assassination

[drifting cloud]

but ID is only like 650 so not sure how higher liquid is gonna be

[earnest remnant]

depends on if they send mythic+ and crests

my guess would be a round 653

[subtle tundra]

probably a bit higher

[ruby quail]

Hi everyone, sorry about the dagger that I have to craft at 675, is it okay to put it in the crit/mastery or versa/mastery missive?

[soft surge]

crit mast

vers useless sub is fraud

[rotund oak]

Called it more than a month ago babe

[haughty flicker]

hm

[west crown]

what is your fire mage doing

[haughty flicker]

i dont claim him

[west crown]

what level key is that?

[haughty flicker]

only a 6 dfc

[wispy moss]

i got 2 hero needls from the raid you guys think keep and craft something else>

? (weapons)

[haughty flicker]

i padded my ass off on first boss because nobody did the charge right lmao

[ruby quail]

ty

[golden loom]

crafting mainhand is still the play imo

[slow tulip]

does sub feel better in raid than assa, whats your experience so far?

[haughty flicker]

i played sub a bit but i suck at it so went back to sin

and sin feels fine

[bright turret]

if mugzee and gallywix phase changes are hard Hp%, could be sin fights

[earnest remnant]

mugzee is

[soft surge]

sin good

[earnest remnant]

gallywix p1 is not but his p3 is

[bright turret]

heroic they are, who knows what mythic will be

[earnest remnant]

they tend to work the same way

[bright turret]

yea but you tend to have enough damage on heroic to skip stuff

like bandit you will probably go through every slot

[subtle tundra]

fucking assa on mugzee

cant help with wall adds

gragrh

its actually better to not go in the walls

and spatter off the boss

[earnest remnant]

cant hit them from outside

with cleave

[subtle tundra]

i spattered

on em

[earnest remnant]

[subtle tundra]

could be after wall breaks from uh...

soak

[earnest remnant]

yeh

it is

they have a bit of health left when you do the soak

after the soak*

[subtle tundra]

uh

i dont think so

first spatter happened at 5:31

hot mess(dmg from soak)

this is the best investigative work i can do

[earnest remnant]

its funny its only on that set and not the first

cuz they are for sure in range on the first one as well

i do get a tick of nimble on the 5:30 one as well

but nothing more

[subtle tundra]

i see boss taking spatter dps

on other ones

during boss fight i could see spatter hit

[earnest remnant]

im not inside and we placed the close af to the boss

a whopping 600k dmg

[earnest remnant]

like here it does work

but on others it just doesent

[haughty flicker]

hm

[subtle tundra]

so it does work

for spatter

[earnest remnant]

imma go look at my vod to see wtf is going on here

[haughty flicker]

i wonder what makes flurry inconsistent

flurry is around you right

is spatter around target?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[haughty flicker]

maybe its a weird los issue

with it coming from you vs from the add

[earnest remnant]

spatter = 12 yards from center of target hitbox
flurry = 8 yards around you

[subtle tundra]

that has to be it

8yards not enough if youre badly positioned

[haughty flicker]

ye could just be a range thing

[subtle tundra]

and i doubt you were trying to flurry it

[earnest remnant]

i was

[subtle tundra]

[earnest remnant]

i walked up the walls on purpose

[subtle tundra]

could it be skill issue?

check the log

[earnest remnant]

i think its a range issue

[subtle tundra]

so no class changes in 11.1.5?

[balmy condor]

they never announce class changes in those blog posts

4 more 4 more 4 more

[subtle tundra]

ok common misconception

[balmy condor]

and then I can log out

god bless

[subtle tundra]

I have 16 more -.-

[balmy condor]

ha!

splits!

kreenge!

laugh at this man!

[subtle tundra]

well it has nothing to do with splits

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

its blizzard doing cringe and possibly tuning

-> assa might be good

need to have it ready

[balmy condor]

that's so unlucky

[subtle tundra]

I still dont know how to get my spark -.-

chat am i dumb

[balmy condor]

quest from catalyst dude in dorn

[royal lantern]

get help

[subtle tundra]

yeah i have the quest

[balmy condor]

okay

solved

[subtle tundra]

?

no not solved how do i get my spark

[balmy condor]

wdym

you turn in the quest

that's how you get the spark

[severe meadow]

I think he means the fracture to turn in for the spark

[subtle tundra]

yes the fracture

the half

[severe meadow]

Pinnacle cache

[balmy condor]

the pinnacle cahces yesh

[severe meadow]

or w/e it's called

[subtle tundra]

bruh i gotta do side content to get it

[severe meadow]

World boss can drop it p sure

[subtle tundra]

[haughty flicker]

choose weekly to kill 2 world bosses and get your 75 gold from each of them

ez

[balmy condor]

or do delve

fill delve vault and get spark

[haughty flicker]

ye true

also i think i may never time a cinderbrew

or even complete one

at this rate

[subtle tundra]

probably that on main

and something else on the rest of the cringe

[severe meadow]

Skill issue

[haughty flicker]

imagine finding a pug that will stick around for an hour and a half

i'll just have to get it done with guild this weekend instead of trying to pug it

[royal lantern]

we gonnda do a +10 floodgate today for vault

[golden loom]

I havent even done a m+ that drops hero track loot yet..

+4 world tour until a +6 or +7 accepts my application

[subtle tundra]

i dont see the problem with that

[golden loom]

yeah im having fun

lowkey some of these dungeons are bangers

[severe meadow]

I don't have 3 of them even timed yet

[haughty flicker]

floodgate is cool

but it is also kind of hell

if your healer cant do third boss its just gg

[subtle tundra]

i dont like floodgate

[haughty flicker]

the nailgun mobs can fuck off too

[subtle tundra]

most mobs can fuck off

[royal lantern]

how is it possible that we are on the same realm

but never saw each other

i would have noticed somebody with the name Uwucutegirl

[golden loom]

maybe we are both in stealth at all times

[royal lantern]

[ionic fox]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[snow hamlet]

does ascendence not increase in value along with ilv?

it still 89/stack on 675 dagger

[radiant raven]

I don't think any of them go up with iLevel this expansion.

[subtle tundra]

i think whispyr said something at some point

[snow hamlet]

focus lense do

[jade abyss]

I would like to play a key with you but double rogue :D

My dream is to play a key with the true gamer varas D:

[subtle tundra]

maybe...

im a monkerman

wanking in the wind

gotta watch kung fu panda 2 sometime

[jade abyss]

I never watched a kung fu panda movie in my life x)

[subtle tundra]

L

[haughty flicker]

Actually the biggest L I could imagine

[iron ivy]

Hello! Thoughts on "Without a Trace" over "Lethality"?

[subtle tundra]

preference

if you like without a trace and feel youre using it well, play it

if you dont utilise it well, lethality

[runic hinge]

What about supercharger

[iron ivy]

Alright, thanks!

[subtle tundra]

in his question, impossible 😉

you cant get supercharger with 1 point

[iron ivy]

Also: Sudden Demise over Sanguine Blades in M+. Is that because we are more often under 50% energy?

[balmy condor]

it's cause sudden demise is really fucking good

also just like, run both idk

[subtle tundra]

buffing a talent that is already good by 50% is good apparently

[balmy condor]

yeah weird

[subtle tundra]

👽

[balmy condor]

[iron ivy]

Didn't notice it got buffed 😄 Thanks 🙂

[static glacier]

Low-key

[balmy condor]

just ran a 9 rookery and it was worth like a combined 13.5%

[static glacier]

We have to be the biggest pad class in m+ atm

[subtle tundra]

is it pad if it speeds up the key

(and slows it on bosses)

feels good on monkerman to do st though

[static glacier]

So long as it’s not pure st we’re goated

[haughty flicker]

First boss dfc in pugs than don’t do the charge right

Easiest pad of my life

Completely useless but felt great

[static glacier]

Will swap back to dtb when doing 10s

[balmy condor]

honestly haven't felt a need for dtb in 10s yet

[haughty flicker]

Honestly I might just afk on bosses forever

[static glacier]

Wondering how big the shiv to blindside node is

[runic hinge]

this dude does keys

[haughty flicker]

I don’t push keys so bleed build for weeklies seems chill

[static glacier]

Shiv is like 1.5m or so cast with the talent

[runic hinge]

He’s bragging

[balmy condor]

probably better but blindside generally feels a lot better than it actually is

[runic hinge]

Proccy animation good for dopamine

[static glacier]

Yeah, it’s sad to say but Its starting to hit home that anything outside of cds is kinda fake

And we’re energy capped in cds anyhow with tea

[slow tulip]

whispyr new hair colour for the patch, pleaseee

[balmy condor]

god bless lmao

+7's are so goated

kingsbane under fok and clear the witnesses though

that's a good one

[balmy condor]

2300 tomorrow maybe, tried a priory 10 and first boss is not doable without cauterize

[subtle tundra]

are you killing right or left miniboss

[balmy condor]

we go left

right miniboss is hell

[subtle tundra]

hmgmmm

i wouldnt know if its hard i did it on 8

[balmy condor]

the pulse aoe during boss fight doesn't seem that bad

the bleed on the tank is obliterating though

and the mini boss on the right is just insane idk

we tried it on a 7 and that mini boss legit filled the entire left side of the first area with fire and was doing insano damage

and we're like yeah okay never again

idk, priory and cinderbrew just feel a solid 3 key levels harder than the rest

very cool

[subtle tundra]

i cant give an opinion ive done less than 10 keys

[real pike]

Interesting we thought cinder was fairly easy

[runic hinge]

I’ve done zero keys but tomorrow I’ll start

[subtle tundra]

work and raid both days of the season so far

[real pike]

Did 2 weekly no leavers and weren't that far from timing

[subtle tundra]

so i had like 3 hours of time for keys

[balmy condor]

first boss and bee boss seem insane

[real pike]

We also managed to bug out the last boss so she just stared at us for the last third of the fight

[balmy condor]

last boss is the easiest pull in the whole dungeon imo

that shit just heal check

[hardy dagger]

First boss cinder is just can you coordinate defensives for the dot

[oak eagle]

Yeah that miniboss is fucking atrocious, I did it on a like +5 on Tuesday and holy shit the thing just filled the entire area and then some

[real pike]

Rookery is insanely easy

[balmy condor]

idk how we're supposed to coordinate defensives for it when it's going out faster than the defensives

[neat jacinth]

Is that bleed build or standard hybrid?

[oak eagle]

I haven't tried Cinderbrew or Floodgate yet

Any opinions chat?

[real pike]

Freeer than dawn

[balmy condor]

floodgate is fine

lot of aoe nonsense but it's manageable

[neat jacinth]

How is the Bossdmg compared to hybrid?

[balmy condor]

worse

[runic hinge]

I wish doomblade wasn’t so shit that low in the tree

[earnest remnant]

cinderbrew's trash is just wild

[balmy condor]

this was all bosses in a 10 rookery

[balmy condor]

everything in there is wild tbh

[earnest remnant]

bosses are fine imo

they dont really do a whole lot

[balmy condor]

idk maybe not enough cinderbrews run yet

but the bosses were way more problematic than the trash for us

[subtle tundra]

bruh

i do almost 2mil on monk if i dont play bad

(i play bad a lot)

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

😭

[balmy condor]

St is down bad

But I’m going like 3.5mil overall

[subtle tundra]

just fucking insane tuning

honestly

how binary can you make the spec

full aoe 0 st

actual tank st

was your tank a random?

[blazing pumice]

is sudden demise bugged for top

[balmy condor]

No but I’ve only run with him today

[balmy condor]

Yep, got that touch of death PvP thing that blizz never fixed

[subtle tundra]

i think you would've been outdps'd on st by the tank i played with

[earnest remnant]

rookery 10 bosses, gonna be fun seeing what i can do with 4set now

[subtle tundra]

😭

[blazing pumice]

yeah cool

i lost my dm too

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’s reasonable

[spice surge]

No shaman either

[earnest remnant]

bro if i had shammy buff

[balmy condor]

Bro I’ve been thinking like maybe I just run double passives

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

Been using transmitter but like why am I doing that

When I could just aoe more

[royal lantern]

hey, if its prot warrior st, thats a positive thing

[subtle tundra]

reminder we got our aoe buffed on ptr

for some reason

[royal lantern]

[royal python]

Is shadow step on gallywix fight bugged?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

its fucked yeh

[royal python]

Shadow stepped just before CB sec tec each time n landed in africa

[subtle tundra]

i said we, but its actually YOURS

[lusty narwhal]

What happens on gally?

Fall into hole?

[royal lantern]

you are always a assa rogue in our hearts varas

[royal python]

It sends you to other half of platform , then do walk of shame to boss

[jade abyss]

Is sub and sin even in m+ ?

[subtle tundra]

id say sub is better

[jade abyss]

Or there a big diffences

[balmy condor]

I tried cleave build in a top and I was doing like 20% more boss damage but my aoe just cratered

[subtle tundra]

there is a big difference. one can do single target dps

[runic hinge]

He’s always a catfish in a cowboy hat in my heart

[lusty narwhal]

Subs boss damage in m+ talents is actually extremely respectable

[subtle tundra]

idk why we still have this issue. our st in m+ build has been an issue since our rework in 10.1.7(or whatever patch it was)

[royal lantern]

REAL

@subtle tundra bring catfish pfp back

[jade abyss]

I ask bcs our setup is ret elemental and rogue and i wanna want fit well in this setup

[subtle tundra]

monk arc buddy

[subtle tundra]

you already have aoe blasters

ret and ele

assa wont fit

[balmy condor]

Heh

Ret ele assa

[subtle tundra]

speed run trash %

afk bosses

[balmy condor]

Pull half the dungeon with lust

Then 15 min boss

[golden loom]

just have the AOE blasters 1 shot everything down to 35% and all the mobs just die to sudden demise

[opal plume]

so whats the go to m+ build atm ?

[jade abyss]

Aight

[balmy condor]

Atm bleed

[opal plume]

so just the wowhead bleed ? i saw urs without bone spike ?

[hardy dagger]

Assa in floodgate/cinderbrew and priory cranks

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s alternate

Guide explains it

[slow tulip]

you think they'll buff ST dps at some point or we tank dps now ? :/

[subtle tundra]

dont think we get any targeted m+ st build buffs

maybe some raid buffs which end up buffing m+

imagine they just fucking slap a flat % buff lol

[slow tulip]

id love some raid st

[subtle tundra]

idk i wasnt doing that bad on rogue

on splits

and i have no gear

i know, not a lot of data etc etc

i doubt assa is in the visor for buffs currently, gotta see how dmg evolves when everyone gets 4pc

[balmy condor]

Rogue in raid is pretty good

[subtle tundra]

so atleast 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

Especially execute on assa kinda fucks ngl

[opal plume]

in your guide you say bleed build is for low end content

and that hybrid is still best

[hexed canopy]

did anyone of you guys do the circlet ring trick to get free upgrades?

[golden loom]

Whats the circlet trick

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

Yes

[opal plume]

so its better for m+ ?

[hexed canopy]

so its still working?

[opal plume]

or just for 10s

[balmy condor]

Idk I did it this morning

[hexed canopy]

kk^^

[blazing pumice]

EXPLAIN TRICK

[jade abyss]

How it works?

[subtle tundra]

blizz said its just an oversight, and too many people did it already

[balmy condor]

All the builds are viable it’s just bleed is more overall less st

[subtle tundra]

and its fine to do it

🙂

[slow tulip]

tldr on how to do it ? ❤️

[balmy condor]

Jesus fucking Christ

It’s like rats

[golden loom]

me want to exploit!!!

[balmy condor]

It’s just the recraft trick but with circlet

You equip circlet both slots, delete it

Get it back

Equip both slots

Crests free gg

[hexed canopy]

!Take out the Citrines FIRST! had some people deleted their Gems

just to be safe^^

[balmy condor]

I mean who gives a shit lmao

The gems are free from the vendor

[hexed canopy]

true

[balmy condor]

You can just rebuy them for dirt

[subtle tundra]

meow?

meow...

MEOWMEOWMEOW

[blazing pumice]

so there's an npc that restores?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[opal plume]

so not worth the work

[balmy condor]

I mean it saves you crests from 655 to 658 I suppose

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-po-dance-gif-3236682634584302128

[slow tulip]

does this tech also work with the dagger just like in s1?

[subtle tundra]

means you can farm your ring on +6 instead of +10

[balmy condor]

No

Yeh

Your one singular ring

[spice surge]

No

[balmy condor]

Meanwhile I will be in priory jail

[slow tulip]

😦

[subtle tundra]

atleast you have a trinket from dungeon

im stuck with transmitter

🔫

[golden loom]

was nice for this atleast 🙂 tyty

[balmy condor]

L

[rocky zodiac]

At least you have Transmitter 😄

[subtle tundra]

i'd expect so

[final star]

I need house of cards so bad

I'm so fucking done with this transmitter shit

[subtle tundra]

i just cant be arsed to not be able to see the fucking things

or spawn them in some mechanic

[static glacier]

I’m taking a 13 ilvl drop to use skardyns

Fuck transmitter on bosses I don’t know

[soft surge]

go farm the priory

[pliant remnant]

I told guild my Transmitter was better than the normal HoC that dropped for us but post-nerfs it's better and I told them a couple minutes late and I'm still playing Transmitter and I hate myself

[final star]

I have skardyn's but I am not going to play it on sub

[pliant remnant]

Had Transmitter orb already go into a wall on Rik Reverb too

[final star]

yeah had that one

[subtle tundra]

im also 1.5min and i have no alternative

[final star]

there is no alternative

if you don't get house of cards

big middle fingie

[subtle tundra]

[static glacier]

Gg bro doomed himself

Just go sin fk it

[red schooner]

I got it. On normal mode. I'm never getting this shit again. Fuck.

[final star]

vault is ur friend

[red schooner]

We pray for vault

[subtle tundra]

well upgrades made normal drops not so bad

[final star]

if I get hc house of card either this week or from vault

I think I'll jizz in my pants on the spot

it would be the literal end of an abusive relationship

with a trinket

[red schooner]

Ye still happy to have it but also, ye I ain't getting given a second one from raid drops

[subtle tundra]

hc is still a bit higher ilvl, but those require gilded crests which you can also spend on other slots so its not like they gain a lot over you

if i had a normal house i wouldnt take hc from vault

x d

[red schooner]

Need to save my gilded for a 1h weapon anyhow which I think is a smart plan?

[subtle tundra]

well yeah you have to

fucking monk 1hand is bad so i cant craft weapon

[red schooner]

Ye there'll be better upgrades, I'm just going to have a champion slot trinket til god knows how long

[tawny geyser]

Why not?
Its gonna be some time until you’re able to get your hands on Mythic one, so might as well take it. Unless you have Normal one and eye of kezan drops, then its another story.

[subtle tundra]

depends on the rest of your vault

[grand trail]

You mean get it back from vendor?

[opal plume]

sudden demise better than ttk ?

atm ?

[jade abyss]

We always pray for it

[static glacier]

How hard is mythic rik reverb?

[opal plume]

and should we go for mastery for windsinger buff ?

we play windsinger righto +

?

[grim jay]

I have heroic priory

and I thought about it for a minute

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Always has been tbh

[hearty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/oliver-twist-gif-26543489

[grand trail]

Thanks will save two upgrades;D

[hearty reef]

Another 4% when?

[opal plume]

rly ? and what about the windsinger buff should we go for mastery there or for crit as highest stat

[turbid crest]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn condor]

I guess thats a weekly thing now

[dawn pollen]

So 2+2 set is best? or do you change at some point like with hc or mythic items ?

[subtle tundra]

you go 4pc asap unless they are very low ilvl

[royal lantern]

sim

[subtle tundra]

i believe

[subtle tundra]

but this bad boy is right

[royal lantern]

[dawn pollen]

just saw acording to the spreadsheet linked

[subtle tundra]

i think those are comparing same ilvl gear

so not very indicative

in real world

[royal lantern]

proba like

2p asap, 4p with heroic stuff

gut feeling

idk

sim it

[dawn pollen]

Ah same ilvl okay that would be nice if that was stated xD

ill sim it

[subtle tundra]

maybe

[midnight harbor]

is 2x 2 set any good for assa?

[opal plume]

ye

[midnight harbor]

okay thanks!

[solar wyvern]

2pc 2pc does some big dam early in the season xd

[subtle tundra]

pretty sure new 4pc is really good in aoe

[neat jacinth]

What can you change talent wise from the normal hybrid build to get a little bit more boss dam?

[golden loom]

I think theres a pretty nifty talent choice called Subtlety if u want big boss dam

[solar wyvern]

I wouldn't know, since i havent had pants or tokens drop in m+ or splits yet

-_-

[radiant raven]

That healie monk has a great name

[jade abyss]

Blaster

[soft surge]

big dam

show talents

[wicked valve]

Did our first raid last night an I was pleasently surprised by sin damage. I know its probably all early patch scaling, but I felt good!

[amber stream]

can Mechano-Core Amplifier drop from any delve?

[nova aspen]

yes

only the delver bounty can come from bountiful delves though

so that is your only shot at a hero track one, is to farm the 4 bountiful's every day

[dawn condor]

I found a delver bounty in a random lvl 6 delve. So it seems then can drop anywhere

And that wasnt bountiful

[brazen sluice]

wdym new? did we get 4pc changed? or same

[subtle tundra]

old -> s1
new -> s2

[wicked valve]

whats the most effecient lvl to farm bountiful delves?

[nova aspen]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[nova aspen]

^

[subtle tundra]

8

[wicked valve]

ty

[brazen sluice]

aha

[brazen sluice]

whats the point of delves? is there any bis?

[storm summit]

Any sin playing sub as well? Am thinking which to main in S2. More for high m+ and raids . Any advice much appreciated

[brazen sluice]

im playing both atm

got my 2pc

so sin for now

[cloud basin]

How bout those "new" weapon enchants lol

[brazen sluice]

benfits more from 2cp

pc*

[blazing tulip]

!wa

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[wicked valve]

IIRC, our BIS trinket comes from delves. Mechano-core amplifier

[brazen sluice]

ooh rly didint know that , ty for the info

[grim jay]

farming delves is so fun

[timber meadow]

bruh is suddend emise just cursed in theater pvp b oss lol?

glitched that shit twice in a row

[hollow talon]

bleed build pretty fun in priority

CT go brrr

[brazen sluice]

whats the best raid emblishment if im playing sub + assa?

[golden loom]

guess you cant shroud skip past the 2 final packs but atleast it made for some extra aoe

[wicked valve]

So dagger worth the early craft with first fortune?

[dapper cradle]

Ye

[wicked valve]

^^ the dagger stats are random, or do we use specefic missives? Having trouble finding that von wowhead

[timber meadow]

anyone else getting bugged on pvp boss in theater and just not getting sent back up and/or other person getting killed by sudden demise proc'ing after submission?

[wicked valve]

Happened to me twice last one I was in.

[timber meadow]

bruh yeah

[brazen sluice]

did they fix the dagger crafting trick?

[vapid terrace]

I killed my arena partner twice, completed a 4 in time, ran someone's 5, also killed them so now I just sit down and lose

[hollow talon]

whats the command for the m+ ilvl chart

[nova aspen]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hollow talon]

ty inshallah

[primal rock]

hey guys, i see this server is more like pve specialized, is there any pvp servers? i wanna find some info on pvp gearing

[hollow talon]

whys no one signing up for my +8 rookery seems like loot is good here no

[peak bobcat]

#pvp

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor is there any way to guareentie that sudden demise wont kill the person after submitting//not playing sudden demise in theater, other than just having everybody kill you?

on theater pvp boss

[static glacier]

If they immune themselves to clear bleeds and you kill with envenom

Realistically you just take the L

[nova aspen]

this is what i do:

[timber meadow]

aight cool, didn't even know ahead of time that sudden demise would kill them

or rather i hadn't really considered it lol

[static glacier]

You’d have to pray you don’t apply poisons

Ngl dude

This Strat isn’t worth the immune use alone

Let alone cancelling and reapplying poisons

[royal lantern]

yoooooooo

[subtle kiln]

Yo

[ivory latch]

This explains a lot about my theater of pain run. I Killed the hunter and then was stuck in the PvP area 🤣.

[fallow canopy]

Grats

[warm vortex]

Fucking dumblegnome

Also outdpsed by a BM smh

[nova aspen]

but bm op

2 button big dam

ranged and no casting move and 100% uptime

[golden loom]

gotta say, the orbs on king mechagon is 100000x more fun to play vs the city of threads final boss

like seeing where the orbs are gonna move makes it so much more enjoyable holy

[tough trail]

has anyone started crafting yet? if so what are u going for

[royal lantern]

dagger ofc

what else

[nova aspen]

made my 675 dagger last night

NOT THE INTELLECT ONE

[heady pine]

did you put an embellish on it and if so which one?

[short bridge]

Going back to sin.. I am ass at sub

[nova aspen]

ascendancy, with the free hero boot craft for patch

[nova aspen]

i had almost 4m overall in priory dude

sin big pumping

but the other 2 dps let me xd

[short bridge]

Go look at our logs. One armed bandit is embarrassing

[nova aspen]

ive been watching lol

u had a nice sprocket parse tho

[short bridge]

Yea cuz it’s st and not a lot of movement

[nova aspen]

oh really i thought it was a lot of movement

[short bridge]

U gotta show me up so I can switch to sin lol

[nova aspen]

i mean they arent doing that bad last i checked

first boss will be weird u just gotta open with a KB first

save dm

[short bridge]

Yea true. Don’t know why I hard swapped to sub

[nova aspen]

still in the top 5 performing

[short bridge]

Close enough

[nova aspen]

thats also going to improve as more sin's kill the last 3

with giga execute lust

i predict

[short bridge]

Yea we go back Monday for mug’zee. I’ll test out sin there

[nova aspen]

oh shit 4 days a week

overtime police

[storm hedge]

What's a good ToP talent build? I feel like just running with the raid cleave build cause there's almost no big packs and ST is valuable there. What are you guys running ?

[nova aspen]

🚓

[short bridge]

Khaos wildin lol

[nova aspen]

i just hope we get bandit heroic

for a chance at house of cards in the vault

[short bridge]

Bro it’s chaotic

Yea our monk got the hero version and I got the normal ones lol he pumps tho

[nova aspen]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZGmBAAAAAAY2MmtZAAAAAAottZmBzMGzMzysMmZwMzMzgZmZzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA

that one

[nova aspen]

yea forgiven is pumping

[nova aspen]

u could also drop SD for IW if u think u need it on last boss

aoe silence the deathbolts

but idk

[severe meadow]

Our monk got Jastor and Kezan, he shreds on meters

[nova aspen]

i mean run out and switch at the end for IW*

[soft surge]

what is blud doing there

(kingsbane)

[smoky canopy]

has anyone had any experience with stats currently? st sims somehow expected with new gear changes 6.5k crit seems low, yet sim suggest going vers mastery with gems, it feels unexpected 😮

[haughty flicker]

so apparently the last boss of cinderbrew can just bug out and stop doing anything lmao

she just stood there and autoed the tank the whole fight once all the barrels broke

didnt phase or anything

also dungeon journal typo wtf blizzard

[tawdry root]

Yeah happened to me too

[teal forge]

Hey guys, when should I replace my tier set from last season?

[subtle tundra]

paid game btw

[golden loom]

free hero boot craft?

[twilit flint]

whats the delve trinket were trying to get?

[nova aspen]

kill gallywix with the campaign quest

[golden loom]

but do u not need a spark to craft anything with it still

[nova aspen]

u do

so its kinda free

[golden loom]

but if u crafted dagger

[nova aspen]

free crests at least

[golden loom]

how do u have sparks for both, im confused

[haughty flicker]

you dont

[nova aspen]

i dont, im just saying thats what i plan on doing

[golden loom]

ah gotcha

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[nova aspen]

like the wowhead guide recommends

[haughty flicker]

use the free runed crest on a low value slot and throw embellishment on it

in a couple weeks

[blissful spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[willow cloud]

anyone know how i'd write a WA to tell me to toggle the Mister Lock-N-Stock trinket if its on ST and there are multiple mobs or its on AOE on a boss? a simple target counter condition would be fine

[sturdy wasp]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden loom]

so we get a tiertoken at 2k m+ score right?

[haughty flicker]

you get a cata charge

no token anymore

[golden loom]

ah ye

[subtle tundra]

whisypr... on monk... 1.5 min class

[haughty flicker]

feelsbadman

[nova aspen]

[subtle tundra]

actually garbage

[nova aspen]

blizz is good at slapping ppl with alts in the face like that

[subtle tundra]

alts?

thats my main

[nova aspen]

but u have a rogue alt that wants it

so its a slap in the face

[subtle tundra]

well im not gearing him yet

so its whateva

[nova aspen]

yea but deep down

rouge is the main

😏

[subtle tundra]

it is...

[sturdy mesa]

Proceeds to spell Rogue wrong

[nova aspen]

i know how to spell rogue

[haughty flicker]

speaking of signet

[nova aspen]

its a meme in another discord to spell it incorrectly

[haughty flicker]

big leech

[nova aspen]

because rouge is a makeup

[subtle tundra]

pogger

[subtle tundra]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hexed frost]

Ran rookery 2-3 times already and apparently no one knows strats on the last boss

Amazing

[split veldt]

Yo like, shadowstep is a trap this tier, like every dungeon and raid boss lmao, especially gallywix

[bright turret]

i too have shadowstepped to gallywix while he was piloting the mech and held W into the hole

[split veldt]

I didn’t even need to hit W

I got ported right into the side

And dropped to my death lol

https://x.com/allyparser/status/1897922655678087389?t=dzZItPQZMDfY-JCXRR9iqA&s=33

ally (@allyparser) on X

hi! rogue here, can we fix this? thank you! @WarcraftDevs

X · Mar 7, 2025, 8:09 AM

Like this guy

[bright turret]

ok that's a good one, i assumed it just always took you to the center hole

[split veldt]

It did the next two times I tried, but the first was straight death

lol

[balmy condor]

They swapped the positions on accident

P1 gallywix steps you to where P2 should be, P2 steps you to where P1 should be

[split veldt]

[soft surge]

who does medium lengh 10~ min type dungeon tutorials that isnt quazi

[strange python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1347188346912243774/ShadowKEK.gif

My gif!

[onyx linden]

Does anyone else's 4 piece sim worse than 2/2?

[balmy condor]

everyones yes

[onyx linden]

Oh. Is the sim off or did I miss something about 4 piece being bad?

[burnt shard]

sorry did somebody said?

[balmy condor]

the 4 piece is fine, the old 2 piece is better

2+2 is a lot of bonus envenom damage

and we are envenom: the spec

[onyx linden]

I mean, kinda seems like its bad if 20 ilvls up and its still worse

Or I guess the old one is just too strong with 35% of our dmg envenom

Guess I don't have to worry about getting 4 piece

[split veldt]

im sure myth track 4pc will be worth it for the extra stats?

[balmy condor]

myth track will be worth yeah

[dapper cradle]

AWOOOOOOOGA

honk honk mommy milky

[peak bobcat]

dead spec

[unique summit]

Hey, is recraft weapon abuse works(free crest upgrage)?

[broken sandal]

is there a sim sheet, forgot the command to view sim differences between builds for M+

[dapper cradle]

reported

[unique summit]

reason?

[dapper cradle]

i'm just memeing lol

that exploit got fixed

the only one that works rn is the ring one

[runic hinge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[golden loom]

bro swampface is crazy

[haughty flicker]

swampface fucks for sure

[thin gyro]

I have a sim question. Is raidbots just wrong for this trinket? For a while my old Skardyn's Grace always sims a lot better than trickets I think should be compeitive or better but now I have a 1-1 and im like wtf. Here I just got one of our best a-tier trickets, the Signet of the Priory and it says using it over the old Skardyn's Grace will be -22k. But since my top stat is mastery by a long shot, the new tricket should aways result in more of the exact same stats the Skardyn's Grace does. What's going on? Or what am I missing?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pfY5PQ4pkn3t93FPmp3RWp

[balmy condor]

it's getting fixed soon, casting slightly incorrectly atm

[thin gyro]

ahhh that explains it.

Meaning it's broken in game or in the sim?

[hexed frost]

What M+ talent builds are everyone running for pushing keys? Pure bleed or the old envenom:the game build?

[balmy condor]

sim

[thin gyro]

Alright - so equipe it. Thanks - dig the youtube vids btw whispyr, I watch every single one.

[balmy condor]

not to get too into the weeds but there's a check in the backend for on-use stat trinkets to auto-handle them

and that kinda broke for signet for some reason

so I need to emergency push a fix to handle signet on its own

[spice surge]

Ye and it was flip flopped like twice for transmitter in early s1 too

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice surge]

That check kinda sketchy but it makes everything so much cleaner

[balmy condor]

very stinky

it's not too bad to fix but I just need to know that it's broken so I can add it to the list

[humble verge]

finally some loot

[balmy condor]

big

[golden loom]

+7 priory new overall record pog

priest got trinket though so shit game!

[runic hinge]

Bleed build?

[golden loom]

yeah

[haughty flicker]

farming overall with bleed build is my new favorite minigame

[golden loom]

went blindside over shiv thing tho, not a fan

[runic hinge]

blindside is good for dopamine but technically sims less

[golden loom]

like ur not even playing improved ambush so that feels kinda bad

[haughty flicker]

it feels good when it procs

and thats all that matters

[golden loom]

this damage breakdown looks kinda interesting tho

also blood dk did some crazy damage on some pulls

[haughty flicker]

yeah sanlayn can just randomly do insane damage lmao

if their blood buddy guy procs on a big pull

[rain berry]

bonus 2 tier is high priority right?

[grim jay]

got it on my first priory

hero aswell

wait nvm

second priory

[dapper halo]

i always read caustic spatter as autistic spatter

also wtb single target spec that has crimson tempest in it

[peak bobcat]

no you dont

[balmy condor]

elaborate

[brazen sluice]

finally but dead for assa i think? ill sim it

[eternal ravine]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dapper halo]

elaborate what :3 ?

[balmy condor]

whatchu mean by that

[dapper halo]

i dunno i just read it like that

[balmy condor]

mhm...

[brazen sluice]

my assa dslice sim showed s1 tier set is simming lower than current by like 6% but my problem is that its saying this sim may be lower or higher dps . how do i know which?

[balmy condor]

that means its worse

[brazen sluice]

kk ty

[oblique iron]

Does the bleed build for mythic+ not run KB?

[balmy condor]

it can, but it also can take it

[oblique iron]

Which one is better? I’ve been playing the hybrid but I keep hearing bleed is really good for aoe?

[balmy condor]

bleed more aoe less single target

hybrid more single target less aoe

[dapper halo]

i so wish rollthebones would go away from combat, it ruins it entirely, now im stuck with assa

[brazen sluice]

also in bleed do u always cast shiv before or after ct ? and save it when DM is rdy?

[runic hinge]

why does it ruin it

[balmy condor]

after of course

you want to buff your CT

[hearty reef]

so...

this is basically affli lock

of classic

[balmy condor]

sure whatever that means

[hasty viper]

Is it still worth it to use the bleed build in +7's and above since Tyrannical kicks in?

[balmy condor]

yes

[brazen sluice]

and the rotation for bleed build is spread ur bleeds , DM main target and send ur envenoms and shiv last 6 secs of DM

• vanish

[balmy condor]

yes, that is the spec

[brazen sluice]

❤️

[dapper halo]

spec without kingsbane o.O

does that work

[balmy condor]

I might lose it ngl

does no one open guides

[runic hinge]

No

I only ask in discord

never read

[hearty reef]

yeah i ping the purple name

for unsolicited info

[dapper halo]

i do, but i just stared at the m+ portion

[golden loom]

Theres something so satisfying with slamming new CT + shiv when things are like 40% hp

[runic hinge]

bleed build is something new never before seen tech i haven't played for the past 3 seasons

[hearty reef]

(we played it at first week of expac)

[runic hinge]

I played it every season xd

[dapper halo]

i really gotta try out a kingsbaneless build, less buttons is always good

two or three button spec would be heaven ;3

[runic hinge]

ret is right there

[dapper halo]

i know

[hasty viper]

Dev also has a small amount of rotational buttons I think

(Might be wrong)

[dapper halo]

ive played my rouge since 2005, i cant switch anymore

yes, 2005, im an old fart

[runic hinge]

I played feral from 2005-DF you ccan always swap

[golden loom]

Well if you played dagger rogue then you are used to a 2 button spec

If you played swords you had 3 buttons! Pog

[dapper halo]

i remember when combat had rupture

[brazen sluice]

its been since s1 and it was called '' the chineese build ''

[balmy condor]

yeah

[dapper halo]

and i still belligerently call outlaw as combat

[brazen sluice]

but every1 thought its a troll xD

[balmy condor]

it was "the chinese build"

definitely

100%

good one

[golden loom]

Season 1 of which expac

[brazen sluice]

lool

[peak bobcat]

calling outlaw combat has to mean you are at least 35 years old

[brazen sluice]

tww

[dapper halo]

im 40

[balmy condor]

I've been maintaining a fucking bleed build in my guides since the start of dragonflight

[golden loom]

Im 26 🙂

[hasty viper]

Well, knowing and knowing when to use it is a different thing, so far using cleave build I usually keep up with my M+ teammates in boss damage (Which might be a bad thing for them?) and usually bosses take a long ass time so I'm kind of scared to switch and try it out

[balmy condor]

we all seem to have forgotten

that we have

fucking talents

that can change

[balmy condor]

CLEAVE?

yeah that's an absolute waste of time

[hasty viper]

Whoop

Not cleave

The hybrid

My mistake

[balmy condor]

hybrid is fine

yeah

[buoyant herald]

false. we have a set in stone series of talents that you need a 3rd party resource to tell you the correct thing to do

[dapper halo]

and i still keep occasionally trying to refresh my SnD

[balmy condor]

but you don't lose that much single target

[dapper halo]

its baked into my motorics

[hasty viper]

Really? Then I'll try it, I was under the impression it was a huge ST loss, that's what I get for just assuming

[balmy condor]

you either do garbage single target with hybrid or dogshit singlet target with bleed

[runic hinge]

I remember sending in game mail to Lanille running the AP+IC build in s1 and asking about it

[hasty viper]

Then why the fuck am I doing the same damage on bosses as my Shamans, mages and all the other bullshit classes which are not rogues

[golden loom]

Honestly with current affix single target even has a fun little minigame

[hasty viper]

I guess they just suck

[balmy condor]

skill issue idk

[hasty viper]

And I'm good

[balmy condor]

stealthi on sub is doing like

twice my boss damage

changing talents isn't fixing that

[buoyant herald]

sub boss damage go crazy

[hasty viper]

There seems to be a lot of bosses that also have damage amp phases so that's also good for Sub (I mean Sin too but not as much I think)

[buoyant herald]

like last boss of rookery

[brazen sluice]

yeh im as a sub with 4set i open like 4mil and finish a 2min fight 1.8m-2.5m

[buoyant herald]

zero-piece gamer here 😮‍💨

[balmy condor]

yeah highest I've had last boss rookery was 1.75ish with bleedKB

it was like

fine-ish

idk, bleed and hybrid are both fine

I assume the sweaty push nerds will go back to hybrid eventually

but bleed dam overall is really good

[golden loom]

The trick is, when you are in single target, just imagine you are still in season 1 when you look at details and you are popping off

[hasty viper]

Why be fine when you can swap to sub and be best

[buoyant herald]

just hide details

[worn badger]

what do you feel would be the "best" tuning we could get at this point ?

[hasty viper]

Great idea, gonna steal that

[balmy condor]

the best tuning we could get is no tuning tbh

we're happy if we escape nerfs

[buoyant herald]

this is a bit of an odd take perhaps but how often does a spec that sims so low perform so well in raid?

[worn badger]

#confused oldman face

[balmy condor]

very

[golden loom]

Well raid fights arent just a 5 min target dummy most of the time

[balmy condor]

comparing sims cross-class doesn't even begin to make sense

and even then, patchwerk is not a raid fight

it's just silly all around

but people just love their bar graphs

[fallow canopy]

the real question is if crab build is finally viable

(spoiler alert it isnt)

[primal burrow]

Range sims a less acurate than melees because it's harder for them not to move or do mechanics prio

[balmy condor]

I mean sims also depend on who's making them

I'm pretty cutthroat about not adding stupid 0.1% increases or stuff that's just inhuman

other class tc's have different rules

[timber meadow]

is there anyway were even supposed to play around the tierset or just ignore it and do more dam?

[balmy condor]

some are just number go up = better

[balmy condor]

ignore

[golden loom]

So you are telling me prot warriors arent slamming execute perma

[haughty flicker]

they are if they're gigachad

[hasty viper]

As if the warriors know any buttons they are pressing

[haughty flicker]

healer just fucking heal

i need to do damage

[primal burrow]

It's often that we can escape things easier and especially as rogue when we can feint and breath amongst some dangers

Range can panick with shit happening

[dapper halo]

is fatebound i mean rngbound still clearly The weaker spec by a country mile?

[haughty flicker]

each rogue spec only has one hero talent

[balmy condor]

yes but even more than it was last season

[haughty flicker]

ours is deathstalker

[balmy condor]

so it's like

maybe 1.5 country miles

a nautical mile

I think a nautical mile is longer

[dapper halo]

thats a big oof

[balmy condor]

imagine that it's longer for the sake of the bit

[dapper halo]

nautical miles are longer yes

[gusty mirage]

You are correct

[balmy condor]

W knowledge

[dapper halo]

shame, i kinda liked rngbound, ohwell

imma give that kingsbaneless bleed build a go, hope im abit more useful in boss encounters with little to no ads

[timber meadow]

is it actually worth crafting a wep this week

[balmy condor]

ofc

what else would you craft

[timber meadow]

i didn't check mythic bosses for wep drops

i mean if you're gonna just get one off like a first boss just craft low ilevel pieces

[balmy condor]

that sounds like an absolute waste of gildeds

[timber meadow]

so does crafting a wep you replace this week

[balmy condor]

but you don't replace it?

[haughty flicker]

you have 2 hands

[balmy condor]

crafted weapon is bis all season

what

[timber meadow]

cool, sounds good

[dapper halo]

always craft weapon first

[timber meadow]

ye my assumption was that crafted dagger would get replaced by mythic but since that's not the case def seems worth

which is a dumb assumption now that i actually think about it lmao my brain is moosh right now

[dapper halo]

its ok, me too

[hearty reef]

when the tempest

is crimson

[haughty flicker]

temba

his arms wide

[brazen sluice]

in bleed build and if 8+ targets do we want to bleed everything? or just the usualy 5 for scent of blood?

[earnest flume]

Stupid question incoming.
But any relevant rotation mixups for running bleed build? Move the non dm shivs to CT instead of KB or do one and one?

[brazen sluice]

according to whyspir i think u shiv after ct outside of DM ofc if i understood right

[rocky parrot]

Anyone know why indiscriminate carnage lasts 6s or 12s? Trying to find the talent that changes it. Accidentally did a key in my pvp talents and thought IC just had a pvp modifier but it was lasting 12s with my pvp build still?

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge

[rocky parrot]

big brain

thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

Same rules, 5 ruptures, infinite garrotes

[royal lantern]

how many is infinite

[balmy condor]

An uncountable amount

[royal lantern]

so more then 3?

[bright turret]

Crafted weapon is BIS over a mythic's +3 ilvls and an embellish elsewhere? Around how much?

[royal lantern]

you have 2 weapon slots mate

lol

[cloud basin]

So mechano core amp, essentially just farm tier 8 delves?

[bright turret]

yea but not infinite sparks which is why I'm curious since I have easy access to mythic weps

[royal lantern]

ok, do you have them?

[balmy condor]

always has been yes, just like in season 1 when it was around 1% better in offhand compared to any mythic dagger

[bright turret]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I was leaning towards crafting but had people tell me to wait until vault first. Makes the decision easy

[hearty seal]

is the cleave build still decent for M+? not looking to push very high, just wondering if it's a massive loss or not

[balmy condor]

cleave is pretty bad AoE but the boss damage is almost acceptable

not having scent of blood or sudden demise just hurts real bad on trash

[haughty flicker]

bleed makes me look better on overall

[upper wraith]

Just save all your CDs for boss and look less bad. If you go into a boss without anything ya look silly

[worldly bridge]

i dont get all the hype around sub over sin this season. I mean it feels a lot more punishing and stressfull while still simming lower // equal to sin for me

[gusty mirage]

Big burst mostly

Big number make dopamine go up

[balmy condor]

its still shit

[worldly bridge]

Is it gear issue ? i'm still heavily crit/mast oriented

[gusty mirage]

It’s definitely more punishing, and the variable cdr is actually ass

[upper wraith]

Polished shit

[worldly bridge]

Also im talking about raid. Didnt try M+ yet

[balmy condor]

hype over sub is just burst like oxi said and being on a 90 second timer instead of a 120 second timer

but realistically assa is just as good

[worldly bridge]

i get that the bursty playstyle is coming handy for the bomb-spawning boss. Didnt get to try the hardest ones on heroic / mythic

[balmy condor]

we killed mug'zee last night

and bandit/mug'zee execute phases

are actually so important

and assa specifically cranks the shit out of those

[buoyant herald]

they do seem pretty close but assass feels much less hectic

we're on bandit --> monday so might do a cheeky recraft and try assass out

[worldly bridge]

idk what to play lol. I kinda like the sub gameplay but sin is so chill and satisfying especially early in the season while still learning mecanics and stuff

[buoyant herald]

game's also been giving me crit/mastery gear out the wazoo so

[buoyant herald]

literally play both

get kinky and even spec outlaw here and there

[worldly bridge]

aww

adventurous fella

[buoyant herald]

played outlaw all s1

now it's time to stab

[worldly bridge]

I still need to decide if im enchanting vers mast or crit mast tho

[buoyant herald]

[secondary stats don't matter as much as you think]

[worldly bridge]

yeah i always overthink stuff

[buoyant herald]

as long as its got mastery you're good

the other reason to play assass

is that if you're sub