yes
#assassination
ancient tangle
exactly
and i didn't get the mark
it happened on almost every packs of this delve
and the previous delves too
pure moth
Maybe it parried?
pure moth
Yeah... lol
severe sparrow
weird thought but i wonder if the ring is somehow doing something weird?
i dont have this problem, but i dont have uhh
i dont have this gem in my ring, but these rings fuck so much shit up that they shouldnt i wouldnt be surprised
weak anvil
With comming wednesday, what do i need to know thats new patch specific for early m+ spam
Or just same old?
severe sparrow
wait
the opening of this isnt ambush from vanish it's just regular ambush? i thought this was just happening to you with vanish ambush
ancient tangle
i dont have this gem in my ring, but these rings fuck so much shit up that they ...
but why i didn't have any issues before ?
and the ring is procing after the ambush
the ambush landed properly
ancient tangle
^^
ancient tangle
the opening of this isnt ambush from vanish it's just regular ambush? i thought ...
no its regular ambush
tight sparrow
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ancient tangle
i thought too first ^^
pure moth
This stuff before ambush is bran I assume?
severe sparrow
looks like it yeah
wheat tiger
!fuu
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haughty flicker
brann defies the laws of spacetime
ancient tangle
This stuff before ambush is bran I assume?
but how do you have this view Kriz ?
my timeline for damage done is all on one line
ah done by ability
ok
ancient tangle
what the fuck 😂
pure moth
but how do you have this view Kriz ?
Damage done/cast timeline. You'd have to select your name so you can see the line. Link shows enemies so just turn it to friendly as well.
ancient tangle
oh ok thx i try ^^
severe sparrow
what i am noticing though
severe sparrow
on mine, it doesnt show the mark appearing with the ambush but i think with the next ability that removes one stack?
(the rupture?)
which is the same as how yours is on your log i think
oh no nvm
have you tried taking the ring off for science
ancient tangle
we are seeing dmg done on this no ?
so the first mark here is the dmg on first finisher no ?
its not the application of the debuff
severe sparrow
oh yeah duh
ancient tangle
no i didn't tried taking off ring
i tried changing to single target spec
with single target gear / trinkets
but same thing
i try without the ring now
no same without ring
i will take out ansurek ring too now
same without the rings
😦
can i dismiss brann ?
ok i think it is brann in healing mode
in tank mode it is fine i have 0 issues
ah no just got the issue x)
severe sparrow
what was it? or just brann you mean?
oh
ancient tangle
ye i think it is the tricks
severe sparrow
that does bug bosses out iirc
if you pretricks and then try to open with an ambush the boss always despawns lol
well glad that got solved
pure moth
Its like bran took you out of stealth because it goes in combat first. You took damage at .018 seconds. So your ambush must be after you get it and reaction time is never quick cuz latency.
Aka bran sucks lol
ancient tangle
if you pretricks and then try to open with an ambush the boss always despawns lo...
yes i use it on boss to reset my cds ^^
leaden talon
is a dry shiv a shiv outside of cds with no tea?
leaden talon
😮 tyty
leaden talon
okay thanks
upper timber
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ancient tangle
ok it is definitely the pre trick, never got the issue without pre tricking now
thx for your help tho guys ^^
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spice spire
Np
severe sparrow
im not gonna remember the dry shiv, i see it coming now
maybe i should just make an obnoxious wa for it
balmy condor
Np
soft surge
when do we vanish without kingsbane
leaden talon
the term dry shiv is honestly hilarious, i wanna fight the jailer again
severe sparrow
it really should be a juiced shiv. a big, wet shiv. moist even, perhaps.
haughty flicker
shiv dn
balmy condor
shiv ligma
frozen glacier
cerulean nest
deez mutz
spice surge
ligmaing darkness
Ligmaing darkness VS sigmalic victory
spice surge
Ye but we already have cuck them down
balmy condor
cuck them down redeemed themselves
they said "at least I'm not envenom"
and I was convinced
spice surge
perhaps there should be a O there instead of an U
haughty flicker
granite sentinel
runic hinge
hell yeah
drifting cloud
C tier for cum
vale shore
is shadowheart simming well yet? I really think that one is going to be a huge sleeper hit this season
haughty flicker
dawn heath
soft surge
discord tier list
candid sun
https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-baldur%27s-gate-3-baldur%27s-gate-my-beloved-...
Someone has taste
earnest remnant
C tier for cum
u rdy to play sub?
zenith elm
I doubt this tier list is accurate lol
earnest remnant
no tierlist is lol
drifting cloud
u rdy to play sub?
nova aspen
every single tierlist ive seen has been different from another
drifting cloud
im rolling with assa on thursday
drifting cloud
monday tbd!
drifting cloud
did you just wake up
earnest remnant
nah
earnest remnant
like 8 hours ago
drifting cloud
yo same
drifting cloud
not even 5am? damn casuals
earnest remnant
if it was up to me we would
drifting cloud
earnest remnant
but we have a sleepoholic in the group
drifting cloud
youre gonna have all 10s done by the time I zone in a key
earnest remnant
should be done by evening with those
earnest remnant
we have people doing that for us xD
drifting cloud
heh
balmy condor
imagine having server up at 5am
haughty flicker
na will probably take until 5 am wednesday to be up
zenith elm
Imagine not being there at 5 am cause you're on holiday ☠️
balmy condor
true
they did giga maint this week
so that they're ready to go and have experience with the giga maint next week
cerulean walrus
west vortex
Checking the pins, so forgive me if I missed it but is there sims done of the new updates from today? wasnt sure if the spells have been updated on raidbot since update drops tues
balmy condor
the 4% buff is not in sims until tuesday
but it doesn't affect anything other than number go up slightly
west vortex
Okay I was thinking that, will just raw crunch the numbers in excel I guess
Thanks g
balmy condor
you're what now
west vortex
gonna take current sims and do the 4% diff and compare to the slight nerf on sub
probs stick to ass anyways, sub too much rn as im learning rogue from scratch
zenith elm
Are we good in raids for this tier ?
balmy condor
sure yeah
west vortex
10% kinda big though, might have to sit down and learn it
plus I feel like the burst windows on sub is so much more versatile
worthy timber
Am I drunk or is there conflicting information on wowhead, icy-veins, and method.gg for rotation? Wowhead and method show to shiv after deathmark into kingsbane but icy-veins is saying to kingsbane after deathmark and wait until 8s is left on kingsbane to shiv and shiv again after deathmark expires. which is correct?
balmy condor
there's almost guaranteed to be more tuning
haughty flicker
Am I drunk or is there conflicting information on wowhead, icy-veins, and method...
there are like 3 combinations of things here that are all right and wrong
lmao
balmy condor
oh what the fuck
haughty flicker
balmy condor
@marble hemlock all of the shiv darkest night stuff here is wrong
haughty flicker
balmy condor
it's 2 shivs in deathmark, shiv comes up for darkest night at the end of lingering, then 1 shiv at the end of kingsbane, repeat
worthy timber
so follow wowhead/method.gg then?
vital flicker
yeah otherwise wouldn't you essentially waste a charge of shiv?
balmy condor
so follow wowhead/method.gg then?
yes
worthy timber
then I saw something about "dry shiving"
balmy condor
yeah otherwise wouldn't you essentially waste a charge of shiv?
correct
haughty flicker
then I saw something about "dry shiving"
thats what this is
balmy condor
then I saw something about "dry shiving"
yeah that's the issue here
cause this is the dry shiv but it's wrong lmao
haughty flicker
the shiv after deathmark for darkest night is the dry shiv
worthy timber
i sometimes see different recommendations for gear too between icy-veins and wowhead
balmy condor
I pulled the gear from my sims and send them over to seli to copy
idk what would go wrong there
it looks the same to me
at least on first glance
worthy timber
noticed mostly in s1 and i think in DF too
theres a difference. wow head doesnt show the circlet as a bis ring
neither also doesnt show which crafted item would be BIS for Raid Gear BiS
only in overall bis on icy-veins
spice spire
theres a difference. wow head doesnt show the circlet as a bis ring
That looks like a raid only list
They have 3 iirc
balmy condor
yeah that's the raid only list
overall bis is the same
and he hasn't updated trinkets yet but that's VERY recent
worthy timber
ok didnt know if it intended to have those particular items since they're relatively easy to get.
balmy condor
the guides all have 3 bis lists
an overall bis
and then a bis containing items that are only found from raid/m+
so the roulette wheel is the next best option from raids after the circlet
worthy timber
what about if someone wanted to do BIS with only raid items + circlet+crafted?
balmy condor
cause the circlet doesn't come from raids
balmy condor
what about if someone wanted to do BIS with only raid items + circlet+crafted?
then I would look at the overall bis list and replace the m+ drops with whatever the raid list says
worthy timber
thats good to know because thats basically what ive been doing lol
balmy condor
I mean you could also just
sim yourself
instead of looking at an arbitrary list of items you have no way of guaranteeing until like 2.5 months down the road when they might not be bis anymore
haughty flicker
runic hinge
fuck you and your sims, math boy
short sedge
royal lantern
why is kb dead
balmy condor
@inland dirge what if our cars made out in front of the gallagio
inland dirge
gusty mirage
u into a lil boykissin?
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692466539747737693/1306454671434584165/12...
Jealousy is a disease get well soon xoxo
gusty mirage
Jealousy is a disease get well soon xoxo
haughty flicker
west vortex
u into a lil boykissin?
worthy timber
sim yourself
Meh. I just follow the list. I don't like trying to sit there and figure out the math behind my character to find out what's best. If the list is that arbitrary, it's not worth following
balmy condor
Meh. I just follow the list. I don't like trying to sit there and figure out the...
guess it's not worth following then
spice spire
1/2
earnest remnant
want the 2nd slide?
spice spire
Yes
earnest remnant
It was this
earnest remnant
ive recently stocked up on more racc memes
dapper cradle
marble hemlock
Am I drunk or is there conflicting information on wowhead, icy-veins, and method...
As whispyr pointed out, that's straightup bad information on the IV guide, because I fucked it up. No other explanation there, it'll be fixed very quickly but I feel terrible for getting that wrong in the first place. Apologies for the confusion it's caused 
thorn thorn
fuck you and your sims, math boy
marble hemlock
neither also doesnt show which crafted item would be BIS for Raid Gear BiS
Both sites have slightly different guidelines on what is and isn't allowed in the raid and m+ only lists, that's why there's "different" recommendations even though they're essentially the same.
runic hinge
can just ask questions in here
drifting cloud
tbh youre asking a little much, coaching over voice people usually charge money for that
start here
then you just have to know the 11.0.5 changes which are also in a different video
and 11.1 we dont have changes
ancient tangle
Its like bran took you out of stealth because it goes in combat first. You too...
i just realised that i should have still get the mark because i was runing subterfuge ... ^^ thats a really strange case ..
drifting cloud
and like tony said people are more than happy to help here
but sometimes you can just hit a dead period when the channel wont be super active
drifting cloud
@balmy condor are you guys raiding wednesday start of tier again? actually wait can you make those raids now
balmy condor
we are and I took the first 2 weeks to raid
so my guild is tues/wed/thur/mond for 4 weeks, I'm doing it for the first 2
rotund oak
<:FLOOSHED:1154291036076638238>
who are u and how would u describe your relationship with our whispyr
🗡️
balmy condor
ipsa is a goat
drifting cloud
so my guild is tues/wed/thur/mond for 4 weeks, I'm doing it for the first 2
came for the loot, then the silent protest strat
balmy condor
came for the loot, then the silent protest strat
shhhh not too loud
vital flicker
ipsa is a goat
"A goat" not "the GoAT"?
drifting cloud
whats he cranking
balmy condor
my hog
rotund oak
drifting cloud
I see
balmy condor
goated guild name
vital flicker
we got goats cranking hogs in here? I thought this was a rogue discord
drifting cloud
that sounds like a hof guild name if ive ever seen one
balmy condor
I think they're also ethical 9h/week guild
but don't quote me on that
I haven't reviewed the overtime logs
drifting cloud
🚓
balmy condor
I think they add a day maybe
rotund oak
huge woof woof guild
drifting cloud
r100-200 this tier is slightly fake because of how blizz nerfed queen for your turkey day
balmy condor
alt raid on sundays
balmy condor
yeah true
but yeah ipsa is a gamer, and sinzhu is brewmaster gigabrainer
wowhead writer too
humble verge
im hoping we can break 500
balmy condor
big fan
humble verge
we got 700 with 2 day
going 3 day now for a while at the start then back to 2 later i assume
from what i read gm/rl said
drifting cloud
yeah its not easy to break top500 on 2day
drifting cloud
takes a bit to get a roster of good caliber players that just prefer to not raid big hours but raid efficient
west vortex
^
humble verge
best i can testify is waking up early for a run <:KEK:739953921895694417>
empty gym atleast
inland dirge
who are u and how would u describe your relationship with our whispyr
erm
rotund oak
empty gym atleast
i liked it more like that,u can do whatever u want,no weirdos
inland dirge
ipsa is a goat
humble verge
i liked it more like that,u can do whatever u want,no weirdos
usually im there 6pm, peak hours just about over and people i know are here
but i woke UP at 6pm yesterday so im just gonna stay awake
rotund oak
usually im there 6pm, peak hours just about over and people i know are here
😂
its how it is
pure moth
i just realised that i should have still get the mark because i was runing subte...
Yeah I dunno. Definitely weird
keen spruce
humble verge
@balmy condor is it a bad habit of mine that i will always ambush main CS target even tho i have DN off 30s cd?
and then start to start rup and gar dotting
i do this usually in m+ ofc
balmy condor
probably not
humble verge
it just makes sense to me uknow
but then again ill have to do a full 7cp envenom, or remove the buff from my auras
tho i do the latter the most
balmy condor
don't think it matters
earnest remnant
dont raid wednesday = -30 wr
That happened to us this tier. If we raided Wednesday instead of the Thursday we killed we would’ve been wr 30 ish
surreal vale
Yo @balmy condor are we still using Bubbling Wax for main hand and Ironclaw on the other ?
balmy condor
we've never done that
surreal vale
I was using the whole season haha
balmy condor
F
storm hedge
I was using the whole season haha
I think that's good for outlaw ST but not for assa
neat flame
guys i woke up in a cold sweat, is sin the best or not i cant live without this knowledge
humble verge
guys i woke up in a cold sweat, is sin the best or not i cant live without this ...
play what you want
neat flame
coral ibex
guys i woke up in a cold sweat, is sin the best or not i cant live without this ...
i give sin five (5) big BOOMS
💥 💥 💥 💥 💥
high sundial
Hi! When specced into 2/2 Supercharger do we hit Envenom on 4 or 7 combo points?
high sundial
Thanks!
rotund oak
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rotund oak
you don't play around supercharger at all
yo fam,is there a reason why WA suddenly lost all my stuff and i cant import ur afenar edit now?
s2 waiting room?
rotund oak
reinstalling the entire game from the begging,something's wrong with me most likely
chilly mist
Btw how is mythic trans vs normal / hc house of cards?
Mythic Transmitter vs Mythic House of Cards with my current gear
nvm this was a sub sim
grand trail
Mythic house of cards won't be avaible for most for some time so it's not fair comparison
chilly mist
Mythic house of cards won't be avaible for most for some time so it's not fair c...
Yeah was just illustrating that if Mythic HoC is that little of a gain, HC is almost not even worth considering. Didn't realize this was the assass channel though
balmy condor
Btw how is mythic trans vs normal / hc house of cards?
transmitter is like -1.6%
it's very good
it's better than most equal ilvl trinkets
grand trail
Hmm
balmy condor
probably will want like
hero track trinkets
until it's replaced
but I think there's gonna be more tuning for trinkets and shit
almost guaranteed
rotund oak
bruh im feeling weird being a mechagnome in undermine
every goblin is shitting on me
lul
buoyant herald
yes, but has anyone considered fuck transmitter
hexed frost
21M
radiant raven
yes, but has anyone considered fuck transmitter
I will find the imp on the other end of this telephone and I will give him what for.
balmy condor
21M
B E T
time to spam normal mists to try and get a demise proc on first boss during intermission
hexed frost
time to spam normal mists to try and get a demise proc on first boss during inte...
Lmao certified enhancement moment
frank axle
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brazen sluice
does the raibots api has the 4% buff we got earlier?
balmy condor
no
buffs on raidbots line up with buffs on the server
so hotfixes show up really quick
but the 4% buff and the sub buff and stuff are coming with the weekly reset
so raidbots will have them on the weekly reset as well
brazen sluice
aha ty , do u have an estimate whats the st dmg diffrence would be between sub and assa? since my raid leader wants the Droptimizers sims for gear priority
balmy condor
pins
but in general
sub will be ahead by like idk
5-7%
somewhere in that range
depends what the sub nerf is
brazen sluice
kk tysm ❤️
royal lantern
Mathz
warm vortex
Our most famous m+ head is leaving us to be a feral main
Who? Casual?
royal lantern
Sad we’re not meta anymore
"sadly"
bronze pike
Who? Casual?
No
sharp viper
Who?
warm vortex
Hello my name is famous
Also im so annoyed my study week was this week and not next week
sharp viper
warm vortex
I have like 0 time at home on wednesday
So i can't do any delves or anything
Imma prolly sit out of mythic pluis for like
a few days
because it's always a shitshow at this point
rotund oak
is sub simming 2.3 now?
sub big stonks btw,taken the throne for sure
lethal slate
Is deathmark buggy? When i get the deathmark reapplication buff after killing a mob, but invis into the next pack and apply deathmark through ambush, i then cant consume the deathmark stacks until spending a max envenom? im awful at words so lmk if this dont make sense
lethal slate
ok thanks, so should i not apply deathmark with ambush and just get a max envenom up to apply it?
balmy condor
you can apply it
you're gonna consume the darkest night anyway
which takes you to 3
so you lost nothing, and gained a bit of uptime
like you either ambushed, had 3 stacks for a while, then envenomed to consume your darkest night and get 3 stacks
or you didn't ambush, didn't have the mark, and then envenom to consume it and get 3 stacks anyway
it's zero sum
lethal slate
oh ok so it doesnt really matter
balmy condor
ye
storm hedge
When do we start dry shiving. with tier set or right now?
sharp viper
the fuc k is dry shiving
royal lantern
the fuc k is dry shiving
going in dry, but in London
sharp viper
might wanna see your doctor about that if your shiv is dry
balmy condor
When do we start dry shiving. with tier set or right now?
Can do it now, only gets better with gear/tier
balmy condor
I mean
0.5% is quite large compared to most optimizations that are found
Is it large in the grand scheme of your raid killing a boss or you timing a key?
Probably not
storm hedge
It's big for how ez it sounds that's true. Compared to pooling or keeping tea charges or something
balmy condor
Fok in single target is like 0.4%
storm hedge
Well yea that's also super ez
balmy condor
Luckily pooling is like 0.2-0.3
And tea is macro’d now
So gg to those things
Probably baselining fok on 6 for darkest nights in the guides and stuff as well in the coming days when I rewrite pins
It’s neutral for raid builds with blindside and all that but it’s better for m+ builds
So guess we foking always just to avoid confusion ya know
storm hedge
Never witnessed optimization dropping like that
Just randomly when there's noone here to see it
balmy condor
It’s very new and very whatever
storm hedge
Just me a 2k rank andie
shy axle
what does baselining fok on 6 mean? i guess we used fok at 6 targets already
royal lantern
Yeah it’s new to everyone cause I just said it
you could have also jst stayed silent
shy axle
balmy condor
you could have also jst stayed silent
That’s not fun
Me yap
Also technically I already said to varas earlier so it’s entirely new
But close enough
It’s already in sims and no one noticed it though
Imagine that
humble verge
youre undermining my stupidity whispyr
storm hedge
It’s already in sims and no one noticed it though
Nobody looks at sims, other than looking at the number
balmy condor
Well I also told you to Mut on 6 like last week or something
So I’m stupid too
We’re stupid together
balmy condor
If what was
humble verge
the mut on 6
balmy condor
I mean it’s fine but we’re gonna be swapping to recommending fok instead
lost wharf
Does the nightly version on raidbots contain the buffs/nerfs for the different specs already?
lusty kraken
Do we use fok just because of the lower energy cost?
balmy condor
Does the nightly version on raidbots contain the buffs/nerfs for the different s...
No
humble verge
Do we use fok just because of the lower energy cost?
that was my reasoning
35e fok instead of 50e mut
balmy condor
Do we use fok just because of the lower energy cost?
Number of reasons I guess, but yeah that’s one of them
Poisons dealing no damage, envenom dealing a ton more
lethal slate
what is fok
lost wharf
Can we still use the same jeweler's settings next season? Does it make sense to buy a couple now?
lethal slate
...
balmy condor
Makes more envenoms more efficient
lusty kraken
How much energy is throw knife? 
humble verge
fan of knives
humble verge
How much energy is throw knife? <:Kappa:675691839881216001>
42?
lethal slate
oh
humble verge
its kind of weird
balmy condor
Think it’s 45 no?
balmy condor
Oh 40
lusty kraken
It’s 40
lost wharf
It's still more than fok and does less damage
lusty kraken
Interesting how throwing one knife costs more energy than throwing multiple around you
lethal slate
im confused, is it gonna be fan of knives on ST?
lethal slate
Fok on 6cp
what is 6cp?
fervent tide
FoK is 35 energy...
balmy condor
One less than 7 cp
balmy condor
Combo points?
lost wharf
what is 6cp?
combo points
balmy condor
Typing out full ability names every time must be miserable
lethal slate
so what you are saying is FoK of 6cp to get to 7cp to use the darkest night proc is better?
humble verge
everytime someone types it out
lethal slate
everytime someone types it out
oh hell nah
balmy condor
It’s equal or slightly better
lethal slate
ahh ok im with it now
lost wharf
I mostly use abbreviations, because my english is bad and I can't remember the spelling. Idk how many ls to put into flag, so I just call it flag 😄
balmy condor
Chris Paul like the dude with the drag race
humble verge
Chris Paul like the dude with the drag race
cp3 bowing to the paul god
legendary pic
lethal slate
why is kingsbane so little extra dmg
balmy condor
cp3 bowing to the paul god
Chris Paul, Ru Paul, Paul Rudd, lakers in 5
humble verge
Chris Paul, Ru Paul, Paul Rudd, lakers in 5
why does paul rudd equal lakers in 5
balmy condor
why is kingsbane so little extra dmg
Cause blizzard beats it with a belt like a red headed step child
humble verge
paul rudd is from NJ 💀
balmy condor
why does paul rudd equal lakers in 5
You don’t know the Shannon sharpe special?
humble verge
You don’t know the Shannon sharpe special?
dont think ive heard this one on CJ
balmy condor
Well I made it up
humble verge
ok dog
lethal slate
if i take doomblade instead of kinsbane, i lose like 75kDPS and gain aoe? tf is that
balmy condor
if i take doomblade instead of kinsbane, i lose like 75kDPS and gain aoe? tf is ...
Sorry what
If you take DOOMBLADE?
lethal slate
Yeah I was just simming, ST with removing KB and grabbing a random talent
humble verge
But he also said like OKC, KFC, UFC, lakers in 5
Skip Bayless and Lil Wayne
balmy condor
Like right side middle-ish
cosmic sandal
is it worth crafting gear with weathered tokens if my ilvl is 605 to catch up a bit for reset, or should i just save crests to upgrade>
balmy condor
The one above bone spike?
lethal slate
Like right side middle-ish
Yeah
balmy condor
is it worth crafting gear with weathered tokens if my ilvl is 605 to catch up a ...
Yeah that’s fine, weathered crests are worthless
lethal slate
Fuck bruh I just turned off pc and went to bed sorry
balmy condor
And if I fucked up that’s an issue
All g its in your raidbots history just lmk tomorrow
You like acronyms I heard
lethal slate
I’ll see if I can get it up of my phone
deep gyro
balmy condor
I’m kinda scared about this I’m ngl cause Doomblade is giga shit
So if that’s an upgrade in aoe then the sim is like omega broken
humble verge
wait
balmy condor
Idk how it would even break I didn’t touch anything kingsbane
humble verge
did they remove doomblade from talents builds?
lethal slate
It was a dungeon slice. Idk if that is bad or good, I’m new to this stuff I only started playing this xpac
storm hedge
It could just mean that Kingsbane is not worth using at like 12 targets or whatever he was simming
Nvm
lethal slate
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4PSXHPZA1dc2h6dMhg2rev
this is with KB
humble verge
It could just mean that Kingsbane is not worth using at like 12 targets or whate...
jaha
lethal slate
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4VnCRPNCJAuMjXhj2aSdea
this is with Doomblade
subtle tundra
dont bother
humble verge
if you say so
lethal slate
humble verge
dont bother
whats your sources
lethal slate
subtle tundra
whats your sources
just like i said on friday 😉
white lance
thanks for the info, ill look into it!
humble verge
just like i said on friday 😉
lethal slate
I mean it’s casting 6 kingsbanes
Is that correct?
balmy condor
6 min fight 6 kingsbanes is normal yes
I’m not seeing anything out of the ordinary off the bat
lethal slate
So I can remove one button for my bars 😊
balmy condor
I mean there’s a bleed build that doesn’t take kingsbane just play that
lethal slate
Oh…
strange python
Doomblade good you say?
Whispyr gatekeeping secret doomblade tech smh
It’s better than kingsbane even
royal lantern
So I can remove one button for my bars 😊
how many buttons are there even left at this point
lethal slate
Not many. TBH I think destro lock has more buttons
balmy condor
Idk I’m too stupid to figure it out from my phone I’ll take a look at that tomorrow but there is no way that’s corrrct
lethal slate
Doomblade good you say?
Big kingsbane tryna stop us from doing our best
lethal slate
🤔
balmy condor
I AM VINDICATED
lethal slate
Not possible
balmy condor
You didn’t drop kingsbane for doomblade
spice surge
Its not doomblade, its sanguine
lethal slate
Uh oh
humble verge
whispyr after arguing with a bunch of people here
balmy condor
Blizzard used the same icon for both talents
And you fell for the bait!
It’s not blizzards fault for not using a different icon out of their library of literally thousands of spell icons that they’ve made over the last 20 years
It’s yours for expecting them to not look identical!
Haha!
lethal slate
Oh yeah mb.
balmy condor
It’s a classic don’t worry
I didn’t even notice it at first lmao
Fucking blizzard and their stupid talent icons man
lethal slate
Isn’t still weird tho it’s not even that much of ST loss and maybe aoe gain?
spice surge
Sanguine does literally nothing in ST
balmy condor
Nah
spice surge
Its even bad
humble verge
me when
lethal slate
Yeah ok mb yall
humble verge
SB is 7% of my damage
balmy condor
Like sudden demise is 15% bleed damage, and that’s super good
manic sphinx
Hi Team, is there a guide on best way to use crests/valor next week? I haven't really played at the start of a season with the caps - so just wondering if any tips/tricks
lethal slate
No
balmy condor
Hi Team, is there a guide on best way to use crests/valor next week? I haven't ...
Get highest ilvl gear possible
So you don’t waste on shit gear
Then upgrade like main hand dagger or trinkets or whatever
manic sphinx
Righto - so save any upgrades to the end of the week, and see how high you can get meanwhile?
balmy condor
Yeah pretty much
manic sphinx
got it, ty ty
balmy condor
Raidbots top gear will auto solve it for you as well
lethal slate
Hi Team, is there a guide on best way to use crests/valor next week? I haven't ...
Only spend runed crests on hero track gear
balmy condor
Cause you can just click the little + on gear and upgrade it
And it’ll keep track of how much of each currency you have
So you just do that at the end of the week and let the robot figure it out
manic sphinx
Legend, ty
manic sphinx
Only spend runed crests on hero track gear
Ya, i basically did that last season - but then, wasn't sure if it mattered, cos the cost to upgrade something in same slot (in case it gets replaced) will only cost valor - and valor seems plentiful this time?
balmy condor
Yeah for repeat upgrades it won’t matter
But obviously if you start at like 630 instead of 640
manic sphinx
Ya, okay, that makes sense
balmy condor
You’re wasting all the crests to upgrade that
So spam +10’s at the end of the week
That’ll be highest ilvl you can get
manic sphinx
Ya, hoping i can get there - not sure i can 😬
manic sphinx
Yep, jut saw, 2 upgrades lower for 7, 1 upgrade lower for 8s and 9s
balmy condor
Yeah
manic sphinx
But i guess they key will be the 10 for gv at end of week for myth - here's hoping!
balmy condor
Yep
Also don’t forget to do your delves, that’s hero track vault too
Good trinkets
manic sphinx
True 👍
Yea, i see you have the trinket on wowhead for BiS overall as the delve trinket 😮
golden loom
I have already manifested myth track priory trinket week 1
balmy condor
Yea, i see you have the trinket on wowhead for BiS overall as the delve trinket ...
Yeah…. Idk
Trinket tuning is still a mess
I’m kinda waiting on another round
manic sphinx
ya, im not so fussed on BiS - but i do need to spend next couple days looking at raid drops, and strat vids and whatnot. first time raiding again in like 8 years - so lets 😬
balmy condor
Top 6 trinkets for slot 2 in m+ atm are 3 delve trinkets and the alchemy trinket
Which is really fucking cooked
balmy condor
I’m thinking why is an alchemy trinket better than over a dozen trinkets from actual content
And aside from that my head is empty
manic sphinx
Are there any raid boss vids you guys would specifically recommend? I was looking at readycheckpull
balmy condor
Those are good yeah
My guild preps using the raid lead of consequence but I’m ngl his videos are boring as shit
manic sphinx
hehe
balmy condor
The info is great but you gotta have caffeine pills to get through it
manic sphinx
Guess i'll wait on instructions for mythic raiding from guild - im trialling with them. so just wanna make sure i do good in the normal/heroic this week. but yea, first time doing it on rogue
balmy condor
I mean to be honest, if you look at ready check pull and spam your defensives you’ll probably be alright
Most raid prep has to come from the raid lead, especially with rogue pov
The most we get assigned to do is soak some shit or carry a bomb or whatever
manic sphinx
defensives? 😮
balmy condor
We’re not in cc rotations and shit typically
So as long as you don’t die to stupid shit, you’re probably fine
balmy condor
Erm
Akthuallie sir
Death potions exist
I think
Maybe that was Dragonflight only
No one used them so I can’t remember
golden loom
well bonespike keeps doing damage 😎
elfin sapphire
doesnt bone spike stay on the target as well
balmy condor
TRUE I SHOULDVE GONE WITH THAT
manic sphinx
lol
elfin sapphire
silly sin guide writer
golden loom
just run a raid of 19 blood dks and 1 sin rogue and get world first
elfin sapphire
I write sins not tragedies
cold patio
one leads to the other
balmy condor
just run a raid of 19 blood dks and 1 sin rogue and get world first
Im actually so excited to see all the people dooming assa for the last month to crawl back when the last 3 fights are all big execute value and assa is omega pumping them during that
It’s slight cope maybe
But it’s still going to be very funny
golden loom
would be funny if it does really badly on first 5 bosses and gets buffed before people reach the latter bosses
and then its just crazy there
elfin sapphire
How much is assa behind sub now? if you had a rough number
cause lowkey hate playing sub rn
spice surge
cause lowkey hate playing sub rn
Then dont
elfin sapphire
royal lantern
Then dont
yeha but funny wowhead bar is slightly bigger on sub
ergo i MUST play it or im giga ultra trolling
golden loom
also on the bosses where u can play CT, it just feels like sin will do well 
just make every fight a ovinaxx reskin and sin has to be the best spec
elfin sapphire
I was just curious 
balmy condor
would be funny if it does really badly on first 5 bosses and gets buffed before ...
Nah I don’t think that’s gonna happen, think it’s more likely that it doesn’t see buffs or only smaller buffs because blizzard is well aware it’s going to obliterate execute phases
And then we see people malding and shitting themselves with rage all week
WHERE ARE THE ASSA BUFFS LOOK FIRST FIVE BOSSES
ITS SO DOGSHIT BLIZZARD SHIT AT NUMBERS
And then RWF plays it on last bosses and everyone magically forgets that they were pissed the day before and pog out
cinema
I have the script in my hand
Trust
elfin sapphire
IVE PLAYED THESE GAMES BEFORE
storm hedge
Im actually so excited to see all the people dooming assa for the last month to ...
You don't know people? It's not gonna look good on meter nor on warcraftlogs. So they still gonna doom
elfin sapphire
type shi
balmy condor
Fr fr
balmy condor
You don't know people? It's not gonna look good on meter nor on warcraftlogs. So...
Yeah true
I mean honestly it was similar in nathria, even more extreme cause assa was unplayable during the race it was so far behind
But by the time regular people got to denathrius assa was fine again
And good fucking lord it shit on denathrius
Assa when bosses have hp% phasing instead of timed
storm hedge
We got big buff in nathria didn't we. A remember swapping back to assa in nathria and being top on meters on sludgefist
balmy condor
We got big buff in nathria didn't we. A remember swapping back to assa in nathri...
We got 6 weeks in a row of buffs
storm hedge
You have very good memory, I don't really remember that 😄 I know I swapped to venthyr somewhere in the middle of patch but that's it
spice surge
And then RWF plays it on last bosses and everyone magically forgets that they we...
One of the guilds plays sub to solo the adds and the other plays assa for boss damage
So people cant make up their mind on what to play
balmy condor
You have very good memory, I don't really remember that 😄 I know I swapped to v...
Well, nathria was also really dark times in the history of assa, it’s like remembering a historical war or something
Shit was rough
balmy condor
So people cant make up their mind on what to play
Sub bursts the adds and sin does like 15% more boss damage
“But which one is better”
God I can’t wait
storm hedge
The right answer is what RL wants you to do
manic sphinx
And then RWF plays it on last bosses and everyone magically forgets that they we...
I wonder if RWF plays it in last 3 bosses (and not in first 5), how difference the gear will be? Guess they'll have to have good heroic splits for them rogues
balmy condor
It makes my fucking balls tingle just thinking about all the dumbasses showing up here in the next 1-2 weeks
elfin sapphire
pause
balmy condor
I wonder if RWF plays it in last 3 bosses (and not in first 5), how difference t...
I mean assa doesn’t care about stats all that much so it won’t matter mostly
And any swaps they would have to make are probably just handled by swapping to a ring they got from a split or m+ or something
People always think that they’re doing splits to get people like best stat most damage big op dps
golden loom
now I am in the rabbit hole of watching arms warrior in execute phase edits
balmy condor
When in reality they’re like “oh this dudes got a veteran track ring we should fix that”
manic sphinx
I thought that's the point of splits, to get the gear needed - at that 0.1% RWF levels
balmy condor
Fuck no lmao
98% of the time it’s tier/trinkets/special items
2% of the time it’s fixing ilvl on unlucky drops
The secondaries are kinda whatever
manic sphinx
98% of the time it’s tier/trinkets/special items
But yea, that's what I meant by gear?
manic sphinx
Oh but you saying that heroic vs myth wont matter then
balmy condor
I’m saying that if they have to play sub and then swap to sin
It’s not gonna make a difference
They’ll have their splits done by then anyway
manic sphinx
Ohhh, no I meant, not play rogue at all, and then bring in for last 3 for eg. But yea, I dont know anything about RWF raiding 😆
balmy condor
Oh they’re playing at least 1 rogue for strophic
All 3 specs would have to be omega shit for them not to
manic sphinx
ah i see i see
Forgot about that - thought we bring nothing to raids, buff wise, but that's a good debuff for RWF guilds I imagine
balmy condor
There’s also just talented rogue players on both teams that you probably shouldn’t reroll
Like they could play something else but like dropping the rogue player off of rogue to focus on them playing a different class and then also not having atrophic and also needing to put effort into keeping the rogue maintained as well in case it gets buffs mid week
Like that’s just a giant headache
manic sphinx
Oh yea, dont know about that. I mean I followed TGP (yea, completely different), but all the good rogues were just rerolling to anything that would give them that difference
balmy condor
It would be super dire
manic sphinx
Like they could play something else but like dropping the rogue player off of ro...
Right, that makes sense
balmy condor
Yeah TGP is slightly different because a lot of the time it’s way more degenerate
Mythic raiding the classes are actually more balanced towards in terms of what blizzards metrics aim at
manic sphinx
I see
raven light
hi, anyone got a working auto tricks tank macro? couldnt find a workin g one so far
balmy condor
M+ is tuned way under tgp levels
And then the higher it goes the more degen it gets
balmy condor
hi, anyone got a working auto tricks tank macro? couldnt find a workin g one so ...
!tott
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
also rogue being pretty much unkillable is very good in RWF progression so if you want to switch it out for another pure DPS option it probably has to be very shit
balmy condor
Yeh
spice surge
also rogue being pretty much unkillable is very good in RWF progression so if yo...
I still find it kinda wild how sub and outlaw gets to be way more tanky than assa
manic sphinx
also rogue being pretty much unkillable is very good in RWF progression so if yo...
You mean for certain mechanics?
manic sphinx
Oh, intersting - not my experience in m+, lol
golden loom
You mean for certain mechanics?
well I mean you have cloak, you have cheat death, feint, evasion
spice surge
Its the case in m+ too though
spice surge
Its only occasionally when feint doesnt work that its sketch, but most of the time you just feint and live
manic sphinx
not my experience at my levels* of m+ 😆 ...need to learn to press defensives more
golden loom
like cheat death is very broken when they are doing stuff at that low ilvl
balmy condor
not my experience at my levels* of m+ 😆 ...need to learn to press defensives m...
What levels would that be if you don’t mind me asking
slate crown
God I can’t wait
I'M SO FUCKING READY
manic sphinx
What levels would that be if you don’t mind me asking
I did 1 x 12s. It was my 3rd toon sequentially, so by then, couldn't even buy an invite to try to push higher. So ended up about 2750 io
Nope, not at all
slate crown
am I WHAT you?
balmy condor
Funneling
slate crown
this is a public channel keep it sfw
slate crown
cerulean walrus
Two daggers one hole
balmy condor
I did 1 x 12s. It was my 3rd toon sequentially, so by then, couldn't even buy a...
Yeah average m+ pug experience
slate crown
fr tho yeah I will if I'm around on tuesday but I don't know if I am I'M SORRY I'M LIKE THIS IS IS WHY I DON'T DO ACTUAL RAID RN
slate crown
FUNNEL <:POGGA:752673749555216464>
balmy condor
M+ is strange as an infinite scaling system cause people expect +7’s and +20’s to be tuned the same
When that’s just not possible
manic sphinx
Yea, definitely some breakpoitns making the difference, I feel
I didn't get to try in s1. Hopefully this time around, starting with rogue as my main and sticking with it
golden loom
actually very hyped to see what the day 1 experience is like
balmy condor
If blizzard tunes m+ anything like raid (which of course they do), they’re gonna be tuning around like 10-12 level
The same way for raid they tune around like higher end heroic level and lower end mythic
Except in raids it’s just mythic and you’re done
But in m+ sky is the limit
And things start to break down
peak bobcat
If you push keys higher than player power rewards you are mentally ill!
manic sphinx
Which is why i enjoyed TGP. The figuring out ppl have to do at those levels, must be crazy
balmy condor
You get to like 16, 17, 18, and it’s not the same game
subtle tundra
If blizzard tunes m+ anything like raid (which of course they do), they’re gonna...
i dont think tuning for 10-12 is any reasonable, 10-12 is nowhere near close to mythic raid
not even week 1
strange python
It’s where the rewards similar to mythic raid are tho
manic sphinx
i dont think tuning for 10-12 is any reasonable, 10-12 is nowhere near close to ...
Its not - which is why you only get 1 mythic gear/week at those levels 😅
balmy condor
i dont think tuning for 10-12 is any reasonable, 10-12 is nowhere near close to ...
There was some quote from bfa that they tune the classes to make sure everyone is on equal footing around reward cap
Like it was 20’s back then or whatever it was
subtle tundra
Its not - which is why you only get 1 mythic gear/week at those levels 😅
idk what gear has to do with this
you can get infinite hc level gear in a week from m+
and a very finite amount from hc raid
balmy condor
And they were like yeah you should be able to compete with everything and do good in 20’s but after that you’re on your own the community is gonna go nuts
subtle tundra
maybe theres some metric they look at such as completion rate by spec in 10
balmy condor
Yeah I mean who knows
But they definitely aren’t looking at like 15’s and going “wow yeah this is unbalanced we gotta fix that”
balmy condor
It’s gotta be Aug levels of stupid for that to happen
subtle tundra
theres other factors in 15s
other than dps
such as surviving
some specs will have worse statistics cause of not being able to survive
pastel cradle
were the dungeons nerfed post season? or did everyone just get buffed lol
balmy condor
some specs will have worse statistics cause of not being able to survive
I mean I agree that they should probably be more cognizant of higher levels cause the trickle down effect in m+ is insane, but it’s really hard to convince blizzard to do that game-wide
Like it’s very basic game design rules that you don’t tune your game versus your best players
Cause you just ruin it for everyone under that
subtle tundra
cause like ww this season, i was doing decent dps in 10s and then do 15 with better pulls and shit, my dps was dogshit cause spec doesnt scale with targets
balmy condor
Wow is still a very causal game so it’s kinda rough for blizzard I’m ngl
They either stick to tuning like mid range stuff to balance it for the most players they can
Or they try to tune for more skilled players and end up ruining the perception of stuff lower down
subtle tundra
Wow is still a very causal game so it’s kinda rough for blizzard I’m ngl
yeah but balancing realistically shouldnt affect them
balmy condor
They run into that problem with Aug literally every patch
balmy condor
Aug on a good player vs Aug on a heroic raider
Is literally unrecognizable
Idk how they can fix that
spice surge
There was an interveiw a couple of years ago when Ion talked about how in one patch brewmasters was (by their metrics) incredibly strong but there was practically nobody playing it.
And he talked about how they cant really buff it as its already so strong, but if they dont buff it people wont play it
balmy condor
Yeah
manic sphinx
cause like ww this season, i was doing decent dps in 10s and then do 15 with bet...
reminds me of my last m+ run. smoked by a ww and ret, and told i need to imrpve my dps in a 10 😦
balmy condor
Tuning is really ugly
subtle tundra
reminds me of my last m+ run. smoked by a ww and ret, and told i need to imrpve...
if it was this week, then yeah ww gonna smoke you
balmy condor
Especially in m+ when you get the +7’s declining people cause need shaman
spice surge
And how tuning doesnt really matter, all that matters is the community perception of tuning
subtle tundra
if it was during the season, they are right
wind totem
Do we play around supercharged combo points now with the new shiv during lingering darkness?
golden loom
And he talked about how they cant really buff it as its already so strong, but i...
same shit happens in league also, like there are times where the most broken champs see no play at all in either general play or pro play, but then riot makes like a placebo buff, and suddenly everyone plays it and its super broken and has to get nerfed
balmy condor
Do we play around supercharged combo points now with the new shiv during lingeri...
No it’s still 7 like always
manic sphinx
if it was this week, then yeah ww gonna smoke you
nah it was last week, but i still couldn't even get my cd out before stuff just died
spice surge
Especially in m+ when you get the +7’s declining people cause need shaman
You play with shamans because theyre meta.
I play with shamans because my spec feels horrible without skyfury, we are not the same 
subtle tundra
nah it was last week, but i still couldn't even get my cd out before stuff just ...
should've bleedmaxxed
buddy
manic sphinx
still learning 🤷♂️ 😬
balmy condor
You play with shamans because theyre meta.
I play with shamans because my spec f...
You play with shamans because your spec feels horrible without sky fury, I don’t play m+
We are not the same
(I am much happier)
past oracle
tired oyster
By 11.1.5 we will all be playing shaman
manic sphinx
Sorry, minor question - does whetstone go on both our weps, or only mainhand?
spice surge
both
manic sphinx
ok thx
meager zodiac
What spec is looking to be the best in m+?
strange python
What spec is looking to be the best in m+?
Pick one besides outlaw unless you don’t have any sanity already, in that case pick one of the three
grave osprey
By 11.1.5 we will all be playing shaman
Assa getting 10% buff by then
If we dont take without a trace, we go two points into lethality, correct? (In m+)
leaden talon
It makes my fucking balls tingle just thinking about all the dumbasses showing u...
stamp it chat, if were already here we dont coontribute to ball tingle
fast mural
isnt worth to farms 7s and go craft giga dagger 1st week with ascension?
spice surge
If you dont have a myth track mainhand crafting a dagger is likely the best craft you can do yes
fast mural
a dagger drops on 3d boss Mythic track
manic quartz
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