assassination

[peak lake]

meh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343346751427317812/1349282499733229598/image.png?ex=67d288c0&is=67d13740&hm=d7e8554f77833e42b9f959de56c39c7f1be066c6cb50f3a87baa4bf5e38ecffc&

already have shoulder hm 😦

[nova aspen]

catalyst the glove?

[peak lake]

there is no other choice i guess

[nova aspen]

better than my vault

all 3 myth slots were unusable

[west crown]

The ones where you want Damage Reduction for you group

[mental thistle]

there is a sim for the assa trinkets ?

[exotic salmon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHZ3qGgUXASBa2aBf3QycC

This gotta be bait right? I take seaforlum for sure right?

[onyx rain]

anyone else seeing a top gear sim say go from new 4pc back to 2pc/2pc? seems so weird

[nova aspen]

envenom stonks

[static glacier]

I just had a dream I described playing a pack and spreading dots but for some reason this involved kill command and then it got pinned here to make fun of me, what’s my mind trying to tell me

[nova aspen]

idk what the bait is, my work router blocks raid bots

kek

[exotic salmon]

it says to take the delve trinket

which is D tier according to the assass guide

[nova aspen]

it did get a massive buff yesterday but idk what it even does

[exotic salmon]

i tried it on druid tank and its kinda feels mediocre

[nova aspen]

yea that doesnt seem good

weird

[exotic salmon]

im just gonna wait it out xd

[nova aspen]

sim it in patchwerk with st build

[exotic salmon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbGMxXrToPQpyiaWCTGMtA

ok this seems good

[nova aspen]

that makes more sense

[exotic salmon]

yea i lose alot actually on st

sweet

[static glacier]

Tbh I think d slice might be inflating that trinket

[nova aspen]

even if relic is better in aoe, sin does not need more aoe xd

it needs st help

[static glacier]

Since it drops combat

[nova aspen]

oo yea that could be it

resetting combat is more uptime

[exotic salmon]

oh

[static glacier]

Check if it’s uptime is over 50% by a lot

[exotic salmon]

I have no idea how but i think theres usually an option for specific trinkets. I dont see it atm

[static glacier]

dslice has combat drops already as part of the encounter

[viscid spear]

Am I not hitting DM soon after opening?
Something like Ambush, Garrote, Mut, Rupt, DM?

[rough oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[vapid terrace]

Ambush, garotte, rupture, muti to 5+ env, then DM cds.

[static glacier]

keys or raid?

[vapid terrace]

You want the envenom buff rolling along with snd

[royal lantern]

@quiet oar lmao thats cursed as hell

[viscid spear]

I meant to reply to Quake, but raid

[quiet oar]

We are not Vault Brothers anymore

[static glacier]

the opener you described isn't full

you normally build to an envenom then send dm shiv kb

after applying gar and rup

[viscid spear]

It was in response to when I use Signet so as not to get Crit instead of Mastery

[royal lantern]

first vault of the expansion, and i get a 0,2% upgrade

[static glacier]

MA doesn't count

for priory

[royal lantern]

[static glacier]

ur fault for getting too geared

[royal lantern]

MA is crit%, not crit as a stat

[royal lantern]

no, its just fucking 4 rings and 2 ussules trinkets

[haughty flicker]

8 10s week 1 just to get 2 shitty rings and the worst trinket in the game

[spice spire]

At least perpetual conflict is good

[haughty flicker]

proof hard work doesnt pay off

[spice spire]

Iirc

[viscid spear]

Then I'm missing something because my Mastery is higher tthan my Crit but when I use Signet it always gives me Crit

[spice spire]

Idk top has 509 rings

[haughty flicker]

its insane yeah

[royal lantern]

not with my crit

[rough lodge]

...there's no way to get a spark back after crafting, is there? I was distracted sending a crafting order and had a stilleto made instead of normal dagger.. how bad off am i?

[golden loom]

[haughty flicker]

ive been farming top for fleshfused ring and got every ring except that one

[static glacier]

strange, share your gearset

[weary spear]

Try un-equipping the trink and re-equipping it. I’ve seen certain items snapshot what your stats are at time of being equipped

[royal lantern]

perpetual conflict.jpg

[haughty flicker]

theres always next season

[viscid spear]

I'm at work.

[red schooner]

I'm sorry my dude

[royal lantern]

im waaaaaay to high statted in crit allready

[viscid spear]

I'll try this when I get home

[spice spire]

Oh that’s right you’re insanely cursed

Stats don’t matter 99% of the time

Mf is the 1%

[rough lodge]

[royal lantern]

its a shity call now lol

take perpetal conflict in case stats get better down the line

or take the vers/mastery ring cus its good rn

[red schooner]

Just wait until they gigabuff stilleto

[jagged dagger]

Would you take the ring boys or the shoulder who can go up to 665 Ilvl?

[spice spire]

[dawn heath]

farming all the chinese players

[viscid spear]

I got a Warbound Eye off Gallywix last night, Veteran track. He also dropped one, Champion track. I lost it.
Also the mount dropped.

[static glacier]

thats normal

[rough lodge]

tbf i'll probably just craft the normal dagger next week and delay my kickers another two weeks

[royal lantern]

tbh

will take the vers/mastery ring

cus like, its rings, if i need to adjust stats later, i just do it with a crafted ring

[clever sapphire]

pins, but ye unless your 4pc is really high ilvl its probably gonna tell you to go 2p2p

[spice spire]

I’d still go normal jastor

[grim jay]

Could just sim

Shouldnt be too bad iirc

[static glacier]

I've no idea how good normal jastor is, does it beat max hc ilvl stuff?

[spice spire]

Idk but very rare loot at 658 versus shoulders that go to 665

Seems like an easy take

(Because you can upgrade to 658)

[quiet oar]

Quake

[jagged dagger]

Yeah you’re right ty bro

[spice spire]

I’m going to kiss you on the lips

[quiet oar]

Starting the Season like Season 1

[spice spire]

Ik

I got a good belt

I shan’t complain

[hardy rapids]

Average assa channel threat

[spice spire]

I’m not replacing for the tier likely

[quiet oar]

Thats nice

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-tyler-the-creator-ok-gif-14390523

[quiet oar]

As long as its items you dotn replace

[spice spire]

I’ll kiss you too pal

[spice spire]

Yeah warrior got stuck with a banger (dogshit) trinket so we’re ws only this week

[hardy rapids]

I wasn’t making fun of you

[spice spire]

I know

I’m still going to kiss you on the fucking lips

[hardy rapids]

Now I’m going to kiss you

[spice spire]

[hardy rapids]

[static glacier]

I was wondering if it beat rings specifically, sounds like it probably does

[spice spire]

Unsure actually.
I would think so given cantrip value but I also think that like distribution matters too.
I think it’s likely going to beat heroic but not mythic. But idk

[viscid spear]

[onyx rain]

yaaa i saw it just after i posted. feels bad

[quiet oar]

Why is it Big red Button

[silver escarp]

Does someone has an idea? No matter what i select/unselect, it stays like that. And for multiple pieces too

[spice spire]

Worse

The trash trinket from delves

[silver escarp]

Nvm, found the problem. Raidbot doesn't want me to put "2p2p"

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=235984/garbagemancers-last-resort?bonus=657:12042:5865:11990

[fallen fable]

!wa

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[old lily]

quick vault question if that's ok.
i have a champion track chest tier piece, would it be best to use that + legs and try to catalyst a better hero track than head (since that leaves me with 2 hero track tier) or just go for the head with socket and champ track tier chest,

[manic sphinx]

In logs - is there a way to add more than one skill? I want to compare with another rogue in my group

[fallen fable]

çan someone explain why is FoK used in ST. Trying to understand the rotation.

What does it procs

[spice spire]

Clear the witnesses

[manic sphinx]

Clear the Witness talent

[spice spire]

When you give something deathstalker marks (ie your initial ambush and when you consume dn) you fok for a little more dam

[fallen fable]

Ahh i see. Thanks for info

[spice spire]

[golden loom]

Nerf mage!

[tawdry root]

Did you sim the vault loot? House of cards is bis so it actually may be best to get the trink and catalyst the 2piece with a hero, even if trink is champ track

[dawn heath]

he is insanely good and got 10 ilvls on me

[old lily]

yea trinket is champ track

[golden loom]

Nerf oskar then 🔥

[dawn heath]

u can see my ilvl

[old lily]

but idk if it's spymaster's web good or just good

[dawn heath]

is kinda cursed

[manic sphinx]

Is that bleedbuild or standard?

[dawn heath]

this is what i play

[tawdry root]

Yeah that’s why I would try simming it compared to having the 2 piece tier sets

[old lily]

no ironwire

[dawn heath]

ofcourse not

damage>utility

[golden loom]

You like 1 point in lethality over double vanish?

[tawdry root]

For me it the champ track house of cards was like 2.5% more dps than hero track priory

[old lily]

and just catalyst another hero track i get then from M+ or smthin

[dawn heath]

i take double vanish in meadery

i also play night elf

for restealths

[golden loom]

Gamer gaming

[tawdry root]

Maybe yeah, idk what trinkets you have rn so it depends on what you sim

[golden loom]

Sure you arent on wrong sim setting?

[dawn heath]

my gear iscursed tho

very bad

[golden loom]

Make sure you are on nightly/latest when simming priory

[old lily]

639 skardyn and dead-eye spyglass

[tawdry root]

Mmm I am not very smart so it is possible

[dawn heath]

normally id be really happy to get myth track weapon from vault

but after u crafted a weapon

[tawdry root]

Did priory get buffed or smth?

[dawn heath]

it feels kinda rough

[golden loom]

For me equal ilvl priory and house was like a 0.4% difference

[dawn heath]

full sending your crests is kinda yikes

for a second dagger

[golden loom]

It was bugged-ish in sim

[tawdry root]

Ah i didn’t know that, I’ll run it again tonight thx. @old lily take my advice with huge grain of salt then lol

[old lily]

[thorny harness]

if i use delver bounty in one of the old Delves will i still get gear from the new delves ?

[golden loom]

Yeah delves are just delves

The new ones are just additions to the pool

[oak sparrow]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[tawdry root]

Hm yeah I just simmed again and champ house of cards up 2% over hero signet, maybe my mastery is just kinda low

[peak bobcat]

if mastery isnt your highest stat signet sims bad

doubles down with the windsinger gem in your ring

[golden loom]

Is it maybe giving you crit then?

[peak bobcat]

mine was

it wanted me to put on haste mas gear 20 ilevels lower to fix it

[golden loom]

My stats are all completely mixed and I still have way more mastery than crit idk

[peak bobcat]

i got mugzee neck and now its not close

[tawdry root]

Yeah that’s it then

[royal lantern]

i have like 7k crit more then everything else

#

shit happens

espacially early on where you just equip all items

[golden loom]

I guess yeah

[strange tundra]

why subterfuge but no withoput a trace

[grave osprey]

My dungeon overall went up significantly after getting that 4pc holy moly. I didnt think it was that good

[dawn heath]

dont think its a good point u don't gain alot of vanish casts by having this talent

only if u sit on your vanishes

[strange tundra]

its so good when u have bad tanks

[dawn heath]

yeah u can take it if tanks are chaining

which is good

[strange tundra]

u can re-dot so easily all the extra big packs pulled

[dawn heath]

i think its fine to take it but if u get restealths off anyway its abit wasted

[old lily]

can't find this one on bloodmallet, anyone know if it's any good or just hot garbage

[dawn heath]

i play night elf so i get free vanishes

[strange tundra]

i think its more worth than lethaliuty

oh ok

[dawn heath]

i also take double vanish in meadery

cause things keep you in combat

its crazy though what difference a good tank makes for your overall

i've done 2.4 all the way to 4.2mil overall in priory

just different tanks and groups

[strange tundra]

yea lol

[peak bobcat]

off hand still one of the best pieces besides trinket

[dawn heath]

u sure about this?

i think offhand was the lowest dps per upgrade from last season iirc

[golden loom]

Offhand is just a low statstick

[dawn heath]

ye

well

i thought

since i get +4 atleast

on the weapon

on the MH

but its alot of crests invested

[peak bobcat]

every piece of gear besides trinket and main hand weapon is a low stat stick?

[dawn heath]

probably wasnt worth it

[dawn heath]

no

they have way more stats

its not compareable

[golden loom]

Other pieces give more stats

[dawn heath]

weapons barely have any stats

and the OH dps

is almost irrelevant

[golden loom]

Weapon is just low secondary stats

[dawn heath]

i just didnt want toi be sitting on a myth trakc 662 weapon for all season

and not upgrade it

[golden loom]

Compared to big agility pieces

[dawn heath]

so i just sent it

its a alt anyway

[golden loom]

Yeah at the end of the day you end up with more resources than you need

[fallen orbit]

You guys using 2/2 tier sets ? I have 2 of new tier set but not sure iff use it or no

[royal lantern]

not really, chest/legs/shoulders/head are BIGGER stat sticks

[spice spire]

Pins

[fallen orbit]

Ty

[wispy swan]

Quick Q - Been looking through guides and was wondering which one was better.. Assassination spec. Wowhead/Methods guides both have the same BiS gear list, as well as suggesting Agi > Crit > Mastery > Haste > Vers as the stat prio... However, Maxrolls guide from Echo has different BiS gear and suggests the Stat prio should instead be Agi > Mast > Crit > Haste > Vers....

Which of them is the more correct? I've been going the Crit way but not sure if Mast would be better?

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[wispy swan]

Ty for that..So basically, try both and see what sims better 😄

[golden loom]

There are also no bad stats for sin

It just likes everything

[wispy swan]

So I could stack Int? :p

Ok cool, ty then 😄

[nova aspen]

yes, craft that int dagger, prob still out dps most pugs

[red schooner]

vault fucked me lads

rip

[peak bobcat]

mechanocore still good

[red schooner]

yeah, sims as a 0.8% dps boost, same as the cloak

Everything else is down as a dps loss

[peak bobcat]

at max upgrade or at 649

[red schooner]

oh yeah shit

i should check that

[rough lodge]

Is it better to FoK at 6 cp to always send a full 7 point envenom, even on ST?

[peak bobcat]

with darkest night proc yes

[red schooner]

sending the upgraded mechanocore sim through now

if its decent its worth sending the crests

[peak bobcat]

its gonna be good

[red schooner]

we pray

[subtle tundra]

1aaaaaaaaaaaaaappppppppppaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

HUGE ST

[spice spire]

What boss is gapping you this hard

Wtf

[red schooner]

i hope so i still don't have tier set

[peak bobcat]

new tier set is mid asf

[uneven plume]

wtf is this shit

11 cinder unholy dk godmode?

[subtle tundra]

pure st

last boss cinderbrew..

[red schooner]

ye but i'd like 2p+2p

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

[red schooner]

4p i'm waiting til high ilvl

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s a pisser

[subtle tundra]

also only 1 set of cds

outside of bl

[spice spire]

yeah that makes even more sense

[red schooner]

Okay fully upgraded mechano-core is a 2% dps increase

[spice spire]

With 2.2 and 2m

[turbid thistle]

So what to craft first?

[spice spire]

Also fuck ipa

[spice spire]

Weapon

[red schooner]

mh dagger

[subtle tundra]

bruh i had such a miserable time

i had no restealths

[turbid thistle]

thanks, thought so 🙂

[subtle tundra]

for

one entire wing

[nova aspen]

brew is rough

in combat the whole dungeon

except after each boss kill

[dapper cradle]

that uhdk is in my guild haha

he's a fucking GAMER

title player like every season

was 100 parsing in our reclear the other day

he's like almost 3k rn

[nova aspen]

unholy is giga unhinged atm

def in mdi

[uneven plume]

did like 30mil first pull of cinder and it was a wrap. cant catch that anymore no matter what class

[nova aspen]

they also can do 20m aoe while not in melee

[uneven plume]

boss ST was trash

but aoe was hella good

[dapper cradle]

yeah that's unfort just class design rn

they giga quadra scale in mass aoe

[uneven plume]

was doing less ST than double vanish sin rogue. Which is unheard of

[dapper cradle]

but their ST is kinda doodoo caca stinky when in aoe talents

and they only really scale hard in huuuuuuge pulls

so idk how many of those kinds of pulls are in push keys anyways

either way, that dk is really good

[uneven plume]

in cinder like almost every single one

you can do that dungeon in like 8-12 pulls

[spice spire]

Yeah cinder you’re pulling whole wings

Should have pulled onto boss Smdh

[uneven plume]

we were thinking of pulling pack onto bee boss

but didnt know if everyone knew how to destroy barrels

[stoic totem]

I am starting to get in to 8s and 9s and hoping for highers soon for m+, when did you guys typically switch from the lower bleed build into the hybrid builds for s2?

[uneven plume]

what is a bleed build

is that something new whysper overcooked?

[spice spire]

It is not

New at all

It’s literally the heroic build from week one with no kb and all bleed talents

[uneven plume]

how bad is the ST in that build

like healer dps bad?

[humble verge]

i have almost 0 upgrades for vault

as assa, but if i swap to sub and use cata to get 4p i just get a solid 100k dps increase on ST

[nova aspen]

whenever u catch urself pondering over sub

just think big momma in floodgate

that boss was designed for sin

[spice spire]

I’m always thinking of big momma

Also what does m.o.m.m.a. Stand for?

I sent it in a bug report and never got feedback :/

[rough lodge]

the best i've ever done, reading y'alls suggestions and discussions has been amazing help 💜 appreciate all of you

[prisma lynx]

What builds did you use for those.

[uneven summit]

double use trinket seems the only way in vault, signet + house of cards, bad?

[spice spire]

Gonna guess the standard build

[rough lodge]

just the standard ST build with spatter

[spice spire]

Not bad just unfortunate.
You really want the on use to be during CDs and double stat on use doesn’t let you

[uneven summit]

Yeah 100%

[neat flame]

what key level?

[dawn heath]

10

[neat flame]

id like to run that talent build for the ST perf but the hybrid bleed build just pumps so hard on trash at the key levels I'm doing

[hexed frost]

Did my first key as a sub, 20M on first pull of meadery, and ~2M on first boss.

It's so fucking over for bleedbros

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova aspen]

dont say that

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cliff-sad-saaadge-gif-18209034

[nova aspen]

i have a 2min trinket

my only reason for not trying out sub more

[gray raven]

what curios are you all using this season

[rigid sphinx]

how is a chest siming higher than a mythic dagger ? Stats sucks ?

[weary spear]

Don’t be shy post the overall

[haughty flicker]

sub is really good when you pull around its cds, can definitely do more burst aoe than sin

but in pugs where that doesnt happen sin does more consistant aoe every pull

boss damage is way higher though

[hexed frost]

3.7M on a +10

[balmy condor]

3 ilvl ain’t much

[hexed frost]

Doing 500K damage on pulls when no CDs or big pull/boss next

[haughty flicker]

yeah sitting there under tank hoping you beat healer lmao

worth it though to burst on next pack

but i just dont like how it feels

[hexed frost]

Yeah sub is a different playstyle

[dawn heath]

is the hybrid build doing even worse ST is tthat even possible

we're already doing tank damage

[rigid sphinx]

offhand is that worthless

[desert vault]

I can't get past the "feel" on sub in keys either, love it in raid, but man on keys just kills me sitting around. I enjoy being able to swap and play both, keeps things interesting. Plus I only pug keys, so sin is just a bit more "safe" it feels like when I have no idea what the tank is going to do next

[balmy condor]

Yes

Offhand is the worst slot we have

[dawn heath]

be me

678 and 675 weapon

rip gilded

[nova aspen]

hows whisp today

[haughty flicker]

only gildeds ive sent are on my trinket

being greed af with those

oh the craft too

[balmy condor]

Tired

[hexed frost]

Just use the trinket with blades/flag

[haughty flicker]

awake enough for more priories though right

[shy axle]

when you play the dino/gorilla boss and they charge into the middle, can i attack the other boss i did not dmg yet and will dmg after the phase with my cds or do i need to hit the "old" one?

[spice spire]

GM bestie

[haughty flicker]

also is amorphous simming strangely well in dungeon slice for anyone else

like better than 678 priory trinket

i might have to item restore mine and try it lmao

[balmy condor]

Don’t need

[balmy condor]

Got buffed by 136% overall yeah

[haughty flicker]

i thought you were trying for the trinket last night

[balmy condor]

I was

[haughty flicker]

oh huge

[nova aspen]

is it a bait tho, if dslice has a lot of combat resets?

[haughty flicker]

just play nelf

ez

[balmy condor]

I don’t even know if it’s simming correctly

[nova aspen]

i wonder what uptime it has in the sim

[haughty flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xnAC6jLoqkUZ6ZRdWfmfaE

mini and massive both have 57% uptime

no idea how realistic that is

might try it myself

gotta scroll through item restoration and find it though lmao

[nova aspen]

hmmm

interesting

too bad delve trinkets cant go mythic track

[grand trail]

who need on use

[haughty flicker]

it put it 2/6 mythic instead of 6/6 heroic but 665 is achievable on it

[golden loom]

Anyone else like this affix? think it goes kinda hard

[haughty flicker]

at least i can actually interact with it

[gray raven]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=232891/amorphous-relic so this is good now?

[haughty flicker]

oh i item restored an adventurer track one instead of a champ track

welp try again tomorrow ig

[tawny geyser]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hexed frost]

Is this the amorphous relic trinket?

I was wondering how it was simming so good in keys

[forest garden]

Just so I know for later, which one scales better. Sub or Ass?

[hexed frost]

Atleast for sub

[marble hemlock]

they said the S word

[haughty flicker]

sin

[spice spire]

Yeah seli is my s word

[marble hemlock]

you can choke on my s word

[balmy condor]

How many ilvl are we talking about here

[forest garden]

Full heroic gear we'll say

[humble verge]

changing my gear to sub makes me sim 1,95, while i sim 1,85 as assa

[balmy condor]

What

No like scaling over how many ilvl

Like over 100?

[strange tundra]

any help please on what is should choose? i also have a hero track helmet in the bag and a catalyst

[slow tulip]

why are the dungeon necks simming soo low :// my 639 sims higher than a 655 dungeon one 😄

[balmy condor]

Take whatever sims highest there’s nothing notable in your vault

[hexed frost]

Sim it

[balmy condor]

Different stats

[hexed frost]

Trinket always good I guess

[strange tundra]

is there any fast way to sim it all @balmy condor@hexed frost

[haughty flicker]

you just run top gear

[hexed frost]

Raidbot subscription and copy paste simc string in top gear

[strange tundra]

top gear sees my vault items/

[runic hinge]

yes!

[haughty flicker]

if you type it while in vault yes

[balmy condor]

You open vault, /simc with it open

[strange tundra]

damn didnt know

[balmy condor]

Top gear has a select vault options button

[kindred cradle]

Guys , am I understanding correctly that if my 4 set is not 662-665 it is more worth to run 2 set and 2 set from last season ?

[neat flame]

depends on what gear you were replacing, you can sim that pretty easily. for example I wasn't full upgraded myth track so running the season 2 4 set at 4/6 hero track beats out the 2 piece from season 1

[kindred cradle]

Im currently running 658 shoulders 652 chest 652 goves and 655 pants all tier . And can replace hands with last season myth set and head with last season myth track since I don't have upgrades on those slots yet. Realistically the sim diff is let me sim real quick

[kindred cradle]

With full 4 set hero from this season which I posted above I sim 1.894 with the replacements I mentioned I sim 1.868M

[dawn pollen]

only me who sims alot higher today then they did a couple of days ago ? without doing anything

[balmy condor]

Sounds like it’s better then

[vestal cliff]

AVOIDANCE CLUB

gz whispy

[balmy condor]

Can you link a before/after

[dawn pollen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Ti8ig6aesPnZ95gJe2AQ4 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p5VrbtqDpY6JqsvD6bKpbH ive gotten a little bit different piece but i just think its insane how much it changed @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

The lower one has caustic

The higher one has internal bleeding

[neat flame]

dumb question as I've raided only 2 seasons in the past 10 years: what differentiates raid council vs cleave vs aoe

[balmy condor]

SEO

[neat flame]

[haughty flicker]

ok deathstalker mark is definitely buggy

ive noticed it for a while now

it'll randomly proc when i dont even envenom for dn

[subtle tundra]

eeeholy moly a whole 46k dps talent?

[runic hinge]

huge

[ruby birch]

Sup guys

Oh wait wrong channel

[hexed frost]

"random"

[dapper cradle]

holy

tagged me in a post from 7 days ago

[dawn heath]

which tier piece is that you skip?

[frozen glacier]

chest ideally

[onyx rain]

man i am tilted about this 4p bullshit

[nova aspen]

dont worry

surely tuning soon

[frozen glacier]

everytime i tell a guildie i cant use 4 piece until basically all mythic set pieces they laugh 😢

[nova aspen]

tell them no boolie

[hexed frost]

Someone told me assa chat were discussing ass eating and boypussies

https://tenor.com/view/goku-kid-goku-niño-hungry-drool-dragon-ball-gif-12991476233745793601

[wide ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-what-gif-3377253578893161957

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[red schooner]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[final haven]

Hello!

Hero signet which i can farm or champ kezan now with chance for hero in like 2-3 weeks?

[winged widget]

considering the amount of good passive options we got, i would just take the signet and be done with it.

[final haven]

or maybe tier set?

[winged widget]

especially when Kezan isn't that great in m+ if the stacks just keep falling off.

[final haven]

cuz i can take hero tier set

[high jetty]

Since the season started, MRT isnt tracking poisons on ready check any more. I am far too fucking stupid to fix it myself

HALP

[vital haven]

use a weakaura

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Sup

[hexed frost]

Did a few keys on sub and feel like it's so over for us bleedbros

2M boss damage

[spice spire]

You’re wrong

[hexed frost]

20M on big pulls

[spice spire]

But pop off Daniel

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-tune-fine-tuning-fine-tuned-copium-walter-white-gif-4796770362564082802

[spice spire]

Yeah and what about that minute before and after CDs

[sharp viper]

you grab a drink until your cds are back up

[static glacier]

i tab out to change spotify

[hexed frost]

500K damage without dance/symbols

Wondering why I'm not showing on damage meters kek

[spice spire]

Yeah checkmate pal

I like my damage graph flat as the earth

[hexed frost]

But that's how sub profile is

[runic hinge]

I might try sub if i get hoc but im not restoring transmitter for the mental warfare

[spice spire]

I already have hoc

Refuse to go sub because I’m based

(I’m genuinely a sin OTP)

[hexed frost]

I may play assa again at 15s when mobs don't die midway through my Kingsbane or tanks won't chainpull entire dungeon

[pastel cradle]

are there any recommended talent builds for a +12 cinderbrew?

[hexed frost]

Run pure bleed I will say.

Adds will melt

[willow falcon]

ayyyy back on assa dream boiz

[frozen glacier]

take the amulet for sure

[willow falcon]

[balmy condor]

gratz on ratshit toxin

[willow falcon]

i knew that devle trinkets will come along one day

blessed tunning

[onyx crane]

is bubbling wax still feasable option?

[balmy condor]

if by feasible you mean still just as bad as it was last season, yes

[onyx crane]

so stones better?

[balmy condor]

ofc

[onyx crane]

i'll save wax for low effort content then cuz I am stingy

[spice spire]

Stones are only like 100 a piece now for 3 star.
When recommending wax it was because they were 10+x that price

[static geyser]

how much %increase from 2p + 2p to 4p

cant sim it

[balmy condor]

depends on the item level

[static geyser]

ok i see until 665 its better

[onyx crane]

135 on tarrenmill

[spice spire]

It’s not over 1k tho

[onyx crane]

true

I soled a nm BOE for 300k and I still feel I am broke

[golden loom]

holy cinema

on vexie

[spice spire]

Ahh amped

[golden loom]

Amped Arthur

[hexed frost]

That's fatter than my fattest demise bonk

[merry swift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior olive]

is it shiv or kingsbane that helps wit Tempest damage?

[golden loom]

bro I played the final 15% with mark on wrong boss

that was a omega 100 for cauldron 😦

[junior olive]

nice...does gear affect how well you parse?

[golden loom]

well gear is damage so yeah

[junior olive]

ight gearing my alt..436 no new tier or 475 weap yet and im parsing lowkey low

[tropic acorn]

how is assassination rogue feeling?

[junior olive]

was curious

[nova aspen]

guys the delver's bounty comes from the blue chests right? and not the locked chest

[haughty flicker]

yes

[placid snow]

Is sub the meta for rogues this season?

[haughty flicker]

no i only top

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[unreal elk]

what would be the quickest way to get any pair or legs/gloves for catalyst?

[spice spire]

False bestie

[jolly vault]

convert to any religion of your choice and start praying

[runic hinge]

I only top overall (don’t look at boss damage)

[distant plinth]

A key that drops both of em

[icy ridge]

Sort of, but both are really strong.

Try each out. Which ever spec you perform better with is the one you should probably choose

[humble verge]

didnt even fix my rik logs Sadge

[warm vortex]

Mine are eh so far

[last skiff]

@golden loom I won

[humble verge]

how you guys are critting 20mill i dont get

[golden loom]

[golden loom]

damage amp on boss

[humble verge]

hmmm

[last skiff]

kriss optimisation

I guess

[humble verge]

oh

on vexie i guess

[golden loom]

ye

[humble verge]

not enough 99s in our vexie

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[last skiff]

yy

[lethal arrow]

Hmm my max last week was a 22m

Will report back on vexie this week

[warm vortex]

My max last week was 9

*0

[lethal arrow]

Saw an 11 today or yesterday outside of an amp

[humble verge]

i seem to hit one armed

12,8m

[alpine pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/WRkvtvY.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1113032213018181743/1334082659541979207/togif.gif

[placid snow]

Solid advice, I usually lean more towards Assassination & Outlaw.

[distant plinth]

Damn son

[golden loom]

night going well so far

[runic hinge]

UwU

[alpine pagoda]

UwU

[pastel cradle]

yeah seems in cinderbrew only way i do decent dps if the tank pulls the whole room lol

[balmy condor]

bigger aoe bigger dps

makes sense

[shy axle]

do i have to switch boss on the dino ape fight or can i just chill on one due to mark

[lethal arrow]

U swap or u die

[runic hinge]

They do a stacking debuff

You can swap your mark when they clash

[wanton spear]

So are we gonna get slapped by blizzard because of that raid dps rankings thing or think we are safe for the time being lol

[runic hinge]

Who knows but the sample size is tiny af

Off one boss

[storm forum]

We're next in line for the 17% stealth nerf

[runic hinge]

I hope they nerf shadow heart by 17%

[grand trail]

Just looted priory trinket and already gappign as assa

very coool spec

[rotund oak]

make them bleed brother 🤘

[shy axle]

thank you

so when they charge at each other i can safely attack the second boss then?

[wanton spear]

The difference my dps became after getting 2-2 was rediculous. I also hate that transmitter still is doing better than most of my 655 trinkets, and Mines fking heroic -.-

[royal lantern]

yes

[shy axle]

thank you

[runic hinge]

You can switch your mark then by hitting the first boss until you have darkest night and then swapping it using that

[royal lantern]

dont worry, they will nerf transmitter/spyglass again

and dont touch the current trinkets that all suck

[wanton spear]

That stupid mirror house trinket or w/e it's called was such a let down. The one that gives crit or haste. It's always haste

[runic hinge]

I think they don’t want trinkets to be too impactful because it feels bad if you don’t have them but the problem is they’re worse than last tiers trinkets and some are downright awful.

Like all these direct damage trinkets on a 1.5 min cd doing less damage than one envenom is ridiculous

What’s the point

Oh cool I used my delve map on a trinket that hits for less than a million damage every 2 minutes. Poggers

[rotund oak]

ritual knife trhe only delve trinket that mattered

will be remembered

[runic hinge]

Yeah. It was so good. Beating myth trinkets

Good first vault pickup

[rotund oak]

yup

[wanton spear]

Killed bandit hero week 1 hoping when I get home Sunday I have a nice hero house of cards to replace my transmitter lol

[rotund oak]

ill use my chip for house of cards,gonna take curve now and focus on m+ and rated pvp

[balmy condor]

your what

[rotund oak]

the chip thingy

[balmy condor]

what chip thingy

[rotund oak]

the one coming on the next update

am i missing something

[balmy condor]

we don't know if that's coming or not

[rotund oak]

house of cards is too strong to miss

i might have to farm it them

[balmy condor]

just get a priory idk

[rotund oak]

thats a given fam

[wise gull]

huh, dinars are confirmed

[royal lantern]

our smart guy told me that priory and house of cards are literally equal/priory at same level is very slightly better

[rotund oak]

the numbers plz

[split veldt]

!wa

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[weary spear]

Why is sin top dps rankings in raid but not in RWF lol. Seems skewed or inaccurate somewhere

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

because mythic fights with different timers are mythic fights with different timers

[long hawk]

Mythic.

[royal lantern]

• people are better/more optimized geared

they dont have only 3 people with 2 set

[azure owl]

Anyone else seen how OMEGA bugged shadowstep is on Gallywix?

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rancid summit]

Yes, I hate it. It should not send you to the other side of the platform

[austere flame]

Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker better than eye of kazen for us?

[azure owl]

Yea I'm wasting so much uptime to run around instead of just using shadowstep

[gaunt quiver]

I believe Eye got a nerf making Pacemaker better. Sim it to make sure.

[silent pond]

is bleed build or hybrid better for high keys atm? 10+

[humble verge]

man

i got cucked on mugzee today as well

[gaunt quiver]

They're both good. Bleed does better on bosses with Adds.

[silent pond]

ok ty

[royal lantern]

......what?

[gaunt quiver]

What?

[haughty flicker]

ive done like 80 keys so far

and literally not a single pair of gloves have dropped

of any difficulty

i could have tier ffs

[acoustic finch]

Anyone got a good Heroic Stix build?

[haughty flicker]

just go caustic

[spice spire]

There’s the no vanish build for CT

[rough lodge]

After the update, tank or healer bran for 11's?

[haughty flicker]

is ct worth on that fight

in heroic

it was always healer brann anyway

for rogues

[golden loom]

you deffo play CT on heroic stix

[acoustic finch]

where do i find the CT build for it?

[golden loom]

just replace imp garr and master assassin for thrown precision and CT

[crimson abyss]

how much haste roughly are you guys running? my sims seem to be super thirsty for it

[royal lantern]

probably becase you have 0 haste in general

if a stat is low, it will be more valued

[crimson abyss]

i'm at 14% and its still valued over crit, just didn't expect it

[spice spire]

Nah let’s see this sim

[peak bobcat]

How much crit do you have

[spice spire]

[peak bobcat]

More than mastery?

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[peak bobcat]

If you have more crit than mastery your sim is going to yell at you to take off crit

[golden loom]

avoidance and leech and speed are all that matter

[spice spire]

@royal lantern

[peak bobcat]

Because of ring and priory

[royal lantern]

I CAN CONFIRM

[peak bobcat]

Envenom is the only button

MORE MASTERY

[crimson abyss]

crit was above mastery + using signet/pacemaker so that makes sense to me

[peak bobcat]

As soon as I got pacemaker the alarms were going off on the sim

Wanted me to drop 20 levels on pieces to get less crit

[royal lantern]

getting prioriy->notice that the dungeon drops put you at 17k crit and only 11k mastery

[peak bobcat]

Insane amount of crit haste gear

If only it was shadowlands assas

[royal lantern]

37% crit

50% with priory active

[zinc vale]

is it just me or sin rogue st in dungeon stinks ?

[undone flame]

i hope thay change/buff the 4p the fact it better to wait til 662 seem dumb to me

[royal lantern]

yes, assa boss dmg in dungeons is stinky

[zinc vale]

yeah

it sucks

[spice spire]

But pack damage, talk to me

[zinc vale]

yeah

[lethal arrow]

Also stinky

[zinc vale]

aoe is insane even outside the cds , tbh u dont even need cds just re stealth

[lethal arrow]

We're actually stinky in dungeons at all times

[zinc vale]

i mean its true that sin rogue is not stier but aoe is decent

[royal lantern]

well

[modest gale]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

"decent" is a funny thing

when assa aoe is absolutely bonkers

[runic hinge]

Bro I blast on trash

[royal lantern]

like, its good in m+ because its aoe dmg is so insane

[lethal arrow]

Nah I think we need buffs

[royal lantern]

yes you suck on bosses rn

but you make that up by obliterating trash packs

[lethal arrow]

Honestly CT and rupture should just never fall off

And we should have infinite energy on bosses

[spice spire]

Honestly we should need to press 0 buttons and just do 6 billion dam

Real

[zinc vale]

dude the only thing that makes me mad bout sin rogue is new 4piece that's all

that shit is crazy dogshit

[royal lantern]

yeha, the 4p is kinda bad

tbh

all tier sets are

[alpine pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/sOLAZjb.png

[zinc vale]

True but sin rogue is worst

[lethal arrow]

My 4 set says I'm pumping

[royal lantern]

that entire "lololololol we make a THEMATIC tierset shared bettwen classes" is suuch a dumb idea

[alpine pagoda]

dem who stole my haste

[lethal arrow]

But also I can never tell when it's up

[alpine pagoda]

: (

[lethal arrow]

I just wish it wasn't just a passive invisible buff I don't need to care about tracking or playing around

[undone flame]

true might not have looked at others but i havent heard any other class needs 662 (myth 1/6 i think) befor it better to swap (but like i said i havent looked around)

[runic hinge]

Fire mage says hello

[zenith tree]

quick someone put the plater profiles command

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[zenith tree]

thanks

[runic hinge]

Bottom 2

[rancid summit]

Is there a WA to track winning streak?

[red schooner]

2 set obtained, aw ye

[tropic cedar]

@balmy condor dc in my key again and im gonna kiss you on the lips

[balmy condor]

Will do

Calling Comcast now to beg them on my knees for less internet

[tropic cedar]

[balmy condor]

It works like half the time can we get that number closer to like 20% you fucking slackers

[red schooner]

myth track leather shoulders from raid, life is good sometimes

[spice spire]

At least the warrior hard carried

[tropic cedar]

tru. props to the warlock for rezzing my dumb ass on last boss twice as well

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/trAdqMdYET3huZdsNPDM8G
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8oU4iafWiRcpjHXn6et9J8
sadge

some difference to the gear ofc

[dreamy jungle]

!wa

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[snow kindle]

evoker and dk

[weary spear]

Untrue lol

[dreamy jungle]

can someone show me talent tree for m+

dont know which one fits best overall

[polar rampart]

am i just completely wrong in thinking assa is actually better than sub?

[runic hinge]

Both do different things.

Sub high burst and shorter cds but lower lows. Assa good sustained aoe and decent burst but bad ST.

[dawn heath]

does the last 2 from normal drop runed crest?

[haughty flicker]

i played hybrid in a priory instead of bleed

think its definitely the play

or at least kingsbane with bleed build

helps with killing paladins so much faster

[runic hinge]

I’ll probably switch once I do keys where things live 14 seconds

[haughty flicker]

thats fair

our damage was a bit low so they were surviving for quite a while

other than the one i kingsbaned anyway

did 800m to paladins and next highest was 550m

[dawn heath]

ramping quick is a skill

u never bother rupturing more than twice with your serrated bonespikes unless something is beeing chained in

so u can go into your cds

quick

too many people think its worth rupturing everything

spatter does your damage and CT

not rupture

rupture is just energy and agi buff with some passive damage

[dreamy jungle]

Should deathmaek and vanish be macroed together ?

[runic hinge]

No

You would vanish last 6 seconds of kingsbane in single target for the master assassin buff

[tawdry mica]

Does this mean that the newer belt is better but it's not replaced in the result?

Or is the upgrade exclusively from the dagger enchant and the belt is indifferent

[novel star]

enchant is a big upgrade and belt is a downgrade

p sure

[tawdry mica]

yeah looks like it

[novel star]

[warm vortex]

Genuinly
Trash goblin boss (forgot his name) is my least fav raid boss in a while

[tawdry mica]

Thing is, I have to replace this belt eventally and use another crafted with another embellishment

So idk I'll wait til I have the second spark

[runic hinge]

That’s just til next Tuesday

6 days

I believe you can make it

[novel star]

yerp

early szn waiting zz

[tawdry mica]

[runic hinge]

Embellishments are so negligible a 6 Ilvl upgrade wiped mine out

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt sound right

they suck, but not 6ilvl suck

[runic hinge]

Maybe

Maybe it was like 9

[drifting cloud]

was it also a socket

[runic hinge]

Belt was

Maybe it’s cause I just sent crests on shit to get to 645 or 4/8 champ so it was enough

[soft surge]

waaatt

i needa sim that

not for the nerub embel

but still thats pretty close

[runic hinge]

It was Dslice lol

[drifting cloud]

[timber meadow]

priory is so aids, legit like cant do any dmg with all the concentrate shit that drops... i do like 3.5 mil in that place cuase i cant hit the mobs half the time

[runic hinge]

MODS

@stuck knoll

[timber meadow]

lmfaooo

[stuck knoll]

Seli got him

[timber meadow]

i wanted the info

delted before i could click

[misty holly]

Is Mechano Core still good after the nerf?

[balmy condor]

Yes the nerfs were irrelevant

5% reduction to the less important half of the trinket

Shit didnt even make a difference in sims

[haughty flicker]

huge

[visual hemlock]

do i macro house of cards to 2min cds or i use that trinket on cd even if my 2min cooldowns aren't ready?

[tawdry halo]

Macro to CDs - Assassin is a burst spec so you want that extra trinket goodness during deathmark

[sharp viper]

finally got 2p

catalyzing to 4p is 30k dps loss

[haughty flicker]

huge

[misty holly]

This ruins my plan of trying to optimize my stats so that crit is my lowest stat and mastery highest so which ever one procs it's good!

[onyx coyote]

my dps feels lower since getting 2 piece

[fickle abyss]

I have a question
How can I set up plater that the target with deathstalker's mark has a different color then the rest of the name plates

[jaunty sparrow]

quite easy, check this script and adapt for deathstalker. https://wago.io/BnIHJN5xo

[fickle abyss]

thanks ❤️

[river verge]

Outside of CD windows, is it better to spam 5cp envenoms to cycle through mark faster (more darkest night procs), or slow down and try to envenom within pandemic timer?

[empty flame]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fickle abyss]

hmm it hates the '

[balmy condor]

We don’t track envenoms duration at all, use the first

[indigo mulch]

I just full send 😄

[strange sleet]

In my opinion and how I do the most DPS in the ST dummy, is by at least being aware of it. If you can slow down to keep envenom up, then do it. As long as you fill the same amount of Darkest Nights in a given lapse of time. But most of the time when I slow down is to properly apply Rupture when my mark has 1 stack

[jaunty sparrow]

you can use anything you want for a variable name, you don't have to call it hasDeathstalker'sMark

[river verge]

To that I ask, what do you mean by "properly apply Rupture" when mark has 1 stack?

[fickle abyss]

ok and how do I change it then to trak the mark?

[balmy condor]

If only numbers cared about opinions

We’d be doing so much more damage

[haughty flicker]

[jaunty sparrow]

okay so without fully teaching programming 101, the word that immediately comes after "local" is a variable. It's just a name, you can call it anything you want. Call it "x" or "foobar" or "hasDeathstalker". It doesn't matter. The important thing is where it runs Plater.NameplateHasAura(unitFrame, "Deathstalker's Mark")

you just have to refer to that name later, in that if statement on line 18

[strange sleet]

Like for example, If you have 1 stack and your energy is not the best at that time, but Rupture is about to enter into pandemic, then you wait a couple seconds to pop the last mark, and then generating the 7cp's to DN

If your energy is good, then you envenom to pop, get 7cp's to DN and then Rupture the new mark when it's low on time (Rupture is low on time I mean)

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/53gbodzs3szioTuMnu23MU this is driving me crazy what am I missing

how can same ilvl ring be -26k, it doesnt even fuck up cyrces

[balmy condor]

Does it fuck up priory

Crit priory has been real shit for people the last couple days

[peak bobcat]

you have pacemaker so that crit is going to change your priory

[drifting cloud]

oh is it the pacemaker proc

jesus christ

[peak bobcat]

yeah its crazy

[slate crown]

Correct don't use ' in the name, just local hasDSM =

[fickle abyss]

this one worked

[slate crown]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

Actually that explains why pacemaker wasn’t simming well for me earlier

I had more than enough crit that it would fuck with priory

[river verge]

ok gotcha thanks for the examples 😄

[empty flame]

For aoe should I be tab targeting to.spread rup and gur ? Or just let it spread with that talent

[drowsy sandal]

Just came back to the game after many many years of being gone I’m trying to figure out what percentage my critical, strike haste, mastery versatility, and avoidance should be at or that I should be aiming for? Anyone have a rough idea?

[drifting cloud]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[drowsy sandal]

All right well apparently a lot of people ask that question 😂 thank you for the help

[strange sleet]

Depends. The talent spreads Rupture and garrote to 2 nearby enemies, for a total of 3. If there are 5 stacked targets, then just the talent is ok. With 6, you want to target one of the three that didn't get debuffed to spread your stuff in 2 gcd's each

[drifting cloud]

you just want item level and you want your neck to usually have mastery, the rest theres alot of leeway

and if youre only doing m+ you dont wanna go crazy with haste

[buoyant herald]

Just use your zero haste sub set in m+

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[dusty needle]

what is this timer tracking on the afenar edit wa?

[runic hinge]

Indiscriminate carnage

[dusty needle]

ohhh thanks so much

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome boo

[tall jay]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[west crown]

Is there a world where we save cds if we know a coin is coming for bandit?

[haughty flicker]

there are kind of always coins rolling around no

like just send on pull and odds are theres a coin within your cd windows

[dusty needle]

This build is hella fun lmao - just excecute everything

[haughty flicker]

did we give up ap for iw

thats hype

lmao

[peak bobcat]

we love doing no damage

[severe meadow]

Good start tonight

[lethal arrow]

LAG

[drowsy sandal]

Wow so bad

Worse than yesterday

I had to control alt delete to close the game

[haughty flicker]

gingi is ddosing na servers

[amber brook]

I agree for me

[balmy condor]

No actually, he would’ve had to drop bone spike for ap if he wanted that, he technically gave up lightweight shiv and then swapped Ap into kb

[haughty flicker]

thats still pretty hype

i respect the cook though, i just ooga booga click import on wowhead

[dusty needle]

Found it while scouring radier io top ass rogues

some chinese fella

[old obsidian]

all NA got down for a mins

[vapid sierra]

!wa

[fathom flax]

If signet of priory procs crit is that worse than mastery or doesn’t matter

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawdry root]

For me it was a lot worse so I had to swap some gear for it to proc mastery

[fathom flax]

Yeah okay mad im not crazy

[vapid sierra]

why does whispyr wa just have a green square

[fathom flax]

You can put gear on that works out to be mastery on top the apply the ring buff from the circlet that snapshots it

And you’ll have a few thousand extra mastery that won’t get fucked by alchemical chaos flask

Circlet doesn’t seem to update until you change gear

[vapid gorge]

Do we think that assassination is going to outperform the other specs as the season continues? I still cant tell if its worth swapping to Sub for M+

[fathom flax]

Playing sub kinda means you need a house of cards/ transmitter

Ass much less so

(I think)

[vapid sierra]

the gear between the two

is similar

play what u like

[dusty needle]

huge advice

[old obsidian]

lol this shiet is mega sad

with 2 piece of tier wtf blizz

[haughty flicker]

What are we sad about

[fathom flax]

The circlet only seems to apply the buff when it gets equipped. So you can move other gear around and get your crit higher and it’ll stay as +mastery

[modest gale]

im seeing some logs of some keys where ppl only CT 10-15 per key, whats that about?

[vapid sierra]

do i dm>shiv>kb?

[buoyant herald]

Seems like a mistake tbh, if you’re taking it you should be using it far more often than that

[rotund marsh]

game dying rn?

[silk sundial]

yes

[haughty flicker]

Gingi is ddosing na

[rotund marsh]

lol, this is pretty shitty though

[modest gale]

well i would think that aswell but theyre pumping

[buoyant herald]

You can pump and still make mistakes

[haughty flicker]

Maybe they only did 10-15 pulls and everything died fast

[rotund marsh]

chilling in a TW dungeon waiting it out

[buoyant herald]

That too

[gritty laurel]

whether you shiv on the gcd before kb depends on whether you have double shiv charges, i'd recommend looking at the wowhead guide to get the rundown on how to handle rotation

[onyx rain]

are ya'll really just yoloing as much envenom as we can? i hate proccing tea when i dont want to but i am looking at logs and my envenoms are lower than others

[upper wraith]

How do I maximize dps on junk?

[rotund marsh]

envenom does really good damage rn. but yeah its costly for sure

[vale lantern]

so i copied a boomkins form as we dced

[rotund marsh]

i would hate to be spamming envenom in raid again 😦

[onyx rain]

i mean yea its our #1 damage

[vale lantern]

this is my life now

[gritty laurel]

sim doesn't even have logic for avoiding auto proccing tea anymore, just macro it to shiv and if it auto procs it isn't a loss

[slate crown]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[fathom flax]

Is this real advice

[fleet pagoda]

it's in the pins