assassination

[fast mural]

sad that i am otp good rogue

[humble verge]

honestly

[fast mural]

so guildies say you play rogue

[humble verge]

you can be competitively good at anything

[fast mural]

ofc

[humble verge]

literally, one of the best DHs in the world is currently in my guild somehow

[fast mural]

but still you are not that optimal like others

[humble verge]

atleast according to his raid logs

[fast mural]

they should already buff sin at least 3-4% more

[humble verge]

why?

[fast mural]

to sim as the other classes instead of bottom

[static glacier]

do you realise

if we simmed the same as shit like frostmage

in reality we'd do like 15% more dps

[humble verge]

huh

[fast mural]

wat :p

[static glacier]

alright hear me out

[fast mural]

We have pocketpick ?

[static glacier]

nahy

[fast mural]

Joker/

[static glacier]

a lot of other specs have apls with

lets say somewhat unrealistic conditions

e.g for frost they can cast 24/7 and their target never moves

while we can also lose dps the fact is our damage is quite loaded into burst compared to others

in addition we seem to consistently perform well compared to our sims relative to other classes, maybe it means sin is easy

[fast mural]

Have you seeenn the raid bro :p

[static glacier]

new one? nah I hear its split cleave

ill worry about it on wednesday xd

[ionic hill]

This is top tier cope

[humble verge]

im going into the new raid knowing nothing

[fast mural]

yea not kida melee friendly

[static glacier]

regardless if sin is a top simming spec it will absolutely savage meters

since we already compete for top 5 st while simming in bottom half

[fast mural]

didnt say top

[haughty flicker]

ive heard this before

[fast mural]

about 2.4-25

[haughty flicker]

and before that

and before that

and before that

[static glacier]

I mean you could argue this raid had a few melee unfriendly fights

[humble verge]

ive kinda told myself

im gonna keep playing assa

[static glacier]

kyveza was the biggest one imo

[humble verge]

for the rest of the expac

as long as we dont get royally fucked over

or i can still make up for whatever royally fucks us over

[fast mural]

kiveza was file for rogue at least

Fine*

[static glacier]

the number of melee you could reasonably bring was quite limited

intermission gets v fucked if you stack over like 8 melee

[fast mural]

i think we were 7 or 8 + hpala

[humble verge]

you say that, but i was #1 on all our pulls 😼

[static glacier]

it wasn't melee unfriendly bc of damage dude

[haughty flicker]

yeah theres always a few, but going into every raid you'd think blizzard personally shot the family of every melee player

[balmy condor]

I heard so many people shitting on the next raid as not melee friendly but during testing it felt about as friendly or unfriendly as s1 idk

felt pretty normal

[humble verge]

then i dont get the unfriendlyness

[static glacier]

the fight design itself made it so you'd suffer if you had say 12 melee

[humble verge]

yeah that way

[fast mural]

I just see videos, havent rly tried on PTR

only dungeons

[static glacier]

think less dps meter and more ease of killing

[humble verge]

im glad im finally in a guild that HAS more ranged than melee

hooooly

[humble verge]

you should know by now, my intelligence is quite low and ive already dropped out of uni because of it

[fast mural]

@balmy condor Did you done on HC?

[static glacier]

respect the commitment, im still coping im not a dumbass

[balmy condor]

did I done what

[fast mural]

the new raid

[balmy condor]

I was there for all the testing

even did a run on normal

[humble verge]

i chipped in once on that train-thingy boss you were on

was there 5 minutes then left

[fast mural]

It was smoothy for melee?

[humble verge]

cause i wanna go in the ballsdeep no knowledge

in there*

[balmy condor]

It was fine

I mean there's always mechanics where you're not on the boss 100% of the time

we're not hitting target dummies

but idk, it didn't strike me as omegatroll insano bad melee tier

[fast mural]

yea like you had 98,5-99 + ?

[static glacier]

what was the worst melee tier in history anyway?

[balmy condor]

idfk

[earnest remnant]

crucible of storms

[balmy condor]

uunat

yeah

[fast mural]

castle nathria was bad for melee

[balmy condor]

was it

[static glacier]

nathria was ok

[earnest remnant]

CN was fine

[balmy condor]

yeah

[humble verge]

???

did you play CN??

[fast mural]

i remember everyone rerolling to ranged

y

[humble verge]

watafak

[static glacier]

we ended up stacking ranged ontop of melee in the later bosses anyway

[balmy condor]

I mean if nathria was bad for melee then every raid is bad for melee

[humble verge]

i had no problem playing ALL the rogue specs

in CN

CN was an actual fun raid

[fast mural]

xd

[earnest remnant]

cn had like a million unholy dks

[humble verge]

if it wasnt for 9.1

[static glacier]

nathria was bad for rogue, sure

[humble verge]

taking 300 years

holy

[manic coral]

idk i feel like the only boss that was a bit wack was xymox

[humble verge]

shit.

[fast mural]

i mean ok bro

[static glacier]

but bad for melee in general nah

[fast mural]

didnt said you cant play rogue on CN

[humble verge]

besides sun boss

[fast mural]

just what was good

[humble verge]

cant really see anywhere

oh well

[static glacier]

nathria iirc was afflock, uh dk, fire, boomkin and at points MM

[humble verge]

2nd boss was also kinda urgh

[static glacier]

from memory those were meta

[fast mural]

arti ?

[static glacier]

spriest pure st too

[earnest remnant]

that was world 1st denath

[humble verge]

can probably go back and check

[static glacier]

Im quite confident

[earnest remnant]

which is an 8-6 split

[static glacier]

wf comp backs up what I said too

[earnest remnant]

which is rather normal

[humble verge]

oh nvm

forgot they wont show that old data

cause they actually wanna save money

[fast mural]

yea unholy op

[earnest remnant]

compared to uunat

there is 1 melee xD

outside of the two tanks and a healer

[fast mural]

XD

So it was a bad tier for melee

[earnest remnant]

those 2 bosses just werent designed with melee in mind

but also there was a slight reason for it

ank totem was beyond broken for this fight

[static glacier]

tbh when someone says bad for melee / good for melee that to me means something about the fight design fundamentally screws melee

e,g a TON of forced downtime that ranged don't have

if it's a case of affliction st just being overtuned compared to rogue or warrior

[fast mural]

yea what else could it be

[static glacier]

that's less a case of bad for melee

[fast mural]

bad tuning and anti mleee fight

[static glacier]

and more a case of tuning just favours the dps that happens to be ranged

[fast mural]

what else

[static glacier]

you're not understanding me

[earnest remnant]

they dont really make "anti" melee fights anymore

[static glacier]

saying bad for melee implies the reason its bad is bc of something being melee

not bc of shit tuning

[fast mural]

when you design a fight

and you know melees will have bad uptime, it should consider better to give more power to melees and less to ranges?

so the game is more balanced?

[static glacier]

the power we have is two main things

1. we can fully dps on the move when we are in melee

[humble verge]

man

maybe its time for some schleep

its 6am

[static glacier]

2. we typically have better free cleave / lower ramp up time to aoe

there's exceptions to these rules in both camps but they generally hold true

[earnest remnant]

also pisslow uptime fights

dont exists

[fast mural]

I understand what ar eyou saying

[static glacier]

normally if melee have downtime there will be a mechanic in the fight that forces casters to have to move

[fast mural]

but i am working with logic

[static glacier]

so they lose damage

[fast mural]

doesnt work always like that

[static glacier]

can't really think of a fight for us that had atrocious uptime and ranged got to payphone

[haughty flicker]

any fight you play bm on

[fast mural]

i can't recall neither it's too late

xd

[static glacier]

bm is deffo the biggest rule breaker

followed by fire imo

these specs are just illegal

[humble verge]

the thing is

[static glacier]

on the flipside both do need uptime and hate fights with intermissions

[humble verge]

mage will never be bad

ever

[static glacier]

and forced downtime

[humble verge]

atleast not fury warrior nerf bad

[rotund oak]

Shadowlthi

[earnest remnant]

higher chance of me playing outlaw

and that is 0,000000000001% chance

[rotund oak]

ok,thats fair

and respectable

[humble verge]

i almost pushed to the darkside of fotm rolling

well i did level up and gear a dk and a shaman atleast

but none of the specs were fun to play

[ionic hill]

Are we actual m+ aoe gods now or is it just some random ppl being high on hopium

[rotund oak]

we are gods

[ionic hill]

Well time to quit till s3

[rotund oak]

Rogue's fiiiiine

[rocky zodiac]

Is there a target Dummy thats Level 80, Not in dornogal and doesnt drop HP to 0? Ogrimmar gets to execute range real fast

[solar wyvern]

So is this no kingsbane thing real or is it just a meme, did some assa ptr keys just playing 2x lethality supercharger, with Sudden demise standard build and felt like i was way more useful than bleed build

Skill issue?

[rotund oak]

u havent passed the trials yet

need to purge the outlaw in you

[balmy condor]

dropping kb is less st but the argument is that you wouldn't do st anyway so fuck it we ball

[haughty flicker]

reject boss damage embrace overall

[runic basin]

They net to tune our set

[balmy condor]

do they?

[solar wyvern]

Its less prio damage too tho isn't it? Amp poison kinda slaps

[balmy condor]

our set is like directly on par

[silk sundial]

So how would you buff our st/raid output without making us absolutely broken in m+? Nerf caustic, buff bleeds, tune tier?

[balmy condor]

not really

[solar wyvern]

Hmm maybe i give it some more practice it just felt bad to me

[runic basin]

It sims less then old 2p + new 2p or right or is it old data

[spice spire]

Oh god novella time

[golden loom]

Is the ring nerf big?

[flint siren]

[haughty flicker]

not for us

[agile swan]

Then who for?

[haughty flicker]

i have no idea how it impacts other specs/classes

[agile swan]

I thought u mean exactly for a different rogue spec

[balmy condor]

(not all together, but just general ideas you can jumble together)

buff poisons, buff kb (either cap, scale, instant damage), nerf caustic, make carnage 1 additional, buff scent of blood for more prio, buff bone spike, buff doomblade, buff vicious venoms, buff supercharger, nerf ct, nerf momentum of despair, buff symbolic victory (basically every shiv talent), buff dashing (the crit rate specifically, the energy isn't tune-able), buff baseline mut/ambush, buff the actual deathstalker mark itself (in place of darkest night/momentum carrying the tree)

[balmy condor]

yeh this just means the old two needs a nerf

but that also seems old 2.22m I assume

that's kinda low

idk where that's from

[runic basin]

Yes true

[balmy condor]

probably close enough though

tier sets are kinda supposed to be around 8-9%

so our new 4 being 8% is kinda right where it should be

like yeah maybe you can buff it a little more but idk seems kinda fine

[runic basin]

Do u have different sims then fuu?

[balmy condor]

I mean I do my sims

fuu does his own thing idk what he sims or doesn't sim

I have no part in that

[runic basin]

So we need to hope for some more tuning or swap to sub

[balmy condor]

or play assa yes

[haughty flicker]

i love how everyone in the sin channel wants to swap to sub and everyone in the sub channel wants to swap to sin

[runic basin]

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just no one has a fucking clue what they're talking about

and the people that do have a clue are saying who gives a shit

[solar wyvern]

Just play all 3 specs and watch what kush and exile do next week

[agile swan]

Yeah, right. I dont even know what the fck i should do, switch, pick, or anything else.

[solar wyvern]

Copycat time

[runic hinge]

Give me all of these

[grand trail]

Sub must be very strong spec since it get two nerfs in row

[haughty flicker]

counterpoint

outlaw must be best balanced spec since its untouched

[balmy condor]

the people who can afford to play on the knifes edge of balancing sure as hell aren't in here moaning about what spec to play I'll tell you that

[rotund oak]

we have ppl saying sin cares about stats,think its time to start a coup,purge outlaw from this sacred discord

[balmy condor]

let them think whatever they want

idk

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915185042161665/1344774712689164359/image.png?ex=67c3740c&is=67c2228c&hm=f09cd8021925df478dba38c46d08f3f998debd0761653d8a020b561eab606cc5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[agile swan]

Cuz no one gives a fck about outlaw

[haughty flicker]

this patch is about assassinating a ceo

therefore assassination is the best spec

[solar wyvern]

Hey! If the robots tellin me to build haste then i care about building haste madge

[grand trail]

Ppl saying assa is new PI spec with recent buff

[solar wyvern]

Noway

[golden loom]

All I care about is parsing, and then it doesnt matter what the dps actually is as long as the parse number goes up 😎

[balmy condor]

who are these "ppl"

[solar wyvern]

Firemage and Bm hunter are in this game

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-cat-shaking-black-cat-gif-10360185503342402570

[rotund oak]

follow the robot yes,that doesnt mean haste applies everywhere 😛

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ofc

[agile swan]

Done

Done

Decided

[grand trail]

Ppl of spreading misinformation

[agile swan]

The whole universe knows im a fckin Subtlety

[grand trail]

We raid in Thursday so I will watch you guys what you play on Wednesday and decides based on that

[rotund oak]

im very sorry for our sub brothers

that will have to endure the outlaw madness

my heart is with them

[hearty seal]

ngl I don't think we're seeing anything along this scale (not necessarily along those lines lul) at least until 11.1.5, or, more realistically, 11.2

[solar wyvern]

I played KS outlaw since they buffed trickster, my brain has gone mad

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh probably not this patch for bigger st buffs

[rotund oak]

it takes time to come back to normal friend,baby steps..

[solar wyvern]

its fine I'll just use KS as a defensive

Time dilation on a 10 second cooldown

What could go wrong?

[rotund oak]

idk,lego deathparsing?

[hearty seal]

is this the "they can't hurt you if you're already dead" strat?

[solar wyvern]

I use the killingspree, to dodge the swirls!

Its like I'm john matrix from "The Matrix"

[hearty seal]

buff dashing (the crit rate specifically, the energy isn't tune-able)
hmm
why? would making it 2 energy per proc too strong?

[solar wyvern]

Insanely strong

You're not increasing it by 1, you're doubling the regen

[balmy condor]

yes lmao

2 energy dashing is a capstone talent

[hearty seal]

interesting
might have to look at logs to see how much regen it provides

(but also, what about 1.2 or 1.4)

[balmy condor]

how would that work

[solar wyvern]

In m+ i play dashing with supercharge/lethality. Dashing is about 500-600 energy on a boss fight

[hearty seal]

unless they store energy as an int, pretty easily?

[solar wyvern]

Thats a lot of envenoms

[hearty seal]

if it's a float, that just works

[balmy condor]

yes surely

I'm sure nothing could go wrong with just adding decimals into things

why not

yolo

[hearty seal]

well there's also a very stupid way of doing 1.2
hidden buff that tracks procs and adds +1 every fifth proc

surely nobody would do it that way
surely

[runic hinge]

Remember when assa was like The premier ST spec cause we have one of the few dps cds that only affect one target.

Now look at us

Aoe monsters praying for ST buffs

[balmy condor]

brother you're talking about blizzard here

[hearty seal]

'member when blizz games had a reputation for being bug-free and polished?
I 'member

[balmy condor]

yeh

back when they actually gave themselves time

[hearty seal]

also when working for their QA didn't pay less than rent in Cali

[onyx falcon]

is there an early dps sim for 11.1 yet? just curious how the diff rogue specs are ranking

[robust axle]

We just got buffed/nerfed last night

[runic hinge]

#1 2 and 3

[robust axle]

So youll have to wait a bit for new numbers

[hearty seal]

what, again?

[onyx falcon]

ah mk, in general are rogues like... mid? low mid? bottom?

[hearty seal]

Assassination
All ability damage increased by 4%.
Subtlety
Secret Technique damage reduced by 5%.
Liberation of Undermine 2-piece set bonus – Winning Streak! max stacks reduced to 8 (was 10).```
huh for real

[robust axle]

Seems like High mid, low and trashcan

[onyx falcon]

oooof

[hearty seal]

wait what
which is which

assa/outlaw/sub?

[robust axle]

As of now, Sub high mid, Sin low mid but creeping up and is very good on last three, Outlaw unplayable

[hearty seal]

rip pirate dudes

[onyx falcon]

why cant we return to DF where pirates were actually playable

[runic hinge]

Pirate is playable

Idk what the hyperbole is

[solar wyvern]

Outlaw will be fine, its just always had a bad profile for raid

[ionic matrix]

I mean in a world of damage amps, straightline dam isn't very good

[robust axle]

Bad profile for raid, and legit in the dumpster for m+ XD

[runic hinge]

There’s like zero amps this raid

[solar wyvern]

First boss!

Hehe

[ionic matrix]

There's literally a damage amp on boss one.

Not that boss one matters

[runic hinge]

Okay there’s zero amps on relevant bosses

[robust axle]

Doesnt make pirate less shit

[slate crown]

sub or assa which way western man

[runic hinge]

pirate has the highest sims of the 3 specs so why do people come in and ask for sims and not just play pirate

[balmy condor]

that's not really a fair comparison though, the assa rogue in your details meters sucks huge dong

[robust axle]

It literally is every single tier

[ionic matrix]

It always has highest sims because it always is impossible to play at sim level

[runic hinge]

can't be shit if it sims high!

you guys are gaslighting me

[ionic matrix]

Its been as high as 140k ahead and still was worst spec in reality

Now dam is higher overall, it sims less than 140 ahead

Make it make sense

[vernal pine]

1/10 rage bait kekw

[hearty seal]

apm is too high, I expect

[ionic matrix]

It's not just the apm, it's also the fact that the server literally isn't fast enough

It takes too long to give free combo points on bte and you need a sound wa to know whether or not youve procced

It just invites tiny mistakes

[haughty flicker]

thats a ui issue not a server issue

base ui combo points have a delay

dont have that issue with a wa

[ionic matrix]

i use a wa, and it's still slow.

[haughty flicker]

its uh

not the server

lmao

[balmy condor]

I don't think the server is ahead, I think he's actually just aheaad

like he perceives reality a half second faster than the rest of us

could be true

[haughty flicker]

dude is using the speed force

i get it

[ionic matrix]

Nerf him

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-run-fast-gif-6144593

[lethal arrow]

jerked him off at light speed

[balmy condor]

yeah yeah exactly

[lethal arrow]

it was him barry

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-me-barry-original-flash-reverse-flash-gif-16579891338034607240

[golden loom]

eobard thawne my goat

[haughty flicker]

I MADE YOUR COMBO POINTS UPDATE A MILLISECOND LATE

AND RUINED YOUR DPS

[runic hinge]

quake is washed

[lofty junco]

is sub that broken that this get asked so many time?

assa gameplay best^^

[normal mist]

Yes

Yes it is

[robust axle]

XD

[normal mist]

God give whispyr some strength because he'll need it in the upcoming weeks

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bugs-bunny-bugs-bunny-prayer-prayer-the-bugs-bunny-and-roadrunner-movie-gif-3126974148734512238

[haughty flicker]

god wants nothing to do with this discord

[fleet walrus]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[normal mist]

Real

[lofty junco]

wasn't meant as a meme or something. was a genuine question from my side

[normal mist]

Oh I wasn't memeing

[runic hinge]

Need the rwf rogues to all play sub every boss and we shall be saved

[normal mist]

Every small patch of every expansion is the same

[lofty junco]

if just sub gameplay weren't that annoying...wait then why do i mainly see outlaw and assa but bbarely any sub rogues, if sub is that broken?

[hearty seal]

even Sin-ners deserve forgiveness and grace

[balmy condor]

sub was broken on test realms, not live

[lofty junco]

[balmy condor]

people are just starting to prep it for raid next week

[lofty junco]

oh was that the tierset nerf u talked about in your video?

[balmy condor]

yeah

and then they got another one

[lofty junco]

basicly nerfed into the ground to get it in line with the other rogue specs?^^

[balmy condor]

idk bout into the ground

but the tier got brought in line, and sub was compensated to be a little less than before

[normal mist]

The real information is yet to be seen

Which is when the raid released and logs exist

(and I'm not even talking tuning in the upcoming weeks too)

((which will most likely happen))

[ionic matrix]

I think the important thing to note about the nerfs was that every top spec got nerfed, not just sub. It was probably good to lower the ceiling a bit and tighten tuning overall

[lofty junco]

i don't think i enjoyed sub ever since they reworked it together with combat in legion

was my favorite specc in WoD

[robust axle]

Thats all fine until they rebuffed BM 🙂

[ionic matrix]

True and real.

[normal mist]

WoD was probably the only expansion I tried all 3 and enjoyed them to a degree

[lofty junco]

rebuffed bm?

[ionic matrix]

4-5% overall bm buff

Bm probably gonna be legit

[lofty junco]

the mastery where your dots bleed out faster was rly enjoyable. it needed lots of Weakauras. but it was very fun to play

[supple spindle]

hey guys, my guild appointed me to play rogue this season in raid and im kinda lost, there are no updates rotation-wise this season? mostly playing for envenom buff uptime in st, right?

[robust axle]

Look at the pins mate

[supple spindle]

ye just saw it

my bad

[balmy condor]

not playing for envenom uptime

[rocky zodiac]

Un loaded my Twist the knife WA

[supple spindle]

There is one rotational change for single target encounters for +0.5%. The idea is a dry shiv during lingering darkness. DRY SHIV MY ASS

[rocky zodiac]

Felt wrong

[tame lake]

Anyone having an issue with the following macro "#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null"

Its not casting Thistle Tea

[rocky zodiac]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

been working fine for me all patch

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hello-darkness-kermit-my-old-friend-drm-gif-9482307

[tame lake]

Yeah I'm not sure what the issue is but. When I shiv it doesnt cast Thistle Tea

[rocky zodiac]

Resisting the urge to follow Up with Lyrics

[balmy condor]

is your macro actually on your bars

and your stealth bar perhaps

subterfuge gaming

[tame lake]

I have it added to both

[balmy condor]

dunno

[ionic matrix]

Are you out of thistle tea when you try to use it?

[tame lake]

no

[ionic matrix]

Hmmm

[lofty junco]

look if u have a old thistle tea consumeable in your bank or something

[tame lake]

oh I do for sure

[lofty junco]

delete them and it should work. was the case for me

[ionic matrix]

No shot

[runic hinge]

that makes sense

[ionic matrix]

Holy...

[runic hinge]

it did the same to me but I just deleted the delay and it worked tbh

[balmy condor]

I always forget that people hold onto like 35 year old thistle tea

for some god forsaken reason

[ionic matrix]

Immersion

[golden loom]

ageing it like wine

[lofty junco]

good old times^^

[tame lake]

look at all my charges

[balmy condor]

but why

[tame lake]

Never know when youll need it

😄

[ionic matrix]

Because he has it

And you don't

If youre a broke boi, just say so.

[golden loom]

you still got Light of Elune waiting for the perfect time where a 10 sec immunity is needed?

[tame lake]

Works like a charm

[ionic matrix]

Thats crazy

What a fix

Gg sena

[lofty junco]

i still remember. cause i had the same issue like 2 weeks ago

[tame lake]

I appreciate the help! I was ready to take my lashings for asking for help in discord.

I thought the next question was going to be if I was logged into the game.

You know the typical tech support responses

[golden loom]

no wonder my solutions didnt work when it was some weird interaction like that

[runic hinge]

it's the hoarder i have deep down inside me

[balmy condor]

we only bite on demand

[lofty junco]

wee are usualy only mean to outlaws^^

[jade abyss]

how i hhave to write a macro with a spell id instead with a name?

[balmy condor]

you can't

[jade abyss]

dayum

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[rocky zodiac]

Glad you Guys werent mean to me xD

[rotund oak]

Lisonnapump

[rocky zodiac]

Although i think Whispyr rolled His eyes over a couple of my questions

[balmy condor]

it's like a good stretch

I roll my eyes 360 degrees reading this channel

forwards and backwards

gotta get em movin

make sure they're lubed up in the back too

[magic fossil]

im watching kush steram, seems like full bleed build is stronger than regular/kb one

weird times

[runic hinge]

is he playing kb or no

[magic fossil]

no kb

[runic hinge]

hot

[magic fossil]

and probably 30 apm

what a slow build

just bleed.

[dark thorn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic fossil]

and thats it

[balmy condor]

kinda weird considering it has the exact same energy talents as any other build

but if you say so

[magic fossil]

maybe i dont express myself correct, he was with 2 trinkets passives and no kb

[normal mist]

We can still change that

[magic fossil]

so dont have so much buttons to push

not about energy

or something

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess 1 less button

still the same rotation though, just not pressing kb

[magic fossil]

sim, and sudden demise very strong

in aoe hes doing amazing

boss not so much

[balmy condor]

yeh

[magic fossil]

but, seems very ok :)))

[balmy condor]

that is the point of it

st already sucks

why bother trying to make it good

[magic fossil]

HAHAHA

i like the way u think mate

let at least have something really good

its beyond salvation st

so lets blast aoe

[balmy condor]

I mean that's how kush has been explaining it too

for some reason though people only listen when he says it

maybe it's cause I don't have the accent or something

[magic fossil]

did you run the numbers on 4% buff todya whispyr?

[balmy condor]

yep

[magic fossil]

and? same shit?

[balmy condor]

and pins

[golden loom]

wait every time a new addon update available, the game crash happens

[magic fossil]

oh, right

mb

[normal mist]

Game doesn't want you to play it

[golden loom]

did not have a crash for a long time, and now I got one and insta refreshed curseforge and theres a raider io update available

[rotund oak]

kush is rizzin' alot u dont,ild say ur voice is better to the ear than kush's

[magic fossil]

lul, we are talking exaclty about ur pin, hahaha and i thinking i was showing something new for you

[balmy condor]

nah it's the accent for sure

[magic fossil]

hahahah

[red bloom]

Gotta be a degenerat swede

[golden loom]

kush really does have the most swedish accent possible

[balmy condor]

I should train an ai voice changer on kush vods and then just like

say the same things I would normally say

through the kush filter

and see if that helps

[rotund oak]

Kushception

[magic fossil]

hahahah c'mon man, you are one of the most important voices around here

dont be like that 😄

[balmy condor]

yeah sure until mplussers show up

then all of a sudden it's christopher columbus discovering the new world

[magic fossil]

we will have you vs zero this season?

[balmy condor]

A BUILD??????

WITHOUT KB??????

[magic fossil]

double vanish collidion again

[balmy condor]

NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW??????

[balmy condor]

heard he's playing caster now

[magic fossil]

awwwww

thats was an amazing day, you and seli proving with numbers

and hes fighting back with "love?"

idk hahahahaa

i was funny tho

it*

[runic hinge]

He's playing blindside tho

must be for proc dopamine

[grim jay]

you should just collaborate with musclebrah

[normal mist]

We should have a separate channel just for m+ Andy's, and leave this channel purely for raiding.
Whispyrs mental would appreciate

[balmy condor]

not a believer in the giga shiv

[normal mist]

Like a containment zone

[golden loom]

not running tinytoxic sounds weird tho with 2x 8 target shivs

[grim jay]

you mean like we have a separate channel for outlaws and they still flood the sin channel sometimes

[normal mist]

... You got me there

They aren't that bad

[grim jay]

they are worse than m+ andys

[normal mist]

They have atleast one (1) person I like

[balmy condor]

does he even still play

I looked at his youtube the other day out of curiosity and his last video was like fucking 5 years ago

[grim jay]

thats a good question

didnt hear anything for a long time either

[brazen fern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

I feel like shiv has a huge range for some reason

[balmy condor]

ye

[runic hinge]

like I will open with garrotes and not pull extra stuff and then shiv and i get 2 extra mobs

[balmy condor]

arterial is a large boy

[runic hinge]

hell yeah, huge shiv

[grim jay]

I still didnt finish undermine questing

how is it so boring

[runic hinge]

I got no quests on my map left

Can I get sojouner this week or what

[narrow cypress]

No we’re 1 short this week

Part of the whole 7 days convincing gazlowe

[grim jay]

I hate questing and goblins

unlucky

[bronze pike]

@balmy condor

is sin better than sub now?

are we meta again?

[grim jay]

one day he will just ban someone outright

[radiant raven]

Give me the SecTec damage back

[bronze pike]

no

i can only draw u a thicc lady

[runic hinge]

I don’t think that’s what I’m waiting on

I realize the campaign is timegated but I got like 3 quest lines from the optional quests that aren’t done

[radiant raven]

There's only one that doesn't seem to be active atm

Did you do the two in Ringing Deeps?

[runic hinge]

Must not have

[radiant raven]

Verdigrease Knight and uh.. I wanna say it was Hazards of SLimediving?

Oh, no. Sanity's Rest.

Both of those are in Ringing Deeps

[runic hinge]

Aight I’ll go find them

[radiant raven]

Verdigrease Knight absolutely rules. Fantastic little chain.

[runic hinge]

Does oh rats make me do the delve

[peak bobcat]

No

[radiant raven]

No, it's just out of the way

[runic hinge]

Hmm

[peak bobcat]

It makes you go to bfa

And the kaja one

[radiant raven]

I want to say it starts here.

Roughly this area anyway

Undermine has a lot of good rat content.

[dawn stump]

Regarding Oh Rats, you might have the quest already and not realise it, should check to see if you have the Rat Language potion in your bags

[runic hinge]

Oh I do

[dawn stump]

bugged out for me where I couldn't see it in my quest log until I took a big gulp

[runic hinge]

Makes sense

[subtle tundra]

r we meta

[runic hinge]

Always have been

[covert jewel]

all these chains give rep?

[radiant raven]

Yeah

[covert jewel]

so they somewhat mandatory to reach 7? im missing like 2k

[grim jay]

reaching renown 7

couldnt be me

[rocky zodiac]

What does renown 7 give as a reward?

[covert jewel]

veteran track boots u can upgrade up to 645

crit mastery iirc

[sharp viper]

I wake up to 4% ability dmg buff

i mean better than nothing

probably still just a fart in the wind

[subtle tundra]

considering sub got nerfed

ill take it as an assa nerf too

cause it means less gear

LOL

[teal lark]

assa still behind sub in ST right?

[balmy condor]

varas whats your favorite m+ build

[subtle tundra]

assa needed like a 15% ST to be near sub

[subtle tundra]

erm

id say bleed

not demise maxing

bleed

[balmy condor]

so with kb?

[subtle tundra]

yuh

[balmy condor]

+1.6% merry christmas

[magic fossil]

hahahahaah

[subtle tundra]

its march

[balmy condor]

no it's not varas

I made your build better

it's crimmus

[subtle tundra]

ok its crismus

am i gonna

ct on st?

[balmy condor]

merry crimmus

yeah

[subtle tundra]

yeah you can take that 1.6% back

[balmy condor]

:(

but I cooked this meal for you

[subtle tundra]

and its warm!

just like piss is when i drink it

[balmy condor]

okay okay, but I have

another 1.3%

[subtle tundra]

honestly i cant point out anything i like about assa anymore man

not even iron wire since its such a big dps loss

[balmy condor]

okay but you don't have to mut on 6

[subtle tundra]

OPA

[balmy condor]

merry crimmus?

[subtle tundra]

do i fok...

[warm vortex]

I was gonna ping you whisp and ask if sub was better than Assa but it’s already being talked about grrrr

Was gonna say like
“Hasn’t been asked in 3 min” but it has

Sadge

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

haha cbt me

monkeys paw curls i swear

on this spec

[hardy rapids]

whispyr do you even sleep

[warm vortex]

He does just when everyone is awake

[hardy rapids]

I don’t believe it. He’s not human

[balmy condor]

:(

I BAKE A CAKE

AND YOURE DIABETIC

[wary relic]

going to go with the standard argument, unless assa is super dumbster, it will always be better for prog due to not suffering to down time and dealing with mechanics as much as sub does, sub is always better for reclears and bosses youve sunk some hours into

[balmy condor]

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

[subtle tundra]

i cooked for my mom today ❤️

[balmy condor]

I did

I do

I have

[balmy condor]

nice cope btw

[magic fossil]

thats a lie, its maplestory and work. Last time u sleep we are in legion

[subtle tundra]

thats why sub was played in nerubar right

[balmy condor]

yeh yeh

[subtle tundra]

cause assa is better

[balmy condor]

and amirdrassil

and abberus

and vault

[golden loom]

you know which spec that has no downtime? outlaw 🔥

[wary relic]

same thing with last tier everyone was dooming and going sub at the start and assa comes out on top

[balmy condor]

what

they played sub this tier

[subtle tundra]

yeah buddy getting buffed over and over means we get better than sub eventually

also who cares about which spec is 2% better when dps is irrelevant 3 months into the raid

[covert jewel]

i recently was surprised when rewatching liquids wf kills to see exile in assa at court, but queen indeed was killed with sub

[subtle tundra]

he said it was a mistake

btw

[covert jewel]

lmao

[balmy condor]

also sub does legit 0 damage between cd phases

and sin is spamming envenom 24/7

so who really is suffering from downtime

[subtle tundra]

outlaw

[balmy condor]

(both still, they're melee specs that need to auto all the time but like hypothetically in this fantasy world)

[wary relic]

well tbf sub isnt as bad anymore with the rework, used to be super bad bc cds wouldnt allign etc

[subtle tundra]

TRICK QUESTION

[balmy condor]

which rework though

[covert jewel]

aka dust removal lul

[balmy condor]

cause they've been playing sub on prog since the start of shadowlands

[lusty kraken]

guys is assa better than sub now???

[warm vortex]

But auto attack by 1200% so we don’t get downtime

[covert jewel]

[royal lantern]

sub was literally the overall best rogue spec for most of Shadowlands and Dragonflight lol

tf you mean

[peak bobcat]

bro assas wasnt even playable outside of st bosses until the last patch of df

[wary relic]

anyway was just giving my general thoughts, ill always roll assa its just whats comfortable, chase those r1 parses

[balmy condor]

yeah but think about all the bleed damage for the downtime

[warm vortex]

Guys I think they should just nerf fury warrior again

[balmy condor]

all checks notes 15% of it

[peak bobcat]

they should buff garrote by 300%

thats the only good button

[warm vortex]

Make it FoK spam again

[grand trail]

This channel look angry after two buffs in row

How so

[peak bobcat]

crimson tempest should be a garrote damage modifier

[subtle tundra]

cause first buff was an aoe buff, which assa was already one of the best in the game at

[golden loom]

people need to get out of the kitchen!!

[balmy condor]

people are happy about the buffs, they're just not happy that st sucks

[golden loom]

stop cooking

[royal lantern]

if assa applies rupture and waljs away

and sub applies ruoture and walks away

isnt sub doing more dmg

[balmy condor]

not anymore actually

our ruptures are better

[subtle tundra]

end of an era

[grand trail]

Pog

[balmy condor]

not by much but ya know

small W

[royal lantern]

holy shit

[grand trail]

What if we play finality and our rupture 30% better tho

[royal lantern]

time to buff envenom by 20%

[grim jay]

Oh boy, did someone unleash the downtime argument?

[grim jay]

Our era will never end girl

[wary relic]

Should all just fuck off rogue and roll demon hunter or some shit

On a side note though anyone else kinda hate the direction assa has gone, I know in general they've really tamed down for specs but is tragic when you look at damage break down nowadays and see how bad bleeds are and how much your damage is front loaded into envenom

[balmy condor]

yeah it's a common complaint

[wary relic]

It was a shame shadow dance got removed, I enjoyed playing around the damage amp, looking back it's best interactions are when bleed builds are crazy, loved me max haste bfa rogue from last patch

[grim jay]

I wouldnt mind bleeds being lower if the actual poison damage would come from dots aswell tbh

[wary relic]

I suppose but then you have less control of min maxing poisons, I know in general snap shotting isn't a thing but it was fun doing it with flat damage amps etc

[rare jackal]

shadow dance was ass but it is indeed criminal how much damage envenom and auto attacks do

assa having practically everything in terms of damage profile is also a bit ridiculous

[grim jay]

Autos themself have always been rather high in early patches

[rare jackal]

i was alluding to hunt them down

that shit does way too much

[grim jay]

Yeah that was an awkward choice

[wary relic]

I do agree with this tbf, always played rogue and assa for years but skipped most of dragonflight, came back to ofc caustic splatter and thought it was amazing but now it's a bit ridiculous and puts the spec in a box

[rare jackal]

its easy to hate but we have to remember that assa AOE was pretty bad prior to the 10.2 rework so something needed to be done

but maybe caustic and IC was too much

hard to tell

[wary relic]

I love IC, I wish that was more of the focus on the aoe or multi target profile

[balmy condor]

I wish it was less

[royal lantern]

i know WHY they do it, bit yeha, its just akward and kinda stupid that all "dot specs" are just "dots give resources, spamm a instant dmg ability" now

[grim jay]

Tbf in terms of dot gameplay

I liked how affli worked for quite some time

[royal lantern]

frking arms warrior has more actual dot gameplay then assa lol

[sharp viper]

@balmy condordo the cyrces circlet gem changes impact the ring performance in any meaningful way?

[balmy condor]

no

we just don't do skipper

[red schooner]

Shit, didn't even realise there were fem changes

[balmy condor]

there were what now

[sharp viper]

fem boy changes

[pliant remnant]

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[red schooner]

why do I try phone typing

what is life

[sharp viper]

what is love

[red schooner]

Meant gem changes but ye

[pliant remnant]

vladislav

baby don't hurt me

[red schooner]

Small keyboard is pain

[sharp viper]

while I don't like skipper anyways, still feels stupid

to have the ring outperform higher ilvl rings

maybe they'll nerf it more

[rocky zodiac]

They will. They even Said that they will If IT overperforms after a couple of weeks

[warm vortex]

Wait they changed the ring?

[balmy condor]

they killed war queens

and skipper

[warm vortex]

Ok

So nothing much really

[balmy condor]

Well it kills any cheese strat people were doing and also nerfs it out of bis contention for a good like 50% of specs

We just happen to don’t get affected much by it cause the alternative is still really good

[warm vortex]

Yea

[lime epoch]

where can I see ST sims for decked out assa?

[rocky zodiac]

What gem do we use instead? I guess Windsinger?

[hearty seal]

I sorta wish there was more opportunities for IC to work other than "after pull or after Vanish"

[bronze pike]

I don’t ouldnt be surprised to see another nerf to ring

In the near future

Probably in 11.1.5

[grim jay]

how did you guess that dear invisibull? did you perhaps read a guide ?

[warm vortex]

Perma IC

[waxen field]

my dream

[hearty seal]

ehhh, doesn't feel as good
but the only alternative I see is stuffing "refresh IC" into something that already does a lot (arguably too much), like Shiv
...could put it into KB? nah, would play hell with talent interdependency, it already affects how good Vanish talents are, in part

there's a boring option of "every fifth/sixth/tenth Envenom/CT"

[waxen field]

tbf into shiv doesn't sound that bad does it ?

[hearty seal]

it doesn't sound bad
but shiv already does a shit ton of things if talented even remotely

[waxen field]

you'd argue you use it for kb windows right

yea true

[rocky zodiac]

No im at Work. I Just guessed xD wasnt trying to be smart. Was Just asking

[wild thorn]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[spice surge]

Remove IC

Make bleeds do damage again

[primal burrow]

6% rupture what are you complaining on

And make the power of bleed running from mob to mob apart through the course of time blood, so that we become a spread dotter affliction rogue

[indigo mulch]

I just want our ST to be better, i don't care how that is being achived :C

[primal burrow]

I want a quantic blood /poison rogue

[warm vortex]

Uhm actually bleeds are good in a certain build 🤓 ☝️

Jkjk IK exactly what you mean

[static glacier]

Wouldn’t we have the worst dmg profile of all time if we went back to legion style aoe?

Fok > rupture :/

[spice surge]

Is it more fun to have every spec just be blade flurry but with a different color?

[fast mural]

play sub for st lazy

[clever sapphire]

sounds more fun than fok envenom (most fun i had was still S1 of DF council fight where i had to manage all bleeds on 4 bosses)

[indigo mulch]

ey baba 😄 I just prefer playing sin. :C

[fast mural]

True true lazy, still prob assa will be strongr

[indigo mulch]

[fast mural]

at least for M+ bleed build is poping

[indigo mulch]

meh, all i do is like 10's and 12's ish 😄

I cba doing higher keys.

[fast mural]

Yea but the point is to get invited also 😛

[indigo mulch]

Fair point.

[clever sapphire]

have you tried speccing fire mage?

[fast mural]

my rival ?

god no

better jump from the window

[clever sapphire]

i mean thats the easiest way to get invited

or just play dps shaman

[indigo mulch]

[fast mural]

forced to s1

After waiting 5 hours in q

for a 16

[clever sapphire]

getting a group also works

just add all randoms you found good

[fast mural]

Tried also, we were premade, Depleto only

[clever sapphire]

git gud

[fast mural]

I finally gavee up

Wow won

[indigo mulch]

They call me Mr. Depleto.

[fast mural]

Cool, now you have 2 nicknames

[indigo mulch]

True Daddy and Mr. Depleto.

[pliant remnant]

Yes

[grim jay]

I mean you can alter how it works for different specs

I still like the idea of caustic being mainly a dot spread tool

as in you spread the dots on that one target through envenoming the target with caustic up

[rotund oak]

buff IC,buff bleeds,remove outlaw from the game

also make bleeds stack twice

[clever sapphire]

remove ic, buff bleeds, remove spatter

[grim jay]

I love the remove part

[surreal cradle]

outlaw should be replaced with Warden

can i go flame their # or is that frowned upon?

[grim jay]

should be replaced with duelist

make it a fencing spec

I'd fucking play it

[surreal cradle]

anything but outlaw

we arent cowboys

go play overwatch

[clever sapphire]

how about making it a ranged spec so i can use all the bow/gun mogs i got from all the raids

[grim jay]

yeah so that only ranged rogue will be brought

sounds great

getting a spec at the cost of 3

[clever sapphire]

just make the melee specs more broken, like enha all of S1

problem solved

[hearty seal]

yet
gonna need a second gun

[surreal cradle]

a spy

[grim jay]

sadly rarely happens that way

[hearty seal]

funny how these things work
FFXIV has a range tax but bosses have had hitboxes covering half the arena since ShB
WoW doesn't have a range tax but there is actually downtime or distant targets on multiple bosses per tier

[surreal cradle]

ff14 you dont have to face the boss. im disabled and i didnt realize how much of a QOL it is when i switched to wow

but country girls make do

[rocky zodiac]

But you have Positionals in final. Thats ass

[indigo mulch]

The positionals arent as bad as one thinks ;o

[grim jay]

alright arcane mage looks even more fun now

[rocky zodiac]

I Heard they removed many since i stopped playing. Maybe its better now

[spice spire]

Call me arcane mage

[clever sapphire]

what changed?

[grim jay]

you wouldnt be able to walk for an entire week

[waxen field]

whereas in wow there's no point in behind behind ur target not like ansurek would ever parry kb right aha

[grim jay]

idk, has been a few months since I last logged onto my mage. spellslinger looks wild

constant stream of action

[clever sapphire]

ah ye spellslinger is fun

[spice spire]

Buddy I think it’s cute that you think I’m not the one that’s going to be blowing up your prostate like it’s a British subway

[clever sapphire]

i would love some arcane aoe buffs, would love to mess around with mage when i wanna chill but fire doesnt hit the spot like arcane does

[grim jay]

my dummy testing made it look really strong on those

[clever sapphire]

well dummies dont go up above 5 targets

[grim jay]

think we need to find out like true men whose prostate will get blown to smithereens. wrestling on the floor. naked.

[grim jay]

new dungeons dont look that big pull heavy to me

but I didnt research much

[static glacier]

Yes if being the spec without blade flurry dooms you to irrelevance if you’re not insanely overtuned

[balmy condor]

Okay but hear me out

Bleed caustic spatter

[static glacier]

They need to stop this ridiculous arms race of every spec being able to do everything

Being told “we can’t bring you because no prio dmg”

Like

Idk what to say

It’s a shit situation all round for everyone involved

[grim jay]

but thats a playerbase issue

not a blizzard issue

[clever sapphire]

tbh aug not being part of a comp solves it partly imo

[indigo mulch]

Just make all the bleeds poisons instead 😄 ez clap

[clever sapphire]

because now you have 3 dps specs

so its more fine if 1 doesnt excel at mass aoe or pure ST or whatever

[balmy condor]

No but envenom would then buff them and that makes envenom so strong

[balmy condor]

Yeah but now you’re just shoving the problems onto the Aug player instead that’s not really a solution either

[clever sapphire]

i mean im blaming blizzard for even making aug a spec

[static glacier]

It is a blizzard issue, if having ret makes a pack notably harder because the prio mob doesn’t die or if it gets focused and dies you have less aoe

[clever sapphire]

if aug replaced the healer it would be better imo

[balmy condor]

Honest to god, Aug should have like a talent or something that makes the support stronger but personal dps weaker or vice versa so they aren’t perma shackled to meta defining idk Aug is a nightmare

[static glacier]

Obviously they’ve been making the trade off between aoe and st for all specs less costly over time but still it’s become an expectation

[static glacier]

They wanted to make yuumi for wow players xd

[hearty seal]

unironically miss that control scheme that lets you move freely while still being considered facing the target

[balmy condor]

Frankly this would actually be worse imo because this is kinda what they tried to do with disc and it ended up just being like “well it has to be able to heal like a healer, but the damage comes from it doing dps, so it has to also do good dps” and it ended up just being a regular healer but with 5x the damage for free lmao

[hearty seal]

positionals used to be fun back then ngl

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

Like you can’t make Aug a healer that sucks at healing the same way you can make Aug a dps that sucks at dps

[clever sapphire]

ah that makes sense, well remove aug problem solved

[balmy condor]

If Aug is a healer that sucks at healing your group just explodes cause you don’t have a fucking healer

[mighty vine]

Aug gonna be converted to a tank spec and will work by buffing itself and allies like light smith. Mark my words

[balmy condor]

That sounds like the disc priest problem again

[ornate aspen]

You're thinking too small.
Make Aug a support healer then make all the other healers supports and delete the healing role

[rocky zodiac]

Yeah delete healing in the only mmo were healing is fun xD

[balmy condor]

Make every spec except assassination support the assassination player, and then block anyone from making a new assassination rogue

[ornate aspen]

Finally a sane idea

[balmy condor]

The only guarantee I have when I’m playing is that I am a human

The rest of my party might be like bad ChatGPT

So I deserve to get all the buffs and damage

Cause they’re bots

My logic is foolproof

[rocky zodiac]

All aug Players are animals in rl. They are Not humans

[balmy condor]

True

Aug is the closest we get to catgirls

[rocky zodiac]

[indigo mulch]

[static glacier]

Yo chill

Don’t hate the player

Hate the game

[rocky zodiac]

Hate both is my answer

[clever sapphire]

it was their choice to play aug, not mine

[static glacier]

I had to quit playing evoker bc they released Aug

😔

Everyone just expected / demanded Aug

[clever sapphire]

see you are a smart one, you can go back now since aug is garbo

[balmy condor]

YOU COULDVE BEEN AN E-KITTEN NOOOOOOOOOO

[rocky zodiac]

A friend of Mine gets kicked from groups because shes Prevoker and Not Aug

[clever sapphire]

but how is someone supposed to be an aug when signing as a healer

[static glacier]

Uwu would you wike a wejuv and a wifebwoom uwu

[balmy condor]

Do they….. not see the big healer icon?

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/egirl-girl-monster-monstergirl-luiguyegirl-gif-19795373

[rocky zodiac]

I dont know. But aug stans are stupid

[balmy condor]

Uwu pwease take my ewon might senpai!!! 0////0

[static glacier]

Fact of the matter is the spec was so busted in m+ since its inception I can’t even blame people like tettles just committing to Aug

Even when boomie is meta viable

[rocky zodiac]

Skillfloor is Just way to Low for the Impact you have

[static glacier]

Litteral balance Druid figure playing Aug when his supposed main is meta, tells you how shit blizz were at balancing it

[balmy condor]

I mean….

He’s rerolled quite a bit

It would hit much harder if like me or fuu rerolled

[static glacier]

I’m gonna need to go down 3 beers while grunting in a deep voice and banging my chest like a gorilla to become a man again

[rocky zodiac]

Dont you dare!

[grim jay]

I would still love and support you

[novel star]

!pf

oops

[grim jay]

picture feet?

[balmy condor]

Gotchu

[novel star]

thanks beast

[rocky zodiac]

[static glacier]

How do we know you didn’t

[spice spire]

Hate that

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-jack-sparrow-sticky-what-gif-14153039

[static glacier]

Why’s that foot so meaty

And fat

[novel star]

be nice dude

[spice spire]

I wear a 14 man tf you want fro me

[static glacier]

😳

Bro really gonna make it quake

[rocky zodiac]

What es that in Euro sizes?

[spice spire]

Honestly the red is the only part that bugs me

Uh

48?