#assassination

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lofty junco
rotund oak
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u can completely ignore anything that has to do with stats for sin

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trust

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if u wanna play sub+sin build for sub that cares for vers

prisma coral
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and hates haste

rotund oak
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basicly irrelevant stat ye

lofty junco
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alright vers+mastery it is then

amber brook
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Can Stix's add be used to energy refund?

prisma coral
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boots/cloaks/bracers/belts are picked as a craftable since they have the lowest stat allocation

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so its seldom a huge deal

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and recrafting is pretty cheap

runic basin
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where ST assa buffs???

balmy condor
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not needed

runic basin
balmy condor
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can't buff raid st any more

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assa good in raid

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can't buff m+ st without buffing raid st or large scale talent reworks

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we do giga aoe in m+, such is our job

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and that's how it is

royal lantern
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ww monk does more

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and people always say "dont nerf, buff the rest"

earnest remnant
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Buff sub. It stinks

royal lantern
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ofc it stinks, you went dumpster diving again raccon man

earnest remnant
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Not my fault the vault came like that

royal lantern
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didnt saw my vault yet, but flmy first vault was a stinker ye

balmy condor
earnest remnant
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2 weeks in a row. With complete dog trash

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It’s great

last skiff
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Dagger is equivalent bis raid yes?

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magic fossil
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2k haste 4k versa and its a upgrade

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from my crafted neck cri +mast from last season

red schooner
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If the sim says it is then ye, all the secondaries are alright for sin

magic fossil
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gosh, odd as hell

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thank you!

red schooner
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We don't have a specific secondary we hate, so ye, just fire the SIM off is the only advice I have

magic fossil
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thank you, it is enough till i put my hands in something better!

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ty again

jade abyss
spare kayak
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should we sim full raid buffs in dungeon slice or no buffs? what do you guys recommend?

balmy condor
balmy condor
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It’s just ++ number really

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Which already is meaningless cause it’s dungeonslice

magic fossil
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@balmy condor mate scroll up a little bit please, take a look at that aberration o got from delve and its saying its better than my craft crit+mas from last season

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its checks out?

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or raidbots are tripping

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if possible ofc

balmy condor
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Yeah

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Goat explained it

magic fossil
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ok

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just double checking

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so it is what it is

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ty both of u again 🙂

balmy condor
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Yeah secondaries are fake as fuck

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Who cares if stat A is worth 11.15 and stat B is worth 11.13 and stat C is worth 11.2

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Cause any item that’s +3 ilvl will just have more stats

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and you fix the rest with enchant and gems and other piece combos

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And so you just don’t give a fuck and yolo it

magic fossil
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ty man, thats a amazing thing to read

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this monstruosity will stay for a while

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😄

balmy condor
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I have like 7 rings at 658

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And 3 necks

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And it only ever wants the vers ring and vers neck

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And I’m like aight whatever

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And then I forgot to equip em

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And I also didn’t care

golden loom
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I have another 658 ring that sims 0.3% better but I am not paying for new sockets

balmy condor
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Gear in this game is absolute clown shit

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You have agility and 4 stats that functionally do the same thing at basically equal value

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And then maybe you get a funny item with some bonus magic words

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And the bonus magic words say either you get more of the 4 stats or it just does tiny fuckass damage to a dude

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And you equip it for the dopamine hit and feel happy for yourself

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Tier is kinda the only semi interesting thing thats left and they were so lazy designing 95% of them that it just ends up being one of the 4 stats again

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It’s really incredible actually

oak eagle
balmy condor
oak eagle
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hey hey hey hey

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lets not do that

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i said necks

balmy condor
oak eagle
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as in pluarl

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get rekt

golden loom
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You calling him fat?

balmy condor
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Idk why I’m holding onto so much 658 gear that I’m never gonna equip anyway

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I’m just gonna replace it with the first thing that 662 regardless of the stats

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So what’s even the point

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Just copium I guess

oak eagle
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massive copium

dapper halo
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admit it

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were here cause of the stockholm syndrome

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im in too deep, its too late for me

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latest numbers makes me hopeful that maybe assa wont get the nerf bat

subtle kiln
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Why would assa get nerfed?

shy axle
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because it was first on the wowhead bar list last reset i guess

solar wyvern
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Imagine if blizz nerfs assa when 2pc 2pc is at its strongest relative to other specs

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Haha anyway, lets buff fire mage thoughts friends?

static glacier
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@balmy condor this has to be signet right? I get to say im locked in as sin forever

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solar wyvern
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Sorry pal, myth helmet and catalyse

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Off to sub jail

static glacier
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but...but I have 5pc already

solar wyvern
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So? Now u can have 6pc!

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Can't wear it, but youll have it,n

static glacier
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honestly if sub didn't use transmitter id happily play it

real pike
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don't think I've ever been more bored looking at a vault

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static glacier
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branch was better than this shit

solar wyvern
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I was saved from transmitter last weak HoC secured

solar wyvern
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Thats exciting

real pike
red schooner
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The key to not using transmitter is to never equip it in the first place. I refused.

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Straight up nah, fuck that

real pike
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that belt is a MASSIVE 14k DPS increase on my fucking 639 belt...23 ilvls for a 0.7% damage increase

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who the fuck came up with the tuning this season

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it's actually starting to tilt me

austere basin
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the only items that are upgrades are the hands at myth track or the garbagemancer's trinket, The trinket is a bigger upgrade now but overall its a d-tier trinket.
(trinket is 23k upgrade and Hands 10k)
should i go for the hands since i can Catalist them lateron for my tier bonus

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real pike
subtle kiln
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so enjoy!

real pike
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for that massive massive bonus we get going from last seasons 2 piece

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I LOVE THIS SEASON

solar wyvern
red schooner
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It'd be nice to replace them but ye, Sims say no

real pike
solar wyvern
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That is quite depressing

real pike
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just a bit

shy axle
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how do these warchests work?

static glacier
subtle kiln
# static glacier honestly might do it

Transmitter is perfect in sims. Hits every Sectech on the nose. It’s basically sim bait and the PvP badge is super close to it in sims even vs myth transmitter

static glacier
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honestly though I think the problem is

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sub just has really good on pull burst

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my guild keep memeing me that our other rogue is gapping me bc they see 4m opener

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despite me usually ending higher

subtle kiln
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it falls off typically, especially with longer fights.

static glacier
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add in rwf playing sub

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and people's perception of how good sin is cooked

subtle kiln
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just tell them all rogues are equally mid cosmetic dps and replace you both with 2 WW monks

static glacier
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our 1 ww rerolled spriest

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we have no ww xd

subtle kiln
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lol

static glacier
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I normally compete with the warriors

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thus far im best logging dps in the guild

subtle kiln
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Well spriest not bad. But missing the ww juice right now. Unluck.

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all three specs are basically play what you enjoy. Unironically a good tier for outlaw enjoyers.

real pike
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sin is cooked tho

static glacier
real pike
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we dropped 11 places in rankings cause other classes tier sets are actual upgrades

static glacier
real pike
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without some tuning we're going to fall off fucking hard

static glacier
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the reason we dropped is that more mytthic bosses were killed

real pike
static glacier
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we're actually insane for 1st boss

subtle kiln
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nah. DH needs mythic tier as well

red schooner
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Sin is fine, I ain't raiding rwf, any spec is viable in that context

tawdry mica
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I finally got my hands on 4p hero track and also replacing a 626 chest with a 650+ one. Still simming ~1% better than before, this is so sad

real pike
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going from last seasons 2pc to this seasons 4pc full hero should NOT be a dps loss

subtle kiln
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Or just realize you were blessed with early dps from 2pc both seasons.

real pike
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agree any spec is viable for non-RWF raiding yes

static glacier
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yo anyone noticed the jojo reference?

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real pike
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but this just feels bad

static glacier
subtle kiln
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they could have just nuked old 4pc

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and then it’s a worse spot

red schooner
static glacier
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highkey

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I think we're realistically middle of the pack

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whispyr's apl / sims are just ethical

red schooner
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I like sin, I play sin. I am a very simple man

static glacier
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and other classes are doing ungodly things for a bunch of 0.2% increases to inflate simdps

real pike
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I agree but I am also a simple ape that wants bigger number SadgeCry

static glacier
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its ok buddy

real pike
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number smaller make silly man sad

tawdry mica
subtle kiln
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WW was 2.9 milly ptr sims. Doesn’t seem unethical based on performance.

static glacier
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im saying compared to like

red schooner
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Silly monks, imagine not hiding your power level

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Fools

static glacier
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midpack stuff

subtle kiln
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warrior, good ones, are performing.

red schooner
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I'm still beating our raids ww monk ST somehow

static glacier
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like look at feral

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spec sims a few hundred ahead of us

red schooner
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Idk what he's doing

static glacier
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realistically same kinda level if not weaker

subtle kiln
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No one plays that spec

young knot
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is 4p good or should i still be 2p 2p

amber brook
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Does Stix's adds allow us to energy refund?

static glacier
subtle kiln
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no one plays our class

tawdry mica
subtle kiln
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built diffy than druids

red schooner
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I'm fucking trapped

static glacier
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we might break 2m dps this week if lucky

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real pike
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it's my lifen ow

static glacier
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sim-wise it's bleak but idk if it's reasonable to expect buffs

subtle kiln
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the real disappointment is zero real gameplay changes or talent tuning between seasons. Idgaf what the gear numbers show. But that’s me.

red schooner
real pike
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tbf it took me a while to get used to the shiv change omegalul

red schooner
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Instead of just, you get slightly bigger numbers sometimes

static glacier
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unlike dm / kb it feels like an actual cd on aoe, not just stats (trink) or st dmg that spatters

subtle kiln
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the one nice thing when all three specs are mid, you can play what you want and not give a shit about comparing what the other two are doing, which can be a real struggle for some people.

static glacier
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did that anyway tbh, they've almost always been like this

subtle kiln
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you’re the minority

royal lantern
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so it kinda fits for that double referencd

static glacier
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im trying to remember when there was a massive difference between specs

modest gale
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which tierset do we drop ?

static glacier
subtle kiln
static glacier
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even then outside of rash and ovinax I don't remember a boss thats a huge difference

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recently anyway

real pike
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and I didn't even mind it

subtle kiln
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oh you forget the non sub rogues figuring out sub dust timings kekdog

royal lantern
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@static glacier if you want a more balant pure jojo reference

antorus, the argus fight achievment for the Glory mount is literally called Stardust Crusaders kekdog

tight compass
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not sure what to pick here, im leaning towards trinket, my current tier setup is 1x myth 3x hc (but im using 2-2)

sims says tier is slight bigger upgrade but its alot easier to obtain in raid

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static glacier
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eye is worse, useless in m+

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and short fights

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litterally best passive trink

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you'll get some legs to catalyst for free

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at some point

pseudo bison
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Hey I’m someone who used to play in wraith and came back for the tww and for the life of me I can not get off the bottom of the damage charts when raiding. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. I’m parcing super low

Focusing on keeping bleeds ups and hitting cd windows but I just keep struggling. Any tips or things I might be missing. Teppic of black dragon flight

tight compass
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yee thats my thinking too just wanted input so i dont get baited by myself

static glacier
tight compass
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yee

olive tusk
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I dont get it... @balmy condor

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static glacier
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if you're stuck on a dps check in raid there might be an argument for legs, even then Id say you take trink for longterm power

tight compass
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its a 5k difference on myth legs > trinket

tight compass
olive tusk
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okok

static glacier
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for raid fights in hc and mythic eye is s tier

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but for dungeons / fights under like 3m it's c or below

subtle kiln
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Eye is fight timing dependent

static glacier
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with the raid buff and nerfs to fights

subtle kiln
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yea

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I like my heroic pacemaker. Would take a mythic for sure.

regal cloud
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Oi yall know if floodgates trinket is decent or good for m+?

static glacier
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I got hc eye from week 1 vault, still using ovinax egg for keys though

static glacier
red schooner
olive tusk
golden loom
regal cloud
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Nicu ty wasn't fully sure x)

subtle kiln
sharp viper
static glacier
warm vortex
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What

sharp viper
static glacier
sharp viper
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esp with new 4 set

static glacier
sharp viper
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no but that's because I am worse at sub

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just comparing fictional numbers

olive tusk
# warm vortex What

I tried to see my "picture" with a new eye, and I think I get it now... So EoK has been nerfed, so no more S-Tier AT ALL, and EoK is now B-Tier because still kind of a A-Tier for raid content and C-Tier for M+, is that right?

warm vortex
golden loom
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Well its quickly getting worse for heroic raid cause its bad in short fights

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And useless in m+

warm vortex
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Bis lists are meaningless tbh

olive tusk
golden loom
warm vortex
golden loom
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Cause you are simming a static 5 min fight

warm vortex
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No?

golden loom
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It doesnt show how the value of the trinket changes with time

warm vortex
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You can sim different times

golden loom
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Like week 1 eye of kezan is better than week 5

static glacier
warm vortex
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Just take the length of what the fight would be and sim it then

static glacier
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I swear the sim is fake

golden loom
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Okay but its still missing the point kinda

olive tusk
warm vortex
static glacier
toxic sparrow
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Not sure if I should pick the BiS Belt (I have it Heroic) or the Crit/Mastery Ring...

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static glacier
# olive tusk like really?

It’s a joke, reflecting our inability to execute gameplay as well as the sim, sub has v tight timers on opener to fit 3rd sectec in dmg windows

warm vortex
sharp viper
warm vortex
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Idk say

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*id say

static glacier
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Not dropped again

warm vortex
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HoC?

golden loom
sharp viper
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i have it in my vault, very tempted to pick it

static glacier
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I’d say give it to other rogue if it drops anyway

sharp viper
static glacier
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I got myth signet with avoidance this week

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So I’m kinda out the running for HoC

golden loom
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I get to go home in 1 hour 30 and check my vault

warm vortex
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Idk how good HoC is on Bm tbh
When we run a cooldown we have a 2 min one

toxic sparrow
warm vortex
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And in M+ we don’t run cooldowns atm

warm vortex
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And how likely are you to get said gallywix ring

sharp viper
warm vortex
static glacier
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Idk if sim counts extra priory stats

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Being in a priory group with 4x the extra buff feels like it might juice it above HoC

royal lantern
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cus those extra stats are less then a Gem

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absolutely neglectable

stark halo
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How close are sin and sub ST in raid? Seems like it’s not much of a difference but I could be wrong. If I’m decent at Sin already, is it worth trying to learn sub?

royal lantern
west crown
warm vortex
static glacier
warm vortex
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Literal Bis American

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“Idk what my doctor says I’m having my docta pepper”

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Also tyran

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Proof that BM rn is a big bear man spec

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shy axle
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damn, 662 + 658 still 2k behind 2x old 2p 639

warm vortex
storm hedge
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665+665 still behind feelscryman

shy axle
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yeah

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just feels weird

warm vortex
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God insane how much they butchered assassination tier this season omegalul

royal lantern
normal mist
compact peak
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what is the consensus on assass vs sub for pushing M+?

royal lantern
warm vortex
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Sadly you don’t see much of biscuit

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Because she never pops out as at most I’ll have the other 3

royal lantern
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biscuit during combat

warm vortex
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Iirc sugar is my luster, cheese is the goober who is out otherwise, and chip is on the sideline

warm vortex
warm vortex
royal lantern
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great

tawdry mica
normal mist
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100%ed it :3

warm vortex
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Damn already
What a gamer

normal mist
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Oh did it a week ago

warm vortex
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Like BMs is insane, priests seems insane, pallies seem insane

normal mist
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Now I game when friends hmu

warm vortex
normal mist
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Replaying mhw. Wondering if I'll return to wow actually

warm vortex
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Fair

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Still assassination?

tawdry mica
warm vortex
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Wasn’t it worse in PTR XD

tawdry mica
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No idea I usually don't pay attention to PTR, but if you say it was worse

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then XD

normal mist
warm vortex
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I’ll miss the GoaT

blazing tulip
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
normal mist
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I'll just blame @spice spire

warm vortex
warm vortex
tawdry mica
warm vortex
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*gally

static glacier
warm vortex
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I love the flavour that the boss’ bodyguard is harder than the boss itself

tawdry mica
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That acutally makes a little bit of sense

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Lore accurate raid

warm vortex
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Yea

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I still love the raid

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Minus stix

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Tbh this patch is incredible

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The flavour, the dungeon, the new raid, even the delve

tawdry mica
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I'm liking stix (on hc), I love caustic spatter going insane

warm vortex
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Sidestreet Sluice is the best delve

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They made a delve so good I remember its name

red schooner
warm vortex
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Tunnel funnel

tawdry mica
warm vortex
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Pog

red schooner
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Get praised by the RL for actually killing adds when I did nothing

warm vortex
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Tbh

red schooner
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But single target boss

tawdry mica
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lmaoo

red schooner
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Feels good

warm vortex
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I never realised how much I’d miss the ease of going from pure ST to cleave

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With the flick of a choice node

royal lantern
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bro, you make 2 trees for bm, 1called pure st and 1 called Raid Cleave

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and swap bettwen them kekdog

warm vortex
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Yea but I lose a lot of DPS when swapping compared to assas

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Which loses like

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A tiny bit

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Going from IB to CS

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But tbh the raid this tier seems p good anyway
So far the only boss in hero that isn’t too good for that sorta talent change is stix

rain berry
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house of cards is so much better than signet of priory?

warm vortex
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I don’t know how needed cleave is on one armed

warm vortex
red schooner
rain berry
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i have house of cards hc in chest but also a mythic dagger

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dont know what to choose

red schooner
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Sim it

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And see

rain berry
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the dagger is a little better in sims

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but trinket maybe

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wont appear again

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the difference is 80.9%

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0.9&

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xd

wet wharf
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On Gally. Does the caustic spatter cleave on to the adds that spwn with the bombs, if you are targeting gally himself?

tawdry mica
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are both maxed out in the sim?

royal lantern
rain berry
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i have priory trinket yes

royal lantern
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then you have no reason to take HoC

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they are equal

warm vortex
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The rent on a house of cards

royal lantern
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well, if you wanna play sub i gues

warm vortex
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Must be p cheap to live in

royal lantern
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but for assa priory and HoC are the same

warm vortex
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So it seems quite efficient

rain berry
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so i'll take dagger i guess

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ty

tawdry mica
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I'll take HoC for you thanks

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Appreciate it

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It's looking like I'm playing Skardyn's for a couple of weeks more

desert swallow
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
warm vortex
tawdry mica
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But still, it works

warm vortex
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Lmao rip

tawdry mica
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It just feels bad i'm always late in terms of getting new trinkets

warm vortex
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I feel that

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I don’t have much time to run M+ atm

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So trinkets are hard to cum by

tawdry mica
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Exactly

warm vortex
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Also any dungeons that feel good on Assa?

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Only done one single rookery run on week 1

shy axle
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all yet tbh

royal lantern
warm vortex
bitter solar
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Yes

warm vortex
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But I can imagine on priory especially

royal lantern
dapper halo
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iron woke isnt part of bleedbuild :<

warm vortex
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Tbh I swear the entire discord goes from

“IW is invaluable”
To
“IW is a dps loss”

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Back n fourth

royal lantern
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yes

red schooner
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I like IW I can feel justified in being lazy on interrupts later

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Sometimes I just wanna blast okay

warm vortex
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And are there any this season you just don’t worry about IW
Cause I remember last season

red schooner
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Just bought you 6 seconds of no cast you're welcome

warm vortex
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But for each of you
Do you guys do IW atm

subtle tundra
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no and i regret each time

red schooner
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I just run IW in all

bitter solar
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I do. Doomblades is meh

royal lantern
red schooner
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I'm not fancy enough to have specific loadouts per dungeon

subtle tundra
red schooner
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I either full bleed build or full hybrid depending on mood

warm vortex
golden loom
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I play bleed build with iron wire only

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Fuck master assassin

warm vortex
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I wonder who the master assassin is

royal lantern
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quake

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his full name is Quake Boy Lover Master Assassin

hearty seal
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what's the best way to spread garrote/rupture during IC on large pulls? tab targeting doesn't always bring me to the target that doesn't have either

solid hemlock
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mouseover

ocean fable
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Mouse overs?

hearty seal
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over what? nameplates?

royal lantern
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idk, i just stay on my target and hammer stuff into it and let IC handle it

red schooner
hearty seal
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fuck I'll have to make yet another attempt to make plater nameplates actually not clump up

ocean fable
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Many macros out there to help make it easy

warm vortex
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Unless your playing bleed you only rlly need 5 ruppies

solid hemlock
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its annoying but its free dmg

nova aspen
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
solid hemlock
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small min max

warm vortex
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Like

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A tiny tiny tiny amount of damage

solid hemlock
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it is

warm vortex
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Due to how much of your damage is from spattering over all those bozos

solid hemlock
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and CT

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yep

red schooner
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But on bleed build when you get that juicy SD final hit

royal lantern
hearty seal
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well I'm not playing bleed atm

warm vortex
royal lantern
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ye

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you spread garrote more

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but rupture? nah not really

red schooner
solid hemlock
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you dont take SD for the execute portion

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unless ur playing really low keys

royal lantern
warm vortex
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Shouldn’t you still take it due to the bleed damage

solid hemlock
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ye thats what i meant

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you take the talent for the 15% dmg amp

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not for the "pop"

red schooner
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It was good times

solid hemlock
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oh yeah surely

royal lantern
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time walking is always tuning fun

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i rememeber timewalking during legion, where you could literally 1hit kill bosses

solid hemlock
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btw

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for the second crafted piece, is there any recommended offpiece or just craft whatever?

warm vortex
tawdry mica
solid hemlock
#

seems fair

#

my wrist & belt got socket, so its gonna be boots

royal lantern
#

you wont replace it

solid hemlock
#

yes ofc

raven saffron
#

Is assa just OMEGA energy starved?

solid hemlock
#

in m+ yes

warm vortex
#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

red schooner
warm vortex
raven saffron
#

Holy fuck this is ass to play

solid hemlock
#

m+ st

red schooner
#

I don't know what you expected

warm vortex
raven saffron
#

Even with pooling

#

Its stilla ss

#

Like the worst ive ever played assa holy fuck

royal lantern
#

god forbidd we have that

raven saffron
#

I mean you spend 40% of the time doing nothing

royal lantern
#

when 30+ other dps specs can slam

raven saffron
#

Thats amazing

royal lantern
red schooner
royal lantern
#

the fuck

#

assa has 54-52APM

red schooner
#

Pooling is pointless apart from a minor Kb boost

royal lantern
#

thats nearly GCD capped

red schooner
#

Energy is completely pointless other than us sometimes running out

royal lantern
#

if you spend 40% of your time doing nothing, maybe apply poison and out some bleeds on stuff dracthyr_kek

red schooner
#

We're either capped to fuck in aoe or starved st

royal lantern
#

"meaning" doesnt always mean "huge gameplay impact"

#

outlaw has endless energy->its abilitys do lower dmg

#

assa/sub can run out->they do more dmg with a ability cast

unborn spindle
#

Hey is there anyone who is expert on assassination? I dont how can i do 10% pharse on logs while my dmg / i level should be okey ish

red schooner
#

For me meaning would mean a gameplay related impact altering how I play, instead of just hitting the same rotation but sometimes being delayed slightly

tawdry mica
#

what other class lets you do that huh

red schooner
#

Like, me being out of energy changes nothing other than a slight delay, so it's meaningless in that respect

static glacier
#

Knowing when to not press buttons as gameplay is actually really good and the game should make better use of it

#

ATM we barely pool

red schooner
#

I'd be down for pooling being relevant for us

#

So much

static glacier
#

S3 df hit a sweet spot

red schooner
#

I like the pool

static glacier
#

With the tier set heavily rewarding pooling

red schooner
#

At the moment it's just, yeah, we send buttons the same regardless of energy count, even tea is pointless outside of the 1m mastery boost

dapper cradle
#

I thought everyone played outlaw in df s3 (i was addicted to the gamba)

red schooner
#

It's weird design

unborn spindle
red schooner
raven saffron
#

I mean, I have time to make dinner in betweenmy globals as assa

unborn spindle
royal lantern
royal lantern
#

filter hit dracthyr_blush

spice surge
#

I find it interesting how many more people complain about assa being slow compared to sub, when theyre pretty much the same speed. Like ye sub is fast in cooldowns but way slower than assa outside of em

royal lantern
#

i never get it tbh

red schooner
royal lantern
#

like, assa and sub a really simmelar in gameplay for some time now

#

fast cd windows->slow outside of it

red schooner
#

Wait, @spice spire is here, he loves a log review

spice spire
#

Suh dude

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Nah I’m getting ready for work

#

All you goat

#

I’ll look later 🙂

raven saffron
#

Assa right now feels absolutely terrible to me

red schooner
raven saffron
#

And Tryan being a very humble human being with his suggestion of 'put poisons up' is not helpful nor does that change anything :)

spice spire
#

That’s the only way I do log review

royal lantern
#

why energy so low?->did you apply poisons?->oh, forgot

raven saffron
warm vortex
# raven saffron Quite*

When someone making a valid argument has a spelling error so you completely ignore their points:

manic quartz
#

MTier legs with leech from vaut kekdog

raven saffron
warm vortex
#

Well that also just makes you disrespectful aswell

manic haven
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
static glacier
static glacier
#

Kingsbane can be rough though

royal lantern
#

i mean, what do you want us too say?

yes, assa energy on m+ bosses runs out bettwen cd windows

energy being able to run out if you dont take all energy talents is done by desing, and you cant take all in m+

at the same time, sub has the same thing but nobody complains about it for some reason

  • wow players love to complain about all classes being the same, but then get pissy when 1 (when its actually 2-3) spec out if 30+ dps options has some short windows where its not spamming its generic filler
#

and if you had energy, you would just do a poopy dmg mutilate mutilate envenom anyway lol

golden loom
#

Also idk what dreamworld people live in where specs dont have resources

placid adder
#

Ret

#

Kek

humble verge
#

HAHAHAH I FORGOT TO CHANGE OUT OF OUTLAW LOOT AFTER HELPING MY GUILDIE TRYING TO GET CLEFT NECK

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im sad

royal lantern
#

GET FUCKED FOR TOUCHING OUTLAW

humble verge
#

i didnt touch outlaw

#

i just looted outlaw

#

to not get dagger in the dung

#

and forgor to change

#

sadge

nova aspen
#

ah yes

#

the blastmaster 3000

#

what a trinket that one

humble verge
#

yea

#

honestly

royal lantern
#

outlaw vault outlaw vault

humble verge
#

maybe making a cape might be the idea

golden loom
#

My day is ruined

image.png
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

static glacier
#

Xd

nova aspen
golden loom
#

well I have crafted so idm but what the fk are these trinkets

static glacier
#

If you’d just done 8 10s it would be dagger and chill

#

Now it’s a tragedy, socket or neck maybe?

golden loom
#

wait lowkey neck is good

nova aspen
#

isnt that the one from mugzee?

tawny geyser
#

The cast bar usually says for what spec you’re opening the vault 😂

nova aspen
#

heavy mast light haste

golden loom
nova aspen
#

mugzee neck bis

golden loom
#

rolling 2 dungeon trinkets and its those 2 though kekdog

nova aspen
#

neck is my last 636 item to replace

tawny geyser
#

Got a bit of feedback from my guild about my damage on Mythic Rik. I did way lower damage on adds than others. How can I improve that?

royal lantern
#

have your tanks move the boss so you can cleave better

tacit barn
#

why does my scent of blood disapear even tho i have rupture on the target? Usually notice it on st fights in keys.

tawny geyser
royal lantern
#

hell no

tawny geyser
#

How would you approach the adds then to do a bit more damage. Rupture them?

golden loom
#

you hit boss

royal lantern
#

you play assa

you cleave from boss

golden loom
#

and tell them adds are someone elses problem

tawny geyser
#

So its about positioning after all

golden loom
#

goddamn the vault popped off!!!

image.png
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19 ilvl putting in work goddamn

nova aspen
#

should be significantly more in dungeon slice at least

#

heavy mast over heavy haste

golden loom
#

true im gonna fkin demise all over

royal lantern
#

aka if there is a mechanic that goes beyond TAUNT AT X STACKS they get a mental overload

nova aspen
#

relying on tanks for us to parse christ

royal lantern
nova aspen
#

idk if im ever gonna parse well on gallywix

#

adds are always in africa

#

cant spatter

golden loom
#

im never gonna reach the heights of my 0.9% wipe parse so why even try

spice spire
#

For me*

golden loom
#

hope u get something good

spice spire
#

I got myth pacemaker

nova aspen
golden loom
#

gyatt damn

humble verge
#

it only took 2 weeks of content

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nova aspen
#

i got hero house of cards

#

it was either that or myth wep

#

but i figure i just get the dagger from rik

spice spire
#

My m+ row popped off

humble verge
#

that ring is kinda kooki

spice spire
#

Ye

#

Pace was bigger tho

#

So W

humble verge
#

at 678?

spice spire
#

Ye

humble verge
#

well it is #2 outisde of prio/hoc

spice spire
#

My sim also is craving haste

#

Which is hella cursed

humble verge
#

why would it crave haste

nova aspen
#

my sim favors heavy mast light vers rings CH_PepeWtfCute

sharp isle
#

What tier iteam do we not want as ass?

spice spire
#

I have 19000 mastery, 14000 crit, 5000 haste

#

Haste finally up

nova aspen
#

which means my crit must be giga

toxic sparrow
spice spire
nova aspen
#

i had a champ one

#

but now i have house of cards hero

spice spire
#

Ahh that’s weird

sharp isle
nova aspen
#

ohh i didnt resim my crit/mast ring after equipping hoc

#

ill have to see

humble verge
#

im only missing like

#

15,25 ilvls

nova aspen
#

i think ill be 661 when im done upgrading for the week

#

and MAYBE 663 if i get mugzee neck

spice spire
#

I’ll likely be closer to 658. Still holding onto old tier because guild is slow rolling raid

obtuse lance
#

i got 679 dagger with 444haste/751mast in vault and 679 ring in vault with 5144crit/2684mast. I really have no clue what to pick. I have 675 MH now, but i could put that in OFFhand and take the 679 dagger as main hand. WHen i sim it, the ring turns out to be best upgrade. I use dungeonslice for simming, but it seems you should always aim for masatery over everything. How does that make sense? do you sim in different ways?. Anyway if you any tip on what ot pick i would apprecieate it, so i can start playing some keys 😄 (I Only do M+

royal lantern
#

sim

obtuse lance
royal lantern
#

allright yeha sorry, saw vault and just went "sim it"

#

secondarys dont matter mate

nova aspen
#

i would sim all upgrades for patchwerk imo

royal lantern
#

if the dagger upgrade is the biggest one cus you dont have a max ilvl mainhand dagger, grab it sure

iron ivy
#

!craft

prisma monolithBOT
#

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

nova aspen
#

i always go for the ST upgrade since that is what we lack most

royal lantern
#

but its not about secondarys

obtuse lance
royal lantern
royal lantern
#

people love to overvalue secondsays like crazy

#

when mainstat Upgrades more or less always win by default

obtuse lance
golden loom
#

Well Mainhand weapon is most important, so if you already have a 675 crafted weapon, a max myth track dagger isnt that big of a upgrade

#

cause its only 3 ilvl and then the small offhand stats

strange sleet
obtuse lance
golden loom
#

the ring is the biggest upgrade in that situation

tawny geyser
obtuse lance
static glacier
spring briar
maiden sierra
#

why does breaking 2-2 set for 3 set increese my dps but getting 4 set is a massive dps downgrade?
im simming 2 myth track tier pieces

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strange sleet
#

Btw, I also got a myth crit/mastery weap this vault, already having a 675 crafted. I got the Jasper ring but only in champ, so I picked up the dagger and just forget for the rest of the patch. 1.6% dps upgrade, very close to ring but higher QL for me

hoary remnant
#

And very rare

strange sleet
#

ring was 1.3 vs 1.6 dagger

#

but with dagger I'm done for the rest of the patch

#

a better ring can potentially drop

#

later

obtuse lance
# hoary remnant And very rare

WHat do you mean about ring is rare and OP? would the the ring where you have more mastery than crit be way better for high keys?

golden loom
prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
golden loom
#

like idk, you are thinking too much about the stats

strange sleet
#

For me, crit was #1 at the end of last patch in AoE. ANd haste for ST

#

so yeah the better option is to always sim

#

honestly

hollow river
#

stat weights garf_sit

golden loom
#

100 parse on bloodbound last season, 100 parse on cauldron now, king of 2nd boss lfr 😎

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obtuse lance
#

Ty all!

static glacier
#

Respecttt

golden loom
#

gotta get the rep for damage bonus somehow 😎

strange sleet
#

insane parse

nova aspen
#

lfr parsing kek

tawdry mica
golden loom
#

took spatter but rick has no adds on LFR???

deep gyro
nova aspen
#

i dont think rik even has adds on normal

tawdry mica
#

it doesn't

static glacier
#

Rik has adds in mythic? garf

#

This raid has adds?

patent iron
lilac tulip
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
#

ruined

image.png
covert mesa
#

!macro

golden loom
prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
humble verge
gusty mirage
golden loom
patent iron
#

i wish there was a way to get rid of the auto tea

subtle kiln
#

There is.

#

Play sub or outlaw.

patent iron
#

maybe

zinc vale
#

its kinda weird there is no class tuning after two weeks , some spec tier sets are so bad that needs to be changed or tuned

past oracle
#

Assassination is very diff to play on last bosses - extremely reliant on tank positioning

#

Tier is very bad

#

Every class is leapfrogging

zinc vale
#

im still using 2 2 and thats so bad

past oracle
#

Regret taking the mythic signet right now from vault

#

Maybe should lean into outlaw

#

Their set piece seems to work

zinc vale
#

there is only 247 outlaw rogue parses

#

dont waste ur time on outlaw

past oracle
#

It’s still a significant sample size

patent iron
#

it's still early days.

peak bobcat
#

our 4 piece works

#

it just works bad

#

correctly bad

atomic creek
#

Other classes get 4 sets that actually do something and we get a pathetic 4 second buff

spice surge
#

i mean they just randomly decided not to do tuning

spice surge
dawn seal
#

Question

atomic creek
dawn seal
#

Do u usually bench people for 1t boss rekill

balmy condor
red schooner
balmy condor
red schooner
#

S trinket is the bee trinket, purely because I get to ride on a bee

#

It just be that way

nova aspen
red schooner
#

Purely for the bee

balmy condor
spice surge
#

The fact that the alchemy stone, which has long been considered trash, is now a decent option for trinkets

#

Despite not receiving any buffs whatsoever

#

Should tell you the state of trinkets

spice spire
balmy condor
#

Balanced to shit yeah

spice spire
#

Just like me fr

soft niche
#

is this season tier set really bad ?
2 peices of this season (671 and 658)+ 2 pieces of last season (639)
is simming better than 4 pieces ( 1 671 and 3 658)

balmy condor
#

They basically quietly nerfed all PvE trinket power across the game by maybe 5-6%

balmy condor
spice surge
#

And halved the effectiveness of gems and enchants compared to last expansion. While cutting the embellishment power by like 2/3

#

Odd, to say the least

gusty mirage
spice surge
#

Cant have cool items and hero talents at the same time apparently

balmy condor
spice spire
#

God bless

spice surge
spice spire
#

Bfa tw raid about to go brazy

#

Maut returns

tawdry mica
#

infinite stars... what a thing that was back then

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

Infinite stars still fucking kills you

dapper cradle
#

gushing wound

subtle kiln
dapper cradle
gusty mirage
spice surge
#

Bruh that shit spooky as hell

spice spire
#

Dog I DM’d one last night

spice surge
#

(as sub, iirc it doesnt work on dots)

spice spire
#

And left it in gods hands

spice spire
#

🙂

gusty mirage
#

:!

spice surge
#

Didnt seem to work on ignite

#

just mage things ig

balmy condor
#

It definitely works on envenom Smile

spice spire
#

It worked for my bleeds

#

Ask me how I know

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

(Dying on the run back)

#

It’s pogchampion

gusty mirage
#

Main character syndrome

dapper cradle
#

im afraid your son has main character syndrome

#

as he's tik tok dancing in the middle of a busy sidewalk

gusty mirage
#

I adopted him

golden loom
#

Medivh flamestriked a bunch of trolls to save stormwind and mages have been op ever since

balmy condor
#

I cast a darkest night envenom during deathmark on that reflect and saw my life flash before my eyes

gusty mirage
tawdry mica
#

Wait what mini boss is that

subtle kiln
#

just have healer do healing things. 4head

spice surge
balmy condor
spice surge
#

Cloak it up

balmy condor
spice surge
gusty mirage
tawdry mica
balmy condor
#

The caster in the ditch

#

The bitch in the ditch, if you may

twin spoke
#

!guide

balmy condor
#

Ditch bitch

subtle kiln
tawdry mica
#

I'll watch out next time then lol

spice surge
twin spoke
#

!guide

#

wheres guide

balmy condor
#

Moroes dead

#

Open wowhead

twin spoke
#

its easier from here banned in my country

balmy condor
#

Then open icyveins

twin spoke
#

😄

marble hemlock
#

then open the window, its sunny outside

nova aspen
#

68 F and sunny today

#

if only i could run keys while outside

dapper cradle
#

outside > keys

#

not even a question bro

#

it's like 70f and sunny today

nova aspen
#

but i need my mythic compliance

dapper cradle
#

once i'm down with work its BIKING time

nova aspen
#

8 10s

dapper cradle
#

be in the sunshine bro

#

legit what we evolved for

nova aspen
#

oh

#

we didnt evolve for WoW??

dapper cradle
#

i biked to work this morning, and a few of the trees started blossoming already

#

you could smell it in the air

nova aspen
#

spring

gusty mirage
dapper cradle
#

it was just a mellow, sweet floral smell

#

i love springtime so much it's unreal

golden loom
#

Spring time is GOATED

dapper cradle
#

cherry blossom festival here in DC soon

golden loom
#

the snow went away really fkin early this year

cinder bone
#

WE DID IT BOYS

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golden loom
#

global warming is not real 🤡

cinder bone
#

MY LONG STRUGGLE IS OVER

dapper cradle
#

global WARMING??? then how come it was so cold and snowy this year?????

#

checkmate libs

spice spire
#

Real

cinder bone
#

Got all my heroic track gear just need to do my 8 10s from now feelsgood

spice spire
#

Can’t relate

#

Still a GIGA rat

#

That’s what missing week 2 does to a mf

dapper cradle
#

it's probably an afk until s3 angle at this point

#

you're way too behind bro

stark scroll
#

i kick all who ask for summons regardless

haughty flicker
#

no shot i just got pinged about a 14 day old joke

spice surge
haughty flicker
golden loom
spice spire
dapper cradle
spice spire
dapper cradle
spice spire
#

I’m not scarring these poor rogues with a reaction war

#

Again

dapper cradle
#

I want you

spice spire
#

Dog?

fallow estuary
#

As some1 whos only pugging (so only HC items and minimal chance at kezan to win in rolls)

Kezan heroic or Myth shoulders?

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dapper cradle
#

it loses value in m+ and short fights

fallow estuary
#

Oh fuck that then

dapper cradle
#

it'll probably just get worse and worse as the tier goes on

cloud basin
#

Question, does Signet take into account buffs for secondary stats? Like if my flask buffs my crit to be my highest secondary will Signet buff my crit?

spice surge
cloud basin
#

Should I lower my crit so mastery is always highest or will it still be okay? I actually dunno which would give better dps

spice surge
#

Well you can just sim it kek

marble hemlock
#

think this tier itll be almost impossible to not get mastery

#

feels like nothing has crit

#

im at 23% crit Despairge

spice surge
#

But in general ye

marble hemlock
#

sitting at like 18k mastery and 8k crit atm JanCarlo2

cloud basin
#

I have some pieces that are like crit vers because I took the ilevel upgrade cuz Agi

golden loom
#

im at 9668 crit and 22504 mastery kekdog

marble hemlock
#

ye its err

#

not even close

#

even if you take out the cyrces buff

#

just dogshit loot this season, outlaw suffering too

golden loom
#

6k haste and 3,3k vers

marble hemlock
#

gl trying to find a vers crit piece lol

cloud basin
#

I'll eventually replace pieces to even out the stats though

marble hemlock
#

most of the gear will have to be crafted then

#

theres not a whole lot of crit/mastery items in this season

spice surge
#

3k crit, 3k haste, 16k vers, 20k mastery. sub

golden loom
#

same amount of leech and vers pretty much 😎

haughty flicker
#

18k mastery 11k crit pepe_chad

marble hemlock
#

make crit great again

minor hinge
cloud basin
#

Idk how much i have stat wise. Percent wise I'm at like 32% crit and 35% mastery. I'm also still using items that need to be replaced

haughty flicker
#

they're using shiv twice in a row and garroting before vanish, its just fundamental stuff you can read the guide to understand

minor hinge
#

Cool ty

cloud basin
#

I def need to start looking at logs though lol. I can purple parse easy af but it's never an orange

#

Probably just like small tweaks rotation wise

humble verge
#

its just insane to me, swapping out some stuff in bags and going sub just to sim 200k more on ST 😭

red schooner
#

pacemaker is tempting

image.png
#

but, gonna see how the sim goes

humble verge
red schooner
#

jeez

humble verge
red schooner
humble verge
#

but pace probably will be your best option

red schooner
#

are you blind?

humble verge
#

yeah

#

i saw that after

#

😭

balmy condor
humble verge
#

but i think i typed the emote right before you sent it

#

thats why

#

its not that deep

#

well for me it is

balmy condor
humble verge