assassination

[lost nexus]

How's that

[subtle tundra]

1 talent point aint gonna give you 5% wr

wtf

[rotund oak]

u would be surprised

[hollow river]

Doing your damage properly, CCing properly, reacting with defensives properly etc is far more valuable than swapping a couple talents around

[subtle tundra]

i would yes

[lost nexus]

Yeah but why not just do both

It's not one or the other

[hollow river]

That’s why we see 3-4 different builds used at the very top of the ladder

Players stick to the build they prefer and just play it

[rotund oak]

for shuffles that is

in rated 2s-3s is very

relative

as in,different

[lost nexus]

My questions here mainly revolve around 2v2, I feel that it's so scripted

This is why I'm looking for any edge

[rotund oak]

2s is very scripted yes

u basicly trade

[hollow river]

While it may be scripted, swapping a couple talents around doesn’t provide an edge like you’re thinking

[rotund oak]

yes in that matter it doesnt

matter

when u are into rated pvp,not like shuffles that is

u need to actually know stuff to climb

[golden loom]

echo are losing their minds

idk if anyone else is watching but this is funny af

[rotund oak]

hold on,gonna grab a drink and open my twitch

[subtle tundra]

i cant with sound, im at work 😦

[nova aspen]

is echo still on bandit?

[subtle tundra]

though i did see people miss easy soaks

mugzee

[nova aspen]

will that be the first 300 pull boss i wonder

[golden loom]

they activated the fish hardmode while meeres was on break @subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

youre saying that as if i know what it is

[subtle tundra]

no?

boss is almost dead

hopefully gally wont be more than 150

[golden loom]

i dont think anybody knows but it does something

[subtle tundra]

i hate how hard this raid is -.-

[rotund oak]

mugzee

[nova aspen]

whats their best %

[subtle tundra]

i dont wanna prog for 6 weeks man

i really dont

[drifting cloud]

but you will

[nova aspen]

i cant view the stream at work 😦

[subtle tundra]

splits are already fucking my head

progging hard boss after boss isnt what i want..

[golden loom]

"our top damage taken is from the fish"

[rotund oak]

28.3%

[nova aspen]

doesnt the fight start at like 30%

when u do both sides at once

[subtle tundra]

40

liquid is at 16%

[nova aspen]

i bet echo got at least 100 pulls to go

[drifting cloud]

have you seen p2 tho it looks kinda insane

[bleak dune]

Did somebody sim the buff from Amorphous Relic ?

[drifting cloud]

im not even 100% it dies today

I mean it prob does but not like guaranteed

[hollow river]

pretty sure the buff was insta in sims

idk if any of the lists have been updated

but it should sim properly if you sim it

[sharp viper]

probably still bad

[bleak dune]

Okay , i will sim it later

[hollow river]

it started simming decently for some

still a weird ass trinket tho

[nova aspen]

lmao, stix was nerfed twice in 2 hours

[bleak dune]

Maybe for sub burst it will konda good 🤔

[nova aspen]

all it took was a wowhead post that said "stix hardest 4th boss ever"

[hollow river]

sub really prefers agi procs it can control

[opaque pebble]

in a pack of say 6 enemies.. do you just rupture the same unit twice to spread ruptures in the opener? i have trouble switching to a non ruptured enemy and then back to my deathmarked target

[indigo mulch]

many m+'s has been done 😄

[blazing pumice]

@opaque pebble you either double cast it on your target

or use mouseover macros

manually switching is terrible

[opaque pebble]

do you try and garrote everything aswell?

[blazing pumice]

only within ic windows

you don't garrote in aoe without ic

[opaque pebble]

yeah only out of stealth

thanks for the answer

[wanton nest]

Not event the main target?

[blazing pumice]

if it is a priority target

[onyx crane]

I am still too conservative with cds

Always affraid i don't have em up for bosses

[royal lantern]

you use CDs on average 1x in Bosses anyway

doesnt really change much if its on pull or 1min into the fight

[nova aspen]

^

[onyx crane]

On tyrannical you might do twice

[blazing pumice]

boss damage doesn't matter in pissy dungeon keys

just send cds

[drifting cloud]

on 10s you dont, unless group is kinda bad

[onyx crane]

#puglife

[drifting cloud]

yeah maybe if you send on pull and then send again when boss is on 10%

[royal lantern]

when you get cds again and the boss is at 6%, you dont send them anyway lol

[onyx crane]

Wasting my priory seal 😦

Still need em on hc

I am not even 2k score yet such scrub

[golden loom]

When playing bleed build it even feels good for cds to come up later during a boss fight so it might even be in zoldyck range

[lethal python]

what should our top 3 dmg abilities be in m+ ?

[red schooner]

You running bleed build or hybrid?

Normally hybrid spatter tops out for me

[lethal python]

uh I dont know lol. The m+ build shown in wowhead

[red schooner]

Hybrid!

[golden loom]

CT should be top for bleed build and 2nd for hybrid

Or can also top there

[red schooner]

But normally spatter CT and I forget the third

[golden loom]

For bleeds its usually garrote or sanguine blades I think

[blazing pumice]

envenom

[lethal python]

In my last key, I have 1. envenom, 2. rupture, 3. caustic spatter, 4. crimson tempest

[blazing pumice]

that's bad

[golden loom]

Well what key level was it

[blazing pumice]

only key that should look like that is top

[lethal python]

7

[golden loom]

And dungeon?

[lethal python]

floodgates

[golden loom]

Yeah thats not optimal then

[lethal python]

I should try to keep cs and ct up more?

[golden loom]

Yeah never let CT drop, its crazy dam

And yes caustic should also always be up

[royal lantern]

spatter/ct, then a mix bettwen garrote/rupture/envenom, depeends on the dungeon

[tawny geyser]

You guys play this in M+ 10 and above or the Hybrid one with KB?

[blazing pumice]

no kb is a bit troll as you get higher

[royal lantern]

....what?

[blazing pumice]

? it's lower st

[golden loom]

and better aoe

sin is gonna be shit single target regardless

[royal lantern]

oh wait

read it wrong

saw it as "no, going kb is troll in higher keys"

my fault

[static glacier]

Is this actually true?

In the context of a higher key with longer pulls

[royal lantern]

not really i gues

like, the build always kinda edged out in cases where demise can grab kills faster

and higher keys = that doesnt really happen anymore

[pallid pewter]

what are the best weapon enchantments for ST dmg?

[static glacier]

It’s a murky q tbh, since we’re comparing having zoldyck and arterial vs kb and dtb

[royal lantern]

depths

[pallid pewter]

i see many logs with radion power because of that i ask^^

[royal lantern]

cus the difference is not big, and radiant power is better in m+

• many probs didnt notice that depths got buffed at one point

[static glacier]

Raid also has a ton of fights with cleave

[kindred imp]

Why are a lot of rogues loading on vers in the warcraft logs? (gems, enchants etc.) is it just survivability thing or?

[harsh anchor]

Robot said so

[golden loom]

lil +10 meadery

only done a 4 previously and now this 10 so was a bit lost to be fair

[placid wave]

this is not that provably true yet. dropping kingsbane is not that much less ST. I think it will likely depend on the overall groups damage profiles and the dungeons difficulty points for what is 'better'

like the sentiment makes sense, but KB just kinda sucks now compared to what is was

[royal lantern]

its week 2, nobody is loadong on anything

[spice spire]

Good job

[golden loom]

cheers bossman

[hardy rapids]

[spice spire]

[brazen sluice]

yo , in m+ and in the kingsbane sudden demise build , if i wantted to take iron wire what do i drop? master assassin?

[magic fossil]

i do, feels like shit sometimes, but if you just play pugs iron wire saves a lot of keys

[brazen sluice]

but what do u drop for iron wire? spear and take ttk + iron wire?

[nova aspen]

looks like he drops MA

[timid bramble]

Isma3 ya zalama

[vivid lodge]

so we still use 2 set for last season? is there any point in which we switch them out?

[static glacier]

it's litterally in the pins man

[vivid lodge]

it says that 4p is better but i tought about a non set item which is much higer.

[static glacier]

answer is when it sims higher, which will normally be when the total ilvl of your 4 pieces of tier/4 = 662 or higher

[static glacier]

the alternative to 4pc is 2/2 which

shouldn't really be a massive issue

[vivid lodge]

ok ty, you know sometimes people just want to be sure 🙂

[static glacier]

just run some topgear sims comparing your gear

see what comes out

[wicked quartz]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[stark halo]

how big is the 4 piece for sin this season

[last skiff]

Which one I should change for iron wire?

[last skiff]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1349255063759224923

[spice spire]

Average. It’s about normal. The 2/2 is stonks for a bit tho

[deep gyro]

Before the play was to not use sanguine blades if u wanted iw dont know in s2

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper cradle]

if ur playing bleed build, there's no way you drop sanguine

[dapper cradle]

if you're playing regular hybrid, sanguine

if you're playing bleed build, master ass

[last skiff]

thanks

[thick juniper]

is the Embellishment ok on bracers? if i have sexy boots?

[eternal nacelle]

Is assassination still good for Keys or should I go sub ?

[coral ibex]

you should reroll windwalker asap

[hollow river]

they're both fine

[teal vector]

Are links of selfmade WA allowed here? Wanted to share a simple bleed tracker i put together for anyone in need

[eternal nacelle]

What about raid ?

[hollow river]

both fine

[eternal nacelle]

Which 4p is better or they both give the same I’m 1 off 4p

[hollow river]

idk i don't bother looking at it like that

assa sticks to old 2p+new 2p until decent enough ilvl 4p

unless in pure bleed build for m+ i think 4p can pull ahead, idr

sub just wants 4p asap

this early on spec and all that stuff don't matter

you can do any key with whatever rn pretty much

[eternal nacelle]

Thanks mate I’m super new to playing rogue this expansion

[hollow river]

check out the guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

all 3 of them are made by ppl from here

just try out the specs and see which you like, and have fun

[eternal nacelle]

I feel like assassinaton is more ramp no straight burst am I right ?

[hollow river]

assa has a little ramp up yeah

gotta get some bleeds out n stuff

[eternal nacelle]

And combat leans to much on rng

Outlaw *

[hollow river]

eh, its not as rng as people think

rtb has some rng to it, but the variation isn't as big as you'd expect

Nothing close to like shamans procing during their burst etc

[eternal nacelle]

True

Espically tempest build

@hollow river is there a mastery cap on assassination

[hollow river]

There’s no real stat caps these days, barring some particular specs here n there

Like outlaw has a haste threshold now

[eternal nacelle]

So no dem returns

[hollow river]

We just sim upgrades and use what the sim says

Diminishing returns do exist, but the sims take them into account

[eternal nacelle]

Ohk

Well thanks for your help

Check your dms

[hollow river]

[last skiff]

RNG

[agile locust]

How’s peoples add damage on Bandit? I’m being called out for being the lowest, I’m just funnelling boss and cleaving adds, should I be doing something differently?

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[waxen oyster]

If you want add damage you play sub

[last skiff]

me when my raid lead say to focus adds

[agile locust]

I don’t, I’m just asking if I’m doing the right thing for sin?

[waxen oyster]

I mean our adds die in 3-4 gcds

so its kinda trolling to swap them on sin

[agile locust]

Ok cool

[nova aspen]

u do more damage to adds hitting the boss than u would hard swapping

[agile locust]

Yeah I noticed that tbf

[waxen oyster]

You still should be mid pack on adds

due to spatter

unless your tanks are apes

[agile locust]

I’m talking about the reel assistants by the way

But yeah

[nova aspen]

sin's design is to just sit on boss

[waxen oyster]

Yeah those things just explode week 2

[hollow grove]

do we maintain caustic at 3 targets +?

or 2 as well?

ie use fon instead of mut

[wanton nest]

You always maintain it.

[balmy condor]

2

[hollow grove]

yeah sorry i mean only spam fon with 3+ targets

worded it like an idiot mb

[balmy condor]

Fok on 3 without ct, 2 with ct

[hollow grove]

without meaning if it isn't talented?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hollow grove]

ok thanks

so like mechagon first duo boss id use mutt to apply caustic then slam fon

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hollow grove]

ok ty

❤️

[balmy condor]

Gar rup and ct on both then caustic and fan of knives

[hollow grove]

ok great thank you

[strange python]

I wish you would gar rup ct caustic fok me instead

[blissful spire]

in priory dungeon the soak mechanic at baron can we cloak and get all 5 orbs w/o stacks like pali?

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

Come over

[golden loom]

do not pre-cloak, you cloak afterwards to get rid of the dot that gets applied from the soak

[blissful spire]

ok thanks

[golden loom]

so you can do some evasion/feint and then take a few soaks and cloak off the dot depending on key level

on a 9 I took 3 and it was totally fine

[fallow estuary]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[blissful spire]

ok well found out the hard way in a 12 was just wondering if i did it wrong or not

[golden loom]

yeah I guess its a bit of a trial of fire to find out how many you can do

[dusty rivet]

Question about vault. Not sure which of these would be better long term. I already have 4pc tier so most of this stuff is useless cause i can just farm 7s. Deciding between The myth track trinket for free upgrades in the future despite it being garbage or the neck even though its farmable

http://puu.sh/KpXuk/8b10ecdb96.jpg

[nova aspen]

welcome to the useless vault club, enjoy your stay

[dusty rivet]

Yea that trinket is horrible, but its still myth so i might take for free upgrades... about only good choice

[nova aspen]

its either that or a socket for a myth track item

the glowtorc will be replaced with a crafted neck eventually

so yea

[dusty rivet]

Yea I can also just farm it from 7s its only hero

Only contemplated it cause my old neck is 619, havent had a single one drop so far this season despite the rest of my gear being 645+

[nova aspen]

yea its up to u then

the only option that makes sense long term is a socket for a slot u wont replace

[dusty rivet]

https://raider.io/characters/us/proudmoore/Shankyournan

[hoary remnant]

Socket

[wild thorn]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[dusty rivet]

Yea it unfortunatley seems like it

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-cat-driving-gif-369381050674618482

[red schooner]

I'm still tilted after getting 6 trinkets and 5 of them being crap!

[twilit flint]

how much haste should we be aiming for?

like a rough %

[red schooner]

maxed out vault (apart from mythic raiding ones), 7/9 items were downgrades

[red schooner]

whatever sims best

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

That’s not a thing

[twilit flint]

sims have been hateful for me

[balmy condor]

What does that mean

[twilit flint]

im all champ out, bis head heroic drooped and it told me not to take it

[red schooner]

the numbers don't lie (and they spell disaster for you at sacrifice)

[balmy condor]

Yes

Cause bis is bullshit lmao

[twilit flint]

im just following the guide lol

[balmy condor]

Well fucking stop

Bis lists aren’t meant for humans

You follow the sims, not the bis

[red schooner]

https://youtu.be/2zF336ExdzU?si=nzFOiI1XCVmSk8Kp&t=105 watch from this timestamp

[twilit flint]

Thank you

[red schooner]

when do we get that video added to a !bis command

[twilit flint]

this is a brand new class to me so still figuring it all out. appericate the help

[balmy condor]

Bis lists are stupid for every class in the game

But you’re welcome

[twilit flint]

well thats good to know for someone who knows the game well

I do not LOL

[balmy condor]

You get tier, trinkets, your 2 embellishments, maybe a special weapon if it exists

[red schooner]

Well, the more you know!

Sims are your friend

[balmy condor]

And the secondary stats are kinda all gravy

Like think about it, who gives a shit if you have a haste/vers helm instead of a crit/vers for example

If you think just enchant/gem for haste

Or get haste from boots

Or belt

Or wrist

Like you can swap out so many slots and get to where you’re going

And even then, there isn’t one destination

Like is a big difference between 22% haste 30% crit and 20% haste 32% crit?

Probably not

But that’s a full 10% swing in stats

You just removed thousands of points of haste

[twilit flint]

im getting this from your video right meow lmao

[gusty mirage]

What about 15% concentrated power of will?

[nova aspen]

thats a video for pookies right there

[twilit flint]

gotta try this bleed build apparently too

[nova aspen]

10% luck?

[runic hinge]

100% reason to remember the name

[stoic totem]

the most important stat now is +1 luck

[balmy condor]

True

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty fun imo

You just press a bunch of bleeds and then your tank in voice goes “why did that mob just disappear”

[twilit flint]

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

And you had like an 18 mil sudden demise

[twilit flint]

thats the one without KB right?

[balmy condor]

Very funny

You can play it a bunch of ways

With kb without kb

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

There’s a whole section on the talent page

Or the video goes very in depth as well

Should have chapters timestamped

[dawn heath]

the hitbox of arterial precision holy

wish more effects worked like that

shiving things off my screen its so big

[spice spire]

The infamous combination of demolish and bleeds

[balmy condor]

Are you demolish cause call me bleeds

[spice spire]

About to be demolishing that fembussy if you sass me again

So ig yeah

[balmy condor]

Your fucking name is arterial Arthur but I bet you don’t know arterial precision is bugged

Fake fan

[nova aspen]

[spice spire]

Okay and

[nova aspen]

its bugged?

[balmy condor]

I mean it works fine but it’s not an aoe around you

[nova aspen]

is that what the tooltip says

around me

[balmy condor]

It’s what’s implied cause that’s how everything works

But arterial is a special lil boy

It’s an aoe around the target, which is still fine and expected

Except only for that shiv

The next shiv hit picks a target in that aoe

Which then picks a target in that aoe

Which then

It’s chain lightning

The whole thing is chain lightning

[spice spire]

Chain shiv

[storm hedge]

It's a chain lightshiv

[red schooner]

Shiving a target 50 yards away lets go

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

[red schooner]

LONG ARMS BOYS

[spice spire]

Ttb tech when

[red schooner]

(idk the range of it but either way, LONG ARMS)

there's gotta be some scuffed gigalong shiv we can pull off here

[balmy condor]

Each one is 12 yards so technically if you could set up a dummy chain you could shiv something 100 yards away

[spice spire]

Can’t wait for the vanish double shiv tech with ttb

[haughty flicker]

that explains a lot lmao

i thought ap was pulling shit from really far away

[runic hinge]

yeah, it's huge

[haughty flicker]

normally only in open world though i havent had issues in dungeons fortunately

[balmy condor]

Yeah instead of having 1 range check per cast it has 1 range check per hit

[haughty flicker]

cinderbrew sometimes it pulls the yellow patrons

[nova aspen]

this is poggies my doggies

[haughty flicker]

at the start

[dawn heath]

guys im gaming

[balmy condor]

Buffing it to 8 targets means it got more range technically

[red schooner]

EVEN LONGER ARMS LETS GO

[dawn heath]

maybe i should put some work into the rogue

only killed 4 bosses

[ionic hill]

whats a good neck you guys are using? I imagine crafting one wouldnt be bad either sim wise

[balmy condor]

Pretty much any neck works

The rest of your gear just morphs around it kinda

It’s fine

[dawn heath]

this rogue is gonna do work when it gets 4set

[balmy condor]

Crafted neck is less than ideal atm probably cause you don’t have sparks

[ionic hill]

yeah

[balmy condor]

So maybe in like 6 weeks you can do that

[dawn heath]

the real answer is to

swipe your credit card

and buy neck from the AH

[balmy condor]

But who cares tbh

[ionic hill]

might as well get the Glowtorc

[balmy condor]

Crafted neck isn’t that impressive really so whatever you find will be okay

[ionic hill]

thx Whispyr ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np

[dawn heath]

i have 3 characters that need crit mastery

im gonna go broke

[golden loom]

being a team player for my healers still

[balmy condor]

I finally got rid of it

[haughty flicker]

crit instead of speed smh

sonic would be ashamed

[golden loom]

my cloak has all the speed needs for 1 short second

bro this mugzee boss is something

[dawn heath]

god damn it

blasting

[ionic hill]

thats big

[dawn heath]

i got the bomb

when boss was on 3%

ran straight into b oss

kept executing

aint nobody got time for mechanic

kill boss before boss kills you

[peak bobcat]

Mythic ? 👀

[dawn heath]

na

this is just my for fun alt

just doing a few heroic bosses

im barely 650 ilvl

gear is cursed

[grizzled geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Whispyr's Plater

[peak musk]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[ionic hill]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[empty flame]

ST dmg in Raid on Mug boss. Envenom really that much of my dmg or am i messing something up

[haughty flicker]

envenom really is that much of your damage

sin is envenom the spec

with dots attached

[runic hinge]

especially in ST

[empty flame]

cool cool just making sure i am not messing up

[haughty flicker]

you might want to play caustic over internal bleeding though

to spatter the jails

[empty flame]

for ST ?

[haughty flicker]

mugzee has adds that spawn

[golden loom]

only boss that u dont go caustic on in the raid is Lockenstock

[empty flame]

ah ok, hard to know when to go pure ST if there is no adds

cool thanks for tip

[haughty flicker]

yup this fight has a bunch of cleave we can get for free

or next to free, since we just have to swap one talent

this raid in general tbh

[golden loom]

also as u can see the other talent does 2,7% of your damage

[runic hinge]

Spatter usually over takes that with just about any add

[empty flame]

'

[runic hinge]

and I think sprocket is the only pure ST fight

[static glacier]

@balmy condor why are things on the bis list

[balmy condor]

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[balmy condor]

because it must

[static glacier]

ngl I feel your pain

[balmy condor]

all hail bis list

[buoyant herald]

Contractual obligation

[static glacier]

people go to such lengths for margin of error simdps

[haughty flicker]

but i need that 458 dps

[buoyant herald]

My hot (or not) take on that is that getting gear is an external thing whereas getting good or learning fights is YOU

[lone ore]

How trash is fatebound, i wanna be different

[balmy condor]

depends where you wanna be different

the more adds you have, the worse fatebound becomes

[haughty flicker]

play fatebound on sprocketmonger

[lone ore]

so then it's only good on two bosses lol

[golden loom]

idk any boss you play caustic on, it seems grief to play fatebound

so that tells me that its only playable on 1

[uncut dragon]

Is siphon dagger still bait on sims but never actually make?

Got the deck of cards trinket so my cooldowns are 1 1.5 and 2 minutes now to mess with my ocd

[lone ore]

i was counting gorilla/godzilla but yeah i guess not

[balmy condor]

it sucks ass on sims too technically lmao

but yes, siphoning is just a regular dagger but worse

[buoyant herald]

You just macro cards with deathmark and forget about the extra 30s

[dawn heath]

do we track our 4p at all? or our tierset at all?

this whole 4 second thing

seems weird

[static glacier]

you can play it in a lot of ce guilds np

[lavish geyser]

when sending cds, do I wanna refresh CT at the end? or just spam envenoms? and also do i just send my envenoms at 5 cp, alongside CT at 5 cps as well?

[balmy condor]

CT is just like any other bleed, you refresh in pandemic, envenom is the filler

everything is 5cp except darkest night which is of course 7

[lavish geyser]

ok.

so if im in this situation I dont wanna use my cp to refresh CT? or is it kinda irellevant sending envenoms, just as loong as the buff is up?

[balmy condor]

oh you 100% refresh CT there if CT is pandemic

your cds are done

[lavish geyser]

ah okay. Thought you kinda just loaded Kingsbane with envenoms. but its just having the buff up then as it hits the final ticks? so as long as I have the buff up, im just in maintenance mode, just keeping stuff up?

[balmy condor]

you just want the envenom buff

kingsbane ramps with poison applications

envenom's buff is poison applications

the rest is whatever

[patent snow]

How is Sin looking in raid in practice? Is boss performance passable in undermine? I haven't been able to play yet due to life circumstances.

[ancient nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[patent snow]

Is Whysprs video the best place to start for current theory?

[spare kayak]

why did we receive another spark this week?

[haughty flicker]

a second spark has hit the servers

i guess instead of rolling back the abusers they're giving everyone a spark

[spare kayak]

is it on a blue post somewhere?

[lavish geyser]

so do we have a craft this week then?

[haughty flicker]

nothing yet but im sure in a minute or two wowhead will say something

we do have another craft

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tawny geyser]

Its just a fracture, you need two. 2nd one comes next reset

[haughty flicker]

we have 1 already

and this is the second

[tawny geyser]

1 from where? I have none

[lavish geyser]

How do you get the 2nd, just still a world quest?

[tawny geyser]

And I did all quests

[haughty flicker]

from this normal weekly lmao

[tawny geyser]

Timewalk?

[haughty flicker]

then this new quest that just got hotfixed in

[haughty flicker]

i think its the 100 titan discs quest that gives it but idk

i just do my weeklies weekly

[tawny geyser]

Oh, could be because thats the only one I didnt do.

[lavish geyser]

would that be the world quests? like "spreading the light"

[haughty flicker]

that is a weekly yes

but that just gives a chest not the spark

[lavish geyser]

hmm

[haughty flicker]

or maybe that one is if its the one from faerin

idfk

i just click exclamation points man

[lavish geyser]

!

[haughty flicker]

i couldnt tell you names of quests or why im doing what i do

all i know is i must kill

[lavish geyser]

hmmm

[brave comet]

assassination needs single target buffs, change my mind

[young pebble]

Are most of you just full sending your first batches of gilded crests into a 675 dagger?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[tawny geyser]

yes, weapon is ur highest dmg

[spare kayak]

so, there's wowhead thread on the half spark quest...what would we craft as second piece? second dagger or embelishment ?

[haughty flicker]

offhand is worthless

craft embellishment on lowest ilvl slot or something

or just sim it

[golden loom]

guess I just slam it into belt cause was wearing 636 crafted belt so far

[haughty flicker]

i have bracers with socket so its between belt and cloak for me

gonna have to sim it

[tawny geyser]

same, got enough for another 675 😛 i'm almost 660 ilvl lol

[haughty flicker]

will only be heroic track until next week since i dont have enough gildeds

using the free runed crest instead

[golden loom]

same

[marble hemlock]

likely better off using gildeds on higher budget items anyway like myth chest/pants/helmet or trinkets

than bracer/boots/belt

[haughty flicker]

yeah true

[golden loom]

ye using free runed crest feels good while crest caps are a thing

[marble hemlock]

if you already have 4set and are missing high ilvl chest/pants/helmet, can also just craft that for biggest shortterm gain (if that matters to you)

answer really just comes down to the individual

[marble hemlock]

ye

[foggy mirage]

Why are guides saying craft boots? I thought craft with lowest overall stats was usually the suggested one due to ilevel loss?

[dawn heath]

playing sin in raid

its like taking a walk in the park

spec is so easy

and relaxing

[grizzled geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[neat flare]

there's prob marginally better statted pieces for the other slots available

[vestal cliff]

do i craft the second item with hc or myth crests?

[desert vault]

all the sims were showing cloak as the craft, i am mixing a little sin and sub, so probably cloak for me

[haughty flicker]

but

speed burst for 1 second cloak

must have

[grizzled geyser]

I got very used to the look and feel of the whispyr/afenar weakaura pack during season1, but I wanna try sub - does it lack anything critical for sub? As in, its only optimized for assa and its not advised to play sub with it? I spent way too much time adjusting little things here and there to start from scratch if not necessary D:

[desert vault]

I know, I was thinking the same but ... even my sims were telling me to cata that cloak

[haughty flicker]

the cloak is a meme

cloak craft is fine

i need it for my transmog runs though

[cerulean walrus]

Fake news you need to assemble the infinity stones (very rare items)

[golden loom]

I use it for what little sub I play

made some personal changes to it, duplicated the darkest night aura and changed the aura to shadow dance / shadowblades cause I like how it sticks out @grizzled geyser

[uneven plume]

cape a safe choice to craft as second option?

[grizzled geyser]

I just dont have a deep understanding of all the little sub things yet, so I cant really say if anything "necessary" is missing when it comes to sub with that wa pack

it seems fine at first glance, but then you look at LE's pack and feel like tony stark when he talks to jarvis and his spaceship ui lol

[desert vault]

cape is safe, neck doesn't sound bad either for a craft spot

[haughty flicker]

depends on what embellishments you're using too

are you using ascendance or focusing lens

since you're playing both specs

bc cant put patch on neck but you can put lens on it

[uneven plume]

ascendance+writh for sin and double lens for sub

so prob cape for me

[haughty flicker]

yeah but he plays both specs

so idk which he chose

[desert vault]

oh yeah no embellishment on neck, true true

[slate crown]

It's helpful if you can see how many charges of dance you have while dance is active. That's missing from this.

Also if you have Nimble up via flawless form you need to be able to see, and Deathstalker's mark if you are enough of a masochist to play deathstalker sub.

There are a bunch of other bells/whistles that are nice but not necessary to have that this doesn't have but what you have covers the essentials.

[dawn heath]

anyone had darknest night bug out on pull on sprocket monger?

i had it happend twice in 3 pulls now

[haughty flicker]

not in that specific situation, but dn is definitely buggy atm

some stuff i thought they fixed is happening again

[golden loom]

yeah it tracks nimble/ds but yeah true the dance charges would be nice

[slate crown]

It's mostly in non-opener burst windows to know if your dance is able to be pressed immediately or if you'll still ahve a short bit on cd before going into your second dance

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

I added it to mine specifically from running into friction in that situation

[cinder bone]

great cant log in

[cerulean maple]

my wow froze for 15 sec and i was just totally entirely dead after
how tf do i make this not cook my warcraftlogs parse avg

[violet jackal]

I was wondering this too since there is crit/mastery and haste/mastery boots from raid and dungeon, you would think 2nd craft would still be wrist

[lethal heart]

!commands

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lethal heart]

is there some embelishment command by any chance maybe just out of curiosity sake

[violet jackal]

fuu has crit engineer bracers

[rain coral]

guys is eye of kazn good in M+?

[violet jackal]

depends on the dungeon and your tank

[celest helm]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/mm+#gear
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5
https://www.raidbots.com/

[violet jackal]

these don't take into account dropping stacks because of intermissions, tank idling, etc

[celest helm]

get a better tank xdf

[violet jackal]

bro i wish i had a tank to begin with playing queue simulator is

[lavish geyser]

@balmy condor got a little sim question. since when doing dslice sims, you normally do waay more dmg overall then what dslice says. I would assume that also then applies when simming gear in dslice. so would you then only look at the percentage? and not the numerical? 🙂

[spice spire]

Dslice is designed for builds/gear comparing (builds are even sketchy) the numbers do not matter

[lavish geyser]

yeah okay 🙂

[cerulean walrus]

Dungeonslice is turbo scuffed

[spice spire]

It’s not

It’s designed as all sims are

[lavish geyser]

but then I wonder, how can you say that a tierset benefits you a certain ammount of % in m+?

[spice spire]

To sim builds and gear.

Because realistically its% doesn’t matter. It’s some level of gain.

If you’re envenoming less

You lose value

If you envenom more

There’s more tier stuff

How are we to simulate exact play for every dungeon route

[lavish geyser]

its weird cause I do a mil more overall in dps if not more then my dslice. so yeah numbers dont match.

[spice spire]

Unless you go full spriest

[lavish geyser]

didnt know it would be that far off

[spice spire]

Because dslice is a combination of cleave aoe and at shoved in a 5-6m sim

[lavish geyser]

cant you do that with mdt? not perfectly though

[spice spire]

For routes, probably. But dslice has never been about the raw number

[lavish geyser]

so you would then say that it probably gives more value that the numbers suggest? im assuming, since the overall is also very low

[unique summit]

any good winning strike WA?

[golden loom]

no need to track anything so nope

[unique summit]

4fun

[balmy condor]

dslice is a synthetic simulation that's meant to emulate dungeon situations. It's not an actual dungeon, so your actual dps will be different, yes. There is no good way to simulate dungeons because it all comes with downsides. Dungeonslice is a generic, synthetic fight which obviously has it's issues, droute is the alternative and sims and actual dungeon but does so with 0 variance, which gives you shit overfit statistics. Neither one is meant to give you an actual dps number you can look at, the same as patchwerk isn't meant to give you an actual dps number to look at for raids. Simulations are not the game, they are sterile environments that give you information about a given situation

[spice spire]

I am not saying that.

[balmy condor]

also why do we care if it's more or less raw dps

if it's 4% of 100k or 4% of a billion

it's still 4%

[lavish geyser]

dont care about the raw number

[balmy condor]

I see, I misunderstood then

[lavish geyser]

all good. but it does make alot of sense that its impossible to recreate an actual dungeon.

oh and btw do we never end up replacing the cyrce's circlet?

[royal lantern]

rn, no

will get nerfed somewhere down the line

[balmy condor]

the ideal situation is running all 8 dungeons through dungeonroute back to back, with multiple routes, and then adding variance

the issue with that is if you think dungeonslice is slow, sims of that nature would take literal weeks to run

[lavish geyser]

damn, replaced it pretty quickly as sub. so just kept it on. simmed it and saw that wasnt the move

[swift bluff]

Hang on to any extra rings. Nerf so likely

[lavish geyser]

soo many variables. How can you account for all that? seems like there are soo many possibilities that getting a very exact number will be impossible.

ig its still just gonna be a rough estimate after all that

[royal lantern]

all sims are

[lavish geyser]

youre a rough estimate

[golden loom]

you might play a patchwerk fight sim perfect

but you are not playing a dungeon sim perfect

so even then

[royal lantern]

i wish somebody would estimate me in a rough way

[balmy condor]

that's why we use synthetic generalized simulations as estimates

that's also why all the other class theorycrafters and randoms that show up with like +0.2% gains to the APL are cringe shitheads

cause who fucking cares

like realisitically

we're not that accurate if you're trying to compare to real world situations

especially in m+

it's just not possible to be that accurate

[lavish geyser]

yeah lols

[balmy condor]

so why are we freaking out about 0.1% from a gear swap or 0.2% from an APL change

[runic hinge]

“If you don’t do 5 things worth .2 that are cringe as hell you missing out on a whole 1%”

[lavish geyser]

that is also why i dont really care that much about gearing perfectly for class

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lavish geyser]

I play both sub and assa. I just run alot of assa gear. since I dont sim terrible with crit mastery on sub. so far at least. still gotta get that vers. but holding rings n sstuff for that

[royal lantern]

the funny thing there is

secondarys are not really big impact anyway

the only slots where a "perfect gear" really exists is trinkets

[lavish geyser]

its still a dps loss. but very minimal

[royal lantern]

but like, you can be fully decked out in the "worst stats" and its still not a big difference

and thats something that doesnt happen anyway lol

[lavish geyser]

ppl go nuts about trinkets. got the 2 min priory one, mage bought it off of me for 100k

lol

[royal lantern]

tww launch, people going crazy over M0 sacbrood

paying 500k+ gold

[lavish geyser]

hmm well idk about that. I wouldnt wanna be the 80% mastery outlaw lols

[royal lantern]

for a fucking m0 trinket

[lavish geyser]

ewwww

I thought it was that poisoned pact or whatever it was called. the ansurek ring

[haughty flicker]

time to start farming priory to sell the trinket for 500k

you know

if the servers would ever be up

[lavish geyser]

is that the best trinket out there for assa btw?

[haughty flicker]

would be easier

[haughty flicker]

house of cards is a bit better but much harder to get

[royal lantern]

ye

priory trinket and house of cards, priory is very slightly better

[lavish geyser]

I would have thought 1,5 min trinkets would be a bit weaker, but then make up for it, with more frequent uses. compared to a 2 min one

[royal lantern]

? why

[golden loom]

you still use it as a 2 min

[royal lantern]

doesnt line up

and 1,5min stuff is weaker then 2min stuff, cus its avaible more frequently

[lavish geyser]

well house of cards arent made for just assa rouges though

right?

[royal lantern]

1,5min trinkets are for specs that have 1,5min CDs

[lavish geyser]

so why did you question what I said. didnt I say the exact same thing?

[haughty flicker]

you just play it like its a 2m trinket

it still sims better

[royal lantern]

^

[lavish geyser]

daumn

[haughty flicker]

but again very minor

just take priory and enjoy life

[golden loom]

idk both trinkets are just skardyns grace

[lavish geyser]

I ideally want house cause I play sub as well

[lavish geyser]

true

[haughty flicker]

house is significantly better for sub yeah

[lavish geyser]

also, no minigame!!!!

myb buff wont fall down a hole

[hallow imp]

What do we craft?

[swift bluff]

Not a fan of chasing an orb, standing on a pedestal, or even jumping 3 times for my buff lol

[loud patio]

So the second craft.. wowhead says feet, cloak also seems like a solid option as do the wrists. Is there a huge difference between any of these or can I just choose one

[balmy condor]

choose one

[haughty flicker]

need a gif of whispyr scrolling through a hundred different sidegrades

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[haughty flicker]

thats even better

[mossy rapids]

Hi guys, someone can help me with mi logs i don't know if i'm doing well but i fell that i'm not doing somethig well. thanks :)
https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Yf7CkyZ8vPJpqmrG?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=17

[haughty flicker]

opener is all sorts of weird

if you look on wowhead you can find what the opener is and how to do it

i would practice that on a dummy for a while until you get used to it

[last skiff]

I crafted belt 675

[rain coral]

cant belive raid bot shows me me eye of kazn over seaforium

[balmy condor]

oof

[balmy condor]

a good trinket over another good trinket is crazy

[rain coral]

no but for me the rate of kazn dropping cant overcome saeaforium

[runic hinge]

This is a stupid question but I can just add in wrists/boots/belt/cloak in top gear with different stats now? and I don’t have to sim droptimizer which is just one set of stats

[balmy condor]

yes

add the gear using the thing at the top

rune-branded or whatever

then hit the + icon

[runic hinge]

Yeah I thought so

[balmy condor]

and you can recraft it

[runic hinge]

No more having 4 tabs open with each set of stats

[last skiff]

My life is over I crafted an item with switching stat for embell

Whispyr sayed to me oof

ff

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[last skiff]

[stark heart]

I choose you

[severe meadow]

Big fan of that emote

[acoustic kernel]

whats the best rotation to use? i'm currently following wowhead, and i only just started playing rogue a few days ago. i'm 628 and i'm looking to get into keys

[last skiff]

rotation and opener in wowhead for m +

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[acoustic kernel]

thank you!

[spice spire]

Un moment por favor

[tawdry mica]

How am I supposed to remove this neck if even the "current bis" ain't doing better

[spice spire]

It’s only bis if it’s max ilvl and the exact gear set

652 ain’t max ilvl

[tawdry mica]

Alright so I'm carrying a 626 til max myth gear

That doesn't sound right

[spice spire]

You’re not

I added to the bit

That’s likely not your best rn

[tawdry mica]

Hmm fine I'll save it for the future and run a dungeons sim to see what's the best

[spice spire]

Stats aren’t exact. They fluctuate over time and likely you don’t need vers and crit rn. As much as you want x other stat.
So the mastery from the 626 is keeping you there.
But if you found a mastery haste neck it may sim higher because that’s what you want

[last skiff]

nah too complicated

I just equip when I see mastery

[brave comet]

can you restore energy off the bikers in mythic geargrinder vexie?

do you guys use your 2 min cooldowns on pull?

[buoyant herald]

you kinda can on heroic

they'll come up again mid damage amp phase or if your guild is bad at aiming bikes

[spice spire]

[last skiff]

[merry juniper]

Hi, question... is it worth to use the Tea only for the mastery buff during Death's Mark in a single target boss fight from m+ ? i'm not using right now but i'm also having energy issues by the end of the fight, every long boss fight by the last 20% i'm starting to get energy hungry. Should i hold on evenom outside of my burst window and use it only at the last second to keep the envenom buff?

[balmy condor]

you macro it to shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hearty reef]

Hi whuspyr

[soft surge]

what 2nd piece do we crasft

boots

?

i wanna craft a neck

[balmy condor]

hi nike

[tight sparrow]

I think it dosent matter, your lowest ilvl spot

Whisper had a Video where he showed that there are 73 BiS Combination, so i think you either sim every spot or Just craft your lowest spot

[jaunty basin]

anyone got a good plater i can use top track the procs .. or is that a WA?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Both help

[brave comet]

i'm very proud of my first kill, and first attempt

[royal lantern]

be proud

thats sick

allright, with the new craft and haste/boots drop, i could actually fix my crit problem

and signet gives mastery now

no more crit memes

[scenic vine]

Is there a known bug around Darkest Night not properly applying Deathstalker's Mark or am I crazy?

[haughty flicker]

lmao

huge

[spice spire]

What context

Is it resetting on multiple deaths

Because if so

Yes

[desert vault]

can't push ascension on a crafted cloak?

[haughty flicker]

ive had a lot of weird behavior from darkest night this patch

i ignore it and play on

[haughty flicker]

ascension goes on the weapon

writhing armor patch goes on the other piece

[outer lodge]

what's the second craft going to be?

[royal lantern]

embelishment item ofc?

always get the 2 embelishments done first, then use crafts to fill out unlucky slots

[haughty flicker]

made a cloak since mine was dogshit

now i just need neck from dfc and seaforium and i can stop playing m+

[outer lodge]

lol i just meant what piece you were gonna craft with the 2nd embel on

[royal lantern]

belt

allready had it on belt, and have a hero wrist allready

[scenic vine]

I was fighting a boss yesterday in the raid.. There was about 5 seconds left on my darkest night because of a weird timing on the transition and not being able to hit the boss.. When I was able to, I quickly gen'd 7 cp's and envenomed, but it didn't apply deathstalker's..

Because of this, DSM was gone until I was able to re-vanish

I'll try to find it in my logs to verify

[spice spire]

Can just post the log

Assume it’s Richard reverberation?

[runic hinge]

I’ll give your Richard some reverberation

[scenic vine]

Wasn't a kill attempt, not sure hwich one it was.. Stix Bunkjunker, but I gotta find it.

[brave comet]

hey im pugging the second boss in mythic, cauldron. use CDs on cooldown right

[scenic vine]

Reviewed my attempts and looks like I dropped it because I was refreshing rupture instead of spending my 7 on an envenom.

[haughty flicker]

rip

[spice spire]

F.

[timber meadow]

dooes siphoning stilleto count as an emb?

[vernal agate]

Hello, when darkest night is active should you actively try to apply death mark stacks on the the target or should it be a passive thing?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

actively

[vernal agate]

Right, so even if I have 6 combo points I should muttilate again for the 7th stack?

[rotund oak]

yes

[scenic vine]

FoK i believe ^

But yes, get the point

[rotund oak]

only if ctw

[vernal agate]

What's ctw

[rotund oak]

or maybe it changed and i didnt notice

[blazing pumice]

it changed

see pin

[rotund oak]

clear the witnesses

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

fok

but yes

[vernal agate]

Right, thanks.

[rotund oak]

Fan of knives on 6cp if you have darkest night active (this is equal in raid builds but better in m+ builds)

yup here it is

cool cool

[vernal agate]

Thanks lads, one more quesation. In M+ when the tank doesnt let you restealth, should you try to garrote/rupture the entire pack or should you just focus on one mob and rely on caustic for your damage?

[rotund oak]

bleeds before all

u dont rly have energy without bleeding them up

so,avoiding spreading bleeds results in energy starvation

no energy no party

😉

[long pollen]

I see a lot of people just focus on one target in M+; so they spread at the initial hit from stealth and when vanish is up but otherwise don't seem to bother. Is that just... easy but less effective?

[balmy condor]

it's basically optimal

[merry juniper]

What is the minimal amount of haste you should have? i'm at 6%(2,2k) but think its too low maybe ?

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

that was too fast

[golden basin]

Hello guys, does anyone have a good WA to track darkest night and deathstalker ? I found one but doesnt work

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[runic hinge]

Should be in LE’s collection

[golden basin]

Yea it aint in Luxthos i will try this one thank you

[plucky token]

Can confirm that luxthos does track this

[hallow imp]

Are assa mastery haste now???

[balmy condor]

does this say mastery haste?

[balmy condor]

yes, compared to fatebound

[hallow imp]

So what is best😂

[balmy condor]

????????

[olive tusk]

this, like wirtten everywhere 😉

[runic hinge]

Ilvl

Is best

[earnest remnant]

i prefer the third one tho

[runic hinge]

When you get full myth 6/6 you can worry about secondaries

[buoyant herald]

i think you could have stressed the point more, still unclear

[runic hinge]

Maybe all the “always” should be caps

[marble hemlock]

certified "what is the best pet" moment

[buoyant herald]

i think the second always needs to be capitals

[runic hinge]

I need to look at pet battles bis list

[buoyant herald]

and the third needs to be a larger size and capitals

[earnest remnant]

do i play crit or spec pet on gs?

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME

oldie but goodie

[buoyant herald]

this is some classic lore, love it

[olive tusk]

"Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet is a strange hidden gem amongst all of the mediocre trinkets from this patch, if only due to a bug with Lingering Darkness. Lingering Darkness does affect trinkets for some reason, unlike every similar mechanic such as Improved Shiv. Because of this, casting Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet during Lingering Darkness is a massive benefit to this trinket that dramatically improves its value. Make sure to line it up for these windows."

This is still "bugged"? So I just use a WA to track my Lingering Darkness proc and make sure to use trinket when it pops out?

[balmy condor]

yes

[olive tusk]

ty God.

[marble hemlock]

i got a 624 mechanocore in vault this week cuz i only did like 6 t8 delves last week

unlucky

[olive tusk]

Does RAIDBOT "knows" this?

Cuz raidbot keep saying I should use my Quickwick Candlestick instead instead of my Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet (same ilvl)... My sec. stat distrib. is as follow:

[balmy condor]

yes

[olive tusk]

ok then... ty again.

[lethal python]

I'm using Luxthos' weak aura pack. How would I make the icon such as Crimson Tempest have a glowing border when its not applied to any targets?

[solid hound]

What do you guys say is the sweet spot for Mastery atm? think i overcapped with 19,3k 😮

GS 642

[blazing pumice]

whatever raidbots says

[olive tusk]

i can't tell u exactly but... Crimson Tempest shouldn't be used when 1 target, so, such an Aura needs exception for single target. And when mltiple target, when talented, u should always have it up. I am using the same WA as u (luxtos) and the WA is GREY when not applied to any target, so it's almost the same as what you want. Luxtos dont like to make everything glow up.

[buoyant herald]

CT does get used in ST with the bleed build but that's splitting hairs

[lethal python]

I guess I'll just try to pay attention more, I've realised I'm letting it fall off

[lavish geyser]

Does assa have alot of variance when it comes to the deathmark window?=

oh, just read tierset. ig that could be it

[hot pasture]

mugzee its kinda hard for assa no?

[haughty flicker]

its fine if you can stay outside the jails and hit boss

[hardy rapids]

avg outlaw player IQ

[haughty flicker]

if hes positioned properly you cleave both adds

[lavish geyser]

other then tierset does assa hvae any variance?

[timid cradle]

with the bleed build, what target count do you FOK over mutilate/ambush?

[blazing pumice]

2

you don't ambush unless applying DM

[timid cradle]

Is it correct to garrote twice when exiting stealth for single target for longer buffed bleed?

[buoyant herald]

pretty sure its 2 unless spatter upkeep

[blazing pumice]

you wait until improved garrote is about to run out

pandemic is only 33%

so you won't get full value doing it consecutively

[charred snow]

Having trouble staying alive on final bosses of t11 delves with healer brann, what are you guys doing?

also, which curios?

[polar rampart]

not doing t11 delves

[charred snow]

so no gilded crests?

[polar rampart]

just farm 7s

probably easier than a t11 delve with branns ai

i tried 1 with him as tank and he just held mobs in middle of ground effect and died

[runic hinge]

I just get the bosses health to zero before mine goes to zero

[balmy condor]

7's are multiple times easier than delve 11s

[polar rampart]

yeah, they made keys faceroll again

[runic hinge]

I thought 11 delves were easy as hell

[polar rampart]

besides the couple random dungeons with modern wow designer trash mobs

[timber meadow]

did anyone who exploited also get the additional spark quest that went out today lol?

[polar rampart]

they were trying to make up for the ppl who scammed cuz they couldnt roll them back easily

but just helped them more

but we got stuff too!

[timber meadow]

ah so confirmed, exploiters also got the additional spark?

[polar rampart]

i heard earlier

but maybe that was the plan and they gonna rem the extra half spark, but i doubt they doing anything clever fr

but i don't know anyone personally who did it but i believe i read on wowhead they also got one

[limber granite]

what embellish for m+ pls mates?

[polar rampart]

uhh the crit thread??

whispyr prolly has it in pins fr

[misty holly]

11s are such a joke this season. I wouldn't be surprised if delves get re-buffed for S3, I think they overdid it.

at max gear in S1 tier 11 delves were harder than going in without a single piece of new gear this season.

[runic hinge]

Took me longer to acquire the 3 keys for the gilded than it did to run the 11’s

[slow pine]

hey guys do u ve a pov rogue assa undermines video or something to learn?

[charred snow]

what curios are you running for brann?

and healer brann or still tank?

[misty holly]

dinosaurs!

[lethal python]

assuming you didn't exploit, how many sparks should we be at right now, 2?

[hollow river]

Ye, 2

[runic hinge]

Healer brann with Dino’s and the rig

[runic hinge]

Are you doing pve

[hollow river]

I’ve been trying to catch up ye

Been a bitch and a half ngl

[lethal heart]

[uneven plume]

does the timewalking weekly give a spark?

[blazing pumice]

no

[soft surge]

could give a nice trinket

[amber brook]

The sparks was an exploit?

[hollow river]

ye so they added it for everyone

[amber brook]

What even was the exploit

[hollow river]

you could force 2nd spark this week

[buoyant herald]

expolit is a bit rough, definitely possible to do by accident

[haughty flicker]

yeah i think thats why they decided to deal with it the way they did

wouldve been impossible to tell who did it on purpose and who did it accidentally

[shadow badger]

I’ve been asked to shelve the daggers for this patch to fill a hunter spot. I’ll see you guys in the near future. 🫡

Please continue dooming without me

[royal lantern]

your guild has 2 rogues?????

thats a rare one

[buoyant herald]

mine has 3

they recognise the value

[royal lantern]

value?

stacking melee dps is no value

[lusty mountain]

guys, a friend of mine is telling me that bloodmallet isn't trustworthy because they say in the druids discord it's not safe to use is this true? isnt bloodmallet just raidbots?

[royal lantern]

thats 1 1/2 players that sit on the bench most of the time

[royal lantern]

that Sounds like the ussual BS you hear from boomkins, ngl

[lusty mountain]

i hate them

[severe sparrow]

what does that even mean, "not safe to use"

[lusty mountain]

is not trustable

basically

[severe sparrow]

well i mean it's not like, 100% accurate unless you;re walking around wearing what their sim man is wearing so there's that unless you do their patreon thing i think (? idk i am not a patron i just sim myself raw lol)

[buoyant herald]

means you better go to your doctor for a blood test you may now be sick

[haughty flicker]

sounds like boomkin propaganda

[buoyant herald]

but for real, as for all things to do with sims, context is important

"why does bloodmallet tell me to use house of cards AND transmitter as my best 2 trinkets? when do i use the second one?"

[royal lantern]

i like how everyone hears stupid shit from the druid discord and just knows its from the boomkins

[spice surge]

Bloodmallet isnt wrong, its just not entirely right. It shows a sim with only 1 trinket

So you cant just pick the 2 highest listed ones on bloodmallet because thats not necessarily the best 2 trinkets

[severe sparrow]

oh jeez i also never thought of that

[buoyant herald]

thats the context

[spice surge]

But if youre looking for a non-sim way to compared say energy drink and sigil of algari concordance, then its fine

Still less accurate than simming yourself, but you know

[late gulch]

is eye of kezan worth using in keys? got one from tw quest

[lusty mountain]

gotcha, thank u bois

[wicked valve]

Worth spending 60 gildeds to recraft weapon at max for +3.5% dps?

[supple compass]

the enchanted runed crest is pmuch useless since it requires a crest still right

[timber meadow]

does splatter actually reach this far?

[balmy condor]

yes

[timber meadow]

does it matter wher eyou stand or just where the boss is positioned?