assassination

[royal lantern]

tl:dr, its normal, no you cant change it, its intended

[karmic spoke]

thanks

Wait, outlaw KiR is ahead of sin on the simulation chart?

[subtle tundra]

yes outlaw usually sims high

and assa usually sims lowish

(and it currently sims very low)

[karmic spoke]

i see

[midnight mist]

outalw tier

no cap

[subtle tundra]

👲

[dark thorn]

Aren't we supposed to aim for maximal double Envenom buff uptime to proc as much Danish Scoundrel as possible ?

[grim jay]

Huge cap

[golden loom]

Just spam envenom

overthinking on the spec does more harm than good

[grim jay]

Danish Scoundrel is pretty good tho

[dark thorn]

I've always refreshed Envenom with pandemicn also avoiding unintended Tea usage

[golden loom]

macro tea to shiv and forget about it

[dark thorn]

Outside of KB obv

Double thislte tea for the last 12 second of KB seems to sim higher tho

and is slightly more energy efficient, at least imo

[golden loom]

I mean by macroing tea to shiv it always lines up during kingsbane

the sim doesnt even check for autotea or whatever anymore cause its irrelevant

[slate crown]

🇩🇰🤘

[dark thorn]

That's kinda weird tho, using tea at the beginning of KB (outside of DM) with low stacks or at the end with max stacks has to matter isnt it

[royal lantern]

not really

[golden loom]

from the pins

[dark thorn]

meanwhile you can max envenom and not run outta energy if tea at the begining

[royal lantern]

welcome to wow in 2025, nothing matters, slam cds and use high dmg ability

[slate crown]

I understand why you would think that and want that to be true but it just isn’t

[royal lantern]

and you just played 99,5% correct

[dark thorn]

so more ticks with high stacks of KB

[royal lantern]

now comes the thing

[dark thorn]

lAlright alright

[royal lantern]

envenom does more dmg

[golden loom]

Yeah you will only shiv once for Non-DM kingsbane cause its better to use one for the nuclear bomb ability

[dark thorn]

what

[royal lantern]

darkest night envenom does .ore dmg then kingsbane

they put ALL your dmg into envenom

[slate crown]

I want what you’re saying to be true, I want nuanced ability usage to matter, I like thinking about when env is in pandemic and the order of abilities to be more important like this. But those things mattering have slowly been chipped away at.

[dark thorn]

Oh alright wasnt aware of that thx

[golden loom]

Usually if you want the most up to date info, the pinned messages is the go-to place

[dark thorn]

In this case I guess you want to use tea for this darkest night+supercharger+lingering envenom ?

[slate crown]

If tea should be used there it would be mentioned

No, you just use your shiv macro

Which will have tea in it

[jade abyss]

Maybe im dumb but i spam envenom until zero energy waiting for 50% energy and spam again?

[golden loom]

never stop clicking that envenom keybind

[dark thorn]

Alright yeah as you said, kinda sad that timing tea the way we imagine being the "right way" is unrelevant. I guess I'm going to unbind tea

[golden loom]

agreed, and yep we kinda lost 3 keybinds with the 11.05 patch with not needing to press tea, slice and dice or echoing reprimand anymore

[jade abyss]

Ty

[subtle tundra]

i need to get fight an outlaw irl

kidney shot into pistol shot

double wammy

[golden loom]

Hookshot irl would go crazy

[subtle tundra]

maybe he between the eyes me

[golden loom]

Or is it called grappling hook idk

[subtle tundra]

and it just ends there... hopefully

[grim jay]

I'd evis him

[royal lantern]

bro, you cant fight minors irl wtf

[subtle tundra]

i literally can

[dark thorn]

For the lingering darkness darkest night dry shiv thing, do you "fake max cp = 4cp" bc of supercharger envenom or do you "7 real max cp = 10cps" also bc of supercharger envenom ?

[balmy condor]

have to go to 7 or else you're just stacking every buff known to mankind onto a shitass 4cp envenom

[dark thorn]

Yeah that's what I thought so, wanted to be sure

thx ❤️

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dark thorn]

Also others said here you don't need to bind tea anymore and go full blind shiv+tea macro, maxing tea uptime on the last 12 (DM) 6 (non-DM) seconds of KB is worthless minmaxing. What's your opinion on that Whispyr ?

[subtle tundra]

do you mean to ask for his opinion on how it affects the gameplay, or if its correct

[dark thorn]

If it's correct

If at the end numbers are the same

which is surprising somehow but Lisonna was sad about it being true

[subtle tundra]

considering he made those changes

yes his opinion is that they are correct

[dark thorn]

Alright didn't see it on the Wowhead rotation guide so that's why I thought his opinion was different, but gotcha thx ❤️

[ebon geyser]

Is the playstyle/ rotation the same for assa rogue ?

[dark thorn]

The same as what ?

[balmy condor]

I assume as s1

in which case open the pins to see changes

[nova aspen]

[deep gyro]

[subtle tundra]

see... the many.. changes

[ebon geyser]

Yes the same as season 1 ,stoped playing in season 1

[balmy condor]

what build am I simming for trinkets for m+

do I get a little crazy and sim bleed

silly lil full aoe maxxer

[subtle tundra]

youll get same results

or not

it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

who knows!

[subtle tundra]

people will copy mr strimmer

[balmy condor]

yeah but you wanted to know varas

I'm simming this for you

[subtle tundra]

i only care about raid

[balmy condor]

ez

[subtle tundra]

and raid trinkets

[balmy condor]

can't guarantee that

[ebon geyser]

So its still all the same as season
1 ? No changes ?

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

well its for loot council

[peak bobcat]

[subtle tundra]

and that is raid

[balmy condor]

reading the message to read the pins

is proving a difficult challenge

layers like an onion

[deep gyro]

[subtle tundra]

I LAY WITH YOU

AS IN

SEX

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-onions-ogres-layers-gif-5703242

[red schooner]

I rolled rogue to stab things. If I wanted to read things I'd have rolled mage

[balmy condor]

house of cards slot 1, kezan slot 2 bis still, slot 2 zee thug/reverb radio -0.5%, alchemist stone -0.7%, junkmaestro's magnet -0.8%, spare keys -1%

[undone tulip]

Whispyr, I just wanted to thank you for the assassination guide you made on WoWhead!
I was mainly a mage player, but you made it tons easier to understand how to play rogue! Thank you!!

[violet jackal]

I miss when JPC would come in and ask real TC questions

[subtle tundra]

THANKS A LOT!

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[balmy condor]

I just miss jpc

[subtle kiln]

You’re welcome !

[nova aspen]

where is my appreciation for garf sitting here every day

[red schooner]

[hearty reef]

[red schooner]

You get a bonus garf

[hearty reef]

Buffs when?

[spice spire]

I also miss pvc

[red schooner]

To go with your garf

As thanks

[nova aspen]

ty sir

[subtle kiln]

20% more to CT on Tuesday

[red schooner]

No, thank YOU

[snow kindle]

do dks have a aoe anti magic ability that isnt zone or am i crazy

[hearty reef]

Can i get some more envenom sir?

[balmy condor]

ams

[subtle tundra]

a bit daring

why dont they buff like
lethal dose

[snow kindle]

whats the talent that makes it aoe

[balmy condor]

oh aoe

[subtle kiln]

Entirely dependent if there’s a Whispyr tuning meltdown video on Monday

[balmy condor]

idk they give a proc

I think it's a hero talent maybe?

[subtle tundra]

ams is 2 target

[spice spire]

It spreads it to other people doesn’t it

Ye

[balmy condor]

yeh exactly

[subtle tundra]

it gives nearest

[snow kindle]

whats it called

nvm ill go look

surely its in rider

[hearty reef]

No it's baseline

Bottom right of dk tree

[snow kindle]

excellent ty

[subtle tundra]

guys how do i get past constipation

[balmy condor]

shit

[subtle tundra]

dang

[hearty reef]

Dirt water

[subtle tundra]

might have to drink some old milk

[hearty reef]

Or 3 tblspoons of olive oil

[subtle tundra]

the bulking method

[rocky zodiac]

What apart from boss uptime can i min Max with Sin when i get my CDs right and do dry shiv DN Envenom?

[subtle tundra]

the uh

the um

yeah that

bro we're not a phd spec its 4 buttons

[rocky zodiac]

Or do my logs depent on If my dots crit?

[subtle tundra]

no

if you cant get good logs constantly then its a gameplay issue(gear aside)

[rocky zodiac]

How hard is getting good logs on Sin?

[balmy condor]

just as hard as it is on any other spec in the game

[subtle tundra]

there's a pad factor nowadays

that wasnt a thing pre-df

[hearty reef]

The secret minmax of numbers of dn during shivs

Guaranteed oranges

[rocky zodiac]

Need that dagger logs xD
Yeah i dont Like If stupid padding is rewarded but i guess nothing we can do about that

[golden loom]

people padding might prevent you from getting a 100 parse, but its not gonna make you gray parse

[rocky zodiac]

Isnt that Just rng if you get fitting CPs to 5 or Higher and Not doing more mutilates

I guess i will Just see

[spice surge]

Yes sir

[subtle tundra]

you took the bait and swallowed it

[rocky zodiac]

Guess im a good fish

[hearty reef]

Yeah i was joking mb

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hayasaka-kaguya-sama-kaguya-sama-love-is-war-hayasaka-lying-lying-gif-26172218

[hearty reef]

Dont hit me with that im a good guy and hate lying/liers

[rocky zodiac]

Seasonbegin will be terrible either way until i get my Gear to fit Sin better

[hearty reef]

[balmy condor]

QUEBEC STARE

[subtle tundra]

i wont do the command

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

someone else

i refuse

[balmy condor]

nah I'm good

his gear will fit sin better idk how

but he will win and prospore

prosper

[subtle tundra]

maybe tighter clothing?

[balmy condor]

prospar?

brain fried

god bless

[spice spire]

Whispyr go to sleep smh

[balmy condor]

one more sim bud

get woke

[spice spire]

Buddy how about you get slept

[rocky zodiac]

Whispyr what i wanted to ask you, how does IT come you know German?

[balmy condor]

cause I'm german

[spice spire]

He’s German

[rocky zodiac]

You what?

[balmy condor]

ich bin ein berliner

is this thing on

🎙️

[spice spire]

No

[rocky zodiac]

4real or you kidding?

[peak bobcat]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

I have german citizenship does that count

idk

you want me to eat sauerkraut or something

[nova aspen]

brats

[golden loom]

falsifying documents sounds illegal

[balmy condor]

caught

[rocky zodiac]

But you life abroad i guess?

[balmy condor]

correct I live in america and was born here

[spice spire]

Yeah and falsifying my nuts on your chin is punishable by a pounding

[balmy condor]

cause I am also an american citizen

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

stay with me now

[hearty reef]

Erm bro isnt it like 6 or 7 in cal, did you just wake up?

[spice spire]

He’s not slept

It’s 5:43

[hearty reef]

Ofc

[rocky zodiac]

Yeah that makes Sense okay.

Brother Flüstyr

[balmy condor]

I'll give you 3 nickles and a broken pair of wired headphones from an iphone 6 for you to fuck off

[rocky zodiac]

That ist oddly specific

[balmy condor]

so is your address but you don't see me commenting about it

[nova aspen]

3 nicklebacks would be impressive

[balmy condor]

I will choke you with that bandana next to your name

[turbid fossil]

[spice surge]

This is how you remind me

[nova aspen]

[candid sun]

Homie woke up and chose violence lmao

[balmy condor]

only think woke about me is the hair

[nova aspen]

of what i really am

[balmy condor]

bro it's like almost 6

let my people go

[hearty reef]

Whatcha cookin

[balmy condor]

trinkets

a billion of them

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

here, while we wait, a pop quiz

what's worse

a 639 transmitter

or fucking lighting feather

[hearty reef]

b

[rocky zodiac]

Thats a big Sim

[nova aspen]

yes

[balmy condor]

so based

40 ilvl higher and worse

god bless tuning

[hearty seal]

channelling for 11 seconds? lmao no

[balmy condor]

it's not a channel

the tooltip is just dogshitter

[hearty seal]

oh, at least it's not that bad

[balmy condor]

it's like a point and click meteor thing

you know the dash from the first boss in rookery

the lightning bird

it like swirls on the ground and then zips to it

that's the trinket

[nova aspen]

that sounds like a fun trinket

too bad it sucks

[hearty seal]

ngl the tooltip is super poorly written
does it do only 1557609 damage once? every second? every 2 seconds?

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

that's actually the most well written part

you crash down and deal X damage split between enemies

whats weird about that

[hearty seal]

...then what the fuck happens for 11 seconds

[hearty reef]

Beacon to the beyond

[dawn seal]

whispyr do u perchance have the names of items on ur transmog on ur reclear from 10 hours ago

[balmy condor]

nothing

that's the dogshitter part

[dawn seal]

u look very cool

I wanna get the same mog

[hearty seal]

smh

[balmy condor]

this?

[dawn seal]

yes

[balmy condor]

the armor is a set

[golden loom]

now what the fuck is that

[balmy condor]

from mage tower

[dawn seal]

ohn o

can it be obtained

,

[barren yarrow]

Ahhh mage tower

[balmy condor]

I think so, it's the recolor

[dawn seal]

OO

THANK U

SO MUCH

[barren yarrow]

can you even get that anymore @balmy condor

[rocky zodiac]

Only the weapons arent obtainable anymore

[balmy condor]

daggers are fang of the sundered flame

[spice surge]

Its 1 second ingame

[rocky zodiac]

Mage Tower weapons

[spice surge]

Wowhead just says 11 for some reason

[dapper cradle]

Full set andy!!!!

Cringe!!!!!

[dawn seal]

how hard is the challange

atm

with the siren

ring

[balmy condor]

should be a joke

[dawn seal]

its a good time to get the book mount

[nova aspen]

doesnt it scale to a fixed ilvl

[dawn seal]

then

[nova aspen]

or some shit

ring prob still op tho

[balmy condor]

assa challenge is 3 targets, cleave tf out of them, interrupt the big cast from the caster, run over the runes on the ground, stand in the hole of charging angel wall, don't stand next to the whirlwind

ggwp

CT will obliterate

[golden loom]

full sets rock

[balmy condor]

if you're getting trucked swap to heal gems in your circlet

[nova aspen]

ovinax build?

[balmy condor]

yeah that works

or an M+ build is probably fine too

[candid sun]

And a bit of cc

[balmy condor]

anything that can cleave

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

CC isn't even that needed

blind is good

kick is needed

but honestly I've seen most people just full zerg it

[dawn heath]

Spec outlaw and put on thunder fury with that mog it goes hard

[candid sun]

Idk when I did it I did my cleave build and if I didn't have evasion or focus gouge or kidney to dish out it would've been obnoxious to me

[hearty reef]

Nice werewolves

[golden loom]

yeah my demonhunter has this with dualwield thunderfuries, looks sick

[candid sun]

Evasion bought up to reduce damage*

One of them sometimes bugs

So he just sits and takes it also

[balmy condor]

holy shit are we playing a delve trinket in m+

that's so banger

[hearty reef]

Ew

[balmy condor]

the top 6 trinkets in dungeonslice are 3 delve trinkets, 2 dungeon trinkets, and alchemist stone

GOOD TUNING

[dawn heath]

UwU dh

[balmy condor]

SURELY THEYRE DONE WITH TRINKET TUNING

[balmy condor]

[dawn heath]

Ye i have that set saved too

[golden loom]

those glaives u have look sick

[dawn seal]

aight

[dapper cradle]

Is there a juicy girlcock under that skirt?

[dawn seal]

I ll succeed sensei

[dawn heath]

Most certainly

[hardy rapids]

Good morning little hoes

[hardy rapids]

I pray it stays like this

[balmy condor]

If it stays like this I might have to unironically recommend crafting alchemist stone after embellishments

[dapper cradle]

Can you make an in depth 2 hour video about trinkets?

[spice spire]

Just for tuning to occur a day later

[balmy condor]

Knowing my yap, yes

[spice spire]

W

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

I am yap incarnate

[spice spire]

Mf ur about to be sleep incarnate

[balmy condor]

The yap of my ass cheeks alerts the guards

[rocky zodiac]

The Razageth myth only Phase we deserved

[dawn heath]

Yappermanx

[spice spire]

Yapgodx

God I miss Kyle

[grim jay]

I got summoned

[spice spire]

Silence kitten, the adults are speaking

[grim jay]

I will silence you with my lips on your mouth if you sass me again

[slender stream]

Did I just log into a telenovela?

[spice spire]

You didn’t say which lips

Yes

[red schooner]

Shh, we're getting to the best bit

[slender stream]

Outstanding

[grim jay]

Yes

[slender stream]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

Every pair I could possibly offer

Because for you, I would give it my all

[slender stream]

Your best?

[dapper cradle]

Mussy lips?

[grim jay]

I cant give him my best, because I would just give him to himself.

[spice spire]

Baby girl?

Damn

[slender stream]

I was going for the quote from “The Rock” but that’s fine…..

[spice spire]

Gonna make me cry and for the first time not from my penis

[grim jay]

Thats new, women usually think I'm not serious

But I'm just that cute

[maiden sierra]

Ill be awaiting the youtube upload

[spice spire]

Real

[dawn seal]

I DID IT

GUYS

I BEAT IT

legıon chalonge

[spice spire]

Proud of you king

[dawn seal]

THANKS

what was ur demise name quake

it was so good I forgot

[rotund oak]

bruh idk about others,the first thing i did when i was done with university i gtfo of my parents place

what family,u guys crazy

ild rather jump a polar bear

[grim jay]

I'd jump a polar bear for my parents

(I'd win anyways)

[royal lantern]

mate

its a joke

cus the state is small with no many people

[rotund oak]

its creepy

yeah obv

[spice spire]

Sudden demise sully

But we already have demise Danny

[dawn seal]

it was like big demise

of somefin

[spice spire]

Oh prime minister of big demise

I change names a lot

[quiet oar]

i wish i was it

ong

[bright cipher]

This seasson trinkets are funny

[humble verge]

man

[hardy rapids]

How many tries?

[humble verge]

im just sitting here

doing nothing

[hardy rapids]

Mount farm :)

[humble verge]

ive already done a bunch of oldraids

😴

only farm the mounts i want anyways

[hardy rapids]

Gotta go shoot out your caustic spatter or something then

[humble verge]

already done that today

😔

[humble verge]

maybe its time to go back to rs3

😴

[hardy rapids]

Is that RuneScape 3?

[humble verge]

ja

[hardy rapids]

Old head

But good idea

[humble verge]

i can attest you

im not an old head

i just started playing runescape really early

[hexed frost]

We're hitting levels of bleedmaxxing that shouldn't even be possible

[humble verge]

demise hits?

[hexed frost]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

damn that's a demise?

[hexed frost]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

holy moly I'm bricked!

[undone flame]

i know we dont changes Embellishments but is dawn one stil fine to go?

[dapper cradle]

ya should be

sim yo self

[undone flame]

cool

[hexed frost]

Demise is absolutely nasty on Amarth. Especially if you pool both vanishes for the add phases and couple of shivs when adds are grouped

@warm vortex

[warm vortex]

Oh yea that fight is good
With a DK it's even better

Also, is The necro area bugged after boss 2 for you aswell

i remember doing it yesterday and when we got carried up there

[pliant remnant]

It is yeh

[warm vortex]

we couldn't really move at all

[pliant remnant]

Camera gets fucked every time you fly up

[warm vortex]

It's so shit XD

[pliant remnant]

A reload fixed it for me every time though

[warm vortex]

Yea but still

SHouldn't have to reaload in the first place

[pliant remnant]

I mean no shit

but it's better than continuing with the scuffed camera

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep gyro]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[shy axle]

the demise/zoldyk m+ specc is no longer shown in the guide, its just the middle path 5 points to the left side, right?

[haughty flicker]

sounds like you're talking about the bleed build, which is indeed still in the guide

its right below the main hybrid build

[shy axle]

iv did not have it, wowhead has, thank you

[haughty flicker]

ah yeah mb, i always just assume when people say guide they mean wowhead

[grave osprey]

Huge trink dubs all around!!

[merry zephyr]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova aspen]

[onyx gyro]

Are people switching to subtlety , playing both subtlety and assassination or sticking with assassination for progression?

[nova aspen]

if u are in a hall of fame guild or higher, u should probably master both specs

otherwise it likely won't matter which one you play

[halcyon path]

Is Sin still good for M+ or would a swap to sub be better there ?

[grim jay]

noone knows

but from what I've seen its still good

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you I raided hall of fame and was terrible at both specs

[nova aspen]

thats what i like to see

[onyx gyro]

lol

[subtle tundra]

nah

cap

[nova aspen]

[rocky zodiac]

Or you are a Clown Like me and only Play and master Outlaw 4 years xD

[gleaming geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-heroes-no-more-hero-im-sorry-you-hurt-your-wrist-gif-24152744

[rocky zodiac]

1st season i ever Play Something different than Resto Dudu or Outlaw

How Long must adds in a raid Fight life for us to spread Rupture and garrotes on them?

Are the adds on the upcoming 1st Boss too short lifed for that?

[soft surge]

popst build pls

[tight sparrow]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

The tuning tonight gonna be crazy

[spice spire]

Cope

[runic hinge]

Cope these nuts in your mouth

[balmy condor]

your name is literally Arterial Arthur

you just got buffed

[spice spire]

Bro go to sleep

[balmy condor]

usually 8+ seconds

[spice spire]

Or I’m about to shiv ur holes

[balmy condor]

??????

why would I do that I just woke up

[spice spire]

Oh nice nap

[balmy condor]

ty

[subtle tundra]

Fiddle my nuts if I'm right ?

[spice spire]

No

[subtle tundra]

[spice spire]

But nice try king appreciate the grustle

[subtle tundra]

Just tryna earn a honest living

[runic hinge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[grave osprey]

Assa ST buffs today?! Yesss lord!

Year of the dagger!! All aboard the HYPE TRAIN ! 🚂

[wanton nest]

Tuning tonight? U mean the enh buffs?

[grave osprey]

Na enh nerfs which is technically a buff for us 😎

[wanton nest]

True

[balmy condor]

they're gonna nerf the boss HP in every key by 30% and we're going to play bleed build

[grave osprey]

Oh God, i almost pandemic’d all over myself at the thought of that

[balmy condor]

you what

[grave osprey]

Uh i mean, i caustic spattered*

[balmy condor]

[deep gyro]

Rogue legendary inc

[balmy condor]

wowee now that's a cook

[grave osprey]

Assa s2 guide when, Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

wdym, wowhead's already updated

[grave osprey]

Sorry, video guide*

[balmy condor]

oh

uhhhhhhh

[grave osprey]

👀

[balmy condor]

yeah idk, something

[grave osprey]

HE DIDNT SAY NO!!! We have a chance bois!!!

[balmy condor]

issue is that if I make it now you know they're gonna fucking change everything

[grave osprey]

Ah facts- okay, Nevermind then

[deep gyro]

[hexed frost]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAottZmBzMGzMzysMYmxMzMzMjZYzyYGgNzyADYBsMMDYYZA

[balmy condor]

me too

[nova aspen]

YES

legendary dagger pls

[subtle tundra]

So assa will get indirectly buffed cause top specs will be nerfed

[balmy condor]

idk maybe

[dapper cradle]

is assaa giga omega turbo meta for S2????

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

awesome sick thanks

[subtle tundra]

I am john

[balmy condor]

huge demise holy

[subtle tundra]

John prediction

[dapper cradle]

John P. Rediction

[soft surge]

this looks epic

[hexed frost]

Rise of the monke

[balmy condor]

now show me that shiv damage papi

[subtle tundra]

Monk is dead on arrival

[hexed frost]

50M or 2.4% of overall I guess

[soft surge]

if only there was a single minute to play assa when theres only time to learn sub rogue

[balmy condor]

but in how many casts

[dapper cradle]

me to the cholo inmate on my 2nd day in prison

[balmy condor]

that's diabolical

[hexed frost]

Idk. Just used on CD if there's more than 2 mins nearby. Or bosses

[balmy condor]

[grave osprey]

I shiv you shiv we all scream for shivcream

[balmy condor]

big shiv

[frosty bridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/orbit-side-grass-gif-1227566035549193670

My sides lmfaoo

[frosty bridge]

is there a s2 version of !up

[balmy condor]

probably on reddit or something

it's basically the same thing but move the ilvl up

+39 to everything and you've got it

[frosty bridge]

so day 1 is 9s spam ye?

[subtle tundra]

I spam the belt

[dapper cradle]

quazii did a good video

[subtle tundra]

On yo ass

[dapper cradle]

he said 7s and 8s are the move

[deep gyro]

BTA

[haughty flicker]

10s for vault

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

idk why 7 and 8 would be the move, that's just a waste of crests compared to 9 no?

you're just dropping things 3 ilvl lower for fun

[frosty bridge]

thats a tuesday activity tho

not day 1

[haughty flicker]

imagine not doing 10s on day 1

[frosty bridge]

whats the point

[haughty flicker]

aura

[frosty bridge]

it slows you down by a little

[frosty bridge]

fair point

[balmy condor]

you can put "Rank 1 rogue m+" into your stream title and get all the bitches

[dapper cradle]

i think the marginal crest gains vs. difficulty of the higher key isn't worth

[grave osprey]

What if i already get all the bitches? 😦

[dapper cradle]

(according to quazii)

[frosty bridge]

wait

[dapper cradle]

i literally don't think for myself

[frosty bridge]

10s give higher end of dungeon loot

or what

[balmy condor]

no

[subtle tundra]

It is

[subtle tundra]

Cause dungeons will be piss easy

[frosty bridge]

this is from Quazzi

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

9 means no Tyra and fort and there is no death penalty

[balmy condor]

did they change all their shit again

god I hate this fucking company sometimes

[dapper cradle]

7s have like no affixes?

[frosty bridge]

hmmmmmmm

[deep gyro]

Sometimes?

[dapper cradle]

7 gives gilded now which is based

[nova aspen]

all of the times

[balmy condor]

so I guess spam 10?

and if hard

spam 9?

[quiet oar]

I mean that was the case for a long time or?

[dapper cradle]

7s shouldn't be as bad this time around with the new scaling

[balmy condor]

or 7 even

what

[frosty bridge]

well 7s maybe

[balmy condor]

so spam 10 or 7

[quiet oar]

like 10/20 giving 1 higher step

[haughty flicker]

yeah 7 spam for crests

[dapper cradle]

so full 10 vault is achievable

[haughty flicker]

10 spam for gear

[balmy condor]

[frosty bridge]

well

[grave osprey]

Lmao 10 or 7

[frosty bridge]

u need gear from 10s to use crests

[grave osprey]

what is even this season?

[balmy condor]

what bizarro world ass scaling is this man

[haughty flicker]

its kind of weird at the lower end too isnt it

[grave osprey]

10 is the lower end

[haughty flicker]

like 2-4 will need carved crests to upgrade

but only get runed crests

[grim jay]

8 10s

Farm 9s

[balmy condor]

yeah but then you're -3 on loot

[grim jay]

No other way

[balmy condor]

turns out when you make a convoluted and janky ass upgrade system, it kinda sucks!

[frosty bridge]

but farming 9s means you cant even upgrade it

fully, that is

bruh

[haughty flicker]

this is my first time actually looking at this chart

and the more i look the more i want to stop

[dapper cradle]

the fact that you need a chart like this is super fucked

having crests AND valorstones

[rotund oak]

cant blame u

[haughty flicker]

like the delve loot is fucked too even

[balmy condor]

yeah blizzard wanted upgrading gear to feel cool and then couldn't think of a better way than to make a billion currencies that drop or don't drop in varying amounts

[haughty flicker]

why does 7 to 8 jump 13 ilvls

lmao

[subtle tundra]

Or just do the highest key you can time

You know

[grim jay]

Why

9s is the same as 10s

[balmy condor]

why would I do 15's when gear stop at 10 though

[haughty flicker]

10s drop hero 3

[balmy condor]

no it isn't we just went over this

[subtle tundra]

Instead of optimizing for 5 minutes for irrelevance

[haughty flicker]

9s are hero 2

[grim jay]

Im new

[subtle tundra]

Well I meant within rewards

[balmy condor]

oh yeah okay fair

[grim jay]

Then we just farm 10s

Easy

[subtle tundra]

Cause I ain't a freak pushing when I need the gear

Or am I!?

[balmy condor]

you might be

[vernal agate]

Is the Cyrce's Circlet actually the BiS for the whole season?

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

Until the nerf

[vernal agate]

Even compared to like mythic stuff? wow 😂

[spice spire]

You freaky?

[subtle tundra]

You refused to fiddle them.

[spice spire]

It’s like the ilvl equivalent of 700 according to the guide

[grim jay]

I mean you definitely are a freak

[spice spire]

So yes

[grim jay]

The question is if you are that kind of freak

[subtle tundra]

I'm the guild freak

[grave osprey]

So we spamming 7s and 10s bois?

[subtle tundra]

So yeah

[grim jay]

10s

[subtle tundra]

7 when farming for a specific item

[grave osprey]

I see

[subtle tundra]

10 for just getting gear,any gear

Like after getting 2 random trinkets from 10, farm priory on 7 and above

[grave osprey]

10s will probably be super light this season

[subtle tundra]

No m+ first week will ever be as hard as df s1

[grave osprey]

Word?

[subtle tundra]

That shit.

[haughty flicker]

the tree

not the tree

pls

[balmy condor]

updating my trinket tier list knowing full well there's gonna be another 210439 tuning passes

MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW

[grave osprey]

Woot woot

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pain-gif-25934677

[grave osprey]

Inb4 sponsored water

[balmy condor]

forget sponsored water

there's 2 delve trinkets and an alchemy stone

in the top of the list

[grave osprey]

Long live the Delve trinks

[subtle tundra]

Only time I ever struggled to do my weekly keys

[balmy condor]

and that's at max ilvl

[grim jay]

I think df s1 was the fun kind of hard

Some funny bs

[dapper cradle]

abyssal trap still not in S tier????

[grave osprey]

For the low price of your sanity. You can struggle to do your weekly keys the entire season by pugging keys.

[balmy condor]

these delve trinkets are keeping up with shit a full 13 ilvl higher

[frosty bridge]

you think its 7s over 8s?

its an aditional -3 tho

[subtle tundra]

It was the 2 hour azure vault.Twice.

[spice surge]

Even the best trinkets this expac are significantly weaker than the mid trinkets in dragonflight

[grim jay]

So knife is the same this season.

[subtle tundra]

If you read what I said

You'd understand

[grave osprey]

Lmfao

[haughty flicker]

knife is still good nice

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean my B tier is trinkets that are bordering on -1% at most, and 639 transmitter is -1.7%

[haughty flicker]

delve gaming

[balmy condor]

they just gotta ctrl+a trinkets and buff like 20%

super whack

[spice surge]

Ye and in dragonflight transmitter (in nerubar) wouldve been considered fairly weak

[balmy condor]

ye

[dapper cradle]

ashes my love

[haughty flicker]

back when people complained about branch

then they learned true pain with transmitter

[balmy condor]

neither one of them is that bad

[grim jay]

Grieftorch my love

[spice surge]

Odd choice to lower the power of items in general

[haughty flicker]

branch wasnt bad but transmitter is dumb

any trinket that benefits that much from having a wa for it is dumb

[balmy condor]

I mean forget lowering the power of items, they lowered the power of items and then buffed weapon enchants again

????????

fucking why

[grave osprey]

Seeing how bizarre trinket tuning is, i bet Algethars puzzle box is probably still BIS for UHDK

[balmy condor]

who gives a shit about weapon enchants being good

[humble verge]

actually just wondering

are we playing SD in keys now?

[spice surge]

Strange indeed

[humble verge]

on live?

[balmy condor]

always have been

[grim jay]

What about "insert random streamer"s build

[frosty bridge]

[runic hinge]

what about subcreations build

[haughty flicker]

i only get my talent builds from u.gg

[grim jay]

I default to noxxic

[spice spire]

@slate crown

[haughty flicker]

i actually used noxxic when i first started playing lmao

those were dark times

[grim jay]

Just go back to your roots

It probably still exists

[runic hinge]

I only used wow forums pinned posts

[slate crown]

Nah people's brains are broken they're going to buy enchants anyways

[spice spire]

Damn

@ me

[haughty flicker]

bro i gotta pay to get the raid talents

[grim jay]

Fight me before you @ quake

[haughty flicker]

noxxic wtf

[grim jay]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

huge

noxxic vs izen race to depravity

[grim jay]

Its soooo fucking out of hand

[slate crown]

[acoustic finch]

What builds is everyone running atm, just default wowhead m+?

[grim jay]

Usually, yes

[grave osprey]

New bleed build with no kb personally

[grim jay]

Dont listen to Pedro or Ven

[pliant remnant]

KB is sooo last season

[grim jay]

They are having fun in devils name

[haughty flicker]

i used bleed build in a normal dungeon and topped meters

so its op

[balmy condor]

++

fuck caustic

amen

[grave osprey]

++++

[grim jay]

Call me caustic

[grave osprey]

If you want caustic just go play outlaw rogue. Amirite bois?

[grave osprey]

Or Demise danny

[grim jay]

Id stop playing

Before I play outlaw

[grave osprey]

I love outlaw but my wrists dont.

[grim jay]

I played years of bdo

And work in the office

Wow apm is a meme

[grave osprey]

Hmm might be my keybinds then.

[haughty flicker]

im so sorry

[grave osprey]

Also BDO? 🥲

*hugs Zayn

[grim jay]

Dont hate on it

It has its place

[grave osprey]

*hugs tighter

[haughty flicker]

i spent far more time (and money) than i will ever admit on bdo

im glad i dont have it installed anymore

lmao

[grim jay]

Nothing will ever come close to LoL for me

I think I'm at like 3.2k

Euro

[neat umbra]

Are delves dropping new loot yet, or is that not until Tues?

[dapper cradle]

gotta wait till tuesday

only new loot is from weeklies I think

[neat umbra]

Makes sense, tx!

[grim jay]

Ye you can get like 3 new pieces

Up to 45 or something iirc

Thats it

[haughty flicker]

for geared people anyway

if you're a rat like me you can get explorer and adventurer gear from undermine quests/rares

free 619

[primal burrow]

Yeah this is mostly the alt or the switch main week

[dapper cradle]

nah you switch mains halfway through split week

after you get a few heroic pieces

[primal burrow]

Depend of your invest / time play

My rogue is 624 (main S1) and I managed to go 600 mage to "prolly main S2 dunno yet cause sub is fun but raid doesn't have mage for the start" 616 mage just with undermine , delves, new WQ

And I sim 100k less with 10 ilvl apart so few M0 before raid and switch easy for me

[willow grotto]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange python]

Guys

Can I get some advice on killing zek?

I am about to go insane lol

[dapper cradle]

you're making good progress

surrender to madness, and then you'll see the path forward

[strange python]

Like I just get so confused bc my kick isn’t even able to be used again by the time he goes to heal himself and it’s makin me v angry

[runic hinge]

Run double vanish and save charges to dispel the dot if brann doesnt immediately dispel. Save cds for eggs. Run the single target build

Don’t kick anything but the heal

[strange python]

Okok

[runic hinge]

Cloak dot or vanish if brann doesn’t

I used arrowhead and the grow or shrink relic and brann healer and keep the pots rolling

If you’re on an egg and he does the aoe step to him and you’ll be behind him

[strange python]

Word ok

[runic hinge]

The right back to egg

Watch timers and you can save darkest night for the egg spawn to do big damage to it and switch your mark

Things get a little easier in p2 cause he melees less but you just kinda gotta watch for the port things

I basically just ran away when he did that

It’s slow and steady and do mechanics and hope brann isn’t an idiot

[strange python]

I may have to take a break holy moly

I think I’m just a not good rogue LOL

We doin our best tho it’s ok

[hoary remnant]

even after tuning eye is still that good?

[spice surge]

Yes it good now

Instead of being ultra mega bis

Esp if the fight is longer than like 4 minutes

[sharp viper]

oof

[spring moat]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle tundra]

ele sham nerfed by 3%...

i know already

[wanton nest]

Nah they are fine. Inc rogue nerfs for all 3 specs.

[spice spire]

Is your father John blizzard

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden sierra]

so what trinket combinations do we use in m+? as from my understanding the trinket list on wowhead is for raid?

[coral ibex]

a non-rogue officer is telling me "you might wanna go sub" for heroic prog, is my knee jerk response to EMA justified

[maiden sierra]

just play sub?

[sharp viper]

just play whatever you want

[maiden sierra]

granted needing to switch specs for heroic prog is kinda cringe lol

[coral ibex]

it doesn't look like i'd be trolling but eh

[maiden sierra]

heroic is piss

[spice spire]

Heroic

[coral ibex]

i mean we'd just be going into mythic after, idk why i'd play a different spec with different gearing from one difficulty to another

[maiden sierra]

arent stats the same on sub and sin?

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[coral ibex]

i thought sub was a vers stacker?

[maiden sierra]

wait there are still specs in this game that stack verse?

[haughty flicker]

They like vers and mastery

[coral ibex]

i just recall proggers last tier lamenting sub gearing vs assa gearing

and how it wasn't trivial to just swap

i only played assa so i wouldn't know

[haughty flicker]

It’s pretty trivial

Sin stats are not super important

[coral ibex]

yea im aware

[haughty flicker]

So if you gear for sub you can play both pretty easily

Get a neck for sin and call it a day

[maiden sierra]

love me a good neck

[spice spire]

[dawn heath]

what do people do this week

im staring at a wall

[spice spire]

Touch grass

[dawn heath]

its snow outside

cold

[spice spire]

I love the cold

[fading wigeon]

I'm just playing Elden ring while I wait lol

[lunar pond]

Elden Ring KCD2

[fading wigeon]

Solid choice as well

[polar sleet]

ptr

[maiden sierra]

do lfr, normal and heroic nerubar palace for flightstones

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[dapper cradle]

Will the valorstones be reset next week?

[grave osprey]

11m hit in a 9 Mist. Bleed go boom boom

[runic hinge]

No. They were reset Tuesday

[dapper cradle]

Sick ty king

[real pike]

nah your knee jerk response should be to find a new guild

[coral ibex]

bit late for me on that 😩

[spice spire]

Not really

People always looking

[grave osprey]

for heroic prog is wild

[naive crane]

We just got a 4% dmg buff

[grave osprey]

specially when tuning is still in the works

[spice spire]

Link to blue post? Or troll,

[naive crane]

Its on wow head

[subtle tundra]

fiddle my balls

fuck you

FUCK YOU

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-class-tuning-incoming-march-4th-375381?utm_source=discord-webhook

[spice spire]

Oh it’s slow here

Neat

Yeah

Good shout shaolin

[haughty flicker]

sin buffed sub nerfed

waow

[balmy condor]

another 4% of envenom

[lavish geyser]

does this change things?

[balmy condor]

it changes things by 4%

[spice spire]

So real

[lavish geyser]

lols, but like will assa just be flat out better now?

[balmy condor]

yes, by 4%

[subtle tundra]

no

[spice spire]

Than what

[lavish geyser]

how did you make that calculation?

[balmy condor]

so assa does damage now

and then later it does 4% more

[spice spire]

[frosty oar]

😂

[lavish geyser]

then sub?

[subtle tundra]

bro

[lavish geyser]

-.-

[subtle tundra]

they straight up reworked shaman tier set

[balmy condor]

than assa

[subtle tundra]

so they can do it

they just dont like us

[lavish geyser]

ah sry I just wrote it wrong XD

[grave osprey]

huge buffs!! my demise will be even BIGGER!

[lavish geyser]

I mean to say then sub. idk how deep the nerfs are to sub and the buffs are to assa

[uneven plume]

Sin gets mini buff. Sub gets nerfed. Fire still untouched

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Well ours is still pretty easy to determine

[balmy condor]

who knows what it does

[spice spire]

Idk subs numbers

So

[balmy condor]

wait for meta

[spice spire]

@spice surge sub dead?!?!??

[uneven plume]

I’m surprised sub is even getting any type of nerfs. It’s mid

[grave osprey]

maybe another Assa tier shadow buff ;D

[haughty flicker]

sub dead

unlucky

[spice surge]

Yes its a 99% nerf, its completely over

[balmy condor]

ain't shit to talk about until the season launches lmao

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor is it possible to buff only assa st

[spice spire]

God this is why you’re my goat. You tell it like it is

[midnight mist]

idk if they are just idiots

or if its not possible

[dapper cradle]

4% buff to assa, what does this work out mathematically overall?

[balmy condor]

yes but they refuse to

[midnight mist]

ok

[spring moat]

like 500k dmg

[midnight mist]

so sin is going to continue

to do infinite aoe

[oak eagle]

4% buff lets gooooooo

[midnight mist]

while doing tank st

i see

[oak eagle]

Were so back baby

[grave osprey]

about 4% more

[balmy condor]

ye guess so

[midnight mist]

thats cool

cant wait to play sin in s2 and get bullied for my st again

[oak eagle]

Probably about like 3.78% or so

[midnight mist]

while doing thanos aoe