assassination

[dawn heath]

i lost dps

lmao

💀

unlucky

4p seems to sim higher on aoe but lower on st

should we be tracking our 4piece at all?

[tawdry halo]

No need to play around tier set

[dawn heath]

shouldnt we want to slam our finishers during this proc window?

its only 4 seconds

[cerulean burrow]

question... when we are doing 2 target cleave do we use fan of knives as our main builder? or is it mutilate on naything 2 targets or less or .... what is it ? im talking abotu a cleave fight like rik reverb

like how many targets do we start using fan of knives instead of mutilate as the main builder?

[dawn heath]

its fan on 2 targets but if you low roll crits like me u may wanna mutilate

[cerulean burrow]

ok

[dawn heath]

the amount of times i hit FOK and get 1 cp

[cerulean burrow]

well

[dawn heath]

but u obv wanna keep spatter up

[cerulean burrow]

it spreads poison too so

and obvi i know we need to apply costic spatter with mutilate

but yes i think you answered my question

[tawdry halo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strong wing]

Sim saying to run ascendance on weapon and elemental focusing on neck lol

[golden loom]

Pretty sure you only fan on 2 targets if you have CT talented

So when playing MA on rick for example you wouldnt fan on 2

[buoyant schooner]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[solar wyvern]

Its specifically when imp fan of knives is talented

[buoyant schooner]

I noticed that wowhead tells us to craft dagger and boots, is there any reason why boots specifically?

[balmy condor]

Nop

That’s just how it shook out

Craft wrists or boots or belt or whatever

YOLO

[buoyant schooner]

thank whispyr, you´re the best!

[balmy condor]

Np

[lethal heart]

[spice spire]

Just loot it

2 ez

[marble hemlock]

nice now you can trade me the next one

[celest helm]

im trying man 😦

[spice spire]

Same

Hardstuck normal hoc

[haughty flicker]

just open your vault lmao

[lethal heart]

ok

log on and we can do

a dunjon

[balmy condor]

Hoc tuah, pri on that ry

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

Whispyr I’m going to say a slur

[marble hemlock]

[thorn thorn]

Gamer words on main???

[tawdry halo]

Whispyr been waiting for tuning for too long

[balmy condor]

And I shall keep waiting

Monk nerfs when

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for the firemage nerfs that will simultaneously see arcane/frost buffed by like 10% or some shit

[eternal nacelle]

why sharping stones over mana oil

[thorn thorn]

Fuck the monk nerfs where are my mage nerfs

[balmy condor]

Does more damage

[pastel cradle]

when choosing gems for the equipment, would it be better to focus mastery or crit? if i have more mastery would it be better in higher keys?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Use crit/mast, mast/crit, the crit blasphemite with 3 colors, with 4 colors

it all ends up being basically the same

[storm forum]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[timid bramble]

hey guys

any idea why after 3 days of a full run of Normal raid

it still shows 1/8N in warcraftlogs

and no parses or anything

[tawdry halo]

Are the logs public?

Have they been uploaded?

[brave comet]

i had 3 groups fail the first boss in mechagon back to back to back

i cant believe that this is something thats happening

[thorn thorn]

It should be pretty believable

What key level

[brave comet]

10

is this boss supposed to be hard?

[spice spire]

No.

[haughty flicker]

hardest part of that boss is dodging the tankbuster my pug tanks run around with all the time

[spice spire]

You just bring the tank buster to a hammer when they have plates

So you shouldn’t move a ton

[haughty flicker]

yes

but so many pug tanks love to move around randomly

gotta watch them like its a 3rd boss

[tawdry halo]

One of our raid tanks is a monk

[haughty flicker]

not a hard fight dont get me wrong

but sometimes pug tanks make it harder than it needs to be lmao

[tawdry halo]

Man has ADHD or something he literally never sits still in keys

[spice spire]

Now third boss

That shit sucks

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rustic coyote]

I just got kicked from a heroic bandit pug for not switching to adds. I tried to explain that sin likes to cleave from boss but they kicked me anyway. Was I in the wrong? I was top 3-5 dps every pull so it wasn't an overall dps problem.

[tawdry halo]

You're not wrong, but random pug RLs are extremely unlikely to give a shit

[rustic coyote]

fair enough lol

[haughty flicker]

in a pug you just follow the monkeys and hope it works

ape together strong

[thorn thorn]

The only thing dumber than pugs are pug raid leads

gg go next

[rustic coyote]

Also 90% of the wipes were from people letting their fixate hit them so idk why they thought I was the problem lol

[humble cradle]

Anyone have a good plater profile that only shows rogue specific debuffs on the target and turns the plate of your caustic spatter target green? Do any of the ones that come up from wa command provide this?

I had been using one from shivz but I don’t think he’s updated it for season 2

[tawdry halo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

Im telling you

[tawdry halo]

Whispy's plater

[thorn thorn]

Pug Raid Leads are on average dumb as fuck

[humble cradle]

Ok dope. Thank you

[rustic coyote]

Yeah thankfully I'm in a cool guild now so i don't have to pug much anymore

[tawdry halo]

I think pug RLs are people who are too dumb / socially inept to be in a guild or the guild RL

which is why the experience is so awful

and the standard for guild RLs is like 0.5cm above the ground

[haughty flicker]

tbf most of the time i dont have issues in raid pugs

its just when you do have issues its very noticable

[thorn thorn]

The standard is literally "who is willing to look like an idiot infront of 19 others"

[tawdry halo]

thats because people who led pugs only pick people with the AOTC achiev and myth xp - don't need to lead anything

everyone already knows their role

[thorn thorn]

My favorite was in aberrus I had a pug RL inviting Augs and refused to kick them because we "just dont understand how to read their damage contribution" (we did, and they were terrible)

[tawdry halo]

[thorn thorn]

I knew anyway

Im an aug player, takes one to know one

[spice spire]

Well I mean early on it wasn’t fully implemented but you could also tell

[brave comet]

that legit happened to me

[spice spire]

Banned

Deleted

Reported

[thorn thorn]

Even without it being implemented if you knew what to look for they still stood out

And they did

cuz they were trash

[thorn thorn]

Dont hate

Im a shitposter do you really expect me to play a real spec

Smh

[spice spire]

I’m literally a hater

Also

Yeah

I’m a shit poster too and I play this gabagool spec

[thorn thorn]

Real

[fallow canopy]

don't be a hater be a lover

[haughty flicker]

hes both

and hes very good at both

[spice spire]

True

Just ask ur pops

[thorn thorn]

You gotta be a certain level of both to be a certified log reviewer

[cinder bone]

anybody else wish vault day was monday?

[fallen fern]

i've been playing sub but the rotation irritates me. is it worth to switch to assassin? how's it performing?

[tawdry halo]

Assassin good in raid

Assassin also good in M+, with high AOE damage but low ST compared to sub

to be honest though, the spec philosophy is relatively similar - you do big dam during major CDs, and have slower patches outside of these CDs (though the peaks and troughs are much less extreme than sub)

[fallen fern]

that's what i was thinking, out of cooldowns as sub i hit like a limp noodle. it seems ass would at least keep a little consistent damage tho. no?

[tawdry halo]

yes

just try it out

[fallen fern]

i tried it in raid, because i was lacking crit and was not well versed in the rotation my damage was much lower but the rotation felt alot smoother

[spice spire]

That’ll be my next name

[tawdry halo]

idk what to tell you

keep trying

if you like it the gear will come, and you'll get better as long as you try

[runic hinge]

Are the barrels on Richard Reverberations gripable

[buoyant herald]

Rotation is a lot smoother id say, I like to play sub when we start a new boss so im at the top, then assass as we get close to a kill so my execute takes me to the top, that way your guild will think you’re a pumper 👌

[tawdry halo]

Your guild thinks you're a pumper because you optimise
My guild thinks I'm a pumper because they're all bad at the game
we are not the same

[thorn thorn]

Certified Log Reviewer?

[runic hinge]

More like certified hog reviewer

[runic hinge]

Very relatable

[tawdry halo]

AOTC guild lyf

don't have time for mythic

so here we are

[thorn thorn]

Co-signed because that was some real shit you just said

[coral ibex]

finding a guild where you don't feel like the only able bodied person playing in the wrong league is important

[tawdry halo]

I have 2-3 other people who are in my position

we push higher keys other nights

it's fine

[coral ibex]

sounds like you have 3-4 people who should find a new guild together

[cerulean walrus]

I mean you can join 6 hour mythic guilds

Hell even 4 hour mythic guilds exist

[tawdry halo]

My guild's a rare 1 night a week guild in OCE

[thorn thorn]

Also some people just arent interested in mythic raiding

[runic hinge]

I am a one night a week aotc guild as well

[tawdry halo]

oh man

I hope you're not the other rogue in my guild

[runic hinge]

lol I’m on NA

My guild has good people but some are just along for the ride. And it’s fine. I think they’re all pretty cool and it’s fun seeing my name at the top of details on every boss

[tawdry halo]

Yeah same here

They're not too sweaty, and despite my heavy presence here in the middle of a work day, I have other things to do outside of WOW most nights

[thorn thorn]

The real endgame is finding a vibe guild to enjoy the game with and vibe

I decided pretty early on Mythic raiding wasnt for me so now I just bum around casual guilds and enjoy the chaos that comes with it

[tawdry halo]

I worked out early not to become an officer in these guilds

[storm forum]

should i play my rogue or maplestory this tier?

[tawdry halo]

too much drama

[thorn thorn]

I used to raid lead in Amirdrassil and decided quickly I would never do that again

[tawdry halo]

I last raid led in Antorus / Uldir

came to the same conclusion

[thorn thorn]

It was late aberrus to early amirdrassil

[tawdry halo]

Now i just say RLs are idiots and call it a day

[thorn thorn]

Fyrakk was the primary reason tho

I wanted to die unironically

[balmy condor]

raiding with sweats isn't fun

[thorn thorn]

Wrangling a group of casuals through heroic fyrakk is an experience

[coral ibex]

what if we're sweating because its really warm out and our A/C isn't working

[tawdry halo]

AOTC g'huun was definitely something

[balmy condor]

australia moment

[thorn thorn]

Gamer Grease

[tawdry halo]

come down under

its hot

we're hot

it's great

[coral ibex]

i use my pc as a space heater in the winter but then in the summer i suffer big time

[thorn thorn]

"Alright people we only need 3 seeds to survive the final phase"

I wish I was kidding when I say for the majority of pulls there was at least 2 seeds that were just left unattended

[tawdry halo]

[thorn thorn]

But I aint gotta worry about it anymore

I just listen to my RL call people idiots

[tawdry halo]

worst thing I ever said as RL and it was during G'Huun heroic

[runic hinge]

Rogue so we can hold hands on raider.io

[storm forum]

ok

[tawdry halo]

"come on guys. be better"
in the most disappointed dad voice you ever heard

[storm forum]

615 ilvl Lanille coming out of retirement

[thorn thorn]

She has a great way of motivating people to not do stupid things

"If you die to -mechanic-, 10k gold in guild bank"

[tawdry halo]

I'd love to implement that

we have people who only seem to have 500g to their name at any time

[thorn thorn]

But now I just watch as the rogue in my guild parses single digits every boss

[tawdry halo]

[tawdry halo]

[cerulean burrow]

hey..... i notice in pure single target fights ill doa bunch of damage for the first minute of the fight then ill become mana starved and everyone else will slowly come up over me on the damage meter and my damage will slowly go down

am i not usign thistle tea correctl;y ?

[tawdry halo]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tawdry halo]

is this in M+?

or in raid?

[thorn thorn]

[tawdry halo]

Makes the other rogue in my guild look like a god

[thorn thorn]

oh no

He is a chill guy at least

[tawdry halo]

Surely this guy was dead the whole fight?

[thorn thorn]

Im like 90% sure he does bad cuz he is baked out of this world

[tawdry halo]

or missing any tier?

any no trinkets?

[thorn thorn]

[tawdry halo]

and his lowest ilvl item is his MH dagger for some reason?

[thorn thorn]

No to all of the above

[tawdry halo]

[balmy condor]

me play sub

sub cooldown class

cooldown on cooldown

[thorn thorn]

He was playing Sin

[tawdry halo]

[balmy condor]

okay well

idk how you can fuck that up

[thorn thorn]

But he decided to swap to sub because it "was doing better" than sin

[cerulean burrow]

raid single target fight

[thorn thorn]

Trust me his sin play wasnt any better

[tawdry halo]

Assassin damage spikes every 2min with deathmark

[thorn thorn]

They wanted to do mythic so I told RL that if any dps were noticably below me (aug) they need bench or rehab

[tawdry halo]

so just do your CDs properly, and keep your bleeds up, and you're like 90% there

[thorn thorn]

Probably both

[tawdry halo]

This season?

or last?

[thorn thorn]

This season

After aug was nerfed hard enough to do tank adjacent dam

[tawdry halo]

Yeah

[thorn thorn]

Best part is im beating 2 or 3 dps on average

[tawdry halo]

Turns out, some people just play the game for fun

and for them, being good at the game =/= having fun playing the game

worst combo though is

super bad at the game

and super toxic when you're progging slowly

[thorn thorn]

Oh I just dont have time for those people

[tawdry halo]

nah neither - I gquit if I see one

[thorn thorn]

I dont gquit unless its GM or officer

But I dont have an issue speaking out and being the bad guy to make shitty people gquit

[tawdry halo]

need more people like you

[cerulean burrow]

what is this macro ? how does it work ? is it useful ?

[balmy condor]

it's the macro you're supposed to use for tea

[thorn thorn]

It macros tea to shiv, it macros tea to shiv, and.... it macros tea to shiv

[cerulean burrow]

hmm okay

ill have to use it

[tawdry halo]

and doesn't accidentally use tea twice if you spam press it a couple of times

[cerulean burrow]

i dont fully understand but ill have to try it

[cerulean walrus]

Basically you

[balmy condor]

it casts tea and shiv together

[cerulean walrus]

Shivvy shiv

[balmy condor]

and that's good

[cerulean walrus]

And then sippy sippy

[balmy condor]

and you want to do that

[cerulean burrow]

okay

[cerulean walrus]

At the same time

[cerulean burrow]

i didnt know tea and shiv should always be used together

[cerulean walrus]

Shiv and sip

Sippy sippy

[cerulean burrow]

so thats good to know

[cerulean walrus]

Good drink

Tea good yes

[tawdry halo]

if you haven't, I'd read the guides and the pins

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorn thorn]

From a key, Protpal and Aug highest dam in key, the shaman was playing ele and was a previous guildie tryna talk about me playing a passenger princess spec

I told him he was right but at least I wasnt a dollar tree shaman

[tawdry halo]

Hey woah

[thorn thorn]

Dude had a straight up aneurism for some reason

[tawdry halo]

Did he unbind ascendance?

[thorn thorn]

No

It was just garbage at the game

[tawdry halo]

ICANT

I run with an ele shaman who's in a similar position to me

we literally pull around his ascendance CD

I just dont understand what I'm seeing there

[cerulean burrow]

ah i see if we use them on cd then eventually we end up getting a shiv by its self without tea

then it will line back up again perfectly after

[balmy condor]

what

[cerulean burrow]

i noticed iff i use tea and shiv

in opener

they both line up again

[balmy condor]

well yeah, kingsbane and tea are both 1 min cooldowns

[tawdry halo]

you can literally unbind tea

and forget it exists

just use that macro

and you're good

[cerulean burrow]

yeah ive read it im just slow idk

[cerulean burrow]

okay

[tawdry halo]

All good, you'd just be surprised at how many people don't do that

[novel star]

new tier same tea

[cerulean burrow]

ill get used to the ways of taking the good sip

[celest helm]

attempting to make assa work for Rik Reverb, feels like i dont have alot of add damage here, raidleader asked for more but just not sure if i should just bite the bullet and do sub?

[tawdry halo]

tell your RL that you are king of boss damage

[balmy condor]

more caustic

[celest helm]

is it worth tabbing the adds for like ruptures? or just pump into KBs on boss

[thorn thorn]

Didnt use ascendance properly

During ascendance windows in aoe he was capping at 1.2m

[balmy condor]

adds die too quick probably

[celest helm]

i know theres a haste buff but that doesnt really seem worth for us

[runic hinge]

Can you grip in the barrels

[tawdry halo]

just focus boss, and you'll get some good cleave with caustic as long as the adds are gripped in / etc.

but you should try to explain to your RL that switching off the boss is an overall DPS loss when the adds die so quickly

(Challenge: impossible)

[tawdry halo]

[haughty flicker]

just swap for a couple of pulls, link details showing you doing bottom add damage bc you swapped, then go back to hitting boss

[cerulean burrow]

so.... at that very first shiv in the cooldown sequence do I use the shiv thistle tea macro ? or do i just use shiv at the beginning and then use the thistle tea shiv macro at that second part ?

[balmy condor]

you use the macro

always macro

[cerulean burrow]

okay

[celest helm]

RL looked at the WCL of the sub rogues using the cursed timing to just omega padd the adds down

[haughty flicker]

tell him to pad dn

if your raid needs barrel damage this badly i think there may be other problems

[tawdry halo]

sounds like they have it handled

[haughty flicker]

especially melee barrels

[storm forum]

Lanille does tank damage

[haughty flicker]

same

[tawdry halo]

[cerulean burrow]

are these in the right weapon slots?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean burrow]

okay

thx

[storm forum]

i just realized im going to need to get gilded crests to craft, im doomed

[runic hinge]

tier 11 delves are easy 31 a week

[cerulean burrow]

just go aoe spec and spam 7's

with your friends

[vale aspen]

is assaination good enough to find groups or will i just get flamed for not playing sub as a returning player.

sub

[slow echo]

You'll be fine

[tawdry halo]

Assassin is fine

frankly, if you have to ask this question then any spec you play will probably be fine

can't say the same for the community

[vale aspen]

ty

i hate sub action bar jank. soo id prefer to stay away from it

[slow echo]

Can you get titan disc fragments from M+?

[runic hinge]

no

[slow echo]

What about raid?

[haughty flicker]

no

[slow echo]

Appreciate it

[celest helm]

shoutout the home team thanks for the feedback

[daring hamlet]

fantastic job - well played!

[hot blade]

wait, sorry for dumb question, but should we be running those 2 different weapon enchants?

[celest helm]

guild had me going sub for the first 20 or so pulls and i knew all we needed was some assa rogue

[daring hamlet]

showed them didn't we

[spice spire]

Not even #1. going to shame you on x smdh

(Great job king I knew you weren’t a bottom)

[celest helm]

BRO

[spice spire]

Mb the thoughts won

[balmy condor]

should double the enchants

[cerulean walrus]

@spice spire I’m going to pluck every single chest hair from your body one by one

[spice spire]

Dog I have. Lot of chest hairs

[winged sun]

Dog I have. Lot of chest hairs

[quaint spindle]

what does this trinket do for us

is anyone able to shed light on what 'call an earthen ally to aid' actually does

[buoyant herald]

seems to depend on your role, but for dps:

[quaint spindle]

so its shit copy

that explains why its in d tier lol

[buoyant herald]

ye

[quaint spindle]

only trinket ive gotten to drop this season so far

[buoyant herald]

tbh if thats all you've seen that's kinda nuts

do more delves

trinkets rain from the ceiling

[quaint spindle]

not a bad idea; T8 i assume

[buoyant herald]

yeah, you can do 4 bountiful delves a week so thats 4 chances at a champ track, 1 chance at a hero from using the map, and however many more rng warbound drops which can ALSO be trinkets, those are only vet track tho i think?

[obtuse ruin]

at what ilvl do we replace the Cyrce's Circlet with stat rings?

[tawdry halo]

[balmy condor]

never

[tawdry halo]

oh sorry, I meant

[buoyant herald]

check your self and sim the pins

[tawdry halo]

sim the pins and check your self

[severe meadow]

Sim the pin check

[unique mirage]

are sims broken for sin rogues atm for no buffs?

[tawdry halo]

Shouldn't be?

[runic hinge]

What would make you think that

[rotund oak]

stats doesnt care for sin ofc what else

[tight sparrow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

[vestal wren]

[tawdry halo]

[buoyant herald]

blizz just needs to find a way to buff simdps without affecting actual performance

[balmy condor]

yes exactly

and they also need to care about a third party open source project that they have no control or stake in

they definitely use it to tune

instead of looking at the game that they develop

and using that to tune

[rain sorrel]

In terms of doing more damage through damage over time, Does feral or Assa take the cake?

[strange python]

Same same but different

If you enjoy assa apm outside cds permanently feral is your choice

[rain sorrel]

I havent tried out assa yet so im unsure of the apm requirements haha

Basically I really enjoy DoTs, but also really like high mobility. Mainly a battleground player

Thinking of trying Feral because of both mentioned

Outlaw because the fantasy seems fun and pewpew

then assa is kind of a wild card mystery to me, dont know much about it

[tight sparrow]

Assa is great, but i am sure on the feral Druid discord they will tell you that feral ist great haha

[rain sorrel]

Yea I feel like across most games you wont find mains saying their char is op lmao

If you had to say what melee would be best at zooming around quickly in a battleground without being useless?

[tight sparrow]

Assa is great, and you need at least 1 for the Raid buff in Raids

No clue about pvp though sorry 😄

[rain sorrel]

thats fair haha

[royal lantern]

nah, i totally do it

[rain sorrel]

Yea same when something I play is actually busted lol

[royal lantern]

and feral actually is kinda good rn

biggest problem is that boomkin is really good aswell

[rain sorrel]

understandable, honestly I think what im looking for is just a class that can zip around a battleground really fast and not be useless

I think the idea of having giga movement sounds really fun

[royal lantern]

rogue is not really GIGA movement tbh

• most people here dont touch PvP tbh

[rain sorrel]

It kinda seemed like outlaw had quite a bit, but i dont really know how it compares in reality with other classes,
and yea understandable, pvp is usually not a super popular thing

[runic hinge]

Outlaw has a ton of mobility

DH might be what you’re looking for as well

[rain sorrel]

Oo i didnt think much about DH, i'll level one of those as well

Alrighty, my list for this week is Feral, Outlaw, and DH.
Ty for the suggestions 🙂

[royal lantern]

eh, outlaw needs to actually fight stuff for their high uptime

stuff like DH/Monk/Mage dont have that "restriction" and other movment tech stuff

[runic hinge]

Fatebound outlaw can hook 4 times in a row

[royal lantern]

is fatebound a thing in PvP?

[runic hinge]

Can be

I run it as assa

4 steps

[royal lantern]

cant imagine something more frustraiting, ngl

well, its PvP, why not go full stupid i gues

[runic hinge]

You don’t care about capstone. Just hope for tails damage

And don’t have to track your mark

[rain sorrel]

the sad thing about mage is I wanna hit people in melee lmao

[ripe carbon]

if u have 2 rogues in raid is it worth 1 going mind numbing and other atrophic?

[buoyant herald]

always

it's free

[quiet oar]

Doesnt Atrophic stack

or was this fixed

[balmy condor]

it got fixed

[sharp viper]

when was that even?

[balmy condor]

the fix or the bug

[sharp viper]

bug

[balmy condor]

10.0

[subtle tundra]

tralallalallalalalalal

[sharp viper]

TIL something new

[subtle tundra]

FUCKING SHOOT ME

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[balmy condor]

they fixed it going into 11.0

alongside the kingsbane stacking thing in aoe

[subtle tundra]

I CANT FUCKING DO THIS ANYMORE

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-fulltummy-yum-satisfied-cat-gif-14796469348500438974

[sharp viper]

sounds like a big bug, probably only benefit for blizzard is that barely anyone runs more than 2 *rogues

[subtle tundra]

this has become me

[sharp viper]

[rotund oak]

it doesnt matter all that much

[quiet oar]

sadge

[amber brook]

For vexxie do we hold cds until plating breaks or full send

[sharp viper]

ideally your raid should be able to break 6 platins within 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

yeh depends if your raid is garbage but typically holding for the plates is worth it

can get off a kingsbane on pull

[sharp viper]

took my raid way over 2 minutes to break plates

[tawdry halo]

[dawn seal]

I think u hold unless u plan it cuz if they try to break it asap it will be like 1.30

[sharp viper]

people didn't deliver the oil and didn't clear the oil

[balmy condor]

yeah 1:30 sounds about right

[dawn seal]

But if tue raid plan is to break the boss at 2 min u can send it

[buoyant herald]

seen a few guides say wait until his energy is nearly full so all the 2min classes get cds back

[tawdry halo]

Hmm

Wonder if my RL has read those

Probably not

[buoyant herald]

probably depends on comp

[balmy condor]

I would be surprised to see how many guilds actually hold

Boss is so piss easy I would assume any competent raid lead just wouldn’t give a shit and any dumbfuck raid lead just wouldn’t know or think about it

[buoyant herald]

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[amber brook]

Exactly this

[dawn seal]

Does anyone have time for a log review

[subtle tundra]

sure bud, frost or fire?

[dawn seal]

Assasination

[golden loom]

frostfire arcane

[dawn seal]

[humble cradle]

For bleed build when you’re carrying dn from pack to pack, after spreading garrotes and ruptures on the new pack does ct take priority over max cp envenom to apply mark or not?

[rotund oak]

u actually performed fusion between two specs

but ye frostfire fire is the cook

SF isnt bad though

its jsut that SK has so much more ST dmg

[balmy condor]

You’d want to probably just ambush regardless tbh but the envenom to apply mark would take prio

Mark is very good

[fair hearth]

Hello everyone,

I'm a French rogue player specializing in assassination (Rogbot - EU-Dalaran).
I've read and watched every possible guide on rogue to try to improve my DPS. I think I'm following the DPS cycle fairly well. Sometimes I don't refresh my garrotes and ruptures at the right time or cast an envenom when I should have applied my bleeds, but this is becoming increasingly rare.
I'm the only rogue in my raid group. However, I've played with other rogues, like last night, and every time, my DPS is really low compared to them.
I compared the logs from last night's try on Stix and I don't understand the difference between me and the other rogue.
All my attacks seem less powerful, yet I didn't feel like I had low gear. For example:
I cast 44 Envenoms for 237K damage, he casts 45 for 401K. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Here is the link of the logs
Other rogue : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyfVhnGTkF19qtYP?fight=15&type=damage-done&source=132
Me : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyfVhnGTkF19qtYP?fight=15&type=damage-done&source=2

Can anyone help me improve?

[subtle tundra]

omg another french

[warm lantern]

stix must be the worst boss to compare at

[subtle tundra]

he can still play badly

[buoyant herald]

not a bad aotc kill 😄

[grim jay]

the real last boss is finding decent healers in m+

[warm vortex]

Maybe the decent healers were the friends we made along the way

[grim jay]

they are all offline

[warm vortex]

Also

I thought the madness at un'goro event would be cool but it's literally just some world buffs???

[subtle tundra]

buddy world content in wow is a meme

[royal lantern]

ofc they are, its monday 11:58am, people are at work

[tawny geyser]

Giga! 🙂 gz
I also did my first kill on Mythic Ansurek with 91, was pretty happy about it.

[coarse sedge]

Yooo bros, anyone knows why my sim is worse with 4p then it is with 2+2p? I can't understand it fr

[subtle tundra]

cause its less damage

[tawny geyser]

Its normal. You need all 4p at 665 then it becomes a bit better, until then just wear 2+2

[coarse sedge]

Damn is the 4p so shit lol

[worn sorrel]

how do i get 2+2 if i didnt play last season?

[royal lantern]

4p kinda bad, old 2p is good

[subtle tundra]

simply put, you dont

[tawny geyser]

Then you’re just forced to play 4p 😁

[royal lantern]

you dont and just use 4p

[tawny geyser]

I mean at some point we will all be wearing 4p its just the ilvl difference atm

[worn sorrel]

The opener for aoe in m+ is:

ambush garrote garrote rupture rupture fan CT then burst in single target with caustic?

[tawny geyser]

You want to mutilate first before CT to get caustic going

Depends on the situation

[worn sorrel]

In general caustic is more important than CT?

[subtle tundra]

you wanna mutilate before you start envenoming

not CT

[tawny geyser]

Caustic is my highest, so I believe yes.
Currently I’m doing around 3.5 mil overall in Meadery for example and Caustic is above all else.

[subtle tundra]

caustic does nothing if you dont envenom/kb bud

[tawny geyser]

Exactly

[subtle tundra]

yeah?

and you said mutilate before CT

whats your logic then

you mutilate when you wanna start envenoming

[worn sorrel]

Also, how do you play around the hero talent? It seems a bit confusing

You just ambush and let it there? Anything else to do? (apart from max cp envenom later on)

[blazing pumice]

get frustrated when it falls off

[worn sorrel]

What does this mean?

Like enemy dies before you get your 3 stacks out?

[blazing pumice]

the 3 stacks don't matter

and no, i mean like stuff eats your dm

like the first boss of top

[red schooner]

God damn flowers on third boss of workshop

I'll just send a DN envenom on this dude.... Aaaaand it's gone

[worn sorrel]

how does that happen? huh

[blazing pumice]

usually it is when a mob despawns rather than dies

[subtle tundra]

games bugged

and shite

and blizzard doesnt care

and they only care about releasing content

[worn sorrel]

i see yeah

Monk has a bug that cancells your whole hero talent too, not fun

[subtle tundra]

hey not just the talent

all channels

and it has to re-press the COC otherwise they might not get the buff after it

games great

[worn sorrel]

yep

[subtle tundra]

but they will release another 70 euro mount pack

[red schooner]

They must have made a killing on those, half my guild bought one

[grim jay]

not those

they are full on m+ andys

no work

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[manic quartz]

@balmy condor I'm using your plater and im noticing that inside the raid the nameplates change position oddly, they go very high up from the mob, is this something in my end or intentional

[willow falcon]

love em some 99s on prog kills

thanks rogue discord, couldn't do it without you

[nova aspen]

affliction lock at 2 mil dps on that fight is a blue parse

[deep gyro]

[earnest remnant]

that aint just a 99 bud, thats rank 3

keep that shit up, you blastin

[willow falcon]

was a 98 before it locked in lmao didnt expect it to be that high of a rank tbh but i guess it's only 200 sin parses on this boss so far

i'll take trash panda seal of approval any day of the week thanks

[frigid kestrel]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[brazen cypress]

is it bad i hate how assassination feels in aoe lmao

[grim jay]

well you just dont like the spec then

nothing crazy

[brazen cypress]

single target + cleave feels so satisfying though :[

[acoustic roost]

I dunno, with IC spreading garrotes w/silences, ruptures and CT then slamming Spatter envenoms is pretty satisfying to me

[brazen cypress]

maybe its just too low of keys?

[red schooner]

What key levels are you running?

Because if it's low keys, try the bleed build out

[brazen cypress]

tried a +5

[red schooner]

And watch as sudden demise just pops half of your mobs

[brazen cypress]

felt like everything was dying before i could get everything going

[red schooner]

That's normal in a 5 unfortunately

[pliant flame]

Yeah! The higher the key level the more valuable you become I feel! If you keep your bleeds up and combine a vanish or shadowmeld i hit far more than 10mill dps on certain packs ´, thats satisfying.

If the mobs stay alive for a bit the true potential show, Low keys, before anything really ticks, the mobs are dead

[dapper halo]

im afraid of tuning hotfixes

[strange sleet]

Bleed build is OP as fuck in low keys

specially this week being fortified

Will suck more in Tyranical because ST dps is horrible

but rn is rly good

[pure moth]

What lvl would you stop using bleed

[strange sleet]

Depends on your party tbh

[hidden torrent]

13s

[golden loom]

what do you mean by this week being fortified? I thought both are always active at a certain key level

[compact flame]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange sleet]

Isn't it +10 or something?

maybe even 12?

[golden loom]

yeah but its not a weekly thing

its just always

[hidden torrent]

pretty sure it's 10

[strange sleet]

He mentioned a +5

[hidden torrent]

if my man is in a 5, just play what you enjoy

[strange sleet]

He will not enjoy kingsbane in a +5

[warm vortex]

Tried to pug an 11

Wipe first pull

disband

[broken chasm]

Could you send me the talents you use?

[warm vortex]

Love hosting my own keys

[warm vortex]

It's on wowhead

[strange sleet]

yes, the basic bleed build

btw, bleed build is busted in Timewalking dungeon too. I had Sudden Demise doing 30% of my dmg in pulls 🤣

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[nova aspen]

we tried to do a 12 priory with a pug tank

he stood in the spear on the first boss

died then left the group

[warm vortex]

lol

[nova aspen]

up to that point it was basically a perfect run

[dapper cradle]

absolute classic move

I call it the LatAm Gambit

[nova aspen]

i mean we even had a brez available

[dapper cradle]

Ragnaros JAJA tank joins your key

[nova aspen]

my jumper cables went off the same time he left

[dapper cradle]

Folds on first tank buster

And goes offline

Brilliant move

You're either getting a giga rank 1 tank

Or an absolute troglodyte mouth breather

when you invite latam tanks

idk man there's literally no in between

[nova aspen]

yea its rough out there

makes me want to play vdh

shit looks fun

waiting for the next round of tuning to come in before i start gearing my first alt

first and only alt*

[warm vortex]

Tbh i need 2 more to get all 3 10 slots but im so unhappy after that happened

I need to get some jumper cables though

[timid bramble]

Even if nobody is logging, there should still be a record of it, right?

Like even when someone forgets to log - theres still shows that the boss was killed.

[strange sleet]

But that is because of the blizzard API right? Like it is displayed in the armory

[quiet junco]

Im the only rogue in my guild an they were complaining that my damage was low on the bomb crabs in the raid (stix)...the territorial bombshell . Is that acceptable as sin...or am I wrong.

[red schooner]

Do they know how sin rogue plays with splatter?

[quiet junco]

Yes. Im aware. They want me to focus them. I usually spread my rup then bounce back to boss which usually has 1 or 2 in range.

[strange sleet]

Ye basically. And even tho it is not as OP as with SP, if you can cleave of the bombs since they receive amp dmg is better for spatter

not worth if you are gonna lose other shit

or no mobs around it

[red schooner]

I mean if you hard focus on adds you'll do tank damage on adds and much much less boss damage

[strange sleet]

but if you get a nice chance it's worht

[golden loom]

idk I just cast a ct on the closest bombshell and then just hit boss

[red schooner]

Are you running a CT build on that one?

May help, more add damage without sacrificing too much in relation to boss damage

[golden loom]

its not a sacrifice

you are gaining boss damage with ct

[red schooner]

I thought it'd be a slight loss pure ST due to losing master assassin, wasn't sure how much the CT would counteract that

Either way, big CT damage on adds, good

[warm vortex]

Tbh

I miss being able to just

change 1 choice node and then cleave

[golden loom]

you miss our current talents?

[warm vortex]

I'm not playing assassination

That's what i mean X)

I miss spatter

which is something i never thought i'd say

[red schooner]

Spatter is nice though

[quiet junco]

Im running the wowhead one for that boss atm since it's new content I haven't gone off the beaten path yet still figuring bosses an what not out

[timid bramble]

the solution is make Caustic Spatter same range as Starfall 😄

[royal lantern]

no, make starfall the same range as spatter

[static glacier]

solution would be make spatter behave like blade/nimble flurry and originate from the player

but it wouldn't make thematic sense so gg enjoy target hitbox based aoe

[coral ibex]

it was recently patched to work kinda like that tho

unless i misunderstood the graphics in the pins

[dapper halo]

should i craft another dagger, or an amulet with best stats

[spice spire]

If you already have a 675+ dagger it’s the neck

[dapper halo]

i think another dagger would be more cashmoney

[spice spire]

Offhand is not a big deal

In fact it’s the lowest prio thing

While Mainhand is +++

[dapper halo]

well, i had to skimp and go for 658 since i didnt have at the time access to gilded crests

[spice spire]

Then you upgrade to 675 dagger

And craft something else

You don’t waste two sparks on daggers

[spice spire]

The bloodhound issue

God bless

[dapper halo]

so just to check, im 99.99% sure of the answer, upgrading does not consume another spark, yes?

[viscid spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dapper halo]

i have to be absolutely sure, this ui makes me think it does

[brazen cypress]

it does not

[spice spire]

It does not

[static glacier]

still tied to boss hitbox

[dapper halo]

excellent

[static glacier]

its just less cringe for massive hitbox bosses

think about it like this, I don't want to be the guy saying move the boss closer onto the adds so I can aoe them

it places the agency for our aoe on the tank, not on us

and idk about you but I dislike anything that takes agency for my spells and damage away from me and gives it to other people

no matter what you do if the mob isnt in range of the boss hitbox you are just not going to be able to spatter it

in the circle above if our hitbox was purely the blue circle that would be ideal since that's basically blade flurry

[grave osprey]

ST assa buffs when?! 🤔👀

[static glacier]

bro we're not mages chill

[dapper halo]

im very afraid of blizzs nerf bat

considering the graphs

[static glacier]

I wouldn't expect nerfs to anything but aoe tbh

[dapper halo]

the aoerupture is stronk

[static glacier]

ct mainly tbh

[timid bramble]

in mythic raid we are #11

[errant hawk]

thanks for share your platers guys, you are the goats 🙏

[royal lantern]

not really rupture

its mainly that they buffed CT for some reason

and assa is not really a problematic spec rn

[placid adder]

Guess you haven’t seen ret aoe

Or uh

[vestal cliff]

i got mythic tset shoulders in vault, since i will use them the rest of the season is it worth it to upgrade them to 6/6 ?

[static glacier]

idk, I don't lose to ret in aoe

their aoe is bursty but they struggle if mobs start not being stacked

[placid adder]

You haven’t played with a good one than imo

[static glacier]

bro there is no good one

the spec is easy as shit

our guild's ret is like 3.1 now or something

[placid adder]

Just bc it’s easy

Doesn’t mean ppl can still play it

[static glacier]

the spec just isn't tuned that well atm

enh is better than ret for overall tbh

[placid adder]

Emp hammer does tons of dmg

[static glacier]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

on average we should be winning overall

consider that with 5x the runs of other specs the best ret log for the 11-16 range is still lower

[royal lantern]

good rets dont exist

[static glacier]

if ret won overall our spec would litterally be dogshit pointless to play

ALL we do is aoe

unholy atleast has the caveat that it needs v large pulls

nvm our ret is 3.2

either way the spec is competitive, but it doesn't beat sin

[grave osprey]

Boomies are probably the best aoe atm

Up there with fire mage and maybe ele sham

[static glacier]

mass aoe topend is boomie, uh, ele sham with cds

fire too

destro

I want to say BM

[grave osprey]

So i would be baffled if assa AoE got nerfed

To any degree

[static glacier]

I think what might happen is they nerf ct and buff st in keys

we're back to pressing it in st in amp-less builds

[grave osprey]

I wouldnt mind that but aoe doesnt need a nerf unless they nerf fire, boomie, and ele sham subsequently

[static glacier]

what makes sin unique is our aoe isn't gated by cds like the other classes

[royal lantern]

ye

[grave osprey]

Because all of those specs crank in AoE AND St too

[royal lantern]

assa has strong consistent aoe

[grave osprey]

Facts

[static glacier]

we can do cd-level burst every single pull if allowed to restealth, failing that a vanish charge works

[royal lantern]

while most others need cds

[static glacier]

meanwhile our pure st

[grave osprey]

Very valid point.

[spice surge]

Boomy definitely does not crank on ST

[royal lantern]

like, the ele shaman will smoke you on pull 1

you "win" on pull 2-3

[static glacier]

end of candle king

its competitive witht sub, cd timers might have a part to play but I don't see sin coming close

[grave osprey]

Ct nerf + ST buff would be a good exchange then.

[rotund oak]

buff bleeds

[placid adder]

What are you buffing envenom?

[rotund oak]

more

[placid adder]

lol

[static glacier]

unironically mutilate

only simple way to buff pure st without it going into aoe

[gritty laurel]

buff envenom it's too weak, i only hit for 10mil+ occasionally

[grave osprey]

Buff deathmark and envenom hehe

[static glacier]

since we don't use VV bc of hero trees

[rotund oak]

u should see how sectech hits

[static glacier]

also mut hits like the wettest noodle

[grave osprey]

The wettest noodle in all the land

[placid adder]

Uncap kingsbane

[rotund oak]

aoe KB

coz why not

[grave osprey]

Like make kingsbane spread to muliple targets and get amped by caustic spatter and poison bombs? Naa that would kill bleed spec

[static glacier]

nah, capping kingsbane was best change they ever made

made us finally put pi out of the picture

disgusting spell

[grave osprey]

But i wanna be a PI slut 😌

[static glacier]

the amount of times i've heard uh say "I need pi to do damage"

you don't want to be him

trust me

[mortal badger]

wrong class bud

noone wants pi here

[static glacier]

pi is a lose/lose

[gritty laurel]

i want other players in my raid to get pi so i can win anyway

[spice surge]

Thats also a 3:30 fight where the sub only used 2 cds and one of them being incredibly scuffed

[grave osprey]

I get pi’d but when i do it’s outside of my cds

[static glacier]

with it you feel normal but it brings into question if your dmg is bc of your gameplay or pi, without it you feel shit and your class can end up being nerfed due to pi then you lose it and you're turbo-guttered for a tier

[strange sleet]

Also boomie is not even close to our prio dmg

[static glacier]

thats true, I was gonna say fight ends with blades up but still my point stands, sin does like 1.3-4 here

it's not in the same ballpark

[grave osprey]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[static glacier]

maybe even less considering 3:30 is awful timing for sin

[grave osprey]

Yeah i was thinking 1.15-1.3

[static glacier]

remember these guys are v geared

likely high 650s or 660

[grave osprey]

Point is assa ST is trash 🗑️ . Luckiely i feel like there arent TOO many st bosses this season. Except DFC 🙄

[placid adder]

You aren’t 658 yet?

[grave osprey]

Workshop too actually

[grave osprey]

655 myself

[strange sleet]

yeah assa ST is trash, but you can also fix talent a little bit to have higher st

[grave osprey]

~660 on reset if lucky

[strange sleet]

like supercharger instead of subterfurge

it's around 10% ahead in ST

while still nice aoe

and prio dmg

[static glacier]

but then you brick ur aoe

[grave osprey]

Im barely doing 10s atm so my lack of ST hasnt felt like a massive crutch yet

[strange sleet]

nono

no

still strong aoe

take Sudden Demise instead of MA

just crimson

[static glacier]

homie I know what you're saying

its the shit casual plays

[strange sleet]

is around 5% less overall

compared to classic hybrid

[strange sleet]

then wtf do you say oy brick your aoe

[static glacier]

im 658 with last season neck

[static glacier]

you take the one thing sin is good at

stop winning at it

to try and be mediocre st

:l

[strange sleet]

but you don't stop winning

is still strong

[static glacier]

bro im fairly sure casual doesn't win overall

with his build

not watched it so might be wrong

but thats my hunch

tbh with you sub is the better spec for actually timing keys

[strange sleet]

well I just tuned into his stream

[static glacier]

leme tune in

[strange sleet]

he is polaying assa and winning

[grave osprey]

He streaming rn?

[static glacier]

ye

[dapper halo]

who is this he

[pastel cradle]

any dungeons you guys find most difficult for your dps?

[grave osprey]

Casualaddict

[grave osprey]

DFC probably because of many ST bosses

And small trash

[pastel cradle]

which key?

level*

[static glacier]

he isnt playing that build

was using ct in st

[grave osprey]

For that one in particular a 3 chested 9 is my best

But that dungeon has an extremely lenient timer

[pastel cradle]

ah i see, yeah that one is actually not bad for me dps wise. Its the others usually lol... where things get wiped out pretty quickly +10 and +11

[static glacier]

its not the scuffed forced induction build

@strange sleet

every time I see that build it's like 10-20% behind overall

[strange sleet]

bro no way

[grave osprey]

Hes running the build of the Gods!

[strange sleet]

is that one

[static glacier]

ye

he was playing bleed

[strange sleet]

he is not running double vanish

[static glacier]

just showed it

he is xd

[strange sleet]

oh he is, he changed to a +14

well he has doing +16 like a while ago

[static glacier]

ye was a floodgate

[grave osprey]

Hes using the bleed build in a 14?! Holy

[static glacier]

I think it probably depends on key

sin is quite good at funnel, pretty nice for 1st boss

on floodgate

[strange sleet]

yeah, but anyways. You don't brick your aoe with supercharger

is less, yes, but still strong

+9% dps in ST compared to classic hybrid build. Just simmed it

at least with my gear

[static glacier]

actually insane

that it's THAT much stronger

how long you simming

dungeon fights never go to 5m tbh

[strange sleet]

5 mins

[grave osprey]

Do 3?

[strange sleet]

I guess I could

[static glacier]

try it over 2/3m and without raid buffs perhaps

[strange sleet]

no raid buffs

[static glacier]

im still impressed it's that strong

[grave osprey]

I thought you were being sarcastic lol

[static glacier]

nah

[spice spire]

9/10% is a big deal

[static glacier]

was expecting like 3-4%

[spice spire]

Same

[static glacier]

which is still notable but a trade off

[grave osprey]

5% less overall for a 10% ST gain might be a good trade off

[static glacier]

question is how does that stack up vs sub / OL

I suspect its normally just better to switch spec

or make ur tank drag mobs onto bosses so you can funnel opener

[vale shore]

anyone else have 3 piece and having droptimizer sims say 4 piece is a down grade?

[grave osprey]

Assuming youre doing 1.2m ST you’re now doing 1.32m. Probably better to swap specs

[vale shore]

alas, poor Renzik

[spice spire]

Pins

Assuming you have 3/2?

[vale shore]

yes

[spice spire]

Yeah this is covered in the pins the

[vale shore]

so its not an upgrade until ALL the tier pieces are 662ish?

[spice spire]

You need high level 4 piece

[vale shore]

gross

[spice spire]

Until they average out

[static glacier]

spoiler||rogue character shows up and is likable / useful = instantly killed off||

[warm vortex]

Just checking

[spice spire]

Some lad had 658ish

[warm vortex]

Convincingly realistic jumper cables are the ones we use this expac right

[vale shore]

well, he didn't just show up, he has been in the game since vanilla

which is why it's puzzling he didn't get voiced lines when everyone around him did

I did like the tier 2 alternate chest piece transmog he left us though

[strange sleet]

Ok so I fucked my other sim, my apologies. It's not 10% over regular hybrid; is 10% over bleed build. 5% over hybrid in 5mins and just 2% in 3 min fight, with my current gear.

So probably not really worth forst most peopple. AoE is still competitive tho, but ofc lower.

[spice spire]

Yes

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

Here

i haven't posted this gif in a while

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-me-one-more-time-gif-4142606935083504117

[final star]

keep it that way thanks

[warm vortex]

Coward

[final star]

the only thing worse than the british are furries

[warm vortex]

Bro im literally both

[final star]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[warm vortex]

the fuck you mean

[final star]

you got hardships

and chose to add another

crazy

[spice spire]

Mf aren’t you the most British mf I know?

[warm vortex]

Wot

[spice spire]

Lil bro had chip shop updates during Covid

[final star]

What's that got to do with hating the british?

[spice spire]

Kpb aka kieron probably British

[spice spire]

Based based based based

[warm vortex]

The fish and chip shop is just where british people respawn

[vale shore]

nofink, Left-tenant, bruv. Brits have the audacity to say OUR english does not sound educated!

[spice spire]

Primordial Americans Smdh

[warm vortex]

It sounds uneducated yes

[thick juniper]

what key level should I consider about using the bleed build?

[warm vortex]

USA english sounds more primal than British english
By that
I mean both sound like godamn alien

[vale shore]

the unbridled TEMERITY! To say we sound uneducated!

[warm vortex]

Do you WANT me to bring up USA education statistics

[severe meadow]

Whenever you feel

[vale shore]

do you want to tell me what "left-tenant" means?

[thick juniper]

ok tyty

[warm vortex]

No, that's what john google is for

[runic hinge]

His voice actor is on strike so blizzard is respecting him by not putting his voice lines in game or replacing him

[spice spire]

In the immortal words of mark Twain, there are three lies in this world.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[vale shore]

is that really the reason?

[runic hinge]

Yea

[vale shore]

it was so awkward doing that questline

hopefully they put them in at some point

[runic hinge]

Maybe once he’s not on strike his vo will be back

[vale shore]

well, im NOT doing the questline again!

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

[warm vortex]

Tbh the questline was Goated

[vale shore]

the quests themselves were super basic

[warm vortex]

Bro that's what like most people praise classic wow for

Also like

99% of quests are like that tbh

[vale shore]

yeah I played through in vanilla, I was not interested in returning