talents on dummys and on 5 target 10M i never get into 10m with hybrid build on 5 targets

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thats make me think

waxen oyster
warm vortex
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I think?

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DR Bm is like 30% behind in M+

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And fatebound is still playable on ST right

grim jay
spice spire
grim jay
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Go to bed

spice spire
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Dog it’s 1300

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Also do not call me that

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Gives me an anti boner

grim jay
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Its 1900

golden loom
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its 20:14

dapper cradle
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is that like a mussy?

golden loom
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u freaks are way behind!

grim jay
spice spire
grim jay
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Does it reach your chocolate starfish?

spice spire
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Nah

grim jay
golden loom
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yooo the renown 19 mount goes kinda crazy

grim jay
spice spire
grim jay
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(hint: its you)

spice spire
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Damn

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That’s too real

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It’s like watching oxi getting married while the love of his life is forced to watch (stealthi)

waxen oyster
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look good on overall

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tank dam to mob that matters

grim jay
vestal cliff
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we play arterial on every boss except lockenstock right?

spice spire
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Yes

waxen oyster
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the diff is so minor but yes

haughty flicker
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prio between bleed and hybrid is basically the same, and from what i remember seeing eleem post the st is not much different either

golden loom
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1,3%

waxen oyster
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Yeah but bleed will do more damage

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if you play wrong

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xd

golden loom
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people will be pogging their champion to doing 1,3% more damage in single target when its tank damage * 1.013

waxen oyster
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tbf i dont think its literal tank dam

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but yeah you lose on st to every real spec

spice spire
waxen oyster
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hey it got nerfed

waxen oyster
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keep up shield block and sometimes press wall when you see your hp move

golden loom
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fury prot is back 🥲

waxen oyster
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mfw prot demolish

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hits as hard as most rogue abilities

indigo comet
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is it normal that depths simming this higher than power?

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or shouldi just go for power

maiden sierra
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
hollow river
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In ST?

indigo comet
hollow river
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Very normal

indigo comet
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idc about m+

coral ibex
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the raid is mostly aoe this tier

hollow river
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Radiant is better in aoe

coral ibex
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only 1 boss is actually single target

indigo comet
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so radiant is the play then

shell crater
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How many instances of garrote and rupture should I have up on an m+ pack for the energy conservation? 3 of each if I’m right?

spice surge
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atleast 5 total for energy

sharp moss
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should my splatter be my top dmg?

spice surge
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Garrote outside of stealth should not be spread

shell crater
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Wild

reef lotus
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sharp moss
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anyone on the splatter dmg?

brave comet
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mythic

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very proud of this parse that cant be ranked

waxen oyster
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cant be

brave comet
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yes my guild is running stealth mode

dusk onyx
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how much stacks should the magnet trinket for use?

waxen oyster
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cringe

pearl laurel
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What am I dropping for VV in raid

spice spire
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Ma and imp garrote

pearl laurel
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Ty

waxen oyster
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we got even less buttons to press now

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for more damage

brave comet
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just to confirm mythic rik still uses teh cleave build right?

zinc vale
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Dude sin rogue sT still so low compare to some other specs like mm hunter

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just check logs

brave comet
brave comet
zinc vale
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highest sin rogue on 5th boss of raid has 2.5m dps highest mm hunter is 3.3 seems like hunters are from next expansion

waxen oyster
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comparing with other classes is kind of stupid

zinc vale
zinc vale
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sure bro

waxen oyster
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Ok tell me when you play in a guild where it matters

waxen oyster
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sprocket is the one boss that is st this tier

dusk onyx
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can someone tell me with how much stacks we should use Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet?

somber pier
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Why does Trashmaster's Mantle sim so high, does anyone know?

buoyant herald
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Doesn’t matter as long as it’s within lingering and doesn’t screw up your other on-use

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Just don’t sit on it at stack cap

waxen oyster
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Oh wait people care about heroic logs

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for some reason

waxen oyster
somber pier
shell crater
brave comet
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or most guilds

waxen oyster
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Yeah hc logs are a meme

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its just whoever kills boss as cds come back

shell crater
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Random thought, in DM window I’ve been applying stealth garrote and then DM. Should I be doing DM first?

sharp moss
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Thanks for the input... I'll look into my question

ripe umbra
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
cerulean nest
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yoo I snagged a rank 1 lets go

ornate dawn
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27 mil envenom crits you love to see it

real pike
cerulean nest
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got a 33M one last night

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wild

real pike
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tha fuck

ornate dawn
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Its that dopamine hit I needed

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big number good

golden loom
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did 2 bikes aswell, ethical parsing only!

real pike
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guys in raid build in fights with adds at how many targets do we build with fok? or is it always muti regardless?

cerulean nest
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5

shell crater
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I try and learn from logs lol

cerulean nest
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just have a massive envenom crit right before the boss dies it's easy

shell crater
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Lol

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I’m only 652 so I won’t have grits that big yet lol

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Praying for 4 piece lol

brave comet
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should i be using my shiv dry on mythic rik when the ads spawn??

brave comet
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should be a bannable offense

buoyant herald
cerulean nest
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literally

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just replicate that on every boss now

analog field
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Whetstone only on MH ?

midnight arrow
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no?

runic hinge
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both hands

real pike
cerulean nest
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it is

real pike
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thank you ❤️

golden loom
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@humble verge I got your rank 1 😄

neat plank
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what ilvl

golden loom
red schooner
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I will eventually remember that I don't need to hit vanish in raid

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One day

coral ibex
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do you start monkey side

golden loom
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it was so nice for cauldron tbh

golden loom
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bro mutilate/ambush does so much work

real pike
kind ravine
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Hey, any recommendations for high-parsing Assa Rogue YouTubers with recent S2 vids? Trying to improve

royal lantern
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bro its week3

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wdym high parsing lol

golden loom
rotund oak
hot pasture
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energy feels weird

rotund oak
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?

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wdym mean weird

hot pasture
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with the new talents

golden loom
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i dont care how energy feels, all I know is that it feels fucking good to press mutilate and blindside procs

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builder doing damage just feels so good idk

rotund oak
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new talents and energy

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idk

coral ibex
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yea the spec is slower than the free energy spam from last season

rotund oak
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i cant corelate

coral ibex
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literally dropped like 7 cpm

kind ravine
rotund oak
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!guide

coral ibex
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50.9 apm by the robot and i believe it was almost gcd capped last season

coral ibex
golden basin
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Since today update, vicioius venoms became more attractive in raid what do you think ?

coral ibex
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dont need to do anything crazy

cinder bone
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big things happening

waxen oyster
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spamming as sin

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always felt wrong personally

real pike
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so TTB and Arterial are simming exactly the same for me, I guess in any fight with adds I take Arterial?

waxen oyster
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like wtf is this

shy axle
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hero talent buffed fok was at 2 targets or 3 better than mut with the new talentbuild? heard 2 and 3, unsure whats right and wrong

coral ibex
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its in the pins

golden loom
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Efficient Erik

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Tactical Terry

humble verge
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well i atleast got a decent log on vexie

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a 97

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i got in on carnage

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even tho i wanted rik

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apparently im getting 4 myth vault this week

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SURELY I WILL R1

golden loom
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I am currently relaxing watching discord stream of rik

coral ibex
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surely my guild kills stix this week

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ball simulator is getting boring

viscid spear
golden loom
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how long do fleeting tempered pots last btw

golden loom
coral ibex
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30s

golden loom
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sorry meant the fleeting ones, can I log out and keep them for a while

waxen oyster
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sometimes i wonder if 2 hc slots is better just for jastor diamond

red schooner
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the lack of energy in the new build pains me slightly

hearty seal
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hmmm
I wonder if adding Kingsbane to Venomous Wounds would patch up our ST energy woes
14 seconds every minute would add what, circa 56 energy, doubled in deathmark? okay no, that's probably not enough

turbid mulch
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
red schooner
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mutilate third on damage, life is good

golden loom
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and think of how much damage you gain every blindside proc

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FOR FREE

red schooner
golden loom
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no worries 🤝

waxen oyster
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and wondering why energy feels “low”

warm vortex
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Guys

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Guess who got their first heroic 99 this season

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:D

humble verge
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wait

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are we running free toxic blade

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on ST?

warm vortex
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i mean

humble verge
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instead of AA?

waxen oyster
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on spocket

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rofl

warm vortex
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Better to get something free right

humble verge
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AP*

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i mean

coral ibex
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yes

warm vortex
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Don't wanna waste money

humble verge
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i feel AP would be better tho

coral ibex
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arterial on aoe fights

humble verge
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but like

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wouldnt it be good on ST tho

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the 30% bleed

waxen oyster
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well your bleeds dont do shit now

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with new build

golden loom
#

TTB saves a little bit of energy

humble verge
#

unlucky

golden loom
#

but they are like even

waxen oyster
#

secret

#

imp poisons tech

golden loom
#

and then if u ever hit a shiv on anything at all other than main target its sick

waxen oyster
#

like honestly the s1 build where

static glacier
#

buffs cranking

#

vexie

waxen oyster
#

you could never run out of energy

#

felt so wrong

warm vortex
#

What if vexie could gear grind me

#

😳

static glacier
#

needs a lot of oil

royal lantern
#

you jst spam mut mut envenom more bettwen cds

#

cool

cinder bone
#

Nothing like a group of 3k chads blasting you through TOP because they need shroud

royal lantern
#

why do they need shroud lol

humble verge
#

first pack

#

you do the miniboss into boss

royal lantern
#

can also just soothe that

cinder bone
#

last mini boss in arena

humble verge
#

dont believe me, people still somehow aggro

cinder bone
#

you shroud and roar to skip it

humble verge
#

dont need to shroud

cinder bone
#

its a requirement in higher keys

humble verge
#

just roar

royal lantern
subtle tundra
#

you just w

royal lantern
#

you jst need any ms increase

cinder bone
#

really? dont tell them that lmao

royal lantern
#

like, all stay togheter and run fast

#

nothing more

#

the chick has stealth detection anyway dracthyr_kek

golden loom
#

guys he got his spot by shrouding

#

dont let the team know..

cinder bone
#

I can't wait to hit 3k and just go back to doing 8 10s for vault each week

static glacier
#

anyone want a sneaky tip? shiv and save supercharger from trash before a bos

hearty seal
cinder bone
subtle tundra
#

he said shiv bud

#

not cringe symbols

cinder bone
#

same principal

lofty junco
#

with VV do we still spam mutilate and envenom like crazy while kingsbane?

static glacier
#

shimbols of whispyr

dense cove
#

does this look like a normal breakdown for a m+ dungeon overall?

static glacier
#

@balmy condor this is gonna be dumb, clear the witness during kb assuming you're energy starved aka naked kingsbane

#

wurf or nah

#

with vv / bside

lofty junco
#

does rotation/cd useage wise change anything with VV?

golden loom
static glacier
humble verge
#

i blame we had 4 deaths @golden loom

hearty seal
golden loom
humble verge
golden loom
#

buddy gaslighting his guild!

lofty junco
humble verge
#

ive been told to go sub

#

like 1000 times by now

static glacier
dense cove
cinder bone
static glacier
#

sub is fun if you dont have transmitter

haughty flicker
#

sub is fun when you one shot people in open world with two buttons

#

er my beloved

humble verge
#

wait

#

VV is without MA

#

no wonder i didnt bonk

hearty seal
#

yeah VV is -ImpGarry and -MA

#

(good)

hexed frost
#

Sub is fun when you spend 2 mins auto attacking a mob before boss because you are auto attack the spec w/o CDs and then explode for a 7M opener

cinder bone
shell crater
#

Play what you want cos that’s the spec you’ll do best at lol

humble verge
hexed frost
humble verge
#

they are joking :DDDD

#

tho i was actually benched on rik cause i do shit damage to adds lmao

static glacier
#

certain fights HEAVILY play to specific specs

#

stuff like boomkin / ranged on stix etc

humble verge
#

but like

#

why would i want to play another spec

static glacier
#

I hate it too ngl

humble verge
#

when sin is supreme

shell crater
static glacier
#

bc sub can cleave shit without the boss being moved xd

humble verge
#

i did get this saying i would "try" outlaw

#

OME

hardy rapids
# static glacier

call me a moron but is this saying that you FoK with 3 targets in m+ when you have blindside proccd?

static glacier
static glacier
#

and no vv

#

with thrown fok is on 2

golden loom
#

well not if u are bleed build

static glacier
golden loom
#

that has blindside

static glacier
#

bro

golden loom
#

then u fok on 3

hardy rapids
#

thats what I was talking about my fault I shouldve clarified

static glacier
#

read what you typed again

sudden brook
#

Just to confirm, with VV we dont do clear the witness? or we do? or it doesn't matter or

hardy rapids
static glacier
#

so you can just not fok on st

static glacier
silk sundial
#

Does the nature dmg from VV count as a poison and apply to spatter?

static glacier
golden loom
#

🤝

static glacier
#

gg gf looking forward to rematch

hardy rapids
#

im so fucking confused. so you just use fok in the bleed build with blindside procc on if you have anything more than 2 targets

golden loom
#

you dont FoK on 2 with blindeside cause you can proc blindside

static glacier
#

tbh if you have a blindside proc in aoe it's nice to send it if a fok doesn't get you to 7 for dn / to refresh spatter

hardy rapids
#

thank you

hearty seal
waxen oyster
#

Sin has always been a slower spec

#

play outlaw if you want a spamfest

#

sub is somewhere in between

spice surge
#

Sub is pretty much the same as assa really

hearty seal
#

don't like sub
outlaw is too fast
even if sin were to be rid of lack of energy, it wouldn't get massively faster anyways

spice surge
#

Its just concentrated into the burst windows with lots of offgcd stuff

humble verge
#

i actually might try out outlaw

hearty seal
#

it'd be like
what, five APM higher?

humble verge
#

than to learn sub

waxen oyster
#

outlaw is only due to the fact their gcd is .8 during AR

#

which if you play right is, most of the fight

humble verge
#

true

hardy rapids
#

Outlaw difficulty is so overrated. the APM is not nearly as insane as people say it is

waxen oyster
#

The fastest outlaw has ever been

#

is df prepatch

hardy rapids
#

for me its always been the easiest rogue spec in practice

waxen oyster
#

when you had shadowdust and venthyr

#

also lowk broken as all hell having cloak on like a 15s cd

hardy rapids
#

that shit was so fun

waxen oyster
#

it was but my god was it imba

#

your mobility had like, no cd

#

on either step or hook

hardy rapids
#

the only rogue spec I cant have fun on is sub. I just cant get used to the out of cd playstyle

cinder bone
#

I like outlaw because you can use Hekili and hit like 95% sim dps

waxen oyster
#

sub is like

#

20s of blast

#

then you kinda just play with your meat with backstabs

#

until cds are back

hardy rapids
#

it must feel way cleaner in raid than m+ huh?

hardy rapids
waxen oyster
#

pretty sure it plays the same except you rupture spread

#

on the gather

bright turret
#

sub has the benefit of 1 talent build fits all, so it's more or less the same in both contents

waxen oyster
#

the comedic part about trickster sub is tricks threat persists through tank death

#

so if your tank dies and releases the pack chases him

spice surge
#

A curse and a blessing

#

Depending on situation

waxen oyster
#

you change 1-2 talents

bright turret
#

yea but its played and built differently for M+

waxen oyster
bright turret
#

sub raid and M+ is identical aside from rupture spreading

spice surge
#

Assa in raid: Bruh you cant expect me to do anything but hit the boss
Assa in keys: Bruh you cant expect me to actually do any boss dps

bright turret
#

something about sin flipping around and becoming the primo AoE and worst ST spec for rogues in M+ is amusing

waxen oyster
#

me when im doing bandit

#

and tanks dont move boss to adds

humble verge
#

i wont ever fix my rik log

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
#

rik is chalked if your barrel spawns suck

#

XD

#

or your ranged suck

humble verge
#

we had a giga barrel

#

icl

waxen oyster
#

yeah man let me

#

just spend 3 gcds before i can hit this barrel fr

#

though arguably worse for sub if you sent a secret tech before the spawn

#

backstab no sod dam

spice surge
#

Well you can just not kek

hearty seal
bright turret
#

sub CDs usage lines up very well with barrel spawns as long as you are paying attention to the timer

humble verge
#

lmao

waxen oyster
#

What specs even go full st build

#

besides sub

humble verge
#

got a 2nd rik dagger

coral ibex
#

so do assa cds if you just hold until 18s to send the opener

#

beg your tank to drag onto the mobs

spice surge
#

Although most probably play the pad build with slightly less ST

bright turret
#

rik barrel spawn has too much RNG, bad mental to sweat parse on it

hearty seal
#

fire mage aoe is just ignite spreading for 90%, yeah?

waxen oyster
#

technically to optimize as either spec you need boss on barrels

#

sin or sub

humble verge
#

maybe i should clean my bag

hearty seal
#

probably

coral ibex
#

most ranged are just not gonna hit the far add

#

"muh cleave"

#

blame them

hearty seal
#

honestly Baganator just fixes that for me, everything is nice and orderly

humble verge
#

our ranged have always hit it

waxen oyster
#

fire is just one of those specs better for st

bright turret
#

ethical range players

waxen oyster
coral ibex
#

never met an ethical ranged player

waxen oyster
#

Yeah ethical ranged player doesnt exist

#

besides the bm players that know they're mechanics bitches

spice surge
#

the BM hunters have so many jobs this tier

#

Actually insane

waxen oyster
#

i mean when you play the ranged spec

bright turret
#

their fault for having 100% DPS while moving

waxen oyster
#

that suffers 0 for moving

hearty seal
waxen oyster
#

yeah...

#

nah thats part of the extreme

#

to take gate into a drill stun

bright turret
#

that's just people paying attention to WAs and debuffs or not

waxen oyster
#

actually the biggest terrorists

#

are always evoker players

bright turret
#

have had multiple wipes from melee running into mine spawn chasing boss

#

ultimate greed

lofty junco
#

can u take all 3 mines from lockenstock with only feint?

waxen oyster
#

tbh my favorite is on stix

#

"dont set trash on fire"

#

trash under boss

#

tank doesnt move

hearty seal
#

yeah

bright turret
#

i dunno about below mythic, but you get a giant debuff on mythic and cant do more than 1

hearty seal
#

it's what, +1000% damage?

waxen oyster
#

can anyone take 3 mines from sprocket

#

besides dks

hearty seal
#

I mean, CoS might save you? it's fire damage

lofty junco
#

pala

waxen oyster
#

ok non immune classes

#

even though ams is basically a "mechanics optional" button

lofty junco
#

i think hunter?

hearty seal
#

like take one, then CoS with that one DS talent to extend it to 7 seconds, take second, then take third once raid is safe

#

haven't tried it yet tho

waxen oyster
#

generally you have ranged trip them

bright turret
#

there's really no reason to have a single person doing multiple mines anyways

waxen oyster
#

idk i still feel rogue got largely powercrept by other classes

#

in defensiveness over the last few expacs

bright turret
#

feint being taken off the GCD was massive imo

#

i know a few other specs have it, but cheat death is godlike in raiding atleast

waxen oyster
#

it was

waxen oyster
#

besides fire having caut+alter

#

alter still requires brain input but its one of the best things

real pike
bright turret
#

elusiveness is still great in M+ too, as long as you remember to feint

waxen oyster
#

me when i use evasion for magic dr in raid

#

then get meleed by an add

shell crater
#

I wonder what corruption thing we’ll be using in .5

bright turret
#

i lowkey love my evasion raid CD in raid

royal lantern
#

3k

am i turning into a m+ andy

pls somone end me quick

bright turret
#

missed having it as sub

waxen oyster
#

i mean sub has a flat 5% dr

haughty flicker
waxen oyster
#

due to the trickster node

bright turret
#

my brain doesnt care

royal lantern
#

cant complain about that

bright turret
#

gimme that 20% magic reduc during sprocket intermission

waxen oyster
#

not wrong

runic hinge
waxen oyster
#

i'd rate it up there if

runic hinge
#

Finished my portals already

waxen oyster
#

rune carved plates from dk didnt exist

runic hinge
#

Over halfway to my key total from the entire s1

hearty seal
#

yeah this season feels decent

#

I didn't mind S1 much either, but I'm new to M+

livid marlin
#

i'm curios as to why my caustic splatter is so low ::P

noble verge
#

Anyone tried the Vicious Venoms in Raid yet? Feels horribly slow

livid marlin
#

OO WRONG

#

PIC

#

Xd

hearty seal
#

it's part of the ambience

#

crank that up

livid marlin
marble hemlock
#

need a bit more context, is that a full dungeon run, what keylevel etc. but first thought would just straightup be low uptime (if you dont mutilate often enough), but that envenom cast-amount also seems kinda low

hearty seal
#

that's pretty low uptime for everything, I think?

livid marlin
#

only +4 first key on the rogue

#

Rookery

marble hemlock
#

the high SD damage makes it seem like a lowkey, yeah. might not get as much value out of it there, especially if you dont mutilate early into the pull for the caustic debuff

bright turret
#

stuff might be dying too fast to really spallter? that's a high % for demise

real pike
#

guys we don't thistle tea with the dry shiv in Lingering Darkness right?

bright turret
#

could just be forgetting to muta ruptured target too

royal lantern
hearty seal
#

nvm, uptime on dots is good

real pike
royal lantern
#

and ofc VV makes you slower

golden loom
livid marlin
#

Ah okaays, ill try record a key next key

real pike
livid marlin
#

i have mouseovers so i might be accidently tabbing wrong target

thorn thorn
#

Thinking is a dps loss

marble hemlock
#

assa just kinda plays quite differentely between a key where most trash dies in ~10seconds, vs one where stuff lives 30+

waxen oyster
#

you didnt have 2x env buff

hearty seal
waxen oyster
#

low keys its very possible you are trying to env

hearty seal
#

by the time you're done with setup, they're dead

waxen oyster
#

into a mob that has no spatter debuff

marble hemlock
#

idk, i never minded it

bright turret
#

love 7 GCD opener on M+ trash before you start AoEing

marble hemlock
#

just stinky for KB but i mean, youre better off not using it at that point

bright turret
#

hope the 20m hp mobs live longer than 5 seconds

livid marlin
waxen oyster
#

if the content is super low you just

marble hemlock
#

SD doing a lot of heavy lifting in lower keys nowadays

waxen oyster
#

garrote garrote rupture

#

ct shiv and let it die to SD

marble hemlock
waxen oyster
#

its very hard to get good spatter value in low keys

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

Never did low keys anymore though

marble hemlock
waxen oyster
#

delves give more runed

#

for time spent

waxen oyster
livid marlin
#

what im struggling with it noticing when my doots are falling off

#

because i have to tab all to reaaply with my wa i use

west crown
#

!wa

livid marlin
#

this one

prisma monolithBOT
livid marlin
#

luxthos one

bright turret
#

you might want a plater type addon

coral ibex
#

you should get a WA that shows scent stacks

bright turret
#

that shows your dots on all the nameplates

spring oasis
#

Hey guys, quick question, do we have a minimum on haste cap? like 5% or smth? Sry im new to Assa 😄

livid marlin
hearty seal
#

hmmm
VV is like -1000-1500 energy over the course of a fight
rough

livid marlin
#

and he shows like 60 dots xD

marble hemlock
#

god this new discord is so fucking ass

bright turret
#

im sure it was filters

west crown
# livid marlin

if things are dying as fast as they are in your low keys, you shouldnt have to reapply in a pull

bright turret
#

or some rogue somewhere can give a profile import to only show what you care about

waxen oyster
thorn thorn
west crown
#

also, should be using vanish as much as possible

royal lantern
marble hemlock
waxen oyster
#

Yes i need to see bonespike on the mob

#

that's very useful information

balmy condor
west crown
faint path
#

Guys which talents we are playing for m+ bleed build but ıdk which one we are gonna change for blindspot?

thorn thorn
marble hemlock
#

it is

#

unbelievably ass

broken sandal
#

how far off ST damage is bleed build now with blindside over hybvrid, is it far behind?

marble hemlock
#

like, why change the fucking color palette

#

of all things

waxen oyster
#

They gave you an option if you wanted to change the theme

subtle tundra
#

LOL

royal lantern
marble hemlock
waxen oyster
#

That being said bleed build does hit shiv more aggressively

waxen oyster
livid marlin
real pike
#

I'm doing something wrong with tea and I don't know what, but it means I only have 1 charge for my DM window which feels wrong

balmy condor
faint path
#

guys which talents u guys prefer for 11-12 keys?

strange sleet
#

hybrid

golden loom
#

the 2nd kingsbane on stix feels bad!!

balmy condor
haughty flicker
runic hinge
#

Did bleed in a floodgate today and it was fine

faint path
#

can u send me hybrid talent code wysoko?

livid marlin
haughty flicker
#

i thought something felt off

balmy condor
#

You get 1 charge back for every kb

real pike
livid marlin
#

for example 2nd boss, cant get to it as got to run

real pike
#

yeah I'm getting energy starved during KB windows

west crown
real pike
#

ot fee;s nad

#

it feels

balmy condor
livid marlin
royal lantern
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange sleet
balmy condor
#

You have shiv which is 30s, tea is 1 min

#

You’re gonna run out of tea obviously

runic hinge
#

Fuck them br*ts

waxen oyster
#

what does bleed even drop for iron wire

#

if you want it

strange sleet
west crown
#

sanguine is what I do

waxen oyster
#

aint no way you're dropping SB as bleed

strange sleet
#

something like that

west crown
#

it does feel bad

#

just didnt know what else to drop

balmy condor
balmy condor
runic hinge
#

Yeha that’s what I did

balmy condor
#

That is not one of them

west crown
#

didnt read it, just had to drop it earlier today for a dfc and freeballed

#

do not reccomend

subtle tundra
balmy condor
#

Yeh dropping a talent that gives you like 8% overall damage directly from bleeds on a build that does nothing but bleeds

#

Probably not great

#

I can see that

subtle tundra
#

even in the most optimal scenario, you'd rather not

livid marlin
#

I can't import the weakarua

#

theres no import at the bottom

golden loom
#

sniping tags on low hp rares in open world, PK bis!

balmy condor
#

It’s a plater

#

So ye

real pike
subtle tundra
livid marlin
#

ohhh

west crown
livid marlin
#

okay

golden loom
subtle tundra
#

ok mister world content

#

sorry

real pike
golden loom
#

ty beast

real pike
#

is it not better then to manual cast tea and not do one for the dry shiv?

#

to have 2 up for cd windows

subtle tundra
balmy condor
spice spire
golden loom
runic hinge
west crown
#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
indigo mulch
#

So close to rank 1 mugzee log 😦

hollow river
marble hemlock
#

its the same shit every time

hollow river
#

like it seems like not that much changed, but it feels omega diffy

marble hemlock
#

some UX/UI designer has to make a new dogshit UI every year to justify his bloated salary by making the UI worse every single time

#

nah its just

west crown
#

make the problem to fix it later

marble hemlock
#

new borders, smaller font on things where it shouldnt be smaller, bigger font where it shouldnt have been

#

like

#

why is the "XYZ" is typing text

#

even smaller

#

this is fucking tiny

hollow river
#

yeah

marble hemlock
#

but then you have a massive (not aligned either) profile bar

hollow river
#

the top bar is quite thick now too isn't it

marble hemlock
#

great alginment there mr. ui designer