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thorn fjord
golden loom
m+ done for the seasons 😎
crisp stream
!up
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red schooner
m+ done for the seasons 😎
same, just need to do the 8 weeklies for vault and i'm chilling
sand sigil
ok and this find the weakness or this fok proc wahtever it is
on ST or no just 3t?
hybrid build not bleed
m+
coral ibex
always use CTW proc unless talented into vicious venoms talent
which you never are in m+
dapper cradle
on ST or no just 3t?
yeah consume the CTW fok proc on ST in keys
gusty mirage
ok and this find the weakness or this fok proc wahtever it is
Welcome back James, we missed you
sand sigil
Welcome back James, we missed you
LOTS TO CATCH UP ON
coral ibex
congrats on the degree 
charred summit
Good amount of stats for raid AND what sigil do i have to put on boots guys 🥺🥺
coral ibex
read wowhead guide
short delta
Hoy, is there a need to track the buff from evenom ? (which boost poison application)
golden loom
Hoy, is there a need to track the buff from evenom ? (which boost poison applica...
not really, in raid you have 100% uptime anyways
charred summit
read wowhead guide
Aight
They Will probably say what Stat priority I have to follow
short delta
not really, in raid you have 100% uptime anyways
thanks, tahts what i thought i have it pretty much all the time and theres not much decision making around it
charred summit
But not x amount
gritty laurel
in M+ single target you still want to refresh envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it since you don't take TTK
coral ibex
But not x amount
why do you think that is
if the guide doesn't tell you what amount of a stat to get
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
coral ibex
coral ibex
bro read the message
gritty laurel
that's the neat part: you don't
coral ibex
read
coral ibex
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" a...
read this
am i getting baited
gritty laurel
shh, don't let him know about the secret 38.475% haste breakpoint
gonna get us nerfed
copper hazel
sure
gritty laurel
if that's what the sim tells you, then yes
i feel like you're having trouble with the comprehension part of this though
coral ibex
i swear you are just not reading
the message
there is no short answer with get x % of y stat
sim yourself
copper hazel
coral ibex
cause your pc
charred summit
From my cellphone
coral ibex
discord is a website
gritty laurel
who let a boomkin in here ffs
short delta
in M+ single target you still want to refresh envenom in pandemic instead of spa...
not sure i get what you mean ?
charred summit
You're being rude without know my Situation AND supposing everything
gritty laurel
!pandemic
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Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
digital spindle
not sure i get what you mean ?
just means don't spam Envenoms in M+ single target, just wait until the buff is about to drop off (outside your CD windows anyway)
short delta
ok
gritty laurel
you can, but it's optimal to maximize envenom uptime by not overlapping as much since you aren't running twist the knife
in raid, TTK makes your uptime not a problem
copper mural
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hollow river
you can, but it's optimal to maximize envenom uptime by not overlapping as much ...
isn't this kinda w/e now
if sims aren't pushing for envenom uptime anymore
gritty laurel
maybe, i was under the impression that it was still a minor gain for M+ single target
spice surge
You're being rude without know my Situation AND supposing everything
I have a hard time beleiving that wow and discord would be usable on your computer but raidbots.com wouldnt be.
But again, the question youre asking about what percentages of stats you should have is a completely meaningless question and will provide you with literally no value even if you were to get somebody to make up an answer for you
white holly
can the pirate from the noggen elixir trinket die to AoE or some shit? I swear sometimes I pop it and he does 0 damage
hollow river
maybe, i was under the impression that it was still a minor gain for M+ single t...
i'm not sure tbh
dapper cradle
can the pirate from the noggen elixir trinket die to AoE or some shit? I swear s...
there are bugs with how it is attributed in details
sometimes it's not listed as damage coming from you
white holly
ah lmao
dapper cradle
it's a separate entity that doesn't get logged by details
hollow river
it can also die yes
white holly
it can?
hollow river
yes
digital spindle
so is this meaning you're just running to 0 energy with mut/envenom spam?
hollow river
it isn't working on details/logs a lot of the time, but it can also die
hollow river
so is this meaning you're just running to 0 energy with mut/envenom spam?
idk, i'm definitely not caught up on the most recent pve stuff. just knew i saw that in the pins.
livid marlin
Hey guys, so I'm level 71 now, and I have chosen all deathstalker talents, but I was wondering do I have to add rupture or any other spells to my stealth bar?
gritty laurel
fantastic, one less brain cell i need to keep busy
hollow river
Hey guys, so I'm level 71 now, and I have chosen all deathstalker talents, but I...
make your stealth bar the same as your nonstealth bar, other than Ambush
gritty laurel
what trickz said
livid marlin
make your stealth bar the same as your nonstealth bar, other than Ambush
ty ty
short delta
while fighting packs in M+, is it better to focus the mob taht get the serrated spike ?
to get it back sooner ?
or whatever
foggy coyote
while fighting packs in M+, is it better to focus the mob taht get the serrated ...
Stick to your marked target always
red schooner
while fighting packs in M+, is it better to focus the mob taht get the serrated ...
nah just pick the biggest guy and wail on them
short delta
ok
foggy coyote
Yeah try identify the biggest beefiest mob in each pack and cleave off that
gritty laurel
spike is mostly for the initial energy refund to put out big beefy ruptures that you won't have to refresh on the pack
short delta
yea, aside grom the double rupture in the opening, it doesnt really matter which mob hass the spike
hidden torrent
take ironwire and give up spike. ezpz
digital spindle
feels so bad when you ain't got the energy to mut
keen spruce
runic hinge
<a:SCdance:664513443675635732>
violet flint
heyo, has assa been secretly nerfed? i feel so much weaker these last 2 weeks compared to like 3-4 weeks ago
runic hinge
no
violet flint
😦
violet flint
no but seriously, ive been playing the exact same, yet dmg is just lower
hardy rapids
only talent changes to the bleed build in m+ tomorrow correct :3x
kingsbane is the same
sand sigil
ok so whats going on how come when i rupture i get 7 combopoints back?
golden loom
ok so whats going on how come when i rupture i get 7 combopoints back?
Bonespike
sand sigil
i get that i throw a bonespike but that should only be 1cp right?
golden loom
seal fate when they crit and they cleave
hexed frost
ok so whats going on how come when i rupture i get 7 combopoints back?
Game rewards you for playing the superior rogue spec
violet flint
its the serrated bone spike and indiscriminate carnage combo
ocean ore
Game rewards you for playing the superior rogue spec
u guys such a trolls haha
sand sigil
there it is
also basically if u forget to ambush ur like fucked right? its just gg? i mean u get another chance when u vanish but like DO NOT mess that part up ya?
coral ibex
yup
hardy rapids
why is everyone coming back to assa the changes cant be that crazy 
coral ibex
subterfuge talent extends the window you can ambush
hollow river
also basically if u forget to ambush ur like fucked right? its just gg? i mean u...
you can remark with Darkest Night proc
ocean ore
also basically if u forget to ambush ur like fucked right? its just gg? i mean u...
ambush is like jesus, if u forgot him, u will burn in hell
sand sigil
also btw with master assassin are u still just vanishing to make ur kb + dm crit a bunch when u pop cds? for m+ likea 12 mob pull. or is vanish more damage to just efficiently re apply dots in m+ and u dont care about amping the kb
ocean ore
also btw with master assassin are u still just vanishing to make ur kb + dm crit...
both, i always save 1 charge of vanish for fucking pugs chainpulls with 5% health
lilac tulip
I have a question regarding ability sequence in aoe bleed build. Is it correct to shiv straight after i get out garrote, rupture and ct or we get spatter out aswell than shiv or I'm just overthinking it?xD
sand sigil
is there any target count where u just spam ct instead of envenoming? or is it always just maintain ct and then default to spamming envenom if everything already has ruppture
lilac tulip
sending shiv after CT is good yeah
Thank you
storm hedge
Internal bleeding not worth on Cauldron? Is the Clash enough to make Caustic better?
golden loom
yep
storm hedge
And it's not even close I bet with how good caustic usually is right?
storm hedge
Did you try to line up any cds? I think 3rd naturally line up with the clash iirc
coral ibex
kb should line up with the first clash
static glacier
@balmy condor im guessing there's no vod of your rik kill bc of internet cringe right?
legit can't find a single vod of a sin rogue killing it
best I found was warlock pov of a kr guild with a sin rogue
static glacier
you dont swap
seeing rupture dam in logs
static glacier
ye exactly
storm hedge
I found out yesterday you can use evasion to dodge the amplifier dropping down
storm hedge
It's good for the first one which is during cds
raw dock
Hey guys, in Mythic + scenario, do we lost dps changing 2pc+2pc (s1 and s2) to the new 4pc?
coral ibex
losing uptime is bad yes?
golden loom
you dont send cds on pull on mythic rik
static glacier
on pull
golden loom
you send at like 18 seconds
burnt venture
I was watching Whispyr stream and saw he did that lol so have been copying that. Super nice to evasion the slam on Rik while in CDs
coral ibex
that felt so bad when i was doing it
storm hedge
you send at like 18 seconds
Why to cleave adds?
coral ibex
is that to line up after intermissions or something
static glacier
I was watching Whispyr stream and saw he did that lol so have been copying that....
what day was this, the one from like 12 days ago was all like laggy
golden loom
was the only thing that felt good in that fight for me 
static glacier
is that to line up after intermissions or something
adds + intermission denies you a 2min recast of dm anyway
holdingon pull loses you no casts
golden loom
like first adds spawns right around when you send 2nd shiv during dm kingsbane
burnt venture
what day was this, the one from like 12 days ago was all like laggy
It was like an alt run of normal or something I believe. Not mythic Rik
golden loom
so that cleave feels really fkin good if the adds are in spatter range
burnt venture
I was just talking about the evasion tech with the slam
coral ibex
holdingon pull loses you no casts
that doesn't make sense to me, you'd just be using DM after intermission anyway
eager condor
risky take for someone in splatter range!
golden loom
that doesn't make sense to me, you'd just be using DM after intermission anyway
its just for cleaving the adds imo
coral ibex
sending at 0:05 vs 0:18 and 2:18 vs 2:18
static glacier
that doesn't make sense to me, you'd just be using DM after intermission anyway
you hold it for like 15s or so
maybe 20
golden loom
you arent missing a cast so sending it so that adds get hit makes sense imo
storm hedge
that doesn't make sense to me, you'd just be using DM after intermission anyway
it's more like 2:30 intermission is too long
static glacier
I think you can lose a kingsbane right at the end of the fight
but it doesn't seem to matter
golden loom
I mean you get a 2nd kingsbane before intermission anyways?
coral ibex
yea
static glacier
all this is for mythic, on hc feel free to send on pull
coral ibex
yea i'm talking for mythic
golden loom
yeah im talking about mythic
red pawn
does anyone know if bloodmallet sims are updated for the wednesday patch yet
haughty flicker
Yeah they’re talking about mythic
storm hedge
and then you dm right as intermission is over
why not hold for the first adds after intermisison as well
golden loom
why not hold for the first adds after intermisison as well
it does take some time to get bleeds and envenom back up so I think you kinda hit them
spice spire
does anyone know if bloodmallet sims are updated for the wednesday patch yet
Trinket update is live.
So trinkets reflect
coral ibex
fwiw i basically ignored the adds because my hard swap contribution was basically nothing
spice spire
Class tuning is not on yet so it’s not
coral ibex
so my add dam was only caustic and fok
golden loom
we kept wiping to adds and I got swapped out and we still kept wiping
storm hedge
isn't it worth to bleed them for energy to get more boss dam tho?
storm hedge
Gotta look into that, I'm not sure how the math works out on that. thanks for the info
golden loom
its also a global not used on spattering
coral ibex
somewhere in this discord there's proof for why a mob needs to live for 8s for a 5+cp rupture to be worth applying
idk where it is i just know the rule
ancient rain
somewhere in this discord there's proof for why a mob needs to live for 8s for a...
the proof is that rupture lasts much longer than 8 seconds
golden loom
idk if its useful but doin a lil rupture sniping sometimes feels good
coral ibex
it just feels good bc you see ur energy refill but you dont think about the energy you just threw away to do so
storm hedge
Math != feelcraft tho
storm hedge
it just feels good bc you see ur energy refill but you dont think about the ener...
and cps, and globals
golden loom
like if adds are out and you FoK, but dont crit anything and get 1 cp, just doing a lil mouseover rupture before foking again cant be the worst play in the world
also procs bonespike
ancient rain
i do 2p ruptures all the time, especially if they also apply bone spike
ancient rain
cinder bone
damn getting into 12s is slow af
wanton nest
Just double checking, the magnet is our bis trinket now? Or just not as bad?
spice spire
It’s about equal with seaforium
wanton nest
Cool ty!
pure moth
I’m free from flood jail
Same. Free from both already
eager condor
HOC from the timewalking, normal but ill take it
coral ibex
im still rocking the trinket from dawnbreaker
fallow canopy
golden loom
fallow canopy
this guy spent gilded on his pacemaker
myth track :c
digital spindle
you pulled mythic signet and mythic pacemaker in first 3 weeks?
pure moth
Lucky f*cker
digital spindle
that is actually insane
fallow canopy
you pulled mythic signet and mythic pacemaker in first 3 weeks?
what can I say
skill diff ig
haughty flicker
Actual skill diff
I thought I was cool with my myth track signet but I’ve been humbled here today
digital spindle
i didn't pull a mythic skardyn's all season, i'm expecting the same with signet
haughty flicker
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runic inlet
storm zinc
!wa
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
deep gyro
in back to back vaults no less
Gz fu 
vale shore
somewhere in this discord there's proof for why a mob needs to live for 8s for a...
I do it sometimes on big pulls that have gone on way too long to get some energy back when the mob dies. Like a see a mob about to die and throw the last of my energy on a rupture for it
granite sentinel
!fuu
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dapper halo
subtle tundra
somewhere in this discord there's proof for why a mob needs to live for 8s for a...
the proof is that is a rule for sub not assa
viscid spear
Shot me into orange rating 
I don't think I've ever gotten to orange, always been stuck at purple
spice spire
the proof is that is a rule for sub not assa
It’s not worth the damage over an envenom at 8s iirc
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> im guessing there's no vod of your rik kill bc of internet...
Correct
subtle tundra
It’s not worth the damage over an envenom at 8s iirc
ill have you? touched?
like at the dick
spice spire
Okay and?
indigo mulch
Are people actually running CT on rik? o.0
coral ibex
ive skimmed thru ur vod already
ur not pressing CT on the adds half the time
why even bother running it
subtle tundra
holy burned
lunar pond
This isn’t me?
subtle tundra
though probably true
lunar pond
It’s random video from the internet
lunar pond
lol
indigo mulch
I can understand the thought process of picking up CT but even with for the adds, they don't live enough for it to be actually worth it.
lunar pond
I’ll quick post to w/e country this is
earnest remnant
think its a danish guild
indigo mulch
It is.
earnest remnant
better question is
viscid spear
indigo mulch
😄
earnest remnant
coral ibex
and of course all the top assa logs are from guilds that let the assa pad with CT on every add spawn
indigo mulch
Maybe hes practicing his sub cooldowns in his brain while playing sin
multi-task delux
coral ibex
hmmm actually its less than i expected in the top
lunar pond
Yeah idk the constant WA VO for sub cooldowns were confusing me at first when I watched it
balmy condor
calling out sub cds
I hate the internet
indigo mulch
its a love hate relation.
vale shore
That's why I play WoW through the mail
lunar pond
Dude asked for a video and I found one, the only one.
vale shore
why play sub, when you can play Dom?
indigo mulch
just got flamed and told to switch sub, didn't
Ah, i'm guessing your playing in a top20 guild. Makes sense.
balmy condor
just got flamed and told to switch sub, didn't
static glacier
Ah, i'm guessing your playing in a top20 guild. Makes sense.
im not
static glacier
idk, i went to soak, hard swapped to barrels before intermission
balmy condor
surely
balmy condor
that was your mistake
you admitted sub has better barrel damage
raid leader tunnel vision engaged
indigo mulch
If your wiping on barrel damage because your not playing sub then something else has gone wrong.
vale shore
going for that world-30th barrel kill!
static glacier
that was your mistake
raid leader didnt say anything
balmy condor
will be the kill
static glacier
it was a warrior
coral ibex
If your wiping on barrel damage because your not playing sub then something else...
careful or we will end up spending 25 minutes preaching about how you should grief yourself if your RL asks just to be a team player
static glacier
therefore 0.2% more barrel damage
was more than that
we didnt move boss onto barrels that much for spatter
balmy condor
and your fire mages weren't screaming?
vale shore
then sub would not have helped
vale shore
they are just as reliant on proximity as any cleave class
static glacier
10% of my dmg was on barrels
coral ibex
no because sub just has big burst they can use on the spawns
indigo mulch
If your raid leader forces you to swap spec to something your not as good playing, hes not a very bright raidleader.
indigo mulch
Why are people so hyperfocused on this one boss though, i still don't understand it lol
lunar pond
and your fire mages weren't screaming?
Firemages just stay quiet until they get found out on the Africa barrel hardswap that doesn’t die
coral ibex
its their prog point?
vale shore
hes the boss they are on, I would guess
indigo mulch
But this convresation was had earlier as well.
coral ibex
boss 3 in mythic in week 3
balmy condor
Firemages just stay quiet until they get found out on the Africa barrel hardswap...
that's not the fire mage's job
vocal cradle
@balmy condor tldr...bleed or hybrid? Pick for me senpai
severe meadow
careful or we will end up spending 25 minutes preaching about how you should gri...
Kek
lunar pond
that's not the fire mage's job
Oh I know
vale shore
<@167090536602140682> tldr...bleed or hybrid? Pick for me senpai
hybrid
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> tldr...bleed or hybrid? Pick for me senpai
are you doing keys higher or lower than like 12
coral ibex
static glacier
honestly, fuck blizzard for not being able to balance the specs
coral ibex
boss died
vocal cradle
are you doing keys higher or lower than like 12
Eventually, still farming priory
balmy condor
bleed
vocal cradle
Thanks!
balmy condor
then eventually, hybrid
static glacier
just started playing worse after every pull guy going "sup suptly sup go sup"
like bruh
subtle tundra
honestly, fuck blizzard for not being able to balance the specs
damn its almost like balancing every spec for every scenario is impossible
indigo mulch
I mean the fire mage is doing the same amount of damage as you on those barrels o0
vale shore
shadowheart is getting a tuning pass any day now, guys. It's gonna be a must-pick class talent!
static glacier
damn its almost like balancing every spec for every scenario is impossible
we're VERY shit at target swapping
static glacier
maybe even worst in the game
coral ibex
uhdk is really shit at swapping too
vocal cradle
Guys I went sub for a bit and felt dirty...I want you to know that I have come home back to assa. XD
Hitting like a pool noodle between CDs is actual ass
lunar pond
Feral good or bad at swapping. I know nothing about ferals
indigo mulch
I don't think its anything wrong with playing sub, if you like it play it. Its the same with assassination. We only discriminate towards outlaw players.
vale shore
yeah, those guys suck
golden loom
if only we killed it on this pull...
static glacier
Feral good or bad at swapping. I know nothing about ferals
I think likely bad but probably better than sin
orchid haven
Yo @balmy condor , I had a question about your plater profile, why doesn't it show the CT bleed timing on it ?
static glacier
might try it next week
golden loom
nah was just padd if we are being really honest
balmy condor
Yo <@167090536602140682> , I had a question about your plater profile, why doesn...
I track CT on my target with weakauras
hollow river
why does he have an MRT note
sounds like gladiatorlossa ngl
flat vine
God I suck at keys. Is it supposed be just poison bomb procs? I don’t know why caustic spatter doesn’t do as much
balmy condor
God I suck at keys. Is it supposed be just poison bomb procs? I don’t know why c...
bleeds -> cds -> envenom
golden loom
but idk I tried it cause adds brickwalled us hard
orchid haven
I track CT on my target with weakauras
Thanks mister
balmy condor
your caustic is 75% envenom, 20% kingsbane, 5% poison bomb
static glacier
nah was just padd if we are being really honest
the onl;y thing people care about is barrel dmg no?
golden loom
the onl;y thing people care about is barrel dmg no?
yeah but it was only CT on the melee barrels that die no matter what
static glacier
I had good boss damage all things considered
static glacier
yeah but it was only CT on the melee barrels that die no matter what
could run out to ct ranged barrels
xd
balmy condor
Thanks mister
np, trying to keep the plater debuffs as clean as it goes
viscid spear
we're VERY shit at target swapping
You guys are target-swapping?
indigo mulch
I like having CT on plater, but thats just me.
golden loom
well I mainly took it cause spatter seems so fkin inconsitent on rick
static glacier
You guys are target-swapping?
yes, I swapprd to snipe DN envenom onto barrels
and ruptured them
balmy condor
I like having CT on plater, but thats just me.
I don't see the point in tracking a bleed that has the same duration on all the mobs
balmy condor
8% rupture
indigo mulch
I don't see the point in tracking a bleed that has the same duration on all the ...
Nah i get it, but i like seeing what mobs has it when the tanks are constantly ass pulling more 😄 Maybe its worth throwing out a CT
balmy condor
GOOD SNIPING
static glacier
8% rupture <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
guess how many ruptures that was
if ur a gangster
royal lantern
and your fire mages weren't screaming?
tbf, it feels as if spatter is somewhat...buggy? on that boss
static glacier
and envenoms
balmy condor
I mean it's more than 0 ruptures so that's the problem
royal lantern
like i had him stand like right next to 3 barrels, we wipe 30sec later and details said 0 dmg with spatter
static glacier
bro what am I supposed to say "im going to remain bottom barrel dmg and never swap off the boss"?
I tried standing on barrels bc of the spatter change
balmy condor
I mean you should complain the tanks aren't pulling onto the barrels
balmy condor
like i had him stand like right next to 3 barrels, we wipe 30sec later and detai...
log
coral ibex
but the troll spawns bro
static glacier
they'll just get on the you should be sub bandwagon
coral ibex
them shits spawn spread all over
buoyant herald
You’re pretty hard stuck if your RL doesn’t understand how you do damage
static glacier
my rl didnt say anything
indigo mulch
Our RL didn't think it was a good idea either, then i just told him i'll be tunneling the boss from now on. And he never brought it up again.
royal lantern
I mean you should complain the tanks aren't pulling onto the barrels
bro im happy when the tank moves to the next marker without getting a fatal brain shutdown 
static glacier
i've been getting memed this entire tier about the sub rogue "gapping" me despite lower dmg / parses
idk
runic hinge
my tanks said it's too dangerous to move the boss cause melee could get cleaved by the frontals
static glacier
i didnt say shit to the tanks, 1 dps out of 14 doesn't matter
gritty laurel
meanwhile my casual AOTC guild officers understand that i can't target swap well and they're better off leaving me on boss damage 
royal lantern
my tanks said it's too dangerous to move the boss cause melee could get cleaved ...
ignore the part where you need to get cleaved like 4 times before it kills you
static glacier
next week
balmy condor
i didnt say shit to the tanks, 1 dps out of 14 doesn't matter
do you have a fire mage? that's another
do you have a warrior? that's another
lunar pond
meanwhile my casual AOTC guild officers understand that i can't target swap well...
There are barrels on heroic? I never noticed lol
void pecan
meanwhile my casual AOTC guild officers understand that i can't target swap well...
just dot and run back, extra energy gen and damage. Easy
balmy condor
do you have melee dps? that's like 6 more
static glacier
they did make warr and enh hardswap to ranged barrels
balmy condor
that's fine
static glacier
ima just go ct next week
indigo mulch
I mean just going through your guild logs, it dosen't seam that he is "gapping" you at any boss.. So unless your hearing voices then something else is going on here.
static glacier
with buffs should have a good showing
gritty laurel
oh we cleared rik already, just appreciating them for seeing that i'm doing what damage i can in aoe situations and not bugging me to do stupid things
static glacier
I mean just going through your guild logs, it dosen't seam that he is "gapping" ...
im just getting meme'd, idk man
royal lantern
just dot and run back, extra energy gen and damage. Easy
idk why people always say "extra energy generation"
you literally pump energy into stuff that dies in 5 seconds lol, you dont "gain" anything, you lose energy
static glacier
its just on pull sub bursts hard and sin dmg is backloaded both in cds and raidfight
indigo mulch
Uh..
static glacier
so maybe people think i do no dmg or something despite ending top 5 usually
nothing against my co-rogue btw, wonderful guy
me and him talk strats
lunar pond
idk why people always say "extra energy generation"
you literally pump energy i...
Paying for a refund without thinking of the time value of money
indigo mulch
So if you burst super high on your opener then end up with 1.5mil dps. That's a god gamer? 😒
onyx coyote
Had that stupid trash boss choose me 5 times in a row...was impossible to keep deathstalker up
static glacier
blame meta
some invisible force says ur spec good ur spec bad
reality doesn't matter
if we're 0.1% apart of 100000% apart
balmy condor
just dot and run back, extra energy gen and damage. Easy
Lose dps instantly with this one weird trick!
indigo mulch
void pecan
flat vine
Is it putting bleeds on every add manually or does fok enough
static glacier
Lose dps instantly with this one weird trick!
id happily trade 1.5m boss dmg for like 750k barrel dmg which is why I swapped and started envenoming barrely boys
royal lantern
you found a way to not do barrel damage and also lose boss damage
you wish you could do that
static glacier
you found a way to not do barrel damage and also lose boss damage
tbh all things considered my ruptures weren't too bad
gritty laurel
i'll keep doing the 1.5m boss damage and position myself to spatter a barrel or two with it
static glacier
4 ruptures for 6m dam aint the worst
balmy condor
Is it putting bleeds on every add manually or does fok enough
I'm guessing this is an m+ question, you bleed manually until you have enough energy
indigo mulch
But i don't understand why everyone has to be able to do 5mil dps to these barrels o_O There are like 15 other dps in your raid as well.
balmy condor
4 ruptures for 6m dam aint the worst
it's pretty fucking bad lmao
static glacier
it's pretty fucking bad lmao
balmy condor
you could've just used those cp on envenom and done 2.5mil instead of rupture doing 1.11 mil, including the corrupt the blood, and the bone spike charges
static glacier
you could've just used those cp on envenom and done 2.5mil instead of rupture do...
fake
balmy condor
but ya know, SNIPE FOR ENERGY LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ENERGY!!!!!!!!!
static glacier
the env is padded bc of dn
balmy condor
WORTH!!!!!!!!!!
coral ibex
4 ruptures for 6m dam aint the worst
brother, 1 rupture should be doing more than those combined
static glacier
brother, 1 rupture should be doing more than those combined
lets just say they were to activate spatter :))))))
(im coping to the extreme)
coral ibex
i did 10 ruptures on rikky for 75m damage
balmy condor
I shoved a bottle of snipe up my ass till it ruptured
onyx coyote
I find on the barrel boss i just dont have the energy to remain in cleave. I've been ST for it in my guild.
static glacier
rik ruptures
static glacier
I shoved a bottle of snipe up my ass till it ruptured
did u get energy back
golden loom
That causes an adrenaline rush for sure
balmy condor
I find on the barrel boss i just dont have the energy to remain in cleave. I've ...
what does remain in cleave mean
this scares me
onyx coyote
changing to caustic instead of using the othre option
coral ibex
bro's not playing caustic
balmy condor
💀
coral ibex
oh boy
balmy condor
naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
onyx coyote
the barrels are never near the boss
gritty laurel
...i mean i understand forgetting to swap, but are you saying that inverting one optional talent is too much effort?
golden loom
well sometimes they are
onyx coyote
we ususally have 1 near boss and 2 in range
balmy condor
we play caustic on cauldron of carnage cause of the damage and those are 1 target in range for 15 seconds every 2 min
gritty laurel
that 1 near boss makes spatter worth taking over IB
golden loom
wait in heroic or mythic?
onyx coyote
heroic
balmy condor
you still have enough barrels
gritty laurel
it shouldn't matter, barrels have to die either way
balmy condor
internal bleeding is so giga shit
well not really THAT giga shit, but compared to caustic
onyx coyote
i must be doing somethingwrong then i'm out of enenrgy and thistle charges real quick when running caustic
balmy condor
how does internal bleeding change that
vocal cradle
Speaking of caustic i saw the pin of it with gallywix and didn't really understand it lmao
golden loom
okay well caustic does not eat your energy
balmy condor
assa is a slow spec that runs out of energy
yeah
caustic and internal bleeding do nothing for energy
coral ibex
Speaking of caustic i saw the pin of it with gallywix and didn't really understa...
its a buff to caustic range, you now hit mobs that are within melee distance of your main target that are also within 12m of you
severe meadow
assa is a slow spec that runs out of energy
That’s why I rupture other targets 🤓
static glacier
whispyr ruptured his ass with a bottle and proc'd internal bleeding. confirmed whispyr doesn't take spatter
gritty laurel
oh no it spattered alright
coral ibex
caustic used to be unusable for bosses like gallywix and bloodbound horror
balmy condor
That’s why I rupture other targets 🤓
I'm gonna lose it
severe meadow
I'm gonna lose it
I’m just teasing you pookie
onyx coyote
i'm gonna hve to compare logs after i do it this week its the one boss that i'm gray on
vocal cradle
its a buff to caustic range, you now hit mobs that are within melee distance of ...
So they could be out of melee range of the boss but with in 12 of me and still get hit?
coral ibex
no
they have to be within melee of the main target
they just dont have to be within 12m of the center of that target
gritty laurel
if you're grey parsing, spatter/IB isn't going to be what changes that
coral ibex
they can be within 12m of you or the main target
gritty laurel
at least not on that fight
onyx coyote
i have to run to barrels nad back t oboss i think i'm just spending too uch time out of boss range
balmy condor
i have to run to barrels nad back t oboss i think i'm just spending too uch time...
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royal lantern
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void pecan
C
gritty laurel
D
severe meadow
fucking newj bro
hollow river
coral ibex
balmy condor
my guides have failed the community
vocal cradle
caustic used to just hit the green around gally
Thanks!
void pecan
90% of it is raid leader saying "SWITCH TO THE ADDS" when it's wasted for sin to do so
subtle tundra
common sense
coral ibex
no we just have raid leaders that dont give a fuck about assa design
void pecan
but they don't understand that
echo night
Does Subtrefuge extend duration of MA?
balmy condor
yes
echo night
so MA is 18 sec duration?
coral ibex
no
balmy condor
6+6 is 12
gritty laurel
tooltip already accounts for the +6
vocal cradle
I asked the tanks to get the adds near boss so my caustic hits them...never happened :/
coral ibex
the 12 you see on the tooltip is with subterfuge
royal lantern
lmao
got heroic energy drink, and it sims higher then pacemaker rn 
pls give me more mastery gear blizz
getting weird
onyx coyote
i'm still tryign to replace my sad sacbroo
haughty flicker
lmao
got heroic energy drink, and it sims higher then pacemaker rn <:dracthyr_k...
Pacemaker is like .2% better than my sippy drink
echo night
spare? im sitting on 26k mastery :S
haughty flicker
So I just haven’t bothered lmao
fallen orbit
What encounter are u talkning about ?
warm lantern
!macro
royal lantern
if i use alchemical chaos and it increases crit, priory trinket will trigger crit instead of mastery
balmy condor
What encounter are u talkning about ?
last 40 min of the channel has been rik reverb
haughty flicker
Lmao
fallen orbit
Bro i am Not going to always read 100 Messages. Sometimes i do but still
golden loom
sap the healer dance cheap shot marked for death kidney blind the healer blades sec tec vanish cheap shot tea kidney
fallen orbit
Thanks for that
fallen orbit
😂😂😂
severe meadow
haughty flicker
Why do I see so many Ricardo posts anyway, are the barrels significantly harder to kill on mythic or something
balmy condor
barrels are the problem in mythic
summer trellis
on fights where pacemaker doesn't quite align with CDs, is it still worth? not really sure how to sim it when its not aligned like this, like stix is in the air and my pacemaker is proccing
fleet pagoda
they're a problem in heroic, too, if your group sucks. i seent it 
static glacier
Why do I see so many Ricardo posts anyway, are the barrels significantly harder ...
the fight is just click pylons and kill barrels
if boss dam remotely mattered the whole sub vs sin thing wouldn't exist
haughty flicker
Well yeah but just hit stuff until it dies lmao
royal lantern
Why do I see so many Ricardo posts anyway, are the barrels significantly harder ...
first mythic fight that needs more coordination
and barrels need to be actually kinda focsed
and wow player LOVE to say "eh, somebody else will do it" and dont properly swap
haughty flicker
Just do more damage?
static glacier
Just do more damage?
what if doing dmg to the right targets mean you do less overall dmg
balmy condor
on fights where pacemaker doesn't quite align with CDs, is it still worth? not r...
eyah probably still good
summer trellis
ty
static glacier
how much proper target dmg is worth bricking overall if your spec is bad at switching
etc
royal lantern
what if doing dmg to the right targets mean you do less overall dmg
the thing that breaks guild
"yeha but my dmg?????"
fleet pagoda
brick it all if the boss dies 
royal lantern
i still laugh about out DH getting called out with the words "you did less dmg to barrels this pull then a single holy word chastise"
fleet pagoda
but a thematic DH player can't see the barrels
fervent rune
with supercharger up we finish on 2 and 4 for DN correct?
viscid spear
These guys speak like Assassination Rogues
golden loom
with supercharger up we finish on 2 and 4 for DN correct?
you ignore that u have it
static glacier
with supercharger up we finish on 2 and 4 for DN correct?
5 n 7 still
golden loom
just see it as passive big dam on normal finishers
fervent rune
okay ty
coral ibex
you can send envenom with 6cp + FI if you notice, but its not that much of a gain
i just dont like mutilating again at 6cp
for DN**
red schooner
he works in mysterious ways
cerulean nest
why is siphoning stiletto my best craft by far? (I already have a max weapon)
balmy condor
are we still tracking sanguine blades and staying above energy windows
No, and below energy not above
balmy condor
why is siphoning stiletto my best craft by far? (I already have a max weapon)
Droptimizer doesn’t understand 2 embellish limit
errant trail
so we don’t have to worry too much about energy
we just try to save energy for KB and death mark windows
balmy condor
Kb, not deathmark
hardy crypt
where do we get the puzzling cartel chip from?
errant trail
ok
hardy crypt
i thought it was gally
hardy crypt
oh 😭
errant trail
what’s your opinion on honey buzzer whispyr
i got pace maker and kezan
pretty solid ?
balmy condor
It’s a trinket that does damage in a world where there’s realistically 7 or 8 better options
Yeh so if you have pacemaker you wear that instead
errant trail
do you think it’s worth to save shiv for last 8 seconds of KB if you aren’t talented into Lighteight Shiv
balmy condor
That is what the guide says, yes
balmy condor
Oh boy
coral ice
you should watch is video
balmy condor
You cast it in single target when not talented into vicious venoms
This is again in the guide
errant trail
of course was just curious
vestal wren
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errant trail
thank you lol
lost wolf
are sin rogues considered "squishy" in M+ ?
balmy condor
Thank you for using WhispyrGPT
lost wolf
yeah that's what Iwas thinking too
errant trail
there’s a talent that makes feint stronger too
hardy crypt
which makes us almost as tanky as deathknights are by default, i feel like
balmy condor
It’s just outside of feint you get exploded
balmy condor
So like a dot for example will push your shit in
lost wolf
yeah the DOTS have been chonking me for sure
fleet pagoda
are sin rogues considered "squishy" in M+ ?
we have a low hp pool. for targeted damage you need to press feint for something most other melee live natty
hardy crypt
we have super strong cooldowns but outside of those we're like the squishiest melee
hardy crypt
i remember siege of boralus last season
its a traumatic memory now
there was so much shit to feint/evasion/cloak
lost wolf
lmao!
fleet pagoda
latosius shadow bolts on black rook hold +27 
feint's on CD, goodbye world
hardy crypt
that you just run out at some point unless im dumb
lost wolf
I'm with you on that @hardy crypt
hardy crypt
and die unless you have pain sup
and with pain sup you die in 2 ticks
instead of one 😭
silk sundial
Good example is the channel the lightspawns do in priory. If you don't have cloak/vanish you better pop feint and hope your healer can keep you topped
hardy crypt
and bcs we have super strong defensives and feint is really strong people act as if we're a second death knight
hardy crypt
Good example is the channel the lightspawns do in priory. If you don't have cloa...
same with savage mauling
and the spear
idk
fleet pagoda
Good example is the channel the lightspawns do in priory. If you don't have cloa...
evasion with bait and switch 
lost wolf
those lightspawns do hurt
hardy crypt
play a hunter and you’ll understand what squishy is
hunters play from ranged, which is more secure by default
lost wolf
i actually do play a hunter too 🙂
hardy crypt
i feel like its pointless to compare a melee's survivability to a ranged's
lost wolf
if someone said my hunter was squishy I'd be more understanding lol
static glacier
i feel like people are overrating
We’re tanky in a similar way to mage with v strong active defensives but quite weak passive defensives
silk sundial
But most of the time with proper defensive rotation rogues are pretty tanky.
Feint being off gcd is huge
hardy crypt
We’re tanky in a similar way to mage with v strong active defensives but quite w...
yeah but i feel like a lot of healers dont understand that, in my experience
static glacier
Thing is we can outright ignore a lot of mechanics
hardy crypt
and think we're super tough to kill at all times
grim jay
there was so much shit to feint/evasion/cloak
well people are mostly talking about feint with elusiveness
hardy crypt
which just isnt the case
grim jay
so it works on everything
static glacier
Yeah rogues have been losers of the defensive power creep
hardy crypt
so it works on everything
i know it does, but it's on a 15s cooldown
static glacier
They made hunters and shamans a lot tankier
Relatively speaking we got squishier over time
hardy crypt
and if you have to feint everything because youre squishy af without it
static glacier
I’m d say with cheat up you can be kinda greedy with defensives
hardy crypt
and if you have to feint everything because youre squishy af without it
then you just run out and some point and pray your healer knows that youre ultra squishy without feint
spice surge
Yeah rogues have been losers of the defensive power creep
Mostly assa really
static glacier
Without it you do have to be careful
spice surge
Sub and outalw are tanky as hell
hardy crypt
yeah but thats only thanks to vers i think?
lost wolf
and think we're super tough to kill at all times
this is how I was explaining it to the healer that said it, I may give you a heart attack from taking DOT or ST damage but I won't die
spice surge
No
static glacier
Sub and outalw are tanky as hell
Idk if sub always gets that shield on finisher talent
silk sundial
At least we aren't druids
static glacier
W/e it’s called
spice surge
Theres also a 10% shield, a 10% damage reduction, 5% dr and the vers
hardy crypt
this is how I was explaining it to the healer that said it, I may give you a hea...
yeah 😭 ive had a priest who was flaming me for not staying alive with 0 externals
cause everything on the internet says that we're a "durable" class
static glacier
Ye vers is a major one tbh
static glacier
The way outlaw felt with like 30% vers
lost wolf
cause everything on the internet says that we're a "durable" class
yeah not surprising, hah
static glacier
Compared to sin was wild
lost wolf
that's a good point re vers
hardy crypt
The way outlaw felt with like 30% vers
yeah even dungeons as sub during this season
ive played like 4 overall
and felt like a second tank
lmao
compared to usual
lost wolf
and I'm on the high end of sin with 10% vers 👀
static glacier
yeah even dungeons as sub during this season
tbh I feel relatively durable to big hits but scared of rot damage
lost wolf
that's been my experience too
static glacier
between evasion dr, feint, cloak and vanish I can normally outplay or tank a big hit or targeted spell
stuff like a bleed on me im powerless beyond health pot and crimson vial
wanton nest
Lock n stalk is the highest simming trinket for me atm O.o
wild thorn
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warm vortex
we are durable until we're not 😭
Bro
Rogue has some of the best defs of any class
Tf you mean "until we are not"
Even if fient was the only Def CD rogues would still be better off than some classes
royal lantern
Tf you mean "until we are not"
Even if fient was the only Def CD rogues would st...
what
maybe 5 years ago
not since DF
fleet pagoda
our defensives don't always work as expected. sometimes things you'd think that are AoE aren't DRed as AoE by Feint, or Cloak shenanigans
balmy condor
Tf you mean "until we are not"
Even if fient was the only Def CD rogues would st...
That’s so cope
royal lantern
rogue is tanky ye, but its far from this unkillable thing
royal lantern
and rogue is VERY shity against rot dmg, which is kinda common
indigo mulch
Rot damage makes me crai
hardy crypt
plus cloak doesnt work like half of the time on stuff it should work on
spice spire
Swampface vs the final boss of floodgate is a good example of when rogue feels “great” and “not great”
coral ibex
it does, just probably only the first second of it
golden loom
frick swampface!!!
royal lantern
reminder that S1 DPS DK had 20% passive magic dr all the time
basically, imagine if you always had elusivness feint active
hardy crypt
the fact that bubbles is immediately after that
golden loom
FRICK BUBBLES!
royal lantern
FRICK BUBBLES!
bubbles is wanted in 12 countrys for warcrimes
pulsar orbit
Is clear the witnesses worth using in single target?
spice spire
Cloak is great for bubbles
runic inlet
Just skip him
lost wolf
cloak is quite nice for bubbles
hardy crypt
Cloak is great for bubbles
cloak is great for living on 3rd boss too
spice spire
Is clear the witnesses worth using in single target?
It is until we get to Tuesday when we run VV
hardy crypt
i hate that portion of the dungeon
warm vortex
Still feint is such a neat CD compared to other classes
hardy crypt
yes, but
pulsar orbit
Whats VV?
lost wolf
spice spire
Vicious venoms
hardy crypt
Still feint is such a neat CD compared to other classes
^
we're not saying we have weak defensives
it's just we're dead without them
that's the problem
lost wolf
it's outside of defensives thats the issue right
royal lantern
We’re tanky in a similar way to mage with v strong active defensives but quite w...
tbh, mage has like 20000 different active deffensives and they work for everything
coral ibex
saying any spec is tanky compared to mage is weird bc mage is the tankiest spec in the game
royal lantern
and a full hp heal
golden loom
mages have like 10 tho
lost wolf
well "issue" usually it's not a big problem
coral ibex
if rogue had half the options mage had we'd be literally immortal
warm vortex
we're not saying we have weak defensives
Ah
pulsar orbit
what are we dropping to run VV? Bone spikes?
golden loom
alter time can also do stuff that no other spell in the game can
warm vortex
Thought thats what you meant
hardy crypt
saying 20% dr on a 15sec cooldown is weak would be delusional
coral ibex
literally everything is weak compared to mage but yea
royal lantern
saying 20% dr on a 15sec cooldown is weak would be delusional
ignore mage with a 45sec 10% dr
golden loom
Honestly the only thing that makes mage defensives weak is that they are on global
hardy crypt
s tier spec every season
hardy crypt
Honestly the only thing that makes mage defensives weak is that they are on glob...
if only we had some mobility that lets us move during our cast
oh right
blink
golden loom
barriers + ice block/cold + blink for sure is a defensive
rocky flicker
Rogue is S tier every season. In my heart.
hardy crypt
mb
fleet pagoda
what are we dropping to run VV? Bone spikes?
i can't remember, but whispyr's recent video on the upcoming changes talked about talent swaps that could be made. could skim through that
fallow canopy
their inv gives dr too no?
coral ibex
think so
royal lantern
if only we had some mobility that lets us move during our cast
what are those "casts"
its mage, they always have instant cast procs mate lol
golden loom
oh yeah thats like 60% dr
static glacier
tbh, mage has like 20000 different active deffensives and they work for everythi...
ye theirs are better
hardy crypt
idk i hate vanish
the fact that its used for iron wire, for master assassin and for defensive
like, i always have to sacrifice two of them
pulsar orbit
Shadowmeld doesn't proc improved garrote 😦
warm vortex
saying 20% dr on a 15sec cooldown is weak would be delusional
Meh
I remember some dude deadass saying rogues defs suck
pulsar orbit
works for Shadowstrike in sub lol
royal lantern
Shadowmeld doesn't proc improved garrote 😦
ofc not
royal lantern
works for Shadowstrike in sub lol
yeha cus shadowstrike doesnt do shit
hardy crypt
Shadowmeld doesn't proc improved garrote 😦
still its crazy
pulsar orbit
its just for the free full combo points outside of CD's
hardy crypt
still its crazy
on priory for example, idk
or dfc
idk
the fact that shadowmeld is still a thing is crazy
royal lantern
nerf greater invis
balmy condor
we stop tacking shit onto vanish
royal lantern
the deffensive creep needs to go back
hardy crypt
we stop tacking shit onto vanish
YES
balmy condor
cause everyone bitches about it and I can't take it anymore
royal lantern
not even more
hardy crypt
sorry for bitching about it
lost wolf
we stop tacking shit onto vanish
madness
hardy crypt
come on its so unsatisfying to like give up 20% crit chance during deathmark
to get the mobs silenced
hardy crypt
a part of me dies every time i do that
royal lantern
imagine wasting a talent point for it lol
balmy condor
see you get it
hardy crypt
oh m+ question
royal lantern
why are shoulders bad now??
hardy crypt
do people realistically run blackjack?
idk tricks are nice but
30% dr on mobs
seems crazy
royal lantern
tricks is literally ussules
balmy condor
high end coordinated groups run tricks and that filters down to everyone else
royal lantern
^
balmy condor
but blackjack is very good
hardy crypt
tricks is literally ussules
i mean vdh's have aggro like 50% of the time
might as well help them out
royal lantern
casual runs tricks to run ahead and pull a pack for his tank
and then people think they need to play tricks
royal lantern
might as well help them out
you dont help
onyx spindle
is sin rogue just goinna be the best for m+ tuesday or no
lost wolf
ele sham and dev XD
hardy crypt
dont be mean :((
balmy condor
why are shoulders bad now??
I gave thumbnail guy the old tier shoulders as reference
hardy crypt
ill cry
onyx spindle
out of the rogue specs
severe meadow
🤨
royal lantern
tricks doesnt "help the tank" aggro
the tank using a single aoe ability builds more threat then you do in 10seconds of blasting