assassination

[spice spire]

So 3 embellishments = good

[earnest remnant]

Also I’m Asian so I’m legally allowed to live at parents until 40

[tawdry halo]

And illegally til you’re 60

[gusty mirage]

you're only half

[tawdry halo]

Then it’s probably becomes yours

[earnest remnant]

I turned 27 a week ago

[gusty mirage]

man

you're close

at 30 it's joever

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s closing in to twink death

[gusty mirage]

go to bed reid

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

Make me Adam

[unique mirage]

its telling me to replace stabber with both siponings though

[earnest remnant]

Damn what is this first name flirting

[marble hemlock]

Happy belated birthday!

[dapper halo]

meowdy

[earnest remnant]

Tyty

[dapper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-happy-monday-good-morning-happy-monday-morning-mondays-gif-5553444776281017562

[gusty mirage]

there will not be a stream of my wedding sir

sorry you had to find out this way

[runic hinge]

Happy bday to my goat

[delicate trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[fleet pagoda]

I discovered that if messing up your escape from ice spikes on Mug'zee; cloak won't save you from the 30s stun purgatory

[earnest remnant]

Step behind a random player

The he gets frozen instead

[fleet pagoda]

that would have been the ethical thing to do

our gaols had a small bit of space between them, thought I more efficiently los by going through there than around

turns out my donk is gargantuan and i got stuck, step bro ice spike came to investigate

[indigo mulch]

Is there a big difference not using your CTW stacks (during lingering) and not doing it?

In term of dps i mean

[balmy condor]

neutral

[indigo mulch]

Okay, so i free up one brian cell then.

[dapper halo]

man my wall was such a disappointment

not one sexy trinket

[pliant remnant]

Build the wall

[dapper halo]

be the wonderwall

[coral ibex]

stix cd usage looking like silken court

yuck

[cerulean nest]

hit a 32M lingering envenom during vexie intermission lol

[undone flame]

coude it be worth getting an tracker for pacemaker?

[hearty seal]

god I fucking hate the vault
a support trinket that sucks
and two sets of boots

[undone flame]

it do be like that somtimes

[balmy condor]

no

it's got 50% uptime

[rain berry]

hi, for mythics what are the best embelishments? blessed weapon grip, dawnthread, elemental focusing lens...

[balmy condor]

what would you do with that

[balmy condor]

ascendance + writhing band or weapon grip + dawnthread are equal

embellishments suck ass though

I wouldn't really worry

they're all equally bad

[rain berry]

ooh

okey ty

[undone flame]

idk wait with cds a an few sec i gusse xD

maby im just sleepy af right now

[marble hemlock]

thats fine

im sure there'll be picture and videos and stuff ❤️

[coral ibex]

whoever told me to hold cds until 0:18s on rik reverb

a strong handshake to you

its bis

[dapper zodiac]

if youre uncertain on other bosses just check what lorrgs.io says

basically a easier overview of warcraftlogs

[cinder bone]

to soak the orbs on 2nd boss priory you run in with cloak right?

[haughty flicker]

you cant precloak

can cloak dot off after you soak if you dont die first

[cinder bone]

so if im doing the 3 orb soak i would eat all 3 then cloak?

man we had a 14 timed and the tank tried to pull almost whole room in 2nd boss room

so dumb

[sullen mural]

Ill try that on reclear

hold till 0:18 and send on cd or

[coral ibex]

yes

you get an aoe shiv on a lot of barrel spawns

so pray for good rng

[sullen mural]

I love praying for rng

[hollow talon]

read the pins but just wanted to clarify, so if im running the m+ bleed build w/ blindside, i FoK on 3 or more correct? and if i have a blindside proc i use it on how many target count

[coral ibex]

i had to soak during execute (rip) but i got a 90 otherwise

and it felt good on the barrel spawns

they got smoked

[sullen mural]

I had to hardswap to barrels because my range players cant press their buttons

so so far only blues being done sadge

[coral ibex]

i feel you

that was an issue on prog night

[sullen mural]

best part is when all the melee swap to range barrel and then a melee barrel blows up

prog was something else on that boss

[coral ibex]

are you in my raid? lol

[west crown]

Wowhead explains it better

[sullen mural]

Wow players are all the same innit

[faint path]

Hows our damage after buffs ?

[coral ibex]

big

i crit vexie for 23m with an envenom tonight

[kind ravine]

23 is insane

[coral ibex]

she has a damage amp phase but still

[balmy condor]

Some dude had over 30 earlier

Should check mine

[coral ibex]

feels good to get 2 mega magnet uses during the amps too

i went from doom to boom on it in 1 day

[balmy condor]

aw only 25

[faint path]

can anyone send me new bleed build

[coral ibex]

wowhead

[faint path]

ty

[haughty flicker]

26k

huge

[earnest remnant]

26k

damn u tiny

[marble hemlock]

You're a raccoon. You're tinier

[earnest remnant]

im a big boi

i get fed

[haughty flicker]

its average sized

[coral ibex]

we found out our uhdk has sent 150 gilded crests on 6/6 heroic track pieces

that was a fun time in voice

everyone got to yell at him

[hollow talon]

Wait is that bad if you don't have mythic pieces

[coral ibex]

he has multiple myth track pieces

we're progging mythic and getting full m+ vaults every week

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

and yea i think spending gilded on hero track pieces is always trolling urself

should just save for a 675 craft instead

if you will never see myth track gear drop natty then you're not doing any content that really needs you to be wearing 6/6 hero track pieces rn

[grand trail]

Priory trinket second time in vault, does the game trying to tell me smg ?

[golden loom]

meow...

[hollow talon]

Do I use blindsided procs on 3 target w m+ bleed build

[balmy condor]

No why would you

I mean well

You will automatically

Cause caustic and blindside have the same duration

So you’ll always refresh caustic with any blindside proc you get

But why would you force it

[strange python]

Whisper hi can i msg you a clip

[stable notch]

How is assassination after the buff today?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[stable notch]

Whats the dmg like in raid / mythic? similar to sub?

[balmy condor]

About 5% better

[balmy condor]

If you thought sub was 5% better before

It’s now equal

[stable notch]

Is the wowhead rotation accurate?

Wanna try it out but feel like my dps will be lower since I mess up something for sure

[runic hinge]

why did they change discord, this shit is ugly as hell

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

It’s really easy tbh people just overthink it for no reason

[hollow talon]

Ok wasn't sure so only mutilate/blindside ambush on 2 target or less

[marble hemlock]

Because companies employ people whose only job seems to be to make the ux worse year after year

If they made a really good ui and ux, they'd be out of work after

[woven ruin]

So what is the best way to use Spare keys and HoC?

[balmy condor]

You macro hoc and then cast keys

[hollow talon]

Ok ty

I understand it now

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-it-now-ok-i-understand-it-now-i-understand-it-gurm-bear-gif-4859748791707698675

[dusky vault]

Confirming its neutral/a loss to pool energy to maintain rapid injection in ST?

[subtle tundra]

im about to do that

uwu

[stable notch]

If I check top logs , I see they dont use crimson tempest, why is that

[buoyant herald]

It’s padding

[stable notch]

in wowhead they say to take the spell

[golden loom]

well in what situation

raid or m+?

[runic hinge]

you just wanna send for more DSM cycles for more darkest nights for more envenom for your envenom spec

[stable notch]

Raid

[bleak sun]

Feelin gud

[golden loom]

well you dont really take CT on anything other than Stix in raid

[stable notch]

What about mythic

[balmy condor]

Loss

[dusky vault]

Thanks. But that doesnt make sense to me. If we're energy limited pooling or send immediately should result in the same amount of casts so shouldnt higher rapid uptime be important? Maybe im just over thinking it

[subtle tundra]

😎

[balmy condor]

Problem is we play ttk and so your envenom uptime happens regardless

[subtle tundra]

mythic what

[slate crown]

My thick nuts on your chin gottem

[subtle tundra]

ok

[balmy condor]

varas getting gocked up on a wednesday

blessed

[bronze plover]

morning everyone any idea about this week item craft? I already crafted dagger and wrist

[balmy condor]

whatever you have that's not myth track and still dogshitty ilvl

[subtle tundra]

little does he know im quitting after this week

[bronze plover]

im thinking about crafting neck tbh but dunno about stats crit+haste or crit+mastery as finger of last boss is haste mastery

[balmy condor]

sounds like you're thinking way too much

1. who gives a shit about the difference between that
2. even if we did give a shit about the difference between that, why is the only item to think about the jastor diamond and not like, every piece of gear you're equipping all at once
3. even if we did give a shit and then factored in every piece of gear, what about your gems and enchants
4. even if we did give a shit and then factored in every piece and optimized gems and enchants perfectly, why can't we just recraft the neck to min-max that later? it doesn't cost crests a second time

[subtle tundra]

cool of him to think he is also gonna get jastor

planning around a very rare drop

[runic hinge]

im getting hero version from dungo box 4 sure

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean I could've kept going

[subtle tundra]

mongo box

[round cypress]

Hi all, how do you track improved garrote on target ? Seems like it's the same spell id as normal garrote

[balmy condor]

but I got tired after 4

custom code on wa

you can pull it from any of these

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[round cypress]

tyvm

[bronze plover]

i have it already

[golden loom]

guess im taking myth track weapon over the ToP ring cause goddamn my sim hates mastery

[subtle tundra]

then fuck you for having it

[bronze plover]

thanks

[subtle tundra]

idc what the sim says im getting more mastery

[wide sleet]

Vanish no longer needed with new talents 😮

[bronze plover]

what would be best use of it btw?

[subtle tundra]

not using it

[wide sleet]

IDK anymore, i follow my god emperor @balmy condor .
I'm guessing we can just keep it to dodge mechanics or reapply mark if it drops/target swapping.

[subtle tundra]

its 0 dps so its only used for mark ass he said

[wide sleet]

i love mark

great guy

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-prime-invincible-omni-man-gif-3474718432791073197

i hate him

[balmy condor]

big utility ability

you can use it defensively to dodge uh

the uhhh

[subtle tundra]

yeah that

[balmy condor]

well in

with that

uhhhh

[subtle tundra]

the same as shadowmeld

for that boss

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that's right

you can use it like meld on the thing

from that one boss

[wide sleet]

Can dodge some trash caster mob for sure. Very useful

[balmy condor]

you know the uhhhhh

[wide sleet]

fk it, just unbind vanish. Less buttons to think about

[subtle tundra]

damn

[humble cradle]

for crafting does the quality of the missive matter?

[balmy condor]

no

[tawny geyser]

Are we the new BM hunters now? 😂

[pastel apex]

Why no more vanish?

[slow tulip]

no dps gain with the new talent build

[tawny geyser]

You take Vicious Venoms instead

[quartz trellis]

Only if the crafter has low skill, it just makes it easier to 5 star

However at this point that shouldn’t be a thing

Just uses more conc

[pastel apex]

Ok

[remote shoal]

Sorry I'm sure this has been said, if you wanted to Sub & Assa is there a best middle ground in terms of embelishments?

[golden loom]

well all embelishments kinda suck

so either way ur probably fine

[quartz trellis]

Whatever you crafted already

[golden loom]

ascension + writhing probably cant go wrong

[peak bobcat]

Fuu recommended ascension iirc

[remote shoal]

Dope tyvm peeps

[fast mural]

Shall i go for belt or $
ring not badd too crit prio mast

[balmy condor]

whatever sims as an upgrade

[fast mural]

kezan simcs trash as always

ima sim it for 7 mins for mythic

[balmy condor]

go for it

[golden loom]

bro did a normal cauldron, and last week Mutilate was 2,83% of my damage, this week it was 9,48% + 4,87% from ambush

[quartz trellis]

Bro

[golden loom]

kingsbane in the dirt

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-mad-rock-cute-squint-eyes-gif-1527158283964677241

[runic hinge]

The KB haters from s3 won

[golden loom]

idk this spell is doing obescene damage

[pliant grail]

So how is sin in m+ after buffs? Can we compete in dmg against udh

[faint path]

Can u guys send the talents that u are playing?
for m+

[celest ruin]

heroic house of cards is simming higher than 678 priory for me am i cooked

[golden loom]

sounds like your signet is giving you crit instead of mastery

[runic hinge]

Or maybe verse

Or maybe

Haste

[celest ruin]

nope still mastery, just 2k difference

[golden loom]

[celest ruin]

heroic hoc gives 7957-9726 mastery while 678 signet gives 7755 but 5 sec longer

[golden loom]

the signet also gives way more agi

cause of ilvl

so idk how it could be simming worse

[balmy condor]

link sim

no bitch about sim

without link sim

link sim good

[celest ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5M7vtJiMxa6WGXvdh1y3U3

[sinful wraith]

Is the mastery bonus from tea adaptive or does it snapshot when pressed?

[mental needle]

where is your signet here ?

x)

[celest ruin]

all the way at the bottom

[maiden gale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

it's not giving you mastery

let me fix for you

hold on

might not be fixable

but I will try

[celest ruin]

shouldnt it give mastery? i have 658 right now and its giving me mastery

[balmy condor]

yeah and then your seaforium procs or your flask procs crit

and then what

[celest ruin]

wait that can happen? tf

[balmy condor]

it's crit is it not

[celest ruin]

at first i thought i was capped by gilded/valorstones so i set it all to max and re-simmed. this time hoc beat signet by only 1k dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Hvm1CWiVHsJsfFi8315ja

not sure if it still procs crit here

[grim jay]

Just do a sim with mastery flask or without pacemaker, maybe both

And you should be able to see the diff

[quiet oar]

My Heart would explode without an pacemaker, when ever i see you

[balmy condor]

3 min sims

[grim jay]

Dang babygirl

[celest ruin]

whoops rerunning on 5 mins lol

[quiet oar]

but you wouldnt cuddle with me hahaha

unless?

[grim jay]

Perchance

[balmy condor]

yeh with mastery stuff it's equal again

all things right in the world

you're just getting cucked a lil by having too much crit

[stable notch]

Can someone help me with single target rotation / dps? I just tried a mythic run +7 priory, my aoe dmg was more than fine but my boss dmg is like 1.2 mil?? while aoe is 5 mil steady

total overal but then bosses

Like what

[grim jay]

Sin has lower St dmg

Thats just how it is

[stable notch]

but people raiding getting way more boss dmg

[coral ibex]

they're in raid talents

[grim jay]

Because different talents?

[quartz trellis]

lol, different talents

[coral ibex]

[quartz trellis]

😂😂😂

[stable notch]

That big a diff? of course I know they are in raid spec

[grim jay]

Well try to run a key in raid talents

And look at your aoe

[stable notch]

will be shit then ;p

What you guys getting on bosses for single target dps?

[buoyant burrow]

1.5 ish

In m+

[eager plaza]

In raid fights do you dot up ads or just cleave with spatter?

[coral ibex]

only rupture ads that will live for 8ish seconds

otherwise its just a waste of energy and cp

spatter good

[buoyant burrow]

Probably a question that has already been answered quite a few times, given we have quite a lot of pretty large pulls this season, do we aim to rupture and garrote every guy or just get 5 to 7 out and start our caustic spam ?

[golden loom]

5 ruptures is all you really care about, garrotes u can spread more of while IC is active

[novel arrow]

how long does our 4set last?

[buoyant burrow]

Yeah so just enter caustic spam ASAP then

Thanks

[golden loom]

10 seconds, tooltip saying 4 seconds is wrong

[eager plaza]

So you can just rupture the prio target 2-3 times and it will spread on its own to the amount you suggested?

[golden loom]

pretty much, can also do some mouseover stuff if you want

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[grand night]

anybody knows the name of the WA who tracks garrote and ruptures on pulls ?

like this

[grim jay]

Its kinda useless

[subtle tundra]

yes its a problem with assa

shit spec shit game

[white holly]

thinking of trying bleed build in +10-11s. Does anyone know if it performs better than hybrid in those key levels?

[balmy condor]

probably does yes

[grim jay]

Unless your group has like no ST already

And you just double down

[coral walrus]

@balmy condor on the wowhead talents per boss we dont have VV specced, i get that now we need that? ( i see that in your overall raid st talent build you have it)

[balmy condor]

the per boss talents have vv specced as well

they're the same talents

[uneven summit]

oh my, seaforium myth mhmmm

blindside bleed drops kingsbane+dragon-tempered?

[nova shadow]

Guys is 4/6 hero vers/mastery helm or set helm with socket 4/6 hero

[timid haven]

Quick question guys...If we are running hybrid do we maintain CT on bosses in keys or is that just bleed build?

[fierce sigil]

Even with Bleed Build i wont use ct in Single Target 🤔

[coral walrus]

We should be getting VV in m+ now?

[quiet oar]

Just like me

frfr

[warm vessel]

How do bleed and hybrid builds differ in m+? Is hybrid good aoe bad ST and bleed is great aoe and piss poor ST?

[balmy condor]

hybrid is more kingsbane/caustic, bleed is more spread out and well... bleed damage

[warm vessel]

Are they comparable in DMG though? Especially ST coz aoe they should both be fine

[balmy condor]

bleed is 1-2% behind in st and like 2-4% ahead in aoe

[warm vessel]

Thanks. Much appreciated.

[brisk path]

question regarding opener - according to this we do not press garrote at all in single target, especially now that we dropped imp. garrote and do not have ss specced
arent we losing dps for mark then?

[pliant remnant]

You see

We do press Garrote in single-target

according to that

[balmy condor]

flowchart hard

[gentle gyro]

[pliant remnant]

ayyy gz

[balmy condor]

you have to cast garrote to get to the split don't you

how are you skipping garrote in that

[brisk path]

ah, the mutilate is not replacing garr, my bad

flowchart indeed hard

[nova shadow]

Guys the head without socket with vers/mastery sims slighlty higher but I'm feeling guilty for not taking set piece with socket what do you think

[grim jay]

I personally think you should sim

And take that

[nova shadow]

Sim wise I should be taking the first helm

[grim jay]

You will get sockets eventually

Also myth head is better than socket

[nova shadow]

they are both 4/6 hero

[grim jay]

No I mean as in

[golden loom]

I mean whats the sim difference

like 0,1%?

[limpid jackal]

Hey everybody, could u help me out on this. Do i even want the head piece ? It has Avoidence on it.

[grim jay]

Myth head is accessible

[agile fossil]

The mega magnet trinket is simming giga high for me , is it bugged ? ( asking bcs i have the suspicious energy drink , and they are both supposed to be A tier on wowhead but magnet sims like 400k higher )

[coral walrus]

i swear i dont see where we are supposed to garotte if not specced into SS. (i guess somwhere before DM but i dont see on the graph)

[pliant remnant]

TEMPO

[nova shadow]

diff is 15k dps in dungeon slice

[golden loom]

"not specced into ss" means that you have to use a builder AFTER the garrote

(if ambush doesnt crit)

[pliant remnant]

Right there

[grim jay]

Verdammtes Antlitz des spektralen Glücksspielers

[pliant remnant]

That's where you're supposed to Garrote

[coral walrus]

oh, i realise now

[pliant remnant]

[coral walrus]

it s not a this or that

is more of a , use this if that

[pliant remnant]

Can we not follow simple lines, people

[golden loom]

cause if you have ss you get more combo points from the garrote which lets you rupture instantly regardless of ambush crit RNG

[pliant remnant]

[coral walrus]

you smart boi

[pliant remnant]

I'm really not

and that's exactly the point

[blazing pumice]

is fok still 2t in m+ build?

[runic hinge]

Pins

[grim jay]

Fun thing is I told Whispyr people wont be able to, but you cant do it foolproof with the tool

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

It’s cause we’re all fools

[pliant remnant]

i linmke spamghemti

[coral walrus]

The graph would've looked the same if you had to swap one for the other, it s not explicit, if you do not know the talents. If you know the talents you understand. (now i get it because we are not having full cp you need to add a mutilate, but a new player would 110% not get that)

[brisk path]

fixed it

[coral walrus]

ya, to that i d udnerstand more, but to the original one, it feels like "a different path" rather than adding something.

[balmy condor]

yeah if only I could do that

[alpine falcon]

so guys.

eye of kezan or energy heroic

energy sims higher

[grim jay]

Eye sucks

Fuck eye

[balmy condor]

I wish the timeline tool

wasn't hot shit

[grim jay]

(only based opinion)

[balmy condor]

so I could actually make it readable

but alas

[alpine falcon]

well considering i play all 3 rogue specs

ithink iwant eye

[coral walrus]

it still helps me (and i guess many others) so gucci ^^

[grim jay]

Drink is better for both sin and sub

Unless 6+ mins

Outlaw sucks

So who cares

[coral walrus]

Yooo, dont talk like that about our outlaw cousins

[grim jay]

Id rather have no Cousins

[coral walrus]

You dont choose your family

[teal patrol]

Guys does the m+ talent build change with the mutilate and ambush buffs or should I use the same?

[runic hinge]

Pins

[grim jay]

More effort

[grim jay]

You should read the pins

[runic hinge]

Read the first pinned message

[teal patrol]

Thanks!

[grim jay]

See

He appreciates it

[runic hinge]

It is almost sleep time

[grim jay]

Imagine sleeping at 9:25 am

Smh my head

[runic hinge]

Effort is low

It is 4:25 am

[grim jay]

Fake

[zinc creek]

guys do i take diff talents now, sorry if this been asked

[grim jay]

You do read the pins

[zinc creek]

oh where is that

[runic hinge]

It was asked like 10 lines ago

[zinc creek]

yeah but i dont understand where are those pins :x

[runic hinge]

Are you on mobile or pc

[zinc creek]

pc

[runic hinge]

Should be towards the top right

Looks like that

[zinc creek]

oh i see it okok

thanks

[runic hinge]

No problem. Any recent updates will be covered in there for the future

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[sharp isle]

Anyone got the new talents that we play?

[thorny kraken]

man this new energy management with vicious venoms is something i gotta get used to 😛

[wide sleet]

No. Talents are fake, dont worry

[blazing parcel]

Fok conditions change

guys Fok ?

whats Fok ?

[lyric vale]

Welcome to my life fella

[neat jacinth]

Is the Trashmasters cloak bad for assa cause of full vers?

[wet wharf]

sim

[lyric vale]

Fan of knife maybe

[balmy condor]

what new energy management

[thorny kraken]

primarily the increased energy use of mutilate

[runic hinge]

Are you for real

[blazing parcel]

Fok conditions change slightly with Vicious Venoms < What Fok exacly?

[rare plank]

Hi guys! I'd like to ask a question. Can I equip 2 Everforged stabber at the same time? (assa rogue)

[balmy condor]

fan of knives

[balmy condor]

yeah but you don't play differently

[thorny kraken]

true, i just gotta slow down haha

[zinc frost]

What do you mean by this, you just press your buttons. Energy goes up you press them again

[blazing parcel]

Oh tnx

[runic hinge]

Yes but you should craft something other than offhand dagger as it isn’t used for anything other than the stats it’s gives which is lower than other pieces

[slow tulip]

to clarify - the raidbot still uses FoK for CtW after the opener, but from my understanding we dont use it at all now for the raid with VV, right ?

[fathom flax]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

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[magic fossil]

guys, this week we have third craft or only on the next one?

[plush hazel]

Hey guys, I just came back to the game, and I noticed they changed the Echoing reprimand which is a bummer as I really liked it. I see the equivalent being "forced induction" and was wondering if I understand well the new mechanic : when I shiv, it seems the supercharger always pops on CP 1 and 2, so if I use finisher on 1, it will be as if it had 4 CP?

[balmy condor]

it's equal

[balmy condor]

it adds +3 cp to whatever your next finish is

there's no mini game attached

simply shiv -> next 2 finishers act as if they have more cp

[blazing parcel]

how much crit we need for new 4piece ?

[agile geode]

100%

[balmy condor]

more than 0, less than 100%

[real pike]

wait it's the next 2 finishers not the next 1?

so I can shiv with 1 stack of DsM left rather than on DN?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[blazing parcel]

so crit have move value than mastry now ?

[real pike]

I really should actually read what my things do

[agile geode]

There's no secondary stats cap or stuff like this nowadays, Simply sim

[balmy condor]

you want more mastery for signet

[balmy condor]

what did you think 2/2 supercharge did

[plush hazel]

oh, so it's not as before, when you had to make finishing move exactly on the shiny combo point, it can be with how many CP I want?

[grim jay]

Not entirely true

[blazing parcel]

so is it better we run for crit flask ? or?

[grim jay]

Crit will always have a hardcap of 100%

[balmy condor]

yes, it just passively triggers on your next 2 finishers

[plush hazel]

cool thanks a lot

[balmy condor]

I mean technically not true, you can go higher than that

[real pike]

more 'bonus' combo points on the one use ig

[balmy condor]

it just doesn't provide any benefit

[real pike]

I am not a smart man

[balmy condor]

yeh that's forced induction

[grim jay]

Ye in terms of actual stat amount you can, but does wow Display more than 100% crit?

[real pike]

well that makes sense

[balmy condor]

yep

it would just keep going

gear cap is 126%

[grim jay]

So warframe crit system coming soon confirmed

[plush hazel]

Will it also work if I finish at 7 CP (count as 9 finisher scaling accordingly?)

[grim jay]

We go for orange and red crits

With higher multipliers

[balmy condor]

yes, and that's the core concept behind one of the optimizations we do in raids

[grim jay]

Real question Whispyr. If I drank a Monster and my tummy hurts

I just drink a second one right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

Good. I'm currently also debating if I add the pre-workout booster into the Monster can or if I mix them in a shaker

700mg caffeine in 500ml sounds like a blast

[tired finch]

yo guys, we agree on that i take house of cards here right? it does say that the signet is better but its also 7 ilvls higher than hoc

[real pike]

sim all at 658 ilvl

[grim jay]

Signet should be better if it procs mastery

Hoc is good if you plan on playing sub aswell tho

[tired finch]

hmm

[real pike]

if you already have a decent on-use but not passive, the seaforium is better

also screw you for having that vault

[grim jay]

Seaforium is equipped

[real pike]

how are you all getting these trinkets

[grim jay]

Farming keys

[real pike]

oh I thought that was the top row of the vault

I was madge

[slow tulip]

i got it by only doing 32 x floodgates

[real pike]

yeah it's another day of floodgates for me

[grim jay]

I just got it on the second run or something

[real pike]

shouldn't turn my nose up at mythic tier but just give me a bloody trinket ffs

[grim jay]

Same with priory

[grim jay]

I hate getting mythic tier ngl

I already have 2

[warm vortex]

Omg this new discord UI is horrid

[grim jay]

Just use your phone

[cinder grotto]

Is it me, or does Deathmark reset the stacks on Junkmaestro's Trinket?

[wet wharf]

On a boss that spwns a few adds, For example gally when he spwns two adds when he's at the outerside of the platform. Should you rupture/garrote said adds?

[manic sphinx]

I think it's worth if the adds last 8sec or more

[grim jay]

Did you maybe

Put the magnet into the slot you have macroed to your DM

[cinder grotto]

omg lol that's slightly embarrassing 😄

[grim jay]

Its alright

Have seen worse

[cinder grotto]

I just got back from about a years break, and my previous trinket must have been a mastery trink lol

Do we basically just use Junkmaestro's on fresh packs in M+? Is there any point to charging up more?

[grim jay]

You ideally wanna use it after deathmark ends

That aside, probably close to max stacks if you dont DM anytime soon

[cinder grotto]

Okay so close to max and after DM expires (within 30s).

[grim jay]

I honestly dont know how fast it stacks

Its just sitting in my bag rn and buffs just hit today for EU

[blazing parcel]

Should we use shiv before [Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet] ?

[cinder grotto]

Okay it's kind of slow I think, maybe 2-3 mins for full stacks?

[grim jay]

Which would fuel into the after DM logic

[grim jay]

No doesnt work

Its only a bug that lingering does affect it

[high walrus]

in a hypothetical world where I wanted to play both sub and assa: is it better to craft items with mastery crit or mastery vers

aka is crit worse for sub than vers is bad for assa

or does it literally not matter at all and I should just craft my dagger already

[shy creek]

the latter

[golden loom]

no stat is bad for assa

[shy creek]

the stat budget on those items isnt so hifh thatd it break you to begin with

but also ^ assa enjoys rverything p much

[vagrant lagoon]

time to swap to assa ig

sad i crafted 2 outlaw pieces already

[cedar flicker]

does seforium close with signet, both are tier A of trinket

[static glacier]

they don't compete against eachother

signet is active and seaforium is passive

seaforium competes against mechano amplifier and eye of kezan etc

signet competes with house of cards

[astral oxide]

How important is sudden demise in the m+ build? Would you drop it for more ST? What you think?

[static glacier]

there's other things you'd drop first tbh

10% bleed dmg is pretty strong

[golden loom]

I mean sudden demise gives you ST

its 15% bleed

[astral oxide]

I want to try to get twisted knife and also dashing scoundrel for more ST and energy

But for that I need to drop master assassin and sudden demise

I can’t sin right now that’s why I’m sharing my thoughts here

Sim*

[golden loom]

idk I would never in a million years drop SD in m+

[astral oxide]

Ok

[golden loom]

like if we are dropping SD for more single target, just swap to sub

you would drop sanguine blades instead

or bonespike/doomblade

[astral oxide]

I don’t like sub tbf

Sanguine blades is not enough to drop cuz I can’t access the lower talents

[golden loom]

just gotta accept that sin isnt gonna do amazing ST in m+ no matter what you do

[astral oxide]

🥲

[golden loom]

but also dont we play M+ to do big fkin aoe

[manic sphinx]

finally getting there! Just a priory 10, but the healer is like 3.2k io - so the tank just kept pulling crazy. man, my previous highest overall is only like 3m, haha

maybe its our buffs this week, haha

[astral oxide]

That’s a big overall. My highest there was 3.9M yet. But before buffs.

[manic sphinx]

definitely not normal for me, haha - but it just felt smooth where all big pulls lined up with 2 mins

maybe i need to give more credit to the tank

[rancid nimbus]

did you play hybrid or bleed ?

[neat jacinth]

Is the "stat prio" (i know there is none really, just sim) different for bleed or hybrid?

[balmy condor]

no

[manic sphinx]

ok, raid tonight, time to rewatch your vid on changes 😄

[high walrus]

any rotational changes with 4set or anything that needs tracking?

[kindred imp]

damn the dps is goodish, but the spec slowed down again....starved of energy yet again cause VV. plays pretty poorly in raid after changes 😦

[undone flame]

Whare thsre more chances then those buff that im unaware of?

[neat jacinth]

Do we sim latest or nightly?

[grim jay]

No

[grim jay]

Class and trinket buffs, both in the pins

[grim jay]

Nightly

[analog field]

Guys i have in vault HoC heroic Tier heroic ( i am now 3/4 without the vault) and mythic signet. The 4piece obviously sims a little better than mythic signet but i am thinking that from raid i will be able to get a piece. WHat do you think i should get

[spice spire]

I’d get myth signet personally

[analog field]

Yeah i am on the same boat , my concer is that i had it already so maybe it's a bit of a waste but probably for future proofing shit vaults i should get it now

[marsh raven]

myth signet 100%

that will likely last you the season

4p is not that hard to get with catalyst and whatnot, you will get it eventually (and by eventually I mean if you breach 2k you can probably have it this week)

[analog field]

yeah i fucked up a catalyst charge and that's why i dont have it (also a bit unlucky with the rolls)

[wary light]

Always take an item that you have no guarantee of seeing drop again and will be your BiS for the entire season.

You WILL see tier, even if you need to jam on an LFR piece for now.

[analog field]

ty all

[nova shadow]

Guys do you dot everything on bigger pulls or its always only 2 ruptures and proceed with spatter envenoms

[blazing pumice]

you always want 5 ruptures

up

you garrote until ic runs out

on larger pulls you don't want to be spending gcds rupturing every mob even with ic up

[nova shadow]

ty

[crisp stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[warm vortex]

This bitch literally just asked me to put 5 handfuls of sludge in and 1 hotdog

What a potion

[wide ferry]

Bleed build? crazy numbers

[manic sphinx]

Nope, not bleed build - hybrid

[royal lantern]

its latest :3

[royal lantern]

til: my cooking skills count as Alchemy

[manic sphinx]

Man, all my luck coming in this week. I just got Eye of Kezan from weekly cache. But I picked up mythic seaforium ealier from vault :/ ....eye of kezan isn't simming higher

[versed mica]

Hybrid or bleed tends to sim better?

[indigo mulch]

Hybrid sims better in dslice

[manic sphinx]

Do I just not use my eye of kezan? 😦

[versed mica]

you can use it, you'll just probably do less damage :)

It might sim better in ST tho

[warm vortex]

haha

[manic sphinx]

lol, fair. no, not simming better in patchwrk

[sick scarab]

guys i have a problem simming my gems.. raidbots say i have to go all same gem with +%crit diamond equipped.. it is not supoosed to go wiht diferent colors ?

[warm vortex]

Also just gonna put smth out there

Just got this

and

This

In the same morning

Just from doing my weeklies
Super lucked out and got them both

[grim jay]

Latest is stinky

[grim jay]

On longer fights

If you progress mythic

It might sim better

Would just use pacemaker tho

[manic sphinx]

ok good point - we are progress mythic, 2/8 so far

But yea, makes sense to just use pacemaker. just feels bad keeping an eye of kezan in bag. good problem to have. wish i got the jastor ring instead 😅

[manic sphinx]

You're right btw - i just simmed an 8min patchwek fight, eye of kezan is better, but it replaces my heroic signet, instead of the pacemaker, lol

[harsh violet]

Are people running bleed build in 10's? feel like i've dropped almost a mil dps cause things are dying too fast*

[real pike]

are we sure about ttb instead of arterial in full ST? arterial sims slightly higher for me - can it be affected by stat distribution/ilvl?

[rotund oak]

well if the bleeds dont tick u dont get any value out of them

assuming u are doing 14+

10s should feel much worse yeah

[harsh violet]

I'm only doing 10's was using caustic build but my overall has massively dropped

[rotund oak]

well that means ur bleeds still dont tick to get value out of them

which means u have to go higher

maybe uve played with some ppl doing more ''aoe''

happens some times

but FYI the higher u go in keys

the more value u get out of ur bleeds

coz the bleeds have time to tick so u gain more value out of them

[harsh violet]

ta, does explain a bit for where i'm likely going wrong

[rotund oak]

u arent rly going wrong in anything,just some blasters blasting

[scarlet orbit]

also dont forget overall is sometimes pretty much missleading in lower keys. It doesnt mater most of the time that the 10 little useless mobs die much faster you still need to kill the big one.

Overall is not perfect measurement for usefull dmg in keys.

[rotund oak]

render ur type of dmg useless

[harsh violet]

In a sense, i'm only using garotte & rupture once and not spreading further

[coral walrus]

Shouldn't you have double garrote double rupture and ct?

wdym by only once?

[rotund oak]

well thats sus

our routine is pretty stable

[coral walrus]

you use bleed build but you dont spread bleeds? :))

[harsh violet]

no, i said i was using caustic build

[coral walrus]

Ah, still in caustic i think you need double garrote double rupture in AOE

[rotund oak]

by caustic u mean hybrid spatter?

[vagrant lagoon]

always double garrote and rupture opener

[coral walrus]

Rupture gives you agi, garrote gives you energy back.

[midnight scroll]

hey everyone, i've seen that the raid talent builds go atrophic, but m+ go numbing, any reason for that? and is it viable to go atrophic in m+?

[blazing pumice]

because overall tank damage is from being meleed by mobs

mobs hitting 18% slower is significantly more damage reduction than 3.8%

and numbing can take some of the stupid out of interrupts

[small cairn]

!fuu

[rotund oak]

both rupture and garrote give u energy if they tick on a poisoned tarrget(check venomous wounds)

[prisma monolith]

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[rotund oak]

not only garrote

[charred summit]

!fuu

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[quasi coyote]

if im not running master assasin do i just vanish when i need it for bleeds or b4 deathmark?

[robust axle]

Do we use CT on singletarget in m+ with the bleed build btw?

[royal lantern]

yes

[humble verge]

man, someone i know got eye of kezan in the weekly chest 😭

[rotund oak]

got it on my mage as well

[humble verge]

[rotund oak]

need mugzee jug

to pop off

[royal lantern]

i need eye of kezan for those 2:40min fights

[rotund oak]

isnt supposed kezan to be mediocre

for us that is

coz for mage is gigastrong

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

yes, thats the joke

the trinket needs LONG fights

outside of them its not great

[rotund oak]

still on whispyr's raid bis list

i hate bis lists

F them

[marsh raven]

for trinkets especially it is a bit weird

[rotund oak]

yup its sus

idk

im also not competing in raids

so whatever for me

[marsh raven]

Just got my House of Card heroic in the vault (fuck mythic items, gimme the +35k dps), so now I don't really care about BiS trinkets either

[rotund oak]

im having a blast on my mage idk

its so fun

playing a mage everyone d@@p thr@@ts u coz u exist

like no reason

u are awesome because u exist

[midnight scroll]

blizzard especially

[real pike]

any thoughts on this chaps?

[rotund oak]

pretty sure whispyr mentions it on vid or his guide

remember reading this

but its not crazy crazy big diff

[viscid spear]

I realized in my stupor last night in raid that because I didn't have Improved Garrote that meant I didn't have to use Garrote on Vanish before DM wore off, so you wouldn't be pressured to use Vanish in the regular rotation, right?
Would it primarily just be to apply Deathstalker to something?

[real pike]

ah ok I'll have a rewatch

yes you can now save Vanish for defensive uses/reapplying DsM

how it should be imo

[viscid spear]

I realized that and eventually broke off from using it to reapply Garrote, instead simply maintaining it through regular pandemic rules.
Felt so much better imo

[thin furnace]

How do we use shiv with bleed build?

[real pike]

yeah I agree, I always stressed trying to apply reg Gar exactly as the imp one ended, trying to allow the last tick but not losing uptime

[trim oak]

guyyssss did they change the scaling of stats overnight?

I have less crit and more mastery with the same equip of yesterday

[golden loom]

scaling of stats? 😄

[real pike]

oh that I don't know about

[golden loom]

why would that change

[scarlet summit]

Where i can find the Hybrid Build? 😅

[trim oak]

idk, am I getting crazy?

[thorny kraken]

i have 4% less crit then yesterday

same gear

[trim oak]

same brruuuuu

4% less crit and 8% more mastery

same gear

[thorny kraken]

jup

[red schooner]

the era of mid vaults continues

[golden loom]

maybe you had flask or buffs when you checked yesterday idk

[thorny kraken]

nope

[trim oak]

maybe a change in stats on specific items we both have? idk I'm checking around

Glad I'm not the one noticing that tho

[subtle tundra]

check your ring

the one that gives you stats

it is probably that one changing what stats

i want smelly feet

[viscid spear]

My slow ass kept getting hit by Pay Line last night

[bold schooner]

thinking to craft 675 necklace, what do you guys think

[mint valve]

craft a mythic house of cardds

[bold schooner]

imagine :d

[plain fiber]

man there is just os many buttons to remember.

I should use envenom on single target, and crimson on 3+ target right?

[rancid raft]

which SimC versions are you guys using? weekly tells me to pick Mythic head, nightly to pick HC house of cards

[bold schooner]

Im using DungoenSlice weekly

[grim jay]

Never weekly

Always nightly or latest

[hollow imp]

anyone else got noggenfogger simming higher than signet?? XD

at lower i level aswell

[drifting cloud]

use latest simc version

[hollow imp]

ohh, woops thanks

[humble verge]

well, time to pick up my first socket this week

[bold schooner]

so bad 😄

worst I guess

@humble verge

[lean plover]

crit mastery hands tho

[humble verge]

already got tier

[stuck jacinth]

Tier gloves is ideal offpiece right

[lean plover]

myth track boots?

[humble verge]

no its chest afaik

[lean plover]

or do u have crafted ones

[humble verge]

no i have crafted cape

but i ALSO

got boots last week :)

[stuck jacinth]

Crit mastery hands seems good but maybe

[bold schooner]

I had 7 socket for vault, just got a Helmet without socket 😄

[humble verge]

the thing is

the tier hero helmet there is with a socket

but its still sims worse

[lean plover]

well then your vault was trash ye

[humble verge]

i did ask RL to get in on rik instead of carnage this week

but no answer

[lean plover]

i got a myth tier piece from all 3 vaults so far

[humble verge]

wanna get myth tier shoulders

[lean plover]

head hand legs

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[plain fiber]

After i have stealthed and used garrote - rupture, what if th tank keep pulling more, i cant spread the rupture again can i _

[royal lantern]

why

does it remove rupture from your bars

[grim jay]

Not enough info

Situation unclear

[fleet walrus]

Use Vanish

[plain fiber]

no but, if there is like 10-15 mobs

ye thats waht i do atm

[lean plover]

just spread ruptures until u cap scent and start envenom

[grim jay]

You only need 5 ruptures

No matter how many targets

[plain fiber]

aha. cus im only 70

[grim jay]

And if he isnt done pulling, dont open

Ew leveling

[plain fiber]

so wiat until he is done pulling then open

[royal lantern]

dont tell me you Rupture all enemys lol

[muted aspen]

Hey! Hello! :)
Should I skip using Fan of Knives proc in single-target DS while running Vicious Venoms?

[trim oak]

Yes it looks like FoK is now out of the single target rotation

[royal lantern]

yes

[pastel roost]

Man gotta say, skeptical at first but it's nice to have beefy mutilates

[plain fiber]

i tried tro

[royal lantern]

dont

rupture/garrote dont do dmg

[plain fiber]

so if he continues to pull, and vanish is on cd

[royal lantern]

they exist for Ressources, your aoe dmg is crimson tempest and cleaving with Spatter

[plain fiber]

aha

[royal lantern]

and get that "i do no dmg without stealth" stuff right out of your head, its not real

[plain fiber]

nah i noticed i do alot of aoe damage out of stealth

[royal lantern]

stealth makes your aoe setup faster, but thats it, its no big deal

[plain fiber]

my group kicked me.. they didnt like me

[spare cradle]

The few times I've tried Shadowstepping Gallywix I've often ended up away from the boss. I'm guessing this is a combination of a large hitbox and boss movement. Any advice on when and when not to use Shadowstep during this encounter?

[royal lantern]

his anchor point is placed wrong

[robust axle]

Shadowstep to players, not the boss

[royal lantern]

and OFC they didnt fix it yet

[dapper cradle]

It’s kinda based tho

If you fall into the middle and step

You save yourself insta

[dense cove]

Is this new raid assa rotation insanely one dimensional or am I crazy? No need to vanish or consume CTW since playing VV? Just keep up bleeds, ambush, pool before kingsbane?

[dapper cradle]

New raid assa is even more snoozer than before

Certified ZZZ spec

[kindred imp]

and afk while energy starved after u gulp all the tea.

[dense cove]

lol trueeeee

[kindred imp]

good dps numbers, slow and boring af atm in raid

[grim jay]

Only because they fixed you killing yourself with step in the first place

Tho

[dapper cradle]

Hi zold

[grim jay]

The other stuff didnt really add depth

[dapper cradle]

[static glacier]

this buff hitting, 10 floodgate

[dapper cradle]

Floodgate is a banger assa dungeon

[grim jay]

Its a slow spec by default

It just got faster for once

[dapper cradle]

At least first half

[subtle tundra]

whats the difference in dps between the 2 choices

[hardy crypt]

jfc i forgot how slow assa feels with ttk on single target

[subtle tundra]

what does ttk have to do with it

[static glacier]

ngl mage is a much better player than me over 3.2k but this spec just pads

[hardy crypt]

not ttk

[static glacier]

he means vv

[hardy crypt]

im dumb

yeah vv

[subtle tundra]

oh

good

[static glacier]

smh when bro has been ww so long he hears what they say, not what they mean

[grim jay]

My groups always lack ST so I mainly play sub.

[royal lantern]

you are a sub

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

MEOWWWWWWWWW

[grim jay]

Im glad both rogue specs are good

[gusty mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[kindred imp]

i know, im not expecting sub lvl speed, but the flow was ok before the focus on VV, now its back being super slow. Though sim dif between running VV and not running it is 1.4%...maybe VV isnt worth it that much

[grim jay]

@balmy condor whats the apm diff between VV and the previous build

[iron vapor]

Agree, hitting a different button for building every now and then and once every 2 mins hitting vanish before refreshing garotte.

[gusty mirage]

If you DM me a profile to use I can run the sims

[grim jay]

I could aswell, but I'm at work on my phone

[gusty mirage]

Omg twins?

[grim jay]

I wish I were as georgeous as you

[gusty mirage]

Maybe you should link in the mirror king

[kindred imp]

VV sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ghy3aKRMWnEEqSp7sKQHwE
previous build sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/obSPXpiscdoTdy19uKpczR

[gusty mirage]

Because sheeeeeesh

[iron vapor]

That's a very small percentage difference, is it worth it for the drudgery of the VV build?

[royal lantern]

sub is literally the same Speed mate lol

[gusty mirage]

6apm

Noticeable tbh

[royal lantern]

why do people complain about assa speed and then say sub is ok

[gusty mirage]

That’s 1 action every 10s

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

Because sub doesn’t feel slow in CDs

Whereas assa feels slow all the time

[royal lantern]

assa doesnt either?

[gusty mirage]

It’s a feel thing

[royal lantern]

you have infinite energy during cds aswell

[gusty mirage]

Compared to sub it 100% does

[normal mist]

Just spam your mutilate between casts

I press mutilate 55 times between each cast

[royal lantern]

and then go dry outside of them, which is the same with sub

[grim jay]

Ive heard even Marilyn Monroe said that if you were more well known at the time, you wouldve been the sex symbol

[plucky canopy]

Sub has more off gcd Buttons which makes it feel faster I guess

[dapper cradle]

Sub during cds is way faster than assa in any part of its rotation

[quiet oar]

Im glade you guys still can can feel

I feel nothing anymore

[gusty mirage]

I feel immense love for you and Akio

[dapper cradle]

If you’re playing sub at assa speed in cds you’re cooked king

[quiet oar]

We love you too Oxi

[grim jay]

Its kinda worse on sub

Or atleast feels worse

As in slower

[quiet oar]

Sub is like

waiting 2 seconds on Energy

to Backstba

and get +1 cp

[kindred imp]

worth losing for 1.4% increase of dps? :? dont think so

[quiet oar]

Feels sometimes like Classic to play Sub

[gusty mirage]

That’s a personal decision tbh, 1.4% isnt anything to laugh at but also if you’re actually miserable playing it. Fuck the 1.4% ya know

[drifting cloud]

bro what

[royal lantern]

bro its a energy spec, its has a static 1sec gcd

you press the off gcd stuff once and then its a ability every second aswell lol

sub doesnt have 20off gcd abilitys it spams all the time during cds

[gusty mirage]

The real way to increase APM is to spam detection in downtime

[dapper cradle]

Not about the literal gcd, but your loop is a lot tighter with cp resets

Sin you’re still just sitting there like a boomer at a casino

[gusty mirage]

(I used to spam detection to proc infinite stars, I’m a cheater)

[drifting cloud]

maybe whispyr needs to TC max apm assa build

thats within like 20%

[kindred imp]

what?

[royal lantern]

like, assa and sub speed is overall not different, cus both have faster burn windows and then big lows after them

and subs lows are even lower then assa lows lol

[dapper cradle]

We need a sub optimal giga apm build

[gusty mirage]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[versed gulch]

Isn't that just Outlaw?

[tawdry mica]

Do we keep arterial in raid if it's only 2 targets? Like Cauldron
or would ttb be better

[royal lantern]

so its not faster but....somehoe faster? what the fuck are you talking mate

[dapper cradle]

Literally doing exceptionally in raid and keys rn

[versed gulch]

Yeah, but it's suboptimal because my old hands hurt after playing it for an hour

[gusty mirage]

I mean it's 8apm faster and has more off gcd buttons

[dapper cradle]

l2read king. assa and sub probably both average out to something similar outside of cds, but sub has pockets of much higher activity in its cd windows

[royal lantern]

those offgcd buttons are literally the 8apm

[gusty mirage]

more variety of buttons to press + slightly faster apm = it feels faster

vs mutilate which takes almost 1/5th of your energy bar

and relying on your bleeds ticking for 90% of your energy regen

[royal lantern]

did you play sub recently?

[gusty mirage]

does that matter

legit question

like just looking at the APM, sub is hovering around 57, assa is at 48 and change

[dapper cradle]

the sin cope is crazy holy

[royal lantern]

a bit cus sub outside of its cds is really fucking energy starved rn

[subtle tundra]

no deeper stratagem/sanguine stratagem build

[eager condor]

Assasin felt pretty good lastnight on first two mythic

[subtle tundra]

5 max cp, just press buttons

[dapper cradle]

5 cp as god intended

[gusty mirage]

sub outside of CDs has been energy starved since the rework

[subtle tundra]

preach

[versed gulch]

Also, uncommon Blizzard W. But if our we're arguing about 6 APM between two specs I like where we are at the moment.

[gusty mirage]

8apm isn't insubstantial

[royal lantern]

ye it has, but it got even more so in tww cus they put more power into dance windows

which ofc makes sense