#assassination
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Which delve would be fastest to ramp to +8 for loot?
Well for some reason
my raid decided to actually aoe
on heroic vexie
compared to norm
Stix feels kind of nice.
lol
if im doing the bleed double shiv m+ build, do i just shiv after all my posions are up

Rik is a bit awkward since you cant phase to intermission with a DN proc
else you'll lose it in the afk time
after CT in single target

same in aoe?
yeah
!fuu
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wait
when do you do that?
just keep the dot up always?
yeah
If no amplifying
so like, rupture->CT->envenom only when CT is up
So for bleed build
correct
I thought I was learning somewhat, then this dropped in chat. Now I'm feeling more clueless xd wait for me I have smooth brain
I genuinely think as we get gear bleed build will slip as it did last tier until the end when people started memeing. But whatever maintaining a dot is fine 
Also more demand for st (lmao) etc etc
Is one armed not a CT fight
no
Ah ok, do ads die too fast
might not even be a caustic fight
probably is a caustic fight
but CT seems really cursed
Ah kk
depends on how often you have adds up I guess
ill just spatter
but there's coin rotations where you don't see aoe for like a minute and a half lmao

no pinks but no bad logs either
i am eu

yeah that's crazy
don't accuse me of being NA
what's coup de grace
Is this John EU Jr?
kevin spacey trinket
True
now i feel like watching house of cards
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
I was so lost on mugzee, think I pressed like 1 button during one cd window 
Why do I pronounce this wrong in my head every time
whispy is still alive
Propaganda? How about I take a propaganda at them keys
How about you take a propaganda at my balls
mugzee was weird, i did almost intentionally die :)
like 3 times
Raid tn sorry king
Brother you can bring your PC
To the dumpster
There’s an outlet
thats why you never do mechanics
Honestly real
is it me or is caustic spatter not that strong without tier set (not got season 1 tier set)
Caustic spatter is not reliant on tier. No
hmm crimson tempest is usualy my highest damaging abilitiy so makes me feel i do something wrong maybe in m+ aoe
I shadowstepped the boss like 4 times getting surprised I ended up in the middle every time 
that's pretty normal
thats so fkin troll
I literally just did that also shadowstepped gallywix and i got randomly ported over the lava xD
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For short lived raid adds that need to die do we ever cast bleeds on them or just send envenoms?
anyone know how to turn on amplifer health bar at rik reverb with Whips plater profile?
9s is the rule for rupture
like my first step I thought I somehow mouseoverd some caster, so I just insta sent the other step
super short lived adds die to spatter or an env tbh
Thank you, yeah splatter usually does a lot but sometimes they are split off. 9s is good to know
we break 4p S1 for 2p2p right?
yes
Thank you !
btw is there a prefered delve to run to start getting to +7s?
I did dread pit like 7 times today
anything good?
nah
nah cant get myth track from delves
only heroic track from vault/ the map thingy you can get once per week
I just searched this channel to see if ppl had posted about this bug yet
if you're sin you must lose the duel 😄
any crazy loot we can see that we can get from delve?
listed in guides
then take iron wire
Iron wire goodge
Rik Reverb Caustic on HC?
yes sir right away
probably not
Yeah
Haven't seen literally any teaser or patch note in many months
so we just stay in combat at the end of motherlode
like cant even stealth before boss
CT on gallywix or nah
why are you so hell bent on playing CT on everything
I'm just curious whispy

:(
ct enjoyer
I'm using your raid builds, and just seeing there are a lotta ads
cock torture?
possibly
is there a link to try this bleed build?
@spice spire thought you should see this
i know you'd appreciate it
it’s a real freak off in here today
i wonder when whispyr will release the sub guide
sometimes it be like that
i always check the Resources before I come in here to ask a question
I'm just blind asf lol
Its towards the bottom of the talent page
welp i made this mistake of trying to swap characters while the servers are dying
so i guess now instead of playing the game i watch race to world second
yeah I usually never click that button if I'm gonna be honest I just look at the first like 5 buttons at the top and blood if its there lol
kinda forgot it exists
??????
had the same when I did normal raid on my warrior
someone asked for summon to first boss
they were in the hotel

what do you think king
is this how QA got to Gallywix?
I think you should seek help bestie
I got a hero dagger from a key, thoughts on crafting a 675 still? or should I do another slot
don't see why you would craft another slot
I guess if going from 639 - 675 in another slot is better than 658 - 675 in mh
it just feelsbadman crafting when I got a hero drop ahah
2pc and 2 658 daggers before raid, feels good
Is there a reason to run delves if its not bountiful/dont have a key? Im trying to catch up in ilvl to start on m+ but ive run 4x tier 8s with no drops
yo we cant shadowstep on gally lol
delves are pointless unless bountiful yes
You can shadowstep a friendly
maybe a chance at the delvers bounty map
u can guarantee the map anyways and u can only get 1 per week
I got a map on my first run but havnt used it, im assuming i just run a +8 and pop it?
2k undercoins isnt as easy to get as the wowhead post wouldve led you to believe
did 4 bountifuls today got 1670 undercoin, and theres an item for 2000 undercoin that spawns the fella that gives u a map when you kill him
any plus 8 yeah
i got the cipher key quest item my first delve
so just need to do 1-2 bountiful delves tomorrow and I can afford it
Ty ty figured i was wasting my time running 8s
I mean even if that were true, what else are you gonna craft
a non embellishment that you're gonna replace?
you have to craft the dagger for BiS anyway
because of the embellishment?
ok you've convinced me
but no I guess the other embellishment piece
but yeah the dagger is the way
tyty
yeah I'm a dumb dumb
you can buy those items on AH btw
don't even need the undercoins

lmao really
thats funny
just gotta level up my delves on my alt first
what'a ya'lls opinion about what key level where the bleed build falls off?
like +2
Does not exist
As long as mobs can bleed, make them
!FUU
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
I’ve held around 3m overall in 4-7s idk what you would consider falling off tho
do you guys prefer the bleed build or the regular build for M+
Bleed
bleed fun
Big demise is satisfying
rotationally its the same? just without DM
!guide
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
where in the wowhead page does it explain the rotation of the bleed build?
if bleed not on target apply bleed to target
Did my first clear of the raid as assass, went really well. I was scared of the raw sim data but the spec does good overall
are we playing twist the knife in any keys 6+?
Was it as melee unfriendly as it seems?
Nah to be honest i was almost at 100% uptime on bosses
Except gallywix where i did bombs

got a decent reward tho
I was wondering, what stats should I use on the everforged dagger for the final BiS? Crit / Mast is tempting but I could not find the info on the guide (maybe I can't read, it is late)
depends on the rest of your gear
crit/mast is fine
I personally just don't craft it with missives
and let god take the wheel
this patch is vers mast
This is the way
season 1 was vers haste
I just stayed up playing wow for 20 hours straight, i feel like i aged 10 years.
My left hand hurts...
Old
Real, as a 23 year old i feel like im on my last fumes
basically dead
whats the first main piece you guys are buying for pvp with conquest?
we're buying conquest gear?
i hated every sec of it
thanks!
the trash is the worst raid trash in history of all wow raids
i rather do mount hyjal than liberation of undermine trash
Why
just encountered an amazing bug
final boss of mead doesnt move or attack
she just stood there as a dummy
nope, this is worse
my guild literally said "fuck this, we are deathrunning to the boss room and soulstoning a healer to rez a warlock to summon everyone"
Meh I disagree
What
Like why tho
Just kill the trash
because we were permamently in combat with trash from other side of the raid
my guild wiped more to trash than to any of the bosses last night lmao
Oh yea the combat thing sucks
its awfull
We only had like
2 wipes on ogre dude and 10ish on gallywix
I disagree , I think raid is p nice
Just gotta see how heroic feels
we 1 shotted every normal boss
Fair, our guild moreso casual
fair fair
we stopped before last two, rl was under the impression they were harder than they seem to be
i forget that mythic guilds are in the minority
so we just do those tomorrow then back into heroic
Tbh with how uni works, it’s p much impossible for me to do mythic raising
Yea we stayed like 1 hour overtime for gal
Speaking of I need to sleep
Also I was top dps on all bosses minus one I’m p sure so
i had 5 deadlines last month... but i prevailed just in time for the season
gotta climb those guild rankings
Bloodmallet updated with trinkets!
Tbh most pulls 2 of the top 3 dps were assa rofues
4% nerf incoming?
is 2p old and 2p new combined better than old 4p set?
WHY are you like this?
New 2pc get asap
ok
i really dont like the bleed build, is the regular build competitive with it at all?
the bleed build is worse in a dungeon overall i think
THANK GOD
just a gentle reminder that we don't have 4 set, new gear, and all sorts yet, you might find things change over time
!up
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Its better than hybrid in lower end content where enemies die quick and dont give you time to ramp.
better overall
worse boss damage
peak assa will be going afk for boss so we can do more aoe
Clearly the design goal of bliz looking at the changes they have made lol
It makes a lot of sense. As the rogue spec modeled after Garona, of course we would be bad at killing a single target but good at wiping out hordes.
Not having kingsbane is weird with bleed build lol
then take it
I, for one, welcome our Arterial Precision overlords.
Whyspyr learning to follow that new foreverguy way of life, zen the fuck out, ball with whatever, just push buttons gooder than other people
watching the progression of peeps is awesome lol
i already do that
Just ask your tank to bring two packs into the bosses so you can look good there too
Make big trash pack pulls into the boss, like MDI does. Then you can keep pumping during bosses.
Jinx
were there any talent changes this last update?
like trees i see look same but not sure if they did anything for sin
Nothing changed
think the tierset tooltip is bugged, unless i was mistaken that it lasts 10 sec now? still says 4 sec for me
is it worth keeping old 2 piece if we have higher ilvl new pieces? Currently got old 2 piece and new 2 piece but got some good gear I could replace old set with
they can't fix tooltips until major patches
because of localization
2+2 is very good, but this is why we have sims
ok, thought i was gettin prepped to be sad
server shutdown, heres to blizzard choosing to shut down teh game cause rogue single target needs help
For me 2PC S1 + 2PC S2 sim less than 4PC S1
bleed build
!up
It’s surprisingly fun
Is the page missing Amorphous trinket from delves or is it just that irrelevant that its not on the page
what do we think of tottenham
Is there an updated spreadsheet?
We do not like them one bit
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
!guide
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
Ok so I've checked the guides and maybe I'm an idiot, but with Dragon-Tempered Blades is there no difference in application chance between three poisons or four? I think I'm misreading this..
should i go 2set for now or stay previous season 4p?
no
it's a global poison application reduction
whatever sims higher
Alright thanks!
Sounds lame
😂
Is the sim on it bait? I have bad trinkets so its probably why its better. Just want to make sure the sim is not broken for it
Has the sim ever been broken?
Idk I've played specs where they do not advise stuff like dungeon slicing, or I remember in DF the sims for some of the trinkets were not correct, I think the ruby whelp for some time?
So I figure I'd ask in case anyone has heard anything about that with the ratfang trink
Ask the purple guy who writes the sim
Well he’s not purple irl just his name in discord
Noice !
Game name? So i can see how you did it ?
Crashcede-Tichondrius
Nice bro
No match tho
Oooh noice
if u wanan find it
Got HOUSE OF CARDS BOIS!! LESSGOO
You didnt wait to refore your weapon to 675 ?
Niiiiiice 🫡
nah i crafted my shit insta
need it for raid prog
also getting 90 gilded week 1 isnt easy
What's the easiest delve right now to grind?
The sluice one in undermine yesterday on NA was easy as hell and I got it to 11 in 45 minutes
Yea
Can we get the 675 crafted this week ?
yes
mind if I bust to this?
go goon king
i joined this random disc for keys
and I saw they had a nsfw channel
i thought it was just risque memes and shit
legit straight raw bussy pics in there
MasterGooner69XD
Daaaamn that got me hard.
You playing sub this tier ? With vers mast
He Gamba’s no missive
hell nah
Sorry assa master 🫡
Sub isn’t better than sin this tier

Real and true
I don’t wanna craft a wep. Time to see what the dps difference will be
Just a whack preference I just hate it lol. Not sure if just used to doing boots/bracers from df so I prefer it
did the discount work for you / can you upgrade your 2nd dagger?
no
Same here, maybe fixxed or i did something wrong
its fixed
Daaaamn you cooked
guess I have to wait for bonespike to do 16m damage
my guide said go wank and take a shower
wtf
I pressed my deathmark to activate trinket/pot to speed up the bonespike damage and it made the mob teleport back up through the floor
When do we send our shivs playing bleed build for M+ with no KB?
Damn the dungeons this season are so melee unfriendly
Kinda ate good on gear tonight for sure
bro this thing you buy to force spawn the delvers map guy has a 2 hour cd??
like its on cooldown when you buy it..
Mine had a 24hour CD 
when is the best time to collect the transmitter orb?
what is that?:) like you use it and guy gives you map? 😄
Wave scrambler 2000, can buy from AH or for 2000 undercoin at the delve vendor murlock, it basically lets you summon the undermine boss guy that gives you a delvers bounty
cool, thank you
Any time between pressing kb and like 5-6 seconds after that
thank you ❤️
Mfers be saying this shit about every mechanic every season man 
“This season so melee unfriendly” and then it’s triple enhance + hpal keys
i will say the paladins in priory are annoying as fuck
but pug tanks make that problem worse than it actually is
but nothing strikes me as any more or less melee unfriendly as normal
Why do we not care about the auto proc anymore
What changed? I remember people hating that passive of tea
Feel like if it auto casts it’s just saving you from pooling for longer
It was very close to not mattering at all and now with kb nerfed and energy being how it is it’s better to use when you’re low. So basically when it auto procs
I mean the day the change was implemented the macro was recommended
But you should still have no issue with having access to tea when you are in your cds
cause the macro makes you use tea when you want it, and you cant auto proc something thats on cooldown so by just using stuff on cooldown shit just lines up
When shiv gets pressed that’s normally when you’re doing most of your damage as well right?
Been checking macros on my characters and trying to add good ones I’m missing
Gonna use this one for sure
!up
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
what pooling
is this pooling in the room with us right now?
Idk is this not a thing anymore
Haven’t really tested assa in st in a while
not since 10.2
What did they change that fixed it?
removed dragonflight season 3 tier
Sounds nice even though I heard the ST damage is quite bad
I was playing back then, was something about envenome right?
it was rapid injection but like 900% stronger
Trying to look it up
Ah right the gameplay was basically keeping envenom up constantly which meant spamming backstab into evenom right?
Super costly
it was quite overtuned
That’s when caustic was added right?
kingsbane is a phantom of what it was back then
Think that’s when they did the whole rogue mini rework
yes
Yeah with the bleed build I’m pretty interested in going hard on rogue again, just wish It was a bit easier to play all 3 specs with similar loot
does anyone have the bis gear sin rogue sim?
@balmy condor come on help the man
Is fatebound good this season
fuck no
is transmitter alot better then skardyns?
youre welcome i can keep it up if you want more
idgi either its posted somewhere obvious or you guys just don't think it's valuable enough to post
i don't linger in this discord at all so i'm genuinely asking
i found outlaws
Yes, gives significantly greater burst
its not any useful information
and people are more likely to interpret it as if it is
-> disregarded
should've pinged whispyr
ok well, upon request, is it available somewhere
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
though i heavily condone looking at any bis sim gear
yes thats why i heavily condone
any information about bis gear is instantly wrong the moment you drop any piece of loot
theres also a fuckload of bis gear combinations
within margin of error
how is assa doing in raid?
worse than sub
also not very bad yet cause people arent geared
once people are geared assa will fall behind
and so will sub
Caustic hits hard tho, many aoe fights😁
I tried Rik with and without Caustic, with Caustic it hits harder, on HC
yes?
what did you expect
how is that... surprising
caustic is extremely powerful
and internal bleeding is 3% dps
wwwwwwwwhat
Not surprised, just sayin😁
also week 1 means adds live for longer than they will in future weeks
what do we craft guys dagger .
My guild has a wish-list for the upcoming raid. Everyone can specify two items and will then be given priority in the loot allocation. What items would you put on it? ((You can't mention rare items, like the Gally ring))
I would say the card trinket "House of cards" from bandit.
?
house of cards
outside of that? idk do a raid gear sim for that
lol you and the rest of the raid team will put house of cards and eye of kezan
good wakeup call
probably yea
did you crafted dagger guys ?
yep








fixed
my cock man
shittart
day 1 all pvp s1 crafted gear could be recrafted to s2 gear and keep sockets/enchants

Y'all enjoying the game?
Hell yeah
That's where blizzard would like to work and they stated that new "generic design" tiers set would allow them to tune more baseline class design
for the first time i played some keys in a full premade group yesterday it was sooo awesome
Tbh I had a blast in m+ yesterday but I didnt do past a +4
Ran 5 +2 priories in a row just bleedbuilding and got a champ track signet
Was a blast
sounds fun af
no
i got the goon squad trinket yesterday
i got a dagger on rogue this season faster than last season, and i swapped off of rogue
atleast its a heroic chest i gues, so that vould be a catalyst angle
anyone else wants to kill himself?
Honestly only thing that I didnt find fun yesterday was running to the bosses in raid 
Like people getting ran over was funny the first 15 times
Then not so much
did a +8, thats enough for vault
i gotta do weeklies on 2 characters i will cut my balls or someting
aint no way im suffering trought a +10 lmao
I timed an 8 and it’s not bad
it was priory
With day 1 garbo
tryan -.-
You kill the other guy tho?
stop
dmg is duplicated to the boss ye
hit boss, cleave add
aka "spatter do your job"
Free energy and free CT value sounds good to me
yo what we crafting?
do we put ascendance on it or what we do

Does someone know if you can do story mode gallywix already?
On the 11th I believe
Ty
i guess i pray that i can pug some +7 for gilded then
👍
Got Warbound Eye of Kezan 😂
Other guy got Jasper Ring warbound
You guys playing the old build?
what old build
havent test yet the bleed build on left tree
bleed is not something new
what we crafting this week? dagger?
the no kb
how do you get a spark
ye ik true but st without mobs
putting a point in kb is strictly better
are depressing as always
Well
i asked you if you tested
bleed build soooo fun
not that i want to
varas hating will never stop
lol
just punch and kick you got this king
i need to figure out if its me or the spec when i do bad dps
cause the spec does negative aoe

huh
ww....
its you
:3
When do you shiv playing the bleed build for M+?
1 trick smh
I am playing with elesham from my guild, 6-7gcds he has 20mil dps in burst, pack disapear and i can't even press cds... even on +8-9 😔
yeah playing with an ele shaman rn is gonna make you feel like a loser
anyone seen the mister lock n stalk trinket?
wonder if precision blasting or mass destruction is better
actually thats a stupid question mass destruction is for aoe and precision for ST
Is there a place where I can easily see what build to play on what bosses?
wowhead
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/liberation-of-undermine-raid-tips found it, thanks
should i craft dagger for this week?
If you can craft max itemlevel yes
what timer addons is everyone using my warpdeplete is like bugged or something
ty ty
hey guys, i have a 639 sacbrood and 639 skardyns, got now a priory 649 it sims lower then the other both, but in general it should be better according to guides, should i replace one of the other trinkets?
Anyone can help me with the sim. I am doing a patchwerk (not sure if it is the right one for raid boss) 3min sim and i want to see for example how much damage the dry shiv does. Is there a way to check it ? I am looking at the sample ability log to see on this 1 iteration how much dmg it did. Is there another way ?
no you cant
ok i dont know for sure, but ive never once in my life heard of finding information of that
Use what sims the best
which talents u guys are playing*
Hey guys should I use house of cards on cd or with deathmark?
Or it depends on the fight length?
with deathmark
macro it
treat it as 2 min
ofc if fight is gonna end before deathmark comes up, and house is gonna be up, use it
and if you know that much you can also hold that last kb to line them up for more min-maxing
alright thank you
In NHC and HC do we Just send DM at pull or delay for damage amp? Dont know If it will align Like in myth
Is it better than macroing it to KB ? for the 1 second extra duration ?
i'd rather not macro it at all in that case and press it manually
cause of edge cases where you might use kb
and use house of cards too idk
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
will deathmark duplicate present bleeds as well?
yes
Hello, I would like to know if the 4 p of the rog is full of bugs, I heard that, is it true or not at all?
that was the case early on PTR, but its all fixed now
2
This blue trinket of item level 437 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted from Captain Dailcry. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: The War Within.
kk
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
if you type !help it gives a list
oh ty
what talents are you guys running for lower keys?
can still vibe here
BUT its a real Rat Master then
Tbh i'm called vendeten "rat girl" in the hunter sever for a reason
Hahah
Btw
I did get signet of the priory with leech on it
So i think it's a sign
Sadly it's champion tho
My hunter is still like 627
I can 100% do 7s on her, just getting into groups with that low i lvel
Wait
Hold the fuck on
UwU cutegirl
Thats my fuking guild tank you just did a key with XD
is the recrafting missive for free upgrades trick gone?
dont want to spend 30k for nohing
yes
The bleed build doesn’t run KB right?
Ok but consider thizs
The games gonna not give me a mythic or heroic track one
because i used up all my luck already
God i wish that were me
maybe
I never know
Tbh grace taking 38 ish runs wasn't too bad
So i hope i get it in like
sub 50
The hardest part about it is getting into a priory group though
See that's who you should be saying "fuck you" to trick
i got the crystal one, idk if its simming better or not
cause i didnt get to sim it last night 😴
simmed 12k better than spyglass
I got a normal house of cards big loot 
Praying I get the goon trinket
Gotta be bis
Zee’s thug hotline
i cant comprehend how some people already have 4p set xD
2p from raid, catalyst charge + ksm or AotC charge
Also very convinced that cinderbrew is just a bleed build dungeon
Because of your name ?
No because you do like 5 GIGA pulls

It's ok UvU
Idk weather to use my cata charges on hero gear or just wait for mythic
wait for vault
then decide
were gonna do mythic on sunday i think, so i SURELY hope i can get the shoulders from 1st boss to cata
i already have normal tier legs
Good plan
Nice I got the shoulders from first boss
On champion tho
lol
Nah Unfort I lost the roll
But yea
Especially with the dungeons this season I’m going BM
Every dungeons is a bleed build dungeon
It actually pumps
Tyrannical the ST mattered a bit
let them hype it up for some weird reason
if it makes them happy
I mean it does pump
same 
No arguments
and then complain in 2 weeks that its bad and wowhead is stupid for recommending it cus it has low boss dmg 
ran a 2 priory and i fucking knew id get it
CT is just the most broken spell we have
1st priory key in the season, classic
its not close
CT is overtuned ye
@balmy condor hello good sir I am trying to compare logs together with the SIM rotation and I see that in the logs we both cast ambush at around 0.5 sec and garrote at 3.5. Is this happening for a reason? is it lag in the logs or something? Also I am not sure the best way to compare and understand where I am losing damage.
since TWW launch
also I love the xalatath affix atm
like u just gain so much CT/IC value out of it when it spawns at a good time
Bleeds on top!

Bro bleed build everywhere
Xav wing says hello
gaining a max damage CT on a boss cause the lil orbs pop up 🔥
I keep seeing ST this ST that, as if ST wasn’t also terrible in the hybrid build lol
Both m+ builds have garbo st
But I can’t be fucked to play sub that shit is so boring
Yeah but the log Jam when running with a 640 Ret ain’t packs in an 8
i still run hybrid
even though the bleed is fun
our aoe is nuts regardless, so i figure to help the weakest point as much as possible
They should nerf CT by 10% and buff our ST by 10% 😉😉
especially with tyrannical starting at 7
Yeah, ill be running hybrid by 7 too.
also trying to figure out the best IW dungeons
i think rookery is a good one for it
and if u dont use IW, where to put the point instead
SB, SD, or dashing
right now its been in SD
Yea rookery is good for IW
Is Assas the go to spec for m+ this season? Or sub ?
Outlaw
JK I think it’s sub?
Tbh tho like
It’s so early in the season
For now just play what you want
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bout a 100k dps difference
it is not outlaw
Oh
outlaw always sims high in dungeon slice
because it doesnt sim 15 targets
it sims 5 and 1 or some shit
so peak for outlaw
also lets be real - outlaw has to be significantly better than the other 2 , at least for me
Imagine outlaw being meta
Im not going to enjoy myself 20% less for 5% more damage
Wasn’t outlaw the go to m+ spec for fucking forever though?
Woke up at 5 after sleeping for 4 hours
Just reached the point in the day where like
I just drop dead
What about raids tho ?
for raid theres a dependency on encounter and downtime etc
if its a fight with forced downtime, outlaw will fall behind regardles of the patchwerk sim
Tbh imma just roll BM in every boss
guys whats best gem for helmet
Aight I'm going sub every boss :v
yeah i mean sub seems to be trending higher across the bosses
should i go blasphemite or Master
but theres a good mix of all 3 specs across the bosses, probably a play what you want angle for now
Sim it
Sub obviously looks good but sin feels absolutely crazy on the last 3
The execute lust gets me so bricked
yeah the fact that sub does not get an execute
its fun but idk if i like it for m+, maybe just raid
i also dont have a 90s trinket
Im using the serum delve trinket rn and i want to die
yeah I was gonna say, later bosses have the execute and sin will probably cook there
but thats not really relevant for my mythic prog 😂 and hopefully execute damage isnt whats holding us back for a heroic kill
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Trueeeee
Execute DM + KB + Lust hits hard
Feels so good
One thing imma miss
What do people mean by execute damage in the last few bosses? Is there a reason we have better damage in execute range compared to other bosses?
Zoldyk and blindside, left side talents
But for those bosses, execute is the important part of the fight so good execute gains value
Guys do someone knows how haste affects energy regen? I mean calculations to have somehow a base of how much haste should I go in raid? I feel I'm laking of energy and my dmg falls off after the opening and energy has became a trouble now.
!design
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
!stats
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
!pooling
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
- Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
- Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
- Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy
i swear there’s a moroes message about haste adding like 1 action per minute

It used to be in design















