assassination

[balmy condor]

check pins

[polar rampart]

like my guilds doing a normal clear, we kill mugzee, and we can't even get to gallywix, anyone know how to fix?

[lime fog]

Hi all, is there anyone who would take 5 mins to help me out?

[timber meadow]

I see, so regardless of where you stand, anything in the red circle will be hit... but now where you stand could impact what's hit in a situation where what needs to be hit would be in the overlap of the blue/yellow circle

[balmy condor]

yeah

[red schooner]

I can try! What do you need?

[lime fog]

I think I figured it out, thank you. Was returning to retail after YEARS and didn't see my original characters. I found it though.

[vale shore]

that one trash mob in the next room is a huge hurdle?

[shut heart]

might be finally getting better

[vale shore]

66.7k a second dps?

[shut heart]

no that's damage overall but idk if it's super good or not

[pastel cradle]

in the priory dungeon during the 2nd boss fight where you soak the orbs, do you use cloak of shadows right before you step into the circle? or whats the play here?

[vale shore]

I usually just Feint

not sure if it helps

[west crown]

feint a lot, usually save cloak for fucks ups or if im going to die to the dot after and my healer cant keep up

[pastel cradle]

makes sense, ty.

[timber meadow]

ye feint is busted, that shit just perma up

[low hare]

4p still bugged?

also is bugged in sims?

[balmy condor]

4p hasn't been bugged in a long time

[low hare]

.> i swear i looked in here yesterday, and people were bitching about it

[ripe carbon]

do u use house of cards always when its up right?

[low hare]

thanks

[balmy condor]

with deathmark

on cd would be giga aids

[ripe carbon]

oh ok

ya

[low hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xpFc6AnSyiLQpAWHe19tPr

so the new 4 set just blows then?

-22k over 2+2

[lavish geyser]

does twist the knives impact aoe?

dm g

[severe meadow]

2pc from s1 is strong for awhile until higher ilvl tier from s2

[balmy condor]

pins

[low hare]

garbage

why?

[balmy condor]

old 2 piece is really good

[low hare]

is it like procing the reset off our dots?

[balmy condor]

what

[severe meadow]

Old 2pc is just stronger

[balmy condor]

the 4 piece works fine

[severe meadow]

short answer

[low hare]

i guess, it just seems so much better for other specs

[balmy condor]

well other specs have other tier

[low hare]

😕 dumb design

[balmy condor]

I mean

we have balanced tier

our season 2 set is actually like spot on where it should be

[eternal nacelle]

Is 4 piece better if u have all hero? Then 2plus 2

[balmy condor]

pins

[buoyant herald]

sim yo self

[white orchid]

its like everything but the trinket drops in priory lol

[chilly marsh]

I cant sim gems on raidbots but should sin rogue try to use 4 colors for the Blasphemite bonus?

[obsidian bear]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
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[hasty gate]

!aura

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[west crown]

there is a little checkmark for 4 gems

blasphemite is good but not required

not superbis or anything

[chilly marsh]

when i try this checkmark sism goes from 125k/2M to 6M

[west crown]

link?

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVz2mNASfbNcTuHE6oKgJn

[timber meadow]

bruh m yorder of operations was seeing the number first then the ilevel ... then that it was dslice lmao was like shiat you sim similar to me just like 15 lower ilevel

[pulsar elk]

Is CT on a pandemic window?

[balmy condor]

yes

[chilly marsh]

that option is impossible to use

[pulsar elk]

Is it 6 secs like garrot and rupture?

[west crown]

dont select the bag gems

and you should be fine

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[chilly marsh]

its going to sim the gems without having then selected?

[west crown]

no but simming vers gems isnt going to be great so you can get rid of 3 or 4 of them

[timber meadow]

its gonna try to max the algari diamond color bonus so its just gonna go to the moon level of iterations

[haughty flicker]

this is a lot of work to get 55 0.0% sidegrade results

[west crown]

getting the gems matters more than what gems you get, as long as you dont get triple mainly vers gems

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chilly marsh]

mostly why i asked if anyone already did it and if the colors are worth it

[balmy condor]

they are VERY slightly worth it

generally not really enough to care

[pulsar elk]

appreciate that, its great your WA lights up when to renew except for CT

[balmy condor]

yeah idk I could add it on CT

but I also like

kinda don't care

[fleet pagoda]

[runic hinge]

What if I asked really nice?

[wise plume]

is assass really not that good right now or is sub just broken ://

[runic hinge]

Neither

Idk where you get your info from but get new sources

[wise plume]

my source is me in two different keys as both specs

[runic hinge]

Maybe you’re just bad at assa and better at sub

[pastel cradle]

yea i do more dps in darkflame vs others

[static glacier]

Im fairly sure sin does more overall than sub but worse pure st

Source: my own keys, other rogues I've played with and mythic stats https://mythicstats.com/dps

[balmy condor]

yeah

that feels normal

[manic sphinx]

Hi! So what's up with this new spark 😮

I only have 30 Gilded left for the week 😦

[balmy condor]

Use the free runed crest from the story quest

You don’t wanna use gilded on your second embellishment

[cinder bone]

lets gooooooo

[balmy condor]

[cinder bone]

damn the mount is nice this season

[golden loom]

Ah nice liquid swapped to sin on mugzee

[hollow talon]

are you guys doing boots for 2nd craft

[honest needle]

for sin m+ do we still press shiv at last 5 secs of kingsbane ?

[cinder bone]

last 8

[honest needle]

is rotation still the same from season 1 with same talents ?

[cinder bone]

you add in FoK when something procs i think thats only difference

[balmy condor]

We ran sims and then after deciding to play sin for a couple pulls the call was made to swap sin anyways

[balmy condor]

That was s1 as well

[cinder bone]

oh wow I went all of s1 not doign that LOL

[dreamy rover]

got it today too poog

[golden loom]

I crafted belt cause I did not have a hero track belt yet and have myth track boots

[cinder bone]

Nice. I might just chill at 2k and not try and push 10s this season

[dreamy rover]

ill need to push 10s for vault, ill try and get a +10 in this week

[wise goblet]

Wonder why liquid was playing sin on mugzee

[dreamy rover]

im getting fucked on tierset, literally 0pc dropped or in vault

[runic hinge]

Needed execute probably

[wise goblet]

Makes sense

[runic hinge]

Idk for sure tho I haven’t really been watching the race

Kinda checked out on it this tier

[solar wyvern]

Off a complete hunch and no actual knowledge, spatter adds in Gaols, execute

[dreamy rover]

check pins

[solar wyvern]

Was exile inside a gaol or out hitting boss with spat

[dreamy rover]

theres a cool explanation of spatter

[dreamy rover]

im pretty sure he was outside the goon thing

aoe'ing with spatter

sin gets cucked if swap targets

[solar wyvern]

Thats was i figured

I was wondering if that would be the play glad to see sin in the race

I wonder if gally is a sin boss too

Since u can spatter all the adds like this

Depends on timers ig

[dreamy rover]

we'll know tomorrow

kind of anxious/curious to see gally prog

"Liquid defeats Mug'Zee, Heads of Security after 149 pulls"

under over 200 pulls for gally?

[manic sphinx]

oh? why's that?

[balmy condor]

Cause wrists boots cape all suck

It’s just more efficient to put gilded into myth track

Or gear in general

You just sit on the heroic craft

[dreamy rover]

hey whispyr, i might be asking a stupid question but i just watched your S2 video guide and read the bleed build section and I still didn't understand taking caustic spatter over internal bleeding

(in bleed build specifically of course)

[balmy condor]

Internal bleeding is dosghit

[manic sphinx]

So even if you're only getting Heroic gear at the moment, save the guilded for 5th and 6th upgrade?

[balmy condor]

Hope that helps

[dreamy rover]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[dreamy rover]

thats more than enough for me

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s just

Real garbage

[manic sphinx]

Okay, ty ty - then I suppose i can craft now. Just seems a waste of money 😅 ...when you have to craft runed, and then spend to recraft

later

[balmy condor]

You could play internal bleeding and do like 2.5% dps

Or take caustic

And press envenom once and do the same

[dreamy rover]

ill go caustic

[balmy condor]

Caustic is better on cauldron for example

Purely because the bosses are together for like 10 seconds every 2 min

[dreamy rover]

lmao

[balmy condor]

That’s how bad internal bleeding is

[dreamy rover]

yhea got it

i'll just use that on patchwork style fights

[manic sphinx]

And what's the general advice here? I dont have a heroic piece for neck yet, so is that a safe bet you reckon? I know sim is best - but it's about what I have at th emoment, I think

[strange sleet]

Can I craft and equip 2 Emberforged Stabbers (crafted dagger)

[manic sphinx]

As in, for which to craft

[blazing pumice]

yes but it's bad to do so

[pulsar elk]

in a big aoe pull, I know scent of blood stops at 20% (5 targets), its still worth to apply ruptures beyond that range? say a pull of 8-10 targets

[golden loom]

Offhand is shit anyways so seems like a big waste this early

[balmy condor]

Can’t put an embellishment on that

[manic sphinx]

oh 🤦‍♂️

[balmy condor]

Can you yes, should you, no

[balmy condor]

No

[dreamy rover]

IMO indiscriminate carnage should only start ticking down once subterfuge wears off

its literally a scam what we have currently

fix bug

[golden loom]

What

[balmy condor]

What

[strange sleet]

I don't think I'm gonna get any myth weapons until pretty late. Still not worth?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[golden loom]

IC is 6 seconds normally buddy

[balmy condor]

Still not worth

[dreamy rover]

woah

[strange sleet]

ok thanks

[dreamy rover]

no way

[pulsar elk]

oh okay, then ive been doing it wrong, been rupturing beyond that 5 target range

[dreamy rover]

wow i was not aware

what a blunder huh

[golden loom]

What do you think subterfuege does exactly?

[balmy condor]

Turns on carnage

[dreamy rover]

me rn

[blazing pumice]

you're playing wrong if you need longer ic with subt

[dreamy rover]

i dont need it

i want it

i want to apply garrote with no CD and 3 targets forever

[runic hinge]

I need to press garrote 14 times in a row and with subterfuge I can only press it 13

[balmy condor]

deal, garrote now deals 50% less damage

[dreamy rover]

please no

i like button glowy

[zinc frost]

And iron wire is also deleted

[dreamy rover]

hybrid bild

vs chines bled beld

[honest needle]

is outlaw or sub ahead of sin or naw ?

for m+

[blazing pumice]

no one is ahead of anyone

it's 2 weeks in

[honest needle]

hows sin looking right now for keys tho

[blazing pumice]

good

[dreamy rover]

good just like s1

good

rogue is good

rogue god

WHAT should i do if tank just chain pulls whole dungeon?

just hearth out?

[honest needle]

use vanish

lol or dot manually

[hollow talon]

i usually just mass report the tank and get him banned

[dreamy rover]

yhea what if im out of charges because we're talking about a whole 30min dungeon bud

[dreamy rover]

how do i apply garrote manually?

😭

[blazing pumice]

play nelf

[dreamy rover]

me rn

[honest needle]

u can still get ruptures out and gartote prio

nothing u can do happen to me alot in s1

they need to take the cd off it like feral rake

u dont have to be stealth on feral to get rake up

[runic hinge]

Very good overall and sustained aoe. Very stinky boss damage

[honest needle]

which sucks sin use to be great single target

[dreamy rover]

it suck

[honest needle]

i have the same issue on my boomy my single target on boomy sucks

[dreamy rover]

try subtlety, boso damage god

[strange sleet]

Next week is the next spark to craft a new item right? Should I then craft the dagger now and boots next week?

Or what do you think is the value in crafting something like the chest for early extra stats instead of boots? I will only have access to mythic gear thru the vault. Hopefully this save I will have 1 slot unlocked and 3 from then on. I will be prioritizing weapon/trinkets/tier in the vault. Maybe I will kill some HC bosses too but that's still unclear.

Specially interested in your opinion @balmy condor

I also saw in ur last two vids Sacred Handle + Dawnthread Lining > Ascension for m+, and the other way around for rading. Is the m+ setup "too" far behind in raid? I guess they are pretty similar but yeah

[runic hinge]

You can have two sparks rn

[strange sleet]

oh, I have 1 and a half

[drifting cloud]

theres an extra half at the catalyst guy

[balmy condor]

they're basically equal

all embellishments suck

doesn't matter

[strange sleet]

that's the one I have 😮

just got it now

xd

[drifting cloud]

then do your weekly delve quest

[ripe carbon]

i got mine from titan fragment quest

weekly

and then half from catalyst guy they added- plus 2 halfs last week from catalyst guy

[strange sleet]

ok I guess I'll go for ascension then

Oh so they pop from weekly quests?

I don't like to quest tbh

[ripe carbon]

yea i dunno which one but i got mine from titan fragment quest

i just did follow dungeon > stonevault > 1st boss then leave and repeat for the last few fragments. u get 15 each boss kill im pretty sure (or i got 2 in a row)

o

[dreamy rover]

what makes our rupture combo points be refunded?

what talent or passive is that

[slate crown]

Bone spike

[strange sleet]

oh ok thanks. I'm gonna get my stuff then

[slate crown]

Of the serrated variety

[dreamy rover]

thanks LE

rupture rupture

is cool

[runic hinge]

Bonerspike

Good talent

No bias

[dreamy rover]

i actually like the concept of the talent alot

you keep em prepped

in your pocket

ready to go whenever

[blazing pumice]

drop sbs 🙂

[strange sleet]

Guys how does Ascension work? The stat that is given to you at random, is it "eternal" until you drop the buff, or does it change randomly every 8 seconds?

[manic sphinx]

thx helpful, was wondering how best to get Titan fragments

[ripe carbon]

dont know if its the 'best' way but its alright

[supple spindle]

guys, what's "the norm" of overall m+ damage currently?

[strange python]

The norm is to time the key

[supple spindle]

reasanoble

[sacred totem]

How is rouge so far been playing on my priest

For raid and mythic plus ^

[rotund oak]

Rogue*

[vapid terrace]

I kill rares, they give 10 each I believe

[manic sphinx]

ooh, ok ty

[drifting cloud]

just do a low lvl delve three times

[lunar briar]

hey a quick question , Does Crit affect Bleedings ?

and is it worth to take Twist the knife talent instead of Master assassin talent ?

M+

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

it's more single target, less overall/aoe

[rotund oak]

nvm whispyr was faster

[lunar briar]

ty

[rotund oak]

liquid vibes btw

[balmy condor]

what about them

[rotund oak]

ild bet 1 euro they are winning

[balmy condor]

maybe

[delicate pecan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[runic basin]

Wtf i tested assa for some keys yesterday..what is that dmg i mean sure ST is but overall it’s insane (bleed build)

[warm vortex]

Ok back in here for a sec cause BM chat is going

uhh

strange

[north spruce]

would it be okay to stray from the gearing guide and craft bracers rather then boots? just because its my lowest piece and i already have decent boots

[balmy condor]

yes

[north spruce]

sweet ty

[royal lantern]

did they say that rats are not bis pets?

[warm vortex]

Nono not that bad

Were just being very aggresive n shit to eachother

Like aruging abot bis lists or something X)

[radiant raven]

What's the BiS rat list

[spice spire]

Ven is #1 always

[lunar briar]

is it worth using tempest on Single target ? by sim

[spice spire]

If you don’t have amp poison talented

[golden loom]

hit 16m dps on first pull of floodgate into shaman dying on 2nd pull and leaving

[spice spire]

Peak dungeon group tbh

[weary spear]

Pulled aggro first pull of floodgate 10 seconds in, after using tricks, two groups in a row :/

[golden loom]

well that kinda happens if u attack something thats not aggrod I guess

[spice spire]

Depending pull and tank

That could just happen

Warrior being capped means I usually don’t get aggro on everything on first floodgate pull until like 4s in

But I try to pull everything in the shredder area

In one pull

[golden loom]

also tricks aggro transfer means you will trade auto for auto with a mob before the threat gets put onto your target

[vestal cliff]

does anyone has a tricks of trad macro to put it direkt on tank?

[golden loom]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[vestal cliff]

thanks!

[dapper halo]

i really like the bleed build for m+

its so simple

[late gulch]

what is the bleed build?

[finite cliff]

does it make sense to craft two daggers with the second spark or is one dagger or another embellishment much better?

[blazing pumice]

oh dagger is the worst slot

use the runed crest from the undermine chain to upgrade your embellishment bracers or w/e

[hollow river]

1 dagger + something else

mainhand dagger is huge, offhand is a w/e slot

[finite cliff]

Got it, thanks boys

crafted one mainhand already so i will go for some emb

I have another question, does it make any difference on which item you have the second embellishment? Or does it make no difference at all

[hollow river]

It generally doesn’t matter

Some embellishments can only go onto certain pieces though

Like Linings can only go on your leather or maybe cloak slots afaik

[twilit flint]

yooo this bleed build is nutty

thanks!

[rotund oak]

yup bleed is wild

just as strong as sub

if we are talking about overalls

[blazing pumice]

yeah np i invented it

[shy axle]

isnt assa > sub overall dmg with sustained aoe but sub has better st and burst ?

[rotund oak]

Sub is definitely stronger ST,it's burst is ''softened'' a bit

for overalls there are factors but they are very close together

sub is generally stronger

or at least thats how it looks like

sub has a point where it loses to some specs(specifically in aoe)

like firemage or elesham

especially on 8+ targets

locks are also wicked on highcounts

[waxen field]

Ig in m+ you might prefer sub because the loss in st of assa is much more a hassle than the loss in aoe of sub

[blazing pumice]

for most shitter keys st doesn't matter

[waxen field]

also true yea

[subtle tundra]

fat overall > single target

[twilit flint]

whats the best races for assa ?

nvm i see it on bloodmallet

[blazing pumice]

it's diff for raid and m+

[twilit flint]

i gave my mythic raidings so really just M+ and making heroic work

[blazing pumice]

bloodmallet is a waste of time then

dwarf or nelf

[golden loom]

human bis

[royal lantern]

🤢

[strange sleet]

Human female is awesome. Orc female is great too

[late gulch]

what tier piece do we want off piece on?

[tired oyster]

Belf for estethics 😎

[golden loom]

meoooow

[wind totem]

Do you treat house of cards like a 2 min trinket?

and just macro it to deathmark?

[spice surge]

Yep

[royal lantern]

varas alt confirmed

[golden loom]

we are all just silly little cats living in a silly little world

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/small-cat-angry-cat-cute-gif-24160051

[sharp isle]

any m+ supercharged talent builds out atm?

[static glacier]

interestingly sin deffo has the better prio dmg while in big aoe

Im under the impression that sub struggles to compete with sin in overall, wasn't aware that they're close

I do think sub speeds a key up more than sin though, sin makes bosses take a lot longer than they need to

[spice surge]

That was last season. sub got a 10% aura buff going into the season which made it really good

[static glacier]

sin can go full degen pad build though

extremely unethical

but i've yet to see a spec other than enh compete for overall

mage is actually rather underwhelming atleast in 10s

idk about 13s

[cinder bone]

Is the bleed build people talking about the one listed on wowhead?

[static glacier]

yes

[cinder bone]

ty

[static glacier]

its giga dogshit st but you will pad like a motherfucker

[cinder bone]

i hit my 2k im down for some fun niow

[static glacier]

just remember that shiv is a v important button with arterial

[cinder bone]

Plus pug keys only see big pack damage and overall and troll you if you're not constantly doing 5m

[golden loom]

I mean why is doing good aoe considerd padding

like someone has to kill the packs

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/being-silly-hey-cute-kitty-gif-23958688

[cinder bone]

I think it's more you're sacrificing prio damage in aoe for pad damage when other classes bring that without losing as much ST

[static glacier]

its bc you do tank dps to bosses

[royal lantern]

what st dmg?

[static glacier]

well, a bit better than tanks

[golden loom]

running kingsbane amp poisons isnt gonna make you do good ST damage either way

[static glacier]

and regular build does better prio in aoe than bleed build does too

so in that regard it is padding harder than we need to

[cinder bone]

Like this week running fort there are absolutely some packs where I know which mob I need to go full cds, pots for a big mob

[golden loom]

idk I would be interested to see the difference in prio damage

dont think its that big

[static glacier]

Im fairly sure amp + kb make your prio dmg better despite singular focus liking bleed + arterial

[golden loom]

you are running execute and shiving aswell

[static glacier]

can try and sim it, fuu did something similar a while back to compare prio / funnel

well he's not about so time to ask whispyr

@balmy condor know the string to sim prio dmg? or if you've done it can you confirm if bleed or hybrid build does better prio target dmg in m+ aoe

[brave comet]

on mugzee if the ads in the cages start blasting people with melee

how do we avoid this?

[golden loom]

had it happen when tank was in prison or something

probably tanks fault

[brave comet]

he walked the boss through yes

[static glacier]

the adds normally just cast

they don't melee iirc

[golden loom]

yeah its if the boss clips through the wall cause of tank

I got meleed for 7m by add

and died

[static glacier]

ahhhh the overlap

yeah avoid overlapping cages or the boss with cages

lowkey a shame, we can spatter both adds from outside if the boss is between em

[golden loom]

yeah just gotta have good cage placements and it works well

[modest gale]

what should 2nd craft with dagger ascension?

[past oracle]

you guys running bleed in 10s?

or lower

[golden loom]

some piece with writhing armor, personally crafted belt cause I had good boots/wrists/cloak already @modest gale

[golden loom]

ye

[static glacier]

ye ran it in 10s

highkey with the ct / bleed buffs it holds up better in 10s than it used to

[modest gale]

so it doesnt matter ?

[static glacier]

last season

[modest gale]

thanks

[past oracle]

damn ive been running this m+ build

with kingsbane

[static glacier]

not really, just have it on a low stat budget slot

[golden loom]

yeah u just craft to fill a slot you have low ilvl in usually

[static glacier]

the regular build is tbh better, it does better st dmg while still doing great aoe

other build is just all in on aoe

[past oracle]

thats like 90% of m+ though

all aoe

[static glacier]

not neccesarily

a pack ends when the last mob dies

killing smallies faster doesn't neccesarily speed you up

it's why prio dmg is so valuable and ret isn't ever meta for serious key pushing

[fathom valve]

has anyone noticed envenom randomly falling off?

[brave comet]

i wouldnt call a 10 pushing

[static glacier]

yes

[brave comet]

the ads still die quite fast that the bleed build from experience just net me an overall higher number

[static glacier]

you misunderstood me

[brave comet]

and rets are incredibly viable at that level

[static glacier]

Im explaining why

[brave comet]

ye np

[static glacier]

raw aoe isnt actually good

for speeding up always

and you care about dmg to the highest hp mob

[brave comet]

you think so?

[static glacier]

in 10s nothing matters

you can play no capstone sin and do fine im sure

[golden loom]

honestly the beauty of bleed build is that you dont lose that much damage by going ironwire

[broken chasm]

Will disabling crippling poison take away some of my dps?

[static glacier]

just using it as evidence for people opting for prio dmg over higher raw aoe when they care about optimising

[strange sleet]

Yeah but bleed build is lower than KB build; equal to KB build with iron wire.

I think the beauty of bleed build is that makes us viable and even really strong at lower key levels

[brave comet]

the reason i take the bleeds in M+ is cause it only has 1 cooldown so you're almost always doing near maximum damage anyway lmao

i dont like guessing when we're gonna meet the boss

and aligning my cooldowns with that

[strange sleet]

I just did 3.44M in an priory 8 at 648ilvl. That's just really good

[static glacier]

I like bleed build for that reason too, using kb creates annoying situations like wanting to auto 1 mob but then there's a caster 10y away you'd like to kick

[strange sleet]

with bleed

[static glacier]

bleed build gets to just walk over and kick without being tied to a kb mob

[brave comet]

and has a really strong afk dmg

[sharp isle]

The bleed builds ST is atrocius i just tried it did like 1.4m

at 2 min 20 sec

[strange sleet]

where did you try and what's your ilvl? 1.4 is actually good

[static glacier]

1.4 in pure st is acceptable even if the timer is perfect for your cds if you had em for pull

considering i've had situations with like 1-1.2

with scuffed cd timings

also final point on the whole st vs prio vs aoe

look at the kind of builds casual runs

he's giving up a lot of overall here for a bit more st

[sharp isle]

tried it agin and it was 1.2m

but thats me using pot on a dummy

[golden loom]

I mean you wont have affix on dummy, you wont have potential add spawns during a boss fight which give you a huge amount of damage, etc

[strange sleet]

also testing execute builds in the dummy is kinda rough

[golden loom]

also using cds on cd with bleed build feels much better cause the situation where deathmark comes up when boss is like 40% hp feels so good

[cinder bone]

for bleed build what do you drop to take iron wire?

[golden loom]

can check out the guide as it has a whole section on it, personally I drop master assassin for it

[sullen mural]

I love ppl oneshotting all the civilians before last boss rookery and then being stuck on the actual mobs for way too long its my favourite

[thorny kraken]

is signet of the priory supposed to procc crit or mastery?

[warm vortex]

Whatever is highest

[thorny kraken]

i was just wondering if i should stack a certain stat more to get it to procc either crit or mastery

[sharp isle]

Is it worth farming bubbling wax or just use a ironclaw stone?

[golden loom]

ironclaw 👍

[static glacier]

you can try simming two gearsets, one with more of each stat - remember flasks can skew it

[broken chasm]

Will disabling crippling poison take away some of my dps?

[cinder bone]

I might actually just leave it alone and pretend im playing outlaw where I dont have it anyway XD

[strange sleet]

You lose the Lethal Dose 2%

[royal lantern]

why wold you disable it anyway

[desert vault]

I've been running that KB and Sudden Demise build, seems pretty good to me .. but I don't really do super big stuff just 10s if I can get in a pug

[proper plover]

what will you guys craft with second spark?

[desert vault]

cloak for me, but I play sub in raid generally

[royal lantern]

2nd embelishment slot

[fierce sigil]

short question.... when i have the old TSet on ilvl 584.... do i just switch the set out for ilvl in the new season? 😄

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

sim, but very very very VERY unlikely you keep a 584 set lol

[fierce sigil]

y makes sense! tyvm

[desert vault]

did they change something on the second boss in Darkflame? not putting out all the candles with wind now cause it results it too much aoe?

[celest helm]

That is that bosses mechanic unless im misunderstanding you

[spice spire]

Same

[desert vault]

ya I guess I was confused, the pug was spreading out with the wind but got it now 😛

[lyric jolt]

hey guys we play assass or sub this season?

[spice spire]

Play whatever you want

Both good

[royal lantern]

when he does the aoe explosion that puts all candles out, it does burst damage based on the numbers of active candles

when he does the aoe patches, it applies a dot for every MISSING candle

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-baby-speech-bubble-cat-speech-baby-cat-gif-4142671478724681183

[runic hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/qcc3s7C

[severe meadow]

[hollow wren]

Sorry if this is not the place to ask, but can anyone show me where I could get good plater imports for assassination rogue?

[golden loom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[young knot]

any good talent for top?

[hollow wren]

Most of these plater nameplates doesn't show caustic spatter, which seems important in aoe

Gonna try and add it myself

[hollow river]

whispyr's does

[dull prism]

how much haste percentage should i aim for ish?

[hollow river]

it changes color of the plates

[hollow river]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hollow river]

we don't aim for any specific stat amounts

just sim your gear and upgrades etc

[hollow wren]

Gonna check that again didn't seem to be doing so in target dummies

[indigo comet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow wren]

Its not, idk why

[hollow river]

Try on some that have health lol

[golden loom]

is it green if they have full hp

[hollow river]

The green one has spatter

[hollow wren]

Oh

[hollow river]

Yeah

Read the description on the wago page

[hollow wren]

Do you think I could show it on the side of rupture

[hollow river]

It has a legend for what all it does

You could if you wanted to, ofc

[golden loom]

remove it from this blacklist

[hollow wren]

Yeah

[hollow river]

Just go into the debuffs and set it to do so

[hollow wren]

I just did

Sec

[hollow wren]

I did it and it doesn't show yet

[hollow river]

Remove it from the blacklist

[hollow wren]

I did

[hollow river]

Then add it to be tracked

“Add debuff to track list” on the left

[hollow wren]

Sec thats probably it, mb

This log shows caustic spatter very high on damage %, my dps usually doesn't get that high

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rBVvmLn8FHcAgypQ?fight=6&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24158079091.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&type=damage-done&source=7

Even in aoe, although you only apply it to one target

[hollow river]

Because it does aoe damage

[hollow wren]

I probably need to spend more time reapplying it and paying attention then

[hollow river]

Yup

[haughty flicker]

caustic spatter should be one of your highest priorities in aoe yeah

apply your bleeds, use mutilate/ambush to apply caustic, then spam fok/envenom

[hollow wren]

I saw a video on reapplying garrote + rupture and didn't get it yet, gonna comeback with more questions later, I might play assa this season aswell

[hearty reef]

Haters gonna hate

[hexed frost]

Unlessss

[haughty flicker]

even in bleed build caustic is normally your second highest damage lmao

unless you're doing uber low keys where demise does half their hp

[hexed frost]

*7th

[haughty flicker]

dude took envenom off his bars

[haughty flicker]

how is garrote your top damage

wtf are you doing lmao

[hexed frost]

Did +10 cinderbrew last week and half the adds popped open before Kingsbane expired on the big guy

[hexed frost]

I'm bleedmaxxing homie

[royal lantern]

how it feels to drink the 6th monster a day (exploding from inside)

[golden loom]

bleedbuild with kingsbane and garrote did top damage

[hexed frost]

I may no longer participate in bleedmaxxing, but the memories still linger on

[hexed frost]

With Kingsbane?

[golden loom]

^

I assumed this was from the garrote top dam detail

[hexed frost]

Oh yeah that was one off

Went back to no Kingsbane after that

[haughty flicker]

i swear ive never seen demise do that much damage in 10s with bleed build thats wild

are your other dps giga pumpers or something

[hexed frost]

I'm eating their dps. Ele brings mobs to 50%, I refresh master assassin and enjoy the bloody mess

[haughty flicker]

oh its unethical demise maxxing

[hexed frost]

Ele wonders where did his damage go

[haughty flicker]

i respect it

its always funny seeing the mobs just instantly disappear at once

[hexed frost]

Imagine seeing a 21M mob just...disappear

Oh god wish they nerf sub so I can come back to assa

[broken chasm]

Can you have a second spark this week?

[haughty flicker]

yes

they hotfixed in a quest at catalyst to give you a second fragment this week

[broken chasm]

thanks bro, I just noticed it now

the best option would be to recraft wrists?

[golden loom]

depends on what you have usually

just pick the lowest ilvl slot you have out of boots/cape/writs/belt and do that imo

I made belt personally cause I have decent pieces in the other slots

[strange sleet]

damn enhas are pumping

[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[sonic schooner]

first thing i see when i open assa channel, u guys crazy

[haughty flicker]

bleedmaxxing may have gone too far

[nova aspen]

[sonic schooner]

one of the question whispyr likes the most to be asked is : do we just spam ct or only to refresh the bleed?

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/slipknot-headbanging-metal-gif-7758018184623799365

[gusty mirage]

👀

[slate crown]

👀

[haughty flicker]

dont do it

[cerulean walrus]

Holy what the?

He’s back?

[slate crown]

OXI????

[sonic schooner]

had u left oxi???

[haughty flicker]

you were free

[slate crown]

HELLO?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-cute-smelly-boy-gif-25537705

[sonic schooner]

WHAT THE HELL

[haughty flicker]

dont do it

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/xinging-xinging-monkey-monkey-monkey-speech-xinging-speech-bubble-gif-17417339258175886022

[gusty mirage]

I aint raiding dw

gonna do rat keys with my friends

get ksm

then uninstall again

[cerulean walrus]

Based

[gusty mirage]

lmao

maybe fit in an aotc

[cerulean walrus]

I’ll run some keys with you oomfie

[gusty mirage]

do I have you on bnet

[cerulean walrus]

Keyge

Probably not

[sonic schooner]

aotc oxi

[cerulean walrus]

Hey hey it’s healthy

[gusty mirage]

ye I'm washed now

from hof to pugging aotc and dying and gray parsing

truly a tragic downfall

[cerulean walrus]

Oxi if you said you were gonna be a CE gamer I’d sic the intervention counselor on you

[cerulean walrus]

Could be worse

You could be playing trickster outlaw

[ember mural]

[cerulean walrus]

With Killing Spree

Instead of gambling with dice you gamble with your life

[cerulean walrus]

@ember mural does this mean oxi can officially be

A piss boy?

A child of the piss?

[ember mural]

sure if he wants an invite

[gusty mirage]

sure but my play time is giga limited these days

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that’s fine

[gusty mirage]

probably reserved for just weekends

[cerulean walrus]

The days I work

NOOOOOOO

[dawn seal]

do we play same talents on all bosses

[cerulean walrus]

Yes except swap Caustic for IB on Lockenstock

[dawn seal]

[golden loom]

And CT on stix

[haughty flicker]

surely adds dont stay alive long enough for ct

[golden loom]

Who cares about that

You CT for boss dam

[haughty flicker]

i wouldnt think that would be worth enough to warrant going all the way to ct

but maybe

[golden loom]

Its literally ovinaxx 2.0

[dawn seal]

[cerulean walrus]

So it’s Broodtwister build AKA my “Rat Behaviour” setup

Very nice

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

yeah at least for my sims and some searching i did on sub(im rly interested in it always coz i pvp alot) sub is equal/almost equal in overalls.For ppl that know how the spec works,its rly damn strong

[haughty flicker]

if you're good yeah

also if you're in a group where you know the route and the tank

in pugs i think sin still speeds up a key more because you can do good damage every pack

the boss damage is a big downside though for sure

[balmy condor]

That’s not a string for assa because our apl is the same, hybrid and bleed and basically neck and neck depending on how much aoe you add

Like 8 targets, equal

5 targets, like 3-4% worse

[static glacier]

Ok

[static glacier]

Curious thing is I’ve seen top rogues opt for sin and they can clearly play sub

Casual would be an example

I meant the string to show prio dmg

@balmy condor

Sorry for responding to multiple messages in a disorganised way

[balmy condor]

There is no string to show prio damage

[rotund oak]

dw its fine

[balmy condor]

It does that automatically when you sim aoe

[rotund oak]

im curious for an answer though from casualdaddy

whats the mindset behind it

[static glacier]

He says sin more aoe sub more st when asked

[rotund oak]

yup that much we kinda know already,gonna poke him myself later on

[rotund oak]

me love you long time

[jaunty thicket]

realistically speaking how good is assa and sub 4 set?

[coral ibex]

thats answered by a sim

[halcyon crypt]

tier set is still bugged ?some time i have te buff 100% the time but my damage is garbaje

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[golden loom]

Well its not bugged, rest idk

Its just not that insane i guess

[lavish geyser]

had very low dmg on this one. and just trying to improve in general. anyone who can give some feedback? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vPxhrNLz78fCJdHa?fight=57&type=summary all help is appreciated 🙂

[pliant remnant]

Don't forget to buy Magnificent Jeweler's Settings for your neck and ring

[tepid breach]

Is there somewhere a channel to get my log analyzed on a fight ? Thanks

[red schooner]

if you link the log here someone can make a thread

[lavish geyser]

ye just got the gear

[undone flame]

dose it have to be boots for the crafted piece? or can i craft it on other pieces?

[velvet temple]

@balmy condor been using your plater profile for a while (love it thx ) and would like to edit it/use it as a base for some other specs I play, but I can't find what makes ct give red border to enemies, can u help pls

[balmy condor]

Recolor mod

[balmy condor]

Can be anything really

[golden loom]

Usually just craft whatever depening on what your lowest ilvl is imo

[red schooner]

I'm waiting for vault before I send my second craft, cos the second I make boots then my entire vault is gonna resemble a god-damn shoe shop

[undone flame]

cool wil prob craft on belt or wrist then

[red schooner]

I know what this game does

It ain't catching me out

[undone flame]

all my loot has boots so far

[velvet temple]

love ya

[red schooner]

Am I paranoid? Yes. Am I still upset about the SIX GOD-DAMN TRINKET VAULT. Also, surprisingly, yes.

[undone flame]

game keeps giveing me warband daggers XD (and ofc the boots)

[tepid breach]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4MNVKgLxtA23ZG1B?fight=48&type=summary&source=1
If someone can check why i end so low compared to top one on the boss, got perfect cd on the amp phase, but i'm prob bad somewhere

Prob at first that i didn't had a crafted weapon that's huge at this point, probably next run will be better but

[red schooner]

One thing I've seen, your vanish usage doesn't seem to be correct?

[cerulean maple]

is there any talent build that makes it even remotely worth using vicious venoms? I ask because i have like 2.5x more mastery than anything else and i wanna sim if i can capitalize on that somehow with more nature damage

[red schooner]

You're vanishing very shortly after casting deathmark, you want to be vanishing when KB has 6 seconds left in the deathmark window

[velvet temple]

ok another question, do I have to edit the code in the nameplate updated section to add debuffs that cause red borders?

[red schooner]

In order to sync up master assassin with the tail end of kingsbane

[royal lantern]

? assa mastery is poison and bleed dmg

[cerulean maple]

i always just vanish after shiv 2nd shiv, is it a big difference to do it then vs 2 gcds later?

[royal lantern]

aka all dmg basically

[cerulean maple]

ya i know but every now and then vicious venoms tricks me into thinking it's a lot more damage than it is

[coral ibex]

you can just sim builds and find out yourself

[cerulean maple]

not like mut actually does anything

[tepid breach]

Yeah that can help for sure, but dunno if it's the only reason

[red schooner]

Rest of it looks solid though yeah, I ain't the best at going through logs. That was just the big thing that stuck out

[red schooner]

Not sure honestly, probably not optimal but I couldn't tell you how big of a difference it'd be

[tepid breach]

Yeah thanks you right on this tho, but i'm pretty sure if i had a stabber 675 it would be really better tbh

[red schooner]

Also that, MH weapon is a big upgrade

[tepid breach]

Yeah it was like 100K dps for me

Crafted it yesterday

[cerulean maple]

yeah but nothing seems super worth dropping for it at a glance so i figured i'd ask in case someone else has cooked. dropping imp gar + ma for it would be a pointless endeavor, and the only other thing i can think of is dropping dashing scoundrel, but i fear that it'd cause more enoujgh energy starvation in combination w the increased energy usage from vv that it's not worth that wouldnt work nvm

but ig i should just sim some things

[golden loom]

You want to pump out as many envenoms as possible so vv lost a lot of value ever since twist the knife change

[cerulean maple]

yeahhh

[humble verge]

what pieces is it that gives the most stat from upgrading

is it chest legs and shoulders?

[haughty flicker]

ring/neck gives more secondary

but no agi

[golden loom]

MH/trinket/chest leg shoulders? Idk maybe trinket is overrated?

[humble verge]

trinket is not there

that i know of

[cerulean maple]

could always sim it

[humble verge]

im just thinking if i should max my legs or not

with crests

[golden loom]

Like in my mind trinket didnt make sense but saw someone say its up there

[humble verge]

found it on wowpedia

[narrow osprey]

maybe this has been talked about, but is the new tier set supposed to be worse than our old one? i'm simming and it doesn't improve any dps

[golden loom]

Need someone smarter to give input than me tho idk

[humble verge]

yes, nerub 2p is just that good

im still running it at 655

[cerulean maple]

old 2p is crazy good so unless you can go 2p + 2p or upgrade straight to 4p it's not worth swapping

[golden loom]

Sorry for the classic but its there

[cerulean maple]

wait holy shit 2p is worth keeping over 4p??

nevermind i ate my words quick

[royal lantern]

chest, legs, hands and iirc shoulders are "big" slots that give more mainstat

the rest is "small" slots that give less mainstat

rings/necks ofc no mainstat at all

[golden loom]

2p + 2p is very good

[royal lantern]

somebody smarter can correct me if im wrong

[cerulean maple]

yeah 2p+2p sims as a 5% upgrade over old 2p onlywhich is kinda crazy

[royal lantern]

its in the pins yeha

you need all tier items at ~mythic ilvl so they actually get used, before that its just 2p+2p

[lavish geyser]

how is rookery for assa? feel like last boss just screams sub. or is it still fine?

[haughty flicker]

i mean you do no damage on last boss but last boss also does nothing so

maybe in high keys you feel bad

[royal lantern]

it gives me brain dmg cus people spread miles appart for no reason

i cried with the resto shaman

[fleet pagoda]

to elaborate on that a little more; chest helm and legs have more mainstat than gloves/shoulder too

[ionic hill]

what ilvl range would you guys recommend having for starting +9-10 range keys (in terms of overall survivability and damage)

im 653 now but kinda scared of 9's ngl lol

[lavish geyser]

still on the lower end. havent started doing my 12s yet. so I should be fine?

[royal lantern]

idk, did +9-10keys with full S1 items

[celest crescent]

31 runs to get this

[haughty flicker]

ive 2 chested 10s with ~635 ilvl people in the party

[ionic hill]

I'm nowhere near as skilled

[haughty flicker]

you can probably do lower

[tepid breach]

Bro i surrend this shit

I'm done

45 run to skardyn grace

[vestal crater]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid breach]

Now fck it

Kekw

[ionic hill]

sub or sin?

[haughty flicker]

i suck at sub

[royal lantern]

can you walk out of aoe circles, interupt casts and use a deffensive when big dmg is happening?

congratz. you can do m+ to higher levels now

[celest crescent]

good luck brother

[ionic hill]

you guys are good i'm probably the average joe

[haughty flicker]

for surviving i think you should be fine anyway

[ionic hill]

yeah but I'd be pugging it

[royal lantern]

first mistake

[haughty flicker]

your hardest issue will be getting into pugs

not doing the key itself

[ionic hill]

I have a 9 key

just no friends kek

[haughty flicker]

[ionic hill]

tbh not many people are signing up either

[fleet pagoda]

9's a tough sell

[haughty flicker]

yeah 9 is a rough one

[gusty mirage]

I can't, what now

[manic sphinx]

16 rusn Floodgate now and counting. One of my runs had 2 trinket drops, but I didn't get one 😢

[cerulean maple]

host it on No Pressure

[ionic hill]

I've had no luck with NoP runs but will try, ty!

[cerulean maple]

oh really? always been great for me. esp if i'm hosting, super easy

granted i only used it in s1

[manic sphinx]

What is No Pressure?

[cerulean maple]

good luck!

[ionic hill]

cheers!

[cerulean maple]

like a mythic/raid lfg discord

as the name implies no assholes r allowed

[manic sphinx]

oh man, can pm me link? Sounds like something I need

[subtle kiln]

POE

[cerulean maple]

its different for na / eu so i rec u google it

[manic sphinx]

ok thx

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you I just wasted $15 today

[cerulean maple]

poe?

[subtle kiln]

This joke worth the $15. Not wasted.

[gusty mirage]

(why did I resub)

[subtle kiln]

transmogs

[cerulean maple]

i wish we could still upgrade out s1 pieces

one of my set pieces is myth 2/6

💀

[haughty flicker]

all of my tier was 4/6h lmao

made it easy to go to new 4p at least

[cerulean maple]

thats one way to see it LMAO

[stiff geode]

Is it just me or is rupture not applying to nearby targets on the initial cast from stealth?

[dawn seal]

@golden loom :c can u do me a log review

omega fast

[stiff geode]

OH, it is limited to 2 now :[

[dawn seal]

or anyone

I wanna know if I am bad or not

[royal lantern]

hug a cat

[dawn seal]

what was the log thingie command

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hug-gif-26546176639434304

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8mnqJCL7kdX3y2Kw?fight=13&type=damage-done&source=18

[quaint spindle]

best curios for brann healer?

[royal lantern]

idk, dinosaur and printer i gues

dinosaurs are cool

[quaint spindle]

i think dino got nerfed

but i will give er a whirl

[royal lantern]

yeha but its delves

and dinosaurs are cool

[cerulean maple]

waht the frick it didnt show properly

ignore that if you saw that (regarding logs)

refreshed the site and it changed 💀

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean maple]

does thunderlords citrine sim better than stormbringers for anyone else?

[golden loom]

Only on phone atm so a bit scuffed to look at logs sorry bruv

[runic hinge]

to give me a hug in game

[fleet pagoda]

[golden loom]

(only thing I see is vanishing after intermission, losing the mark there shouldnt happen )

[tawdry root]

do you guys find bleed to still be better in +10s?

i find my single target struggling too much at that level

[dawn seal]

do I hard swap to adds

on bunk junker ?

[golden loom]

Swapping as assa is banned

[dawn seal]

yeah

lmao

I AM LOSING IT

HAHAHA

[golden loom]

U can kick and send some ruptures maybe but never hardswap

[proper plover]

its okay to recraft this season bracers for second embelishment?

[golden loom]

Sure

[austere basin]

ive been looking into the the Raid single target spec wowhead recommends, but i dont understand why arterial precision is used for single target. the 30% bleed dmg increase is nice but im not sure if taking scent of blood is better. i would think that 20% more agility is better over the 30% bleed dmg

[spice sentinel]

You arent getting 20% agi from scent in st

[golden loom]

You dont get 20% in single target

[dawn seal]

my tank just told me to

[haughty flicker]

you'd be getting 2% agi

[golden loom]

You need 5 ruptured targets for 20%

[dawn seal]

maybe swap to adds

[haughty flicker]

vs 30% damage on bleeds

[dawn seal]

when I asked ihm to can u move the boss to adds

[austere basin]

ahh okey that makes sence ty ty

[dawn seal]

x)))

[austere basin]

so for cleave it may be worth it then

[undone flame]

i hope it was worth it gz 😄 havent hade any luck with trinkets

[golden loom]

Nah you never run scent in raid

Cause you dont have a efficent way of spreading ruptures in raid

Also you are a burst spec, arterial = more burst during burst

[haughty flicker]

you'd be spending multiple gcds sending ruptures for a small amount of agi on adds that wont be alive for long enough to benefit it

[austere basin]

okey that makes sence

[runic hinge]

Also shiv covering your dm means 30% more bleed damage on 4 bleeds

[thorn thorn]

Imagine if Scent of Blood gave 20% agi in ST

[spice surge]

It should give an extra stack during DM

But it doesnt

[broken sandal]

Are we expecting tuning of the tier set, or do we think its a live with it until we start getting myth track / higher hero track?

seems atrocious to hang onto 2+2 until 665 across the board

[thorn thorn]

Would that even make it worth taking

[spice surge]

No

Not for ST

[gray sierra]

could anyone tell me whet my second embelishment should be if i have Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension but also want to play sub? do i just go with Writhing Armor Banding or do i get subs best which is Elemental Focusing Lens?

[spice surge]

But i just feel like it should

Because it says to double your bleeds, yet you dont get double the benefit from scent

[spice surge]

Whatever you want, theyre all very close and unimpactful

Its not like sub is unplayable because you have ascension and sim 0.15% lower

[gray sierra]

great thanks

[pure osprey]

are there bars on your door?

[undone flame]

woude you use house of cards on cd or wait til burst

[runic hinge]

macro to dm

[buoyant herald]

Yeah, the issue is less the new set and more how good (and synergistic) the old set was

Bleed build for m+ likes early 4set though

[runic hinge]

unless your gear was bad still last patch and 4 set is an upgrade at 1/6 hero

[buoyant herald]

True, I’m assuming mythic s1 tier

[humble verge]

https://puu.sh/Kq1Mn/899d7bb2c6.png

really thinking about it

[buoyant herald]

i mean

it's myth track, its one of the well-statted pieces, what's the problem

those crests will never be wasted

[fleet pagoda]

what's it contending with? craft?

[buoyant herald]

i guess you could make the argument that a 675 dagger craft (if you don't already have 675+) is a better choice

but given he's got 120 crests, im gonna assume those first 60 went on the dagger

[cerulean maple]

what fight duration do yall sim yourselves for

[buoyant herald]

default is 5min which is kinda fine if you were to only pick one

otherwise just look at your logs and how fast your guild is killing specific bosses

simming per specific boss is pretty sweaty though

[cerulean maple]

yeah i was mostly just patching my patchwerk settings to be as close to our average boss killt imers

[buoyant herald]

they vary though right

[cerulean maple]

i mean sure but like usually its between 6-8min bc the rest of our guild is chronic grey parsers (i love them all)

so i usually just have my patchwerk on 6 to be on the higher end of things w 2nd tempered pot rotation

[buoyant herald]

vexie and cauldron are both under 4m for example, which is one less big CD set

[cerulean maple]

that is true

but like how comparable are parses vs sim anyway

[buoyant herald]

mugzee is like 5-6

[cerulean maple]

pretty sure we took like 8 minutes to kill him yday 💀

[buoyant herald]

thats actually impressive in a way

[cerulean maple]

to still have enopugh damage during execute phase?

yeah

kinda tbh

let me check logs to see if im talking out of my ass

[buoyant herald]

ours was 5.50

[dawn seal]

question guys

[buoyant herald]

but next week when everyone is 5+ ilvls higher

it'll be closer to 5-5.30 right

[dawn seal]

after what % on a log u think its not a skill issue but a gear issue

[buoyant herald]

99

[dawn seal]

😭

[cerulean maple]

to put it into perspective, im 533 and top of charts in my guild of 545-558ish members

[buoyant herald]

not the best example but look at how bloodmallet displays the secondary distributions

[cerulean maple]

whuh

[buoyant herald]

the worst possible statting is still 91.6% of the optimal

oh sorry by "gear" issue i assumed you meant like...bad stats

lower ilvl is a much larger effect

[cerulean maple]

I was kinda under the impression that most super high logs (say, 99th percentile) after a few weeks into a season are also people doing specific stuff to parse higher

[buoyant herald]

i don't think there's a tonne of parse-hounding this early but probably

[cerulean maple]

i have some 96-99%s but ive also had runs where it seems like decent conditions for a good parse to me (mostly flawless gameplay, good boss kill timer, maybe got some PIs) and i still only sit at like 94%

ilvl obviously but still w like 4-5k parses in that bracket

(referring to s1 mythic not current)

[buoyant herald]

if S1 then definitely some parsing behaviour ahead of you

but also rng

we actually had one of our hunters get like #2 MM parse on Stix this week or something

[cerulean maple]

overall or bracket?

[buoyant herald]

class

[cerulean maple]

either way craysee

[buoyant herald]

yeah but

he was fighting the tank on boss damage

just absolute padlording on hyenas

[cerulean maple]

i meant ilvl or like all mm parses

oof lmao

the Paddening

[buoyant herald]

overall i think it was

i dunno didn't look into it that much

but we were all like WOAH