assassination

[buoyant herald]

99% sure this what our resident guidewriter has said yes

[balmy condor]

Is this real screenshot

[fathom flax]

Is this real life

Is this just a fanta-sea

[haughty flicker]

we havent had a good garf chain in a while

makes me sad

[mighty crown]

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[dapper cradle]

saw you pacing on stream

[onyx rain]

i know this is the theory but running out of tea feels bad

[dapper cradle]

looking cute tonight king

[cerulean walrus]

Now we're gaming

[balmy condor]

And you’d magically not run out of tea otherwise?

[cerulean walrus]

Bro hoarding tea

[dapper cradle]

is there a decaf build for tea?

[runic hinge]

Is math just a theory now?

[onyx rain]

hoarding indeed

[onyx rain]

i mean. i guess if you're saying its normal to eventually run out and hate life then

im in line

[fathom flax]

getting there

thuggin

[cerulean walrus]

Got the thug shaker

[runic hinge]

goon squad trinket

When the whole squad gooning

[cerulean walrus]

Got that pacemaker to restart my heart after gooning too hard

[fathom flax]

missed out on a champion eye of kezan last night

time 2 get the pacemaker

[grave trail]

in H galiwyx can u caustic adds by hitting boss?

when hes in the middle that is

small add

[fathom flax]

its in the pins

[rough lodge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/McKfZvNaGyJjHTbm?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=4

Can anybody give me any advice for cleaning up Sprocketmonger? I didn't feel like I did terrible but I was a lot further down than my other bosses, I know I wasn't even close to perfect but wanted to just clean it up a bit more for next week

[sudden torrent]

Use the delve build, stealth before each group, when extra adds spawn at a boss vanish and get back in it. You will get energy. Kick down boss, toss in a few fan of knives and the other one and keep cooking. This is all assuming your getting dots on all the ads at once where it spreads along with indescribable charge

[grave trail]

pin too smart for me

[balmy condor]

You run out of energy naturally and no matter what you’re gonna drink tea when that happens so yeah you’re gonna run out of tea

[haughty flicker]

ok dn is definitely not being refunded again when you kill mobs with it

hopefully its just the servers being borked atm

[knotty kestrel]

any macros I should worry about?

!macros

[manic sphinx]

omg just got my signet priory

[haughty flicker]

huge

[manic sphinx]

got it on a 7, insta 6/6

bye bye Skardyn's grace 😢

[hollow river]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[fading wigeon]

guys i learned the hard way

it is possible to shadowstep into the hole on gally

lol so dumb

[supple compass]

how are u guys spending ur gildeds rn

[haughty flicker]

only ones ive spent are crafted dagger and the myth track priory trinket i got from vault

otherwise im being a greedy boi

[tawdry halo]

crafted dagger

then waiting for good gear to spend it on

[manic sphinx]

Yep, crafted dagger, and just used now on trinkets

[onyx rain]

fair enough just feels bad later into fights

[robust juniper]

@hollow river What did you mean with "we are going to win weapons on 3rd week?"

[old obsidian]

with this % i go all 4 pieces? brothers?

[hollow river]

if you mean for pvp, we get free weapons week 3

[ripe echo]

Hello rogue friends, I've been running LoU and I average about 1-1.1m DPS with 1.3m as a high note on some fights but it feels so incredibly low.
Sims say I should be hitting 1.6m, even if I switch my gear fully over to m+ BiS with set pieces in the sim I only seem to gain 20-60k DPS.
I have been talking to another rogue that seems to think I'm doing things properly as far as the rotation goes but thinks my jacked up secondaries from bad drops is accounting for what seems to be a huge lack of damage so I figured I'd come to where the smart people are and check if you guys also think an overabundance of haste is enough to tank me.

[robust juniper]

Really?

For pvp, how does it work?

[hollow river]

.

earning 2500 conquest completes an achievement and gives you 2 tokens to buy weapons for free

same as last season

[robust juniper]

Ah, ok

[manic sphinx]

Sim is always best. But I htink haste is not good for us.

[drifting cloud]

pretyped

[storm forum]

Haste for the haste gods

[hollow river]

stats aren't really going to make a big drop off in dmg

[balmy condor]

That’s a lot of haste but really the thing to note here is that if you’re simming yourself at 1.6, isn’t that already accounting for your stats?

[dapper cradle]

does anyone have sims for perfect stat weights

[balmy condor]

Like if we’re comparing to sims why are we talkin stats

[dapper cradle]

i want to have the ideal spread

[balmy condor]

It’s your character both times

[dapper cradle]

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[balmy condor]

Real

[storm forum]

[ripe echo]

No I was meaning that if I sim myself It implies I should be hitting 1.6m-ish.
I checked with the m+ BiS gear from your guide simmed at hero 1/6 and the DPS change is almost non-existent and that would include switching all that haste to crit/mastery.

I'm really just trying to get to the root of my DPS issue and it was suggested to me that the stats could be a big part in it but I don't think so, so I came here to check if maybe I'm wrong on that.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s rotational

Like if it’s saying 1.6, you go into a raid where there’s a bunch of aoe, and then not getting close to 1.6

That’s rotational

Also please don’t use my bis lists

[manic sphinx]

lol i remember your vid about saying something like 60 possible combinations within like 0.3% of each other or something 😅

[balmy condor]

I have to put them there to appease the SEO gods that wrap their hands around my neck like the fucking reaper

They ain’t there for humans to actually use

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[wispy moss]

cant you craft your own gear now without using the order system or whats up with that?

[balmy condor]

You can but it’s 1 spark every 2 weeks

So that’s pretty slow

[wispy moss]

where do u do it?

[balmy condor]

Crafting orders vendor in dorn

Oh without

No

[storm forum]

BiS list for disc priest: good cause they want infinite haste and it's a list of the best its with haste.

BiS list for 99% of dps: bad cause they want a more even spread of stats that synergize with each other in different ratios.

[drifting cloud]

what do you mean without? sure if you have the profession, only difference is you dont need the enchanting bs

[balmy condor]

Can’t do that afaik

[wispy moss]

i thought i heard them say something in the patchnotes

[manic sphinx]

There was a change where you can craft from warband bank now, I think that wasn't possible in s1

[balmy condor]

76 combinations of just helms chests and capes

Throw in all the other slots and enchants and gems

You’re looking at closer to 800

But yeh

[winged sun]

Just go ilvl >mastery crit for m+ and alt f4

[balmy condor]

Bis is silly in 2025

[manic sphinx]

bis really for weps and trinkets i guess

[winged sun]

Not even weapons cuh

[balmy condor]

Why weapons

[winged sun]

Just trinkets

[balmy condor]

They do the same damage that’s just secondaries too

If anything bis matters even less for weapons cause mainhand ilvl is way more important than any secondaries

[manic sphinx]

Cos i can equip fist weapons and stuff 😅

[balmy condor]

Homie what

[winged sun]

Brother

Ass uses dagger only

[manic sphinx]

j/k j/k ...but yea

[winged sun]

I don’t think u were joking but ok

[manic sphinx]

Ofcourse

I made that mistake when I first rolled ass last season and went into a delve

[severe meadow]

[manic sphinx]

So we use daggers only, but we can equip other shit - which I found weird

So dagger = bis

Anyway...

[winged sun]

Ye we can play 20 tanks for mythic raid

Might aswell right

[severe meadow]

You can equip a bow if you're feeling yourself

Lil ranged parse

[runic hinge]

I’m feeling something

[severe meadow]

[timid vale]

Did you change trinkets list by chance recently?

[balmy condor]

Probably

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

I review it with every tuning pass

So pretty likely it’s changed

[lavish brook]

Does it sound correct that my 619/626 2P (last season) will be only be 0.7% worse than 653/653 2P this season?

[runic hinge]

Sub rogue in the one armed bandit kill. We’re saved from the fotm again.

liquid

[lavish brook]

I'm simming it, but I'm not sure if its adding in my 2p set bonus from this season

[dreamy gale]

what do you usually sim for m+

[rotund oak]

confusing question^^

[dreamy gale]

made it more clearer 😄

[rotund oak]

as in what simulation model?

we go with dungeon slice for m+

[dreamy gale]

perfectoo ty

[rotund oak]

yw fam

[hollow river]

You want to try and use both 2p for a while

[balmy condor]

2+2 should be better

The four piece is the one that’s hard to replace

[buoyant herald]

2+2 is better for me in ST, new 4pce better in dslice apparently

[balmy condor]

Now THAT

Is interesting

Cause it has similar problems in dslice

[buoyant herald]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4zNSMex4JJPR5K7js7HQuy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/34BSPP7Cq7qjTZYXVA4AWV

[rotund oak]

it was the same for me but my ilvl is a bit lower

[balmy condor]

Oh bleed build

Yeah that’ll do it

I think with hybrid it’s still fucked

When I simmed hybrid it really wanted the kb/envenom dam from old 2 piece

[rotund oak]

cool cool

[haughty flicker]

oh interesting

i might sim that

[buoyant herald]

ye simmed both the hybrid and bleed and looks like it likes bleed, good news for me

[silent drift]

Anyone got a winning streak wa?

[haughty flicker]

no i stay losing

[balmy condor]

What good would it do to track winning streak

[chilly phoenix]

is the old set bouns better than the new one or should i keep gettinmg the newer ones

[balmy condor]

Pins

[chilly phoenix]

how do i farm the old set doing the raid i guess

[haughty flicker]

no point

even if you did find 20 people to go do mythic np for some reason, you couldnt upgrade the pieces anyway

so they would lose to heroic tier pretty easily

[chilly phoenix]

ahh

[young pebble]

How are you all playing Stix? I feel I'm losing too much uptime and ramp chasing adds and crabs, trying to garrote and rupture what I can.

[haughty flicker]

anything not in range of spatter is rangeds problem

[fleet pagoda]

he's right

[young pebble]

So you're sitting on boss the whole time?

[haughty flicker]

pretty much

[balmy condor]

Yep

[haughty flicker]

ideally ranged break bombshells off trash piles and they get gripped in/brought to boss

[balmy condor]

We are melee fire mage

[haughty flicker]

so you dont ahve to do anything

[balmy condor]

We pick a target (the boss)

And everything out of range of caustic is not my fucking problem

Can I get an amen

[haughty flicker]

[red schooner]

amen

[balmy condor]

[young pebble]

I will never complain about being told to tunnel a boss the whole fight. 🙂

[fleet pagoda]

[balmy condor]

Problem is just our two biggest aoe tools are caustic and crimson tempest and deathstalker/kingsbane/deathmark locks us to 1 target

So if we ever have to change targets, aids

If we have to lose uptime away from our mark, aids

If there’s shit that’s not in range of ct/caustic, aids + L + one grip?

[haughty flicker]

me when rl tells me i need to hard swap to barrels on rik so i rupture+caustic and do 0 barrel damage anyway

[balmy condor]

Bro remember how I was crashing out about not standing in the elemental jail soak on mug’zee

[red schooner]

Now to send this conversation to my raid leader who keeps calling me out when I funnel

[balmy condor]

I tried it in heroic and I just legit did more add damage hitting boss instead

This spec is so fucked lowkey

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s neat I guess

But also Jesus

[haughty flicker]

its probably not the most healthy thing ever

but me hit boss

[young pebble]

It really seems counter intuitive to be this huge DoT based melee spec, but your ST is better than multi dotting.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Well that’s the thing

[young pebble]

I mean I love it. It's easier.

[balmy condor]

We haven’t been dot based

In many years

[drifting cloud]

are they easier to hit now or does your guild move boss inbetween

[haughty flicker]

we're envenom the spec

with dots attached

[balmy condor]

^ that

[balmy condor]

They hold boss on the side of one cage

It reaches

[iron igloo]

blizz don't like dot specs anymore

[red schooner]

The dots give us more envenoms

[balmy condor]

Dot specs are hard to balance to be fair, so I get why dots got nuked

[dusky vault]

In ST when we're low on energy to we pool to maintain 1 envenom buff or to maintain 2 stacks?

[balmy condor]

Like realistically if rupture/gar were 40% of our single target lets say

How do you stop that from going insanely out of control in aoe

You can’t

[iron igloo]

very true it was years of spriest/boomkins/aff locks suckin up all the spread cleave

[balmy condor]

Neither

[dusky vault]

We just send 24/7?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah brother

[balmy condor]

If I do this how cancer is it

Hold on

Yeah that’s aids

[iron igloo]

oh my

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Excellent feature discord

[subtle tundra]

ILL TOUCH YOU I WILL

why does it say The buffs coming with weekly reset will be in raidbots with the weekly reset.

[balmy condor]

I will be using the forward feature in the future to send a 27 terabyte zip folder bomb of femboy goonbait uploaded directly into your smart glasses and they will explode fucking watch who you’re talking to

[subtle tundra]

are we buffed?

[subtle tundra]

idc im already fucked

[balmy condor]

We were, I didn’t change that

[subtle tundra]

erghmmmmmmm

when

[balmy condor]

Start of season

Ct/rup/demise buff

Arterial 8 target

[subtle tundra]

not even start of season bud

was like ptr

🤨

[balmy condor]

It was the day before Cara’s

Yeah

Cara’s

That’s your name now

[subtle tundra]

you tried

[balmy condor]

My phone doesn’t think you deserve the respect

[subtle tundra]

thank god

[runic hinge]

Gamer Cara's

[subtle tundra]

i swear to god if after we kill rik tonight i find out i have to play stix

sd fiapu fuijxu4tiy3 isdif njz kurhgqupikfds ;xcv hyw

^ this

[balmy condor]

You’re windwalker

Don’t you have to play everything

[subtle tundra]

i hope not stix

[balmy condor]

Liquid played like 37 of them on every fight

[haughty flicker]

Imagine not bringing 4 monks to every fight

[subtle tundra]

method played 1, liquid 2, echo 0

so like

[drifting cloud]

tell them to go sprocket

[subtle tundra]

stix nerfs are way too big

[drifting cloud]

do you have comp

or atleast most of it

[subtle tundra]

probably

[haughty flicker]

The bench all melee comp

[subtle tundra]

we geared a dudu

[subtle tundra]

i fucking wish

i swear to god if im in

i still have 639 neck and no mythic weapon im upset

[drifting cloud]

do you think stix gets above 20-30 kills this week

[subtle tundra]

yeah

the nerfs mean you play more healers

[haughty flicker]

And as many prot worgen as possible

[subtle tundra]

huge value

[drifting cloud]

gues we will see, im slightly sceptical

but I guess those 5 days guild prob have enough time

and can just bring in some 650 druid if needed

[subtle tundra]

its like a spreadsheet fight

[haughty flicker]

I think at least 20 kill for sure

[subtle tundra]

i really dont want to play it

sprocket on the other hand

holy!

[drifting cloud]

in theory sprocket should be chill next week

and fight doesnt change with gear nearly as much as stix

[golden loom]

sprocket looks like a cinema fight

[subtle tundra]

dont we get a dps buff next week?

[drifting cloud]

ye

[golden loom]

yeah 3% next week

[subtle tundra]

yeah thats huge

[hidden torrent]

Come again?

[golden loom]

did liquid just fuck one armed bandit or what happend

[haughty flicker]

56 pulls

In and out

Despite gingi emp

[subtle tundra]

echo si gonna have like 20 pulls on it

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/lebronjames-lebron-james-comeonman-come-gif-8267296058396993771

[haughty flicker]

Probably

[drifting cloud]

wait echo isnt done with splits yet?

[subtle tundra]

and start prog on mugzee

[haughty flicker]

Echo has definitely been playing better

[haughty flicker]

They’ve been dark since Tuesday so who knows

[drifting cloud]

theyre live right now :d

[haughty flicker]

Oh they started today then good

[golden loom]

yeah gingi has been live for 21 min

[haughty flicker]

Yeah didn’t know they started today

[lavish brook]

Would anyone be willing to help me decide which piece to use my curio on? I'm a pug aotc player, there seems to be a lot of complications due to the 2p/2p sitch

[haughty flicker]

They’re definitely gonna go in and destroy that boss

[lavish brook]

pug aotc as in eventual aotc, not aotc this patch

[haughty flicker]

Might even kill mugzee today

[drifting cloud]

did they stream reclear or they havent even done it?

[subtle tundra]

meow meow meow meow

[haughty flicker]

[lavish geyser]

How big of a dmg buff is 4-set?

[subtle tundra]

like a 4

[lavish geyser]

4% dmg gain? I assume st?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[lavish geyser]

What abt m+?

[balmy condor]

Like 5%

[lavish brook]

Are we expecting a buff to 4-piece? Lol, this 2p/2p this is driving me mental

[obtuse ruin]

are people not talenting into Sanguine Blades for m+ anymore?

[hearty seal]

wonder how long is a 639 ara eggsac going to stay competitive with mechanocore potentially going up to 658

[obtuse ruin]

icy veins guide doesnt have sanguine blades in M+ build

[peak bobcat]

Any tips for rik-reverb for doing barrel damage

[grim jay]

No

[peak bobcat]

Without fucking up my mark

[grim jay]

Its also nothing new

Happens frequently

You will eventually use 4p anyways, so they wont care

[subtle tundra]

play another spec

nothing else

[peak bobcat]

Reroll windwalker

[subtle tundra]

hiii hiiii hi hiiiiiiiiiiii

hii

<---

[haughty flicker]

ignore barrels hit boss

[grim jay]

Sub has dance for most barrels aswell

[haughty flicker]

dont make the mistake i was gaslit into making

[subtle tundra]

idk i hate ww cause its literally pad-maxxing spec

its literally how many aoe abilities can you fit on the adds

[peak bobcat]

Windwalker doing almost the same st as me but 200 million more to barrels

Gg blizzard

[subtle tundra]

ww should be smoking you on st too

😉

[balmy condor]

We’re expecting nothing but if you want to cope about anything you can cope that the old 2 piece gets nerfed

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

They’re not going to do that either probably

But like

Ya know, if you need the mental support of a delusional to cling to

[haughty flicker]

-4% aura nerf after race ends

ez

[runic hinge]

I have lots of delusions it’s okay

[hidden torrent]

I’m clinging to 3% buff next week that was just mentioned, but I have no idea where that came from.

[chilly phoenix]

What 2 trinkets should i aim for easy ones to get atleast

[haughty flicker]

thats just 3% bonus damage in raid

[golden loom]

its the renown buff

[haughty flicker]

from the raid renown track

[hidden torrent]

So the same 3% buff that everyone is getting. Psh.

[golden loom]

true I hate my teammates doing damage

fuck them!

[haughty flicker]

yeah fuck those guys

[balmy condor]

Bro has negative aura

💀

[subtle tundra]

bro has brain tumor

💀

i need my ass cheeks touched and aroused

ngl

[lavish brook]

Can I view this rule: "2+2 is going to be better until around 662-665 ilvl tier" as a +23ilvl increase to each S1 piece?

My S1 tier gear is hero track

[haughty flicker]

you can view it as sim yourself

[arctic shale]

always be simming

[haughty flicker]

exact numbers will depend on a lot

but robot knows best

[lavish brook]

I'm not even sure how to sim it properly. I'm trying to spend a champ curio lol

or give it to my brother

[haughty flicker]

can do it in top gear pretty easily

just add the item in on whatever track/ilvl it'll be

[lavish brook]

Thanks! I didnt realize I could do that outside of gear compare.

[haughty flicker]

ye raidbots is op

[drifting cloud]

gear compare is merged into top gear now

very good feature

[balmy condor]

Gear compare is worthless yeah

[stiff geode]

👋

Just here to nitpick and/or confirm which delve build is right 😅

The summary of import codes at the top of the wowhead guide has the mythic+ and delve builds with the same import string, meanwhile the focused delve tree down the page has a different build/import string.

[haughty flicker]

i imagine whispyr just put random shit for delve build

just play m+ build in delves

swap to st before boss

[stiff geode]

appreciate the reply! I just came back for TWW and hit 80 earlier so it was time to start looking into things.

[red schooner]

Now to play the game of 'will the raid leader let me funnel tonight or will he complain at me for not hard switching to adds', I just wanna funnel man

[haughty flicker]

just link this and go back to hitting boss

[bronze plover]

hi

is there any winning streak weak aura?

[red schooner]

Done

We wait and see

Had to hard target swap on one armed bandit last reset

[peak bobcat]

Saving

[blazing pumice]

there's nothing to gain in having a win streak aura

literally just occupying up screen space

[red schooner]

But ye I'll throw a rupture on the add but isn't hard swapping a DPS loss overall?

[haughty flicker]

i knew saving these images would come in hadny

just didnt know it would be this early

[peak bobcat]

If you lose your mark you are literally another tank in st

[red schooner]

This is like me sending a doctor sick note to work

[red schooner]

I swapped to avoid being called out

[royal lantern]

use a 2cp rupture and call it a day

[red schooner]

Which fucked me DPS wise but meant I wasn't being slapped by the raid leader

[royal lantern]

[red schooner]

I tried, that isn't enough

Apparently

[royal lantern]

he stupid then

[red schooner]

This is why I have sent him the two images

We will see if he listens to reason

Or not

[stiff geode]

please keep us updated, we're all invested.

[red schooner]

NW a comprehensive report will follow at some point

[supple spindle]

brother, assa st is so boring

my bad

[haughty flicker]

[idle inlet]

is signet only good if you cant get the active to give mastery? my sim is showing it to only be a 2% gain when it is 23 item levels higher than my skardyn's grace. here is the sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbDTGXQHCECeQUskSXr2w7

[haughty flicker]

is your crit higher than your mastery

[idle inlet]

yes

[haughty flicker]

then ye gg

[blazing pumice]

it's not a good trinket

[haughty flicker]

gotta go get some mastery gear then priory will be good

[blazing pumice]

none of the dungeon trinkets are

[haughty flicker]

its your best bet outside of house of cards

like sure it isnt great but its better than the alternatives

[golden loom]

crazy thing to say

[balmy condor]

Chat, if my internet outage went from estimated 12:45 to “as soon as possible”

I’m cooked right

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[golden loom]

are american internet providers just all cooked

[balmy condor]

No but mine is

[golden loom]

feel like I've heard every streamer I watch either say fuck spectrum, fuck comcast, fuck whatever else there is

[hollow river]

About half of em

Depends a lot on location

[haughty flicker]

internet at my house is so bad im better off using phone hotspot

lmao

[golden loom]

fried

[balmy condor]

My internet this week has been out more than it’s been on

[golden loom]

what kind of speeds and prices do you guys have

[red schooner]

500mbit down, £35 a month

It's alright

[hollow river]

I’ve got 600mb for $50

[golden loom]

got 300/300 for 20 euros

[hollow river]

I still need to swap providers

[balmy condor]

I pay 135 a month for 1200 down 50 up, and realistically I get maybe 500-700 down 35 up on a good day

[hollow river]

I’m going to swap to 1gig for like $90

With a more reliable company

[golden loom]

135 per month bruhh

[balmy condor]

California when anything exists

Yes

[hollow river]

Whispyr’s in one of the most expensive states

[golden loom]

I am kinda jealous of my friends that studied in the capital though, they had 1 gig for free in their apartments

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Not only one of the most expensive states

I am also in one of the most expensive areas

In said state

[subtle tundra]

chat cock me

[royal lantern]

its equal/slightly better then house of cards

lol

[red schooner]

Wowhead better be paying you giga money

[runic hinge]

I pay 120 a month for Starlink to cut out when a cloud goes over head

[hollow river]

There’s nothing better than comcast there?

I’m sure we’ve talked about this before

I forgor

[balmy condor]

At&t offers me 350 down 10 up for 120 a month

[royal lantern]

thats the german part haunting you

bad internet providers is in your DNA

[golden loom]

10 up

..

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

As a streamer

Btw

[hollow river]

ATT is more reliable usually in my experience

But that up is bad

[balmy condor]

Twitch alone is 6-8 up

Spiking upwards of 12 sometimes depending on buffer and shit

So 120 a month for 10

Is uh

Not appealing

[runic hinge]

120 a month

[balmy condor]

I also had a Comcast guy in my guild that called in a favor of a friend of a friend and like the problem is on their end as well

We seen it

I just gotta keep bitching about it

And escalate to someone who can actually fucking do something about it

[manic sphinx]

So i learned that this week. So I went from green/grey parses in normal to purple and orange. I know normal doesn't mean much, but i'll do heroic tonight. Was really trying to dps adds, and then learned just stick with Caustic and cleave the adds isntead of trying to be a hero

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Target swapping is for losers

And we are not losers

[golden loom]

it felt so good not going into jail on mugzee

[royal lantern]

speak for yourself

[manic sphinx]

Right now, I can't even get into 6s...

[haughty flicker]

need to be 2500 io and 660 ilvl to pug 6 as a solo dps

[tight sparrow]

Just play your own key, thats how i get anything done in this game

[haughty flicker]

better to put up your own key

[royal lantern]

do your own key/plax with guildmates or Friends

[manic sphinx]

Trying to farm Floodgate

[royal lantern]

why would you play m+ with randoms lol

[balmy condor]

Bro what the hell are we doing here your m+ queue looks like a fucking fifa bracket

[manic sphinx]

Noone in my guild runs with me, and literally have no friend son this either 😦 It wa sthe bane of my s1. At least in a guild now for raiding, but yea, seems puglife for me

rofl

[tight sparrow]

Only start farming when you got a lot of Rio by playing your own key XD

[haughty flicker]

my new guild actually has people who do m+ that i can join

compared to my old one where it was one group of 5 who always did it together and no one else did m)

and holy fuck its so nice not pugging every key

[manic sphinx]

It's a WA cos I'm on OCE server, so just need to make sure ping is okay. Don't want your comcast-like issues 😅

[haughty flicker]

turns out m+ is actually kind of fun when its a group and not 5 randoms

[balmy condor]

I’ve literally never had issues with OCE

[manic sphinx]

That's awesome

[balmy condor]

I’ve had many issues with Comcast

[hollow river]

i played with some OCE gamers last night, wasn't so bad. ~220 ping

[royal lantern]

thats literally all of WoW

[balmy condor]

I get like 95 ping to OCE

[haughty flicker]

nah dont need randoms in my transmog runs

these people tried to invite me to a key while i was farming castle nathria

wtf were they thinking

[balmy condor]

This has been my experience too, considering if I want to go title this season maybe

Just to like do it once

[manic sphinx]

I'm trialling at my guild. So I'm not in the "in crowd" yet, and dont get asked

[balmy condor]

That’s a yikes

[haughty flicker]

im trialing too and havent had that issue

time to find a new guild

[balmy condor]

We trialed a mage on Tuesday after he applied Tuesday morning

And by the end of Tuesdays raid he got 3 pieces of tier and mainhand

[haughty flicker]

yeah first week i got two pieces of tier

which was wild

i wasnt expecting to get shit

turns out my last guild might have just kinda sucked

[golden loom]

Glad I didnt take the lockenstock cloak from vault cause got it from raid yesterday 😎

[manic sphinx]

Damn, I've had no gear from 2 normal runs and 5/8 H so far. Got tier shoulders last night, but asked to give it to someones 4pc - which is fine. Since i'm still running 2+2

[golden loom]

The on use on the cloak actually goes hard

[haughty flicker]

i need that cloak

for my transmog runs

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s crazy

You don’t have fun

And then you join a guild of decent humans

That actually try to make a connection and welcome you

And it’s not dogshit anymore

[supple spindle]

lmao how do you even get these speeds

[haughty flicker]

yup

[royal lantern]

and now you know what a non-shit guild is like, and will never stay in a shit one

[haughty flicker]

turns out tindral killing my guild might have been the best thing that couldve happened to me lmao

inb4 two weeks from now i fail trial and get kicked

[strange python]

Tindral killing my guild was the worst thing in my wow life, hasn’t been the same since

[royal lantern]

its legit insane how many people join us and ask "are people throwing slurs around?"

[strange python]

It’ll be better at some point

[supple spindle]

personally, i don't

but voices urge me to try out

[haughty flicker]

i prefer to be the one throwing slurs

[strange python]

Well it really depends on the people, my guild was full of degens and we did throw slurs like crazy but we also always made sure to be vocal about what we are

[haughty flicker]

get it started early so they cant catch you slacking

[strange python]

So while we might not be ethical

Our guild climate was crazy good

Very small nieche of people

[balmy condor]

We make note that we’ll make sexualized jokes and shit, like we’re not a guild for kids or whatever, and the most common response is either “yeah whatever” or an LGBT person who’s scared to be hate crimed

It’s actually insane what a cesspool this game is

[golden loom]

Slurs are for the homies

[royal lantern]

any game really

[strange python]

This

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess you’re right

[strange python]

Bro I told people when they joined that shit is gonna happen

Then a day after I get a dm about how bad of humans we are

Because of what we would call a harmless joke

I warned you what do you mean

[royal lantern]

we had a healer join at the end of last tier, and she was legit SCARED to ever speak in VC cus of how bad her experiences where in the past

like, bruh, why cant people just be normal

[strange python]

Well

What is normal

Is very subjective

[haughty flicker]

i genuinely feel bad for any women who play games and have to deal with that shit whenever they talk in vc

people are so fucking weird

[balmy condor]

Why be normal when can be not normal

I mean I shouldn’t be talking I’m very unhinged

[radiant raven]

Normal is boring. But being decent to other people is pretty cool.

[balmy condor]

But at least people understand that I’m not an asshole

[royal lantern]

im not normal aswell, but in the "makes dumb comments and stupid/horny jokes" way

[haughty flicker]

oh im weird as fuck but at least i dont make people uncomfortable to even be around me like some Gamers

at least i hope not lmao

[radiant raven]

S a m e

I think it just comes down to being decent to other people, and not being malicious or aggresive about their identities or whatever, right?

[golden loom]

I would go to jail if people heard what was said in my friendgroups teamspeak, but we have known eachother for 15-20 years and had the server for 12 years so its all contained there and not brought out on normal people

[balmy condor]

I’m uncomfortable being around you, I think maybe it would be more comfortable if we took our clothes off?

[haughty flicker]

i definitely would be accused of hatecrimes if people read my friends discord

[balmy condor]

Blizzcon next year gonna be a wild time

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

You’re coming blizzcon next year and I’m gonna call you a slur to your face and kiss you on the forehead how bout that

Wait how tall are you

[hollow river]

i'm 6'

[balmy condor]

Okay that’s forehead kissable

Anything over like 6’3 and I’d need a lil step stool

[hollow river]

where is it gonna be? cali?

[balmy condor]

I’d assume Anaheim like usual

Idk if they announced where

[marble hemlock]

they did

[balmy condor]

Anaheim?

[marble hemlock]

and you are correct

[balmy condor]

Yeah okay

[hollow river]

idk if i'll ever go to a blizzcon

[marble hemlock]

you dont have a choice

RH meetup at blizzcon next year

be there or be square

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

You’re literally bitchless atm and I’m offering myself with a google calendar invite you can rsvp to

And bro says nah I’m good

Holy hell

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppet-muppets-sesame-street-gif-9161246941131061917

[hollow river]

its so far away

[drifting cloud]

how did you know what I dreamt of last night

[balmy condor]

I was there

Literally in your dreams and you wonder how I know

Hello?

[hollow river]

oh holy shit

[haughty flicker]

[hollow river]

its on my bday

[haughty flicker]

Well now you have to go

[balmy condor]

Notrickz x Whispyr Blizzcon Bathroom Birthday Bash

[hollow river]

[idle inlet]

how bad is playing in an oce group from midwestern usa?

is it mega bad?

[hollow river]

it's usually like +100-200 extra ping

[blazing pumice]

like 280ms

[slate crown]

I have had very bad experiences

[hollow river]

but it's not impossible

[idle inlet]

yikes dog

[blazing pumice]

unless you are on west coast, oce is shit

[slate crown]

Like +1k ms

[idle inlet]

i really need these crests before raid tomorrow tho

[slate crown]

I’m us central

[hollow river]

i'm on the east cost

and did keys with some oce last night

[blazing pumice]

central/west to oce is like 280-300ms

[hollow river]

around ~220 ping, was playable imo

[blazing pumice]

in all fairness, up until wod oce played on usw

so yes, it is playable

[tawdry halo]

It was such a game changer when they opened oce servers

And had them local

Holy

[hexed frost]

I live in Asia and get 200 ms on oce servers.

Eu servers are like 110 ms

Is europe nearer to Asia or Australia?

[blazing pumice]

it depends on your routing

[hexed frost]

Don't remember highschool geo

[blazing pumice]

the lines aren't straight

[tawdry halo]

Australia is really really far away

[hexed frost]

I use exitlag vpn though

[blazing pumice]

there's a reason that south america has a shit time on oce

cuz they get routed through usa

[idle inlet]

oh this is gonna be fun

maybe i wont get charged by the 2nd boss

[hexed frost]

2 years back I was offered a really good perm position in Antartica on Murdock station, when I was still unmarried

Didn't take because of WoW. Oce servers would've sucked honestly

[idle inlet]

how many guilded crests do you get if you deplete a key?

a 7

[hexed frost]

5 I think?

[tawdry halo]

I think we at least got to have our internet routed by undersea cables - assume Antarctica is satellite only no?

[hexed frost]

Yeah satellite

More lag kek

[tawdry halo]

[hexed frost]

Anyone tried starlink for gaming?

How much lag/PL?

[blazing pumice]

little

they are low orbit

[hollow river]

i know another rogue pvper that uses/used starlink for quite a while

seemed quite fine

[blazing pumice]

30ms according to google

[hexed frost]

I guess it's sub-10 ms otherwise? If you live in US atleast

I played wow on US servers for like 1 year when I was there for work and it was 19 ms

[blazing pumice]

it depends where you are

[subtle tundra]

you are

[sudden kelp]

A couple of my guildies use it - they like it, don't seem to have any issues with it.

[hollow river]

i usually get 40ms on most servers

[sudden kelp]

I quite like the dry shiv addition to the rotation, it adds a bit of flavour and it's satisfying to see the big envenom.

[hollow river]

just depends where you are

[blazing pumice]

i was on like 10ms when i was in sydney cuz servers are there

when i was in melbourne sorry

kek

servers are there

[haughty flicker]

i can only imagine playing a game on 10 ms

must be so nice

why am i still awake

[sharp viper]

my fire
the one

[golden loom]

speaking about australia

f1 is back this weekend lets fucking go

[balmy condor]

Varas I will lick you front to back if you sass me again bud

[subtle tundra]

desire

[sharp viper]

believe when I say

[red schooner]

I want it that way

[sharp viper]

but we are

[subtle tundra]

lets fucking go(7 am or something race i will fucking kill myself)

[warm vortex]

Yo anyone here got god advice for buying or making a pc
Might need a new one soon as current ones getting old

[subtle tundra]

even worse

someone kill me

[sharp viper]

just watch the vod a bit later

[golden loom]

im gonna go out drinking on saturday and still have alarm at 6 am

might just not go to sleep before race tbh

[subtle tundra]

thank god the club plan was canceled

[golden loom]

have some friends that moved to sweden coming home over the weekend

so kinda cant avoid going out

[warm vortex]

Also didn’t have thermal paste on for like 3 or 4 years so

That prollly cut it’s life

[sharp viper]

[balmy condor]

Pcpartpicker + a follow along video guide tbh

[lofty junco]

maulspike in a t11 delve was a god damn nightmare....

at least with 646 ilvl

[warm vortex]

Will do thanks whispy

[golden loom]

how didnt the pc just melt after 10 min

[warm vortex]

But yea I thought it was normal my liquid cooling cpu was at 90 Celsius or so most days

Genuinely no fucking clue

[supple spindle]

guys, can i post a log for someone to look at it? i'm just not sure if i am bad or my gear is bad :/

[warm vortex]

@spice spire

He loves log review

Trust me

[supple spindle]

sus

[golden loom]

send it

[warm vortex]

But yea I just don’t want my pc dying mid raid day

Or something

[supple spindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AkGbFmaTxK4zLyYW?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=11

[golden loom]

Gearwise you are missing some enchants and such but going into the rotation, you want to envenom before going into deathmark sequence so you have the buff running

you also didnt use vanish once, but you are talented into master assassin, so you are wasting a talent and griefing your damage quite a bit

[supple spindle]

so it should be ambush garrote fok + envenom and then cd's?

does it matter what cp's are spent on envenom in this case?

[red schooner]

Nah, get bleeds up

[golden loom]

ambush -> garrote -> fok (unless you crit ambush so you are already on 5 cp) -> rupture -> build to 5+ -> envenom -> cds

[supple spindle]

oh k

[warm vortex]

Inst there an opener on wowhead

[golden loom]

you always want to make sure you are spending on 5+

[summer cape]

Guys i got a stats related question, there's a softcap for like crit? i feel like having way too much rn, i get to 40% with pacemaker procs with around 50% mastery

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[supple spindle]

ye, that part i got

[red schooner]

Not really any softcap, just sim it

[supple spindle]

and if bleeds run out during cd's do i reapply them? or do i envenom still?

[summer cape]

Ty to both of you!

[golden loom]

you never want your bleeds to drop

[red schooner]

Ye always reapply bleed in pandemic window

Need the energy

[warm vortex]

Anyway idk if I can even afford a new pc since my parents need me to lend money quite a bit

[golden loom]

but if you jank up the rotation to a point where rupture is about to fall off but you have darkest night up

then you let it drop for a few seconds

[supple spindle]

oh damn i noticed that's often the case for me

[golden loom]

darkest night takes priority in that case, but just try to avoid that happening

like usually it lines up so that you have 1 stack on mark remaining, and rupture is entering pandemic

[warm vortex]

Yea

[golden loom]

so you can rupture to consume the mark and line up a darkest night as next finisher

[warm vortex]

If you see Rup in pandemic and mark is still on them just rupture

Or would you even do it if rupture is at like 9 seconds

Like you see it so you build then add another

[golden loom]

even if its at like 12 seconds and I am lowish on energy I just send rupture

[warm vortex]

Yea

Rupture falling off while you have DN is a mistake lotsa people do

I did it for a bit and I’m p sure I still sometimes let it happen because I was stupid

[golden loom]

the spec is all about getting the feel for it, its very simple once it clicks

[supple spindle]

big thanks

[golden loom]

you are also wasting a lot of combo points @supple spindle

[summer cape]

Is Caustic Spatter fix live?

[supple spindle]

is there any way to fight this urge to cast every finisher at 7 cp?

lmao i try hitting only envenom at 5

[red schooner]

Ye, you get to cast more finishers overall

More envenoms = more good

[royal lantern]

understanding that you waste a TON of energy for no real gain?

CP dmg gain is static

[supple spindle]

oh, so the 7 cp mostly just not to waste the additional cp's from procs?

and overall everything is hit on 5

ye?

[royal lantern]

5+ is the rule since always

[supple spindle]

is there any scenario where you hit finisher under 5 cp?

[royal lantern]

only exception is the deathstalker capstone, cus it literally needs max cp

[royal lantern]

no

[peak bobcat]

Boss is at .01% health

And you send a 4cp env

For the culture

[subtle tundra]

you dont play 7 max cp

[kind steppe]

if you just shiv'd and supercharged up, but behind the scene it'll count as 5+

[subtle tundra]

you still build to 5+

so no, you dont

[supple spindle]

adhd hating spec

[royal lantern]

i also love spreading Missinformation:3

cus you ignore that supercharger exists and follow normal finisher rules

[supple spindle]

well thanks for the info, to sum up it's vanish + cp overflow and envenom before cd's

[kind steppe]

if more envom = more dmg. why building to 5+ is more efficient in that supercharged case ?

[subtle tundra]

cause the math works out to it being better

to just build

[kind steppe]

ait mb then tried to find a special case haha

[royal lantern]

so you take a talent that makes your next 2 finishers stronger after you used a ability that boosts envenom

and then do those envenoms at 3-4 cp, which is a basic 4-6cp envenom then?

instead of 5+, which means they can go from 7-9cp?

[kind steppe]

yy, but since I read this, plus it may get you to capstone quicker, but if the math says no then I guess its no

[royal lantern]

supercharger is the ultimate "forget it exists" talent

just play like always, and it makes your envenoms during shiv slightly stronger

[supple spindle]

i love how envenom + shiv gives big yellow digits

and when the bomb procs i kinda soil my underwear

[red schooner]

I am not a reliable source of info, though I was mostly just using it to argue against always finishing at 7 CPs

[subtle tundra]

i havent noticed a poison bomb in like a year or two

[supple spindle]

i mean, how don't you notice this big green poopy poo spatter everywhere?

[subtle tundra]

i dont notice cause theres 20 million billion effects on my screen all the time

a tiny vomit puddle

[royal lantern]

doing m+ with a firemage is a EXPERIENCE

[peak bobcat]

Doing heroic raid with 2 unholy dks

Can’t see anything within 15 yards of the boss

[sharp viper]

Spell density setting is your friend, guys

[peak bobcat]

mine is on essential and its still bad

[subtle tundra]

never seen this setting before

idk\

[royal lantern]

that often doesnt really change much lol

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

according to blizz its REALLY essential that i see 30flamestrikes a second

[sharp viper]

oh it does, mine somehow went from essential to everything and I got aids from all the frost dk, unholy dk and frostmage effects around me

couldn't see the blue lines on one armed bandit

[rotund oak]

its not rocket science,the less the better for weaker systems 😛

[red schooner]

I couldn't see shit on one armed bandit anyhow, that boss kills my computer

It's wild, every other boss is grand

OAB apparently has a PowerPoint mechanic

[rotund oak]

i think i had the most issues on mugzee

idk why

[red schooner]

Not done mugzes heroic yet

So that may also be crap. Normal is fine.

I'll see tonight assuming we don't get hard stuck on OAB tonight

[lost wharf]

What do you think FPS stands for? 😄

[rotund oak]

and gallywix on burn phase

with the lighting terrain etc

was silly spiking

[red schooner]

OAB kept giving our MT like 400 world ms for some reason

He was good all night, whenever he pulled that boss, ping went to shit

So there's some black magic fuckery going on

[rotund oak]

yup

im buying myself a new pc anyway,wont raid on this junk anymore,big stonks before summer

around there

[red schooner]

It was the kick in the arse I needed to do a CPU upgrade

5700x3d ordered

[rotund oak]

im gonna push some money soon,idc about a specific model or anything

i want an engine with high performance

[red schooner]

Id have gone for better but I'd then need to do a mobo upgrade, and ye, too much effort

AM4 socket it is for now

[golden loom]

on lockenstock yesterday I felt like I was a global behind the entire fight

[subtle tundra]

dickandballs

new boss name

[versed mica]

This trinket bugged? Details has 0 uptime for it on my most recent key

[rotund oak]

u can test it tbh

trinket gives a buff

[sharp viper]

check logs, I wouldn't trust details buff uptime too much

[rotund oak]

also true

[pearl laurel]

Is it viable to play 2x shiv in m+?

[fallen orbit]

Same but from paladins 😂😂😂😂

[golden loom]

if you play bleedbuild then yes u play double shiv

[pearl laurel]

Alright don’t think I’m playing bleedbuild tbh

[red schooner]

Consider the sudden demises though

[pearl laurel]

Does every build not play SD?

[dusk onyx]

Here something to laugh for you

[rotund oak]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[dusk onyx]

I progged first week with int dagger

[subtle tundra]

thanks for dragging the statistics down

closer to a buff

[dusk onyx]

😂

[rotund oak]

its stabber,the craft is called everforge stabber

remember it next time plz

what a legend

[dusk onyx]

Lf strength dagger for next spark

[red schooner]

But more SD

[pearl laurel]

Seems like no one playing bleedbuilds in m+

[subtle tundra]

you dont need bleed build to play sd

bleed buildd is defined by the left side

the right side is taken by everything

[rough lodge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/McKfZvNaGyJjHTbm?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=4

Can anybody give me any advice for cleaning up Sprocketmonger? I didn't feel like I did terrible but I was a lot further down than my other bosses

[subtle tundra]

vanish is too early

you seem to be losing a lot of globals cause of uptime

your vanishing sucks

and yeah its mostly uptime

quite a lot of empty spaces in your cast timeline

this game me actual cancer

need chemotherapy

another masterclass of a vanish

wheres your uptime lil guy 😭

[red schooner]

Oof

[grim jay]

Unbind what

[subtle tundra]

UNBIND IT

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

wrong screenshot

[grim jay]

Varas does the most rogue-ish reviews

[subtle tundra]

wish i got a log review on monk..

[blazing pumice]

poisoned knife got high value on last boss of dawnbreaker

[sharp viper]

fist harder

[subtle tundra]

well i do know what im doing wrong on monk when i do shit wrong

[rough lodge]

Lmao that was just getting stuck on the wrong side of purple beam and they left his ass in it, so I wasn't going to ss - I don't use pk normally, was just standing there

[subtle tundra]

you can shadowstep a friend

and its better to not cast pk

[red schooner]

What if I don't trust my raid members and none of them are friends

[subtle tundra]

than to do

[sharp viper]

I'm honestly happy for you and all the other 12 ww players that the spec is good right now in ST

[subtle tundra]

lol its gonna get nerfed, cant have shit in wow

[sharp viper]

yeah probably

same as prot war

those fuckers are pumping in m+

[blazing pumice]

nerf sub

[subtle tundra]

and assa will get nothing

[blazing pumice]

so i don't have to reroll

[subtle tundra]

suck my dick!

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[subtle tundra]

i just dont understand why assa is so high in hc

i guess... idk

[royal lantern]

ok

[subtle tundra]

so stix is full range comp, one armed bandit is full range comp

sprocket is kinda half and half?

i wonder how cuckzee will be...

[golden loom]

wonder if u will be able to spatter cleave on mythic mugzee aswell

[red schooner]

So heroic mugzee is it better to just not go in a wall and spatter cleave the adds from the outside?

[golden loom]

yeah it lets you spatter both prison adds and do boss dam

[red schooner]

Sweet now I just need to sell this to the raid leader

[golden loom]

I sent this to mine

[red schooner]

I have pitched the idea

Now waiting to be told to fuck off

I think he thinks funneling is a code word for 'i don't want to do mechanics'

[golden loom]

I mean you are a dps class

and thats how you do most dps

idk

[red schooner]

Ye I'm gonna sell him on it

[subtle tundra]

tell him how bad it is to not hit the target with mark on it

[golden loom]

like ur not doing much damage on the add either way cause you probably dont have darkest night going into jail

[red schooner]

This is my plan

I sent him this

And I am now pitching the mugzee thing

I've had no response yet so he's either busy or not willing to deal with my shit today

TBF he owes me this, I was on one of the web pairs on mythic court

[golden loom]

I mean you can also ignore instructions and stay out

not like anyone will complain when adds die and you top dam

[red schooner]

I mean ye, true.

[golden loom]

and if you get flamed just call out someone lower than you on details

and if that doenst work, just get the guild to disband

[red schooner]

But I like to at least be able to justify why I'm doing what I'm doing

And it's not just me being lazy and not doing mechanics

[golden loom]

you can do a bit of a extended opener on it

[red schooner]

Deathmark kingsbane during adds would be huge

Big damage

[golden loom]

cause if you just do standard opener the adds spawns after your cds kinda

yeah I did 2 envenoms before dm

[red schooner]

I learnt that pull 1 normal, got told to get into a circle mid cd window

[golden loom]

but lingering during ads isnt bad either so I am not 100% sure what the perfect sequence is

I guess it depends on when you are lusting later on, like for us we lusted my dm was like 6 seconds away

[red schooner]

Not sure, not tried it on HC yet so I'd need to get a better feel for the flow of the fight

Normal we just kinda went in and zerged it

[golden loom]

ye

[red schooner]

HC we have to kind of pay attention

[spring socket]

when do we wanna look at switching from 2/2 to 4 set mythic track. i got 4 set heroic and sims are marginal

NVM Read the pins

[red schooner]

662-665

[red schooner]

[spring socket]

my bad

[red schooner]

It happens to the best of us

[spring socket]

bleed build still the way to go vs hybrid in keys ?

?

[primal burrow]

Any sane raid lead would kick you out if you stand with 2PC with higher ilvl (so more stats / survival) for marginal diff btw. At least I'm afraid a few know how to play with rogues already so that makes us very diva...

[subtle tundra]

any sane raid lead WOULDNT do that

wtf

[primal burrow]

Yeah probably in that sense . But I find a lot of people disagreeing with those kind of things

[subtle tundra]

the common consensus is that you play for dps

sure if youre gonna prob a hard mythic boss with tight healing, sure, but thats an edgecase

(fatebound reference)

[royal lantern]

cringe

[red schooner]

Mugzee and funnel cleared by raid leader

Life is good