assassination

[balmy condor]

idk bout insane but it's fun

[haughty flicker]

i think going bleed in top might be trolling

in pugs at least

i have not had any luck

[balmy condor]

I played it in a 10 top and it did the same damage as a heavy hybrid/st thing

[haughty flicker]

first boss is fun though

[balmy condor]

talents are actually quite balanced

problem is they're quite balanced to do no st

but such is life

[solar wyvern]

Not at home no screenshot, but it was Superchargex1 2x lethality, ttk, sd, no wire. What people were doing most of last season

[haughty flicker]

true

[runic hinge]

Brain rotted m plus player posting details in my holy single target spec channel

[balmy condor]

lethality

[golden loom]

Best part about bleed build is how easy of a choice ironwire is

[balmy condor]

idk why people are so hell bent on lethality

[balmy condor]

real

[solar wyvern]

I really like it idk, feels good compared to taking ma

Tho meadery and priory probably should be subterfuge+ma keys

[runic hinge]

You could take double supercharger forced induction instead of stinky lethality

[solar wyvern]

Haha nah I got flamed to hell for doing that last season

[runic hinge]

Who cares

[solar wyvern]

I was a forced induction believer

[golden loom]

Double vanish or I am not playing m+

[runic hinge]

If you’re playing hybrid and trying to eek out single target by not playing double vanish you should just lean all the way into it imo

[solar wyvern]

I just furiously ping spam the next pack and convince my tank to chain no vanish needed

[golden loom]

I double vanish on the same pack to reapply bleeds again, we are not the same

[solar wyvern]

Haha i just use it when it makes sense

Maybe I give forced induction another whirl but I'm psure thats just bait

[golden loom]

If you are playing cleave build, arent you just doing less aoe and less boss damage than sub

[balmy condor]

ye

[haughty flicker]

worst of both worlds

on review

the bleed build was fine

the hunter was not

so actual lesson is dont join keys with hunters

[thorn thorn]

Dwagon needs to reroll aug

[haughty flicker]

monk fucking pumps though

[runic hinge]

If you’re gonna play hybrid and not play subterfuge then you’re basically trying to get a little more ST so idk why you wouldn’t play FI over 2 lethality

[haughty flicker]

[peak bobcat]

Trying to eek out casually doing no damage

[runic hinge]

Im playing bleed build all season for two reasons

Shiv one and shiv two

[haughty flicker]

for my boy renzik

[runic hinge]

||blizzard would vaporize the rogue in the story||

[haughty flicker]

at least we get a cool transmog

[hearty reef]

the 5B

[severe meadow]

@balmy condor it finally happened

[balmy condor]

I'm still looking

[solar wyvern]

basically its 30k overall dps with 2x lethality vs 10k ST increase with Forced induction based on my dslice/patchwork 3/patchwork 5 sims

ofc MA wins the most with a 115k overall increase but idk, i hate being forced to use vanish as a DPS cd

(MA ST is -20k)

[balmy condor]

imp gar?

[solar wyvern]

I mean i still use it as a dps cd to be clear

I can just use it more flexibly

[runic hinge]

Yeah idk. I figure I’d just lean one way or the other. Speccing lethality for overall when you’re already not playing for overall is wack for me but idk. I ain’t playing that build anyways.

[tranquil cobalt]

Liquid dropping rogue buff for mythic prog. Yikes

[solar wyvern]

its joever

[haughty flicker]

i dont think atro is important at all for this fight, its just doing the mechanic properly

and there's no good rogue loot

might as well put in someone else

[celest helm]

what is the m+ bleed build i wanna try it

[viral apex]

hey friends, is it worth breaking 4 piece for 2 piece?

[runic hinge]

It’s in the wowhead guide towards the bottom of the talents page

[runic hinge]

Check the pins

[viral apex]

thanks!

[agile locust]

What poisons are ppl using on bleed build?

[balmy condor]

wdym, there's no options for poisons

[haughty flicker]

i use wound and crippling

[empty hinge]

team i need help how do i rename since im going belf again

[celest helm]

ew

[viral apex]

is the bleed build only on youtube?

[ornate dawn]

such a feelsbad simming heroic 4 set and it simming way lower than my 2+2

[ornate dawn]

belf master race

[peak musk]

4p with 655 simming 26k dps lower than 2p(639)+2p
... am i doing anything wrong?

[runic hinge]

It is in the wowhead guide at the bottom of the talents page

[runic hinge]

Debating on crippling over atrophic

[haughty flicker]

i actually use numbing most of the time

[runic hinge]

The idea being I can keep the 5% health mobs away from the new pack so I can get restealths when my tank is bad

[haughty flicker]

thats huge

i like the tech

are we allowed to complain about restealths if we play bleed build

[peak musk]

looks pretty shit :>

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[thorn thorn]

What image am I supposed to be looking at Whispyr

I see no red circles

Idk whats important

[ornate dawn]

Can we have different crops of this Tier bonus image im not getting enough of it

[solar wyvern]

whispyr why does my old 4 set sim lower than 2pc 2pc is something borken???1?

[solar wyvern]

LOL

[indigo ginkgo]

ahahaha

[runic hinge]

[thorn thorn]

Hmm, im still not sure what, I need more circles

[runic hinge]

I have so many vanish charges I could never complain

[viral apex]

is there a build that is fatebound bleed?

[balmy condor]

no

fatebound is giga shit

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[runic hinge]

Fatebound stinky aoe

[celest helm]

i had the same thing, it sims lower for me even with heroic upgraded but idk i trust the whispyr god

[solar wyvern]

what do they need to do to make fatebound viable inm+ is the question

[subtle tundra]

delete it

[balmy condor]

make it stop nerfing itself the more targets it gets

[solar wyvern]

good coms

[viral apex]

ouu alright lol

[runic hinge]

Make it not self cap

[balmy condor]

fatebound is worse in single target and then has multiple talents that just get worse in aoe

for no god damn reason

it's very strange

[slate crown]

What if fatebound made you spawn all ur coins when you die and when allies pick them up they gain a damage bonus. Except all the coins don't stay on the ground they land on their side and roll like discs and keep rolling in circles

[ornate dawn]

i ran all my keys last season as fatebound just to make the fatebound dev feel like he accomplished something

[balmy condor]

that's a raid mechanics lis I know you're a filthy casual but cmon now

[haughty flicker]

i think you should shit out coins, and then every minute or so you suck them up and do damage based on how much sucking you do

[balmy condor]

more creativity please!

[bitter solar]

We am become one armed bandit

[peak musk]

just looks like a super shit 4p, thought the old 2p outweights ~ilvl 645 but not 655 🙄

[slate crown]

OH I forgot about that mechanic lol

I barely paid attention on that fight I was healing and just staring at my raid frames

[balmy condor]

it's not a super shit 4pc is just a really good old 2pc

[ornate dawn]

make 4sets great again

[slate crown]

[celest helm]

so why does it sim lower? i understand that guide says take it but i simmed full upgraded heroic ilvl and its somehow still a downgrade in any sim i tried idk why lolol

[balmy condor]

I...

hello?

is this thing on

[ornate dawn]

NGL id love a 6 set,

a 2, a 4, and a 6 set bonus

[haughty flicker]

[haughty flicker]

pin this

[slate crown]

Nah it's not fried enough

the screenshot

[celest helm]

yes is THIS thing on? i see it says to get it immediatelt but when i sim it it says its a downgrade so im curious if im simming wrong lol

[ionic hill]

Needs more jpeg

[thorn thorn]

Better?

[balmy condor]

2+2 is immediate

new 4pc is not

[haughty flicker]

are you saying 2+2 is simming lower than your old 4p

[balmy condor]

the entire convo has been 4pc bad

we all know it

2+2 is good

[ionic hill]

[thorn thorn]

So you are telling me that 2+2 > 4?

Crazy

[celest helm]

yeah 2+2 is simming lower than my old 4 for some reason i think i fucked up my sim somewhere or im just an idiot

[balmy condor]

link

[royal lantern]

its missing a "also sim yourself"

so not enough information given

smh my head

[runic hinge]

Wack cause my sim told me to drop old 4 for ilvl

[pure moth]

Fixed

[ornate dawn]

Needs more jpeg

[runic hinge]

That’s really good. Can I get some subway surfers gameplay underneath in like a gif format tho?

[haughty flicker]

dank

[thorn thorn]

Not fried enough, I can still read some of the words

[dreamy rover]

i really wanted to select all the talents how do i get more points

[thorn thorn]

[dreamy rover]

i need all of these

[runic hinge]

Level to 90

[thorn thorn]

Perfect

[subtle tundra]

couldnt you have just put a diagonal one in the 2

[viscid spear]

I was using MS Paint and couldn't figure out how

[subtle tundra]

omg.. noob...

[viscid spear]

Here it is in Dark Mode, the white might be too blinding

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[viscid spear]

I was going to put a little angry Whispyr pfp too but I didn't want to be accused of vandalism

[tawdry root]

Anyone know of a content creator that does good commentaries on raid boss assa rogue gameplays?

[viscid spear]

I still have this

[thorn thorn]

I do not understand this meme

[viscid spear]

You wouldn't

[dreamy rover]

explain it fuckass

[viscid spear]

Two year old meme

Besides, I have dinner to eat, laters

[thorn thorn]

Its a 4d meme

We were never meant to understand

[dreamy rover]

😔

[balmy condor]

okay I like priory

priory is good

[spice spire]

It’s a local meme. I raided with ash in shadowlands and df

[spice spire]

It’s Meadery time bozo

First pull is just survival

[balmy condor]

do not ask me to do mecha-gone or cinderbitch meatery

[runic hinge]

M+ brain

[spice spire]

How do I have higher keys than you (meadery) Smh my head

[silver escarp]

Isn't mecagone easier than most of them?

[spice spire]

Tbh most of the keys this season aren’t tooo too bad

[fresh kelp]

mechagon is some of the least fun ive had playing melee ever i think

[silver escarp]

Fuck motherlode

not going in there again

[fresh kelp]

but it is easy

[silver escarp]

Still hate it

[balmy condor]

do not like that key! VERY BAD!

[silver escarp]

First room after first boss is annoying af

[spice spire]

I +2’d a 9 in a random pug earlier with a boomkin doing s1 damage (but he did mechanics well)

[balmy condor]

2500 today though if we get a cinderbrew and a mechagon though

but we keep getting fuckass rookerys

[hot field]

All my homies hate rookery!

[spice spire]

Kwan tanks it well. Just don’t pull chewie when he pulls literally everything else

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-bus-stop-angry-shouting-gif-5144560278104615828

[spice spire]

Me to the second boss

[balmy condor]

infinite rookeries

[runic hinge]

I want to be home pushing keys

Why am I at work

[tired oyster]

Bitches love money, not m+score

[pure moth]

I failed 2 2s...

[spice spire]

I need to do at least one ten this week

I don’t think I’ve failed a key yet.
I’ve been stuck on tank duty most of the time.

[runic hinge]

Tank these nuts on your chin

[pure moth]

630 players doing 400k still

[vagrant hearth]

hii do you play cleave build any dungeon or with arterial precision? or is bleed build just better all dung

[silver escarp]

Keep getting loots that would break my 4p, so can't upgrade my gear, so can't get taken in 7 and + kek

[thorn thorn]

Are they tanks or something

How is that possible

[pure moth]

Equip it and take it off before key starts

[hasty viper]

So I know cleave build is like the most situational shit in the planet, but I feel like it MIGHT be good in ToP? That dungeon really doesn't have a lot of big packs, but Whispyr probably knows best

[spice spire]

Quakewar is running 1.2 in dungeons

Do not sully him like that

[pure moth]

Im not even sure. But I had a630 ret doing 400k

[spice spire]

But I’m also likely a colossus enjoyer

[vagrant hearth]

ye was thinking the same ty will try it

[spice spire]

I’ve seen the light

[viscid spear]

I did a Brew today, garbage place

[silver escarp]

that's sneaky

[viscid spear]

Quakewar?

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m in prot prison

[pure moth]

We are rogues...

[silver escarp]

fair point

[spice spire]

For keys because whispyr is taking the tank that’s doing keys

[viscid spear]

Thank God you're not pulling Quakethree on ppl

[polar sinew]

Am I a good boy ?

[royal lantern]

this channel is really turning into #outlaw huh

dmg overall spam

[haughty flicker]

my turn next

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna post one that looks like s1 damage

[polar sinew]

I discovered that bleed m+ build, never used it but damn it's strong even in ST it's Ok

[royal lantern]

nah it isnt lol

aoe? yeha sure

[polar sinew]

it's Ok without ST spell/burst

[royal lantern]

but the st is not good lol

[runic hinge]

Especially not good if you don’t run KB

[buoyant herald]

i like running the KB/iron wire version

[balmy condor]

@inland dirge stop being good

what the fuck man

[polar sinew]

If I run KB, can i still do the "dry kriss" ? or it's better to kriss > KB > kriss (7sec before the end of KB) ?

[dreamy rover]

bleed build so fucking chinese this is insanse

[balmy condor]

yeah still can

[balmy condor]

nihao?

[polar sinew]

oh nice

[dreamy rover]

tested it, cool. but im probably never using it again

[inland dirge]

I’m being carried by my guild, don’t worry

I am bad!

[balmy condor]

you're getting put in the dirt kiddo

world first assa 12 flood incoming

you're toasted

and roasted

[runic hinge]

Whisp is a true m+ main now

[haughty flicker]

why do you have the garrison hearthstone still

[runic hinge]

Doing keys beyond vault level

[inland dirge]

[balmy condor]

in case I need it

[haughty flicker]

for what

[tight sparrow]

To remember how bad the game can be and to be thankful for what we have now

[haughty flicker]

he has this discord to remind him how bad the game is

[gilded oasis]

happy to be of service

[runic hinge]

[static glacier]

im having impostor syndrome

like 20-30% or more overall every key

but st bosss dam is

highkey embarassing

am I carrying or getting boosted

[gilded oasis]

wtf bonerspike gang growing

[haughty flicker]

i call it a win if i beat the tank on bosses

[runic hinge]

It’ll never be good. Just play for overall and turn off details for bosses

[buoyant herald]

yes

[runic hinge]

Gang gang

[static glacier]

managed 3.8 overall on priory 10

but like competing with tank on bossess xd

[haughty flicker]

we are the new boomkins

[static glacier]

i think it getss even worse next week

no orbs to funnel CT / FoK from

[shy sorrel]

https://gyazo.com/f99d786598baf119a14b05ae8718d87f Is this a decent trinket for Assa?

[static glacier]

yep

[haughty flicker]

dont let whispyr see

[static glacier]

tragedy happened, tank looted a 3/6 signet but couldn't trade while having 2/6 ssignet

[haughty flicker]

oof

that feels so bad

[balmy condor]

update, first boss is hard

[inland dirge]

go again 11 angle i'm still cooked

[balmy condor]

we are so back

run it back

[inland dirge]

godspeed

[haughty flicker]

im surprised stix is taking this many pulls

these rwf raiders need to take a day off and go play katamari

[severe sparrow]

man i hate priory

[void pecan]

If we drop kb what do we take instead, with bleed build, doom?

[buoyant herald]

the world is your oyster

there's lots of variants so depends what you're already working with here

[spice surge]

Did MOMMA smash your balls in?

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice surge]

[royal lantern]

did you like it

[modern pivot]

hey for aoe i do great but for st i struggle. doess any1 have some guide?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

play sub

[tall jay]

lol

[balmy condor]

timed

I'm cumming for that ass

CMERE BOI

and we got the cinderbrew we needed

you're chopped

[spice surge]

Whispyr pushing rio score

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[balmy condor]

im having fun

(I will burn out)

[humble verge]

yes, its fun to do keys with tanks

friend tanks*

[balmy condor]

need that

[humble verge]

atleast he pumps

cause holy

i actually did tank damage on first area

cause his fucking proc hits

for like 12 milion

[balmy condor]

that's literally 80 points right there

[humble verge]

LITERALLY

CS

[balmy condor]

yeah

[humble verge]

LITERALLY

[balmy condor]

blood is life bro

[haughty flicker]

sanlayn is funny as fuck

[humble verge]

ok but like

we got an 11 rookery

[brave comet]

do i lose much for ditching this for kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

dude wtf

[humble verge]

surely we dont fuck this one up either xD

[balmy condor]

that's free

[brave comet]

this is the bleeds build btw

[humble verge]

idk if i should swap back to SB

[harsh harbor]

anyone have the macro Whispyr had in his vid for shiv?

!!shiv

[spice surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[harsh harbor]

!shiv

HAH

it worked

!shiv

Fuck its tea

thought i figured it out

[haughty flicker]

place your bets on how many more deaths there will be

[harsh harbor]

name checks out

[thorn thorn]

20

[true condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

there were only 11 more

[thorn thorn]

Half points

[haughty flicker]

ez 119 gold

[thorn thorn]

Surely that will cover the repair cost

[haughty flicker]

i dont think ive seen more people die to bulls since my time in spain

[vapid geode]

is it worth to catalyst right now if im not a raider? or just wait for vault at least

[royal lantern]

would always wait for vault

[buoyant herald]

if you're not raiding then you can wait 3 days for the upgrade 😛

[vapid geode]

i have like 5ilvl sitting in bags D:

[royal lantern]

you wait until reset ESPACIALLY if you are raiding lol

cool, i have 7

[buoyant herald]

me too

got 4 hero track tier slot items just itching to be catalysed

[true condor]

lets goooo

[nova aspen]

u cant mutilate with a sword sir

[true condor]

omg

wrong channel lord

💀

[buoyant herald]

right channel, wrong craft

[runic hinge]

how could you do this to me

[true condor]

💀 i didnt sleep almost 2 day for this

28 keys run

[brave comet]

is this what refunds points on ruptures?

when i tried to swap this for iron wire my ruptures stopped refunding me points

[gusty mirage]

yes, it automatically bone spikes targets you rupture

[brave comet]

oh dear lord i tried swapping this for kingsbane and it felt so bad

[gusty mirage]

yea I'd imagine it'd feel really shitty in aoe

[brave comet]

it did

[gusty mirage]

but that's all part of the learning curve. Don't be afraid to tinker around and figure out stuff that way 🙂

[brave comet]

i had to fok between ruptures so i can apply it to more targets

[old obsidian]

and brothers... when we equip 4 pieces? with hero? or eternal 2 - 2? :_c?

[hollow river]

gotta sim

Def not eternal 2+2

I think most people are aiming to catalyst hero track bare minimum

[old obsidian]

:'c

[hollow river]

Cata charges are kinda wasted on anything lower, if you plan on getting hero eventually

[humble verge]

ok im slacking on KB

23 casts

in like 36 minutes

skull

[haughty flicker]

0 casts bis

[humble verge]

is motherlode supposed to be 39 minutes

cause like we went 38:23

idk is rio/timer wrong or

[balmy condor]

dunno

but top 100 yippie

[haughty flicker]

whispyr m+ main now

[soft surge]

Now that’s epic

[haughty flicker]

out of all of those keys im surprised workshop is the last one to 10

that key feels easy af

[thorn thorn]

Probably lack of key rng

[balmy condor]

yeah

[haughty flicker]

ye

[balmy condor]

we deadass aren't getting it

[thorn thorn]

A classic

[balmy condor]

and then we did some limit testing in a 10 priory

missed time by like 15 seconds

and that of course rolled into the mechagon

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[ivory latch]

Grats on top 100

[balmy condor]

tyty

we also didn't get a fucking cinderbrew for forever

[indigo ginkgo]

i am home finaly
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DYhVRK6ERD7EcPoJArrmY

[balmy condor]

very strange

[indigo ginkgo]

like its , by 26k

[balmy condor]

yeh it's a lot

idk

maybe gear

[indigo ginkgo]

i was thinking the same cuz i see you all playing death

[balmy condor]

but it's equal for me

which is still weird

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[balmy condor]

idk I guess it's playable on exactly one fight

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcxtwRARCz8aNEGA2QjZVi

like legit

perfectly equal

[indigo ginkgo]

did they change samething like a stealth buf or ...

[balmy condor]

nope

[haughty flicker]

its 6k ahead for me

lmao

[indigo ginkgo]

or its the apm of sims ?

[balmy condor]

yo sprocketmonger meta

lets fucking go

[haughty flicker]

no i dont think i will

ah

[balmy condor]

I mean it was kinda close in s1 and I'm pretty sure it just has a better return cause %dam good

but yeh idk

[haughty flicker]

sat in a pug for 15 minutes while they try to fill

and i get kicked and replaced

[balmy condor]

I'm in the opposite boat

3/5 spots filled

[haughty flicker]

m+ would be fun if i could just like

play m+

instead of cookie clicker

maybe i should actually try to find a group

[median citrus]

ive been trying to get into a 2 for 25 minutes

[haughty flicker]

wait i have a better idea

[balmy condor]

yeah I found some good people

[haughty flicker]

i get an addon that actually turns lfg into cookie clicker

[balmy condor]

very good stuff

[haughty flicker]

ye i think i'll have to start looking

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty flicker]

ive done a couple with this new guild but we'll see how that goes

[median citrus]

make ur own guild

Cookie Clickers

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sCNrue5ZmRpSHHj1YJwkPX looking at sims, idk if i wanna actually cata te shoulders but i just tried it out ig

the*

ive just gotten giga unlucky with loot sadge

[fresh kelp]

shoulda gone right after nerfs, full 10s was like rank 40

[balmy condor]

dude wox is like 2920

that dude is an alien

absolute m+ freak

[humble verge]

i got a #72 mechagon

its depleted tho

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage get him

[humble verge]

o wtf

whispyr balling

[fresh kelp]

the squish group are the biggest chads in the entire scene

[humble verge]

true

i hope they can actually somewhat compete with the top later on

they did last season ofc but

not high enough sadge

[gusty mirage]

nah man

friendly reminder though when I was doing the same shit

this asshole called me mentally ill

[humble verge]

OME

but are we sure

[gusty mirage]

give it a week or two, and he'll go back

[humble verge]

whispyr wont push 18 keys tho

[fresh kelp]

a simple 11, one key level above the max for gear, is the gateway drug

[uncut dragon]

can someone tell me how much dps I'm losing in M+ if I'm using spatter/FOK instead of the bleed build?

[balmy condor]

0

[uncut dragon]

0 is not a log of loss. Nice video today btw!

and grats on 7/8

[balmy condor]

ty

[uncut dragon]

So I can be, while not min-max'd, kinda be lazy and just stick with that cleave build in M+ and fatebound in raid so I have fewer buttons to smash

[balmy condor]

I mean bleed build probably worse

[drifting cloud]

my sample size of 3 10s with bleed I was a fan

very relevant I know

[balmy condor]

okay but am I wrong??

[autumn frost]

!darkest night

!wa

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[autumn frost]

Looking for the darkest night weakaura. is there a command? I'm trying to keep track of the mob

For which mob it's on. or is that a plater aura

[runic hinge]

plater probs

whispyrs turns it purple

and then to brown if you have DSM and caustic

[gusty mirage]

considering you're posting your raider io board in here

yes

[balmy condor]

we can both me mentally ill

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-baby-speech-bubble-cat-speech-baby-cat-gif-4142671478724681183

[balmy condor]

sorry for typo

in a key

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078500556139659357/1266583932426653826/attachment.gif

[drifting cloud]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/991008874880466995/boysmell-1.gif

[runic hinge]

do you use dungeon weakauras

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[runic hinge]

which one

[drifting cloud]

let me check

its one with voice stuff, never used that before

its kinda fun

[runic hinge]

causese?

[drifting cloud]

yeah https://wago.io/twwdungeons

[blazing pumice]

hmm, i can't seem to get the free dagger upgrade to work

[drifting cloud]

that sounds right, because its fixed

[vale lantern]

^

[blazing pumice]

toxic

when did that happen

[vale lantern]

start of the tier

[fallow estuary]

ring bug with cyrces still works tho right?

[balmy condor]

think so

[hidden bay]

yes

i played some keys with my dh which has 15 less ilvl and did same dmg with my big rogue

[fresh kelp]

funny they're saying the reverse over there

[arctic shale]

!wa

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[runic hinge]

My single target sim is telling me to drop old 4 set for ilvl

[balmy condor]

yeh

old 4 set bad

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rotund oak]

no rogues in liquid's roster RWF

[buoyant herald]

Not for trash man anyway

They had exile in earlier

[rotund oak]

im watching the man

he's such a gamer

[dapper cradle]

exile is cool and good

[vale lantern]

my buffs wont change off 0 seconds

tried reloading restarting

anyone have this problem

[buoyant herald]

happens sometimes yeah

[sharp viper]

had something like that happen during a DFC run yesterday, went away after entering and leaving combat again

[radiant raven]

Also had it happen during a DFC. Something about the minecart, maybe.

[cedar flicker]

!wa

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[pastel cradle]

hey in Operation: Floodgate, Big M.O.M.M.A boss, do you guys wait to use cds until it uses jumpstart or you just drop the cds at the beginning of the fight?

[short flint]

Anyone know why my 639 skardyn is outsimming my 649 signet by 40k? signet is 300more agi and only 49 less mastery on use effect. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3f7Q7GyoKS6rF5SoE9pKqf

[ripe carbon]

thats weird

[snow kindle]

Do you know if it’s simming as mastery

[short flint]

Im not sure but its def mastery in game

i have 21k mastery and like 9k next

[snow kindle]

Idk how it could be 40k less unless it simmed another stat

[short flint]

yeh i thought that too, i tested in game and it is mastery thats proccing

[balmy condor]

stop simming weekly

[short flint]

latest or nightly?

[balmy condor]

always latest

[short flint]

running latest now

[balmy condor]

if it still doesn't win send the link

maybe I need to fix it again

stupid fucking thing

[short flint]

yeh its 12k more now for signet, thx for the advice!

[balmy condor]

np

the damn thing isn't being auto-picked up by the precombat line

which checks if you have a stat on-use

and it's super annoying

cause it'll just slam it on cd for fun

so I had to add a special line like friday morning or something to make it play nice

hate it!

[timid cradle]

In m+ should I send kingsbane if mark is gonna be late at all? Or do I hold it if it would delay mark?
Like if I enter pack and kingsbane is off cd and mark is like 50s

[buoyant herald]

50s you'd just rip it unless you know you're going to need mark right on CD

[timid cradle]

At what point is it better to hold kingsbane? Just guesstimate on whether I lose a mark cast overall or is there a better solution?

[balmy condor]

it's too situational to give a direct answer

you just learn when to send and when to hold based on the dungeons

it's an experience thing you just gotta get used to

[rotund oak]

whispyr the m+ pusher btw

[balmy condor]

real

top 80

we keep going

got a 12 motherlode for tomorrow

[sharp viper]

hot damn

[buoyant herald]

we're rising lads

[balmy condor]

[buoyant herald]

monk ToD saved us

forgot that little shit jumped out of his machine

[true rapids]

I copied the tea macro but its not using the tea any ideas?

[royal lantern]

no charges?

[true rapids]

im at 3 rn just hitting a dummy

[golden loom]

do you happen to have a thistle tea in the bank?

like the old item

[true rapids]

lemme check I think just the recipe

yes I do

[golden loom]

cause some people here that have had the macro not work

is cause of that

xd

so yeah theres the bandit

[true rapids]

ok i sent the tea to another char and it worked for 2 charges but it wouldnt let me use it for a 3rd charge

[tawny geyser]

Whispyr, got a 2 set and 2 set from S1. so 2+2
But I also just got HC upgrade on hands and shoulders which are my last S1 sets. Should I switch for ilvl or stick with it?

[grim jay]

you should sim

[golden loom]

did you space out the casts so the cast sequence had time to go away?

[tawny geyser]

kekw

[true rapids]

ya I did it works for the first 2 casts but the 3rd one doesnt work for some reason

like its longer than the 5 seconds from the macro idk

[golden loom]

sounds weird

[true rapids]

but at least it works now that I moved the tea so its fine

[hollow river]

if you spam it, it resets

[dusk wagon]

Hey, I'm sure you guys know of Ulria's tier piece google sheet. 4 piece is not simming higher than 2/2 - I checked the pin comments. What does the envom damage mean and why would it eventually not be as good?

[balmy condor]

the old 2 piece directly buffs envenom damage

envenom is a large part of our damage

old 2 piece very strong

new 2 piece buffs envenom, old 2 piece buffs envenom

envenom envenom envenom

[royal lantern]

envenom?

[dusk wagon]

the pin says that eventually 4pc becomes better - is it just mythic ilvl that does it?

[balmy condor]

something like that

[primal burrow]

Bullshit design that will be changed for sure. Blizzard surely posted that "they didn't succeed to balance classes because of tier set so they generify". Yeah, they gonna see how baseline design of rogue doesnt make it to benefit from their shiny new set ?

[balmy condor]

what

[primal burrow]

Nvm I'm grumpy

[spice surge]

Wow, and raiding especially, have been very balanced for a long time actually

[primal burrow]

Yeah but they made a post saying so

[spice surge]

I dont remember them doing that

[primal burrow]

That different tier sets with different power made them on a difficulty to see where classes have drawbacks sometimes

i.e Baseline power shadowed by tiers set

[balmy condor]

I mean then you should be happy about our tier set

the season 2 tier piece is basically right on target

they typically balance tier sets to around 4/5% per bonus

and we are basically right in that range

the season 1 two piece is the one that's out of that range

so if you're mad at anything, be mad at the old one

[hearty reef]

in DF s2 some tier pieces were defo more than 5%

[primal burrow]

They did while introducing the new generic design

[balmy condor]

the target was also probably higher in DF considering there wasn't hero talents

[primal burrow]

Generic to get a better idea of where classes should be better tuned baseline. And they are doing it currently with the last patch

[balmy condor]

isn't that a good thing

[nimble lava]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[primal burrow]

Yes

[balmy condor]

okay so why are we mad

[primal burrow]

But for now I'm sitting with +15 ilvl potential 2pc that sims lower in bag 😛

[balmy condor]

sounds like free damage with no effort

gg

[primal burrow]

A way to see this yeah. Or, you can say that not benefitting from more stats and stamina is .. bad design

But yeah

[balmy condor]

that's always been the case with special effects on gear though

I mean embellishments

just for starters

been like that since 2004

[primal burrow]

I skipped after BFA with breaks etc and not as far as I remember but was not playing rogue too

[balmy condor]

legendaries every expac they were added

bfa azerite was often power > ilvl

benthic gear

corruptions

legendary daggers in cata

edge of night

I mean the mop cloak, the wod ring

that's just how it works when you add bonus effects to items

[primal burrow]

Anyway is people getting more 4pc / gear make assa brough to the top step by step again in stats ? Catching up slowly sub

[balmy condor]

what

[primal burrow]

Archon stats (or wclogs which is the same), I see assa climbing day by day

[frosty bridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[balmy condor]

okay?

[golden loom]

this item being BIS for ferals from level 40 all the way into TBC

[balmy condor]

what does archon data have to do with anything

[visual hemlock]

i wanna say thanks whispyr for providing so much information on so many sources, you are awesome

[royal lantern]

guys, whats the name of the finger socket thingy on the AH again

[visual hemlock]

i would lick windows in dalaran if it werent for you

[balmy condor]

np, I lick windows in dalaran because they're tasty

[balmy condor]

magnificient jeweler

[golden loom]

magnificent jewellers setting

[royal lantern]

thanks

[tawdry mica]

i'm actually enjoying the current set of dungeons. tons of big pulls, lots of numbers, caustic spatter go crazy

[subtle tundra]

annoying fucking dungeons

get me out

[tawdry mica]

lol

[balmy condor]

I'm having way more fun than s1

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor you say vers is BAD but my sim has me use vers gems smh my head

[balmy condor]

ok

[tawdry mica]

Me too, especially having these new ground markers for enemies' abilities

It's way more enjoyable

[royal lantern]

jokes aside, its always funny when a ring that is 20ilvl higher sims only 0,1% better

fake slot

[bitter solar]

There feels like more ground shit for sure but damn at least it's visible and looks cool while I have my dick in my hand especially in rookery

[royal lantern]

i only dislike that last packs before the final boss in rockery

cus the orbs drown kinda out bettwen all the big golem enemys

[tawdry mica]

ML last boss when he starts spinning, now we're actually able to see the area 🥺 I used to get hit a lot by that

[subtle tundra]

maybe ill try a ranged this season

just dont know which...

[royal lantern]

you go down a dark path

[subtle tundra]

i said maybe

very unlikely

[bitter solar]

That's a nice change for sure. Back in bfa my groups tank used to troll us because if you taunted it would spin the boss to the tank and mess up the animation lol

[subtle tundra]

probably raid logging after prog

[golden loom]

all the visual upgrades they made for this season is so sick though

[subtle tundra]

i think its being overdone by whatever

they are too prominent

[royal lantern]

thats the point

[subtle tundra]

im just a hater

[golden loom]

hating to hate

I respect the hustle

[royal lantern]

channeling his inner quake

[tall saffron]

is hero track signet of the priory supposed to sim higher than transmitter?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85ChrsN4LdL5UDiBi8S3kD

[primal burrow]

At least made me lower some graphics ...

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc

[tall saffron]

lol i got 2 rotting in my bag i thought only house of cards myth better than transmitter

[balmy condor]

💀

maybe for sub

we're not a 1:30 spec

[spice surge]

Ye sub is cursed

Besides transmitter and house the best option is the pvp trinket 💀

[royal lantern]

trinkettuning.jpg

[hexed canopy]

Whispyr I have Seen your Videos , did you consider the BoE Neck with crit mastery in your Sims?

Or was it also within those 80+ 0.3% Margin?

[gritty merlin]

what fight style are u using for M+ simulation ?

Dungeon slice or custom APL ?

[balmy condor]

It’s worse

[balmy condor]

Dslice

[old lily]

is there a guide to which specs to use on which bosses? such as what fights count as council and which would be sufficient to only change into caustic spatter?

[peak bobcat]

Assassination on every boss

[old lily]

i realise i wrote that wrong

[ripe carbon]

does 2 bubbling wax do more then just 1 bubbling wax?

[old lily]

i meant the specific assa talent sets sry

[balmy condor]

Yes but why are we using wax

[peak bobcat]

internal bleeding on sprocket

[ripe carbon]

true

[balmy condor]

Caustic on everything except sprocket

[ripe carbon]

im down to 30k in bank and feel poor

[balmy condor]

+10 carries are 800k atm

[ripe carbon]

im not that good

[balmy condor]

I see

[sharp viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[old lily]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[late goblet]

How does subterfuge effect the opener? Should I be putting mut on my stealth bar to apply caustic..?

[golden loom]

Ambush also works to apply caustic, tooltip is just a bit scuffed

[agile mason]

Got a gear question, if anyone's willing

[late goblet]

ah that's why I was asking, thank you!

[neon drift]

!fuu

[rotund oak]

i mean,pvp trinket is rly good

[vestal cliff]

it dropped

[rotund oak]

with avoidance

pretty big

[vestal cliff]

oooh yes

is it worth upgrading on 6/6

[rotund oak]

if u dont have any better ye why not

[old lily]

no speed

try again

[rotund oak]

dunno if its the priority

ild first go for wpns

[old lily]

it's the priory not the priority

[rotund oak]

I used to shoot ducks

😂

[old lily]

used to* being the key

[rotund oak]

yup,ive abandoned hunting as a hobby

[manic quartz]

!wa

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[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[digital spindle]

How do y’all do good aoe with lots of low HP mobs or with no great caustic spatter target?

[acoustic roost]

Sudden demise

Or just deal with it until you get into higher keys

[subtle tundra]

assa op

gg

[livid turtle]

sims telling me to use my 619 Wrathstone is SURELY BAIT... right?

[golden loom]

depends on what ur other trinkets are

like wrathstone is good but ofc if u had like a 639 skardyns last season u wouldnt use it over that

[placid wave]

2pc2pc on sin is vgood which is super common this week

[livid turtle]

639 transmitter the only other viable trinket i think, had like 80 Grim batols still sitting on the 619 skardyns 🙂

[frigid niche]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty flicker]

580 mainhand pog

[hearty reef]

these bleed buffs are the best thing to happen to sin since IC

[subtle tundra]

bruh

delete ic

spec is better immediately

dont talk to me

[gentle finch]

Hey everyone, I have a question regarding the standard M+ build; I was wondering since I'm not a big fan of Seal Fate and having to crit for an aditional combo point, could it be viable to drop that talent for Twist the Knife and getting a bit more haste instead of crit so I could try and keep 2 envenom stacks up as much as I could?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[hollow river]

[gritty laurel]

seal fate is just free combo points, you don't have to worry about stacking crit or anything like that for it to be valuable. you also don't need to stack haste to maintain envenom uptime

[subtle tundra]

the spec literally does not work

without seal fate

[gentle finch]

I was a bit worried i would have to stack a lot of crit for it to work but in that case i'll just follow the build as I should, thank you a lot ❤️

[royal lantern]

nah

assa doesnt care about stats

[subtle tundra]

its literally the 2nd most important talent

in the tree

[royal lantern]

seal fate is just free cp that make the spec a bit more dynamic

[hearty reef]

bro is so mad

[subtle tundra]

only venomous wounds is a more important talent

[hearty reef]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

yeah. people with your opinion ruined my spec

[royal lantern]

bleed buffs = for some reason buff the overtuned aoe ability

the entire thing is so frking weird

why is CT doing SO much dmg

[hearty reef]

so called aoe ability

that does aoe dmg

[royal lantern]

no other aoe ability in the game does so much dmg with a single cast

CT is legit just broken rn

[haughty flicker]

its definitely a bit silly lmao

[royal lantern]

its a AoE ability with a desing that is supposed to make it weaker against single targets

but the dmg is so high, that you use it on ST anyway

let it make sense

not even a "CT on ST sucks" thing, just think abot that for a second lol

[jolly vault]

I mean personally I use it to generate more energy xD

[royal lantern]

CT doesnt generate energy

[subtle tundra]

lol

[jolly vault]

It does not? Welp, extra damage

[royal lantern]

read venemous wounds

[jolly vault]

My whole life was a lie

[slate crown]

The spec belongs to the people comrade.

[subtle tundra]

is it extra if its less than an envenom xd

[slate crown]

And the people

Nevermind

[subtle tundra]

i was the people

me and the 3 others who played jt jn m+

[rotund oak]

im liking more that augvoker is on the dirt

stupid m@d@f@k@n' spec

shouldnt exist

[golden loom]

keep on bleeding

+6 priory

[rotund oak]

im wondering at what key lvl the demand for ST kicks in

'bleed should still be able to go 10+

not even far behind hybrid

[harsh violet]

!wa

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[digital venture]

is there anyway that we can go bone spikes and kingsbane on the bleed build?

I feel weird without KB

[noble pine]

hey guys someone has probably asked this before but here i go , i'm simming higher with 2p-2p than with the new 4p is it correct ? or is there a problem with the sims

[golden loom]

new 4p needs high ilvl to be better than 2+2

[digital venture]

You'll need higher Ilvl for 4p

[noble pine]

tnx

[red schooner]

I have no clue if my plater is bugged or if blackjack is somehow working on bosses in m+, I feel like that ain't meant to work.

[hollow river]

whispyr says it seems to work on some bosses

[red schooner]

Ye, noticed it when I tried to orb clear on 2nd boss of motherlode

Which is odd.

But hey, I'll take it

[hollow river]

wouldn't really be the bleed build then would it? 😉

[harsh violet]

does anybody have a separate weak aura for winning streak? I like using luxthos WA but it's not in built in assa

i mean LE group*

[pine cave]

can you give me your talents ?

[nova aspen]

+6 priory

not bleed build

[slate crown]

I did not implement Winning Streak because there's not a reason to track it (for assa). If you want to see it you can make one very easily, just create the aura and enter winning streak into the trigger, it's the baseline default new aura if you create one

[harsh violet]

Thanks for responding and keeping it up to date

[nova aspen]

also the helm AND the trinket dropped and i got neither

love it

keep it coming

[rotund oak]

hybrid?

or did u cook anything else

not that are many other things..

[nova aspen]

i used the build from fuu's sheet

which is hybrid yea

[rotund oak]

im trying this tonight,im playing my mage again but starting on rogue soonish

my mage is stupid lucky

idk,it breathes and bis loot drops

[warm vortex]

Oh my god floodgate is fucking horrid

[rotund oak]

i find it fun

but ye

[warm vortex]

Fuck it

[rotund oak]

there are hardships

😂

[warm vortex]

Like idk if it attracts the most braindead, uncapable people

But jesus christ

[rotund oak]

will be nerfed 100%

[warm vortex]

Either that or it's horridly overtuned

[rotund oak]

both most likely

[nova aspen]

i dont mind floodgate

[warm vortex]

Like both trash and boss feel insane

I've done every other key (Minus darkflame) and operation feels like

[crisp stream]

guys, does assa energy starve in keys during ST like s1?

[warm vortex]

5 key levels above the others

It's insane

[golden loom]

I mean yeah nothing changed in that regard

[warm vortex]

Also depleted it like 3 times

It's so stupid

[crisp stream]

damn, i wish that issue was sorted

[warm vortex]

Fuck this fucking dungeon and fuck these idiots in pugs

[rotund oak]

its like chromie instance when it opened

[warm vortex]

Isn't that like

[rotund oak]

was cringe AF

[warm vortex]

the class design

Of assassination

It's not an "issue"

It's how the class is desing

[warm vortex]

The chromie boss?

[hasty viper]

Honestly it's mostly pugs, when you have a group of friends who know what they're doing it's about the level of what you'd expect. I actually feel like there are more outliers when it comes to easy dungeons this time around

[rotund oak]

the entire instance,in DF,forgot the name lul

[crisp stream]

never felt that until they changed how Tea works

[hasty viper]

Dawn of the infinites?

[rotund oak]

yup

[warm vortex]

Might be that? And it's season start

[warm vortex]

That is

100% a genuine skill issue

[rotund oak]

at start was stupid hard

[royal lantern]

you wold have felt it MORE before the change lol

[warm vortex]

Like i know people say that as a joke but

taht is 100% skill issue

[hasty viper]

Yeah I just did an 11 of it today. If we hadn't wiped once on a pack near the start cuz our tank disconnected it would've been timed

[crisp stream]

weirdly for me after the change xD

[warm vortex]

But yea game's also violating me loot wise

[royal lantern]

rn its using energy when you run low, and its always there for yor CD windows

before that it was only on the CD windows

[warm vortex]

4 hero pieces and only 1 can use

:)))))))))))))))

[rotund oak]

get owned

lul

[warm vortex]

Well if the change effects you badly, then you were not playing assassination right in the first place

If you use it properly, you have tea for every shiv window in m+ ST

Unless they had a massive change from S1

Because i aint touching any sort of melee class this tier X)

[severe meadow]

On the flip side, I’m like 653ilvl

[warm vortex]

Fuck you

Jk

[rotund oak]

hahaha

[severe meadow]

Nah it’s okay

[warm vortex]

I'm just horribly salty

[rotund oak]

no caps

[warm vortex]

Had only miserable experiances with mythic plus lately

[severe meadow]

Do you have priory trinket yet

[warm vortex]

Yes, on champion

[crisp stream]

its not a tea problem which i had, i had it for every window but energry strave during st in keys, thats all. Its izzz how it izzz

[severe meadow]

I got mine on the first 10 we did

[hasty viper]

Eyy, champion gang, me too

[severe meadow]

Was sick

[warm vortex]

But like

Minus a bow, which im still super happy about

EVERY other piece of hero loot replaces my last tier 4pc

Like bruh

[hasty viper]

You can get

[warm vortex]

Fair, you just gotta pool

[hasty viper]

2 cata charges this week

[severe meadow]

Our hunter got the bow from heroic and creamed when it dropped lol

[hasty viper]

With 2k+ The free cata of this week

So you could catalyst both if you care

[warm vortex]

Bro how the hell am i gonna get 2K rating

If i don#t get invited cause of my io

and idiot pugs deplete my keys

[severe meadow]

Time them all on 5-6