assassination

[dreamy rover]

best app from dude that cant spell critically

[marble hemlock]

was great

[dreamy rover]

3x critical thinking in 1 answer is insane

[marble hemlock]

we also had a "location: norway" "occupation: denmark" app

that one was good

or the other way around, idr

[humble verge]

man, last time i wrote an app was in fucking legion, i tried to join a top 300 guild with like top 2k experience

[vast fractal]

I'm typing quickly on my phone, not applying to a mythic raiding guild.

[coral ibex]

how ipronic

[marble hemlock]

pshero app was good too, since this was the response

[humble verge]

[dreamy rover]

braindead

[humble verge]

pshero did pve?

since when

[dreamy rover]

im out here trying to join top 2k guild with 0 exp 😄

[humble verge]

get some heroic kills and ure already mostly there rofl

[haughty flicker]

Idk I just joined the first guild to message me lmao

We’ll see how it goes

[marble hemlock]

that was like 8y ago or so

[dreamy rover]

was 3/8M pugging last season and didnt get a response from guild where people were parsing gray so

idk

might just fucking stick to pugs, i cant deal with these recruiters

[marble hemlock]

think vast majority of apps we gotten this tier so far is from people who never killed a single mythic boss last tier

its kinda demoralizing

[haughty flicker]

Yup sounds like me

[marble hemlock]

had a guy recently whose warcraftlogs was linking to season1 m+ logs

from DF

[haughty flicker]

Are you setting up your profile looking for guild on warcraftlogs or what

[marble hemlock]

but cant fault people for applying

[coral ibex]

did you flag yourself as looking for a guild on raider.io?

[haughty flicker]

I think as long as your heroic logs aren’t terrible you should be able to find at least a CE guild

Especially as rogue since nobody plays this shit

[royal lantern]

dont worry same for us

[coral ibex]

i got contacted by recruiters with mid heroic logs and weekly m+ key logs

[marble hemlock]

also regularly getting conversations like these

applicant adds you to bnet
applicant asks "hi, how can i apply?"
we respond with "apply through the guild form"
applicant goes "what was the name of your guild again?"

[royal lantern]

90% of applications are people that never saw a mythic raid

hell, most never even do heroic

[azure crane]

i know the answer is gonna be sim. but is there at all a rough number for minium % haste??

[coral ibex]

no

[marble hemlock]

0%

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[haughty flicker]

Yeah last tier I was 4/8 heroic and still got messages lmao

[marble hemlock]

is the minimum

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[marble hemlock]

moroes spamming

[runic hinge]

Rocky road cause my life is a Rocky road

[royal lantern]

you forgot "i was server first back in (insert vanilla/tbc/wotlk raid) but on another ACC"

[azure crane]

just feel like 5% is oddly low

[royal lantern]

that STILL happens to thiy day lol

[coral ibex]

!haste

[drifting cloud]

weve had 3 people apply lately who havent raided since legion

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

hm that's not the haste message

[runic hinge]

What’s your guild I’m applying

[marble hemlock]

beats getting the discpriest that bought an acc from a wellknown player, pretended to be that player, then proceeded to heal less than a boomkin on farm

[royal lantern]

im more impressed that the boomkin used healing stuff

[marble hemlock]

they didnt

[dreamy rover]

to be fair i applied to 3-4 guilds, manually went after them and got 0 response from all of them

[marble hemlock]

was just the selfhealing procs and vigil

[royal lantern]

[craggy plank]

Hey old 4 set or 2/2?

[marble hemlock]

[drifting cloud]

sorry we have a strict no Celtics fan rule

[marble hemlock]

i miss our "no swedes/brits" rule

[runic hinge]

That’s tuff 🔥

[marble hemlock]

guild kinda went downhill when we accepted a brit-clique

[drifting cloud]

1/3 of our guild is now brits

it used to be like 2 people

but I think were on 0 swedes atm, might be 1

[runic hinge]

If I had more time I might change guilds to do some mythic raiding

My job hours suck and I like my guild rn tho

[royal lantern]

but ye, recruting can be total hell

legit 90% of applications we get are people that never even did heroic and want to jump into 2day Mythic for some reason

and if you look for people, its often the same lol, mfs that have not a single CE decline everything that is not WR300+

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna link my 99 cauldron of carnage normal parse and surely get into a hof guild

[haughty flicker]

You don’t get it they’re good enough to be in echo it’s just these shitter guilds who invite them

it shouldve been me gingi was complaining about getting pi not hopeful

[royal lantern]

ngl, and i dont say that as my ussual "tryan hates m+" thing

but bigtime m+ andys are the worst in that regard

[hollow river]

o.O

[royal lantern]

we had one once, recruited as DK during S1

and after 5 weeks goes "dk is bad in m+ now, i reroll into enh shaman"

and was confused and didnt understood at all why that was not OK

[dreamy rover]

Might be too much of a hassle to join a guild

[hollow river]

[dreamy rover]

you gotta make sure your guild lets you play the class/spec you want to

[humble verge]

you guys are EU right

[royal lantern]

you literally apply and get recruited as that, what do you mean lol

[hollow river]

usually if you want to reroll you just need to give ppl a heads up

sometimes it doesn't work out tho

[dreamy rover]

what if i want to reroll

[hollow river]

either you keep your main and alt your reroll

[royal lantern]

ofc if they look for a rogue, recruit you for a rogue and then you go "but i dont wanna play it now" its gonna be a confli t

[dreamy rover]

exactly what im saying, you gotta ask for permission

[hollow river]

or you just talk to them

[royal lantern]

you reroll at the end of the tier

[drifting cloud]

yeah no shit its a team game?

[royal lantern]

like, what the hell do you expect

they pumped gear into you

time was invested

the raid utility is needed

"i dont want it now"

[hollow river]

you're joining a team of 20-25+ other ppl

[lucid silo]

the most important thing i learned doing mythic raiding was how much i hate mythic raiding

[past oracle]

im reading temprered flask is better than alchemical flask - this is different from before - this true?

[royal lantern]

if you reroll classes, its at the end of a tier

[hollow river]

have to be mindful of them

[humble verge]

man, i got into a 3 kindof 4/8m guild just from showing off my CN logs, and now i somehow got CE

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[fleet pagoda]

when can we move on from this ring

[haughty flicker]

next tier

[lucid silo]

when they nerf it

[marble hemlock]

In like 6 months or so

[fleet pagoda]

i have to unequip it, activate my mastery flask, then re equip it or i lose out on 15% dmg from mastery drop :)))

[marble hemlock]

Or when they nerf it/make a new one

[drifting cloud]

yeah I mean thats fair but were a 2day hof guild nobody here cares what you did in legion and especially if you havent raided in literally 7 years

we have a few people that started playing wow during covid

[humble verge]

i dont think ill ever really have any trouble finding a new guild tbf, the only issue i have is i dont wanna leave a cushy guild where there are atleast decent set expectations

[lucid silo]

do you care what i did in SOD phase 1 tho @drifting cloud ?

[royal lantern]

me but with m+

[lucid silo]

🤔

[humble verge]

only issue is they banter about me pressuring into playing sub

[royal lantern]

tbf, rogue IS a class that has a kinda more easy time for mythic guilds, cus not that many are playing it

so they often cant be that picky

[humble verge]

yeah thats a whole different arena tho compared to what ive been into

[royal lantern]

paladin/hunter? yeha ofc, there are billions of them

[cyan dew]

/wa

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cyan dew]

ty

[lucid silo]

i might have liked mythic raiding if everyone put in the same amount of effort and we weren't wiping an extra 50+ times because 2-3 people were useless morons

[humble verge]

icl, i picked up rogue just out of curiosity in 2015, i never thought id be here lul

[rain sleet]

Is it okay to use piory with house of cards.

[humble verge]

i never played anothe class until like 2020-21 mid CN

[drifting cloud]

probably not, that sounds pretty bad

[spice surge]

What? You cant use two on-use trinkets at the same time

Or well you can equip them ye, but thats not great

[rain sleet]

What would be a good non on use trinket to pair it with

[neat flame]

Is there an easy reference table for the combined loot tables in M+ this season?

[humble verge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[west rose]

Hey guys! do i need to tab target rupture when out of invis?
i always see rogues beating me on damage on rupture only 😦 maybe i am doing something wrong

[umbral citrus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow river]

yeah you need to keep up a few ruptures

like 5 minimum iirc

[dreamy rover]

scent of blood caps at 5 ruptures

so i feel like its 5

[restive falcon]

myth track 678 house of cards is only 600dps gain over 678 signet

[waxen oyster]

the easiest is warlock

[restive falcon]

heroic is we r good

[waxen oyster]

If you’re a good warlock the world is your oyster

in terms of guilds

[balmy condor]

so it's not a dps gain?

margin of error is like +-1050 or something

[restive falcon]

seems not, was redoing all my droptomizers

and normal/heroic r dps loss and max mythic is only 680dps gain

[dapper cradle]

Imagine throwing away 680 dps

[keen spruce]

Niannas my king

[balmy condor]

imagine good bis trinkets being bis

that's crazy

[dreamy rover]

[restive falcon]

i wanna use the cards 😦

[dapper cradle]

Cards is based

[restive falcon]

fuck the signet

im tryna deal

[waxen oyster]

does signet sim with 4 people that have trinket

in your group

i mean both are trinkets you macro to dm and forget

[balmy condor]

no

0 people

[spice surge]

The amount of extra stats it gives is really pitiful

[royal lantern]

but tier list??

[spice surge]

Its less than a sockets worth of stats

[haughty flicker]

better than a gem

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

I’m having my RL put me in my own party in raid so I can have true to sim dps

[waxen oyster]

yeah its only like 200 per

and thats assuming all 4 pop their cds at the same time as you

[normal prairie]

Lads is the simming deepstate out to get me by telling me to ditch my Cyrce's at every given chance?

[spice surge]

Are you still using legendary skipper instead of windsinger

[runic hinge]

Do you have the right gems in it

[normal prairie]

[split veldt]

why is our 4pc so stupid

[normal prairie]

Yeah I checked wowhead before posting still the same 3, right?

[runic hinge]

Yes that’s right. If you have a ton of mastery on your gear it can want to replace it

[dreamy rover]

simming deepstate

[normal prairie]

I knew it thank ye kindly bois

[quasi ember]

Guys, how important is the average ilvl? does a difference of 10 ilvl give a significant gain?

[dreamy rover]

for sure

[balmy condor]

wtf is storm sewer

[dreamy rover]

stat prio starts with agility always

[sharp trellis]

hey guys, coming back in game since s1 , any special topics i should be aware of ? m+ oriented

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what that gem does

[normal prairie]

OH GOD ALL THIS TIME

[quasi ember]

Idk, how it important

[dreamy rover]

loooool hadnt seen that one

LMAO

[normal prairie]

I SKIMMED IT

[dreamy rover]

you want these @normal prairie

[normal prairie]

Sim Deep State dismantled, order restored

[dreamy rover]

Im being targeted by the log deep state

100%

no way my parses are all green

[fleet pagoda]

can anybody refresh my smooth brains; AP will boost caustic damage to adds but standard shiv doesn't right?

[spice surge]

yes

[fleet pagoda]

thank you ❤️

[soft niche]

does anyone know if the craft ring and refreaft it at max level bug still works ? to save crests

[hollow river]

Nope

Only thing that works now is the circlet shit which only helps you up to 658

[runic hinge]

Legit didn’t even look at the yellow gem since the pink one is the one that changed

[west crown]

worth to run tempest on bandit?

[pliant remnant]

Bro is racist against storms

Thinks they're all the same

[sage pagoda]

The class changes I was expecting didn't come, maybe not this week?

[spice surge]

[haughty flicker]

🔮

[clear oar]

in single target should we be staying above 50% energy when running sanguine blades?

[marble hemlock]

They'll need another week to figure out how to buff arcane and frost before they can send the class changes that would nerf fire.

[drifting cloud]

too real Seli ...

[balmy condor]

under

[brave comet]

in heroic gallywax, do i use my CDs on pull?

[fast mural]

yes

[viscid spear]

Clearly a typhoon is superior to a hurricane.

[brave comet]

so when the adds are spawning in a massive ring as the boss goes back to the center

i should focus the ads correct

[humble verge]

and when to buff brew and nerf ww?

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

not ranged specs, those will just get smashed to pieces cuz no one is gonna get upset about it

[warped sinew]

my sim is telling me to replace the circlet? i thought it was bestno matter what?

[unreal kayak]

could you link the sim ?

[warped sinew]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDS6vhacA33XgoqjVpAM6E

[unreal kayak]

yes it seems to be because you dont use fathomdwellers gem

[warped sinew]

oh shit i thought the undersea was thefathomdeweller XD

ty ty

[unreal kayak]

np

[cinder bone]

wow glowtorc simming less than my 626 Surekis

Guess I don't need to run that pain in the ass dungeon lol

[wraith burrow]

anyone have a WA for the junkmaster trinket?

[wraith burrow]

did for me until i confirmed my armory was updated

[cinder bone]

how do you confirm?

[wraith burrow]

log out, wait a min, use simc

one of those two options

[cinder bone]

oh i've been logged out for hours

all the gear looks current

I don't have much haste outside of neck maybe that's why

[snow kindle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[earnest flume]

i know this was posted in pins and vids that the 4 set lasts 10 seconds but the tooltip is still saying 4. which is wrong on live?

[brave comet]

i honestly just crafted a neck there because none of the dungeons drop a crit mast neck

[cinder bone]

im considering doing that next week

[runic hinge]

Tooltip on live is wrong

[earnest flume]

Thank you!

[dawn heath]

where do u find your raid renown?

[gray horizon]

#1 sin parse NA lets go

[balmy condor]

on what

[drifting cloud]

3mil so prob first boss mythic

[balmy condor]

I haven't killed that yet this week

cummin for that ass

[fallow canopy]

also on the raid journal there's like a little goblin on the bottom right corner

[gray horizon]

dont you dare

[rough lodge]

on junkyard, do y'all hold kb if you get selected for the second ball wave? or send it and get what you can?

if i send early, i only get to do about half my kb window. if i hold until after ball, my cd's are all now like 20/30s out of sync. not sure what the best approach is

[marble hemlock]

have you checked with the mind goblin?

[balmy condor]

you're probably safe, I don't have the rep for the 3% buff

so I'm probably screwed regardless unless I get insano rng

[gray horizon]

oh true 😦

that fight is so unfun

[drifting cloud]

I thought the rep had catchup

[gray horizon]

I just got 4p tonight i'm so stoked

[balmy condor]

idk man I was out of internet all week and I cleared heroic and I'm 200 off

[gray horizon]

4p + 3% buff = big dmg

[balmy condor]

idk what the hell it wants fro me

[gray horizon]

we had some people log out and back in and they got the stuff in the mail

You could give it a whirl

[drifting cloud]

is the 200 from the trash mobs or what lol

[gray horizon]

after the heroic clear

[drifting cloud]

yeah maybe you forgot to loot them

[severe sparrow]

im 100 off, lol

[balmy condor]

I'll check mail after

[restive falcon]

im back

back to back 99s on vexie and carnage

[haughty flicker]

[fallow canopy]

Guildies were saying that just relogging was enough for missed rep from the minibosses

[balmy condor]

I benched myself for loot on other people

[balmy condor]

TRYING

[balmy condor]

you fucking lying piece of shit

[fallow canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115585699027091556/1117939453105807520/togif.gif

[haughty flicker]

just loot the boss 4head

[gray horizon]

my parse lives to see another day

[marble hemlock]

inb4 he beats you without the buff

[gray horizon]

Onto senor stix

dude honestly he prob will

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

inb4 I beat him without the buff without even being in on the boss

that's how powerful I am

[marble hemlock]

just means you didnt lose to him

[gray horizon]

he's extremely powerful

[balmy condor]

I'm so powerful, gallywix tripped and his mech fell on him just from the pressure difference that my aura radiates

[fallow canopy]

true

[haughty flicker]

rip didnt even get 90 on vexie

im washed up

[broken tulip]

bis dagger or set item ?
I can get 4 set items without taking from vault

I'm really confused 😢

[balmy condor]

helmet is kind of a meh slot, do you already have a myth track dagger

[drifting cloud]

my whole m+ row is crit mastery items

[balmy condor]

[dapper cradle]

anyone else get absolutely BRICKED on richard reverb with all this draining pylon talk?

[balmy condor]

very cool

[broken tulip]

no i dont, i crafted the offhand and the other is veteran dagger

[coral ibex]

why craft an offhand?

put it in your mh

[broken tulip]

it is on my mainhand

just so you know which dagger i crafted

[balmy condor]

idk I'd probably just sim to make sure but instinct is probably dagger unless the helm is giga ilvl and you aren't getting myth from raid or something

[broken tulip]

yeah i thought the same, will sim it

[drifting cloud]

theres only 1 leather helm in raid and its from gally aswell

[fallow canopy]

Just kill gally simple as that

[balmy condor]

50 pull boss

whats the issue

[bronze plover]

morning

https://ibb.co/0p2gynkZ

eye of kezan is there but sims tell me to pick chest piece 🙂 what should i choose ?

[balmy condor]

kezan's only really good for the end of fight damage once it's ramped

so like longer mythic fights

bandit/mug'zee etc

so if that's what you care for

probably that

and then have loot council get you a myth chest

[bronze plover]

I was thinking i would take mythic pieces from later vaults but the council will not give me kezan 🙂

[drifting cloud]

yeah about that

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

sprocket and gally

[balmy condor]

yeh

more likely to get a chest off sprocket than you are to get the 12th kezan

[drifting cloud]

isnt kazan kinda meh for rogue anyways, unless its some outlaw juice

[broken tulip]

Im taking the helm, trust the sims xD

[balmy condor]

I mean it's big execute dam

5min sims on kezan are kinda whack

[drifting cloud]

what is that sim lol, do you have 3p equipped and no old 2p

[broken tulip]

i have 1p equipped

[drifting cloud]

so you have 3 cata charges then?

[broken tulip]

yes

[balmy condor]

💀

[drifting cloud]

we just outhere playing -100k dps down for fun

[pliant remnant]

Trust the sims, but like...use the cata charges in your sim.

[balmy condor]

gonna bank the 4th charge too

[pliant remnant]

[broken tulip]

I was not aware i could that lol

[lethal arrow]

dropped my dumbass mark on a swap

hate my life

[upper wraith]

im getting my ass ate by ww monks and shamans in the guild on the dps meter

[lethal arrow]

and im getting my ass ate by a feral druid

our spec sucks

[dapper cradle]

basically a 0 parse

always next week king

[lethal arrow]

might as well be

got lost in the sauce cuz we had like 4 dead at like 15%

[prisma shadow]

On cauldron is there some tech to get my death mark on the other guy once they go in the middle

[golden loom]

Well the intermission is 20 seconds so you have some time to still hit your old target, just gotta be mindful of your mark stacks so you dont slam darkest night on the old one as they go back

[prisma shadow]

Ah yeah good point

ty!

[strange python]

Could anyone look over my logs and give some advice?

[lofty junco]

any idea why we are not getting a world soul weekly anymore?

[dapper cradle]

if ur asking about your spark quest

it's the delve weekly

it rotates

[lofty junco]

cause previously we had one where we could choice between 4 activities every week. so conufsed why now not anymore

[drifting cloud]

its like before, its not up every week

think its up for 2 weeks, then its delves for 2

[lofty junco]

kk. maybe cause i joined tww late it was a catchup or something that it was every week for me

[drifting cloud]

I think if you dont complete them they stay in your quest log

even tho if you then abandoned it you couldnt retake it

but its a half spark week anyways, so no rush

[dapper halo]

well ofcourse the eye of kezan had to be from normal raid

butits better than nothing

[tawny geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tEZcXBXMGL4N6rurr2BrFb
Hmm, should I go for this Signet or stick with HoC and get Legs/Shoulders for my 4p

[balmy condor]

that's auto-take signet

you never pass on signet

[drifting cloud]

yeah what if I get prio on mythic house that im killing this week

what then whispyr!

[balmy condor]

yeah you get mythic house of cards over the 7 windwalkers surely

to be fair

I am 5th!

[drifting cloud]

my eyes

[runic hinge]

I would never abandon you

[pliant remnant]

balance

[cinder bone]

just timed an 11 priory thanks to the buff

[pliant remnant]

Straight to the gulag if you give that to a boomie

[drifting cloud]

why is omni a druid

[balmy condor]

cause he's strange

[dapper halo]

im still very afraid of the tuning hotfixes o.o;

[balmy condor]

he's a druid until stix dies

and then he's not anymore

idfk

[drifting cloud]

wait you were 3 healing stix

why lol

thats like 4 nerfs ago comp

[balmy condor]

I wasn't internet man

don't ask me

I'm just in charge of loot

[drifting cloud]

wait comcast was that bad you couldnt raid or what

[dapper halo]

poor whispy being held down by his countrys bad internet

[balmy condor]

I raided tuesday, then had an outage wednesday morning that didn't lift until friday morning, so I missed wed and thurs

then on monday I had 3k ping and couldn't play

[drifting cloud]

1st world country btw

[balmy condor]

so I missed wed/thurs/monday

[dapper halo]

i was about to do a third reference there but, it would be too mean

[drifting cloud]

is mobile tethering just not an option or

like I raided on camp wifi from on an island back in TBC

surely we can get better shit in 2025

[balmy condor]

data cap on mobile tether

[dapper halo]

is there an alternate internet source that doesnt finance real life version of lex luthor, are there any actual alternates

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting cloud]

whats the cap, if youre not on voice wow prob straight up uses

[dapper halo]

in europe there is

[drifting cloud]

like 200mb / h

if even

[dapper halo]

we dont know the word "data cap" here in finland

[balmy condor]

cap of 500

[drifting cloud]

ouch

[dapper halo]

there actually isnt one

cause eu is cool like that

[toxic whale]

guys do i just take m signet from vault and switch to assa?

[dapper halo]

yes to signet

also assa is more stable genius

[toxic whale]

stable as in..?

[keen breach]

I need help, idk how to do more dps

[worn badger]

play shaman

[coral ibex]

that's my line dude

[worn badger]

dont be so slow, oh wait we play sin =/

for real though denay this is the place to ask but they gonna need data, its like crack to them

[dapper halo]

assa is just more stable dps

[keen breach]

https://raider.io/characters/us/quelthalas/Denay

Im domingo like 2.9 un m+ aprox, but i saw a other rogué, hi did 3.5 m

His firts damage was crimson tempest

[tight sparrow]

How bad is it if you get your stats into the point that you get lost value out of it? When i use my Signet i lose 2k rating on mastery? Is that a lot?

[haughty flicker]

if the robot tells you its good then its good

we dont go out of our way to avoid dr

[tight sparrow]

Dont know how to ask the robot that Question 😄

[haughty flicker]

can probably find a video about simming yourself pretty easily

its not complicated at all

[wise goblet]

does sudden demise work on the zal affix this week?

[tight sparrow]

No i know simming, and it ofcourse is better then my previous Trinket

[haughty flicker]

well thats the robot

if the sim says its good then trust the sim

[haughty flicker]

i dont think so since its a shield

could easily be wrong though

[wise goblet]

it didn't seem like it was

thats a good point though it basically spawns at 1%

[lavish geyser]

does aassa and sub have the same loot pool?

or will it prio different stats?

[keen spruce]

same

[tawny geyser]

Crit increases Ambush procs in ST?

[golden loom]

No? Blindside is just a random proc chance, only gets more common when enemy is in execute range

[tawny geyser]

Ah yeah you’re right. Was thinking when I take Signet I’ll get more Ambushes😂 would be nice tho

[balmy condor]

if your signet gives you crit you gotta fix that

at least over time

cause uh

crit signet sucks

[subtle tundra]

ok i will

[prisma coral]

saw your name whispyr just now as I was having that conversation. like, is it just me, or has the leveling of tuning in general for now been kinda light?

not to summon a monster

[balmy condor]

correct

no nerfs to ww and shit yet is weird

[drifting cloud]

because theyre bozos and we had no hc week

[prisma coral]

like bliz usually has a wayyyy heavier hand

even when things are CLOSE

[drifting cloud]

should be next reset

[subtle tundra]

ayo let me finish prog. 2 more weeks

[balmy condor]

idk, they're not that heavy handed

people just always cry about shit that ends up being not that serious

[prisma coral]

fair

its always the sky is falling

[balmy condor]

but yeh the fact that we haven't seen anything is a weird one

[prisma coral]

just weird to see so little

[runic hinge]

game is perfectly balanced

[golden loom]

Atleast they tuned mythic + into a fun spot

[subtle tundra]

they are making all content a joke

[prisma coral]

additionally i feel like my head might explode reading some of these 4pc set bonuses, like its bearly english

[subtle tundra]

nerfing m+ so theres no difficulty

[brazen fern]

Priory (M) > House of Card in 11.1.5? Should i just wait or pick this one.. currently have house of cards Hero track

[prisma coral]

like knowing wow it makes sense

[subtle tundra]

nerfing mythic raid over and over and over

[prisma coral]

but woah

[subtle tundra]

priory bis

[golden loom]

God forbid m+ is enjoyable

[lethal arrow]

if u take priory

[drifting cloud]

I mean varas likes to exaggerate but hes not wrong

last season start 10s were too hard

[lethal arrow]

u can use the dinars later on kezan+jastor

[drifting cloud]

now theyre too easy tbh

[golden loom]

Isnt the whole point that if you want it to be difficult just go higher

[prisma coral]

M+ has been fun IMO but i dont think there is a dungeon is really like

[runic hinge]

i mean it's infinitely scaling?

[drifting cloud]

like they got triple nerfed basically

scaling on ptr, and then all the stuff on live

[balmy condor]

m+ is kinda banger atm idk

[golden loom]

Having weekly keys be fun is probably the best thing that could ever happen for the minigame

[balmy condor]

honestly who cares if 10's are easy

[lethal arrow]

thats kind of the point anyways

[balmy condor]

all the m+ pushers will be doing like 37's anyway

[prisma coral]

agreed its been pretty fun for sure

[lethal arrow]

who tf wants to suffer 8 keys on week 10

[balmy condor]

what's the point

[lethal arrow]

bang em out, fill your vault, move on

unless ur pushing for title

[runic hinge]

if you're not suffering its too easy

boomer mentality

[subtle tundra]

[spice sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

guess im an elitist or smth

ok you can have your m+ 10s be easy

but can they stop nerfing every mythic boss

[balmy condor]

I mean is there a reason for 10's to be hard

idk

[drifting cloud]

they should atleast not be a walkover

[balmy condor]

I'd much rather the current slower scaling

[lethal arrow]

10s being hard benefits no one

[drifting cloud]

not saying hard

[subtle tundra]

we prog rik -> nerfed into irrelevancy
stix -> 3 nerfs, and more
sprocket -> nerfed into irrelevancy(like a 50 pull boss probably)
by the time we get to mugzee it will get nerfed

[balmy condor]

like season 1 you do a 10 and it's fine and you do a 12 and get fucking obliterated out of nowhere

[drifting cloud]

like you can time most 10s with nobody doing over 2mil overall

[golden loom]

Whats wrong with that

[subtle tundra]

there should be a skill requirement to get the best gear...

idk

dont shit on me

not a big one

but there should be one

[lethal arrow]

well thats why raid exists

[golden loom]

You can be the most skilled player in the world and still roll shit items in vault

So who cares

[subtle tundra]

atleast make them have some difficulty week 1, literally

[lethal arrow]

they were

[subtle tundra]

first week let them be hard

[lethal arrow]

and they were too hard

[subtle tundra]

no they werent bud

[lethal arrow]

so they got nerfed so people could enjoy themselves

and not have to sweat turbo hard for a +6

[flint siren]

There is. (A skill requirement)
10s may be easy for you.
They aren't for everyone and not everyone will even get to them to begin with either.
If now more people can do so, I think that is nice! Even more so coupled with the added rewards for going beyond just going up to 10s for gear / tangible rewards.

[golden loom]

The average player was not doing 10s week one

[runic hinge]

varas you are a title level player, your perspective is skewed

[prisma coral]

finding people a little above or below your current skill level to overcome encounters with should be the goal

its the real fun in the game

[subtle tundra]

but why does every pisser need to do 10s

first week then...

[lethal arrow]

because they need gear?

for raid?

[runic hinge]

bro i doubt more than 10% of players did a 10 week 1 lol

[drifting cloud]

I dunno like I said I 50% agree with him and my highest key done this xpac is a 10

like yeah nobody wants early s1 grim batol bullshit

[golden loom]

10% is a huge overestimate even

[drifting cloud]

but a 10 darkcleft right now is silly

[subtle tundra]

you could die 15 times in the first week and time 10s easily

you just had to press your basic fucking rotations

but people cant

and if they cant

they shouldnt be able to do 10s first week

[golden loom]

Most people did not even get into a 10 week 1

[runic hinge]

And they probably didn’t. I think you overestimate the wow population who got a 10 done

[golden loom]

Yeah idk

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you that i pugged 10s

first week

and those people dont have hands

or keyboards

[golden loom]

You also had 5k raiting from last season

[subtle tundra]

or a monitor probably

[drifting cloud]

I dunno man, its end of week2 and my 10 floodgate is rank 50k world

[tight sparrow]

Thats straight up not true though

[subtle tundra]

it is though

[runic hinge]

i dont know what that means

[subtle tundra]

cause i did 10s first week

[prisma coral]

as did I and some did and some didnt and that's fair. At least they TRIED to do something seemingly difficult

[subtle tundra]

and ive been in that situation

[tight sparrow]

You try to tell me you wipe 3 times on a boss after get it to 50 % you still time the key?

[drifting cloud]

it means there been 50k floogates done faster than mine in 14 days

[tight sparrow]

Dont even think people who do mdi could do that with week 1 gear

[subtle tundra]

huh???

[subtle tundra]

youre underestimating their skill

[royal lantern]

they dont wipe 3x in a +10, wtf are you talking about lol

[subtle tundra]

i didnt say that i said 15 deaths

15 deaths happen randomly

1 boss wipe, chain dying in pulls

[lethal arrow]

15 deaths in a priory 10 would not let u time that key week 1

[runic hinge]

maybe ur jsut slow

[flint siren]

I personally don't know anyone who does.
But I'm not in a mythic raiding guild either.
Which is also already a smaller subset of the player base, due to various factors.
Like, sure, some mid season CE players can maybe do 10s a week or two earlier.
Cool?
That doesn't diminish your gear's value or ability to still play at a higher level than they will, idk.
I just don't see the issue, not to mention for everyone who can do 10s but not mythic raid. There is 0 catch-up for getting mythic pieces there, so you kinda are incentivized to get to 10s asap to have a chance at them in your vault etc..
If only bc.. it's fun to get big gear, no matter your play and skill level.

[lethal arrow]

if it was like cleft maybe

[drifting cloud]

well its timed by 1min since its before the scaling nerf, which I guess was only 12 days ago 😛

[lethal arrow]

but also who cares when other ppl get gear

get your gear to do the content youre doing

[subtle tundra]

you could xd

ok 8 deaths... but that was before the 10% nerf

[runic hinge]

and everyone in that key is a monitor off shitter right?

[lethal arrow]

ah so literally half the amount of projected deaths

that you claimed

[subtle tundra]

it was our first/2nd time in the key

i dont think we should time it

[runic hinge]

you're hof title player and you shouldnt time keys?

ok

[lethal arrow]

(fails to mention this was a guild group btw)

[drifting cloud]

I mean thats his whole point tho, its 645 ilvl which is lfr ilvl now, before 5 nerfs to the dungeon, yeah ok ofc its done by good players

[lethal arrow]

and that all palyers in his 8 death priory 10

are in vc

in the same guild

smh anyone can time a 10 priory week 1 with 8 deaths

[subtle tundra]

its a 10 in first week with no gear with 8 deaths before the nerfs with almost no prior experience or no prior experience

[golden loom]

646 ilvl day 1 is also not the average player

[subtle tundra]

so idk buddy

we shouldnt have timed it

[runic hinge]

you timing it is bad for the game?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[dim tide]

hi, is there any WA that track our set bonuses?

[lethal arrow]

this has got to be advanced elitism

[flint siren]

Number of deaths kinda lacks context also...
You can get 8 deaths by people dying to stuff at the end of a pull vs a full wipe with lust and 3 more when people just popped CDs on a boss etc.
Which will impact your timer wildly differently
It feels tricky to pin down an absolute value for what number of deaths in a vacuum is "good" or "bad" to still time smth

[tight sparrow]

nah thats just insanity

[subtle tundra]

imagine how easy the keys will be with 20 more ilvls than now

[drifting cloud]

I mean fact is in 7 years or how long the fuck weve had m+ this is without a doubt the easiest a max vault key has been start of a patch

[lethal arrow]

and theres nothing wrong with that

[tight sparrow]

Great then do a + 20

but why make it impossible for others to ever clear a 10

[lethal arrow]

like a 10 can still be hard for someone at 675 whos not very good at the game

[subtle tundra]

nope there is no reason to

[subtle tundra]

who said impossible

but make droolers struggle

[runic hinge]

back in my day we walked up hill both days in the snow for mythic gear!

[subtle tundra]

maybe

[flint siren]

So.. people then just push higher? Which is nice to incentivize since many just stop at where the gear stops, esp. with things where as difficult in general as last season e.g.

[tight sparrow]

who decides who is a drooler?

[slow tulip]

bruv even now its only 10%

[tight sparrow]

mayke you are just a giga sweat

[subtle tundra]

i am a giga sweat

[tight sparrow]

and should do harder content

[subtle tundra]

not maybe

[slow tulip]

you underestimate how bad ppl are at games in general

[drifting cloud]

why do you say like thats a bad thing lol, they shouldnt be free loot, just dont make them too obnoxious

[slow tulip]

no need to make it harder

xdd

[tight sparrow]

yeah then do harder content and leave other peoples experince alone XD

[subtle tundra]

the first week 10s should be like the hardest content

[runic hinge]

anyone worse than varas is a drooler and anyone better is a sweaty nerd

[lethal arrow]

its not

lol

[tight sparrow]

dumb take

[lethal arrow]

someone who isnt good at the game should still able to experience content

[slow tulip]

and it still was

[royal lantern]

i mean, i have to agree with Varas in 1 point bigtime

it is kinda fucked up that people only seem too "like m+" everytime its easy to get their mythic lvl gear ASAP, if they cant pug +10 keys week "its overtuned and bad and they HATE fun!!!!" every sibgle time

[tight sparrow]

in an infintie sclaing content

[royal lantern]

what

its week1

[drifting cloud]

you were crying about secondary drs an hour ago, pipe down

[royal lantern]

it gives mythic lvl gear

week1 +10 keys should be absolutely hard lol

[slow tulip]

and it was

[tight sparrow]

Yeah and? If you think its too easy they made m+ get to as high as you want

[slow tulip]

havent you seen RIO week 1

[subtle tundra]

it was way easier than it has been in a LOOOOOOOOOONG while

[tight sparrow]

you even get a cool mount

[prisma coral]

Loot is irrelavant. Getting what players there are outside of their comfort zone to engage with "harder" content that is fun makes everyones experience better

[tight sparrow]

why make other people experince misreable so you can feel better about yourself

just do harder content

its right there, just push your key

[subtle tundra]

then people complain that they are full geared and theres no incentive to do hard content

[royal lantern]

you are literally running around in week1 wirg gear that is 20ilvl under the "recommended" stuff

meanwhile this season we could do +10 keys with rat alts in week1, and my guild is neither high top level raiders or m+ pushers, most hate m+ lol

[runic hinge]

I did a 20 in df s3 and i did not do a 10 in this season so this season must be hardeer

[subtle tundra]

max mythic gear is 678, we were 30 ilvls lower bud

than we will be

[royal lantern]

if our ret paladin that never really healed can go offspec healer and we time the key week1, its kinda fucked

and holy paladin is a bad healer atm aswell btw

[runic hinge]

mythic raiders are 1%'ers in the game your perspective is warped lol

[flint siren]

I have seen that, but at a level that doesn't do 10s week 1, or month 1. Where 10s are kinda the aspirational goal for the season.
And if shit is more difficult, like in s1 (coupled with the more top heavy and restrictive rewards structure there), then people defos had a lot less fun and will to do m+ or play much beyond raid logging eventually.

It's not like this would only, purely affect how many people can do 10s at the start of a season.

[drifting cloud]

please dont use made up stats

[lethal arrow]

i meannnn

[slow tulip]

some ppl cant read stats, at the end of the first week only 1% of the ppl timed all 10s and now is 10%... it already hard enough for ppl

[golden loom]

Yeah its way lower than 1%

[lethal arrow]

depends on the tier of myhtic

lol

like 4/8M probably isnt 1%

but CE probably is

[runic hinge]

okay CE is 1%

my b

[lethal arrow]

CE might be less but you get the point

[drifting cloud]

yeah 1% of total population, now what % of that same population do you think never even does an m+ key

[subtle tundra]

bruh they are doing 16s 2nd week 😭
imagine when they get 20 more ilvls, the corruptions from the horrific vision patch, the eventual more dungeon nerfs cause blizz
and they play meta and they find out strats
they'll be doing 24s

[drifting cloud]

because thats also a very big number

[subtle tundra]

thank god i wont push

[lavish geyser]

is flickering glowtorc only BIS if you have all the loot shown on the wowhead page? Cause I just simmed it, and I just lost hella dmg compared to a crafted neck

[prisma coral]

yeah depends on you

[slow tulip]

more than 50%

[lethal arrow]

think glowtorc is just the BIS dungeon piece you can get

not factoring raid/crafted

[tight sparrow]

Whats the Problem with them doing 24? If they enjoy that content good for them

[lavish geyser]

okay that makes sense Ig. Cause I dont get how vers is something that is preferred

It was overall actuaqlly

[lethal arrow]

yeah that BIS list is assuming you only do dungeons and nothing else

[subtle tundra]

my complaint is not related to the discussion from earlier

[lavish geyser]

and raid

and craft

[prisma coral]

necks are kinda seeming like a weird spot

[tawny geyser]

What should I do instead?
Crit is at 22%
Gear isn’t optimized atm, but will be in due time.

[drifting cloud]

@runic hinge and CE is at 1.8% so only a factor of 10, and 2.5k isnt even all 10s

[balmy condor]

well if it's giving you crit, then you have more crit than mast

so you gotta get more mast than crit

[lethal arrow]

hmm maybe it is really good

idk

i havent seen a single fking neck from a dungeon

[runic hinge]

i mean

that's making my point

[tawny geyser]

Wait nvm, im dumb. Agility is first highest and mastery is 2nd…

[drifting cloud]

no with your point the difference should be way bigger imo

[prisma coral]

it's also quite good if you play multiple rogue specs

[runic hinge]

when you only play with good players and you are a good player your expectations of what is hard is different than the main playerbase

[lethal arrow]

gotta get more mastery gear

[tawny geyser]

Mastery is at 66%

[runic hinge]

should they only tune m+ for the people who do MDI and TGP?

[tawny geyser]

No no I have, its just that im dumb and forgot about agility😂

[lethal arrow]

oh lmao

[balmy condor]

fuck the %

whats the number

[drifting cloud]

bro why are you so bent if someone says they might be too easy that that clearly means they should be MDI difficulty

[lethal arrow]

66% is like 25k right or something

[drifting cloud]

theres like a whole ocean of balance inbetween

[balmy condor]

why would I know that

[lethal arrow]

idk im making shit up

it goes hard

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[lethal arrow]

nvmd its like 22k

[tawny geyser]

Cant say now, not home. On phone, but yeah I think its around 20k

[lethal arrow]

off by a bit

[subtle tundra]

put a hand on my cheek and slap me @balmy condor

[lavish geyser]

we dont get a craft this week, right?

[lethal arrow]

we did

[prisma coral]

I don't envy bliz having to balence a game for so many different levels of expectations

[lethal arrow]

well we were supposed to but twe got it last week cuz ppl "exploited"

[balmy condor]

which of the 4 cheeks

[drifting cloud]

why is exploited in quotation marks, it was an exploit, you were just able to do it by accident which is why they prob gave the spark out

[lethal arrow]

well some ppl just did it by accident

[tawny geyser]

Also Whispyr quick question while you’re here. Do we want to FoK 6->7 CP to get Mark for energy efficiency?

[drifting cloud]

and atleast that desync because having spark and cata on same week was kinda weird anyways

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lavish geyser]

yeah, so nothing this week, right?

[slow tulip]

only cata ye

[lethal arrow]

maybe a half spark?

idk

[slow tulip]

only cata

[prisma coral]

i got a half spark this week are you sure?

i have 2 crafted as well

[slow tulip]

its the meta Q spark

[lethal arrow]

yeah i think we get a halfie rn

[slow tulip]

you get it every week

the other spark is bi weekly

[lethal arrow]

or nothing

[runic hinge]

there is an ocean of balance in between! but idk why saying things need to be restrictive hard is the way either. Also when you play at the top level the perspective that everything is "too easy" is very proliferative

[subtle tundra]

whichever is softer
spoilers: right butt cheek

[lethal arrow]

its all fked since some ppl are ahead

[subtle tundra]

i can be very bad at the game sometimes

[runic hinge]

less than 1% of people got a 10 done week 1 and we've got you guys acting like it was easy as hell and everyone did it

[balmy condor]

I'm warmin it up

[drifting cloud]

source or

[runic hinge]

I'm bad at the game ever time i logged in

[drifting cloud]

thats score, pointless

[runic hinge]

wheres your source it was easy as hell and everyone did it?

[drifting cloud]

I didnt have a score in 2 dungeons week1

I was 1.9 with 8 10s done

[slow tulip]

well considering its 10% this week

you can guess the range

1 to 9%

but closer to 1

xd

[drifting cloud]

yes but it would be better to compare it lower score cutoffs because most people dont do 20+ keys even week1

[slow tulip]

most ppl dont do keys full stop

[drifting cloud]

I mean thats obviously a fucking moot point

[winged sun]

Didn’t know u played wow

[drifting cloud]

the people that dont zone into atleast a +2 are irrelevant to this convo

[slow tulip]

point is its already hard week 1 for almost 99% of the ppl

[drifting cloud]

as are the pet battlers

and pvpers

[slow tulip]

if you are the 1% - nice

but dont act like its easy for the majority

[winged sun]

Hows spoderman

?

[subtle tundra]

im hard week 1 for 99% of the time

[slow tulip]

100% here

[runic hinge]

most believable thing you've said all night

[winged sun]

I’m hard all the time

Wait

[balmy condor]

proof or.....

the top 1% of varas penis is keeping 99% of the flaccidity

[subtle tundra]

proof by touching 😉

[slow tulip]

DM me proof btw

:^)

[slow tulip]

shhh 🙂

[runic hinge]

cheating on tom?

[drifting cloud]

@runic hinge some other random numbers, mythic rashanan is at 8.5%, ovinax is at 3.8%, clearing an 11 delve without deaths is at 5.7%

[slow tulip]

[drifting cloud]

so half the people that had 2.5k score also did atleast first 4 mythic either guild or with a pug last season because of the raid balance

[runic hinge]

how many people got duelist

[winged sun]

(Its a dog)

[drifting cloud]

does it have a season specific achievement? im not sure I can check otherwise

atleast I dont see it here

[prisma coral]

bliz kinda normalized the idea of group content without coordination or connection with LFR and its created weird expectations. but i guess who cares if people are having fun.

[runic hinge]

is in FoS

[drifting cloud]

oh hmm my filter is wrong then, let me see

[subtle tundra]

bro who is doing delve content

what the fuck

[warm lantern]

i dont want this kinda luck

[winged sun]

@slow tulip I need a follow back on insta

Big fan

[balmy condor]

I'll take it

[lethal arrow]

signet there for sure

[warm lantern]

yeah, i went entire last season without seeing a skardyns

[lethal arrow]

thank god for the cartel chips

cuz you could go another season without seeing signet either

[subtle tundra]

huh?

[balmy condor]

the cartel chips

[subtle tundra]

whats blud on about

dont tell him

[balmy condor]

the very real things that blizzard will definitely add

[lethal arrow]

they're coming for sure

[slow tulip]

those cartel coins are coming when? in a month or

[lethal arrow]

[wooden perch]

Guys do we get catalyst charge this week?

[balmy condor]

yes

[drifting cloud]

1.4%, less than CE

[warm lantern]

mby around .1.5 uuuuh

[lethal arrow]

roughly late april to may

[balmy condor]

yeah

surely

[slow tulip]

april 1st

🙂

[lethal arrow]

[prisma coral]

speaking of chips and dumb questions i just thought of one. On 1 armed do you want to be close to the chip going out or coming back?

its out right?

[runic hinge]

I'm more rare than a CE raider cause i got it on 2 characters

[lethal arrow]

both

as long as ur near the chip as its rolling u get the buff

[drifting cloud]

clearly duelist is harder than CE, stats wouldnt lie to us!

[lethal arrow]

and when i say near, i mean in its hitbox

[runic hinge]

REAL and TRUE

[prisma coral]

I meant to look tonight mid pull on heroic and didnt

[slow tulip]

im harder than both tbh

[prisma coral]

does it refresh if you are close on the way back?

[lethal arrow]

yeh

functions exactly the same as when it shoots out

you just have to guess the line a bit since itll be invisible

[prisma coral]

out of curiousity do you know the duration

i cant imagine its that long

[lethal arrow]

like 15 seconds or something

[prisma coral]

oh shit

dope thanks

[drifting cloud]

yeah it can have pretty good uptime but some people just dont even bother sending the coins back just send them into the wall instead atleast on lower difficulties

and like crash said if its sent from the other side of the room you wont see the line from so far away

[prisma coral]

for sure, it was one of those things that I was making a point to do but not reserving a ton of head space to think a lot about

[subtle tundra]

ill have to do it on mythical i hate it so much

[drifting cloud]

yeah kinda have to do it on mythic

until blizz nerfs bandit next week

[subtle tundra]

except we kill bandit this week

meow...

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[prisma coral]

didnt watch the mythic fight yet, did the symbols get more complexity?

like the inputs

[lethal arrow]

no you have to roll the coin over the adds tho

or else they cant be killed

[prisma coral]

okay cool wouldnt have guess that figured it was gonna be something more obtuse

[lethal arrow]

maybe there is, thats the only mechanic i skimmed from the journal

[prisma coral]

I have really been enjoying this tier, i really like kinda careful coordinated positioning encounters

[subtle tundra]

bruh sprocketmonger got nerfed by 13% on hp 😭

i cant man

there literally wont be a last phase

[drifting cloud]

my 2mins ...

its gonna die under 6

or around there

nerf sub

oh thers NA kills already, 5:40

[prisma coral]

bosses are always gonna get nerfed is what it is, the worst ones for me have always been the ones you were deep in prog on and almost there.

feels bad

[runic hinge]

thats my secret

im always almost there

[prisma coral]

fair!

[lofty junco]

do we have fights ion the new raid where sub or outlaw would be favored compared to sin?

[dawn seal]

I think fights are so fun and good for assasination

[lethal arrow]

Except gallywix, but that's more of an all rogue problem

Really need them to fix shadowstep

[subtle tundra]

well boss has an insane huge hitbox and shadowstep is bad on the hitbox

nothing to fix

[runic hinge]

@drifting cloud you know what is too easy? doing delves for guilded crests

[drifting cloud]

stop baiting me

[runic hinge]

[drifting cloud]

+11 delves are prob harder than a 7

[runic hinge]

I had a 675 dagger and my highest key was a 6

reset day week 2

[drifting cloud]

how, isnt it only 21

per week

[runic hinge]

map on a bounntiful 11 gives you 10 more

31 a week

[drifting cloud]

I see

[subtle tundra]

meow

[junior burrow]

what do we think on trinkets guys? I just got eye of kezan in vault and i have currently equipped signet of the priory and mechano core amplifier

[red schooner]

All three are good, what Sims best for you?

Also do.yoi play more raid or m+?

[runic hinge]

they are easier cause i dont have to pray my tank knows how to press their buttons and not just drop dead from 1 pack

[red schooner]

Apparently kezan ain't the best in m+

[junior burrow]

best sim by far was the priory with mechano

M+ mostly

[red schooner]

Ye I'd possibly avoid kezan then probably

[junior burrow]

thanks!

[drifting cloud]

[runic hinge]

I got a myth dagger in my vault from my 1 10 I did last week

[red schooner]

I shall open my vault when I'm home from work, because if I opened it before my day would have been ruined

I pray it can't be worse than last week

[runic hinge]

the putter

[red schooner]

I took mechanocore

[fierce sigil]

God... Set Pieces on 652+ are still simming lower than my old Mythic Set 😄 Thats sooo sad 😄

[red schooner]

Yeah, 4 set doesn't pull ahead of 2+2 until 662 ilvl or something daft. I've resigned myself to wearing my 639s for the foreseeable

[fierce sigil]

hmmmm thats sooo sad and bad design... crazy 😄

but in the end my vault doesnt offer me better options than 4 Set..... im sooo sad

[junior burrow]

in my vault today i got myth boots

atleast last week it gave me a set

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-season-2-dps-rankings-mythic-liberation-of-undermine-week-2-375976?utm_source=discord-webhook

Smart, do big damage early on, vanish to drop aggro away from the balancing team.

[amber brook]

wasnt sub an omega blaster?

[golden loom]

HOLY OUTLAW WTF??? BROKEN

[red schooner]

The fools, wandering up the ranks in order to be slapped down by a mid-patch nerf

[runic hinge]

Outlaw is the most broken rogue spec everyone reroll quick!!

[storm forum]

I guess it's agi sword crafting time

[hot pasture]

going outlaw peepoclown

[royal lantern]

not reay

rogue in raid is kinda good, but nothing exceptional

[amber brook]

atleast the first weeks i suppose

[royal lantern]

peoplen just, once again for the 50th time, see week1/2 where nobody has gear and went weird

[amber brook]

fair enough

[lethal arrow]

Outlaw time omg

Time to reroll!

[lofty junco]

somehow m+ feels much easier with sub then with sin. while raiding feels better with sin....didn't get a 1h yet to try out outlaw yet

[rotund oak]

its completely normal,sin has many stuff to track/uptime while sub just blasts

dont play outlaw,it doesnt worth it

well u can try,cant rly say what u should do but ye

it sucks

[prisma coral]

i think there is a lot of nuance there though

I play sub and sin 2 bosses into mythic

and I had some bosses on sub

and love some on it

*hate

[lofty junco]

its more that in m+ the small bursts from sub feel much better especialy in big pulls, cause sin takes some time to go online

and in bossifhgts if they alst too long I'm jsut out of anything on sin. and pooling for like 20 seconds feels rly bad

[prisma coral]

kinda same in M+

a lot of that is the encounter and the group

[rotund oak]

Sin bossing is fairly weak compared to other specs yeah,sub is

several lightyears ahead

in that section

[lofty junco]

yeah like we were on stix HC on sunday and i had much better time with sin, cause cleaving the adds felt much better there with sin then sub

[prisma coral]

I also will never dismiss someones comittment to a spec and comfort level for most levels of play

[lofty junco]

killed rik with sub....and somehow it felt horrible

i will try sub on full ST bosses like lockenstock and see if it feels better there

regarding this if i play sub and sin, what stats should i put on the neck and dagger then?

for sub its vers/mast and crit/mastery for sin. so should i just craft both with full mastery?

[prisma coral]

you can probably get away with doing either and not needing to worry about it

[cunning scaffold]

some crit/mastery gear is fine for sub

[prisma coral]

its such a marginal difference at the end of the day dont worry about it

if anything worry about knowing the encounters inside and out so your can then learn how to juice them

[slate nest]

Guys is Kazan playable in M+?

[subtle tundra]

no

[rotund oak]

if u do only m+ its safe to just craft vers/mast even for sin

sin doesnt rly care for stats anyway

[prisma coral]

i guess the next question is like lens vs ascendance

and again thats not gonna make or break you

I think fuu and whysper do a great job of talking about that on their wowhead stuff

[rotund oak]

its pretty clear in the guides ye

sub is playing lens sin is ascension+writhing(the double thingy)

[prisma coral]

its kinda wild how far we have come with clear concise info compared to back in the day

like things like raidbots didnt really become mainstream until what bfa?

(when we honestly needed it the most since fucking everything was 100 random procs)

[lofty junco]

yeah will probably jsut craft the boots with writhing

since the dagger already has ascension

[prisma coral]

have fun!