Dog believe it or not I’m serious sometimes and not everything needs to be a goon moment
#assassination
dapper cradle
Dog believe it or not I’m serious sometimes and not everything needs to be a goo...
Just lies on lies
haughty flicker
seek help
balmy condor
Dog believe it or not I’m serious sometimes and not everything needs to be a goo...
believe it or not I'm serious about poppin your dads cherry
dapper cradle
Bros got my dad’s prostate in a vice
static glacier
there's a few melee comparable with sub that didn't get touched
warriors most notably
balmy condor
Bros got my dad’s prostate in a vice
assume the position
devout mist
Sub is overperforming, in my dream 
lofty portal
With recent buffs to Assassin, will it be better than Sub?
fallow canopy
With recent buffs to Assassin, will it be better than Sub?
🔮
balmy condor
I'm not religious at all but sometimes I think god tests me
dapper cradle
Hey is assa meta now?
devout mist
Hey we switch to assa yet?
coral ibex
on the BOOM scale, 1 to 5, how would you rate assassin spec now?
static glacier
Hey is assa meta now?
was it not meta before :O?
hollow river
Hey is assa meta now?
Ass is meta, yes
static glacier
felt like it was meta
dreamy rover
on the BOOM scale, 1 to 5, how would you rate assassin spec now?
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOM
humble verge
IS MY ASS META NOW
spice surge
on the BOOM scale, 1 to 5, how would you rate assassin spec now?
Not as good as the chocolate chunk chip cookie
fallow canopy
play whatever you enjoy most kings and queens
humble verge
time to fart
devout mist
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOM
I want you in my room
spice spire
IS MY ASS META NOW
Nah ur still benched on stix
humble verge
Nah ur still benched on stix
dapper cradle
You’ve never nutted directly into a piping hot chicken bake, and it shows
dreamy rover
Sub isn’t overperforming anywhere????
insane spec
versed mica
Insanely cringe spec
dapper cradle
Sub is fun rn
devout mist
Isnt stix nerfed to bits rn tho?
humble verge
sub is not fun, im gonna get r1 next week on carnage, cant change into that shite
limber glen
Can someone explain me why on Archon and Wowhead it says mainstats are Mastery/Crit but on raiderio the top rogues just go mastery versa?
humble verge
@royal lantern youre not touching shit
versed mica
So fun y'all come to chat in sin channel 
dapper cradle
Sin has good bants
placid adder
Can someone explain me why on Archon and Wowhead it says mainstats are Mastery/C...
prob cause they are also playin sub
dapper cradle
Quake has the R1 brainrot
humble verge
Sin has good bants
sin is the only place with bants wdym
theres a reason why whisp is here
spice spire
It’s actually wild the literal propaganda against me
limber glen
prob cause they are also playin sub
so is it worth to go mastery versa or just go crit mastery since even buffs are inc?
devout mist
Well pick 1
dapper cradle
Is crit mast better than mast crit?
versed mica
Isn't it mast/crit when you're deathstalker?
devout mist
Or make a pin KEKW
real pike
personally I feel like it was slightly needed, I think we were starting to drop off as other people got 4 sets
humble verge
Can someone explain me why on Archon and Wowhead it says mainstats are Mastery/C...
because the top rogues are spec changing into sub before they log off having their assa gear on, MYSTERY SOLVED
is probably the cause tho
idk
quasi ember
Fuck yeah, guys. Congratulations all
ebon lodge
where tf u live thats 3am
west crown
across the pond
humble verge
Isn't it mast/crit when you're deathstalker?
dont think any sub go deathstalker tho
runic hinge
ebon lodge
fk a euro im so sorry
versed mica
dont think any sub go deathstalker tho
I'm talking about sin in the sin channel IDK what u yapping about
humble verge
I'm talking about sin in the sin channel IDK what u yapping about
oh yeah well
same same but same
thorn sierra
hi im new to assasination and i feel like on boss fights in mplus im constantly out of energy and waiting 10yrs for my energy , is this normal?
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
versed mica
hi im new to assasination and i feel like on boss fights in mplus im constantly ...
Kinda yeah, m+ build doesn't have all the energy st talents picked
winged basin
It’s absolutely criminal those buffs you guys got hoooleee 
ebon lodge
btw on bosses with adds what do u guys do? do u hard swap bomb shells on stix or nah
fallow canopy
idk bro i got benched
humble verge
btw on bosses with adds what do u guys do? do u hard swap bomb shells on stix or...
HAHA YOU THINK I DO ADD DAMAGE
haughty flicker
raid leader cares
ebon lodge
lmao
versed mica
btw on bosses with adds what do u guys do? do u hard swap bomb shells on stix or...
Sin kinda just sits on bosses tbh. Maybe spread a rupture for the extra energy but that's about it
versed mica
We just spatter adds
real pike
btw on bosses with adds what do u guys do? do u hard swap bomb shells on stix or...
I'll get told off for this but it's not really our job
we do ramping damage which doesn't suit those adds
haughty flicker
you hard swap to boomkin
real pike
spatter and leave it to the havoc dhs and ret pallies
humble verge
also both those mages under me died on the kill
ebon lodge
the dk line under me is the maintank
is this damage to adds
versed mica
Yeah if a raid leader gets mad at a sin rogue for not swapping to adds they don't know how to play sin
humble verge
is this damage to adds
yes
ebon lodge
phew
humble verge
i actually swapped to CT
tho
it only accounts for 20m of the damage
rest is CS, FoK, poison damage and like a couple of envenom on adds that wouldve wiped the raid if i didnt help
cursive dagger
this might be more of a random question. anyone have spreadsheet for which raid bosses/boss mechanics atrophic poison actively works on?
ebon lodge
this go for all bosses? eg gally u just cleave ct on to the bomb adds and keep boss targeted?
humble verge
this might be more of a random question. anyone have spreadsheet for which raid ...
does it not work on all of them?
versed mica
Raider leader lucky I'm even pressing fov or putting one rupture out
haughty flicker
it works on the vast majority of things
cursive dagger
does it not work on all of them?
the boss mechanic has to be tied to the boss itself.
haughty flicker
there are just some exceptions like stix
cursive dagger
like coded to the boss itself
haughty flicker
some damage is counted as environmental instead of coming from the boss
cursive dagger
^
haughty flicker
at least thats how i understand it
humble verge
jaja
haughty flicker
but its not super common
coral ibex
anyone else's guild have trouble with add damage on mythic rikthic
haughty flicker
probably
humble verge
but mostly atro should work on most stuff
coral ibex
i felt really bad
but i was doing the same add damage even if i hard swapped
so i was the only one allowed to stay on the boss 100%
humble verge
anyone else's guild have trouble with add damage on mythic rikthic
look at my image like a couple of scrolls, and then you can see what you need to replace in your raid team
versed mica
The question is when to go atro or mind numbing in m+
humble verge
honestly, i feel if people dont already have 1 ww in their team
i feel like its gonna be ass to do stuff
nova flax
The question is when to go atro or mind numbing in m+
Mind numbing
coral ibex
humble verge
The question is when to go atro or mind numbing in m+
who in their right mind swaps off atro
nova flax
Always mind numbing
humble verge
at all
coral ibex
the WW is actually a mistweaver
versed mica
Mind numbing
Would u feel insulted if I didn't take ur word for it based on ur discord name
coral ibex
who just went dps
haughty flicker
who in their right mind swaps off atro
numbing is pretty good in m+ from what i understand
nova flax
Mind numbing in a key is much more overall damage reduced than atro
humble verge
numbing is pretty good in m+ from what i understand
im about to numb you out
haughty flicker
promise?
versed mica
Mind numbing in a key is much more overall damage reduced than atro
Then why don't we use it in raid?
These are questions I've never got answers to lol
spice surge
A lot less of the overall damage intake is based on the mobs attack speed
haughty flicker
because numbing scales with mob count
nova flax
Then why don't we use it in raid?
Because slowing the attack speed of 50 mobs against 1 person is better
haughty flicker
not actually but like, more mobs being slowed is more value
coral ibex
boss dam vs add dam LOL
nova flax
Whereas raid is 3% damage reduced against 20 ppl
humble verge
probably, some dungs where there are too many casts, numb would be better
spice surge
Also in raid youll have the attack speed slow from other sources
versed mica
Okay fair points
spice surge
And the cast speed reduction doesnt work on most things
haughty flicker
what else slows attack speed anyway
versed mica
Also in raid youll have the attack speed slow from other sources
What other sources?
haughty flicker
like frost dk
spice surge
DKs
nova flax
What other sources?
Dk
spice surge
Or warlock curse yes
humble verge
well alright
versed mica
Ah
humble verge
i need to go to bed
do keys tomorrow
eat shit and then wait for stix to die
gn lads
haughty flicker
shouldve been a boomkin
humble verge
hahahahahahahhahahahaha
we have 2 boomies in the guild
goddamn their damage on any other boss is just ass
boomies are just that bad this tier, its sad
haughty flicker
they are in a pretty rough spot in raid for sure
humble verge
m+ they are PRACTICALLY considered meta
all top runs are not without a boomie
well besides woxtoxic's group
brave comet
running out of energy against sprocket really sucks
it feels like im fighting against my energy meter for half the time
still knoll
New parch assasination is buff or nerf?
earnest timber
lol
coral ibex
new parch ass good?
night bison
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
haughty flicker
They stop reading after the first line to come doompost
deep gyro
spice spire
guys assa got nothing but buffs
Erm actually old 2p got nerfed
Checkmate mister theory crafter 
lean plover
we now play bleed build for st dmg kek
haughty flicker
Huh
nova kelp
assa isn't good with you if you hate spatter sir
balmy condor
Erm actually old 2p got nerfed
Erm actually I’m uploading a YouTube video and my internet just crashed
So
Checkmate
nova kelp
lol "of Reading Pins" is wild
haughty flicker
Comcast 
spice spire
Erm actually I’m uploading a YouTube video and my internet just crashed
Dude is about to crash out
balmy condor
Erm actually old 2p got nerfed
erm actually it's a good thing I'm uploading a video right now right
weary spear
Mind numbing in a key is much more overall damage reduced than atro
Atro still generally better in high keys imo
void pecan
Welcome back
topaz horizon
2.65mbps 
balmy condor
We love Comcast
dapper cradle
they have comcast in germany?
dapper cradle
i thought you lived in a little mountain hamlet in germany
and your internet was powered by a water wheel
topaz horizon
Hamster wheel
balmy condor
Yeah, the little mountain hamlet of Cupertino California
haughty flicker
balmy condor
Literally walking distance to Apple headquarters
lean plover
whwre video whyspir?
balmy condor
Middle of nowhere
dapper cradle
Literally walking distance to Apple headquarters
living near an apple orchard must be nice
fresh fruit is great
topaz horizon
Have you tried plugging it in again?
haughty flicker
Maybe walk over and ask for some better internet
cinder bone
why do people always wipe on last boss rookery
abstract steppe
Huge culture shock when I moved to SF and the internet sucks. I thought this was the internet place.
lethal slate
i know understand why i was confused about lingering darkness, deathstalkers mark is too similar to deathmark
i get it now
cunning cloak
video for the pookies say it's private....
haughty flicker
It’s only for the premium pookies
cunning cloak
that i am not...
thorn thorn
I cant wait for part 2 to be posted tonight
balmy condor
whwre video whyspir?
it's in the pins but because of the stupid internet it's still uploading
scenic nacelle
ty pookie
lean plover
but where guide changes pookie bear?
cinder bone
Pins are things whispyr puts in his hair i think?
lean plover
Can there be a tomorrows whispyr when whispyr doesnt sleep?
balmy condor
seems like it's okay? I'm just gonna set it live and go eat dinner
fuckin yolo
also there's 2 versions of the thumbnail
gotta collect them all
scenic nacelle
I see cat
cunning cloak
thats not water...
rancid wind
Can I go back to Assassination for boss damage over Subtlety now?
brave comet
are we nerfed
we're still useless
real pike
yooo is there a video??
balmy condor
Can I go back to Assassination for boss damage over Subtlety now?
Probably yeah
real pike
extreme poggers
cunning cloak
its the first ingredient so it counts
tall jay
So glad I decided to stay on the sin train and not jump over to sub lol
rancid wind
I’d imagine that it’s not as simple as simming my character as both Sin and Sub and seeing what’s better, so how does one go about deciding what spec to use when they’re relatively close?
sudden brook
Sub is probably still better but sin is going to be way more popular now w
weary spear
I’d imagine that it’s not as simple as simming my character as both Sin and Sub ...
If they’re the same performance pick the one you’re better at
sudden brook
I’d imagine that it’s not as simple as simming my character as both Sin and Sub ...
You pick a faction, and one trick it
indigo mulch
Wasn't outlaw even better though?
static glacier
idk frost mage simmed higher than fire but saw no play :l
indigo mulch
I mean, in reality there is hardly any ST in the raid.
balmy condor
I’d imagine that it’s not as simple as simming my character as both Sin and Sub ...
My personal argument is that if assa and sub are even remotely close in single target, the execute from assa will always be absolute banger
Bandit, mug’zee, I guess maybe gallywix not really kinda
Like it’s just good
past bobcat
west crown
"hiya guys" SLAPS, another goated video 2 seconds in
haughty flicker
"gonna try not to wake the cat" cat immediately wakes up
sudden brook
I'm pretty sure with current damage mugzee p2 sub gets more cd usages in p2
So even with execute value
strange python
When crafting this what will I use in the reagents?
novel elbow
So glad I decided to stay on the sin train and not jump over to sub lol
i enjoy both, but switching is always a pain. i don't have time to gear for 2 specs
normal mist
if from some random crafter, r3 materials is your safest bet @strange python
rancid wind
I’ve done a pretty thorough job of setting by up my rogue with Mastery and Vers for Sub, would that hurt my potential for swapping back to Sin very much?
balmy condor
No
astral current
LETS FUCKING GO
normal mist
If you know the crafter, just ask him what he needs materialwise
astral current
or im too overhyped
wide ferry
a buff is a buff
balmy condor
Assa stats are a suggestion more than anything
rancid wind
Gotcha
lean plover
How much of a buff is it on st with hybrid build?
balmy condor
Only thing to keep track of
Is if you have signet
Mastery from the signet is very good
And the rest is kinda shit
novel elbow
annoyed with myself for passing on all tier once i got 2pc though XD
balmy condor
But that shouldn’t be an issue with the siren isle ring giving like a quintillion mastery
astral current
"Seaforium and Mega Magnet roughly tied for BiS."
is this combo better than house of cards + seaforium?
mighty rapids
Worth getting signet if u have house of cards?
balmy condor
Worth getting signet if u have house of cards?
They’re equal at equal ilvl
mighty rapids
Word
spice surge
"Seaforium and Mega Magnet roughly tied for BiS."
is this combo better than hous...
Its signet/house of cards + either of those
Not seaforium+magnet
rancid wind
I got a myth track signet on my Monk that doesn’t want it, how do I go about sending it to my rogue for Sin?
balmy condor
Submit a strongly worded ticket to blizzard support
rancid wind
Will do
astral current
Its signet/house of cards + either of those
oh, aight, thx
grave osprey
How much more dmg are we doing now?
balmy condor
0 until you read the pins and educate yourself
indigo mulch
mint valve
does bleed build do better damage in st now with blindside in m+?
balmy condor
Better yes, good no
indigo mulch
I love bleed build 😦
mint valve
yeah but you start to not like it when youre doing tank damage on bosses.
balmy condor
They’re very similar
Like it’s much closer than people think
But dropping poison bomb and dragon tempered makes people lose it for some reason
Idk
static glacier
I think the last time sin did good boss dmg in m+ was sl
mint valve
having a 1 minute mini go between deathmarks is nice
indigo mulch
Even if your doing tank damage your still doing like 3 to 3.5mil overalls. Its not bad for +10's atleast.
mint valve
oh its great for 10s
but when you start doing 14s 15s and bosses take a long time... it hurts..
indigo mulch
I don't do super high keys anyway. So i'm all good. I do my 10's then i'm done lmao
balmy condor
having a 1 minute mini go between deathmarks is nice
Yeah except that 1 minute mini go is dogshit awful and doesn’t do fucking anything and you can play a bleed build with it anyway so where are we going with it
Kb without deathmark might just be 1 free envenom
haughty flicker
ngl i like not having kb in keys lmao
magic fossil
@balmy condor we can simm all the trinkets changes already?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> we can simm all the trinkets changes already?
Yes
haughty flicker
in raid it would be insanely boring not having it though
spice surge
You get to apply crimson tempest instead though 
haughty flicker
indigo mulch
spice surge
Kinda wild that they tossed a 3% buff without nerfing CT or spatter
It is what it is i guess
mint valve
Yeah except that 1 minute mini go is dogshit awful and doesn’t do fucking anythi...
oh i wasnt going anywhere with it! haha i trust your numbers.
spice surge
Assa didnt turn out incredibly OP when they buffed us by like 3-4% in S1 either i guess
haughty flicker
mint valve
im just always torn about which one to go in m+ because i cant seem to grasp why all the top players refuse to play bleed build it high keys
balmy condor
Cause it’s scary
No dtb no amp single target must be bad!!
The higher the io the more the feelcraft
random dragon
does zoldyck increases vicious venoms damage?
balmy condor
Just how it ends up going
night bison
we have a number for the buffs? like 2.4m st dps?
balmy condor
does zoldyck increases vicious venoms damage?
Yes
balmy condor
we have a number for the buffs? like 2.4m st dps?
I mean we do have those numbers but what would this do for you
mint valve
these changes dont go through until tuesday though right?
spice surge
Trinkets are live now
mint valve
ahh
spice surge
Class tuning on reset
night bison
im spec hoping and i just want to know lol
mint valve
ill definitely have to try out bleed build on tuesday more with blindside
indigo mulch
Can we run the class changes in raidbots somehow?
night bison
I mean we do have those numbers but what would this do for you
spec hoping around and im just curious
i want any excuse to play sins
balmy condor
It’s like 2.45 or something I think
magic fossil
my mechano core amplifier + priory is still better than seaforium 😐 are u sure buffs already in the website? @balmy condor
balmy condor
Can we run the class changes in raidbots somehow?
Yeah would have to be a bunch of overrides though
mint valve
to pick up blindside, we just drop tiny toxic blade in m+ bleed build?
night bison
does that include new trinket buffs?
buoyant schooner
with the 2 piece nerf do we pick the new 4piece earlier than 662?
indigo mulch
Yeah would have to be a bunch of overrides though
balmy condor
my mechano core amplifier + priory is still better than seaforium 😐 are u sure ...
None of these trinkets got changed what are you yapping brother
indigo mulch
I was curious how much it affects my current gear 😦
balmy condor
does that include new trinket buffs?
Trinkets can be simmed
balmy condor
with the 2 piece nerf do we pick the new 4piece earlier than 662?
Pins
strange python
Last question, what kind of missive should be going in the weapon I’m trying to craft?
balmy condor
I was curious how much it affects my current gear 😦
About 5%
strange python
I’m really new to crafting stuff so idk what I’m doing lol
balmy condor
Last question, what kind of missive should be going in the weapon I’m trying to ...
Crit mast I guess but I don’t use missives and let god take the wheel
indigo mulch
5.7% increas with VV right?
balmy condor
Yes
indigo mulch
math is hard 😦
neat flame
i get home and i see a whispyr video on youtube about sin buffs
what a glorious friday
night bison
will we be higher with the new trinket buffs too?
severe sparrow
oh sick i have a heroic mega magnet in my bag i won on a greed roll before it was good 
and forgot to vendor
neat flame
glad to see some trinket buffs tbh, it was kinda ridiculous that basically everyone was tunneling on 4 trinkets across every class
severe meadow
oh sick i have a heroic mega magnet in my bag i won on a greed roll before it wa...
I held mine in case of changes 
Since hardly anyone wanted it and 2 dropped
indigo mulch
So if i'm just slapping a 5.7% buff on its like 115k dps increase in sims for my gear
balmy condor
That’s definitely a number
haughty flicker
strange python
🤣
zinc frost
I love the bleed build for weekly 10s 
neat flame
the bleed build is so cracked
i put a post it number on details during boss fights, but take it back off again for trash
if i cant see bleed build single target it cant hurt me
dapper cradle
these assa nerfs are rough
mint valve
in m+ bleed build do we crimson tempest in st?
balmy condor
Yes
balmy condor
Yeah, it sucks
whole mason
How far behind may I ask?
balmy condor
In st like 1%, in anything more than 1 target like a billion%
indigo mulch
damn, outlaw is really cranking. I haven't checked logs in awhile but damn lol
balmy condor
I think the last time I checked fatebound in m+ it was like 9-11% behind
strange sleet
they nerfed SP, I can't believe it... now that I'm starting to play it again. Also they buffed boomkin, the motherfuckers
balmy condor
The fact that deathstalker has aoe only talents like ctw and momentum
And fatebound self-nerfs itself with more targets
Is so fucking stupid
whole mason
Might be a good choice with some crit gears
tall jay
i enjoy both, but switching is always a pain. i don't have time to gear for 2 sp...
I do too but since I can’t play as much I can only focus on one spec lol
zinc frost
Its okay fatebound season 3 
real pike
@balmy condor why do you have brocolli tucked into your headset
balmy condor
Unless hero talents get reworked fatebound is just hopeless
cloud basin
We can hope lol
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> why do you have brocolli tucked into your headset
It’s a lil herbie leaf my gf crocheted
balmy condor
Good reminder
indigo mulch
I'm curious why they decided to nerf fire, ww and sp but outlaw who does way more damage then all those 3 specs remains untouched? Is it just cause they were stacked in the race? lol
balmy condor
What
errant swallow
indigo mulch
I mean i'm just going off based on logs here.
balmy condor
Are you seriously implying that fire and windwalker
indigo mulch
What i'm seeing.
balmy condor
Weren’t insanely overtuned
indigo mulch
oh they were i'm not saying that at all lol
indigo totem
<@167090536602140682> why do you have brocolli tucked into your headset
They turn into cauliflower after too much feely/napkin craft like a cursed mood ring
balmy condor
outlaw's logs are like 2 fights I think or something
yeah 1 outlaw parse on sprocketmonger lmao
tall atlas
Is that mythic
tall atlas
Can’t really look at mythic rn sample size is too small
balmy condor
oh 72 rik parses for outlaw
so that entered statistics
I don't think that was in statistics yesterday
tall atlas
Heroic would probs give you a better idea of overall metrics as most of the top logs will be mythic geared people
thorn thorn
who gives a shit about heroic
All of the casual guilds will be furious about this after they get aotc a week before season ends
neat flame
who gives a shit about heroic
dad guild andys
sonic schooner
Whispyr we re all coming back to assa now, be ready to be spammed by really dumb question like "why this trinket X is better than this trinket Y"
tall atlas
But again then it’s shorter fight lengths
indigo mulch
But just looking at stix even if its just 7 logs, that damage is pretty high lmao
severe meadow
Pretty sure outlaw only had several hundred parses on Gally last I checked
Like not even 300
sonic schooner
Guys do u know the secret of outlaw actually?
balmy condor
But just looking at stix even if its just 7 logs, that damage is pretty high lma...
yeah but you can't look at anything with that sample size
sonic schooner
balmy condor
like there's 1 arcane, survival, and feral druid
feral druid is like 40% behind everyone else
must be shit
indigo mulch
That noggenfogger trinket for outlaw is pretty dope lmao
tall atlas
Which is why you look at heroic
real pike
back to the use it should have imo
balmy condor
heroic data is useless for other reasons
sonic schooner
yea i usually dont look at any data below 100 parses
hollow pier
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
sonic schooner
people in my guild spamming me to play outlaw showing me logs when this is a 10 sample thing
neat flame
norm and lfr parses is the real analysis
sonic schooner
Also i said yea sure i can play outlaw if u re ready to deal with killing spree on lockenshit
balmy condor
I'm sure these 2:45 minute heroic cauldron of carnage kills provide deep insightful information about class balance
surely right
severe meadow
thorn thorn
balmy condor
3 minute sprocketmonger kills is where the real data is at
sonic schooner
my kill timer on cauldron nm, it s just not it lmao
balmy condor
most respectable guilds won't even be doing normal anymore
heroic at least they like maybe do
tall atlas
Nah I did say there are fight length issues
balmy condor
but we were rolling like 90% of heroic gear off for transmog this week
just dead difficulty
thorn thorn
Im a DF baby, I am told once upon a time Heroic was a difficulty
shy creek
Is this season length normal for gear upgrades? Being BIS after two and a half weeks save for mythic raid and vault feels very odd
balmy condor
depends on what normal means
it's normal for a post-shadowlands world of warcraft yes
brazen sluice
are we ahead than sub in st after buffs?
balmy condor
dragonflight changed gearing in very drastic ways with crests and m+ difficult curve reworks
shy creek
Im a relatively new player which has only ever played two toher seasons of WoW
Last season and season 1 of DF
balmy condor
yeh
shy creek
so those are my only comparison point s
balmy condor
then this is the new normal
sonic schooner
Yea idk we still did nm this week for w/e reason, guess it was fun
idk if everyone in the guild did a droptimizer i m sure we could ve skipped it
real pike
thx4 ballin vid as always whispyr
balmy condor
np
real pike
I'm excited for raid Weds
chilly marsh
about Mega Magnet or talent makes it do 30% dmg then? also is there a number of stacks i should use or just after deathmark bust end?
chilly marsh
is there any wa to track lingering? never did it before
balmy condor
most wa packs should be tracking it considering we do it for dry shiv
shy creek
Heres a harder weak aura question, lets say you have a weakaura you really like that doesn't track certain things
For instance, the WA I ues doesn't track supercharged combo points, where do I even begin to try to edit that in
neat flame
make your own in parallel if you want it
like i use [redacted]'s wa
and then edited in my own dry shiv tracker
indigo mulch
I think Lisonna's WA tracks supercharged combo points, you can just look at hers and yoink it i guess
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ebon temple
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
- Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
- Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
- Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy
dawn heath
aura buff is just not what assa needs
indigo mulch
I mean a almost 6% ST buff is pretty decent o.O
shy creek
Im happy they looked at it considering how well sub is performing
dawn heath
I mean a almost 6% ST buff is pretty decent o.O
3% of that is from the aura
half tartan
assassin is tank damage ST in dungeons
shy creek
assassin is tank damage ST in dungeons
Laughs in prot warrior
dawn heath
i think they could have like done a 10% ST increase while nerfing our aoe by like 5-10%
shy creek
i think they could have like done a 10% ST increase while nerfing our aoe by lik...
They could have
They chose to buff our single target outright
Nerfing our aoe wouldnt have made us happier
indigo mulch
I mean, even if its so bad, there are still 2 rogues on the top20 highest key done.
shy creek
You could be an arcane mage
dawn heath
because our aoe is op
shy creek
Life is sunshine and rainbows
When you look at it that way
Just be happy man
The fact that they even looked at us, im happy
dawn heath
assa and boomy most borken aoe specializations
indigo mulch
I mean there has to be a trade off no?
grave osprey
Year of the dagger bois! Now im gonna gap my friends even harder in m+ next week
Thanks blizz
dawn heath
sub is not worth it
half tartan
sub falls off on long pulls sadgely
shy creek
Right, but we have to have tradeoffs somewhere
dawn heath
does too low overall dps
grave osprey
Suwub is boring
grave osprey
Assuwussination is way more fun
half tartan
can we just give sub caustic splatter combined with restless blades and trickster
shadow damage caustic darkness
indigo mulch
Why is that a bad thing tho? As long as your doing your part it should be fine no?
oO
I mean, if we're doing extremly high aoe but low ST it does balance itself out in the end no? Or i'm i just smoking crack here?
half tartan
if the wall are bosses no
grave osprey
Pretty sure assa close to #1 dps in overall. We overtaking enhance for the throne!!
half tartan
or if it increasses the difficulty dramatically
dawn heath
Pretty sure assa close to #1 dps in overall. We overtaking enhance for the thron...
yeah its pretty good i think unholy dk and boomies compete with us on overall
and obviously a pi'd fire mage
half tartan
Pretty sure assa close to #1 dps in overall. We overtaking enhance for the thron...
where are the evidences https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?bracket=15
grave osprey
Unholy dk is only good in giga pulls
sudden brook
where are the evidences https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?bracket=15
These aren't dps logs
grave osprey
where are the evidences https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?bracket=15
Buffs arent in yet bud
dawn heath
Unholy dk is only good in giga pulls
u sure about that?
grave osprey
March 25th
dawn heath
assa losing afuck ton of ranks this week because of the emissary
keeping us in combat
but u can clearly see
unholy is not just good damage in big pulls
its good damage period
half tartan
its sick ST
grave osprey
u sure about that?
After march 25th- yes I’m pretty sure about that.
mighty vine
12+ doesn’t have emissary
grave osprey
Specially in 95% of pulls that dont involve pulling half the dungeon at Once
dawn heath
12+ doesn’t have emissary
the data is not only from 12-17 even though it says that
its a visual bug
mighty vine
Ah gotcha
dawn heath
its from all key levels
half tartan
what do you guys do when your tank is making fun of you on boss fights
do you just listen to the used
dawn heath
has never happend
marble hemlock
tricks him, pull more trash, vanish and hearthstone out
indigo mulch
^
waxen oyster
aint no way you losing to the tank on st
sonic schooner
it s 12 to 17 range keys right? So there are none of the affix you talk about in there
shy creek
????????
crude dock
2 min cooldown deathmark
dawn heath
its from all key levels
.
crude dock
not deathstalkers mark
crude dock
i mean yeah
waxen oyster
your tank wont have cds either
if he did a big pull
aint no way a prot warrior pulling big and not pressing demolish demo shout avatar
and roar
shy creek
I dont evne know how to argue with the level of bullshit you're spewing
waxen oyster
People largely exaggerate how bad this spec’s st is
Just sounds like a personal issue
waxen oyster
You will not lose to the tank
strange sleet
bro I do the same dps on my 630 SP as my 654 rogue
it's horrible
let's see with the buffs
shy creek
Obviously you're not gonna lose to the tank lmfao, but for the first bit where you have no KB or Dm on boss, you're gonna be doing pretty bad damage
balmy condor
breaking news here at 9pm pacific time from the ravenholdt assassination channel
I'm live on the scene
reporting that a burst spec does not do damage without cooldowns
waxen oyster
crude dock
balmy condor
this is very interesting stuff and the situation is developing in real time
back to the studio for more
waxen oyster
whispyr can we get a closeup on sub with no blades or flag
shy creek
400k dps incoming
balmy condor
in other news, water is wet, grass is green
balmy condor
did you guys know that outlaw doesn't do damage if they don't press between the eyes, vanish, or adrenaline rush?
kinda crazy ngl
void pecan
Tell me more.
grave trail
in other news, water is wet, grass is green
Grass is brownish at my house
balmy condor
unlucky
simple rivet
in other news, water is wet, grass is green
my grass brown
balmy condor
nah but for real
why the fuck are we still surprised
that specs don't do damage without their defining spells
no fucking shit sherlock assa doesn't do damage without deathmark
did you need a college degree to deduce that
shy creek
Because thats not what was said LOL
waxen oyster
You’ll have cds up mid pull
balmy condor
I mean it kinda is
crude dock
tbf he was joking at the start lol
balmy condor
it's not just you, you're just here in this case
crude dock
Shit you might lose
lol
balmy condor
but this is like
balmy condor
a 2-3 times a week argument we have in here
waxen oyster
mid fight
crude dock
fair
brave comet
we're actually taking this shitty thing
balmy condor
where people randomly just have an epiphany
brave comet
that makes our energy suck
balmy condor
that they go into a fight with no deathmark
and then are surprised that they do no damage
shy creek
that makes our energy suck
Yeah, I've tried playing it last season for fun just to see and its a bit harder to get used to the difficulty, but im sur ewith practice it'll be fine
crude dock
LOL
void pecan
Just go to bed now, and come back tomorrow.
void pecan
pOoLiNg?!
brave comet
how about this instead
i sacrifice 0.7% of my damage and feel good about not having to spend half of my energy on a single mutilate
balmy condor
technically it would be going from 1/6th of your energy to slightly less than 1/4th of your energy
waxen oyster
i want them to bring back agonizing poison for a week
just to watch this channel have a meltdown
about starvation
peak lake
Sooo dropping ma for vv mean we have a vanish for reapplying mark on shitty boss like cauldron 😄
I like this
waxen oyster
also good for when you env an add and your mark just
disappears
because indie devs
balmy condor
cauldron is probably the easiet mark movement but yeah you can use vanish for that now instead I guess
cauldron legit just gives you 15 seconds where it goes MOVE YOUR MARK NOW!
big flashing arrows
peak lake
Ye not speciallt about this boss but as z general rule im happy to have my vanish up
waxen oyster
tbh im still not a huge fan of sin needs vanish/stealth to apply mark
meanwhile sub can just shadowstrike for it
Even though ds sub is dead
brave comet
deathmark sucks change my mind
shy creek
meanwhile sub can just shadowstrike for it
outlaw can sinister strike for it too
not sure why assa is the odd one out either
shy creek
deathmark sucks change my mind
Idt my qualm is with deathmark, its probably with KB
Deathmark from like a thematic angle is pretty sick
shy creek
My favorite is my raid leader asking why my dps goes from top to 5th every other pull consistently
and having to explain its whether i rng my way into dps
waxen oyster
sin rng aint that bad
vague dagger
Yoo haven’t played Assa this season, the bleed build just refers to MA/Sudden demise or??
shy creek
Yoo haven’t played Assa this season, the bleed build just refers to MA/Sudden de...
It refers to a build that takes arterial precision over kingsbane and double poisons
vague dagger
Woahh okay that sounds wicked
brave comet
sin rng aint that bad
it depends on how you define "aint that bad"
waxen oyster
seal fate is most of it
plucky quail
It refers to a build that takes arterial precision over kingsbane and double poi...
Is it listed anywhere? I can't find it on WoWhead or pins
shy creek
Is it listed anywhere? I can't find it on WoWhead or pins
WoWhead, if you scroll down Whispyr has written a guide on it
midnight mist
cant believe sin is getting buffed like in s1
next week its gonna get another buff again no cap
vague dagger
WoWhead, if you scroll down Whispyr has written a guide on it
Ty
brave comet
cant believe sin is getting buffed like in s1
i hope we had 3 weeks of having shadow priests fuck on us
do you know how traumatizing that is
plucky quail
WoWhead, if you scroll down Whispyr has written a guide on it
Ok I just didn't go far enough. Thanks!
shy creek
Its in his talent build section, not his rotation section is why
shy creek
Tried the bleed build earlier
Its cool
Felt more in line with what i imagined assa rogue to feel like tbh
waxen oyster
i liked it in df
and by liked i really mean i pressed shiv near SD range to give the evoker 20 bursting stacks
and kill him on cd
shy creek
plucky quail
So is the bleed build good for keys around 10-12 or does it fall off before that
lofty junco
lol just a few days after i swapped to sub for better progress in raid and smoother m+ they are buffing sin? 
shy creek
So is the bleed build good for keys around 10-12 or does it fall off before that
Seems fine overall for that range
waxen oyster
wouldnt even say sub was better for the earlier bosses
shy creek
lol just a few days after i swapped to sub for better progress in raid and smoot...
Tbh if you want smoother prog for m+ and ur not playing with a coordinated group, im pretty sure you play assa anyway
waxen oyster
vexie i guess depends when your guild slams bikes in for first burn
lofty junco
Tbh if you want smoother prog for m+ and ur not playing with a coordinated group...
i had the problem all the tnaks did chainpull so no stealth between packs
shy creek
Scream at your tank
waxen oyster
yep
mental thistle
so, are we changing this build ?
shy creek
Or just take double vanish and just dont use it for dmg and ues it for that restealth
Thats what I do
shy creek
so, are we changing this build ?
Iron wire versus Sanguine blades is a decision you can make, but if you'er pugging stuff, iron wire will carry you far
But otherwise, yes
lofty junco
so i would assume sub and sina re not equaly good for progress?
waxen oyster
Depends on boss
balmy condor
so, are we changing this build ?
m+ builds aren't changing
waxen oyster
rik you can make the case for sub if your guild's barrel damage sucks
lofty junco
u can't splash dmage the barrels with sin?
shy creek
Yea big assumption
LOL
But they're both fine tbh
Stix is probably the only boss where I think Assa hard wins out
mental thistle
m+ builds aren't changing
thx, and for m+ this changes are buffs ?
waxen oyster
stix likely can go either way.
lofty junco
Stix is probably the only boss where I think Assa hard wins out
yeah my damagbe numbers on sin even before the buff was massivily different for hc stix compared to sub
waxen oyster
im pretty sure the buffs make spatter damage better since more damage shifted into poisons
@balmy condor does the poison dam from vv spatter
lofty junco
wtf happened to outlaw?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> does the poison dam from vv spatter
yes
waxen oyster
always has been good
shy creek
They're just goated over there LOL
shy creek
Hey thats at least 5 players
waxen oyster
pretty sure the only people play outlaw on stix
shy creek
Leave them alone
waxen oyster
are really good at it
sonic schooner
waxen oyster
probably loktark darva
sonic schooner
first thing to check
waxen oyster
idk who else
shy creek
^
waxen oyster
even zac is a sellout nowadays smh
sonic schooner
and even 70 is too small tbh but w/e, sitll 45415415% better than 7
with a parse that look lik ethis
blazing pumice
french are the first to surrender
shy creek
Never trust outlaw stats in general
waxen oyster
loktark kind of built diff
shy creek
They're fake news
waxen oyster
in all honesty
brave comet
so pooling conditions is basically only 4 seconds before kingsbane, otherwise jsut spam finishers right?
sonic schooner
lofty junco
stix likely can go either way.
probably still gonna play sub for m+, since my fixed m+ tank doesn't want to wait for restealth
but glad that i can do chose between sin and sub depending on the boss now
void pecan
Gimping himself.
sonic schooner
having a boomie dead the whole fight looks like, only one mage one sp, probably not a single ball mecanic to do
give it 100 more sample before checking
lofty junco
having a boomie dead the whole fight looks like, only one mage one sp, probably ...
our boomie even camps in the tank now cause he always dies on hc stix to the adds cause of starfall aggro
waxen oyster
yeah doing a ball hurts the least as sub
unless you're stupid and hit blades 1s before sorting
and get picked
sonic schooner
eh i wouldnt say so, depends on how u wanna send ur cd i guess but even if u dont during adds, u dont get the cdr and so lose on like 2 entire casts of dance, idk must suck for sub as well real hard. Cant tell i was benched
lofty junco
yeah doing a ball hurts the least as sub
first boss is much easier as sub as well. cause in our raid the stun phase is around 1.5 minutes after fight starts. so sin suffers there too
sonic schooner
i wanna check what sub does on stix timing wise
shy creek
Its not a fixed 4 seconds, its closer to saying that you're just waiting for half energy or watching your thistle tea
sonic schooner
looks all the same below so, just cd on boss and do negativ damage on adds
strange python
i wanna check what sub does on stix timing wise
I just killed as sub last night on stix
sonic schooner
lofty junco
how long does it usualy take for the guides to be updated?
shy creek
how long does it usualy take for the guides to be updated?
By the time I get news
Whispyr has a video up
hes fast
sonic schooner
whispyr going fast fast on the hype to get more views i see, doing youtube monney for real
Jk u rock as always whispyr 
lofty junco
crying he really does
yeah was the first thing watching after i woke up^^
shy creek
this shouldnt affect how i envenom when im low?
So if you play twist the knife, you just send envenom until ur out of energy
grave osprey
holyyy ~5% buff overall w/ blindside. hellzzz ye
shy creek
In raid talents, you're sort of relying on blindside procs anyhow
And then you can do a minor bit of pooling before kingsbane
Its a bit tricky to know exactly how much energy you'll need because blindside affects how much energy you actually need
I simply do not care and just hit it off cd cuz who cares
lofty junco
tbh sometimes i miss the old blindside as extra skill
shy creek
If you're in M+ talents, your single target is completely reliant on envenom pooling
lofty junco
If you're in M+ talents, your single target is completely reliant on envenom poo...
tbh its why i ahte tyrannical on sin. after sometime u jsut ahve no tea, and are even pooling for like 20 seconds cause no energy
waxen oyster
every week is tyrannical
shy creek
^
I forgot that tyrannical existed as a concept until the beginning of this season and somebody said it to me
waxen oyster
realistically you're waiting maybe 3-4 gcds for energy
lofty junco
tbh ever since they reworked the old sub from wod to legion i didn't had fun with it until tww
glad i can enjoy all rogue speccs now....IF i just could get a fucking 1h
shy creek
Playing sub/assa is always easy to swap between gear
I made aw hole new rogue to play outlwa for fun though
Its a pain to get thier gear set last season
waxen oyster
wod sub was literally send cds
shy creek
this season haste vers is p easy to get
lofty junco
wod sub was literally send cds
i liked the mastery with the hasten dots^^
waxen oyster
i dont recall it hasting dots
idk too long ago
legion sub was fun
well tos rework
early legion was wtf
gray raven
we get another 1/2 spark next week?
waxen oyster
you always get a half every week
shy creek
we get another 1/2 spark next week?
half every week
next week will be our third craft
Cuz of the extra we got last week or this week
gray raven
oh i did main hand and it's corresponding nerubian piece
so whatever holes are left then eh
shy creek
Yea p much
Whatever vault does/doesn't bless you with
Fill in the gaps where you see necessary
lofty junco
btw if playing both sub and sin, what stats do we chose for crafting?
errant swallow
mastery/crit probably
balmy condor
nice
lethal arrow
like motherload soccer
balmy condor
oh
like kick into boss and then burst boss
and then run around and kick
that doesn't sound bad
shy creek
motherload first boss
balmy condor
lethal arrow
and they can spawn in africa if ur not positioned properly/he bugs out
and it takes like 4 bombs each
subtle kiln
Gives you time to think about your mistakes in life.
rotund marsh
indigo mulch
Do we pool anything when we run VV? O.o Or is it still just waiting for kb?
balmy condor
dapper cradle
watching the whispyr video rn
will be asking questions that he answers in it shortly
indigo mulch
❤️
ruby gyro
Guys what talents are you using for raiding?
ruby gyro
Oki thank you 😊
frigid niche
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer