assassination

[opaque sigil]

Who did you vote for Whispyr

[balmy condor]

harris

[warm vortex]

Literally all me

[radiant raven]

Biscuit is a good pet name

[astral plover]

Any of u that got a mount macro for the new Ride and old mounts?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-munching-eating-sun-weed-gif-15563090

[buoyant herald]

You should name them after cake ingredients and see if you can get the recipe proportions right

Milk butter sugar egg flour

[warm vortex]

They are all rats

I named them after what they eat

Ratpack proof

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah, rats rats rats

[dreamy gale]

do we re spread rupture and garrote to all mobs after they go off? I been watching Casualaddict he just respreads rupture

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Garrote on main target. 5 ruptures

Gg caustic

[dreamy gale]

thats so helpful i been tryna garrote everyone and it was just annoying as heck

[runic hinge]

Yeah it is lol

Save yourself the sanity

[warm vortex]

Unless your bleed maxxing

[queen kettle]

Hihi, what is the correct order of deathmark, kingsbane, and shiv?

[balmy condor]

dm, shiv, kb

[queen kettle]

ok ty

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dancing-rat-dancing-gif-24339527

[haughty flicker]

guys

big news

i found the perfect place for laps

laps around the hotel in undermine in the car

bis

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’ve been loving just cruising

[warm vortex]

Next thing imma teach em to do

[earnest flume]

is bubbling wax ever really worth it in m+ or raid or just stick with whetstone?

[balmy condor]

wax is slightly worse but free

whetstone is slightly better but money

[earnest flume]

aye aye captain

thank you

[thorn thorn]

What if they are a ||auto tea malder||

[runic hinge]

Banned

[haughty flicker]

that quests lines are so good

also a bit too close to reality

at least we get to kill a ceo soon

[balmy condor]

undermine in general feels a bit too on the nose allegory wise

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-luigi-stare-mad-angry-gif-4268577

[spice spire]

Wdym on the nose

What are you saying here whispyr

[balmy condor]

I'm saying a lot of the stories in undermine are reflections of real events and they're portrayed with very little hidden undertones, they're more prominent than they have been previously

do they teach you english in your backwater ass city

what's your deal

[spice spire]

Oh good I thought your German was coming out

[royal lantern]

you say that

but if it isnt that way, people wont get it

[warm vortex]

I mean haven’t goblins always acted like this

[royal lantern]

hell, they probably wont get it anyway

[balmy condor]

they don't get it even if it is this way

[warm vortex]

I still love undermine

Like how if you dance random goblins citizens will come up to you and dance with you

[royal lantern]

remember when tww was new, and many people where mad that the nerdy teenagre dwarf acts like a nerdy teenager, and not like a adault

:3

[balmy condor]

I want immersion but only when things don't make me think

I want immersion the same way brainrot scrolling social media is immersion

no messages or accurate portrayals

[spice spire]

Good news I’m about immerse myself in between your cheeks until thoughts leave your head

Sorry

You didn’t deserve that one

[balmy condor]

you really need to get laid man

[spice spire]

God amen

[dapper cradle]

Yeah the raid does feel on the nose

I hate how they made the mythic mount look like benjamin netanyahu

[balmy condor]

sorry what

[west crown]

Are sims updated? I'm throwing in our "bis" and simming under 2.2

[balmy condor]

they are, yes

but if you're throwing in the bis and you're at 2.2, it's probably not bis

bis reaches 2.3

barely, but it does

[dapper cradle]

What are the chances of dungeon trink tuning?

[balmy condor]

incredibly high

[dapper cradle]

Cray how cards is still ahead of priory

[west crown]

no crafted or enchants probably accounts for that so close enough

[balmy condor]

💀

yeah maybe mate

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor can you give me a personal TLDR of your entire written guide for Assassination Rogue in TWW patch 11.1? Like many a goblin in Undermine….. “How dare you make me read”!

Love you

[balmy condor]

envenom

[cerulean walrus]

Thank you

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

np

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-obama-barack-gif-13411519

[thorn thorn]

What spec bis

[half tartan]

Chances of assassin buffs? 20, 50, 90, 100

[subtle tundra]

100

im willing to bet money on it

blizzard does everything in their power for assa to be the raid spec

[haughty flicker]

yup

looks like buffs are on the way

[subtle tundra]

LET ME SPREAD MY PROPAGANDA WITHOUT IT LOOKING RANDOM

[balmy condor]

except the 5 tiers in a row where it wasn't

[grim jay]

You can buff DN

[grim jay]

Fake

They arent in the Izen sheet

[balmy condor]

waybackmachine the izen sheet

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Caustic Spatter Hater

[rotund oak]

Idk how someone can hate spatter

[balmy condor]

very easily

[rotund oak]

kinda interested for the reasons behind it

[balmy condor]

bleeds suck

caustic spatter is too strong

make bleeds cool again

[tawdry halo]

I miss bleeds being strong

[rotund oak]

thats fair

sd buffed,rup buffed

man should be bleed happy njoyer

[humble verge]

man

strolling through CN

with matrix in the background

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Central Nigeria?

China?

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

ok but

whats the amount of CP we go for with double charge shiv

do we still go 5, or can we do 4?

since its "actually" 6

[grim jay]

You still ignore it

And just play.

[humble verge]

yeah that doesnt answer my fucking question does it

[grim jay]

It does

Everything as usual

[humble verge]

indirectly maybe

so

5 cp then

[rotund oak]

i can feel the tension rising

[humble verge]

yes, my cock

[spice spire]

Hot

[rotund oak]

was trying polite but ye,that tension

[grim jay]

Was about to make a dick joke

But my meat got beaten to it

[grim jay]

Never as hot as you

[spice spire]

False

[grim jay]

Ok Mr. New Member

[spice spire]

Ty

[balmy condor]

it's actually 7, because forced induction makes it +3

[spice spire]

I’ll wear this badge all my life

[balmy condor]

but I don't expect you to get that mr fok on 6

[grim jay]

Fatal Flüstyr destroying the boys again

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

(fok is actually probably good in a bleed build)

[thorn thorn]

Caustic Spatter killed KB

[balmy condor]

(nothing matters)

[thorn thorn]

Bleeds suck

We are not a dot spec anymore we dot for resources

[spice surge]

Ct does bleed damage

And a lot of it

[thorn thorn]

I shall press Ct on bosses in keys then

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

yeah it is actually good on a bleed build

holy this thing sucks

only without blindside though

[spice surge]

Is that fok on 6

[balmy condor]

yeah

spec is actually so down bad without amp/pb/blindside

[marble hemlock]

the fuck are you cooking

[balmy condor]

fok on 6 but only with bleed build

:)

here we gooooooo

[haughty flicker]

WHERE SIM

WHIPER

[balmy condor]

this is actually pretty ridiculous

maybe it's usable now

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-salamander-gecko-dance-gif-16187825

[balmy condor]

real question is

do I diamond hands and wait for more trinkets

or do I start updating guides tonight

I think blizzard has at least one more trinket tuning pass in them

[severe meadow]

I'd give it another day or two

[haughty flicker]

hodl for sure

[severe meadow]

When they post the Assa ST buffs

[gusty mirage]

the sooner you update your guide, the sooner the changes come through

[ionic fox]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish geyser]

@balmy condor Remember when I asked for the burst windows, of different races side by side? if you dont that is ok. But I was wondering if I could have the website you use. or just a comparinson between maghar orc and the other main races. I dont quite get why soo many ppl play maghar orc

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lavish geyser]

thanks, and how do you see the dmg breakdown?

like the graph, to show the dmg during cds

[balmy condor]

oh

you'd have to sim it

that's not something you can just look up

[lavish geyser]

piss XD

hmm, ok. So how would I go about simming this?

[balmy condor]

you'd put something in

and then go copy=magharorc

[marble hemlock]

id say 3

[balmy condor]

or probably maghar_orc

or something idk

[lavish geyser]

yeah

[balmy condor]

and then race=maghar_orc

[lavish geyser]

think its the same for night elf. like its Night_elf. ill try it out.

would you just do a quick sim?

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

well you're changing stuff about the sim, so it'll have to be advanced

the moment you do anything other than copy paste your /simc, it's probably done in advanced

[lavish geyser]

I did expert mode and went into player section, seemed to work

[balmy condor]

what

there's no way that would work lmao you're making copies

[lavish geyser]

you can tick and expert mode box on the quick sim site

[balmy condor]

it's literally simming multiple actors

you can't do that from expert

[lavish geyser]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

?????

[lavish geyser]

it just says maghar orc

[balmy condor]

that's just a regular quick sim

[lavish geyser]

but didnt I change the race?

[balmy condor]

yeah but you wanted a comparison

changing race is much easier than whatever the hell you just did

[lavish geyser]

yes

[balmy condor]

[lavish geyser]

but I just figured I would make 2 sims

XD

was pretty easy tbh.

[balmy condor]

there's a race line in the simc import just change that

[lavish geyser]

lol

and how do you then go to the graph?

[balmy condor]

you go to the full html

[lavish geyser]

I see.

[hoary remnant]

Imo Friday or latest Satuday (depending on Timzone) they will do the last tuning pass of everything

[lavish geyser]

there was 300k dps difference I think. but insnt the race a random secondary stat buff?

[hoary remnant]

They will imo tune more m+

[balmy condor]

THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND?

bro what did you do

[lavish geyser]

nono

not overall

at one big cd burst

[balmy condor]

that's still insane

compared to what

[lavish geyser]

9,14m on nelf

[balmy condor]

NINE MILLION?

[lavish geyser]

actually more

[balmy condor]

WHAT

[severe meadow]

What are you bursting on for 9m

[balmy condor]

okay you gotta start linking screenshots

or sims

or something

[lavish geyser]

XD

[balmy condor]

cause what the fuck are you talking about

[lavish geyser]

well its not st

[balmy condor]

[lavish geyser]

just a dslice sim

[balmy condor]

doomed

[lavish geyser]

hehe why?=

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-bbt-sleep-i-dont-need-sleep-gif-5115394

[lavish geyser]

XD

[storm forum]

[lavish geyser]

isnt it only relevant in m+?

[balmy condor]

dslice randomizes target counts man lmao

isn't what only relevant in m+

[lavish geyser]

so the packs wont be the same if you do 2 dslice sims next to eachother?

like you cant compare two burst windows?

[storm forum]

I didn't know this but suddenly a lot of things make sense

[balmy condor]

the graph will be similar, but not to the level you need it to be

[lavish geyser]

I can try to do st?

and see

[balmy condor]

yeah that'll work better

that's at least a static sim

[balmy condor]

yeah it's a boss and then alternating small/big packs, but each one of those packs has randomized length and target count

[lavish geyser]

before I do it, this was the dslice I had. the larger one is maghar orc

[balmy condor]

so it'll chain pull sometimes or not

and you might have like giga downtime between packs

or not

[lavish geyser]

for st what do I want?

[storm forum]

And sometimes you do twice as much damage

[balmy condor]

yeh, I mean they're averaged so it's very similar

but you're hunting for like 0.1% differences

so that's not gonna work

[balmy condor]

wdym

[lavish geyser]

I see alot of movement type of stuff

light, heavy

[balmy condor]

it'll all average out at the end, but not to the level he's needing

[balmy condor]

have you

....

never simmed yourself

[lavish geyser]

-.-

[balmy condor]

patchwerk?

1 target 5 min?

[zenith elm]

Quick question does zoldycs account for nature damage or its just poison ? Wanting to know if its the same as caustic plaster

[balmy condor]

yes

everything counts basically

[lavish geyser]

this @balmy condor

[zenith elm]

Ok nice

[balmy condor]

bleeds, poisons, envenom, kingsbane

[thorn thorn]

We love Caustic Plaster

[balmy condor]

well yeah but if you're doing gear sims surely you know how to sim yourself in single target

[zenith elm]

I fcking love ya

[zenith elm]

Its the best

[lavish geyser]

I dont sim st

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

[lavish geyser]

I dont care abt St sims, I just throw in dslice

[royal lantern]

why.....?

[lavish geyser]

gear compare

[thorn thorn]

[lavish geyser]

and that is all

I have done, but we were told once by raid lead to do light movement, for loot council or something

idk

[zenith elm]

But St and djslic are not the same at all in terms of gear ? ☠️

[royal lantern]

that RL is stupid btw

[lavish geyser]

ik but I only care abt m+

[thorn thorn]

Well ye

Name a more iconic duo than RL and making stupid calls

Its like pb&j at this point

[lavish geyser]

me having optimised raid gear wont make or break the kill, mean while I play m+ way more then Raid

tbf it was low tier raiding at that point. I left quickly and joined a waaay better guild 🙂

[thorn thorn]

There is a reason some specs just dont use dslice

[balmy condor]

every day we stray further from the warm embrace of gods light

[marble hemlock]

what if thats just god peeing on us?

and it just isnt wet

[royal lantern]

m+ streamers and their followers making up the weirdest reasons why they do something

[spice spire]

I need you to seek therapy bestie

Xoxo

[thorn thorn]

My fellow M+ enjoyers beholden to me some of the most forsaken justifications for things

[marble hemlock]

buddy ive been in professional psych care for almost 2 decades and nothing worked

its just how i am

theres nothing wrong with me

[lavish geyser]

140k difference in burst window

[balmy condor]

have you tried finding a tall woman with muscles to beat the shit out of you

[spice spire]

god I can fix him

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Okay

[marble hemlock]

i tried, but didnt succeed

[spice spire]

That message after whispyr’s

Was not

The vibe I was going for

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/ckqubwv.jpeg

thats one for the scrapbook

[keen spruce]

Can you fix me quake?

[balmy condor]

against nelf yeah that might be reasonable

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Buddy idk what can fix you mister casual gamer

[keen spruce]

My sub runs out in the middle of march dw

No longer casual

[spice spire]

Ce and title

Just to quit

God bless

[keen spruce]

Professional grass toucher

[balmy condor]

wow is seasonal game

shmeeps logs in for a month, collects his bitches

and then leaves

[keen spruce]

I quit doing keys the last 3 weeks and missed title by like 20 pts

[spice spire]

Wow is actually just his hibernation cycle

[spice spire]

Tilt

[balmy condor]

is title over? I thought you had till end of season

[solar wyvern]

Shmeeps doesn't wanna play with me anymore

😦

[lavish geyser]

there we go

[keen spruce]

I knew I was gonna miss but I also knew I was quitting and did t care

[balmy condor]

that's the best way tbh

[keen spruce]

I’ll play with you whenever u want.. just not in wow

[solar wyvern]

Uwu

[keen spruce]

[thorn thorn]

Yall need to get a room

[marble hemlock]

and a camera

[keen spruce]

No camera

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-six-going-dark-cod-sergeant-mw-modern-warfare-gif-14985183

[balmy condor]

MORE

YIPPIE

[runic hinge]

Transmitter nerfs yet?

[balmy condor]

yes hello waiter? more trinket hotfixes please!

[runic hinge]

More tuning and more tuning and more tuning

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna keep waiting

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/littleprince-jd-hodlgang-hodl-bitcoin-penguin-hodl-gif-21800754

[royal lantern]

we love tuning that gets ignored for months and then gets quickly done 4 days before it goes live :3

[balmy condor]

ya ya ofc

I mean to be fair

you can't tune during PTR

cause nothing fucking works the way its supposed to

love that healing trinket though

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT buff

raid in 5 days

[royal lantern]

btw, i love that BM hunters cant use their root break anymore

[balmy condor]

yepge

[severe meadow]

Holy shit more trinket tuning

[balmy condor]

evokers can't either

[severe meadow]

Kezan nerfed

[royal lantern]

didnt they just buff our tier set by like, 600%

[balmy condor]

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

INCREDIBLE CONTENT

[ember mural]

glad i know that now before i run keys on dozzer

[dawn seal]

is war within season 1 least puggable season since last expansion

I dont get the mind set I will never pug anything

[haughty flicker]

its the only season since last expansion

so probably

[balmy condor]

yeah makes sense to me

math is checking out

[dawn seal]

like dragon flight and this

compare

I have not did any solid m+ on df

[balmy condor]

nah it's the same

[haughty flicker]

pugging is always ass

[balmy condor]

dragonflight was probably worse because of aug meta

[dawn seal]

I feel like saying I wont pug anything pugs are the reason I dont time anything is just a reason to not get better

I feel like u can only change how u play so if someone bricks it just dont care go next

[royal lantern]

DF had S2

actual DEAD season

[dawn seal]

was it hard

[royal lantern]

after 5weeks m+ was just empty

[balmy condor]

that is peak m+ gameplay yes

[hollow river]

I think they added more trinkets

To the post

[dawn seal]

idk I am losing my mind how my friends call this season hardest since shadowlands with pugs

[royal lantern]

nah, opposite

easy as hell + free loot, cus crafted gear was equal with mythic gear but just better because you could chose stats

[balmy condor]

peak m+ gameplay is sitting in town hitting the queue button for 50 minutes before a healer dies on first boss and tank leaves and you go again

[royal lantern]

so everyone had fully crafted gear and there was nothing anymore

[haughty flicker]

fuck sitting in town

im gonna be drifting around undermine while i queue for 50 minutes

[midnight mist]

peak raid gameplay is waiting 5 month that that guy in your guild finally learn the mechanic on that boss and you can go next

[haughty flicker]

real

[royal lantern]

i thought its random casts targeting you 2x in a row and you just die

[balmy condor]

that sounds better to me

[unreal kayak]

peak raid is boss parrying kingsbane

[royal lantern]

REAL

[balmy condor]

at least when I'm waiting 5 months for people to learn mechanics I'm still playing the game

queueing m+ is just cookie clicker with no numbers

[royal lantern]

it makes me feel emotions

bad emotions, but it makes me feel something at all

[drifting cloud]

whispyr how does the spymasters nerf affect assa

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

spymasters not bis

[royal lantern]

and why is kingsbane dead

[haughty flicker]

fuck

[balmy condor]

one step closer to magus dead is one step closer to assa viability

[drifting cloud]

[unreal kayak]

what if they just aura nerf mages by the dps incease a raid gets by arcane intellecrt

[royal lantern]

what if arcane int makes your warrior actually smarter so they dont go floor PoV in 26seconds again

[unreal kayak]

that is actually better

[runic hinge]

Mage is bis again

Smh my head

[royal lantern]

you know

without looking at it, i gues Fire is giga again

cus like

first patch of a expansion = fire mage goes god mode is a natural thing at this point

[balmy condor]

fire deserves it again tbh

[haughty flicker]

babe its time for your bimonthly fire mage meta

[balmy condor]

those guys were actually down horrendous

[spring moat]

fire mage was doing tank dps for the longest

[haughty flicker]

nah fuck fire mages

[balmy condor]

they were like assa in nathria type shit

[haughty flicker]

fire mages are still mages

[royal lantern]

ye sure, its just kinda funny that irs ALWAYS the first patch of the expansion

[balmy condor]

I think they got nearly 30% worth of buffs

[unreal kayak]

now all the fake mages play fire again

[runic hinge]

Their tier is super good as well

More combust cdr and always max stacks during it

[royal lantern]

how much did assa get there again, 40%?

[balmy condor]

like 26

it just felt like a lot more because each week was 5%

a billion weeks of 5%

[spring moat]

ttk i think really helped my brain

[unreal kayak]

whispyr did you play assa on stone legion ?

[balmy condor]

fire mage just randomly got like 15%

[balmy condor]

yes but I didn't kill it, sylvanas was my first CE and I only did like 150 pulls on stone legion while I was guild hopping for a trial

[quartz trellis]

Kezan still top pick presumably? For dinars I mean

[spring moat]

@balmy condor you got queen mythic didnt you?

[balmy condor]

yes I've gotten ever CE since sylv

[spring moat]

i watched a bit of your prog on court.. you looked miserable

[haughty flicker]

oof

[spring moat]

like he was doing what he was supposed to.. ranged dps was dickin around n etc iirc

[balmy condor]

that's because I was

[spring moat]

lol

[balmy condor]

like if there's one thing I am, it's direct

if I'm not having a good time, you'll know

if I am though, you'll also know

I don't hide things well

[spring moat]

prog is generally miserable tbf

[unreal kayak]

atleas you played assa and not sub like on tindral

[spring moat]

we did 4/8m and people were like nope we good

desk flip

[balmy condor]

dude sub on tindral actually made me mald so hard cause they're like ooooooohhhhh........ the root damage........ oh no.......... no root damage.......

and I'm like okay fine I'll play sub

and then 200 pulls in the fucking raid comp was literally NOTHING BUT ROOT DAMAGE

I was malding so bad

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

we went from like 0 rets and 1 warlock

to 2 rets, 2 warlocks

and then we had a dh, but we got a second, and he went full root dam too

our root dps actually tripled

[uneven plume]

Eye of Kezan dead?

[balmy condor]

I was so fucking pissed

eye of kezans fine

[spring moat]

long as i get of my transmitter ill use it

[balmy condor]

dinars aren't a thing btw

[spring moat]

144 GB and no skardyns

[haughty flicker]

gotta wait until 11.5 to get my eye of kezan

unlucky

[balmy condor]

or 11.7

or maybe never

who knows

maybe they decide to change their mind again

[haughty flicker]

they could change their mind again

would be very blizzard

[runic hinge]

Dinars tomorrow

[balmy condor]

yeah actually we think dinars are best served in legion remix

[runic hinge]

Yum

[balmy condor]

aight boys take your guess

[flint tusk]

sus

[balmy condor]

is it going to be absolute nonsense

[uneven plume]

we safe to 645 an item? got a pretty good sin ring

[balmy condor]

or is it actually going to be copyright

[haughty flicker]

fuck they got me

[balmy condor]

ye it's veteran track who fucking cares

[spring moat]

isnt it always nonsense

[uneven plume]

What about this trinket

horse piss?

[balmy condor]

sim it idk

never heard of it

probably shit

[spring moat]

i got garbage outta my boxes lol

[balmy condor]

you're correct

apparently I own the copyright to all the expansion cinematics

[runic hinge]

True

[balmy condor]

cause I streamed it on release

and then all the youtube channels that re-upload the cinematics

are now under my copyright

very cool

good system youtube! Working great!

yeah

I have the copyrights for gallywix/xal cinematic too now

get fucked bozos

youtube is such a good and well designed platform man that's incredible

[static glacier]

I need updated pins to tell me how to feel / think /

[spice surge]

Dw it got nerfed

Spymaster got nerfed but transmitter didnt

[balmy condor]

Knowing the mouse might one day hack the computerized safe and get the cheese...Fills you with determination.

[static glacier]

Might be a cooked take

Priority trink might be better than HOUSE OF CARDZ bc infinite people will be using it

[balmy condor]

good thing they don't compete for the same slot then

[haughty flicker]

my take is that ill just use whatever i can get

and since im trailing for this guild im just assuming i dont get shit

[balmy condor]

but yes there's a good chance priory will be the better on-use later on in the patch

[haughty flicker]

so priory trinket looking pretty good

[static glacier]

Fixed

[dawn seal]

Hello whispyr when did u start w riting wow head guides

like since when do u do them

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I started doing the pins and theorycraftin in nyalotha, 8.3

mystler quit the game and quit wowhead in 9.1

that's when I took over the assa guide

I then took over the method guide from cev for dragonflight

[runic hinge]

Quitting wow in 9.1 smh. Be original

[frozen glacier]

im just here to garf tbh

[deep gyro]

[haughty flicker]

right, how cliche can you get

[hollow river]

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

[brave comet]

i cant see the treacherous orb / pad stuff in raids, do people use any specific settings that makes these things visible to them

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so

I tinkered a bit but didn’t seem to make a difference idk

[haughty flicker]

im so glad i never got a transmitter

happiest ive ever been to not get loot

[onyx nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gilded oasis]

we saw it drop a good amount. I never rolled for it lol

[plain wind]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sudden hound]

play on the right side of the melee camp is the best advice i can give you

[acoustic finch]

Are the ptr servers down atm?

[runic hinge]

10 messages in the last two hours. We’re so back

[proper cosmos]

just wait for the sub nerf

[runic hinge]

Sub ain’t getting nerfed

You got specs simming over 3 mill sub is at like? 2.5

Almost 2.6

[balmy condor]

sub is middle of the pack

already got nerfed

[haughty flicker]

yeah but sub sims slightly higher than sin so it must be nerfed

[runic hinge]

Assa might get buffed but I’m not holding my breath

Imma play bleed build and get my 3k io mount and have fun regardless of how sub does

Because bleed build has two shivs!!!!

!!!

[haughty flicker]

ive been practicing sub just because theres only so much you can practice pressing shiv during lingering darkness

and its probably about time i learn both dagger specs lmao

probably still playing sin mainly

[runic hinge]

I might give it a whirl when we actually raid but idk. That spec is really do nothing between cds

[haughty flicker]

does sin really have room to talk there though

sin is do nothing between cds but also press a bleed or two

[proper cosmos]

huge burst, big numbers, really annoying to play

[haughty flicker]

tbh now that i actually understand wtf im doing with the spec it isnt as annoying as it looked to learn

the most annoying part of it is finding a shaman to use skyfury on me when i hit dummies

[proper cosmos]

for ST buffs

[oak eagle]

Rip

[runic hinge]

Seal fate keeps me occupied

[oak eagle]

No new pin yet from my goat Whispyr

[runic hinge]

We have DRY SHIV TECHNOLOGY

[haughty flicker]

i heckin love dry shiv

also bleed enjoyers

[runic hinge]

Same

[haughty flicker]

how do i use shiv

just in dm still

and for aoe

[runic hinge]

Yeah for kb

[haughty flicker]

bleed maxxers have no need for kb

[runic hinge]

Save 1 always for last 8 of kb

Ohh

You can just send them

[haughty flicker]

yeah ik how to use shiv normally lmao

ok i like that

[runic hinge]

And 2 for dm

No kb sounds comfy tho

[haughty flicker]

im running a normal dungeon

so i think kingsbane might be a bit overkill

[severe meadow]

Ran a 15 mists, no KB felt pretty good tbh

[rocky sluice]

hey all, what's the prefered race for S2 m+ for rogues 😮

just wanted to hear from here

[severe meadow]

I'm fuckin' with the bleed build

[runic hinge]

I don’t race change based on seasons. That’s crazy

[rocky sluice]

just wondering if there is a lot of mechanics that could be night elf'd or dwarf

[proper cosmos]

if you care that much, probably dwarf

[runic hinge]

If you care that much. Nelf does flips

[proper cosmos]

• you can flip over a dwarf

[runic hinge]

Also mogs look better which is more important than dps or timing keys

[calm carbon]

Bro I am new here and I’ve watched over an hour and a half of YouTube videos on the build and rotation for sin rogues. I am CONSTANTLY low on the damage meter. I WANT to play rogue, I love the class fantasy. But damn man, these rotations and upkeep are insane by comparison to other classes.

All that to say, any help would be appreciated. I understand that I need to practice, but if I’m doing something wrong, I don’t want to practice bad habits. It just hasn’t clicked with me.

[haughty flicker]

honestly the best way is to just read one of the guides linked in https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404

hit a dummy a bit, then if you have any specific questions someone here can answer them for sure

[runic hinge]

If you have logs people can look at that’s a help

Also using weakauras for tracking helps as well

[haughty flicker]

sin especially has a very static rotation, so its easy to tell when something is wrong

also

i just did 2 delves with a couple people in the guild im trailing in

and the ww died on the last boss twice

they're pretty cool tho

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[haughty flicker]

excited to get back into mythic raiding this tier

hopefully get my first ce

[river verge]

wowhead recommends forced induction/supercharger, icy veins recommends lethality (ST raid talents).. thoughts?

[golden loom]

forced induction good

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[grim jay]

Ask the robot

[subtle tundra]

whispyr... sim our trinkets

need to know for splits and loot prio....

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-gun-suicide-gif-13872495

[balmy condor]

My thought is:

uhhh…. @marble hemlock ?

[balmy condor]

When I get home, I will resim just for you

[subtle tundra]

😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊 😊

[hardy prairie]

consumables and enchants dont change next season right?

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

wednesday. again.

[balmy condor]

Correct, but depths got giga buffed and is really good in ST

[hearty seal]

there any point in having wep enchants doubling up? i.e. can you stack depths' effect?

[balmy condor]

Yep

They all stack

That’s why the standard is 2x

[zenith elm]

So now depth is much stronger than radiant on single target ?

[runic hinge]

Yes

But if you do keys it’s less good

[zenith elm]

Since i love raiding as a rogue i'll take the depths for next season then 😁

[subtle tundra]

to the depths with you

hope you get what i mean!

[lofty junco]

did the eye nerfs actualy did anything? 5% doesn't sound that massive

[limpid moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

I'll check, that sounds very sus

That is indeed shown and I have no idea why

[balmy condor]

I know of a guide where you could import the talent string a good single target build seli

[marble hemlock]

checking subcreation rq

but ye no idea why it went back to the old pre 11.0.5 talents

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Just take the ST build from Izens sheet

Whispyr cramping rn

[warm lantern]

is there a list of all commands?

!list

[balmy condor]

help has some

[warm lantern]

i guess not

[balmy condor]

it's not really meant that way though

like most of the commands are honestly just for the yappers to not have to repeat themselves a trillion times

[marble hemlock]

ye idk why it went back to the pre 11.0.5. talents. apologies for any confusion it has caused @river verge

[warm lantern]

trillion sometimes seem like a understatement

"uuh guuys are x spec viable? i raid with a wr3600 guild and they asked me to make sure"

[river verge]

all good! thanks for clarifying 🙂

[balmy condor]

"guys I'm running out of energy"

[grim jay]

Guys what do I do if I cant restealth

[balmy condor]

do I need more haste

[golden loom]

!arewecooked

[warm lantern]

should be made a counter for every rogue who crafted intellect daagger

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[grim jay]

But nothing burned itself into my mind more than "when do we press TB"

[balmy condor]

I only know one that would admit it out loud

idk if he's still playing rogue

[grim jay]

He is a spellcaster now

[balmy condor]

what color

blew?

porple?

[warm lantern]

what tb stands for?

[grim jay]

Probably purple

[balmy condor]

true bearing

nah davyn is an old fuck and can't say shiv without his meds

[grim jay]

Toxic Blade

[balmy condor]

LEGION WAS A DECADE AGO OLD MAN

WAKE UP

[warm lantern]

ah no clue what that is, i came here when they ruined my beloved shadowdust

[balmy condor]

toxic blade is just shiv

but really old

decade old

[warm lantern]

i just press what ever buttons the guides tell me to press

haha wow

[grim jay]

Was it really

[balmy condor]

yes

[warm lantern]

soulds like a porpl player

[grim jay]

Holy

Why am I so old

[balmy condor]

okay 8 years

close enough

[grim jay]

Toxic blade actually dealt dmg tho

[warm lantern]

i mean, discord aint much older

[balmy condor]

53% is not a lot

[grim jay]

Yeah but at the beginning it had a bigger modifier tho

Iirc

[subtle tundra]

guys why cant i cloak nw fist bos

[balmy condor]

yeh it did

they nuked it really fast

[grim jay]

Which is kinda sad

[balmy condor]

started at 1500% on ptr

which is fucking insane

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[grim jay]

Imagine that

With arterial

[subtle tundra]

dont need to

[balmy condor]

10cp envenom is 400% dude

[subtle tundra]

my underwear is soaked in cum anyways

[golden loom]

on a friday morning?

[subtle tundra]

its wednesday?

[red schooner]

Hes efficient

[balmy condor]

it's friday varas

[warm lantern]

i never got skardyns grace this season is the best trinket i can try to get before raid the one from priory?

[subtle tundra]

great.

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

now i gotta hate myself

[haughty flicker]

I thought it was Monday

[balmy condor]

weekend varas

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

time to dance

[grim jay]

It also had a longer cooldown than shiv, didnt it?

[subtle tundra]

i cant drink myself to sleep so no, not much dancing

[subtle tundra]

yea 25s?

[grim jay]

I might be wrong but wasnt it like 45

[balmy condor]

well originally I think it was 45 or 1 min

[subtle tundra]

oh really?

[balmy condor]

but it had a reduction per poison applied

so it ended up being like 28

[subtle tundra]

i wasnt playing that...

toxic blade, my beloved

i loved its icon

[grim jay]

Would still prefer TB being a thing

And separate to shiv

[golden loom]

its the same icon as the illidan dagger right

[subtle tundra]

bro we are almost having shiv removed cause too many buttons and you think tb will be back?

[haughty flicker]

We get both

[grim jay]

I hope, I dont think

[haughty flicker]

Shiv amps toxic blade

But only if you talent ttb

[rocky zodiac]

And Here i though they will Nerf Transmitter again. Instead they nerfed eye of kezan

[royal lantern]

they nerfed the trinket that was so strong that literally everyone would use it?

😮

[rocky zodiac]

So what? Spymaster and Transmitter were also OP af

[grim jay]

Think it was fairly decent for a universal endboss trinket

Not too strong

[rocky zodiac]

What i dont get is that Transmitter is now again BiS for some Specs because of eye nerf

[grim jay]

But now its even more in line ig

I dont like it either way

[red schooner]

Pls no

[rocky zodiac]

But im pretty Sure they will ser that and get IT nerfed again

[peak bobcat]

They need to make the goon trinket bis instead of eye

[grim jay]

They should again nerf transmitter and buff the new trinkets

[rocky zodiac]

Blizz doesnt Wang old stuff to stay relevant

[rocky zodiac]

Like eye of kezan xD

[grim jay]

Im curious if they will nerf the ring again at some point into the Patch tbh

[rocky zodiac]

They will

Prob around 11.1.5

[grim jay]

Wouldnt even surprise me if they dont

[rocky zodiac]

Just buff House xD

Our dear Flüstyr will probably Tell us at some Point today If the Trinkets Change based on the nerf

[grim jay]

I kinda like the seaforium peacemaker

Hope that thing will end up really good.

Or the mega magnet

[rocky zodiac]

Seaforium only has 50% uptime sadge

[grim jay]

Also kinda interesting how good heroic knife is yet again

So I'll be delving

[rocky zodiac]

I hate delves...

[grim jay]

They are easy and fast on sub

[rocky zodiac]

I dont say they are hard

I Just dont Like them

[grim jay]

Well, I think they are fine

They are just conflicting for me

Because I would rather farm gear in m+

[dawn heath]

well this is intresting

my dh is now simming 700k higher than my rogue in m+ talents

on single target

[quiet oar]

Toxic Blade my beloved

[snow kindle]

dh talents vs aoe n st are nearly the same

[gilded dune]

one talent is 11.1 % of the DH's dmg

get bent by a 622 ilvl one too https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fWkqaQb1ScpdpbPwS9f8ZH

[grim jay]

Well

Sin sims low

Sub sims way higher aswell

Because of the baseline buffs

[quiet oar]

I wish we were low on each other

[grim jay]

But im Dom

So you are below me

[quiet oar]

You are a sub

clearly

based on your color

[grim jay]

But my name starts with Dom

Maybe im just weird

[mortal badger]

ah yes lets sim pad build sin against a class that just got reworked on a patch day

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-dom-toretto-dominic-toretto-fast-and-furious-gif-27427360

????

[grim jay]

Yes

Exactly

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-turn-your-back-on-family-you-cant-walk-away-from-family-you-cant-leave-family-behind-you-cant-ignore-family-you-cant-disregard-family-gif-16058425

[grim jay]

But I'm closer to tourette than Toretto

[grim jay]

Exactly why I'm always in the sin channel tho

[quiet oar]

But if we are a fmaily

we have to be in Alabama

[grim jay]

My basement is called Alabama

[quiet oar]

Yours is called Saarland

[rocky zodiac]

Both Genepools are going in circles xD

[jade abyss]

Saarland jokes are the best

[rotund oak]

so saarland is germany's alabama

[jade abyss]

M+ trinkets are shit in comparrison with raid next tier?

[subtle tundra]

my ww sims 1.7 or smth

😦

[jade abyss]

Sweet home alab.. saarland

[quiet oar]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

bruh imma do better dps in splits on both of my alts than on main

I will FUCKING KILL MYSELF

EXECUTION STYLE

[jade abyss]

Dont look in the light varas

[subtle tundra]

idk what to main man

[jade abyss]

Ret

Kappa

[subtle tundra]

well i do have a ret as my 2nd alt

but we have ret main in guild

we also have ww main

if assa gets buffed and execute is important this tier, then assa is the play
but also if ww is nerfed/just not good enough then assa is also the play

ww will be better for early prog

cut my balls into pieces

[jade abyss]

Go frost dk

[subtle tundra]

yeah and be the 4th dk

😦

[jade abyss]

Cut my balls into pieces this is my last resort

[subtle tundra]

it really is no yoke

[jade abyss]

I still play sin

But i have no raid

And pugs are meh...

Bur need trinkets >.>

Maybe i play sub aswell but atm im the worst sub rogue EU

[subtle tundra]

well we are tyring to improve from wr25 which is kinda hard to be honest

so my spec is important

[jade abyss]

A group for heroic would be nice that clears fast and raid at 11 pm

[subtle tundra]

i also fuckin hate sub

[jade abyss]

Out of my league

[subtle tundra]

current iteration of sub sucks

[warm vortex]

:(

[royal lantern]

my mom is from there

(its also my aunt)

[jade abyss]

I try it out but yeah we dont talk about it x(

[runic basin]

Fingers crossed that we get some tuning..fast.

[subtle tundra]

definetly matters how much we get buffed by

a 5% buff will be irrelevant

[runic basin]

This or how hard a nerf will hit sub..

[subtle tundra]

lol if you think sub is getting nerfed

you clearly dont know much better some other classes are

[runic basin]

[rotund oak]

whats happenin' in saarland

[jade abyss]

Everything you can imagine

[rocky zodiac]

When your half sister is also your mother. Thats Saarland

[granite sentinel]

@subtle tundra u think assa getting buff this week before hc prog?

[subtle tundra]

i dont think so? i dont expect buffs yet

[granite sentinel]

[red schooner]

[subtle tundra]

if they dont buff before raid opens, then its gonna be in two weeks after to not fuck with rwf

or maybe they do buffs only no nerfs who knows..........

idk man

i hate blizzard

[lusty narwhal]

Probably week two, doubt its before unless we’re very lucky

Theyd need data to look at

[subtle tundra]

dont think you need data to nerf warrior and buff assa

[lusty narwhal]

Well you do

[subtle tundra]

yeah.... surely...

[lusty narwhal]

Because theres no data on new tier sets lol

[golden loom]

idk about arms but fury tier is like 3,5% compared to no tier

so if they get nerfed baseline, they are kinda cooked

[subtle tundra]

no they wont be

they can give them a 5% nerf and still be top 5 specs

[granite sentinel]

My full bis assa simming like 1.6kk and my arms warrior is almost 2 mil now

[golden loom]

yeah was more thinking if they get big nerfs

[lusty narwhal]

You don’t know that lol

[subtle tundra]

yeah...

sure

theres quite a lot of info on specs out there

[lusty narwhal]

Can you see into the future

[golden loom]

problem is if they dont get stronger with tier, they are gonna be really op on release of raid, and if that then brings nerfs

like last raid

and just nukes the spec

[subtle tundra]

this is knowledge top guilds have to know before raid starts

[snow kindle]

atleast we arent dks/dh who lose dmg with new tier

[subtle tundra]

you kinda know before raid starts which specs are op and which are dogshit

the specs in the mid are more ambigous

[lusty narwhal]

Sims are one thing, real world performance is another

[subtle tundra]

yeah sure cause there hasnt been a ptr

[lusty narwhal]

With what percentage of the player base

[subtle tundra]

why does that matter

when the top players are testing

and they have actual data

to know

but alas

[robust axle]

Doesnt require a PhD in guess work to know that Warriors are over the top atm

[lusty narwhal]

They are

But so is sub

[subtle tundra]

[lusty narwhal]

And using current sets

[robust axle]

Sub is strong, sure. It aint Warrior damage though

[grim jay]

Are we finally back to dented nerf calling?

[subtle tundra]

YES FUCK THOSE OTHER PEOPLE
DONT BUFF ASSA. BRING EVERYONE ELSE DOWN TO US

TANK AND DPS SHOULD DO THE SAME NUMBERS.

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

I doubt nerf fury

[royal lantern]

it all stays inside the Family

[quiet oar]

Yes

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-always-room-for-family-family-first-family-is-important-theres-always-time-for-family-household-gif-16055741

[sharp viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten pollen]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hearty seal]

seen some of them whine the whole time too

[karmic spoke]

Im trying to learn assassination and I seem to be energy starved after the opener going in envenom rotation, any pointers?

[hollow talon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[royal lantern]

@karmic spoke