assassination

[cerulean maple]

i have a #1 on normal one armed bandit 💀 pad moment (our group had awful aoe so i just got to caustic ads for like 3 years)

[buoyant herald]

then the damage breakdown hyenas to boss he was like 50/50 😂

[cerulean maple]

the ultimate letdown

very tragic

it looks pretty tho 💅

[buoyant herald]

still impressive that he's good enough to like...successfully do it tbh

without the rest of the guild holding off on them

[fleet pagoda]

i had a similar situation eranog

[fleet pagoda]

guild sucked, i griefed and irresponsibly took CT and IC to giga pad

[cerulean maple]

LMAO thats honestly valid though

have to make it fun somehow

[buoyant herald]

that's fine i mean the adds do need to die

[golden loom]

If you are running IC in raid you should be dq'ed

[fleet pagoda]

should be

[cerulean maple]

1.8m but only 1.2m on boss dmg even though i was funneling like crazy

but when the 2nd person after you has barely more than half ur dmg you know its cooked

[balmy condor]

holy lethality poggers

[cerulean maple]

yall arent running lethality???

[golden loom]

Helll nah

[cerulean maple]

oh god

[buoyant herald]

there's your extra 6% right there 😉

[golden loom]

Lethality in the dumpster right along viscious venoms

[cerulean maple]

no fucking shot the reason i was parsing like 90-94% consistently in s1 but never more was because i've had the wrong fucking talent in class tree this whole time

you have to be joking

right

[golden loom]

Well probably not

[cerulean maple]

yea no also skill issue

but

anyway

thats what i get for making my own build 😭 i should be shot

[fleet pagoda]

probably moreso affected by those long ass kill times than a couple class tree picks

[golden loom]

Well making your own stuff is probably fun

[fleet pagoda]

zoldyck can only put in so much work

[golden loom]

So yeah shot for sure

[cerulean maple]

it is fun
but i also simmed like 30 different build variations so i was pretty confident i had it right

glanced over the wowhead build

seemed the same

never cheecked again,,,

[buoyant herald]

i don't think that even comes close to accounting for the extra dps you'd need to go from a 94 to a 98

[golden loom]

Forced induction big dam

[buoyant herald]

more exciting too

[cerulean maple]

probably not no lmao but i'm sure it's not helping me parse

[buoyant herald]

it's really just the balance between like

how much effort is involved in fixing talents? almost none

how much effort is involved in getting better? idk maybe hit the dummies, practice your opener for half an hour or something

how much effort is involved in getting better gear? well ackchually my bis trinket comes from this dungeon so im gonna farm that for 12 hours for a 0.2% sim dps increase

[cerulean maple]

oh i mean im like hardcore sweating im just probably still making a lot of mistakes i don't realize

When i unrust i'll send osme logs sometime

when i started again in the tail end of df s4 i spent hours just reading and training dummy maxxing / raiding on assa and outlaw jknsgnkjs

[buoyant herald]

there are people far more qualified than me to give log help 😂

[cerulean maple]

wait so the wording implies that instead of getting the 2 cp boost for finisher once yoou get it twice? or

[buoyant herald]

i just research a lot but im old and washed and my execution is bad 😂

[cerulean maple]

honestly i mean ill sim it but foregoing lethality for this + forced induction seems like a nobrainer and idk what i was cooking tbh

[fleet pagoda]

you get two finishers that are supercharged instead of one, yeah

[cerulean maple]

so basically 12 free cp during burst window?

[fleet pagoda]

nah

it's whatever your cp is +2

[cerulean maple]

with forced induction i mean

or does that just increase damage

not actual cp needed

for eg. deathstalker proc

[fleet pagoda]

each charge empowers your finisher independently of the other charge, each one adds +2 cp to whatever your pressing

so if you have 5 cp on evenom it'll send as 7, but won't consume Darknest Night (I think)

just plug the talent and go hit a dummy, might be more intuitive there

[haughty flicker]

You legit ignore it

Just play as normal and get free damage

Only time it plays into anything is dry shiv but even then all you need to know is press shiv

[fleet pagoda]

true. doesn't hurt to understand where that damage is coming from, i think that's all they're after

[runic hinge]

with FI it's +3 combo points

[cerulean maple]

it does tho, it also makes 3cp finishers count as 5cp for the purpose of darkest night stacking

[golden loom]

You ignore that you have it rotation wise but its just big dam

[fleet pagoda]

oh my bad I missed that forced induction specific

[cerulean maple]

i was just not sure ab FI

[golden loom]

You still build to 5+/7

[cerulean maple]

oh fr

[haughty flicker]

It does play towards dn yes but it doesn’t change spender rules

[golden loom]

Its just added big dam

[cerulean maple]

whale
the more you know

[runic hinge]

you can use it to consume DN but I just don't think about it, except i used to on queen opener only

[golden loom]

Also the basis for dry shiv is getting a 10 point darkest night during lingering darkness

[cerulean maple]

so what's the reason for this exactly? is the extra damage of higher cp finisher worth it if you need to use 1 less builder to build towards it (basically minmaxing builder energy usage to damage ratio)?

[haughty flicker]

You’d have to ask smarter people than me I just do what whispyr tells me to

[cerulean maple]

@balmy condor if you have time

[buoyant herald]

funny story. i just checked and for SOME REASON i had 1 (????) point in lethality instead of forced induction in my single target build 😂

[golden loom]

The math just results to = play like you dont have it but it does big dam

[buoyant herald]

must have been using an old import and not updated for this season i guess

[cerulean maple]

i think right after the big assa changes people were still considering lethality a valid option

and we ran with it

but then it turned out to be worse

[runic hinge]

it was also bugged

to double dip

on kb

[balmy condor]

what I do

[cerulean maple]

i trust yall and i will adjust how i play based on this advice but i also highkey just love understanding why
math is fun

[golden loom]

Yeah it double dipped for Kingsbane

[cerulean maple]

see a bit above where i pinged

[balmy condor]

big envenom big dam

little lethality little dam

[cerulean maple]

oh no i mean like

[runic hinge]

why is it better to not play around supercharger basically if you can advance your mark 1 builder sooner

[balmy condor]

oh

[cerulean maple]

yeah ^

[balmy condor]

big envenom big dam

[runic hinge]

REAL

[balmy condor]

you're in shiv when you have supercharger

so you want big envenom

[cerulean maple]

is it just because using 2 builders but getting extra dmg for the finisher is more energy-to-damage-ratio efficient overall as opposed to using 1 bulder, 1 finisher, repeat (basically 5cp vs 7/more cp env)

oh-

[balmy condor]

sure whatever

[cerulean maple]

i mean yeah that makes sense

[balmy condor]

we're just stacking all the multipliers together

that's why the driv shiv works

[gritty laurel]

big juicy stackers

[golden loom]

🐍 big poison damage

[fleet pagoda]

driv shiv new name just dropped

[golden loom]

New old nameq

[cerulean maple]

i was just trying to think of why slower bigger envenom would be better than faster smaller envenoms during / due to supercharge

[balmy condor]

[cerulean maple]

since you get to next dn proc quicker that way etc

[balmy condor]

yeah sure but most of the time your dn will also be a supercharger

[golden loom]

Smaller envenoms = more shit abilites cast compared to big fatty envenoms

[balmy condor]

10cp envenoms

[cerulean maple]

thats what i was trying to express here

[balmy condor]

hit hard

big kaboom

[cerulean maple]

yeah real

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[golden loom]

25 killstreak unlocks Tactical envenom bomb

[balmy condor]

but yeh, supercharger just better in a world where envenoms do more than a kingsbane cast

[cerulean maple]

i was playing under the assumption that building dn faster / using supercharge to stack faster (5/6cp envs) would be bigger dps overall but i will be looking forward to big chungus 10cp env now

[cerulean maple]

real

we envenoming here

i miss old kb stacking to 99 or whatever it was

[balmy condor]

yah

[vestal geyser]

!tierbreak

[prisma monolith]

Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a powerful gain. The new 4 piece will require more item level, most likely not being replaced until at least Hero track. Sim yourself to get a better idea for your own character

[balmy condor]

and also stacking off of poisons applied to other targets

and also double dipping lethality

[golden loom]

Kingsbane is outshined by both big envenom and big demise, what a beautiful world

[fleet pagoda]

the variance in old kb

[cerulean maple]

true

[haughty flicker]

Kingsbane haters got what they wanted

[cerulean maple]

but it made getting big ones feel so fun

[haughty flicker]

But it cost us everything

[cerulean maple]

now we're more env pilled than ever

[balmy condor]

should've pressed fok

[cerulean maple]

oh yeah whispyr while i have ur attention

actually no thats a dumb fucking question

nevermind

on the other hand. nope nevermind also a stupid question

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

Whispyr is there some crazy tech for mythic cauldron, doing it tmrw

[balmy condor]

yes

insane tech of playing caustic

[cerulean maple]

rogue 2025

[golden loom]

Any cd holding?

[jolly vault]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[golden loom]

For big boom between gorilla and dinosaur

[balmy condor]

lemme talk to my cooldown holding guy

[vestal geyser]

worth to catalyst champion gear or hold for hero gear?

[balmy condor]

doesn't seem that way

[vestal geyser]

to make 2 piece

[golden loom]

Perfect

[balmy condor]

I threw up

champ gear cata suck

:(

[cerulean maple]

withg how long it takes betwen cat charges i would say wait

[balmy condor]

you can just farm m+

for hero track cata

[vestal geyser]

thats what i thought, but the tooltip had me thinking things

[golden loom]

I am about to explode the crocodilo bombardino

[cerulean maple]

The Thinker

[balmy condor]

a person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts

so, he loses touch with reality and lives in a world of illusions

[cerulean maple]

speaking of thinking, i was gonna ask why vanish in last 6 sec for MA instead of on 2nd shiv and then i realized kb is 14s so theyre the same fucking thing

thinking is truly OP

[slate crown]

My brain is in recovery mode from all these high level ideas

[golden loom]

Yeah a world I think about holding cds is a world where the other half of the raid gets beamed

[silver escarp]

I was wondering, is signet of the priory good in M+ and then use house of card in Raid?

[balmy condor]

they do the same thing

[pliant remnant]

[golden loom]

Let him cook

[balmy condor]

just use the one you have

[silver escarp]

Cuz of the cd i mean

[balmy condor]

what about it

[golden loom]

Priory is better in a raid of 20 people signet maxxing

[balmy condor]

you macro both to deathmark

[silver escarp]

You can't use the house of card fully

[balmy condor]

?

what

you just hold it for 30 seconds and cast with deathmark

[silver escarp]

No buff to the stat if you don't use it 2 times

In trash pulls in M+

Sometimes you leave combat

[balmy condor]

okay?

[golden loom]

You are a cd class buddy

You use trinket with cds

[silver escarp]

So signet could be a bit more useful in M+ ?

[balmy condor]

it's a buff to the minimum anyways

sure man

signet is better

[buoyant herald]

they both do the EXACT same thing for all intents and purposes

[balmy condor]

yes

[silver escarp]

I know i know, it was just a thought about min-maxing that's all

[balmy condor]

get signet

very strong

[silver escarp]

Your irony isn't necessary xD It was just a question

[buoyant herald]

which pet is best

[balmy condor]

I mean you got an answer and you didn't like it

[warm vortex]

Guys

No joke

[golden loom]

Cat

[warm vortex]

Repair hammers, and mounts with repairs

[silver escarp]

No i just precised what i said...

[balmy condor]

they

are

equal

[warm vortex]

The repairs on them cost more than vendor repairs

[balmy condor]

pick

one

[silver escarp]

Okay okay

[warm vortex]

This is insane

[silver escarp]

jeez

[warm vortex]

Like a vendor said around 240g to repair, and an auto hammer/mount repair was 301g

??

[silver escarp]

Reputation

[balmy condor]

the taylor swift album?

[golden loom]

Yes its like 20% more expensive @warm vortex

[warm vortex]

I only just found that out

[silver escarp]

[golden loom]

Romeo save me

[cerulean maple]

do yall sim for even or odd number of minutes

[balmy condor]

sorry

what

[buoyant herald]

default is 5mins, thats what i sim

[golden loom]

U sim to compare gear

[silver escarp]

[cerulean maple]

idk im just asking whatever comes to mind atp

[golden loom]

Not to estimare damage on a boss

[warm vortex]

I sim for 20 minutes and 46 seconds

[balmy condor]

we cookin fr

[pliant remnant]

mfs losing their mind over what duration their sim should be only to end up green parsing anyway

[warm vortex]

Sim 22 minutes to see how youd do on sha of fear

[pliant remnant]

[buoyant herald]

ah, a sha of fear enjoyer

[warm vortex]

Green is generous

[golden loom]

Simming is fake

Just pick biggest ilvl and press buttons

[balmy condor]

I keep simming longer and longer durations but no matter what I do the demons always catch up

[warm vortex]

Just run faster

idiot

[balmy condor]

you're right

[golden loom]

Add sprint to the apl

[warm vortex]

To quote a great philosopher

I am legit confused what's I can't go outside i have agoraphobia I'm stuck in a bubble with black out lights and a door with no doorknob and I have my own toilet and food is brought to me I haven't left the house in 6 years.

[cerulean maple]

real asf

[balmy condor]

that was a serious consideration for that stupid momentum scroll bullshit

[buoyant herald]

it's in there for outlaw i believe

[balmy condor]

outlaw rogues were sprinting on cooldown to proc it harder

yeah

[golden loom]

Its good for outlaw isnt it

[balmy condor]

what a bunch of cringe asshats

[golden loom]

[buoyant herald]

it find it both cringe and impressive tbh

vanish is a dps cd

what other utility can we fuck with

[warm vortex]

It...

Is for assassination too

[balmy condor]

vanish has always been a dps cooldown

[buoyant herald]

? i know

[balmy condor]

idk where people get the notion that vanish is a utility cd

[golden loom]

Shadowstep Choice node over ironwire for max uptime sim when

[balmy condor]

people were vanishing for damage in vanilla

[buoyant herald]

excuse me, back in 2004...

[golden loom]

Hardcore classic and thats it

[balmy condor]

no

even back then

vanish was dps

[warm vortex]

I'm so gertting Gkicked

[buoyant herald]

do you mean to tell me i was playing rogue wrong 20 years ago

embarrassing

[golden loom]

Its strictly a hardcore thing, cant convince me otherwise

Meow

[wise bloom]

It's no a cd for outlaw, it's straight rotation might be the broader point.

[cerulean maple]

bestie u dont remember me?? we came to this server around the same time :(

didnt expect this slander

[buoyant herald]

actually doesn't trickster also have the node that makes distract make a smoke cloud that gives a dps bonus?

what else

[warm vortex]

A true rogue is one you can't trust

I mean look at whispyr

Look at him

He has no idea what's going on#

[cerulean maple]

FAKLJNFJKBWAKJFW

[lavish geyser]

does anyone know when you get the new spawnpoint in rookery?

[cerulean maple]

based whispyr moment

[balmy condor]

after jumping down from first boss

[cerulean maple]

yall dont think like this?? smh

[balmy condor]

no

[gritty laurel]

no

[cerulean maple]

i-

[balmy condor]

sims have variance I don't need to think about it

[warm vortex]

When i sim

Atm

[lavish geyser]

Cause I was thinking of just porting out for last boss, and swapping to sub. just so I can just melt shield

[thorn thorn]

Is that Demon Caustic Spatter

[warm vortex]

I'm pissed off because an MDT sim doesn't exist yet for hunter that's a standard for this season

[golden loom]

Hunt some parses

[balmy condor]

but sub wouldn't melt shield

sub waits for the shield to drop, melts boss, then afk's until next shield drop

[lavish geyser]

uuhum

[haughty flicker]

Sub would afk on shield

And use damage amp

[lavish geyser]

well its pugging

ppl wont do it

I know its better not to do it, but tbh cba

have like 7 min left most of the time anyways.

[balmy condor]

well then shouldn't you play assa on it if you want shield damage

[lavish geyser]

why?=

wont I just wanna send more stuff on cd if I have 1,5 min cds?

[subtle tundra]

cause assa is dogshit

[balmy condor]

cause slamming damage into shield is the opposite of why you would play sub

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

If you had $300 exact to spend on food for a day

what would you buy

[balmy condor]

and if you want to do shield damage then just stay assa and hit shield

[lavish geyser]

well with 1,5min cds. How is it not better then just playing assas generally on taht boss?

2 min cds seems hella clapped on that boss, if you also need to breka sheild

[balmy condor]

YOU ARE THE ONE DOING THE SHIELD BREAKING

[haughty flicker]

If you’re sending cds on shield as sub you aren’t doing damage during the amp

It’s useless

If you’re sin you do more damage outside of cds than sub

[lavish geyser]

but wouldnt it be a waste to wait 1,5 min to get the dmg phase?

[balmy condor]

no

that's the whole point

[haughty flicker]

Sub omega fucks

During that phase

[warm vortex]

Bro the initate rank in our guild is now called "Ven's a loser"

What is this hyper bullying

[haughty flicker]

Stop being a loser ig

L bozo

[storm talon]

Hi, i m doing some sims on my assassinations rogue. I m 2p + 2p atm, is it normal that i lose like 3% dps using the s2 4p ?

[haughty flicker]

Pins

[runic hinge]

Check da pins

[cerulean maple]

okay that explains a lot

[rotund marsh]

why do we fan in ST

[cerulean maple]

hero talent tree

[rotund marsh]

crit rate higher?

[left elbow]

after procing deathstalker, it gives more combo points

[rotund marsh]

ahh ok

[cerulean maple]

it empoowers it after DN proc making 1 use of it actually good in st

[left elbow]

^

[cerulean maple]

basically right after u proc ur 7cp env just fan

once

[rotund marsh]

i didnt remember that 2nd part of that passive

[cerulean maple]

bam done

[left elbow]

darkest night, my bad

[rotund marsh]

i remember the plague damage part

[haughty flicker]

Also worth using if you’re on 6 cp to get to 7 if darkest night is ready

[balmy condor]

2 monsters, a thing of ranch, a bottle of tapatio, guacamole, rice, butter, olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic powder, chili powder, sour cream, chicken, breadcrumbs, like 1 egg cause I don't need more, tortillas, refried beans, a bag of ciabatta bread and a bag of sourdough bread, a bag of grapes, a block of swiss cheese, a bag of mixed shredded cheese, and a pint of tonight-dough ben and jerry's

For breakfast we eating cheese and grapes with some toasted sourdough, then we drink the first monster, cook the rice with the butter and spices for lunch, season the chicken, make burrito for lunch. Then for dinner we egg wash and bread some chicken, we put it in the air fryer to get it crispy, take the ciabatta, toast it, mix the tapatio and chili powder and pepper with the ranch to make a spicy ranch sauce, put a bit of guacamole on the other bun, put the chicken in the middle you got yourself a spicy chicken sandwich, second monster for dinner

[haughty flicker]

Equal in raid build and a gain in m+

[balmy condor]

good question

[haughty flicker]

Nice choice for Ben and Jerry’s flavor

[runic hinge]

2 monsters in one day? My heart is too weak for that

[left elbow]

the part im struggling with is running out of energy on ST

[balmy condor]

that's the design of the spec yes

[haughty flicker]

That’s just how the spec works

[rotund marsh]

i like how that makes the energy consumption slightly less

since fan is cheaper

its very minimal though

[balmy condor]

crazy

[cerulean maple]

idk if its optimal or if its a dps loss but sometimes if im at 6cp i just fan to get to 7 instead of mut

[rotund marsh]

that makes sense

[runic hinge]

Actually what you’re supposed to do this patch

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

It’s in the pins

[cerulean maple]

oh really

[runic hinge]

[cerulean maple]

hey sometimes my intuition isnt piss fuck wrong (lethality incident)

[rotund marsh]

mutilate as a button feels kinda ass, there to proc/apply stuff and get CP

[cerulean maple]

nah mut goes hard

i had a dnd character with giant scissors as a weapon and for me mutilate has always evoked that snip snip image in my head

[rotund marsh]

lol

[runic hinge]

nothing feels better than pressing mut and getting 4 combo points

[cerulean maple]

real

instant dopamine hit

for some reason outlaw rng doesnt hit the same

[buoyant herald]

idk getting 5+ BTE resets in a row is pretty crazy

[cerulean maple]

okay thats ture

the noise for it is so satisfying too

[ashen marten]

im trying to pick up sin and my dmg breakdown from my dungeons look so wrong compared to logs i see from other people, can anyone point me in the right direction of how i could correct my dmg

[rotund marsh]

true

[buoyant herald]

not enough CT

usually CT and spatter are #1 and #2

[ashen marten]

what should i be prioritizing to get my spatter dmg up? am i focusing on bleeds to much?

[runic hinge]

what key level

[cerulean maple]

after upping ur bleeds just smash env into the caustic spattered target

[ashen marten]

this was in a 0 to practice

[cerulean maple]

also make sure to keep CT duration up for sudden demise and... just in general

[ashen marten]

thats what ive been doing, pressing env at 5+ cp but my spatter dmg is not that good

[ashen marten]

yea i let that drop a lot, thats a good point

[severe sparrow]

bet you dont even get any time to spatter lol

in a 0 things probably half dead or full dead by the time you get all set up

[ashen marten]

yea by the time i do the opener and get into the CD window the mobs are usually like under 50% hp

[severe sparrow]

bleed build does better in small keys cuz of that, but on that note i have a question about bleed build like how many bleeds? or just the good ol' 2 gar/2 rupt if youre from stealth? or is it worth to put more out

i guess that would depend on pull size/how long things gonna be alive huh

[ashen marten]

mmm ill have to try out the bleed build then

at what key level would you swap back?

[cerulean maple]

i was gonna give advice and realized i havent actually done any mythics this season

[severe sparrow]

personally feel like around 10 atm, but i havent done any 8/9 so

[cerulean maple]

what kind of 5-10s are yall running tf i always had big chungus caustic dmg even if i reupped bleeds durign bigger pulls

maybe my groups are just super ballsy

[severe sparrow]

no yeah i can get it to work but

like i get the same damage for less fucks given, i guess

in 7's anyway. i just swapped to bleeds like yesterday and was running spatter up till then

[cerulean maple]

mayb spatter b uild without ttk feels best for me just bc thats closest to dragonflight s4 aoe

completely unrelated but my ign was Leinari in a lot of games and i just realized how similar yours is nkjgsdnjkge

[severe sparrow]

i also used to run outlaw for keys before tww and having to think about what packs to go balls deep with kb/dm in is a chore i still am not good at compared to just sending everything all the time

[cerulean maple]

LMAO thats fair

[severe sparrow]

just means you got good taste i stole this from final fantasy crystal chronicles back in the day

[cerulean maple]

oh god ive never touched any ff games besides trying ffxiv for a bit

cant believe i copied an npc smh

[lost wharf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/auRgZyeriTQhiXZo3JgYi4 I've simmed Dslice on Delves and Amorphus Relic has crazy high numbers. Can anybody explain why?

[cerulean burrow]

does it matter which hand has authority of depths compared to authority of radiant power ? also which hand shoudl my higher item level dagger be in ?

[pastel cradle]

which dps work well with assa in a pug? lock and sham?

[buoyant herald]

because the bonus kicks off when you enter combat and lasts 30s, so you're proccing it like 100% of your combat time

[lost wharf]

But so does the Floodgate trinket and it sims way lower

[timber meadow]

broke into T10 assa rogues NA.. feelin smooth for like a week until it gets more annoying than fun 😦

[buoyant herald]

floodgate trinket is first ability every minute so its not the same

[tight sparrow]

Liquid killed mug zee with an assa rouge instead of sub

We are so back

[pure moth]

We were always here

[tight sparrow]

True but we were dooming

Now we can stop and rejoice

[hollow talon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[timber meadow]

people just doom man... assa is like completely fine just not the literal best st in the entire game

but iono st feels fine in raid at least were def not like bottom dwellers

[pure moth]

Even if we were top.. youll still find people dooming

[timber meadow]

nahh we were best st in game last tier, dont think people were dooming 🤣

but i hear your point loud and clear lol

[pure moth]

Lol

[spice spire]

Yeah me

[lethal heart]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

I’ll find you domming

[spice spire]

?

[cerulean walrus]

Did I stutter?

What is there to misinterpret?

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078500556139659357/1266583932426653826/attachment.gif

[buoyant herald]

people have been dooming since the sims came out and have latched onto that, ignoring how well the spec is actually performing in the raid

[haughty flicker]

But I’m not top dps on sprocketmonger

So spec bad

[buoyant herald]

i stand corrected

checkmate

[haughty flicker]

Actually I might’ve been too dps on sprocket but I got knocked back into a drill

Why didn’t the sims warn me about that

[buoyant herald]

i was top on our first sprocket kill

(as sub)

[spice spire]

Banned

[buoyant herald]

😦

[pure moth]

We dont go sub here

[pure moth]

Agreed

[arctic beacon]

How about 2 seasons of assassination compared to subtley?

[hollow talon]

clearly we should be playing outlaw not sub

[spice spire]

True

[pure moth]

Nah go away with that

[arctic beacon]

[runic hinge]

Yes. Re roll outlaw all you fotm parse chasers

[haughty flicker]

imagine having enough haste to play outlaw

couldnt be me

[lavish geyser]

is floow the blood worse then momentum of despair? or does it depend on the build? for m+ that is

[timber meadow]

speak for yourself

xD i kid i kid

[haughty flicker]

thats why i used the word I'm

[amber fossil]

would you guys mind taking a look at these 2 sims and tell me how I lost 25K dps after crafting dagger/feet?

orig https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWKAGjRngVsM8bDUTjArW4

after crafting https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8MpUDkANBGPpUKFrjiGcpo

[balmy condor]

no bloodlust

[amber fossil]

oh jesus

how in the world did you find that so fast

[runic hinge]

In whispyrs vid about bleed build there’s a section on that

[balmy condor]

"why is the better sim worse" is a very common thing

I have practice

[drifting cloud]

do you open them both and click between the tabs whispyr

[thorn thorn]

You so smart

[balmy condor]

no I side by side them

[drifting cloud]

what a nerd

[balmy condor]

I do this and then check for caustic

and then check for buffs/latest/weekly

[drifting cloud]

I checked caustic first so when I tabbed in to write lust

[balmy condor]

and then I look at gear

[runic hinge]

Wish you’d put our wow houses side by side

[drifting cloud]

I was already too late

[balmy condor]

it's a system

which reminds me actually @amber fossil stop simming on weekly you fucking dweeb it's 2025

[haughty flicker]

yeah imagine simming on weekly haha

how silly'

[amber fossil]

tf?

[runic hinge]

Sim on latest or no balls

[amber fossil]

oh I see it, never paid attention to that setting before

[lavish geyser]

clutch

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce when I get home remind me to make mouse over kick macro

[lavish geyser]

do you know roughly when that is?

[balmy condor]

If you doing any serious content you’d play momentum

Because follow the blood is insanely giga shit

[lavish geyser]

ok. well I am running momentum

[balmy condor]

Follow the blood is funny though cause it’ll snapshot for sudden demise

[lavish geyser]

been pugging so I have IW

[balmy condor]

But follow the blood past like +4 keys is realistically unplayable

[lavish geyser]

rn

doesnt read like its bad. but it just is, tuning wise or?

I thought 30% more dam would be insane, on targets lasting long

[hardy rapids]

crit is just more rewarding in the long run too isnt it?

[runic hinge]

Crit is not rewarding because I have my rng set to zero so I always crit

[balmy condor]

Yeah so like would you rather take follow the blood and get 30% damage, or take momentum and get 25% damage and also get way more combo points from fan of knives

They do the same thing but momentum just does the thing + some other thing

[lavish geyser]

if I would have know it was a 25% damage gain

then yes

[balmy condor]

It’s actually the most braindead fucking choice node I’ve ever seen

[lavish geyser]

I would have picked that talent.

[balmy condor]

Idk what blizzard was thinking

Making a choice node

[lavish geyser]

well I have it and have always run it

[balmy condor]

Of ct damn

[lavish geyser]

But never actually read the other one

before now

[balmy condor]

Vs ct dam but also fok crit

[haughty flicker]

i was confused for a bit then realized its a classic blizzard tooltip bug

[keen spruce]

When you get home make a mouse over kick macro

[runic hinge]

Thank you

[thorn thorn]

Wait people dont play with mouseover everything

[grave osprey]

At which key level should we stop using the bleed build? 🤔

[buoyant herald]

you know there's no real answer to that question

[grave osprey]

Never- got it 😎🤙🏽

[gritty sequoia]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tight sparrow]

!macros

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

I hate mouseovers

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Focus kick or nothing

Fuck mouseovers

[static glacier]

I hate that its our only way of efficiently kicking mobs while prioing something else

[spice surge]

Not super big fan either

Nameplates move around too much for it to feel good

[static glacier]

focus macroing doesn't work when a pack has 10 bazzillion casters

[balmy condor]

And you can’t even change the nameplate hitbox

[thorn thorn]

Yall are crazy ong

[static glacier]

infact can they just fucking chill out with mobs having 3 abilities each

[thorn thorn]

I use mouseover for everything

PREACH

[static glacier]

idk I just can't kick that well on rogue compared to hunter, I go from like 10-20 kicks a key to 25+ always

[spice spire]

Hello? Based department?

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda but every mob has a kick that has to be stopped every 20 seconds, so what am I going to do

[haughty flicker]

ranged kick op

[static glacier]

I play sv

[balmy condor]

“I have green” and then kick some other shit and not have it for green?

[haughty flicker]

ew

[static glacier]

issue is if i lose my mark target

[thorn thorn]

Skill issue

[haughty flicker]

thats the part i hate

[spice surge]

Focus

[static glacier]

gg like 3 globals trying to find it again

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[thorn thorn]

If you announce kick on a mark you hold kick for marked target

[balmy condor]

So focus kick

[thorn thorn]

Unless you are absolutely certain you can get an extra in

[haughty flicker]

so mouseover kick

[runic hinge]

I got duelist in arenas and I don’t have a single mouse over

[haughty flicker]

or jsut be me and dont kick

[static glacier]

focus is for md :'(, I mouseover step target kick or just manually switch target

[balmy condor]

You focus one caster, that’s your caster

[static glacier]

also

[spice surge]

And i can have its cast emphasized because its my focus

[haughty flicker]

thats the one caster everyone else in the group kicks at the exact same time you mean

[thorn thorn]

[static glacier]

priory casters just chilling in consecration

🙂

https://tenor.com/view/sapriquiebra-vamos-saprissa-lilas-que-gif-13478707

[balmy condor]

No, cause they have their own?

[haughty flicker]

ok mr i have a group

[thorn thorn]

Very common M+ player L

[runic hinge]

I think other people are worse than me pressing tab

[thorn thorn]

Most def

I dont play pvp

I only do real content

[runic hinge]

I shouldn’t either

[thorn thorn]

Like shitposting in class discords

[runic hinge]

Fun mini game

[haughty flicker]

real

[static glacier]

respect

actually playing the game? nah would rather yap here

[thorn thorn]

Exactly

I partake in a little bit of gaslighting

[static glacier]

my one wishlist item for sin atm: make iron wire baseline

[runic hinge]

I did 4.5 hours of keys already today. It’s time to relax and yap with my rogue friends

[haughty flicker]

i tried one key and dced halfway through because of gingi

that was enough for me

[static glacier]

I'd also really like arterial in a more accessible place

that or IC

[runic hinge]

I need him to keep up the ddos so I win the t3 shoulders on bmah

[thorn thorn]

Cataclysmically based statement

[static glacier]

would go a long way to making our dungeon builds less wack

[thorn thorn]

I need EU to not be salty about losing the race so I can sit in dornogal and shitpost while trying to queue

[static glacier]

never really got the region tribalism ngl

[haughty flicker]

ngl my wish is for method to win

[balmy condor]

Same

[earnest remnant]

where is the fun in that?

its fun when they are mad

[balmy condor]

Well my wish really is for anyone except echo and liquid

[thorn thorn]

Echo always mad

[balmy condor]

But that’s just method

[static glacier]

it's not like wow is the same as a regular sport's worldcup where the playerbase actually represents a country

[haughty flicker]

yeah pretty much lmao

[steep jewel]

i have a question, how rogues jump out of prison on mugzee? i cant do it, is there any trick to it?

[errant heath]

This has to be wrong right?

[balmy condor]

Big steppa

[earnest remnant]

void elf

[haughty flicker]

void elf probably

[earnest remnant]

or evoker grip

[static glacier]

we're gonna have to revoke ur rogue license if you can't get out of jail

[spice spire]

Need that

[steep jewel]

well teach me

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[static glacier]

does grapple work? guessing not

[steep jewel]

pls

[thorn thorn]

Blizz has get out of jail free card if you have coin

[steep jewel]

so only evoker grip and void elf are on the table right?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[haughty flicker]

weyrnstone gaming

that would probably work

[spice surge]

But that requires an aug so

[haughty flicker]

yeah gg

[spice surge]

I have a feeling theyll do something about that anyway

[thorn thorn]

I would run Weyrnstone if people asked

But nobody ever fucking uses them

[spice surge]

Because having one person in the goon caves and having spatter/ignite/ww clones kill them while you just hit boss definitely does not feel like the intended way of handling the mechanic

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats true

i wonder if they end up making cleave just not work through the walls

[balmy condor]

Mug’zee as a whole doesn’t feel intended

[thorn thorn]

Just delete Aug nodders

[balmy condor]

That entire boss is a disaster

[thorn thorn]

Surprised it does since the walls LoS

[haughty flicker]

yeah its weird

but then again its blizzard

there are walls in the raid that legit dont block casts on the way to oab

maybe its the same thing lmao

[thorn thorn]

Mayhaps

[spice surge]

Gally looks pretty good though, maybe not an absolute banger but solid

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[spice surge]

They took p2 of hc gallywix and just like they did on tindral they just gave him bloodlust

So instead of the mechanics happening seperately now theres 2 mechanics at the same time and half the time inbetween until the next 2 mechanics happen

[haughty flicker]

then he turns into an ffxiv boss with dodging all the swirlies and lines

it seems pretty cool

[marble hemlock]

It's honestly pretty stupid too

When you have shit like a frontal bait wait the canisters exploding a second later, there's just no way you do that without 12 teleport classes

[thorn thorn]

When the potential of the players becomes too great they begin to demand the impossible

Quote from Socrates probably

[runic hinge]

I think it was Aristotle

[thorn thorn]

That sounds right

[balmy condor]

don't worry, mythic only phase

[marble hemlock]

more like mythic only boss tbh

idk

this tier is... not it, in my mind

got a guild on final boss at sub30%, while we dont even have 20 guilds on 4/8

[haughty flicker]

stix is actually an insane fuckup

its so wild that boss released how it did

[opal ginkgo]

Expect blizzard to hit it with a nerfbat

[haughty flicker]

they have

3 times already

lmao

[opal ginkgo]

Eh it will be the new anduin

[thorn thorn]

How abnormal is this

[marble hemlock]

insanely so?

[royal lantern]

very very abnormal

[thorn thorn]

I am very out of the loop for mythic raiding so numbers about prog and time in season is very alien to me

[royal lantern]

like, it looks like the ussual "blizzard doesnt understand the problem" thing

[marble hemlock]

last season we had the other outlier

where a week into prog, 490 guilds killed 4/8 and then there was 6 guilds at 5/8

[royal lantern]

NP had a fucked difficulty curve cus the first 4 bosses where to easy? we fix that by making the 4th boss so extremely weird in all ways that nobody can really do it!

[haughty flicker]

stix is probably the hardest 4th boss ever

its insane

[royal lantern]

[marble hemlock]

boss isnt even hard

its just stupid

[thorn thorn]

Ah amirdrassil

[marble hemlock]

and unless you have a very specific comp, the dps check on certain adds is just not possible

[thorn thorn]

The first bosses being insanely free and then the last 3 have all the raids difficulty in them

[royal lantern]

amidrasill was 1 of the last bosses

not #4

[marble hemlock]

technically you couldve done halondrus 4th

[haughty flicker]

oh true

[royal lantern]

the problem is

[haughty flicker]

that wouldve been giga cursed though lmao

[royal lantern]

wtf are they doing with the curve

[marble hemlock]

i mean

curve wouldve been fine i think

[thorn thorn]

I had heard that palace was the hardest raid in recent times, and I have heard the current one called Sepulcher 2.0

[marble hemlock]

i.e. bandit wouldve been a very well tuned boss for week1

in terms of dps check

[royal lantern]

its just "nothing really" or "balls agains the wall fight now" for 2 tiers nowlol

[marble hemlock]

but guilds only got there week2 so it felt too easy

but the problem to me is that this is just designing bosses for RWF guilds at this point and everyone else gets to sit there, wait for 2weeks, before the bosses get nerfed so the regular guild can do it

especially without a heroic week where the diff between the RWF guilds doing 50 normal splits and a regular guild that does maybe 1 split, is 10 ilvl

heroic week with uncapped m+ would solve many of those gear-related issues

not all of them, ofc, but itd at least lessen the impact

[royal lantern]

it is kinda weird that i can watch them do bosses that will be completely different when i play them

[marble hemlock]

its dumb af

is what it is

[royal lantern]

like, saw them do mugzee and knew "yeha that will be a different fight for me"

[loud trench]

anyone else having H gally drop DN?

[thorn thorn]

I have heard many complaints about this

[royal lantern]

if it would be the last 1-2 bosses that are tuned for RWF first, yeha sure, when they do them nobody else really does so it doesnt affect anyone really

but its legit insane that we allready have RWF roadblocks so early in the raid that just tell people "yeha go afk now and wait lol"

[bright bison]

anyone know why shadowstep is just gone for me? started a new character and its not anywhere in the spellbook or talents. I even have thrillseeking selected and nothing still

[red schooner]

Don't you learn it at level 14 automatically or something?

Level 11 apparently

[bright bison]

yeah the issue is its missing from everything. like I search "shadowstep" in my spellbook and it doesnt even show as a spell i havent unlocked yet

[royal lantern]

did you try restarting the game?

often fixes missing stuff

[red schooner]

Do you have outlaw selected?

By mistake

Also ye try a restart if not

[honest needle]

for single target do u vanish into garote ?

for raid ?

i havent raided in a long time

[bright bison]

yeah I deleted the character and made a new one and when i hit 11 i got it so i guess it was just bugged

[red schooner]

Ye

[harsh harbor]

so the splash of caustic splatter, does that originate from the target or the player?

[balmy condor]

pins

[solar wyvern]

Check puns

[royal lantern]

originates from the pins, gotcha

[solar wyvern]

Caustic spinter

[harsh harbor]

The circlet is being outsimmed by other rings in DS, that normal?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4rSFtUh1mxnMUH5KCh1dcQ

[haughty flicker]

i think last time this happened it was priory fuckery

[harsh harbor]

trying to boost my mastery over my crit

its giving me crit right now

isnt sin Crit> Mastery?

[haughty flicker]

mastery is better for priory

if its giving crit it sucks

[harsh harbor]

10 4

is there a break point on crit?

[violet jackal]

you have an undersea gem in your ring

[balmy condor]

yeah

lmao

[harsh harbor]

was playing sub for a minute there

Good catch

[violet jackal]

confusion

[harsh harbor]

Yep, musta been when i was trying outlaw

I bounced between all three to get a feeling for em

Good catch, thank you

Thanks for the help all, as always

[pulsar elk]

does garrot follow the same as rupture? 5 targets

[balmy condor]

no

[young pebble]

In large M+ pulls (like 10+ mobs) should I be using my Subterfuge window to spam Garrote and Rupture on the same target until everything is dotted up, or is there a breaking point after which I should stop trying to keep everything dotted and focus on ST on my caustic target?

[balmy condor]

garrote yes, rupture 5 targets

[tepid breach]

I would say go for 5 rupture with carnage you need to cast 3 times like so you have 20%agi

[balmy condor]

2 times

[tepid breach]

Yeah 2 times

But isn’t worth to get more dot anyway on huge pack ? I mean a bit more than 5

[balmy condor]

no

once you have energy, max scent, all your bone spikes spent

what is rupture doing

[tepid breach]

More dot damage but don’t know if it’s worth

[balmy condor]

it was a rhetorical question

rupture ain't doing shit

[blazing pumice]

you want to be slapping out big envenoms

envenom is doing aoe damage, rupture is not

[tepid breach]

Yeah

True

Is this better to refresh CT during dm/kb if it’s going out of uptime or better finishing spamming max envenom on huge pull ?

[blazing pumice]

keep ct up

in an ideal world you wouldn't be refreshing during dm/kb

[tepid breach]

Yeah sure. But sometimes happens

[blazing pumice]

well it's bound to, it's only 18s

[pulsar elk]

oh okay, so i dont need to be trying to mouseover during that carnage window, I can just stay on that same target and spread the dots

[balmy condor]

ye

[marble hemlock]

well

guess this is it

what a joke of a tier LMAO

[stoic totem]

Was not expecting that

[scenic nacelle]

No secret phase

[marble hemlock]

i mean

the entire boss is differnet on mythic

compared to heroic

entirety of p2 is a secret phase

unfortunately it lasts from 70-0% HP and is basically just "spread, soak sometimes, dont get hit by shit"

until boss dies

[ember mural]

how many pulls was it

[marble hemlock]

103

https://i.imgur.com/TY7luXB.jpeg

literally doing

last 30% of the fight

in 2 pulls

[ember mural]

stix the real end boss

[runic hinge]

how many pulls was stix

[marble hemlock]

117

[haughty flicker]

i kept expecting something to happen

and nothing ever happened

lmao

it just fell over

[blazing pumice]

now that pointless and boring raiding is over

the real m+ game can begin

[haughty flicker]

at least ww will be obliterated on reset now

green rogue supremacy will end

[pliant remnant]

And we can finally get some big rogue buffs

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/or-maybe-not-unsure-doubtful-hesitant-suspicious-gif-13026763

[drifting cloud]

@subtle tundra you got your wish

[hollow talon]

how long were you guys in priory jail for

i cant seem to escape

[balmy condor]

30ish

gb prison last tier was 70

[harsh harbor]

Does the effect of envenom effect Kingsbane in anyway?

[weary spear]

CT only lasts about as long as DM so you’re pretty much always going to refresh it once

[cinder bone]

okay i love the bleed build, that was my overall

first run

[balmy condor]

having envenom means you apply more poisons, which ramps kingsbane more

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[amber fossil]

any tips for soaking mines in H Sprock? I dont see any debuff timers or know when its safe to run over next mine

I run over first, wait 2 secs then run over second, cloak and run over third, then die

[tawny bloom]

is feint bugged?

[balmy condor]

you only eat 1

[tawny bloom]

i dont get any dam reduction on castigator shield (sorry for poor screenshot discord on pc bugs rn)

[balmy condor]

yeh, doesn't work on that

it's a weird one

[tawny bloom]

nice game i guess

[balmy condor]

elusiveness gaming

[tawny bloom]

ye i roll mage next week

o7

[balmy condor]

lol

[amber fossil]

another rogue in raid handled 3 mines and the forth timed out

[balmy condor]

I mean

ok

doesn't mean you should do it

[olive yacht]

Rogue should not be doing that tho lol

For pugs at most but hunter and pala would be better

[amber fossil]

well raid was relying on us, its obviously possible to handle 3

didnt really have a choice

[balmy condor]

💀

[amber fossil]

is there a wa or something that shows debuff timer?

cause I just dotn see it

[olive yacht]

What one the 2 second or 2 minute

[amber fossil]

I see the 2 sec

then run over 3rd mine and die

[olive yacht]

Idk just count 2 seconds ngl

[amber fossil]

even with cloak

[cinder bone]

nothing like getting a cinderbrew +8 and a 4 team 2800io group insta asking for invite lmao

[amber fossil]

maybe not getting to third mine in time, idk

I think I got it now, will have to practice

eat mine 1, wait 2 secs for debuff to dop off, cloak sprint over mine 2 and 3

mine 4 will time out

[grave osprey]

Bleed build carries all the way up to +10

[cinder bone]

im doing 6m a pack in brew 8 rn lmao i love it

damn this group slapped, lmao

lets goooooooo

[weary spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper cradle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[weary spear]

question about whispyr's plater. I'm trying to copy the export string for his Recolor for debuffs mods and paste into my other plater profile but its not affecting anything, anyone know if im doing it wrong or something

[zenith cedar]

god i love assasination rogue

[manic sphinx]

why would you do this? Isn't it a dps loss? I'm sure others can just 1-tap the other mines?

[harsh violet]

Is Sudden Demise still killing people in TOP vs Rav?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

cringe pug strat I guess

[harsh violet]

Nice, ty

[warm vortex]

Thanks for answering
I can now make my robot whispyr more accurate

[dapper halo]

m gallywix already down? wtf

[balmy condor]

yeah gally was easy

around 100 pulls

[dapper halo]

wow went from being relevant to not-so-relevant anymore

[haughty flicker]

idk why we're surprised, we watched this guy get shit on by a gnome back in bfa

canonically weak

[dapper halo]

anytime theres rwf going its more interesting to watch what is happening around wow

but now that rwf is off, meh

[balmy condor]

I mean this was an average length rwf

[dapper halo]

i kind wanted it to last a whole month

if not more

[balmy condor]

you can't be serious right

[haughty flicker]

that would be insanely cursed

[dapper halo]

dead serious

[balmy condor]

it lasted 3 weeks in sanctum

and liquid legit bowed out of the race and said we can't do it anymore

and all went home

and cleaned it up after a rest

[haughty flicker]

was sepulchur where they did that but the point still stands

after 2 weeks the race is kind of going too long

not healthy for the players

[bronze pike]

people legit want another situation

[balmy condor]

yeh sepul mb

[bronze pike]

where robot crab fucks everyone until it gets nerfed

[haughty flicker]

i dont think blizzard will ever let a race go that long again

[bronze pike]

so anduin can fuck everyone

[haughty flicker]

if gally didnt die by monday i was certain they would raszageth his ass anyway

[balmy condor]

yeh

very likely

[dapper halo]

regardless, shame it didnt last long

[balmy condor]

it... did

[strange python]

Anything before 2nd reset is good

2nd reset just sparks more conflicts

If boss dies a day after second reset it’s cursed

[haughty flicker]

especially with the 3% buff in raid

it wouldve been a shitshow

[balmy condor]

if gally would've been like 300-400 pulls

it would've been nuked

[dapper halo]

im just saying, rwf being ongoing makes wow more interesting to follow

[balmy condor]

I mean for people who don't play the game sure

[dapper halo]

precisely

[balmy condor]

but like

they don't play

[strange python]

I mean I did play and watch sepulcher and enjoyed it a lot

[haughty flicker]

wtf it worked

[strange python]

But I’m an outlier I guess

Given that sepulcher had great bosses to watch tho

[balmy condor]

I can't find enjoyment in watching halondrus after pulle 538

[strange python]

Idk if I would watch one more week of undeemine

Prob not

[balmy condor]

pull 537 was peak

but 539?

no shot

[strange python]

Dunno I enjoyed Halondrus prog

Always something crazy to see

[supple spindle]

Yo, liquid got wf?

[haughty flicker]

some bosses are worth watching for 400 pulls

[strange python]

I didn’t enjoy anduin prog tho

[haughty flicker]

i dont think any boss this tier is though

[strange python]

So there’s that

Rygelon was amazing too

[balmy condor]

I mean it was the same 5 minutes on repeat but kaboom egg, kaboom egg, kaboom egg, kaboom egg,kaboom egg, oh they saw p3, oh egg died, kaboom egg

[strange python]

Nah not even close

[dapper halo]

additionally there should be hardmode for the last boss that would count as an actual world first, with lots of personal responsibility for few unlucky randoms

[strange python]

I know a lot of people don’t enjoy watching long ass prog

I just personally liked watching Halondrus

[haughty flicker]

this boss already had that

[strange python]

Idk was cool

[haughty flicker]

if the guy holding the bomb died it was gg

[balmy condor]

long ass prog is fine for me if like every boss was 200-300 pulls

but the game can't be that

[strange python]

Cant even tell you why but I was watching that shit every second I was awake

[balmy condor]

so you have like

typically 4 or 5 bosses in a total of 50

and then you have like a 400 pull boss

and it's just so cringe

watching the same boss for like 3 days in a row

that shit is ass

[strange python]

Or you don’t have a long ass prog boss at all

Hats of undermine

[balmy condor]

stix was pretty cringe

[strange python]

And the one that was remotely long

Was cringe

[strange python]

Was about to say ghat

[haughty flicker]

sprocketmonger was actually longer than stix

it just didnt feel like it bc it wasnt cringe

but also not a boss i wanna see 200 pulls of

[strange python]

Sprocketmonger was same length no?

[haughty flicker]

well yeah when i say longer it was like

[strange python]

Pull count wise, the problem is

[haughty flicker]

5 pulls more

or some shit

[strange python]

Stix pulls

[haughty flicker]

stix pulls did take a long longer

[strange python]

Are way longer

[haughty flicker]

thats true

stix did give us better bits though

#onallfours

[strange python]

I mean allfours is an alltimer true that

[haughty flicker]

gingi emp also happened then i think

[manic sphinx]

@balmy condor dont mind the off topic question - in terms of bleed build, at what key levels would you start considering swaping to main m+ build?

[balmy condor]

like 11-12

it still works fine there though it just gets real cringe on bosses

[manic sphinx]

Ya, loving the dmg actually. But I think it's tapering off now, at my 10s. That, and I dont play it properly still - waste a lot shivs and whatnto

[balmy condor]

I think it's perfectly fine for 10's probably

you don't really hit the scaling till 12