assassination

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

Bro pre-fired a sim yourself

[red schooner]

fucker was waiting in chat

with that emote preloaded

waiting for a vault pic

[humble verge]

🕶️

fuck

😎

why is the shitty emote on top

[dreamy rover]

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tc5iQGKvmbmqd7sXK2fsCs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5KuAe9huDJHxXXYgMJUrEE

could probably squeeze more out of sub if i get that goddamn pvp neck that i see people use

doenst mean ill do that deeps anyways

[magic fossil]

thats depressing picture

[brave comet]

on the third fight in the raid, rik

is cloak usable for anything to extend my dps up time

[golden loom]

not that I am aware of but you can evasion the slam down

[spice spire]

I should call her

[wise whale]

Just make sure you're facing the boss

So you can get parried too

[spice surge]

Brother if she is evading your slam downs you should not be calling her

[cerulean burrow]

what are the m+ talents for tyranical week ?

i cant find them

[spice spire]

I was evading hers?

Hello?

I’m a man of god

[spice surge]

No difference between tyr and fort

[runic hinge]

God abandoned you long ago

[balmy condor]

What is a tyrannical week these days

[spice surge]

If youre not doing 10s

[balmy condor]

Oh true I guess

[spice surge]

It rotates

But ye

[balmy condor]

Bleed build then

Under 10 is demise prime time

[spice spire]

I never abandoned god tho

Checkmate pal

[runic hinge]

[dapper cradle]

[untold saddle]

is hekili considered a reliable guide for rotation for a new player?

[golden loom]

would say that reading the wowhead guide for the rotation and understanding it is better

[balmy condor]

Hekili isn’t a guide it’s more the equivalent of handing your older brother the controller cause you’re a 5 year old stuck on a level in crash bandicoot

[nova aspen]

[grave osprey]

Bleeds still slap in 10s

Also assa buffs soon? 🥰

[haughty flicker]

Assa nerfs soon

[runic hinge]

Assa no changes soon

[fallen orbit]

guys does it also happend to you ? even with many enemies when i use fan of knifes i get only like one or 2 CP for some reason

[earnest remnant]

get better at critting

[golden loom]

Fan it self gives 1 point, the talent seal fate gives combo points depending on crits

[midnight mist]

That's why I use hero rotation

Fuck that hekilli thing

[hearty seal]

does it also suck at the game, then?

[hearty seal]

what makes you think that?..

[balmy condor]

Yes

[untold saddle]

ok i'll get rid of it

[upper wraith]

If I suck and hekili sucks then 2 lefts make a right something something

[runic hinge]

i wanna get 2 sucks

[nova aspen]

quake is ur guy

or so thats what ive heard

[cerulean burrow]

is the bleed build on wowhead ?

[upper wraith]

Tony twosucks

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean burrow]

does it happpen to be any of these ? i dont see one that says bleed build

[balmy condor]

scroll down

[cerulean burrow]

oki found it thank you ... what content are bleed builds ideal for you said anything below a 10 ?

[grave osprey]

Its the new one

[nova aspen]

the bleed build is focused on demise maxxing

[grave osprey]

Its the build of the Gods

[cerulean burrow]

can i get more overall with out compared to the regular m+ build?

like more overall damage at the end of dungeon

[balmy condor]

sure

[dim cove]

Mechano-Core Amplifier - its a good trinket for assa?

[nova aspen]

yes

[grave osprey]

No.

[spice spire]

Isn’t the amplifier in a with the rest?

Or am I misreading

[onyx linden]

It is yeah

[golden loom]

its literally in the a tier there

[nova aspen]

don't vote for pedro

[grave osprey]

Vote for pedro!

[nova aspen]

was that a sarcastic no

if so, i could vote for pedro

[grave osprey]

Yes. It was. Hence the image

[nova aspen]

quake didn't pick up on that

thats ok tho he is a special boy

[brave comet]

when gallywax goes back into the center of the room and he spawns a massive ring of adds, can these adds be cleaved off of gallywax?

or do i just like move my mark to an add and dps there

[grave osprey]

Maining rogue automatically makes us all special

[nova aspen]

2nd pin

[hearty seal]

ngl I really feel that more this season, somehow

[brave comet]

thank you friend!

[gray hazel]

With house of cards being 1.5m, we still just only use with DM right?

[brave comet]

yes alterfate

[nova aspen]

yep

[gray hazel]

Tyty

[hearty seal]

wouldn't really buff anything much at 1:30, yeah

[grave osprey]

Imagine willingly choosing to main a spec with mid tier damage, no notable raid buff, no lust, and no combat res.

[brave comet]

so i assume the pin means i can hit the boss as long as im standing close and that would cleave over to the ads?

[hearty seal]

I am a slave to aesthetics

[grave osprey]

Couldn’t find a shorter bus

[nova aspen]

if the adds are in the green area in the picture

[brave comet]

so it really depends on the group

gotcha

[nova aspen]

yea

[grave osprey]

Getting the itch to play outlaw. But having to regear for hella vers so annoying. Why cant outlaw love mastery ? 🙄

[marble hemlock]

cause they dont wanna be like everybody else

[dapper cradle]

haste is the real killer right now

you can't even play it without the req haste

[royal lantern]

its so fucking funny

"haste is ussles on outlaw/sub, what do we do?"

"give outlaw a WotLK/Cataclysm stat requirment of it, and ignore sub"

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[dapper cradle]

yeah that shit is straight ass

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

VAULT TIME

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

eeeehhhhhhh

gloves are nice i gues

[nova aspen]

3 good options

[royal lantern]

3?

its literally just dagger or gloves lol

[hearty seal]

dagger or gloves, yeah

[nova aspen]

depends on the character

[royal lantern]

have priory trinket

[nova aspen]

yea so then 2 good options

[hearty seal]

heroic house is not great if you...yeah

[royal lantern]

this assa aint gonna sub (ingame)

[nova aspen]

im gonna give it a whirl in raid

see how it goes

[hearty seal]

personally I'd take the dagger

[nova aspen]

sin is comfy so i dont have my hopes up

[balmy condor]

gratz on ratshit poison or whatever

[nova aspen]

id also take the dagger

since glove tier is free

[royal lantern]

dont tell @warm vortex

and went gloves

idk

dagger will drop in raid anyway

and i have still all catalyst charges

so i "steal" less loot from others when the token drops

[runic hinge]

stealing is rogue thematic

[earnest remnant]

fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

[royal lantern]

???

oh wait HoC, you play sub

[warm lantern]

!macro

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

only macro assa uses

[warm lantern]

quick as fucc

so i double tap it?

[haughty flicker]

no just use it like normal

tea is off gcd no need to tap twice or anything, it uses them both at once

[royal lantern]

the point of the macro is that you literally CANT double tap it

[haughty flicker]

yeah otherwise people like me who spam their keys send all 3 teas at once lmao

[thorn fjord]

We waiting for 30 charges before sending Mega Magnet?

[runic hinge]

mega magnet

[cerulean walrus]

A proper tea chugger

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

never call me that again

https://tenor.com/view/mods-gif-1346139666874943897

[cerulean walrus]

CHUG CHUG CHUG

[devout fiber]

Hey guys so what build should i be playing

for mythic+, i am seeing quite a few diff builds

[humble verge]

im the goat on sub, 2min one-armed on normal

surely i will get better and not go back to sin

[devout fiber]

@humble verge , could u lmk the mythic+ build?

i am seeing bleed without Kingsbane then others who do have kingsbane

[haughty flicker]

both are right

some people go natty bleed build, some people drop a couple talents for kingsbane and iron wire

[devout fiber]

Which is btr?

[haughty flicker]

neither

both

[devout fiber]

Right so this is what i currently have

guessing this is the bleed build then

[spice spire]

Yeah

Sub 10s

Bleed pumps

It’s also a hair easier removing kb

So try it

[haughty flicker]

its a version that dropped sanguine blades for iron wire

[devout fiber]

thanks man, I am returning player back to assas from outlaw ahahah

[haughty flicker]

which tbf is probably not the talent i would drop but its probably fine

[humble verge]

i havent ran bleed build for some time

i only run the standard m+ one

[thorn fjord]

Bleed is cracked

[devout fiber]

i just replaced em

[haughty flicker]

also yeah hybrid is also still fine

[devout fiber]

i am low ilvl and I am also doing low keys

so my assumption is bleed would be btr?

[haughty flicker]

probably

[haughty flicker]

sudden demise is op in low keys

and stuff doesnt normally live long enough for kingsbane

[devout fiber]

ok so this is the correct one then

take out iron wire for sanguine

[haughty flicker]

thats default bleed build yes

[warm vortex]

What

No

:(

Not the rats

[haughty flicker]

wowhead guide has a lot more information on it

and what talent swaps you can make if you want

[devout fiber]

yeah i think my brain will figure it out. I remember having loads of diff talents for situations i was in

[spice spire]

Wait why would you take sb out and not ma

[devout fiber]

MT vs ST

[devout fiber]

I have Sanguine Blades

[haughty flicker]

yeah that was what worried me at first lmao

[haughty flicker]

he fixed it we good

[devout fiber]

yeye

thanks guys i appreciate it

Is it still double garrote > Rupture?

[spice spire]

Oh no that’s to bel earlier

[haughty flicker]

earlier i said i wouldnt take sb out

[spice spire]

You wanna spread garrotes and ruptures

Oh mb mb

[devout fiber]

yeye

[haughty flicker]

[devout fiber]

So AOe is smth like

Ambush (for mark) > Garrote > Garrote > Rupture > Rupture >Fan of Knives> Crimson Tempest> Envenom

[haughty flicker]

you're going to want at least 5 ruptures out

assuming there are that many targets that is

so that you get max value of scent of blood

[devout fiber]

Does Rupture not AOE Apply?

[haughty flicker]

it does, but only to 3 targets at a time

so you'll need at least two

how many ruptures and garrotes you send at the start kind of depends on the pull you're doing

[devout fiber]

Ambush (for mark) > Garrote > Garrote > Rupture > Rupture >Fan of Knives> Crimson Tempest> Envenom

ok so smth around this then

[haughty flicker]

more or less the idea yeah

again wowhead guide has a write up on it by mr whispyr thats significantly better than anything i could tell you

definitely recommend giving it a look

[devout fiber]

ok thanks will take a look

[haughty flicker]

although you'll probably want to use ambush after the garrotes and rupture

or use another ambush/mut after you spread bleeds

since thats how you apply caustic

another wowhead guide W

go read

[shy axle]

can i atack the other boss on carnage when they have that infight or di i need to always hit the old one until the phase is done for?

[haughty flicker]

you can swap

[untold saddle]

how do people keep track of the dot timers? is there an addon for that?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

sudden demise still kills in top yea?

[devout fiber]

why no Shiv?

[haughty flicker]

well you wont shiv until all your bleeds are up anyway

+with dm if you're using it

but also that image was made with hybrid build in mind so you used shivs with kb like normal

in bleed build you basically just shiv on cd with bleeds up

[balmy condor]

fixed

[balmy condor]

guess what, doesn't even change

[haughty flicker]

yeah the opener is the same

more would be referencing the next image

for cd sequence

[balmy condor]

the eternal opener image that is a fuck ton of work and super rigid and I hate that timeline tool we have

[haughty flicker]

yeah it sounds like a pita to change those

[balmy condor]

I just write one opener that will last until the crumble of civilization

and it will be good

[cerulean burrow]

so with the bleed build... instead of keeping up caustic spatter and spending my free time spamming fan of knives and aevicerates what do i do with that time now with the bleed build ?

[balmy condor]

the same

[cerulean burrow]

do i macro shiv and thistle tea together still ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

if bleed not up bleed up

if bleed up envenom the spec

S H I V

[royal lantern]

you forgot

if cds ready, use all cds togheter

[cerulean burrow]

so do i just use shiv when energy is low or ? is there an ideal time to use it with bleed build ?

[haughty flicker]

this is bleed build we got nothing to press with dm anyway

i dont taint the purity of my blood with kb

[wise plover]

does caustic spatter hit the other boss during intermission on cauldron of carnage without using the new caustic hitbox around your character? (basically do i have to stand under/between them during intermission)

[balmy condor]

it just hits

[cerulean burrow]

so do i want to save deathmark until they are at 50 percent health ish ? orjust use it after i apply bleeds and its usualy safe in a key under a 10 ?

[runic hinge]

damn, ive been losing these duels for no reason

[haughty flicker]

kidney them then start /dancing

[balmy condor]

you don't play it differently

it's the same rotation

[cerulean burrow]

ok

ez pz

[upper wraith]

Wow analyzer has me waisting 23% of my energy on raid fights. I’m parsing middle of the pack. Any tips y’all? I somehow suck this tier and I think maybe it’s just a matter of getting used to the fights but idk

[golden loom]

bro cooldowns in execute phase in damage amp does some wild stuff

[haughty flicker]

wowanalyzer is not maintained for sin

[balmy condor]

spam envenom harder idk

[haughty flicker]

but also just press buttons faster

[balmy condor]

press cds, spam envenom

[upper wraith]

I feel like that could fall into getting used to fights

I’m more worried about living at this point

[grave osprey]

+lust?

[golden loom]

yeah, we lusted when I had like 15 seconds on deathmark

cd that is

[vale jolt]

!stealth

[ebon temple]

signet isnt still bugged in sims right? saw whispyrs video saying house of cards and it were comparable, but my sim said very much otherwise

[spice spire]

What does it say

[ebon temple]

signet is about 20k, house was 60k

[shy sorrel]

Does Poison count towards "your spells and abilities have a chance to activate a winning streak"

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

do you have dummy thick silly amounts of crit

[ebon temple]

yeah

[balmy condor]

that'll do it

signet giving crit is pretty ugly

[ebon temple]

i see, ty

[untold saddle]

i appreciate the tips. already seeing improvement. is there a tip jar?

[royal lantern]

do sims keep in mind my horrible crit rng sometimes?

[royal lantern]

you can donate on whisps stream i gues

[untold saddle]

roger that

just followed on twitch

[royal lantern]

wait, is that how you turn into a internet influencer?

[upper wraith]

Looks like my maintenance rotation is slacking. Pretty easy fix I guess

[royal lantern]

every single tier piece is 662, shoulders are 678

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

this game

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Just don’t have myth pieces from last patch

[pliant remnant]

Just don't have any gear

then all gear is an upgrade

[runic hinge]

Smart. Delete all gear at the start of every patch

Imagine the upgrades!!!

It’s like a new expansion every time

[brave comet]

i did pretty garbage on heroic gallywax, i think on the adds

gallywax is my only fight that i have less thatn 94% on

how can i not do like shit

[coral ibex]

pay your raid to hold all the adds on top of you

and not aoe them

[neat flame]

I'm assuming that Top Gear doesnt' do anything different than Gear Compare given the simulation options are at the bottom? I was trying to determine when to hermit crab up from 2pc+2pc to 4pc season 2, and when I make the gear available in Top Gear it doesn't want to recognize it as an upgrade. But when I create it as a gear-set in Top Gear it shows it as an upgrade around the ilvl Whispyr has in the season guide (slightly less coming from some hero track pieces season 1, which makes sense)

[brave comet]

they literally die instantly

so i guess im fucked on this boss

[balmy condor]

even better than that, top gear IS gear compare now

[neat flame]

why wont it show that wearing 4 piece season 2 is better then

does it hate me?

[balmy condor]

probably set it up wrong

[neat flame]

impossible

[balmy condor]

top gear supremacy strikes again

[humble verge]

mmm tasty

[left abyss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

nomnomnom

[runic hinge]

If monk gets nerfed are you back to rog

[subtle tundra]

no

monk is mandatory for mugzee

[haughty flicker]

monkzee

[subtle tundra]

and thats the last hard boss

[brave comet]

whats your ilvl

cause thats mega damage there

are you using 2/2?

[subtle tundra]

also prog should be over next week

so like...

who cares

[humble verge]

totally not almost 663

and 4p

[brave comet]

wtf

[runic hinge]

I care

[haughty flicker]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[brave comet]

this is me on mugzee at my ilvl

[haughty flicker]

i get yelled at for not going into jails so ive accepted im never going to do well on mugzee

[balmy condor]

omegalul look at this clown with his champ house of cards and resonating heart

[brave comet]

oh shit yeah hows resonating heart is it like super garbage?

[haughty flicker]

its not bad

[balmy condor]

it's not particularly good either

[haughty flicker]

yeah but neither is any other option

for a while it was outsimming pacemaker with the gear i had

[balmy condor]

that's cooked

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pihosCd3LGLMxLv5WRu3pX

even now its not that far behind

pacemaker is better tho

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/hWMw1rp

[humble verge]

the heart is heroic

but youre right on me being a clown

[waxen oyster]

4p doesnt sim higher for me unless the pieces are 665

[coral ibex]

yup

that tracks with the pins

[honest needle]

what should i upgrade with gilded first trinket or tier ?
i crafted my weapon i dont have enough to do a 2nd crafted piece so do i upgrade gear or wait to craft my 2nd piece next week

[humble verge]

i am crying

[waxen oyster]

depends what is myth track

[honest needle]

i have mythic gchest everything else is hero

so should i use guilded on tier or trinket first ?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah hero gear not worth sending on

generally

[humble verge]

dagger > trinket > anything else

is whats recommended

but i would still

[honest needle]

so not tier at all i thought uopgradting mythic track tier gear was worth it

[waxen oyster]

Well I guess if you get a 662 trinket its worth sending gildeds for the hero 5/6 to 6/6?

Since i dont think trinkets drop 665+ anywhere do they

maybe later boss mythic ones

[humble verge]

rik does

stix drop 668

[waxen oyster]

oh right stix has a trinket

isnt it kind of beans

[humble verge]

idk

havent bothered to look at it lol

[honest needle]

i always thougt upgrading tier was super important

[waxen oyster]

rik has the haste trinket iirc

[honest needle]

especially if mythic

[waxen oyster]

Well upgrading mythic tier is good since you're never replacing that

[humble verge]

2nd mythic piece we've had given for transmog

actually crazy

[honest needle]

so wouldnt it be smart to upgrade my chest over trinket ?

[waxen oyster]

Not a single agi 1h user?

[honest needle]

first

[waxen oyster]

you can run the sim

[humble verge]

the WW is using 2h from vexie

[waxen oyster]

chest is one of the highest budget pieces

[humble verge]

and our enha already got one last raid

[honest needle]

i dont kno how to sim that to see whats best to upgrade first

[humble verge]

the same fist wep lmao

[waxen oyster]

raidbots.com

[honest needle]

i kno the site

[waxen oyster]

top gear

[honest needle]

i dont kno how to set the settings

[waxen oyster]

or just manually input it in gear compare

Idk immediate gain would likely be trinket

long term chest

[humble verge]

i would just sim

to be 100% sure

[royal lantern]

why nerf monk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1351997066070462464/ww_is_fine.PNG?ex=67dc68e3&is=67db1763&hm=6806cb71225e1deb338ea1b8e8ac583906a295a1055245ea21d67c25e89568cc&

[waxen oyster]

could send 15 gildeds to make my second trinket 665

[royal lantern]

ret is OP, dont you see it?

[waxen oyster]

dont think im getting a crest saver trinket higher right

and vault trinkets are 662

[humble verge]

i just want hoc hero track

[waxen oyster]

Know what really sucks

losing hoc to someone who is still using s1 trinks

because doesnt key

[runic hinge]

Ok I reroll ret

[waxen oyster]

:)

[humble verge]

yeah but, we've gotten SIX FUCKING normal hocs :(

i got the first hoc tho so i feel good

2 every week

[waxen oyster]

only seen 1 normal 2 hc

[humble verge]

is actually crazy

but then again

we run like a 28~ person group on normal and heroic

[waxen oyster]

bandit has dropped 3 vers heavy rings

for us so far

[humble verge]

which is mainraiders + socials

[honest needle]

what rogue spect is looking best for m+ right now ?

[humble verge]

any of them are good

but, assa is more so consistent in my opinion

outside CDs, sub might struggle

[waxen oyster]

i mean you just play both

[humble verge]

but on CDs they are basically on top

[waxen oyster]

based on group needs

[humble verge]

meh

group needs?

i just play

[waxen oyster]

I don't pug idk

im not mentally ill enough to pug keys

outside of vault

[humble verge]

i pugged my 12s cause i wanted to

have not touched any 13s yet

or well

like 2

but would you know how fast they depleted

[waxen oyster]

Part of me is tempted

to drink the maghar koolaid

Orc tends to fall behind late expansion since the racials are flat numbers

[honest needle]

whats better single target

sub ?

sin better aoe ?

[waxen oyster]

raid its pretty close

and based off kill times

[honest needle]

or is outlaw best aoe still ?

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw is target capped

hasnt been best aoe for awhile

[honest needle]

its still ahead tho in st or aoe right

i forgot what its best at

[waxen oyster]

Uhh

not giving a fuck about cd timings

because it sends everything

as it comes up

[haughty flicker]

its best at having a gun ig

[waxen oyster]

You have to play killing spree if you want to play outlaw

right now though

for optimal dam

Idk all 3 rogue specs are comfortably mid

this season

doesnt matter what you play

[honest needle]

so sim wants me to upgrade off pieces rather then tier that dont make snese

[waxen oyster]

its not like the tier bonus increases with ilvl

[honest needle]

why would it want me to uograd hero gear with gilded rather then mythic track bis gear ?>

[waxen oyster]

raw increase higher

[honest needle]

so do i follow that

[waxen oyster]

upgrading a trinket 6 ilvls gives more immediate damage than upgrading a pair of gloves 6 ilvls

its that simple

Hell if i know what you're trying to do

you'll get another 90 gilded next week

[humble verge]

DONT DO IT

why the hell would you spend 20 bucks to race change

[haughty flicker]

tbh i might race change to void elf

not because of the racial though mainly bc i want reduced transmog costs

[waxen oyster]

isnt it less

[humble verge]

i do have thought about nelf

for meld

[dawn heath]

anyone knows why im not getting any rep from the bosses?

i did 7 bosses i stopped getting rep after 3

and im not 4

[spice surge]

Try relogging on the dude that did the bosses

[grave osprey]

Man i wish assa had baked in defensives like Fade to nothing.

[fallow canopy]

Feint is op tho

[grave osprey]

Thats class wide though.

[coral ibex]

i have the same

[red schooner]

might have not looted them, check your mail

[runic hinge]

Especially now that it’s off gcd

[red schooner]

on characters withg boss kills

[coral ibex]

looted every boss we killed the last 3 weeks

stuck at 2050 renown 3

[red schooner]

you're 450 down, did you do any lfr on an alt?

that might account for it

[coral ibex]

actually im literally 0 on renown 3

wtf

???

[red schooner]

relog then?

maybe that'll sort it

idk

[coral ibex]

this didn't change since last night

i was stuck on the same rep

while my guild was claiming their 3%

literally haven't missed a boss

[fallow canopy]

Nerfed by the plot

[dawn heath]

it worked for me now

i had to log in

on my alt

i had done mythic on my other char

and then it put me at 4

[coral ibex]

i haven't played any other char this season

[dawn heath]

then ye idk

probably mailbox

[coral ibex]

do i have to complete the questline

[dawn heath]

dont think so

[coral ibex]

does that give you like 1 full rep or something

[dawn heath]

na

[coral ibex]

wtf

[dawn heath]

ur just bugged

i think

[coral ibex]

SICK

[dawn heath]

u may get it in mail box

[grave osprey]

Trickster for Assa when?

[haughty flicker]

why though

[runic hinge]

I wish there was like a full rogue hero talent rework in the .5 patch pipeline but a man can only dream

[grave osprey]

So i can have two abilities that are the equivalent of blade flurry.

[faint path]

Did we g et fucking nerf

[runic hinge]

No

[haughty flicker]

no

also based

[faint path]

why I feel like I'm dealing low damage like wtf

[haughty flicker]

spatter and nimble at the same time

[runic hinge]

Forgot poisons

Uhh

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[grave osprey]

Nimble + spatter + poison bomb

[runic hinge]

Bad dungeon pathing

[grave osprey]

Also perma tricks of the trade 👀👀

Huge

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[grave osprey]

That WB is a meme

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235702219450482709/1352023706817265715/1.png?ex=67dc81b3&is=67db3033&hm=eedcbc19f258e18485947db0976ba5397e8cba0f74b7b08c06c9fc9fbe4c0857&

I CAN USE 4 SET

only had to upgrade the 2nd mythic piece to 678 aswell

[astral plover]

How much mastery/crit do u guys have.

[winter vapor]

for the slight change to using second shiv after DM + KB expire on Lingering Despair/Darkest Night - im assuming having re -read that we just shiv as normal during DM/KB and KB windows?

ive been holding first shiv charge back and only sending in last 8 secs

[vale lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FfcniZ86QF5QXgjsg7iJR i wish i simmed above 2m 😦

[winter vapor]

which i now see was probably wrong xD

[vale lantern]

oh wait i had caustic spatter on with internal bleeding im at a solid 2.026m 😄

[royal lantern]

ngl, i never change caustic/ib for sims

just let whatever is in there just stay that way

[haughty flicker]

i doubt it changes anything anyway

only reason i happened to have ib is i was doing underpin ?? lmao

[brave comet]

do you hold your DM at the start?

[vale lantern]

hey its clearly 40k dps thats huge!

[royal lantern]

well yeha, it is more ST dmg

but it doesnt really change anything in the sim

[vale lantern]

but most of the time i just leave caustic on and forget about IB

[royal lantern]

cus its not a talent that interacts with anything or smth like that

[haughty flicker]

lmao fuck off with that

[waxen oyster]

I got parried on a kb

on vexie

thank god it was a 1min kb but still

[golden loom]

nope

[waxen oyster]

Somehow it was still an 89.

Despite getting parried on my 1min kib

[cinder bone]

imaging bricking an 11 workshop because a 2600 hunter cant stand behind the kujo crates

theyre never beating the allegations

[waxen oyster]

sim with depths

[royal lantern]

imagine almost bricking a 10rookery because the mage on the endboss doesnt move out with the dispells and doesnt move to the soak pillars

2,8k score btw

[cinder bone]

yeah mages get carried by lust and community perception, very rare to find a good one

[devout fiber]

hey guys

what crafted gear should i go for?

[brave comet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MNhHw38rAZBCGmTP?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[severe meadow]

Most did dagger first craft

[brave comet]

someone explain to me why i suck, 78%

[humble verge]

HOLY RANK 1

GAMER

[brave comet]

gj man!

explain why i suck in comparison to you read my log please!

[spice spire]

Why did you only vanish twice

In an almost 9 minute fight

[brave comet]

i was saving it on swaps

cause moving the death mark is cancer

[brave comet]

its okay you can tell me i suck, 78% is awful

[shy creek]

In your opener, you arent proccing deathstalkers mark once by using fan of knives once

And theres a good chance the ambush garrote isnt proccing it either

[spice spire]

Wat

[shy creek]

so youre still at 3 stacks in ur opener

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt get any easier than on cauldron

literally easiest boss to swap

[spice spire]

Yeah like

You have time on the flash

[subtle tundra]

they are basically stacked

[spice spire]

To move your mark

?

Clash even

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i literally do a full kb cycle

before transferring my mark

[brave comet]

on the clash?

[spice spire]

Yeah you’ve a lot of time

[brave comet]

idk how long it lasts tbh

[spice spire]

You don’t have to swap instantly

[waxen oyster]

quite a while

[spice spire]

It lasts a decent chunk

[brave comet]

okay sounds good

[spice spire]

Yeah just manually move mark over

Vanish as you would for any st fight

[coral ibex]

you should be kb'ing right before transition

[spice spire]

Missing one cast of cds happens on long fights

Like that doesn’t stress me out at all. Major thing is just

Not casting them

[shy creek]

Youre also not snapshotting your garrote properly with improved garrote

Youre overwriting an improved garrote with a normal one at times

[brave comet]

snapshot?

ah i see

[shy creek]

So usually uou want to garrote in pandemic

But thats not the case going from imp garrote to normal garrote

[vale lantern]

i saw alot of the ass rogue parses with radiant this season and also heard something about how it scales better with ilvl than depths but yeah it looks like depths gives me 10k overall if i have it on both

[golden loom]

It lasts 20 seconds I think

the intermission

[waxen oyster]

i think it probably depends?

like radiant proc during cds is like big $$$

[shy creek]

Other than that, finishing on 5+ cp in your opener is also recommended

And swapping your deathstalkers mark properly shouldnt be a large hassle for u ou during this fight

[vale lantern]

yeah i do have ~30% uptime on it so all depends on when that 30% is

[hasty viper]

Got a 1 on heroic weapon and 100 on house of cards. Perfectly balanced.

[waxen oyster]

Idk maybe depths sims higher

[vale lantern]

maybe its some weird factor if you add 1 extra mob or something the value is lost currently it looks like (simwise) its withing .5% still an increase

maybe not worht the gold atm with ym gold stack looking like this

[waxen oyster]

hey 2mil is 2mil

for the sim

[golden loom]

Now I've had a 0,9% wipe with 2,37m dps and a wipe with 0,1% wipe where I had 2,5m dps when I died

the gallywix 99 will happen next week I guess

[waxen oyster]

wait pugs can do bandit on hc?

i guess the wa kind of plays the order for you

Any raid boss that requires people to use their mic is usually a pug killer

[vale lantern]

i pugged bandit last week in like 3-4 pulls just need a good pinger

[golden loom]

all non-cringe bosses are done

[supple spindle]

Are there any undermine assa rogue POVs?

[supple spindle]

Gz gz

[golden loom]

Stix can suck dicks!

awful horrendous awful cringe fight

[waxen oyster]

vexie seems skewed

based on whether or not they send bikes

when your 2mins are back

[golden loom]

got my 2 mins back half way through the damage amp

[vale lantern]

i cant get over an 88 on one-armed cause guild tanks dont move him to the add 😦

[golden loom]

just happend to still have lust and be in execute

so I just nuked it

[waxen oyster]

wait our damage amp was at 1:23

on heroic

[golden loom]

💣

[shy creek]

After looking through more

Id say your main problems are

Improved Garrote improper snapshotting
Vanish Usage
Fix the opener to be 5+

Kingsbane and DM look fine to me

[vale lantern]

we also keep doing this weird thing where we sent lust at 30% 20 seconds before 4 min cds are up so i only get lust in half my cds it feels like

[brave comet]

thank you friend!

[warm vortex]

I agree

100%

[supple spindle]

Envenom before cd’s during the opener also should be 5+, right?

[royal lantern]

always 5+

you never do finishers with less then 5cp

[shy creek]

^

Yes, sometimes you hit ambush garrote and ur 5 sometimes ur 4

if ur 5 send rupture

if ur 4 send clear the witnesses and rupture

[supple spindle]

And then hit mutilate up until 5+? Damn that feels frustrating

[shy creek]

whats fustrating about it

[waxen oyster]

Just crit

[supple spindle]

I really like how rotation kinda depends on rng

[golden loom]

wat

[supple spindle]

Like if you crit you get to send your cds faster

That’s what i mean

[shy creek]

Eh long run assa has some of the least rng in the game

[waxen oyster]

man's complaining so much about pressing 1 more mut

[shy creek]

theres very few points where rng has costed me anything if anything at all

[waxen oyster]

the absolute travesty

[supple spindle]

Ye but it kinda ruins the rhythm especially when you’re just starting on the spec big imo

[waxen oyster]

Except when kb gets parried

[tawdry mica]

When do you pop this trash? At 30 stacks?

[shy creek]

ehh this is overthinking it

just hit mutilate and continue

[waxen oyster]

I mean there isn't really a rhythm

you build until you reach a point to spend

thats all there is to it

[shy creek]

assa is literally just a deathstalker mark mini game

[supple spindle]

Ye i get it, and the feel for it will come over time

[static glacier]

yo guys does the jastor ring sim ridiculously high for anyone else?

like 45k for normal

[twilit flint]

are we crafting the weapon? or something else?

[royal lantern]

its really good

[shy creek]

depends how fast ur going into mythic

[twilit flint]

i wont be this season

[shy creek]

then its a good choice for craft #1

[waxen oyster]

You have 2 crafts already

will have 3 next week

its not a huge deal

[torpid sparrow]

i dont get it,2 mythic pieces and 5/6 and 6/6hc ,and my sims still dont tell me to use 4 p

[shy creek]

Very odd

[meager light]

2 +2 will be bread and butter most of this tier I feel

[torpid sparrow]

or did i do something wrong?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6pUMKCvy4Earboi22UhoeW

[loud light]

you're losing 2p but you're also losing the blasphemite in the helm

on some of those

[red schooner]

i love simming 665 hero track tier pieces and it being a 1% dps increase v 639 items

it feels good

[swift bluff]

General concept guys, when you go into a pack of 6+, are you garroting, Rupturing, and then changing targets to spread those again? I feel like I’m spending too much setup time on huge pulls

[meager light]

I'm doing just enough to keep my energy supply up with the bleed mastery energy return then sending fan of knives into envenoms and caustics

Most of the time one fully dotted up bleed does me for the pack if I have thistle charges in the bank

[swift bluff]

Okay. I feel like after I do mutilate to spread caustic, I tend to mutilate spam instead of fan spam.

Not out of rational reasons, just hotkey tendency. Idk

[meager light]

Yeah it's fighting the instinct to have all our DOTs out on everything, but in general I find I do best when I find the sweet spot of how many bleeds I need to place in order to keep my energy return up in ratio to how fast the pack will die. You don't wanna run dry on energy but you also don't wanna waste valuable gcds on bleed dots when you can be fanning I feel

[humble verge]

man

[shy creek]

This is sorta bad advice because after 5 targets you'er sorta infinite energy

[humble verge]

i thought i was the highest ilvl in the guild

but then the goddamn monk is suddenly 663.88

[noble verge]

How aggressively are we using shiv? I feel like I’m leaving damage on the table by only using it with KB

[shy creek]

Basically off CD

Theres some optimiation with it in after deathmark these days, but you can read about it in Whispyrs' wowhead guide

[haughty flicker]

If you’re playing hybrid you still keep shiv in kb

Bleed uses it more freely

[humble verge]

you guys.. dry shiv..?

[haughty flicker]

For hybrid you potentially don’t even shiv in aoe

Just for prio damage

[noble verge]

Yea that’s what triggered my question. Ok I’ll do some checks then because ST is suffering atm and I feel like my KB windows are solid

[shy creek]

You're basically just spreading bleeds as long as your tank is gathering and then you're finding your primary target and sending caustic permanently

[shy creek]

But no you don't need garrote and rupture on everything

[golden loom]

I do love tactical nukes yeah

[shy creek]

Feel free to link a log

[haughty flicker]

Envenom the spec requires big envenoms

[humble verge]

i have never dry shivved in m+ 😭

or i just forget

idk

[golden loom]

Oh i m+

[humble verge]

its just not in my repitoaire

well

why would you dry shiv in raid

[noble verge]

Let me see if I have one

[golden loom]

Well I am a bleedbuild 1 trick there

[balmy condor]

during lingering darkness

[haughty flicker]

Raid is exactly where you dry shiv lmao

[humble verge]

where would you dry shiv tho

[haughty flicker]

You move the shiv that would normally be at the start of odd minute kingsbane

And use it in lingering darkness with dn

[humble verge]

oh yeah you mean

DM > shiv > KB > 8s shiv?

or am i understanding this wrong

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

whispyr as always

bullying my ass

[haughty flicker]

DM shivs stay the same

After deathmark

You get lingering darkness

[humble verge]

yeah

[golden loom]

Nuclear BOMBA shiv after deathmark expires

[haughty flicker]

Your shiv should come off cd during that time

[humble verge]

jaha

[maiden sierra]

!fuu

[tawdry mica]

ohh that makes sense, it's nature damage hmm okay, I might not use it though the upgrade is like 6k dps

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty flicker]

If it lines up with dn then press it

[humble verge]

so you dry shiv after that too alr

wait

[haughty flicker]

Then your kingsbane will come up

And you just press shiv during the last 8s

[humble verge]

ah nvm

[golden loom]

The solo kingsbane is only worthy of 1 shiv charge

[humble verge]

oh

ive always done shiv kb shiv on solo kb

[waxen oyster]

I mean you can still do that

[haughty flicker]

It’s relatively new tbf

[humble verge]

yeah

if its new

[haughty flicker]

And it’s not major

[humble verge]

im good

[waxen oyster]

if the kb lines up with add spawn

[humble verge]

im an oldie

[waxen oyster]

more spatter dam

[humble verge]

yeye

makes sense

[golden loom]

Missing out on massive dopamine (and some dps)

[waxen oyster]

tbh it depends for me

[haughty flicker]

Big number good

[humble verge]

ok but wheres your rank 1 carnage

[waxen oyster]

if not dry shiving gives me more spatter dam due to add spawn timings

ill not do it

[humble verge]

(which is now r2)

[golden loom]

I am kinda glad we wiped on the 1 pull we did cause I had a horror performance

[humble verge]

im 100% sure

wait

i need to check logs

[upbeat cave]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kz4mXx7DwabRF6WJ?type=damage-done&fight=last

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[humble verge]

nah actually

that r1

was with a mistake

[haughty flicker]

It’s ok my first kill I didn’t move mark and lost it for half the fight lmao

[humble verge]

I FUCKING FACEPULLED

so i insta vanished for mark

honestly

[long pollen]

Does fan of knives interact with deathstalker's mark? Like to spread it?

[spice surge]

No

[haughty lantern]

oh ffs HEY GUYS can I get a hand b/c outlaw channel is being outlaw rn?

[golden loom]

Im rank 2 overall

[humble verge]

sadge

i lost to this

[golden loom]

Dont look at it too hard

[humble verge]

wait

why am i not showing up there

[golden loom]

Dont look at the difficulty

[humble verge]

oh

normal

WAIT

NO LFR

[golden loom]

LFR

[humble verge]

the GOAT

im surprised you got that high of dps in fucking lfr

[golden loom]

Actually got into the fucking pumpers group in LFR today

[humble verge]

i think

vexie is something i wont ever get a 99 in

maybe

cause i wont ever do bikes

and we somehow do suck at it

i held 2nd intermission CDs for so long 😭

[golden loom]

LFR pumpers only parse run

[humble verge]

im kinda glad i actually have a r1, on mythic even

[haughty flicker]

Lfr gaming

[static glacier]

blaster

i just did some terrorist shit on cauldron

[golden loom]

Yeah the 100 is just very good looking

[static glacier]

mark was on gorilla when they split, ran back to get dn

ended up taking blue circles to red side

somehow didn't wipe

[humble verge]

well now its #3, but AT THE TIME it logged, it was r1 so i still count that shite

:3

i think if i didnt facepull

[noble verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WRNZX9vA2aMwGftd?fight=22&type=damage-done

[humble verge]

MAYBE

i wouldve had a bit more dps

and still be on top

[golden loom]

Bro I lost my mark first intermission, and then ran into the fixate mirror image for some reason and died 3 min in, and the raid wiped at like 8 min

[long pollen]

it seems like all the guides incorporate fan of knives into single target rotations, but is there a good reason for that? Shouldn't I be using envenom instead against one target?

Err not envenom mutilate

[golden loom]

Clear the witness, in the hero talent tree

You press fok when you apply new mark in opener / with darkest nights

[long pollen]

What does fok do to the new mark?

[golden loom]

You get a buff when u apply mark

That makes fok do a little extra damage and give 1 combo point extra

[long pollen]

Ahhhh

[golden loom]

So you fan to consume it cause its a bit more efficient than a mutilate

[long pollen]

Thank you!

[noble verge]

How high priority would you say that is? I have generally been using it to waste less CB for getting rupture up during opener

[long pollen]

That makes sense

[golden loom]

Perfect place to use it

[noble verge]

Ok that’s fine - was just checking ^^

[golden loom]

You just wanna use it, it has like a 12 second duration I think?

[balmy condor]

it just replaces the next mut

[golden loom]

So in the opener if you dont crit with ambush you can use it after garrote before rupture, or afterwards when bulding for envenom

[noble verge]

Ok yea I like the crit check - I’ll keep that in mind

[haughty lantern]

hey @balmy condor while you're here can i ask you a trinket question?

it's in regards to outlaw but more so i am just bamboozled by the trinket itself...

and the outlaw chat is doing outlaw things rn, not in helpful mode

[balmy condor]

uh huh............

[haughty lantern]

OH wait nvm guy just showed up, i'll go bug him, sorry to bother you ❤️

[haughty flicker]

[vivid mulch]

Anyone got the WA for new raid?

[shy creek]

Inside of your opening

You should be hitting ennvenom at least once before going into deathmark to buff your envenoms

so ambush garrote rupture

mutilate fok envenom then dm

Your vanish is late, you want the vanish to be at the last six seconds of your deathmark

[noble verge]

Hmmmm ok fairly easy fix those - I think iv forgotten to envenom this tier after all the screwing around on sub that I did 😂

[shy creek]

You also didnt use tempered potion

[noble verge]

Yea I realized at the end of the raid I’d run out 😅

[humble verge]

he basically telling you to do what this rotation is saying :3

but also, pots arent necessary imo

[noble verge]

Yea I know this rotation - just been missing the envenom - how much dps do you rate that is as a loss?

[humble verge]

wouldnt know the math

but a bunch

esp on burst

[noble verge]

I guess it would also normally only be on opener as it’s already up when CDs are back during combat

[balmy condor]

1.2%

[shy creek]

Also are you rupturing every single mob when the adds come ip

If the adds are close to boss, I wouldnt bother rupturing because your caustic will splash the dps faster than rupture will do damage in a tick

[noble verge]

I might not be on this one - it was the 10th boss we had killed tonight 😅

Oh so not even worth the energy gains?

[shy creek]

Not particularly

Youre also hitting KB like 30 seconds late

Which forces you to delay DM 30 seconds too

[noble verge]

Usually I am doing it on CD - that might be isolated

[shy creek]

Possible but it is what happened in this log

[noble verge]

Yea 100%

[shy creek]

But yeah mostly just that delay

The vanish

the tempered pot

Spreading that many ruptures

Youll go up a good bit once you fix that

[noble verge]

Yea the vanish and envenom I’m keen to try out - the others I am less worried about

Thanks though! Was actually a massive help

[shy creek]

Anytime

[ionic hill]

I am kinda new to log reading, would you guys say wowanalyzer is good for improving on mistakes

[shy creek]

Good for an overall view

Will not give you specific information but I use it whenevrr people ask me for help to check garrote and rupture uptime

[ionic hill]

I kinda have no idea why my logs are so low 😭

[shy creek]

And its major cooldown usage is also fine to use for a general look

Feel free to send a log

[ionic hill]

On ilvl bracket I have a 46 on this one I think

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nGgHRCK6tNJZPvfr?fight=29&type=damage-done

[shy creek]

In your first DM window, your first shiv is late

[lost wolf]

should I be crying when our tank is chain pulling 3-4 packs at a time or is it worth it to pull faster?

[shy creek]

This alos occcurs in your second DM

[runic hinge]

Pulling more is bigger numbers

[shy creek]

Eh if the packs are dying and they dont have interrupts so it doesnt matter

I run double vanish anytime I pug brcause its a pain

[lost wolf]

they die.. just a little slower hah

and no iron wire

[shy creek]

And Im a nelf for shadowmeld tech

[shy creek]

Mistake unless youre playing with a coordinated group

Its higher dos but its not worth dropping the most insane pug carry tool of all time

[lost wolf]

I meant it doesnt proc because i cant stealth

I do take it

[shy creek]

You also dont send on 5+ cp sometimes

[ionic hill]

Ahhh did I mess up the shiv on final ticks of KB

[shy creek]

Overall it looks like you understand the assa rogue but you need to clean it up

[runic hinge]

I get plenty of stealths in almost every key

Idk

[ionic hill]

Thank you ! 🙏

[shy creek]

This is an instance of what I mean

Deathmark shiv Kb but instead of kb you hit envenom

[humble verge]

dont look at ilvl bracket, nobody cares for that

[lost wolf]

most of the time its not an issue, just in the last priory it was like 3-4 in a row, vanish was on cd, no silences, and no spreading bleeds felt bad, but if it's faster to chain pull than seems worth

[shy creek]

Its useful to check if youre playing well or just overgeared

In this case he is overgeared in normal for parses

[ionic hill]

Omg you are right

[shy creek]

You have a fee instances of this where you just need to send on 5 cp and ur not

Or youre just not maintaining the order

If you clean it up, itll be fine

[runic hinge]

It’s better for everyone else in the group to chainpull and also if you already have ruptures running from the previous pack you have scent stacks going and energy coming in

[lost wolf]

ok yeah that makes sense

[ionic hill]

Thanks so much

[runic hinge]

If your tank is pulling in one 5% health mob they’re a bad tank

[shy creek]

You can always just ask tank to let u restalty rlly fast and itll be fine affer

[faint path]

Are u guys still using that shitty ring or did u guys replace it ?

[lost wolf]

I asked but was overruled haha

[balmy condor]

what shitty ring

[runic hinge]

Man has a poop ring

[shy creek]

Generally speaking I dont use vanish on anything other than DM in pugs

The KB dmg gain is negligble compared to peace of mind

[faint path]

cyrce

[balmy condor]

do you have an ilvl 700 ring to replace it?

[faint path]

no