the only memorable one was throwing the noggenfogger potions on people
#assassination
vale shore
haughty flicker
the main quest this patch is meh, theres some really good side quests though
vale shore
hopefully this 4 set situation gets fixed. Maybe have it fill your bar with combo points that dont fall off for the 4 seconds so you just get 3 or 4 big envenoms in for your Jackpot
fallow estuary
Now this is class fantasy - BLEEEEEEEDS
vale shore
just gotta keep uptime and cleave some spatter onto the barrels
or from the barrels onto rik
gray horizon
Problem is the barrels spawn in the legit worst spots most of the time lol
vale shore
there is usually 2 at/near melee
gray horizon
I think we had maybe 3 pulls total last night where they'd actually spawn anywhere near each other
vale shore
or maybe the tank should be moving him to the barrels
split willow
Why is double vanish more popular for m+ this season among the higher up rogues?
grave osprey
Na, it shouldn’t. That kind of utility is too strong to be baseline i feel.
At this point, SBS should be baseline.
gusty mirage
Na, it shouldn’t. That kind of utility is too strong to be baseline i feel.
It used to be baseline with subterfuge
Well the silence, iron wire used to extend it and give it DR
royal lantern
Now this is class fantasy - BLEEEEEEEDS
pls pls pls sim your stats, thats horrible 
4%vers jesus
gusty mirage
4%vers jesus
Is this a new form of Jesus?
static glacier
I wish iron wire was baked in
same brother, same
gusty mirage
Like baby Jesus’s cousin?
toxic spear
is it 2+2 or 4p bis for m+? new set hc, old set 39
royal lantern
you use 2+2 until all items are ~662
nova aspen
iron wire baseline would be insane
static glacier
strike action from this VA
royal lantern
it would be broken and we dont need that
there should be tradeoff utility talents
iron wire is 1 of them
gusty mirage
They could bring back the 2s silence as baseline
I don’t think that’d be broken at all
royal lantern
small difference bettwen the old 2s silence and iron wire in a post updated subterfuge game
but ye, that could work i gues
vale shore
strike action from this VA
This looks to be pure speculation, do you have a source that confirms this?
royal lantern
This looks to be pure speculation, do you have a source that confirms this?
the VA strike is a big thing in the industry since january
it would kinda fit into the time frame and make sense
runic hinge
there should be tradeoff utility talents
How many specs have utility in their spec tree and damage in their class tree at this point tho
royal lantern
not everyone works under the same union
haughty flicker
its a union, not one person
royal lantern
haughty flicker
if the other voice actors arent part of that union then yeah they arent striking
vale shore
its a union, not one person
yeah, SAG-AFTRA. ALL WoW cast are members
that strike was 2 years ago
royal lantern
multiple videogames are affected with it rn lol
storm forum
that strike was 2 years ago
It's still ongoing
They started negotiations in 2022 and then officially started the strike July of 2024 when they didn't go anywhere
haughty flicker
just pay the damn people
its more about the use of ai
rather than pay
at this point
golden loom
well its everything
spice spire
It's still ongoing
Just like us fr
vale shore
does not seem like an effective strike if only one cast member in the world's biggest subscription-based game is participating
haughty flicker
multiple games have been delayed, league of legends has had issues voicing new skins, destiny 2 has announced the new expansion will be missing voice acting
are you just being contrary for the fun of it or
runic hinge
its effective enough You noticed?
you're now asking questions and finding out their motives
vale shore
I noticed ONE character not having voiced lines, it was annoying, but clearly the company solved the issue. They didn't even have to hire a scab
runic hinge
right so their strike made an impression on you
haughty flicker
even in one of the games least affected by it, its still generating conversation
vale shore
strikes need to make impressions on companies, not customers. I didn't take my WoW business elsewhere, did I?
My Renzik "the Shiv" fan fiction writing is still proceeding as planned
haughty flicker
multiple games have been delayed, league of legends has had issues voicing new s...
so we're just ignoring all of this and saying the strike is ineffective because it didnt impact one game you play very much
vale shore
well, we will see if Assassin's Creed Shadows has just text lines later this week
golden loom
well thats made by Ubisoft so its probably 100% slop and ai generated
runic hinge
"strikes are only effective if they affect me personally" is certainly a take
haughty flicker
this strike has literally influenced legislation to be made
vale shore
it's worth it for the people having anurisms over a black samurai to be honest
vale shore
almost as good as their (its always the same loud, sweaty people) reactions to black Aragorn in MtG
coral ibex
wow player commentary on strikes
i think i’d rather sit in m+ lfg all day getting declined than read more of this
runic hinge
wow players shoud unionize
haughty flicker
i'll never join a union with a fucking boomkin
runic hinge
based
@royal lantern im having trouble finding another spec (other than shadow silence) of a dps spec tree with utility in it
vale shore
I would consider Iron Wire to be more quality of life than utility. You used to have to quickly tab through targets garroting them.
or, indiscriminate carnage I mean
haughty flicker
<@346293680883236864> im having trouble finding another spec (other than shadow ...
aug has a bunch of it in their dps spec tree
on a serious note though the only other one i can think of is solar beam
runic hinge
aug isnt a real spec
haughty flicker
but thats like the second node on the tree
vale shore
on a serious note though the only other one i can think of is solar beam
they have iconic pokemon moves in WoW now!?
haughty flicker
force of nature was utility on spec tree until keeper of the grove came as well iirc
maybe that was in class tree though idr
runic hinge
shadow also has to give up throughput for silence and psychic horror
vestal cliff
does it happen to you guys in st that you dont have any energy and have to drop envenom and regain some?
or is it a mistake if that happens
humble verge
in ST m+ sure, but in raid there shouldnt be an issue
vestal cliff
well then i spam to much i guess
humble verge
you should be more than be able to manage envenom uptime in raid
since you'll be getting ambush procs
which is inherently free 3cp
humble verge
hmmm idk
vestal cliff
sometimes i really starve myself in raid
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
yeah you still pool for kb for sure
humble verge
i see a lot of people who probably dont
vestal cliff
yeah kb makes sense
late goblet
during aoe pull should i be aiming to rupture + garotte every target?
or just enough to maintain energy?
humble verge
@balmy condor you guys havent killed carnage? D:
humble verge
We have
ah
i just wanted to see what you ran on rik
gonna try this out
not that it would probably do anything at all tho
getting told muh add damage is too low
having to go sub
dont understand the spec > yeah im out
solar basalt
mythic or heroic?
solar basalt
Okay, I don't have any experience to add to that then unfortunately, and I was gonna say the same thing you just did RE: heroic
balmy condor
No shot you’re playing CT
humble verge
oh ive pretty much ran the sample talent tree from wowhead
balmy condor
humble verge
<a:OMEGADANCEBUTFAST:952287130812571758>
show me your damage to adds then 😭
balmy condor
Brother I’ve been out all week cause Internet
balmy condor
I mean it is but I haven’t raided
haughty flicker
ah fair
balmy condor
It went out Wednesday morning and wasn’t back until Friday
haughty flicker
still fuck comcast
haughty flicker
people like sniping barrels as sub ig
haughty flicker
just timing cds so that your big sectec hits barrels as they spawn
humble verge
ahh
haughty flicker
thats why a lot of the logs press cds at 14s
fallow estuary
pls pls pls sim your stats, thats horrible <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS
cinder bone
imagine wiping multiple times to the last boss in workshop during fort week
humble verge
how are you wiping?
cinder bone
healer getting hit by magnets
humble verge
rofl
humble verge
rip
gray raven
mechano core amp must be seriously pumping to use it heroic - it's better than seaforium at the same ilevel?
fallow estuary
pls pls pls sim your stats, thats horrible <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
Vers instead of crit enchant actually dmg down
balmy condor
mechano core amp must be seriously pumping to use it heroic - it's better than s...
At same ilvl? Yeah easily
static glacier
its more about the use of ai
highkey this seems a doomed struggle, ai is here and it will grow to dominate creative fields, just like hand made is a special case for food products voice acted by humans will be a similar case
heck we might be able to even get ai TCs instead of this guy above me
balmy condor
They’ve been trying machine learning APL’s for years
And it’s not gotten anywhere even remotely close
static glacier
yet
balmy condor
Yeah maybe
static glacier
we dont have true ai yet tbh
balmy condor
There’s an average of one delusional guy every 6-8 months that shows up and tries
Eventually one of them will be delusional enough idk
static glacier
so long as it can't actually think it will be worse than you
bro has foresight and can imagine / cook up combos to test, ai can't
balmy condor
It’ll for sure hallucinate too
Like it’ll just come up with some wild number go up type shit
Almost undoubtably
And then you probably still need a human to interpret the whole thing anyway idk
Mess
spice surge
Its probably gonna do an unholy amount of overcomplicated lines for like +0.1%. Like dont use crimson tempest on 2 targets if deathmark has 7 second, 4 seconds or 12 seconds left, you dont have your weaponenchant up and the amp poison stacks are 7 or lower
royal lantern
Its probably gonna do an unholy amount of overcomplicated lines for like +0.1%. ...
bro those 0,1% MATTER
balmy condor
Its probably gonna do an unholy amount of overcomplicated lines for like +0.1%. ...
We’ve seen that dance before
spice surge
We’ve seen that dance before <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Im like a palm tree, throwing naturally soothing shade
waxen oyster
can you get multiple mechano core procs at the same time
vale shore
how is assa performing in raid?
it's the top performing spec in raid according to wowhead
runic hinge
waxen oyster
pretty good unless you’re down bad for add damage
vale shore
waxen oyster
Me trying to feign surprise
lavish geyser
what about st? 🙂
vale shore
what about st? 🙂
waxen oyster
turns out spatter is very good
runic hinge
waxen oyster
There’s only one pure st boss
runic hinge
huge sample size
haughty flicker
Sin has fallen relatively significantly since then
lavish geyser
daumn
haughty flicker
With higher samplr size
Still quite good though
We definitely are not struggling in raid atm
waxen oyster
probably helps that sin 4p stinks
and house of cards isnt as avail
spattering an 11m envenom is funny though
vale shore
I am hoping for some kind of rework or at least tuning pass on 4p
vale shore
use the hybrid spec
lavish geyser
vale shore
unless you want to go bleeds
lavish geyser
this is what im playing rn
lavish geyser
oh wait, that is queen one.
upper wraith
There a spreadsheet sheet somewhere of all M+ kickable / 1 shot abilities and mechanics out there?
runic hinge
no
buoyant herald
spattering an 11m envenom is funny though
I had a 15.7m env on gally last night that got spattered 😎 one of the spatter hits was 6.5m
waxen oyster
Honestly sin feels decent this raid
humble verge
@balmy condor guess what dropped from rik'
waxen oyster
unless a boss blatantly favors 1.5min cds
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> guess what dropped from rik'
Your testicles
balmy condor
Heard em hit the floor from here king
runic hinge
Ass maaster but not of the rogue kind
spice spire
dapper zodiac
i did a world 2 ranking on 2nd mythic boss bc of you guys hope youre proud of me :)
cinder bone
just lost the priory roll 😦
spice spire
i did a world 2 ranking on 2nd mythic boss bc of you guys hope youre proud of me...
0 externals extremely based
Good job
humble cradle
Sorry for the super late reply. I took a break so my memory might be off but I remember sometime in season 1 there was a bug or weird interaction when you ambushed a mob to apply a new mark but were also carrying dn. Did this get fixed at some point?
balmy condor
No
humble cradle
So why ambush if carrying dn if it’s still bugged?
humble cradle
Ok. Iirc the bug was you can’t consume stacks of the mark until you use the dn is that correct?
spice surge
Yep
humble cradle
Ok thanks
nova python
anyone got poison macro? mine was working yesterday and its not today 😦
hexed matrix
just realized ive been clearing the witness in opener... that not a thing with vicious venoms now? okie
spice surge
spice spire
Vicious venom in the year of our lord 2025?
spice surge
Its the year of the bleed
VV was so last year
(unfortunately bleed is still not the play in raids, but i play sub in raid so i can cope)
hexed matrix
so ive been doing it correcly lmao
formal vessel
If i have 30 Gilded undermine crests, and 1 enchanted runed undermine crest(645-658), should i get everforged stabber, or just wait until i can get the Enchanted Gilded Crest and use the runed crest on Rune Branded Kickers?
balmy condor
The latter
balmy condor
Mainhand dagger is the single biggest upgrade you could get
So you craft 675 on that
And then the other slot is whatever
haughty flicker
Ye like whippet said dagger is locked in
But vault might influence second piece
So good to wait
spice surge
Whippet 
umbral citrus
Is there a way to get the sims import string without being online? I wanna do some trinket tomfoolery
acoustic roost
does upgrading wrists from s1 to s2 make em lose the gem slot?
correct
royal lantern
does upgrading wrists from s1 to s2 make em lose the gem slot?
yes
acoustic roost
Is there a way to get the sims import string without being online? I wanna do so...
you can load from armory and then click convert to SimC input
spice surge
It also tells you with a pig popup that you will lose the gem
When you do the crafting order
runic hinge
umbral citrus
you can load from armory and then click convert to SimC input
Thx
spice spire
(unfortunately bleed is still not the play in raids, but i play sub in raid so i...
Dead to me
grave osprey
Bleed4Life. Rejoice my blood brothers, perhaps bleeds will be buffed some more!
balmy condor
Whippet <:POGGA:752673749555216464>
Whippet 🤝 Elmo
lilac tulip
!up
prisma monolithBOT
distant plinth
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
predictions for tomorrow's changes?
hexed frost
uneven plume
buff to fire mage probably
fast jewel
20% aura buff to WW, 3% duration nerf to death mark and turned into a 3min cd 
balmy condor
Revert nerf to sub tier
bronze marsh
plz ty
golden loom
+8 yard melee range for all melees
bronze marsh
I'll gladly hand back the baseline buffs to get bigger tier bonks back
subtle tundra
idk ill touch myself
vale shore
I just want a full combo bar during the 4 seconds of jackpot for 4p
is that too much to ask?
vale shore
oh, is the sim based on the 10 seconds or the 4 second?
spice surge
10 because it is 10
spice spire
predictions for tomorrow's changes?
Survival buffs
waxen oyster
its a bit weird how envenom does more than any of sub's finishers
haughty flicker
top 5 nerfed bottom 5 buffed
except aug they probably ignore it for the rest of the tier
subtle tundra
The tooltip lies <:garf:1320173032743899157>
oh so they didnt bother updating it?
LOL!
spice spire
its a bit weird how envenom does more than any of sub's finishers
They’re the bleed spec and we’re the eviscerate spec
Obviously
cedar basin
if i have the pvp trink that has 1 min cd i guess is ok to macro it into kingsbane? No cards or priory yet
golden loom
Ye why not
gray horizon
\
runic hinge
/
haughty flicker
\
buoyant herald
if i have the pvp trink that has 1 min cd i guess is ok to macro it into kingsba...
That thing is actually kinda ok for an easy option if you haven’t got another on use
I like it
brave comet
does the group in prison need healers inside the walls on mugzee?
vale shore
not if they are fast!
gusty mirage
sorry my cat was typing
Why are you apologizing? Your cat wants to hang out with us and I’m okay with that
spice spire
I’d prefer it even
runic hinge
Fr. Let the cat speak its mind. We’re here to listen
gray horizon
Do i need to provide cat tax now
runic hinge
Yes
gray horizon
runic hinge
gusty mirage
<:DUBAMEOW:922916596975022090>
gray horizon
Oh woah look at that a whole thread
runic hinge
Bis discord channel
gray horizon
tax has been paid
spice spire
God bless
runic hinge
Another cat perhaps? 
spice spire
static glacier
Enjoy
was looking forward to maybe using CT, but it doesnt tlook that fun now i watch
strange python
Boss just doesn’t appeal to me at all
cursive marsh
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ionic crater
Honestly I hope I’m out for that boss on prog
With sin being #1 on overall damage rn, wouldn’t count on being out lol
peak bobcat
With sin being #1 on overall damage rn, wouldn’t count on being out lol
not very good on mythic
very mid one might say
subtle tundra
With sin being #1 on overall damage rn, wouldn’t count on being out lol
hmmmmmmm
assa doesnt even have a log on stix!
peak bobcat
caustic spatter 45 yard range copium
lavish geyser
what makes it not good, having two on use trinkets for m+? like priory 2 min one and house of cards. cause then you would be able to buff all of your cd uses.
apparently you run 2x on use trinkets for dk, so just was wondering if the same could be applied to assa 🙂
subtle tundra
assa burst is dogshit
balmy condor
kingsbane without deathmark is horrid
static glacier
in raid that is
lavish geyser
okay 🙂
oblique iron
Theater of pain bleed build or hybrid?
coral ibex
Theater of pain bleed build or hybrid?
why don't you try them and see for yourself
oblique iron
was just seeing what the community said about it. not very big pulls of trash really so didn't know if hybrid was better
true tide
anyone know if the reverb wave is cloakable or able to be shadowstepped over?
balmy condor
Theater of pain bleed build or hybrid?
hybrid probablyu
balmy condor
anyone know if the reverb wave is cloakable or able to be shadowstepped over?
step yes, cloak no
true tide
step yes, cloak no
ty
balmy condor
ty
it's got a fat gyatt of a hitbox though so probably wouldn't suggest stepping it
it's pretty finnicky
subtle tundra
sprocketmonger is one hell of a boss
so good
will have to get annihilated for the average CE guild though
true tide
Makes sense, we are only ever wiping to last bomb sets before wave so was thinking may be able to stay behind blast the last add, sprint away and shadow step over
subtle tundra
so fun to play
a dance with variance
but 1 mistake = wipe
so this type of boss has to get completely destroyed by blizz
severe meadow
Is it still same as S1
Let me introduce you to.. Dry shiv
shrewd grotto
is assass good?
buoyant herald
Yes
warm vortex
Tbh all 3 specs look good atm
shrewd grotto
just wondering because i was playing sub but assass seems more interesting and i didnt know if it was worth swapping to
red schooner
Started remembering to dry shiv, big envenoms make me happy
buoyant herald
Started remembering to dry shiv, big envenoms make me happy
Wait until they spatter 🫠
acoustic roost
just wondering because i was playing sub but assass seems more interesting and i...
waxen oyster
I mean you can run both with little loss.
ionic hill
is assass good?
I feel like single target is a bit lackluster in m+ with our main build but that could just be me tbh
ionic hill
I would imagine outlaws and subs are having an easier time with m+ boss damage
buoyant herald
Sub and outlaw basically use very very similar trees for m+ and raid
ionic hill
yeah
buoyant herald
But this raid, almost every boss has adds you spatter without thinking so it performs very very well
ionic hill
in terms of overall m+ aoe though I'd say assassination performs really well right now
ionic hill
But this raid, almost every boss has adds you spatter without thinking so it per...
true
runic hinge
Assa probably one of the best aoe specs rn. Very consistent but ST a bit bad. Still have me top overall most keys
buoyant herald
I’m often right up the top of boss damage in raid because you just don’t switch
waxen oyster
I mean most people aren't doing keys where boss damage is the make or break.
buoyant herald
Exactly, full commit bleed build for me 😂
cerulean maple
does sureki's sim properly? current neck is barely any better in terms of raw stats but sims better, hence not sure
ionic hill
I have a feeling they will buff kingsbane in .5 patch but it could just be hopium im puffing
balmy condor
does sureki's sim properly? current neck is barely any better in terms of raw st...
yes
cerulean maple
balmy condor
I have a feeling they will buff kingsbane in .5 patch but it could just be hopiu...
I doubt it tbh
balmy condor
as much as people hate envenom: the spec
I don't think kingsbane is gonna get the target
runic hinge
We’re gonna want to spread it beyond 5 targets cause it’s so juiced
manic quartz
imagine if shiv spread KB 😄
runic hinge
buoyant herald
Or IC
manic quartz
😄
buoyant herald
The monkeys paw curls
Not very thematic though tbh, just gonna be the bane of all these kings at once
ionic hill
how painful is it to switch to sub anyways? I came from sub to sin because stat wise sin likes everything but I would imagine its painful to go back now sadge
runic hinge
Secondaries are over valued
ionic hill
my dumbass gave away that one theater of pain ring because "I'd never touch sub again"
balmy condor
if you have 10% haste on sub your character explodes and all your logs turn grey
bitter solar
nothing like a bit of Gandalf the greying
buoyant herald
I see you like to live dangerously
ionic hill
ehh i'm a newbie my logs must be horrible anyways I learned everything about this game from ravenholdt and Whisp/fuu
started back in november
cerulean maple
sub player must cream if PI
runic hinge
Yeah. Spec feels real good rn
tall jay
I mean I didn’t see any “play” in rwf so it can’t be “op” hahaha
balmy condor
assa was world first mug'zee
ionic hill
we are flying under the radar
tall jay
Oh damn missed that fight darn it
balmy condor
yeh mug'zee got assa brought out cause of execute damage
ionic hill
I dont know what that is but looks like outlaw
tall jay
Did exile play sin?
balmy condor
ye
tall jay
Oh sick
balmy condor
I dont know what that is but looks like outlaw
bm hunter
ionic hill
ew
haughty flicker
we arent in a position to ew bm hunter anymore
warm vortex
0 CDs
It feels weird
Beastial wrath isn’t a CD anymore as it’s used like every 20 sec
haughty flicker
no cotw or anything?
warm vortex
So tbh the longest CD I have feels like 20 seconds dire beast or 30 seconds ish Beastial wrath
Nope like
3 hours ago
The build changed
haughty flicker
based
warm vortex
No more call of the wild
haughty flicker
fuck having cds
warm vortex
Now we just have dire beast instead
balmy condor
the hell
warm vortex
Because people were simming and experimenting
Turns out it’s like a 100K dps increase
haughty flicker
tbf outlaw is just now coming up with a new HO trickster build lmao
warm vortex
Raid is still CoTW
haughty flicker
a day of experimentation
warm vortex
Also in the breakdown on details, when it doesn’t lump all my pet damage under them
haughty flicker
they were slacking with solo gone
balmy condor
but I'm getting flamed for assa sims being dps accurate
warm vortex
The bleed from my bear is doing the most damage
warm vortex
So it’s just ranged assassination 
haughty flicker
buoyant herald
Reminds me of BM in BFA, just perma uptime on CDs, big flat damage
warm vortex
Yea it’s rlly fun
warm vortex
Seriously tho idk why the bear does so much fucking damage but I, not complaining
Also it counts as a “dire beast” so it gets cleave aswell on its auto attack
buoyant herald
I have my hunter at 80 but ehhhh not for me
warm vortex
I mean there’s more min maxing with it than there was with assa but baseline it’s like 100x easier
buoyant herald
Like it feels strong but you don’t get the payoff like you do with a 15m envenom crit
It felt like I was doing nothing but then you look at details and you’re fine
warm vortex
I mean watching a bear get launched out of me from thin air, do a lil twirl, and then I get like Uber damage for a few seconds is nice
So is disengaging off the platforms in ToP
Which I have somehow done twice
haughty flicker
ngl i did a top on boomkin yesterday and i started getting hit by tornados just so i could disengage back onto the platform
buoyant herald
I have stepped back on after getting blasted by the winds a few times 😂
warm vortex
There is a massive hole you can disengage out of
I haven’t done it yet
But I 100% know I’m going to somehow accidentally disengage out of the boss fight
cerulean maple
Because people were simming and experimenting
Turns out it’s like a 100K dps in...
mildly crazy
warm vortex
Indeed
P much all that changes is Beats we summon now cleave with our normal pets
I didn’t know that the hero tree ones (the 3 different pets that KC summons every like 13 seconds) are considered them
umbral sierra
supposed tyo have 2 whole sparks this week where tf is my 4th half a hoe
did the quest for the turn 1 to 2
did other quest for free 1
runic hinge
Same guy next to catalyst
umbral sierra
didawakening machine and hella keys
spice surge
Do the weekly titan disc quest
umbral sierra
so it only comes from titan frags?
umbral sierra
wtb it droping in keys or from pvp boxes again
spice surge
Can just do it through follower dungeon, its 15 per boss
fresh kelp
but I'm getting flamed for assa sims being dps accurate
wdym its beautiful
umbral sierra
ya im workin on it now
spice surge
So it doesnt take very long as you just stealth through to the bosses and oneshot them
umbral sierra
15 per boss makes me sucidal though
shrewd grotto
just do stonevault and pull all the way to the 1st boss kill it and leave thats what i did
balmy condor
It should auto complete in like 3-4 delves
And you’re already doing delves every week anyway
royal lantern
wdym its beautiful
and thats why we say that outlaw needs jesus
balmy condor
royal lantern
but im not sure if jesus can help it
spice surge
And you’re already doing delves every week anyway
I already got my energy drink so im not 
balmy condor
I already got my energy drink so im not <:ASkek:689265970887393349>
I’m doing them just for the chance of anything at this point ngl
royal lantern
is energy drink "better" then eye/pacemaker...?
haughty flicker
its really good for sub
tulip shuttle
Does anyone know what key level we should switch off the bleeding build? 12s?
haughty flicker
until you get mythic trinkets
spice surge
Its not better than eye of kezan on long fights no
royal lantern
haughty flicker
tbf it sims really well for me on sin too
spice surge
But overall the delve trinkets are generally like +one track compared to their ilvl
haughty flicker
like i think pacemaker at equal ilvl is .3% higher or something
buoyant herald
Energy drink, shadow blade, mechanocore (?) all pretty nice passive options
Fun house lens is nice too, just not for rogue unforch
buoyant herald
Hell yeah bruthurr
last skiff
lets gooooooo
gg
humble verge
ok so i dont get it lads
we were supposed to get 1 spark + the spark from the cata guy
ive still not gotten the normal spark
buoyant herald
.
That sounds about right and has been echoed by the guidewriter so sure, go with that
tawdry halo
ive still not gotten the normal spark
Did you do the titan disc quest?
cedar elm
what is the stat prio for assa in raid? is it just my sub gear
tawdry halo
buoyant herald
what is the stat prio for assa in raid? is it just my sub gear
Your sub gear is fine, maybe go for a bit more crit if you want an unexact and validated answer
tawdry halo
i was told to do it
blizzard is a small indie company so idk
hardy prairie
did i miss something? is bleed build the way to go in m+?
buoyant herald
More aoe, less ST, does aoe damage faster so good for shorter living packs
So it’s really good until you get to a key level that your weak boss damage becomes a problem
humble verge
blizzard is a small indie company so idk
most of my fellow raiders have 2 items
maybe ill just do a bunch of keys tomorrow idk
its 2am
time for schleep
static glacier
tbf outlaw is just now coming up with a new HO trickster build lmao
a lot of the law one tricks just like kir more
and it's been ahead for so long for aoe that people just didn't test setups etc with HO im guessing
buoyant herald
You can stop going to church now
feral drift
LF a weakaura for assissination rogue plz something easy to follow as i just came back to the game and would like to monitor my cooldowns
spice surge
!wa
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Whispyr's Plater
scarlet sable
Is sins ST that bad?
static glacier
Is sins ST that bad?
in dungeons it's on the lower end of the spectrum
in raid our st is solid
pastel cradle
i tried rookery on +12 and 2nd boss is pretty hard to deal dps against, its such a small window
cinder bone
you need a DK
fleet pagoda
i tried rookery on +12 and 2nd boss is pretty hard to deal dps against, its such...
yeah that boss and candle boss in DFT are super annoying as melee
cerulean maple
asking for a friend (no but fr asking for someone in trade chat) are there any good m+ guides? quazi maybe?
pastel cradle
asking for a friend (no but fr asking for someone in trade chat) are there any g...
damn im watching quazi vid rn lol
pastel cradle
yeah that boss and candle boss in DFT are super annoying as melee
yea im just trying to see how everyone else plays against him, im pretty much useless against that boss
cerulean maple
damn im watching quazi vid rn lol
i was hioping to recommend smth that isnt 600 hours per video ngl
pastel cradle
i was hioping to recommend smth that isnt 600 hours per video ngl
i just skipped through it to the boss i was having difficulty with
weary spear
asking for a friend (no but fr asking for someone in trade chat) are there any g...
Probably won’t learn every mob ability in the dungeon in a 10 minute vid. But can watch quazii’s and skip to the parts you want like bosses or mobs with important abilities
cerulean maple
god i cant imagine sitting through hours of m+ guides
atp just do some 2s or wahtever and learn by doing
but ya i told them to just watch quazii vids or alterantively look for shit on yt themselves
haughty flicker
im starting to understand why boomkins are all terrible people
watching 200 casts go off after ive already used beam and my knocks
is going to turn me into a villain too
static glacier
im starting to understand why boomkins are all terrible people
runic hinge
!wa
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
runic hinge
can someone link me the KB aura for better track?
LE’s collection has one
ocean ore
ty!!
spice spire
based based based based based based
haughty flicker
i just did a 4 workshop where the tank outdamaged both other dps
and it wasnt even a prot or bdk, it was a bear
static glacier
based based based based based based
ironically I never raided as boomie in that expac, only feral
spice spire
feral is goated
static glacier
got recruited as a boomkin despite being resto main, lied about getting boomkin legendaries, kept buying feral ones and playing feral
haughty flicker
lmao
static glacier
got to heal one fight, destroyed their main healers and then quit the game xd
cinder bone
i just did a 4 workshop where the tank outdamaged both other dps
I missed timing a 9 by 30 seconds earlier because a frost mage only did 1.3b overall damage while me and DK each had 2+
haughty flicker
oh we werent timing it anyway we died like 300 times
cinder bone
lmao
haughty flicker
and i kind of did tank damage too
i dont normally censor names but these guys deserve it
~640 ilvl
cinder bone
YIKES
haughty flicker
somehow im managing to be bad at boomkin though
which i think is an accomplishment
ionic hill
Damn is that single target
haughty flicker
thats overall
ionic hill
No way
haughty flicker
4 workshop
ionic hill
haughty flicker
it was not a good time for any of us i would say lmao
ionic hill
How is that fotm roller fire mage 570k
haughty flicker
he spent most of the key dead tbf
also he died on trash before 3rd boss and tank pulled before we got him up lmao
so entire third boss without him
ionic hill
My man sub possibly using sectec as a fatfinger button
earnest flume
anyone else hate second boss in rookery as melee
vale shore
anyone else hate second boss in rookery as melee
he does like 2 things
he marks and then leaps
earnest flume
ye and stands in puddles for 5 years
vale shore
and then you shimmy between the dark columns
vale shore
yeah you should be ripping off whole chunks of your energy bar and feeding them to him when you can
earnest flume
not saying its hard, saying its cringe and annoying just waitin around
solid hemlock
or you could type in a class discord like im doing rn while fighting the boss
vale shore
I feel like he is only in the puddle while he is casting his AoE burst, which you should be backing away from to find a gap through
unless your healers hate you
solid hemlock
4set buffs when?
balmy condor
Not happening
vale shore
Not happening
never!?
balmy condor
Why would it
vale shore
than according to my sims, I am never putting them on
vale shore
even at 662 it's a downgrade
balmy condor
Would just be stupid to do it
solid hemlock
its not intuitive for the average gamer that you grief your output by wearing the set from the new season
balmy condor
even at 662 it's a downgrade
Okay well then 665 or 668
haughty flicker
its not intuitive for the average gamer that you grief your output by wearing th...
they're more likely to just nerf old 2p than buff new 4p
its on par with what the average seems to be
balmy condor
its not intuitive for the average gamer that you grief your output by wearing th...
Yeah but it’s also dumb of blizzard to repeat the same shit that got us here in the first place
So the old bonus is 6% and the new tier should be better, so what
We make the new tier 7%?
And then next season rolls around and now what
vale shore
they should have kept the 4 second duration of Jackpot but made it so your combo points stay full, so you get 3 or 4 super envenoms in when it procs
solid hemlock
s1 they ended up buffing outlaw 4set so idk
balmy condor
New tier should be 8? 9?
Okay you aren’t listening
The current bonus
Is not weak
The old bonus is strong
If any tuning happens, it’ll have to be a nerf to the old 2 set
If they buff the current bonus they’re just kicking the can down the road and we’ll be right back here next season when we inevitably don’t break the season 2 bonus
solid hemlock
honestly, envenom is strong - thats whats causing this xd
vale shore
heh, just as long as they don't touch my 619 Wrathstone from ulduar timewalking, this thing is a beast
balmy condor
I’m gonna lose it
fallow canopy
heh, just as long as they don't touch my 619 Wrathstone from ulduar timewalking,...
based
vale shore
some warrior gave it to me for the asking, he didnt know what a gem it was!
balmy condor
wonder what makes it so strong
fallow canopy
<a:xddentge:1219707973740527646>
truly a mystery for the ages
balmy condor
The world may never know
vale shore
I am not sure what they were smoking when they decided a timewalking trinket should be giving 12k primary stat with no cast time on a 2 min CD
gritty laurel
i think the new 4 piece should just make all envenoms darkest night procs
solid hemlock
smort
balmy condor
That’s the kind of critical thinking we like around here
vale shore
and also should fire them off automatically, without me having to push the button
gritty laurel
hell yeah
vale shore
well, a lot of that energy would bleed off as heat, cooking us
solid hemlock
make it procc subterfuge
haughty flicker
and make it find my dad
vale shore
critical thinking, man
balmy condor
well, a lot of that energy would bleed off as heat, cooking us
It’s green energy smarts
Ever think about that?
vale shore
haha now I want a 4pc proc that just blows you up and deals a ton of damage
balmy condor
I can’t stop winning
spice surge
critical thinking, man
If you spec cold blood you can guarantee one think to be critical
gritty laurel
what do i macro it to though
balmy condor
Alexa, add banning Elmo to my to-do list
vale shore
If you spec cold blood you can guarantee one think to be critical
you can't crit on a knowledge check, rules-as-written!
fallow canopy
I can’t stop winning
maybe you are on some kind of... victorious roll
balmy condor
maybe you are on some kind of... victorious roll
Can’t be, rolling is outlaws thing
spice surge
Alexa, add banning Elmo to my to-do list
Sure, but first here is despacito
vale shore
they are rolling dice, while fatebound is flipping coins. Statistically, fatebound wins more often
fallow canopy
stix progress is looking great btw ||(watching the stream on discord)||
vale shore
deathstalker loses when my mark bugs out and disappears again
balmy condor
Sure, but first here is despacito
Let’s here it then Mr Swede
fallow canopy
they are rolling dice, while fatebound is flipping coins. Statistically, fatebou...
math checks out
dreamy rover
whispyr this is getting out of hand, i dont even believe the stat priority anymore. vers/mast gear simming higher than crit/mast
this is insane
balmy condor
Welcome to assa
gaunt quiver
It all appears to just be good.
solid hemlock
vers/mastery simming higher than agi for me - always sim
vale shore
my sims keep telling me to get haste, I must have been really good at finding pieces without it, so I am haste starved now
dreamy rover
how are you haste starved
vale shore
its only on my neck
vale shore
yeah, that's about where I was
balmy condor
my best setup atm is a crit/vers neck and a mast/vers ring
vale shore
and now sims are telling me haste pieces are the biggest upgrades
balmy condor
even though I have alternatives
dreamy rover
thats crazy
balmy condor
gaunt quiver
my best setup atm is a crit/vers neck and a mast/vers ring
I'm triggered you got both of those trinkets already.
balmy condor
look at how many god damn rings I have
haughty flicker
my best setup atm is a crit/vers neck and a mast/vers ring
hey samesies
dreamy rover
coming from sub, strictly stacking vers/mast with a bit of crit, this is very unusual for me
balmy condor
I'm triggered you got both of those trinkets already.
wasn't even that bad, this was signet
nova kelp
is it time for the tri-annual stats aren't always bad stats conversation?
balmy condor
is it time for the tri-annual stats aren't always bad stats conversation?
weekly
vale shore
"stats aren't real, they can't hurt you" I took this to heart
nova kelp
lol
fallow canopy
i got very lucky this season, got priory on my 3rd run and seaforium myth track on first vault lol
gaunt quiver
wasn't even that bad, this was signet
Yea thats... better than Skardyns drop at least.
runic hinge
wasn't even that bad, this was signet
Got my signet from my third priory which was my first 10 of the season and got my pacemaker from my third floodgate which was a 6. 
dreamy rover
i've been trying for some time now to create a assas and sub gearset, everytime i've simmed the best gear for sub and assass its always the same :S also have a bunch of rings and it tells me the best one is the versatility heavy one 😮
haughty flicker
i think ive only done 3 floodgates total lmao
been too lazy to farm for trinket
its such a small upgrade for me atm
balmy condor
I've done like 8 or something
gaunt quiver
Yea well, I got the ASMR mount from Raid...
dreamy rover
this shit is assas best in slot for me rn btw
balmy condor
we keep getting motherlode/rookery/meadery/cleft
balmy condor
this shit is assas best in slot for me rn btw
dreamy rover
i need to get into these floodgates
vale shore
look at this thing! Ive been staring at this for 4 months now!
balmy condor
this was so tragic though
dreamy rover
<:YEP:751628585407873064>
btw i have this in my bag
dreamy rover
😄
dreamy rover
this was so tragic though
overtime by 18s is crazy
vale shore
well, if you COULD reach a billion you would be envenoming for several-hundred million a pop....
solid hemlock
we be envenoming for 9k again next xpac
dreamy rover
assassin is cooked
vale shore
it would be weird to do a stat squish in the middle of their expac trilogy, wouldnt it?
balmy condor
overtime by 18s is crazy
With 9 deaths, 6 of which were just insanely dumb
dreamy rover
was exile running 2 + 2 set in mug'zee?
balmy condor
Was easily timed
dreamy rover
With 9 deaths, 6 of which were just insanely dumb
ripp
dreamy rover
oh, he must have high enough ilvl to replace 2+2 right?
isnt 2+2 simming higher still?
solid hemlock
it would be weird to do a stat squish in the middle of their expac trilogy, woul...
maybe ur right, but if they dont we will be doing several 100*s of millions in big pulls the time the last titan comes around xD
vale shore
maybe ur right, but if they dont we will be doing several 100*s of millions in b...
just in time to kill The Last Titan?
dreamy rover
ah bad
I just replaced 4set for 2 + 2 for sub also because of ilvl, had shitty tier pieces from s1
solid hemlock
just in time to kill The Last Titan?
trueee
dreamy rover
it would be weird to do a stat squish in the middle of their expac trilogy, woul...
oh they'll 1000% do one before next xpac
dreamy rover
they hate the types of numbers we're already seeing
balmy condor
he just has a lot of ilvl
vale shore
log onto a private server and give the admin a lot of money?
solid hemlock
bleed
balmy condor
for bleed build yes
vale shore
well, we all know which set to vote for when we get to season 4 and they ask which rogue set we want to be that season
solid hemlock
it can always get worse
solid hemlock
you dont
vale shore
well, we will have corruption enchants by then as well!
haughty flicker
balmy condor
well, we will have corruption enchants by then as well!
god fuck why did you remind me
vale shore
god fuck why did you remind me
well, we can't stack the bleed one on eight pieces this time, at least
solid hemlock
echoing blades with crit corruption went hard tho
vale shore
now now, how could taking the most-popular things from past expansions and bringing them back be bad?
soon we will choose Aldor or Scryer again!
set up our garrison houses!
runic hinge
tww just keeps getting worse doesn't it
Depends on the angle you look at it from
vale shore
spend 6 months collecting trade goods and turning them in to open Ahn Qiraj
runic hinge
Math boy
balmy condor
I'm all for blizzard using old content and stuff, it's an mmo and they have 20 years of stuff to go back to
but do they really need to bring things back in such a lazy shit way
dreamy rover
i swear to god if blizzard brings back artifact weapons ill cream myself
vale shore
i swear to god if blizzard brings back artifact weapons ill cream myself
and make new tints of the mage tower appearances to unlock!
balmy condor
"corruptions are back!"
but they're only back as enchants, and they'll probably still be untuned, and they'll go away in midnight again when there's new enchants
so they're not back
they're just limited edition
haughty flicker
we're so back
balmy condor
like everything else
haughty flicker
ltd
vale shore
thats exactly how they used to work
dreamy rover
and make new tints of the mage tower appearances to unlock!
I'd kill for that
balmy condor
I mean blizzard please just make an effort to make gear interesting for once in your fucking life man
vale shore
I'd kill for that
black-tinted assassin ghost blade daggers!
solid hemlock
they're just limited edition
make the enchants be purchasable by a vendor on a weekly rotation aswell cause FuN
balmy condor
why is the most interesting thing you've done for gear in the last 5 years bringing back a system that was op for a season, for another season
vale shore
make them rare, random drops from only the highest mask visions
balmy condor
please god
spice surge
I mean blizzard please just make an effort to make gear interesting for once in ...
Best we can do is nerf embellishments to also be inconsequential
fallow canopy
make them rare, random drops from only the highest mask visions
that would make a lot of people mad really fast
vale shore
that would make a lot of people mad really fast
and also make them delves
dreamy rover
Best we can do is nerf embellishments to also be inconsequential
actually saddened me, embellishments were the shit in DF
balmy condor
Best we can do is nerf embellishments to also be inconsequential
dude legit the first two questions I had when they announced corruptions are:
- dear god fucking why
- why are these not embellishments
waxen oyster
Wait why are people using bleed build in non shit keys
balmy condor
cause it's good
haughty flicker
all keys are shit keys
waxen oyster
all keys are shit keys
True and based
fallow canopy
dude legit the first two questions I had when they announced corruptions are:
1....
maybe they will be embellishments after some consideration 
balmy condor
no
dreamy rover
maybe they will be embellishments after some consideration <:copium:854628182104...
huffing hard here
haughty flicker
maybe they will be embellishments after some consideration <:copium:854628182104...
tbf they did say they might do that
balmy condor
bleed build can take iron wire at less of a loss than hybrid
fallow canopy
tbf they did say they might do that
yeye inhale with me
haughty flicker
or make them enchants on things that arent weapons
balmy condor
it's like a 1% loss for bleed build and like a 6% loss for hybrid
haughty flicker
i mean is it copium at all to think blizzard might change their mind arbitrarily 100 times
dreamy rover
bleed build can take iron wire at less of a loss than hybrid
what do you replace to get wired?
strange python
Guys it’s 4 am I just woke up from a nap that escalated and idk where I am
How are you doing
solid hemlock
what do you replace to get wired?
throughput
balmy condor
dreamy rover
idk though, i tried playing bleed build just feels kind of dead and boring
solid hemlock
i only played ironwire in grim batol last season
solid hemlock
we all do
balmy condor
you can play it with kingsbane
dreamy rover
you can play it with kingsbane
by removing bone spike?
balmy condor
yeh
runic hinge
Bleed build was made by @storm forum in df s1
runic hinge
Someone sim me blindside instead of ttb again
runic hinge
Might play it for proc dopamine for a bit
uneven plume
is jasper ring still bugged?
runic hinge
improved ambush when doing blindside?
I don’t think it’s worth cause in aoe you’re still not gonna be casting that many
dreamy rover
I don’t think it’s worth cause in aoe you’re still not gonna be casting that man...
very fair point
dawn heath
If you want st find a skilled fire mage friend to play with and just do what sin is good at which is aoe
You wont do singel target no matter what
haughty flicker
People forget there's 3 dps in a key group
are there though
dreamy rover
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
the crest discount on alts is actually insanely nice btw
dreamy rover
sub is doing the no secret technique challenge
waxen oyster
Delve benefits:
- Guaranteed loot
2.I can do whenever and afk in the middle - No shit pugs
haughty flicker
if i had a group sure
but i only started playing my drood a couple days ago and any m+ i was doing with guild was using rogues key to get people 10s for vault
next week im gonna bum some 10s
dawn heath
Even if you just have one friend you can alternate mains and do every other run
high jetty
Delve benefits:
1. Guaranteed loot
2.I can do whenever and afk in the middle
3. ...
Farming the keys is worse than playing with pugs lol
dawn heath
10s are so unbelievably easy
haughty flicker
they are
but havent had the opportunity yet like i said
i agree if you can just go straight there thats best
waxen oyster
Not really no
low keys have some creatures
and 10s sometimes have drama queens who show their dunning kruger and leave if key isnt going to be timed
week 2 leaving because 1 min over is beyond cringe
storm forum
Bleed build was made by <@105574463969452032> in df s1
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