do I have an ilvl 700 ring to replace it?
#assassination
faint path
ye ...
lost wolf
well I guess that settles it
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
humble verge
is this what yo uwanted
median citrus
might just start building intellect so i can be smarter with my decisions
analog field
Hello guys, i had funhouse lens hero 6/6 and mechano core champion 8/8 and i got signet from priory which i can fully upgrade to hero 6/6. Sim showing funhouse lens and mechano is a better combination a (about 0.3%) so irrelevant. Shouldnt signet be stronger?
shy creek
Should it ? Possibly
Does it make sense? maybe
The answer youre looking for is that inherently we dont know
We rely on simulations to tell us the avg dps gain of a trinket
long pollen
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
analog field
I understand that just making sure I haven't done something wrong or something data I am missing.
upbeat cave
Hi All, Would it be possible to get a log review. I am new to Sin and looking to improve. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/93699082?difficulty=4
Would be great to get some pointers on where I am going wrong and what to improve on. Feel free to take a look at logs from tonights raid - Rik and Cauldron I fucked up and I lost and didnt reapply deaths mark
shy creek
I understand that just making sure I haven't done something wrong or something d...
Nah, probably not
shy creek
Hi All, Would it be possible to get a log review. I am new to Sin and looking to...
Yes give me a bit to look through
upbeat cave
Yes give me a bit to look through
Thanks a lot
shy creek
Thanks a lot
Can you pick a specific log for me to look through
upbeat cave
Take Mug Zee as the example
shy creek
This is good
The vanish on your first DM is a bit late
Should be in the ladt six seconds of your DM
upbeat cave
The vanish on your first DM is a bit late
I saved vanish because sadly I am soaking
So I save vanish ambush to reapply mark on add
shy creek
You dont need to swap your mark thay intensely
Oh you mean the ones inside the jail?
I would swap this normally
upbeat cave
Yeah
shy creek
Just stack to get your darkest night and then swap the deathstalkers to the add inside the jail
It requires good timing but as you continue playing the fight, you will get it fine
upbeat cave
Just stack to get your darkest night and then swap the deathstalkers to the add ...
I did try this but some pulls I was holding for some time
But I till try that again
shy creek
Itll be a fairly decent dmg increase to vanish inside DM
Your dry shiv timing is wrong, its meant to be after your Dm and inside lingering darkness while you have darkest night
dapper cradle
Itll be a fairly decent dmg increase to vanish inside DM
Dry shiv? Nah, I need that wet shiv. I want my shiv sloppy. I want my shiv dripping. I want my shiv gushing. I want my shiv creamy. When I pull my shiv, it better sound like bare feet sinking into mud. It better sound like a spoon stirring mac and cheese drowning in butter. It better sound like a swamp bubbling on a hot summer day. If my shiv isn’t moist, messy, and downright disgusting, I don’t want it.
haughty flicker
stop it
dapper cradle
I’ll stop when we stop this dry shiving lunacy
upbeat cave
Your dry shiv timing is wrong, its meant to be after your Dm and inside lingerin...
Alrighty, so use during LD while I have DN, got it
upbeat cave
Your dry shiv timing is wrong, its meant to be after your Dm and inside lingerin...
Is there anything else I need to consider/improve on?
shy creek
Is there anything else I need to consider/improve on?
LOL sorry im out at dinner rn so ill have to take a look later
Food got here
upbeat cave
LOL sorry im out at dinner rn so ill have to take a look later
No problem, thanks for the time
brave comet
my guild has ranking disabled on warcraftlogs by privatizing logs
so i can not be ranked! my ego! how can i satisfy my ego without seeing a number on my page
brave comet
i play to get numbers, kills dont matter. theyre secondary to the objective
pure moth
Log yourself perhaps? Or time to find a new guild
brave comet
i did, i logged myself. if majority of the players are from a guild that has stealth mode enabled. any logs created can not be ranked
if the guild has automatic battlenet integration disabled
royal lantern
Log yourself perhaps? Or time to find a new guild
if your guild private logs you cant do that
and if you could, that would be kinda a dick move lol
solar thunder
is there any macros that I need to use for assassin?
brave comet
!shiv
runic hinge
is there any macros that I need to use for assassin?
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
you can also do something like this
macroing DM with a trinket plus tempered potion t2
haughty flicker
just put /use 13 and you wont have to change the macro every time you change trinkets
or /use 14, whichever slot your on use is in
shy creek
i did, i logged myself. if majority of the players are from a guild that has ste...
You can check your damage and then open warcraft logs to sorta through your dmg snd see ur parse
I do it sometimes watching rtwf players cuz thye dont log and im curious exactly how good they are
it turns out, they are in fact very good
royal lantern
it turns out, they are in fact very good
lies
vapid sierra
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
humble verge
i did, i logged myself. if majority of the players are from a guild that has ste...
man, your guild not running normal logs sounds kinda sad
balmy condor
What exactly are we ignoring
runic hinge
The voices
last skiff
nevermind I just see its only 0,1%
balmy condor
The voices
Too loud
brave comet
man, your guild not running normal logs sounds kinda sad
yes it is
last skiff
Im not in the 2p 2p team anymore 
median citrus
GAMBLING!?
balmy condor
You can talent outlaw and get the same icon all the time
median citrus
WHERE
last skiff
its like playing outlaw as assa the dream
midnight arrow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4rhAXh7CxCHzmG9PLpvUxc
is there a reason youre simming without half the raid buffs
cursive marsh
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
last skiff
its a secret 
indigo mulch
It makes me sad when i've ran over 100 m+ this season and i still haven't managed to found a pair of bracers D:
midnight arrow
Windfury is more than raw dmg id assume
last skiff
ok let see only for your beautful eyes
last skiff
It makes me sad when i've ran over 100 m+ this season and i still haven't manage...
craft one next week
merry juniper
!shiv
last skiff
Windfury is more than raw dmg id assume
midnight arrow
Huge difference in recommended gear there
balmy condor
Yeh the raid buffs don’t change much in the way of gear recommendations
torn herald
What talents is everyone using for each boss in raid? Just changing caustic?
last skiff
you can see that in warcraft log if you selec a boss/difficulty/spec, y will see most played build
but yes
torn herald
yeah, I saw some using it but some fights would be 2% damage and others would be a lot higher
for the not so obvious fights that is
last skiff
I just keep caustic cause I forget to swap 
torn herald
thats usually where I end up too lol
balmy condor
They stack
rotund marsh
and whats different between that and a writhing armor banding?
balmy condor
You can’t put ascendance on a non-weapon, and you can’t put writhing armor banding on a weapon, and you don’t want to craft 2 daggers
rotund marsh
okay gotcha, didnt know that you had the option to do it either way
but you dont want 2 daggers because its likely you will find a non crafted upgrade?
balmy condor
You don’t want to craft 2 daggers cause spending that many crests on a useless piece of shit slot is less than ideal
Especially for something you’re gonna replace down the road
rotund marsh
oh right.. i kinda forgot the off hand slot is pretty much meaningless besides ilvl and the attack spd
was this always like that?
balmy condor
Yes
Kinda
Idk what always means in this case, it’s changed over the last 2 decades
But since like WoD era yes
balmy condor
Np
cyan dew
can I use a shyv at 5cp, get 6 and a FoK to 7 and do a dry shiv?
thorn thorn
i misread, yeah you can do that
Your name is based asf
thorn thorn
@fallow canopy 
strange sleet
Nice logs
severe meadow
ty king
strange sleet
These are mine. First time rading in HC. With a guild I just joined like 2 days ago.
Sadly I died on the second breath of the second encounter and they did not rez me. Also my pc just flops with 30 ppl, average of 25 fps... I had 7 seconds freezes in Rik and Sprocketmonger... but It was a good experience anyways, pretty fun
strange sleet
yes
severe meadow
xd
strange sleet
hahaha
severe meadow
Ask me how I know you did that
strange sleet
how did you know?
strange sleet
silk sundial
Mythic vexi do you use cds on pull, if you do, do you have them up for the burn? Or do you hold dm for the burn?
fallow canopy
Mythic vexi do you use cds on pull, if you do, do you have them up for the burn?...
depends on your group but you will have them either way, be it at the start of the amp or like halfway through it
hidden bay
on pull, then first breakdown and hold for next breakdown
fallow canopy
I just send on pull
hidden bay
on pull, then first breakdown and hold for next breakdown
how i know? 
best thing you can do is looking at other logs
it will improve how you play
alpine pagoda
hidden bay
boostrun logs 
tranquil bough
Are they going to do something about our shitty 4p eventually lol
strange sleet
https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113
tranquil bough
even fully upgraded hero pieces sims lower than my s1 mythic 2p
strange sleet
yes they will
tranquil bough
#feelsbad
strange sleet
eventually they will nerf s1 2pc
tranquil bough
lol
balmy condor
Yeh most likely outcome is a s1 nerf
They haven’t announced any tuning so far
So I would assume maybe this week?
Hopefully this week
Would be insane for them to not tune a 3rd reset in a row
thorn thorn
Probably next week so the MW players can cope longer
tranquil bough
fully upgraded s2 hero pieces is like a 4% dmg lose according to sims
balmy condor
That sounds very wrong
tranquil bough
balmy condor
Fully upgraded should be equal or close
tranquil bough
did i do something wrong
tranquil bough
i did?
balmy condor
Yeh that’ll do it
tranquil bough
Oh thanks
balmy condor
Yeh that looks much better
tranquil bough
Yeah makes sens, i guess I only have to wait time gated crest and charges :p
silk sundial
how i know? <:Kappa:1240621338482442251>
Kinda messed up my cds a bit but got a 98
hidden bay
couldve easily run a 100 on rik reverb.
boss came down with 400mil, i threw full cds on and went into boss to get stunned 
boss was just melting with me stunned on the ground, full cds ticking
digital venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tJqQhBL8RZJemDc2VC53gP
why is this ring so busted T.T
hidden bay
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tJqQhBL8RZJemDc2VC53gP
why is this ring ...
will take a moment
digital venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sF3npdEowd2hYJg9PfjTM1
weird he wants me to gem haste and versa and enchant crit but I guess secundaries don't matter much in assa.
My point with my sim is, how's the freaking cantrip ring at champion track better than any hero track ring?! And it's not even small margin.
fair ingot
for people playing the bleed build in higher keys
how many garrotes/ruptures are you aiming for before going into spatter damage?
still the same as with the "normal" m+ build or more?
tranquil bough
Did you not get a piece of tier?
i didnt get a single one from raid no
balmy condor
Yeesh
balmy condor
for people playing the bleed build in higher keys
how many garrotes/ruptures are...
No rotational changes with bleed build
fallow canopy
weird he wants me to gem haste and versa and enchant crit but I guess secundarie...
extra stats are good
more stats = big
hidden bay
since i wont see mythic tokens i had to max up heroic tokens 
wasted crests but it is what it is
digital venture
@fallow canopy no idea what you meant, just pissed I need to grind that shit up in normal ._.
haughty flicker
richard is not a very fun boss
keen spruce
graceful widget
What's the general advice for tyrannical weeks? Would dropping sudden demise for twist the knife be insane?
pushing 9s rn, I nkow 10 has both
vale lantern
dropping 15% bleed damage seems silly
dawn heath
What's the general advice for tyrannical weeks? Would dropping sudden demise for...
No
Just do good trash damage thats all you can do
Dont try to polish the turd that is your st just do what Assa does well
graceful widget
Lol that's fair, tyty
past oracle
aug tier
haughty flicker
its beautiful
past oracle
at least no one invites warlocks to 16s
dawn heath
Assa is alright in the right comp needs to be played with a fire mage to offset your low st. But sin can carry aoe damage really well
past oracle
sin is great in m+, you just dont bring anything
i love the weeks where i cant break the adds with my 2 feet blind
graceful widget
😠 fr
past oracle
do you guys think we spend too much time here and not enough time on the wow forums complaining
for buffs
in st
or like gameplay in general
not sure how any of you guys parse on mugzee or coin boy
our tanks tank the boss 100 feet from the adds
or cages
zero chance you have dn up if you are assigned to a cage
runic hinge
I don’t parse I just show up to make sure boss die
past oracle
you guys are better human beings than me
past oracle
i spent half the night on mugzee prog explaining to the raid what an equilateral triangle was
runic hinge
im a parse fiend but my tanks hate me
Real
hidden bay
i spent half the night on mugzee prog explaining to the raid what an equilateral...
are you atleast using visual note addon to make sure everyone understands?
past oracle
no i use mrt to draw dicks
hidden bay
respect
winged sun
i spent half the night on mugzee prog explaining to the raid what an equilateral...
wtf is an equilateral triangle
hidden bay
wtf is an equilateral triangle
a triangle in which all three sides have the same length
winged sun
I don’t think my math teacher will even know what it is after 3 months of not revising math
past oracle
winged sun
U deserve having to explain it half ur raid they probably didn’t understand shit anyways 
past oracle
i think they know they are just hoping reroll boom
winged sun
Time to do some raid movements on a polygon format boys, tanks open up your books chop chop
dapper cradle
i spent half the night on mugzee prog explaining to the raid what an equilateral...
damn wtf you guys are already on mythic mugzee?
dapper cradle
past oracle
not everyone in here is a nolife gooner
dawn heath
Not sure if sarcastic or hardcore projecting
You can be good at the game without Beeing a nolifer
bronze pike
that should go without saying
you only gotta no life for really really cutting edge shit
in keys
in raids i guess no lifeing rwf
dapper cradle
You can be good at the game without Beeing a nolifer
i wasn't even talking about wow
i was just talking about being a no life gooner
dawn heath
I was responding to nazgul
slow echo
We don't play around the new tier piece correct?
That might have been the dumbest question I've ever asked, ignore me
Granted I've asked pretty dumb questions
tawdry halo
^ my internal monologue
idle inlet
in m+ are we ever trying to play around pace maker or is it something that we dont really care about?
zinc frost
We don't play around the new tier piece correct?
Nope
slow echo
in m+ are we ever trying to play around pace maker or is it something that we do...
I feel like it should always line up with kingsbane
I'm assuming that's why the trinket sims so well
Because the tooltip says it's the first ability you use every 60 seconds
and if you crit enough it's a 30second buff
slow echo
in m+ are we ever trying to play around pace maker or is it something that we do...
For simplicity's sake I'd say don't play around it, but ideally you'd make sure your kingsbanes 14secs is within the pacemakers 30sec buff window every minute
novel arrow
Question about 4P: When we get jackpot. Do we still lose stacks afterwards?
coral ibex
doesn't matter, you dont play around it
novel arrow
It just seems so giga underwhelming.
coral ibex
it is
novel arrow
4 sec boost is like 2 rupture ticks.
Compared to.... "I shit out 3 Unstable afflictions randomly"
runic hinge
4 sec boost is like 2 rupture ticks.
It’s 10 seconds tooltip isn’t updated
novel arrow
It’s 10 seconds tooltip isn’t updated
Oh...... thats much better actually.
but do we lose stacks after?
bold roost
Playing my rogue as my 2nd toon this tier and I like both sub and assass but can’t tell if one is better in keys over the other or if it’s preference. Assass seems to be in more of the top keys but sub seems to be the go to for raid bosses with cleave?
runic hinge
but do we lose stacks after?
Dunno I haven’t looked at the buff
I just play cause it doesn’t matter
lethal arrow
Our class is just too strong to give us a good set bonus
midnight arrow
but do we lose stacks after?
pretty sure u return to the amnt of stacks you were at before 4pc procced
static glacier
Playing my rogue as my 2nd toon this tier and I like both sub and assass but can...
Sin has better aoe, sub is better st
novel arrow
Looking at warcraftlogs. I seems 4 set procs and refreshes itself right? Just like the Pin says. People have 10 stacks for like 2 mins straight. And then all stacks drop.
So it seems stacks do drop afterwards, but you can kinda proc itself over and over again if ur lucky. I think thats what I'm seeing
wise goblet
lost credit on my 12 dfc -_-
grim jay
Or you simply get an eye of kezan and don't worry about it
Id rather worry about smth than use kezan.
cinder bone
nothing like drunken homework keys
balmy condor
Or you simply get an eye of kezan and don't worry about it
Kezan in m+ 
red schooner
Dry shiv + caustic is a great feeling
lethal arrow
mr wowhead u said it was A tier
red schooner
Big numbers make me happy
lethal arrow
i dont read the fine print
red schooner
11.5 mil crit in raid, huge.
lethal arrow
gotta find ur highest vexie crit
rare isle
How much do secondaries matter for assa? Is it reasonable to swap assa in certain fights with sub mastery/vers gear? Or should I just stick to sub even on annoying sub fights?
red schooner
gotta find ur highest vexie crit
I'm saving that for when I'm having a bad day
lethal arrow
How much do secondaries matter for assa? Is it reasonable to swap assa in certai...
mastery is good on sub
and ass
vers is whatever
red schooner
So I can look at the log and go... Life is okay, I did a big envenom
lethal arrow
but there are no bad secondaries
rare isle
So sub gear works for assa then, is my interpretation of this? 😁👍
balmy condor
mr wowhead u said it was A tier
It’s A tier cause it’s good in mythic raids cause the execute and shit, the stacks drop very quickly out of combat so kezan legit just never stacks in m+
lethal arrow
ye
balmy condor
It loses like legit half its value
runic hinge
John wowhead leading us astray again smh my head
lethal arrow
It’s A tier cause it’s good in mythic raids cause the execute and shit, the stac...
not unless you giga chad big dick chain pull infinite
balmy condor
If it were just as good in m+ it would still be S
lethal arrow
at least thats what the warrior in my guild says
balmy condor
not unless you giga chad big dick chain pull infinite
Yeah 4 min chain pull and then maintain that chain forever
static glacier
It loses like legit half its value
More I swear
Rp / long walks or any kind of skip turbobrick it to 0 stacks
static glacier
Ovi egg was better than hc eye for me
static glacier
begging my vault to sauce me a pacemaker then
Got it yesterday, been using it for shorter fights too
subtle tundra
first time we get to p3 sprocketmonger and it almost died
fucking blizzard making the boss a joke
(its still really hard, just not insanely hard)
runic hinge
(its still really hard, just not insanely hard)
Just like me
grim tree
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
golden loom
gotta find ur highest vexie crit
cinder bone
when you drunkenly sign up for a +10 but leader forgets to drop it from an 11 and you have the key of your life
golden loom
(its still really hard, just not insanely hard)
fun boss?
golden loom
so it will get nerfed again 
cinder bone
i cant believe we timed that 11 dfc when my drunk ass just wanted a 10 completion for vault
subtle tundra
oh yeah a bunch
cinder bone
might have to push all my keys drunk now
red schooner
It is the best way
winter glade
Is Authority of the Depths or Authority of Radiant Power better for Keys? I assume Radiant but am I missing something?
cinder bone
boomer brain
static glacier
Is Authority of the Depths or Authority of Radiant Power better for Keys? I assu...
Power better multitarget, depths is pure st
royal lantern
talking around banned words is still not allowed 🙂
cinder bone
my bad
balmy condor
yeh that ain't it chief
cinder bone
deleted
lethal arrow
static glacier
Stop being Boomer brain
balmy condor
!warn @cinder bone filter evade bad
lethal arrow
stop being a stupid ass idiot
lethal arrow
gl!
red schooner
Does that merge up with the one from school?
static glacier
😂😂😂😂
cinder bone
I have a felony record so I think i can live with this
red schooner
I have a felony record so I think i can live with this
This is worse
lethal arrow
cinder bone
its like 12 years old now
lethal arrow
aight im out wtf
static glacier
<:Monka:910850418987393025>
He knows where you live
lethal arrow
hes not coming to discord tomorrow
subtle tundra
i want a felony record too
static glacier
Gg whispyr about to whisper
red schooner
its like 12 years old now
Oh shit it's older than a good chunk of wow players
subtle tundra
sounds cool af
static glacier
Rogue irl
cinder bone
nah i was a heroin addict have 10 years clean now, almost 11
balmy condor
oh shit
red schooner
nah i was a heroin addict have 10 years clean now, almost 11
Congratulations
cinder bone
back when heroin still existed before this garbage fent
lethal arrow
type shit
balmy condor
that's a big hurdle man congrats
cinder bone
tyty
lethal arrow
cant believe theyre plaguing our streets with fent
subtle tundra
heroin sounds bad
cinder bone
all glory to god i take no credit
subtle tundra
or good. why is it call HERO IN
balmy condor
why aren't you spinnin on it varas how bout that
tawny geyser
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1349776810942009354/IM...
No better refreshment😂
balmy condor
true actually
cinder bone
but yeah life good now, married 9 years, daughter about to turn 2. Couldn't ask for me
royal lantern
i did spin
spinning crane kick goes hard ngl
cinder bone
more*
subtle tundra
sprocket dead -> one armed bandit prog -> dead on sunday -> prog mugzee
static glacier
Bro turned it around
cinder bone
im a grad student so spring break this week + wife has the next 2 days off so been pushing hard before real life starts again
subtle tundra
dodge bro
dreamy rover
subtle tundra
what a hard boss
cinder bone
I miss raiding, one thing I cant set time aside for
subtle tundra
4 week tier, my prayers were answered
static glacier
You’re not missing out on much ngl
golden loom
got vacation next week, cant wait to do the exact same things I already am doing
static glacier
Keys > raid this tier
runic hinge
4 week tier, my prayers were answered
subtle tundra
great boss
spring is in full force, nice weather outside
ill be living LIFE
i wanna start playing tennis
cinder bone
anyway I should get some sleep, daughter is gonna week up at 7am pst tomrrow.
night gamers
subtle tundra
golden loom
im so happy at the moment just because theres some sunlight in the morning
static glacier
its actually crazy how much seasons impact mood
Winter bis
subtle tundra
maybe after prog i start attending classes
subtle tundra
summer is the devil indeed...
static glacier
Moved away, never really got my view on seasons fixed xd
golden loom
7 months of winter can suck it
subtle tundra
im it
static glacier
7? Bruh
golden loom
or I guess its like 5-6
strange python
Has anyone had issues macroing their signet with deathmark?
strange python
Hmmm, i use just a basic
and i have to spam it like 10-15 times for the trinket to actually trigger
balmy condor
try /use 13 or /use 14 for the top trinket/bottom trinket slot
strange python
Yeah i originally had it as /use 13
but changed to the above thinking that was the issue but it still did the same thing
balmy condor
and you're trying it on just dummies?
strange python
Just in keys last couple weeks
red schooner
but changed to the above thinking that was the issue but it still did the same t...
This may be a dumb question, the macro is on your bars instead of deathmark right?
strange python
it may be something on my end UI wise, if you haven't heard of it happening then im sure it's just a me thing
balmy condor
I would assume if it's in keys
you might be running into the classic affix PoV
cause the affix this week reduces cooldown times
strange python
This may be a dumb question, the macro is on your bars instead of deathmark righ...
Nah it's definitely on there because it's only a sometimes thing, and the trinket does trigger eventually
red schooner
Nah it's definitely on there because it's only a sometimes thing, and the trinke...
Okay fair! I spent a solid 20 minutes once trying to figure it out before when I hadn't put it on my bars so... It was worth asking!
strange python
Nah it's been happening since last week maybe longer
I'm sure it's a me issuee just thought i'd throw the question in here incase anyone else has noticed
strange python
Okay fair! I spent a solid 20 minutes once trying to figure it out before when I...
Haha dw i've done this too 🥲
bitter solar
I can confirm I noticed this by using the full name of trinket and slot numbers. Probably just aliens or something
static glacier
does the crit from seaforium count for effects like priory / maghar orc stat choice?
Seaforium is outsimming eye and I suspect some fuckery is going on
static glacier
guess we seaforium gamers for a while
no wonder boe neck was simming higher than mugzee
drifting cloud
well if it swap stats will be easy to notice because its going to go down like 20k+ dps
but not like its unusual for seaforium to outsim kezan on rogue, esp if youre doing 5min and you have them on different tracks
loud lance
Hey anyone got a Weakaura like this? Just to track the target´s/and active bleed´s.
storm hedge
Yo Whispyr. I think Atrophic is bugged again
static glacier
well if it swap stats will be easy to notice because its going to go down like 2...
yknow what the max combinations is for raidbots?
16m or is there a higher tier
storm hedge
Is it possible that warcraftlogs just gives the mitigation to both rogues but the actual mitigation is correct? Or does it stack again?
nimble vector
It has always stacked I don’t think it has ever functioned properly
Although it has been a while since I checked tbf
balmy condor
it was fixed on a ptr push randomly
but yes, that seems to be bugged again
maybe didn't make it into live server cause hotfix mess
golden loom
wait so you just bring 10 rogues to raid then?
nimble vector
balmy condor
wait so you just bring 10 rogues to raid then?
would be a 30.7% reduction I guess yeah
balmy condor
well no
golden loom
or is it multiplicative
balmy condor
yeh
golden loom
gg
balmy condor
everything in wow is multiplicative
red schooner
oh wait. monkerman! ! !! !!
May you one day be free from your monk prison
golden loom
would be funny if you just brought 10 rogues and boss suddenly does no damage
subtle tundra
May you one day be free from your monk prison
not a prison, feeling more free than ever
traaaaaalaaaaaaaalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
red schooner
not a prison, feeling more free than ever
You'll be back. They always come back.
red schooner
agreed but I can't leave
red schooner
this patch fucked me performance wise in raid
subtle tundra
did you know cauldron of carnage was bugged first week and had no enrage?
red schooner
idk what dark magic they employed at one armed bandit, but it fucks my frame rate
subtle tundra
you could kill the dino and the gorilla would just not enrage
subtle tundra
so you could play the fight for 30 minutes
red schooner
are you using the weakaura that gives u 30 fps more in raid?
nope, I ended up just upgrading my CPU
TBF it was due an upgrade anyhow, poor guy was showing its age
subtle tundra
on rik you could soak the pylons, run out of the range and go back in and take no damage
thanks blizzdong
red schooner
Ye that's dumb
subtle tundra
also why isnt the DN + mark bug not fixed yet?
red schooner
also why isnt the DN + mark bug not fixed yet?
Which bug is that one again?
subtle tundra
the one where mark stacks dont get consumed
red schooner
The one where deathstalkers just vanishes?
subtle tundra
why is master assassin not refreshing its duration still?
just very very poor quality of the game
but we have drive i guess
fierce sigil
Am i right that the Bosses in The raid are Not in a good Spot for assa?
golden loom
No? the spec is doing fine
fierce sigil
Ok then Maybe my 6k crit Are the Problem 😂 ill Need around 11-12k no?
subtle tundra
it is fine rn but it has been going down on statistics
midnight arrow
No
subtle tundra
Ok then Maybe my 6k crit Are the Problem 😂 ill Need around 11-12k no?
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
golden loom
nimble vector
If you enjoy playing assa just play assa you’ll be fine 🙂
red schooner
there truly is only one unplayable spec
F
static glacier
distant helm
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
thorn sierra
why does every assasination rogue i look at have radiant necromancers band with vers/mastery in top logs on raids/mythic plus, instead of a crit/mastery ring? am i missing something
red schooner
why does every assasination rogue i look at have radiant necromancers band with ...
Because stats are a lie
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
thorn sierra
ok thank you , just thought it was interesting top rogues were running vers on a ring , appreciate the info
lofty junco
anyone knows how many pots u get from a pot cualdron?
red schooner
ok thank you , just thought it was interesting top rogues were running vers on a...
It's just our secondaries are kinda close to each other when it comes to value so it's just... We sim, we equip what Sims best
warm lantern
ok thank you , just thought it was interesting top rogues were running vers on a...
sometimes dungs have lower amount of possible loot, might just be that your chance of getting that ring is pretty high and its got mastery. not sure tho
kinda like farming skardyns last season was better with outlaw loot spec as there was a dagger in the loot for sub/sin
balmy condor
what's wrong with vers ring
vers ring sims highest for me
crit > mast or whatever doesn't mean "literally nothing but crit and mast"
subtle tundra
ok thank you , just thought it was interesting top rogues were running vers on a...
they also could just have sub gear on
sicne stats dont matter
royal lantern
there truly is only one unplayable spec
BASED BASED
arctic mural
Does anyone have any idea why I'm being pulled out of stealth as the boss is being pulled? I've never had it happen before
hexed frost
why does every assasination rogue i look at have radiant necromancers band with ...
Because every top assa rogue also plays sub and V/M is a strong sub secondary
drifting cloud
probably helps it drops from a dungeon that has 5 items in it where assa rogues also want another one of those
static glacier
could also be because the vers smast ring drops from priory that all sin rogues have been farming
hexed frost
shut the fuck up please
You do realise none of us are ever going to shut up about secondaries, right?
Better be at peace because sec whoring isn't going anywhere
balmy condor
or right
static glacier
so more of them have it xd
balmy condor
or
hear me out
right
stop
listen for a second here right
if you think about it
vers is a good stat
red schooner
if you think about it
you lost me
bronze pike
What if
balmy condor
and it just sims good
bronze pike
Here me out
drifting cloud
hes overloading
static glacier
bro are you aware of the state of MM atm
balmy condor
you fucking mongoloid inbreds with your illuminati stat conspiracies are going to make me blow a god damn gasket
bronze pike
red schooner
you fucking mongoloid inbreds with your illuminati stat conspiracies are going t...
you love us really
bronze pike
bronze pike
God I’m gonna have so much milage with this in the tank cords
static glacier
I feel blessed, not having to care about stats
bronze pike
Does anyone have any idea why I'm being pulled out of stealth as the boss is bei...
Could be anything
red schooner
I feel blessed, not having to care about stats
I run sim, if sim number bigger, I equip
balmy condor
what if top is secretly just a secret rogue cabal hiding spot and the vers ring is just an invitation for people to join the cult
red schooner
Life is simple
bronze pike
static glacier
what if top is secretly just a secret rogue cabal hiding spot and the vers ring ...
idk, there was the whole hidden cabal for HO outlaw
then solo made it public
bronze pike
I knew about it all along
static glacier
ruined it all right before the tuning pass
all im saying is my best stats atm are crit + vers
🙂
bronze pike
Outlaw buffed by 4% sin buffed by 5%
Outlaw screams that the buff is actually a nerfed
Cause sin got buffed more
I can’t wait to see what this tuning pass will do
static glacier
mark my words
subtle tundra
what is blud on about
bronze pike
Would be funny if the only outlaw build that actually wants haste beyond its haste tax
subtle tundra
hidden tuning pass
bronze pike
Gets nerfed
static glacier
its arcane, sv, frost dk buffs + ww / fire nerfs
bronze pike
Ret buffed
subtle tundra
and underperforming buffed
static glacier
if you look at what blizz does
golden loom
bronze pike
subtle tundra
if you look at what blizz does
really?? buff from wlogs?
golden loom
im a goddamn artist
subtle tundra
woah nobody knew
static glacier
litterally
its peak cringe but eh
I think a ret buff is in the works too
gota keep the pink boys happy
subtle tundra
well they can nerf ww by 10% i still need to play it on mugzee
and gally is irrelevant
subtle tundra
damn frost mage buff? i wonder if its needed
golden loom
those stats might just be that all the good mages are playing fire tho
subtle tundra
nope
golden loom
atleast fired up was talking about frost/arcane being good
static glacier
damn frost mage buff? i wonder if its needed
tf is this from?
subtle tundra
frost mage has like as many logs as whole ROGUE class
static glacier
frost isn't actually bad
just bc fire is less effort and fully mobile
only casuals play frost
subtle tundra
tf is this from?
it was from mythic, on hc its like bottom 4 instead of very last
static glacier
and one tricks
subtle tundra
bruh
static glacier
sure, but the proportion
of dogshit players
on fire is much less than on frost
im going to die on this hill man
leave me to die
subtle tundra
frost is one of the most basic caster specs in the game
static glacier
frost actually casts, fire is firing instants for like 70% of its globals, if not more
static glacier
same as on fire, cmon man there's like three variations of the order of pyro and fire blast
I think fire's difficulty in terms of damage buttons has been grossly exaggerated
subtle tundra
i tried it a long time ago and i couldnt really play it
static glacier
yeah a while back
subtle tundra
meanwhile i spec'd frost
static glacier
go try it now on a dummy
subtle tundra
and like it was braindead
static glacier
I swear to god you'll blast
no more skb, feel the burn is applied by phoenix flames in addition to fire blast
they keep taking out shit people used to fail at
quaint spindle
Assa feels dooky this season or is it just me
balmy condor
feels identical to last season in every regard
quaint spindle
I guess
static glacier
feels identical to last season in every regard
lies, we had less energy in end of df / 11.0
2x ttk changed the spec
balmy condor
bro who asked
hearty reef
Pookie
vale lantern
Danggg hit him with the who asked
severe meadow
bro who asked
Uhm.. Actually 🤓
static glacier
I kinda deserve it, been winding him up for no reason
rain coral
guys, in a big pull do you still apply only 5 ruptures and 5 garrotes or is better to apply more ruptures and garrotes in big pulls in term of dps output
balmy condor
Same rule it’s always been, 5 ruptures, as many garrotes as there are targets
static glacier
guys, in a big pull do you still apply only 5 ruptures and 5 garrotes or is bett...
more garottes, rupture depends if the mobs are stacked or if being gathered, if they're stacked you rupture for energy
and no more than 5-6
potent lintel
Is there a benefit from envenoming before it expires ? or just wait as it expires for energy efficiency
golden loom
Is there a benefit from envenoming before it expires ? or just wait as it expire...
well envenom does more damage if you already have an envenom running
static glacier
Is there a benefit from envenoming before it expires ? or just wait as it expire...
the envenom cast benefits from envenom modifiers (ttk, envenom buff, the talent that does 10% more env dmg if env is on target)
golden loom
so u wouldnt purposefully wait for it to run out
upbeat cave
Could someone give me the TLDR on dry shiving?
rain coral
yeah but i ve seen logs from strongs, who apply it to even 10 Targets Garrot and rupture
jolly prawn
On fights with priority adds like Rik and Junkbot, should I "bank" Darkest Night before switching?
red schooner
Could someone give me the TLDR on dry shiving?
After deathmark window and before kingsbane is back up, when you have shiv +darkest night +lingering, send shiv, hit big envenom
Is my understanding of it
royal lantern
On fights with priority adds like Rik and Junkbot, should I "bank" Darkest Night...
you dont switch
red schooner
Next kingsbane just 1 shiv
royal lantern
you play assa, you cleave from the boss
upbeat cave
After deathmark window and before kingsbane is back up, when you have shiv +dark...
Thank you sir
jolly prawn
you play assa, you cleave from the boss
What if adds are not in cleave range
royal lantern
tanks need to do their job for once
red schooner
What if adds are not in cleave range
jolly prawn
Well, my raid leader yelled at me for not switching to adds, and then complaining about my low boss dmg. 🙃
royal lantern
by the time ypu swapped targets, generate cp and did a single envenom, stuff allready must be dead/is dead
red schooner
assa, your dmg is very slow on target swaps
Ye we hard target swap we end up doing tank damage on adds
red schooner
Well, my raid leader yelled at me for not switching to adds, and then complainin...
Your raid leader doesn't know how sin works
Tell him how sin works
royal lantern
Well, my raid leader yelled at me for not switching to adds, and then complainin...
your RL is a idot then that doesnt understand how the specs in his raid function
jolly prawn
I know, that's why I was contemplating going sub or outlaw :/
warm vortex
Tf has happened to my bank
red schooner
I know, that's why I was contemplating going sub or outlaw :/
Nah just tell your raid leader to not be dumb
agile fossil
contemplate changing raid leader tbh
balmy condor
I know, that's why I was contemplating going sub or outlaw :/
Tell him if you have to target swap so do the fire mages
Gg
The mages will bitch him out of discord
normal mist
Pestana = eyelashes in Portuguese
golden loom
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qyJ82cW_vYs me but when it comes to swapping to adds
red schooner
Tanks need to get adds in melee cleave range
royal lantern
I know, that's why I was contemplating going sub or outlaw :/
tell him to look at how many people actually target swap in the first place 🙂
golden loom
number 1 draft pick 
royal lantern
cus i can gurantee you, half of your raid doesnt
balmy condor
Pestana = eyelashes in Portuguese
Pescado = fish in Spanish
red schooner
Not your job to swap to some mob in fucking Narnia, that's what range are for
royal lantern
and you are just the scapegoat
normal mist
Pescada = fish in portuguese
Pescado is a verb form for us from the verb Pescar
Pescar = to fish / fishing
manic sphinx
Heyas. For Heroic MugZee, I am going into the add. It seems I can't get a full cd off before i have to step away. Should I just do as is and send on pull, or hold my cd for when add dies and im out?
golden loom
Heyas. For Heroic MugZee, I am going into the add. It seems I can't get a full...
you refuse to go to jail
red schooner
Heyas. For Heroic MugZee, I am going into the add. It seems I can't get a full...
Don't go to the add, caustic cleave both
manic sphinx
Ah, the splatter hits over the wall?
hardy dagger
Heyas. For Heroic MugZee, I am going into the add. It seems I can't get a full...
If you get jail just alt F4
red schooner
Ah, the splatter hits over the wall?
Yup
golden loom
it did feel harder to spatter the adds now but I know for certain you are not going into jail
manic sphinx
Legends, ty
golden loom
cause not only do you lose all boss damage, you do awful damage to the adds
red schooner
Love getting jail two times in a row <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Happened to me one pull, was tempted to just quit
manic sphinx
lol, its not that drastic
red schooner
Nah this ain't my pull do it without me
manic sphinx
But got the gist, thanks guys!
hardy dagger
Happened to me one pull, was tempted to just quit
Legit my two kills I've had as Assa has been back to back jails while in cds
Can't make this shit up
Not sure why one can even get it two times in a row
red schooner
Legit my two kills I've had as Assa has been back to back jails while in cds
A smarter man would hold CDs, I'm not a smarter man and keep running the risk
hardy dagger
A smarter man would hold CDs, I'm not a smarter man and keep running the risk
Wanna get that fat spatter cleave on you know
red schooner
Wanna get that fat spatter cleave on you know
Yeah but fat spatter cleave with CDs up
hardy dagger
Yup 500k diff on 2 % wipe and kill pull
red schooner
Send it on boss when both adds are in jail, big cleave
golden loom
hmm looking at yesterdays kill log I did no damage to the adds with spatter, but the tanks were also doing some weird positioning stuff
manic sphinx
Sorry, another question - I assume we can be part of immune soakers, with cloak?
hardy dagger
Just gotta make sure the gap is not to big
hardy dagger
And we'll yeah tank has to actually move as well
golden loom
ah but ofc the pull we wiped instantly cause something weird happend I popped off
vale lantern
Feels bad sitting the bench cause we recruited half of another guilds raid team 😦 and we have to many melee now and another rogue who’s friends with the raid leader
nova aspen
ah but ofc the pull we wiped instantly cause something weird happend I popped of...
the one sub parse
golden loom
Theres an imposter among us
subtle tundra
traitor
subtle tundra
👽
tawdry root
Is taking cheat death over elusiveness just recommended for ease of use? I feel like elusiveness sounds so strong/can be used more often esp in m+
spice surge
Cheat is just really really really good
And for the most you dont really want to swap of it unless you know for sure that you will get oneshot by something without elusiveness
Feint generally works on most things that would be dangerous to you anyway
(elusiveness only gives 20% damage reduction when the 40% from feint does NOT work, aka when the spell is not coded as aoe)
tawdry mica
Feint should be energy free 👎
golden loom
Glyph of feint return
tawdry root
Yeah I guess I was thinking about evasion being a better defensive with it
royal lantern
in raids you basically always take cheat death
its really rare that there are raidfights where CD is not good
elusivness is mostly for higher m+ with high amount of targeted/dot dmg
golden loom
spam feint to proc weapon enchants and poisons
tawdry mica
I'm already suffering from energy please don't make me use another 35 energy to take less damage
royal lantern
Yeah I guess I was thinking about evasion being a better defensive with it
deathstalker allready does that
spice surge
in raids you basically always take cheat death
its really rare that there are r...
Its not even as simple as "dots dont get reduced"
A lot of them do
royal lantern
A lot of them do
the good old "is it a aoe effect or not" fun 
past oracle
Can we add a section in wowhead that says : we cannot switch targets due to xyz.
tawdry root
This is helpful ty
spice surge
The dot from the candles on second boss cleft? Reduced
The dot from soaking the orbs second boss priory? Reduced
The dot from GIGAZAP on last boss floodgate? Reduced
royal lantern
and then we had stuff like sludgefist roar where feint did nothing
floral glade
guyz whatabout Neck BiS? theres no neck crit-mastery atm
spice surge
Ye the aoe from the bee riding dude in meadery does not get reduced 
tawdry root
We need a spreadsheet lol
royal lantern
We need a spreadsheet lol
eh, you get a feeling for it
golden loom
I do hope feint works on the heroic gallywix frontal, was using it on every cast
royal lantern
just feint if it looks like a aoe thing lol
golden loom
that shit hurts like hell
blazing kayak
can i macro my priory with deathmark or is that omega noob
golden loom
can i macro my priory with deathmark or is that omega noob
u should
royal lantern
can i macro my priory with deathmark or is that omega noob
100% valid and what you should do
blazing kayak
nice ty
spice surge
We need a spreadsheet lol
Ive written most of the unexpected interactions in the dungeon section at the bottom of this page
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips
blazing kayak
what about shiv with tea
royal lantern
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
we literally have that as a macro here
blazing kayak
ooo
royal lantern
spice surge
It is the sub guide so some of the tips are sub specific ofc, but the feint/vanish/cloak stuff is for all rogues
nova aspen
Ye the aoe from the bee riding dude in meadery does not get reduced <:kek:365510...
the pulsing winds??
royal lantern
"trinket with DM" and "tea with shiv" are the only 2 macros assa uses
nova aspen
no way
spice surge
the pulsing winds??
blazing kayak
is there a macro or weakaura or something so my tricks is always on the tank. atm i use one where i gotta copy paste the new tanks name every time i lfg
nova aspen
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
bro hit a hattrick of the 3 macros we have here
devout mirage
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
glad we all have the same problems
the biggest problem is you using tricks tbh
blazing kayak
wym
half igloo
oh wise assassins, is the delve trinket or pacemaker as the passive option for m+?
nova aspen
black jack > tricks
nova aspen
oh wise assassins, is the delve trinket or pacemaker as the passive option for m...
both, either
if u have both sim which one is better
blazing kayak
oh rlly, people dont play tricks?
golden loom
well I press it pre-pull in raid but its just for fun
royal lantern
the only thing it does, it making the enemys not attack you first, butnit doesnt help wuth aggro or something like that
and if you pull aggro as assa, a spec that has a buildup for dmg, what is going on
golden loom
tanks have a gazillion threat and we dont burst on pull either
royal lantern
oh rlly, people dont play tricks?
oh they do, cus many people thibk they do some gigabrain threat managment help
when thats not the case at all
but wow players love to go by vibes and then act as if they are facts
so eh 
golden loom
like for sub the 1 hour threat thing and they giga burst early
MAYBE it does something there
but probably not
royal lantern
MAYBE it does something there
even there its a big maybe cus adds in aoe situations need to be gathered first anyway, otherwhise secret tech hits only 3 enemys lol
blazing kayak
im playing a build rn for keys but i heard u change a lot of talents around so im not 100% sure if what im running rn is even bis. ill screenshot. i want a build for pushing 12-15ish keys
ik twist the knife, iron wire master assassin and uhhh sang blades
get swapped around a lot?
and cheat/elusivness
i think some1 mentioned playing 1 vanish as well but maybe that was a raid thing?
but i cant imagine what you would pick over 2nd vanish
so that sounds wrong
red schooner
but i cant imagine what you would pick over 2nd vanish
Supercharger related talents instead of subterfuge for more ST normally
blazing kayak
is that a raid thing or do people play that in keys too
golden loom
people have probably played every single talent available at some point in keys
its all marginal at end of the day
royal lantern
get swapped around a lot?
the thing is
assa has, and im NOT making this number up, over 500 different "m+ builds" that all take 1 talent and drop another
and they all do the same dmg in the end
red schooner
is that a raid thing or do people play that in keys too
Raid plays full supercharger mode, not fully sure about keys
royal lantern
if you take spatter+IC+crimson tempest, you created a functional assa m+ talent tree
nova aspen
im playing a build rn for keys but i heard u change a lot of talents around so i...
personally i drop MA for ttk, otherwise same build
but that build also is fine
blazing kayak
i see
yea i was playing with iron wire for a while in higher keys
but then i swapped to sang blades
wasnt sure if that was the play or not
nova aspen
sang is giga dam
blazing kayak
yea ive noticed
royal lantern
sang is +aoe -st
blazing kayak
yeaaa the boss dmg has def been rough
blazing kayak
u now need to try to stay under 50% energy in st
under or above
royal lantern
blazing kayak
ohh i see
spice surge
under or above
under
nova aspen
im playing a build rn for keys but i heard u change a lot of talents around so i...
and switch this
nova aspen
i think numbing poison is better in low keys as well
but could be wrong
low keys as in vault keys
blazing kayak
yea ive been doing 10/11s but plan on pushin 13/14ish keys this week
nova aspen
somewhere around the 15-17 mark i think atrophic takes the lead
blazing kayak
dropping tricks works out actually, extra bind
nova aspen
cuz then ur worried more about group damage rather than tank
blazing kayak
im kinda surprised people dont play iron wire
oh and also should i not have
cripple on
am i trolling with that
prob making my tanks life harder in most situations huh
nova aspen
u want it for lethal dose
subtle tundra
cripple is a bit of dps, sometimes hurts the group
nova aspen
yea
subtle tundra
uhhh iron wire is good in some situations idk this season
also matters a lot on the group
how coordonated it is
erghmmghmm
tricks is decent to use
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
what else do you wanna know
rergmfmgm
subtle tundra
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nova aspen
monk brain
subtle tundra
going out of subterfuge is fine
subtle tundra
the more you know about the pulls, the less value subterfuge is
spice surge
Bro been crackling on that jade too hard
subtle tundra
mmmmmmmmmm
without a trace is the same
at some point when you know every pull, they have less value
nova aspen
the only time ive seen crippling hurt the group is when a lightspawn is dying
and they cant get a paladin out
in time
or something
subtle tundra
the only time ive seen crippling hurt the group is when a lightspawn is dying
chaining and setting up pulls
ermgmgmgmakdmfgkaoi
gawk gawk gawk
DO YOU WANT ANY MORE INFORMATION?????????????????????????????
blazing kayak
lol well i just asked cuz im watching casualaddict and this was his build and didnt see cripple on
think he swapped to the bigger cripple slow tho
subtle tundra
yes the dmg gain is minimal
blazing kayak
and was gonna put it on
subtle tundra
and it can hurt the group
nova aspen
in high keys yea id prob take it off
subtle tundra
having mobs stacked faster is more dps overall than you doing .5% more dps
nova aspen
throw it on for bosses
subtle tundra
gawk gawk gawk
golden loom
but also copying Casual for your own pug runs probably aint the best thing to do