#assassination
spice spire
hearty reef
the speech bubble is below your name
gusty mirage
the speech bubble is below your name
Jokes on you I can’t read
warm vortex
soft surge
imagine if dashing and doomblade swapped spots like the people requested
soft surge
apparantly we must stick to the lore of poisons and bleeds so it cant happen
warm vortex
We need more bleed and poison types
I wanna inject acid into people
Ik it’s not poison
spice spire
imagine if dashing and doomblade swapped spots like the people requested
I mean this only matters in m+, dashing below TTK makes sense since the two synergize so well. Doomblade is just a bad talent that picked the worse part of the legendary to follow
warm vortex
But hush
spice spire
Instead of the entirety
warm vortex
I mean this only matters in m+, dashing below TTK makes sense since the two syne...
It would be cooler tho
So that’s all that mayyers
soft surge
it doomblade undertuned then?
can it do more dmg or something
atm its just a puddle of shit we gotta walk through to get sbs
spice surge
Ye we need some more envenom damage
royal lantern
I mean this only matters in m+, dashing below TTK makes sense since the two syne...
stop being resonable
royal lantern
Ye we need some more envenom damage
based and real
if envenom is not 96% of my dmg, why even play
spice spire
Just a node to get to a talent
warm vortex
based and real
if envenom is not 96% of my dmg, why even play
Should be 97
spice spire
May as well be blank
soft surge
just delete it or make a new talent then
instead of focusing on muh tier boners
wheres that rogue dev
ill do it myself
royal lantern
spice spire
Correct Doomblade just natty 1’d
royal lantern
yep
soft surge
it is gatewalling us to sbs and brick walling us to m+ st damage
golden loom
and if all talents were great, then why even have pathways or anything just let us blanket pick anything
warm vortex
Make envenom extend our bleeds so we REALLY don’t have to press anything else
peak bobcat
Make bleeds do all our damage and give no energy back so I only press envenom during CDs
royal lantern
it is gatewalling us to sbs and brick walling us to m+ st damage
you literally dont need sbs for m+
soft surge
yes you do
royal lantern
its literally 1 of the talents you can drop for something else
soft surge
like what
royal lantern
is it a talent that feels good? yeha sure it does, but its not "needed" at all, it just removes a single FoK from your aoe opener lol
golden loom
the beauty of doomblade and SBS being together is if you drop SBS, you get to drop 2 talents
royal lantern
^ that aswell
warm vortex
I like it in M+ because of muscle memory
People don’t take SBS for the damage they take it for the setup time wich I guess could be better for lower keys
So I understand running it always in lower keys, but when you get higher I can see someone dropping it for more damage
Same situation with IW
It’s a utility talent you should replace w damage for higher keys
soft surge
where do i go now @royal lantern
golden loom
yeah u get to take TTK and ur dashing
subtle tundra
where do i go now <@346293680883236864>
to the spec tab
soft surge
and never be able to use cds on aoe cos it would take 100 gcds to set up?
subtle tundra
and change to sub
golden loom
SBS saves 1 GCD
warm vortex
and never be able to use cds on aoe cos it would take 100 gcds to set up?
Bro what level are you playing
2s?
Even on like 10s you prolly still have time
soft surge
i gave up pugging at 3200
warm vortex
SBS is nice, yes. But you can get damage from other things that beat out SBS
So you should know that you can drop SBs then
From experience
soft surge
not really
slate crown
and change to sub
real
soft surge
even my unconventional gb build uses sbs
warm vortex
even my unconventional gb build uses sbs
That looks…
warm vortex
Ohhh ok
soft surge
its full and its locked in
slate crown
It isn't full 🦀
If you want to full 🦀 you have to commit to the bit and drop deathmark
golden loom
nah that build needs to drop kingsbane for arterial
soft surge
doesnt even matter anymore tiers over
pliant remnant
Needs to drop IC too
slate crown
I spent way too much time on this
pliant remnant
otherwise it's not unconventional enough
warm vortex
If someone brought that to a GB run is fucking kick them or tell them to leave
soft surge
we need to sawp doomblade and dashing or its gg got assa in m+
warm vortex
I spent way too much time on this
Why do people call it the crab build
golden loom
Needs to drop IC too
nah IC is key to bleedmaxing
pliant remnant
?
pliant remnant
bleedmaxing is conventional
warm vortex
Oh haha
soft surge
If someone brought that to a GB run is fucking kick them or tell them to leave
it does top dam lmao
warm vortex
Can I see the crab build then
soft surge
it is complete controll
soft surge
tanks are never dying casts are not going off
warm vortex
The regular build
warm vortex
tanks are never dying casts are not going off
You can do that without iron wire
soft surge
its also fun af to play
warm vortex
As many people do in high keys
soft surge
people who do high keys are miserable af
haughty flicker
based
soft surge
with a group u can push to like 16s? and have fun but any higher and its work
warm vortex
people who do high keys are miserable af
Incorrect
People who play keys are miserable
slate crown
Can I see the crab build then
warm vortex
Become an RP player
warm vortex
Haha oh my god
KB being your only cd
It doesn’t make sense though…
WAIT I WAS GONNA SAY CRABS CANT HOLD A KINGBSNE
But the fucking
Image of the crab knife exists
Nvm lore accurate
haughty flicker
golden loom
time to run some 10s
golden loom
is there something I can drop MA for 
soft surge
drop ma for lightweight shiv 
golden loom
drop ma for lightweight shiv <:pepelafington:1123397251256033301>
I have both shiv talents already
warm vortex
I remember you insulting me when I first joined and asked a brain dead question
golden loom
they are good with arterial
warm vortex
/pos
soft surge
you need blindside for boss execution
royal lantern
@balmy condor watched your last video, and that was the add i had on my sidebar
"not sponsored" my ass
haughty flicker
lore accurate
warm vortex
you need blindside for boss execution
The way you say that
Implies you literally like
Chop their heads off
pliant remnant
warm vortex
“Forget the talent, he goes to the block
royal lantern
Chop their heads off
french rogues
warm vortex
Also genuinely gonna miss gb
soft surge
theres some big boy adds in gb that need it
warm vortex
NOOOO
Throngs get whipped again if he no finish
soft surge
i wonder if people are gunna roll rogue for next seas
nova aspen
warm vortex
Tbh for like most of the community it’s if they enjoy it
Reason I’m thinking of changing to BM
nova aspen
im going rogue and ele sham
warm vortex
Because I enjoy the fantasy and rota
warm vortex
im going rogue and ele sham
Do you know smeef/some guy
soft surge
ele sham for raid or m+?
royal lantern
Because I enjoy the fantasy and rota
heeeeey, we need a ele shaman next tier 
why did it ping you
jfc discord
warm vortex
Because it knows
nova aspen
Do you know smeef/some guy
nope
warm vortex
I got that ele blood
nova aspen
ele sham for raid or m+?
both
soft surge
i think a ranged alt might be important
warm vortex
Posted a gift in ptr ages ago showing how fucking insane shams burst was
nova aspen
im raiding in 2 guilds, one guild is old frens for aotc 1 night a week
warm vortex
He showed a gif of sham doing 20 mil burst
nova aspen
other is for rogue for CE
warm vortex
And was what brought a lot of attention to it
He got his own command in the shaman discord
That would play the gif
nova aspen
Posted a gift in ptr ages ago showing how fucking insane shams burst was
oh yea i saw that
the bugged stormkeeper
warm vortex
And I’m p sure he had a hand in it getting nerfed
Hence his details name in our raids now being “some guy”
He is also genuinely insane at the spec
nova aspen
ele sham is fun as fuck
warm vortex
Like normally top dps in our kills
warm vortex
He even beat me in overall damage in our rashnan kill
I still got like top ST dps
warm vortex
There was a time where whenever he talked in chat people told him to fuck off
Cause he brought attention to how much damage ele did
And it was getting nerfed
warm vortex
Yea ofc
But he was the first one to like
Show it off cause he really liked the PtR rota
nova aspen
i wish rogue was as cool as ele sham
nova aspen
all the visuals and the new ascendance is just so badass
warm vortex
Yea
Tbh, and I know I’m a broken record
Exactly how I feel about BM
Like finishing a fight and seeing 5+ beasts summoned just gathering around me
I’m like
“Damn that’s sick”
nova aspen
yep lol
warm vortex
And plus I love collecting hunter pets
Love how they make it so you can tame raid and dungeon bosses
nova aspen
my hunter has all the spectral tigers
never did level him to 80 tho
he still in DF gear
warm vortex
Fair rn I have
The raven lord boss
Thunder paw
Oondasta
And fetid
nimble willow
Every time I try hunter, I get super bored 😂
But I love all the aesthetics
They get some really cool drip too
haughty flicker
i would genuinely main bm hunter if it didnt make me fall asleep
it has everything i would want in a spec
except for interesting gameplay
lmao
havent tried/paid attention to the pack leader rework though maybe that helps
nova aspen
ye i think its the easiest spec in the game
royal lantern
havent tried/paid attention to the pack leader rework though maybe that helps
its still 100% passive
nova aspen
a WA to track 3 frenzy stacks then just spam kill command
royal lantern
nothing changed there really
haughty flicker
unlucky
royal lantern
like, its more "pack leader" cus it summons pets now instead of "kill command does more dmg"
but its still just "you summon 1 of 3 random pets that do different things that do dmg"
warm vortex
Tbh
royal lantern
no controll, no real gameplay, just a pet appears and does dmg
warm vortex
BM is simple, but I like it for that
royal lantern
ye sure
haughty flicker
oh its definitely a good thing to have specs like bm hunter in the game
spice surge
I mean something looking cool is often equally, if not more, important than it being fun to play
warm vortex
You dtill have tools and you can technically do some stuff to increase your dps. However, my main enjoyment is the flavour
haughty flicker
im not saying i dislike it because its simple, i just dislike how it plays
warm vortex
I mean something looking cool is often equally, if not more, important than it b...
Yea
Hell if it was shit I’d still play it
haughty flicker
i actually really enjoy ret and its also very simple
warm vortex
im not saying i dislike it because its simple, i just dislike how it plays
That’s completly understandable
royal lantern
I mean something looking cool is often equally, if not more, important than it b...
for 95% of players, its literally just "looks cool " and "does high dmg" lol
warm vortex
I hate boomie despite it being simple
warm vortex
for 95% of players, its literally just "looks cool " and "does high dmg" lol
That’s the beauty of specs
haughty flicker
and yeah a big reason for liking ret is that it looks cool as fuck
warm vortex
The flavour
royal lantern
if ret paladin was less flashy, it would be less popular with the same gameplay
haughty flicker
you pop giant glowing wings and summon giant fucking hammers from the sky
warm vortex
If it was just
“Spec 1” “spec 2” “spec 3” it would be boring
warm vortex
if ret paladin was less flashy, it would be less popular with the same gameplay
Also
Paladin is a classic fantasy role
royal lantern
If it was just
“Spec 1” “spec 2” “spec 3” it would be boring
you mean like "eviscerate" and "green eviscerate"?
warm vortex
HAHAHA SHUSHHH
nova aspen
and with rogue we just poke people with a green or purple trace
warm vortex
Stop invalidating my point
nova aspen
warm vortex
XD
warm vortex
lol
Tbh in my head
My goblins an alchemist that constantly tries different potions and flasks
So she does sometime make posions
And decides
“I wonder if I can kill someone’s with this”
:D
But hey that’s just lil headcannon things
I need to make more for the rest of my characters
nova aspen
surely u have a matching alchemist mog for that
warm vortex
Not rlly haha
I should make one though X)
nimble willow
I saw a survey once that mentioned an alchemist like spec
Probably never going to happen, but I'd player healer so fucking fast it wouldn't be funny
golden loom
+10 Grim batol... 16 deaths.. timer failed... but the enemies did bleed
golden loom
most scuffed run I have ever seen
on the dragon boss I somehow got threat and meleed to death
I assume my dk did not press a single button
golden loom
just realized we had quite the theme to our comp
subtle tundra
Based caustic denier
slender trail
mass aoe question (think first pull of ara all the way to mini boss): do we still garrote and rupture as many as we can, or just 6ish and then go into normal fan spam rotation? is there a cutoff point where putting out bleeds just isn't worth the GCDs? i guess also important is that this is a +10, so mobs don't live suuuper long but still probably 45 seconds...
subtle tundra
Garrote is super good
Rupture after 5 is not worth
To mention: garrote from stealth
Not random ones
celest helm
mass aoe question (think first pull of ara all the way to mini boss): do we stil...
In a +10 just basic opener and try to get ur cds on miniboss asap, in a 10 youll almost never get ur full KB off
ember mural
Big demise approves
Looks like your spriest and awah's feral 
spice spire
I did 1.4 the other day on my spriest!!! Hater’s
lofty junco
do we still play 2pc+2pc until 670 ilvl?
subtle tundra
No
lofty junco
so with the changes we would go for the new 4PC?
static glacier
yes
gilded oasis
I did 1.4 the other day on my spriest!!! Hater’s
He's huge
spare crow
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spice spire
Quakemother as a he would be interesting
jaunty venture
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errant heath
Do you guys Marco TT to Shiv?
I usually only use TT on 2nd shiv during the opener but I’m seeing a lot of people use it on first as well
spice spire
Yes
royal lantern
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
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midnight arrow
ok dumb question but on subsequent DMs would that not use tt on the first shiv and not the 2nd, which seems slightly suboptimal?
or does it just not matter
runic hinge
Doesn't matter
midnight arrow
that's wild
runic hinge
a lot of tea's value is in the energy not the mastery especially since they nerfed kb a few times so juicing kb is less important
proven jasper
When kb is doing less than a dn envenom 
spice spire
runic hinge
Can't wait for my next patch dry shiv DN envenom to be more than a whole kb
runic hinge
and since it's 25 seconds you'd need to rupture in there anyways
runic hinge
so its more like 2
royal lantern
not mindlessly re-apply dots cus the tierset is shit??
spice spire
Tf is sub even
runic hinge
a burst class that doesnt wanna lose its burst to a random chance
main plover
Idk i think it’s fine
everyone who actually tried it says its fine
rocky zodiac
How does it look right now Sin > Sub or Sub > Sin?
spice spire
Yeah but I’m a hater so?
runic hinge
real
proven jasper
Damn
humble verge
How does it look right now Sin > Sub or Sub > Sin?
proven jasper
its been longer since u touched me tho
proven jasper
runic hinge
How does it look right now Sin > Sub or Sub > Sin?
ask on tuesday when tuning gets done again
and then the next tuesday
rocky zodiac
😄
runic hinge
and then the tuesday after when they tune again
proven jasper
Damn i wanna go tubing with tony
runic hinge
There is plenty of snow for it
proven jasper
Yeah same here
spice spire
The only thing I’m tubing is his colon
proven jasper
runic hinge
okay bye going to work
spice spire
Be safe mister nugz
ionic fox
Until it gets parried
royal lantern
everyone who actually tried it says its fine
how many say that because sub is overtuned?
cerulean walrus
All my homies hate Subtlety
proven jasper
Its actually barely above assa last i heard
spice spire
Its actually barely above assa last i heard
2.4?
royal lantern
"bro the tier set is not that bad in gameplay!"->when top dmg
"wtf they doing, this plays so bad!"->when its not top dmg
spice spire
Solid 10%
royal lantern
100% lol
proven jasper
Think? The sub 4 set still dropping 66% of the time
or not working 66% of the time
spice spire
I mean he does we talked about it already
proven jasper
Bro i am completely fine with the degen gameplay either way
A burst spec holding damage for. Burst
Isnt really that hard of a concept
cerulean walrus
I mean he does we talked about it already
Quake I swear on my mother and father and grandmother and grandfather I will pummel your bussy into submission
royal lantern
thats "playing" around a shity oversight
peak bobcat
Doesn’t even matter we can at least sleep good at night knowing we don’t play outlaw
main plover
how many say that because sub is overtuned?
is sub overtuned tho?
royal lantern
on ptr? ye
spice surge
Its not
royal lantern
its why people instantly hype it up for rogue
spice surge
Other specs sim like 15-20% higher
peak bobcat
Sub is playable
spice spire
Quake I swear on my mother and father and grandmother and grandfather I will pum...
Brother I’m about to give you backshots so cataclysmic I’m going to exorcise the ohio man out of you (because I’ll be the tennessee man in u)
spice surge
Its just assa being undertuned
main crypt
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proven jasper
🙂
spice spire
Dks and warriors laughing at rogue
cerulean walrus
Brother I’m about to give you backshots so cataclysmic I’m going to exorcise the...
Call him Deathwing the way he starts the bussy cataclysm
spice spire
main plover
i saw some warri and dh sims that make sub look weak
proven jasper
Calling sub overtuned when warrior 3.8 mil exe sims
main plover
but dh sims high cause of bugs iirc
proven jasper
proven jasper
Yeah arms is CRACKED
peak bobcat
Big tuning patch coming, sub and sin upper middle end of tuning and maybe the best melee
Trust
Rogue back on top
main plover
need some actual rogue changes for that to happen 
royal lantern
Rogue back on top
we are not tops
hollow river
on ptr? ye
it really isn't tbh
spice spire
Yeah arms is CRACKED
Fury is 3.0 lol
cerulean walrus
Outlaw on top somehow post tuning
proven jasper
Wow
cerulean walrus
spice spire
Warrior is just cranking
main plover
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222660886397718681/1341885010956783636/1...
massive true
proven jasper
Yeah idk sub never seemed that overtuned to me
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222660886397718681/1341885010956783636/1...
God damn that made me laugh
peak bobcat
Cranking on ptr is a bad thing
proven jasper
Just best of the rogue specs rn
peak bobcat
Means you’re getting fucked sooner than later (ignore enhance)
royal lantern
Means you’re getting fucked sooner than later (ignore enhance)
funny thing there is
hollow river
Just best of the rogue specs rn
idk if i'd even say that ngl
royal lantern
if they nuked enh
ele would be just as strong
like, enh/ele tuning rn is soooooo insane
proven jasper
Crazy
royal lantern
but then they use ascendance and pump 129million dps again
peak bobcat
Rogue is going to be just fine, water will find its level
cloud basin
Nah see if rogue got buffed I'd hear about it non stop because too many DH players I know complain about rogue lol
royal lantern
huh
peak bobcat
People can’t take it that rogue players are so handsome and skilled and they get jealous
royal lantern
HUH
cloud basin
I am indeed a cutie rogue player lol
hollow river
royal lantern
peak bobcat
main plover
runic hinge
People can’t take it that rogue players are so handsome and skilled and they get...
REAL
rotund oak
peak bobcat
copper sun
Can i cloak beam in p2 of Queen?
prisma parrot
Am I crazy, or does Ambush miss a ton......just coming back since Legion.
royal lantern
huh?
thats not a thing
you can get parried if you hit a raid boss from the front
thats it
prisma parrot
Must have had something keybound wrong......it was just initiating auto attack......guess that's why mark never got applied, lol.
golden loom
If you get pulled out of stealth by like boss aoe or for example try to shadowstep ambush from stealth it sometimes autos
gilded oasis
Do you have a start auto attack macro I think that used to be a thing macrod into a few buttons
prisma parrot
No ambush macro.....probably me screwing up while relearning. It's working after I redid the keybinds. Thanks for the help.
prisma parrot
Will do.
wispy viper
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wispy viper
hey my sneaky friends any idea why cevs profile is no longer recoloring my plater bar green when the target has caustic spatter on it?
runic hinge
Do you have dsm on it?
spice spire
hey my sneaky friends any idea why cevs profile is no longer recoloring my plate...
It never did it with caustic. It recolored with sbs right
Or if it did my colorblind ass couldn’t tell
wispy viper
It never did it with caustic. It recolored with sbs right
idk maybe im confused but i was messing with my ui a bunch last night and now my plater is no longer recoloring my caustic splatter target
it was definitely cevs profile i was using but maybe i downloaded an extra mod of that function or something i dont remember lol
runic hinge
It never did it with caustic. It recolored with sbs right
He changed it
spice spire
I redownloaded
But still don’t see it but I also use the wa function because again colorblind
runic hinge
I’m using whisp’s stuff now just to change things up after using cevs for all of DF
It’s like when you rearrange your room as a kid and it feels like a whole new home
hearty reef
wispy viper
yeah i fixed it some how idk what was goin on
hearty reef
Ask and shall receive ig
balmy condor
Yep
spice spire
Can’t wait for the 50% envenom buff
empty peak
yo guys what is the fastest way to level to 80 Im 26 rn but no one queues to timewalking dungeons
hollow river
timewalking dungeons and questing is pretty much it
subtle kiln
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wow shop
west crown
So with tier buff we are simming like 2.6 now instead of 2.3-2.4?
static glacier
yo guys what is the fastest way to level to 80 Im 26 rn but no one queues to tim...
pay for a boost
with gold or irl cash, to blizz or boosters
empty peak
I dont have gold 😦 anyway Im 33 rn
haughty flicker
also not a bad option yeah
i remember in the past valsharah was one of the fastest places to level, so its probably still pretty good
runic hinge
Legion also has good campaigns imo
dapper cradle
spamming timewalking is so fast ngl
if you can go tank or healer spec
just sit in timewalking dungeons
dawn seal
how is the next tiers design for assasianton
buoyant herald
Keep on stabbin
haughty flicker
it could be significantly worse thats for sure
dawn heath
tried some assa on the PR
PTR
spec isn't great
in m+
other specs do more aoe than us and also like 60% more single target so
dont see any reason for it to be good at all
haughty flicker
its always joever here in rogue discord
tawdry halo
dawn heath
granted havoc and bm are amongst the most op classes now on ptr but still
tawdry halo
well, my guild is full of idiots who dont understand how to interrupt in m+ so
I'll be fine
dawn heath
i think sub might be better in keys
tawdry halo
tbh
dawn heath
the single target now is just completely unviable in sin
dawn heath
like in season 1
you could offset your bad ST from your AoE
but other classes have better aoe too
so really no point to play sin
tawdry halo
is sub even good enough to be picked over other classes tho?
maybe it's not a rog m+ meta tier
celest helm
spec isn't great
I just did almost 5mil overall in a ptr m+ what are you saying, been testing sin and it feels great lo
St is weak still but its aoe feels massive
celest helm
I had some cheesed gear
dawn heath
I just did almost 5mil overall in a ptr m+ what are you saying, been testing sin...
which duengon?
celest helm
Priory
celest helm
Also happy birthday mister rat
Thanks king
dawn heath
did u end up on 5mil after the duengon?
celest helm
Nah it was like 4.6 or something overall
I can check if i have the details still when i get back to pc
dawn heath
i mean, sure but there is really no point
u do like half the dps on single target compared to a fire mage
spice spire
Priory seems like it has decent pulls for sin as well.
Also a 2t boss fight and big aoe on the last boss
Help offset the st issue
celest helm
There is def a point, assas good. If you prefer the other specs tho just play the other specs lol
dawn heath
thats a loose definition of good
celest helm
Priory seems like it has decent pulls for sin as well.
Also a 2t boss fight and ...
Yeah priory felt very good for sin
celest helm
thats a loose definition of good
Idk i think it feels the same or even better after the hotfix tbh
dawn heath
compared to other specs
celest helm
I think rogue will look good for keys, maybe not "godcomp" but it will be seen in high keys no doubt in my mind
dawn heath
the single target of this spec is absolutely atrocious borderline griefing
other specs have gained
celest helm
Its st was bad in s1 too. I know Yoda just put assa as an A tier spec on his most recent update too
runic hinge
Imagine basing what you’re gonna play on ptr numbers. 
Couldn’t be me.
dawn heath
Its st was bad in s1 too. I know Yoda just put assa as an A tier spec on his mos...
he played 1 key with a sin rogue
good data
strange sleet
I mean, isn't sin always kinda good because of damage profile? Sure ST sucks, but if there are no other PI targets, and since haste is biggest DPS gain in ST, it might make it acceptable
runic hinge
They tune every week through rwf and then after it ends. Kinda wild to think this is final tuning.
celest helm
Its all guessing at this point no matter what unfort, but iv played many ptr keys as sub and assa, and sin feels very good, super fluid in these dungeons mostly as well, but sub has potential to be better. Who knows tho, its ptr lololol just know i cant agree that sin feels bad
misty holly
The new set bonus change is a big buff, right? That seems really good now.
celest helm
I mean, isn't sin always kinda good because of damage profile? Sure ST sucks, bu...
Youll have a better pi target than sin forsure in ur key like mage or lock
strange python
Its all guessing at this point no matter what unfort, but iv played many ptr key...
U just said you hard disagree on sub
I am confusion
dawn heath
thing is, if you do trivial content it doesnt matter but if u play high keys this season assa ST is a real liability to your group it only works cause your enhance overcompensates
strange python
dawn heath
if you actually try playing like a comp with another low ST spec in your party it just doesnt work
deep gyro
all these garfield emotes everywhere XD
dawn heath
u would need to get carried
strange sleet
Youll have a better pi target than sin forsure in ur key like mage or lock
well then that makes things more diffcicult
strange python
runic hinge
This tuning isn’t final. Please. I beg all of you. Find something else to do than talk about shit that’ll change in 5 days.
celest helm
U just said you hard disagree on sub
Dont recall that but maybe a typo, i hard disagree that sin is bad. Sub or assa both feel good with different damage profiles, played both, both feel fine. Neither will be god comp imo but both will be fun
dawn heath
This tuning isn’t final. Please. I beg all of you. Find something else to do tha...
unless they rework assa it will do forever shit ST
strange python
Actually very hard disagree
spice spire
runic hinge
<a:insanecat:1093978367159717991>
Me
dawn heath
3% aura buff will not change anything
celest helm
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
Reading comprehension
strange sleet
unless they rework assa it will do forever shit ST
I don't think a rework is needed tho, depends on what you consider rework also but yeah
strange python
Bro rogue might be
Not sin but sub maybe
Hard disagree
celest helm
Things feel good, dont doom, also dont be bothered either way its ptr lol. Send it and try to enjoy it
Stab things and prosper friends
celest helm
Its ptr
deep gyro
who gives a shit doe, if u don't like it don't play it. go with the fotm
celest helm
10 more tuning passes will happen, goodluck boys
haughty flicker
its playable as long as you have a good transmog
celest helm
its playable as long as you have a good transmog
Real
strange sleet
Yeah I really like my t2 female orc with shards of azzinoth. Oldschool is the best
I must say tho, this new tier looks pretty good
I like it
runic hinge
Its ptr
I want to scream this at everyone who comes in here and posts details and acts like the tuning there is final
celest helm
I want to scream this at everyone who comes in here and posts details and acts l...
Happens all day everyday lol, people gotta learn to take ptr with a BIG grain of salt
spice spire
I prefer it with garlic powder so I’m going to yell at you about it
strange sleet
well dudes, don't act like PTR cycle are irrelevant
you can get conclussions out of it
in fact is the only info one can go about
keen spruce
the irrelevant information that people are sharing from PTR
is still irrelevant
just because it's the only source of information
runic hinge
Yes but they tune the day of the patch. The day of season. The first two weeks into the season and then immediate after rwf. We are pretending they leave it as is for what
keen spruce
doesn't mean all of the information is accurate, relevant, or important
strange sleet
Like for example enh shaman. You can't know how it's gonna end, sure. But looking at how they have been tuning it, one could say with a certain degree of confidence, that it's not going to be as OP as in s1.
Or at least one could say it looks like blizz doesn't want them to be as OP as s1.
keen spruce
(slur)
\ 
runic hinge
Like for example enh shaman. You can't know how it's gonna end, sure. But lookin...
Yeah and the tuning isn’t final so why we gotta sit in here every day like they aren’t gonna tune more when the last 5 patch cycles have shown we’re not even close to done.
You wanna play fotm go ahead but at least wait til tuning is final to cry about what’s op and not
I’m not saying you specifically
strange sleet
Because wow is dead rn and ppl like to yap
also talking about it is good for the spec I think
keen spruce
runic hinge
I mean talking about changes we’d like to see or improvements to the spec is fine but tuning is so useless
Maybe they can fix class tree so we have less nodes for damage in there. And fucking shadow heart is a real talent
But ptr tuning is useless to discuss
strange python
I don’t think it’s fully useless, they don’t gut the top specs for m+ they gut whatever happens in raid
strange sleet
But ptr tuning is useless to discuss
yes, kinda. But not totally I think
strange python
Whispyr shotgunning monster procced realz
haughty flicker
a man of culture
strange python
Indeed
spice spire
No shot
sharp falcon
more bpm = more apm = more dps (???)
runic hinge
Always
runic hinge
yes, kinda. But not totally I think
Show me a major patch .1 .2 .3 where they don’t do major tuning day of and I’ll shotgun a monster rn
strange python
More bpm, more apm = more dps, realz just leaked outlaw buffs gg
keen spruce
spice spire
fuck
It’s actually a prot warrior tier king
Insane apm
Revert it
Bring it back buff it
runic hinge
haughty flicker
glad stance finally back
spice surge
It’s a law tier guys
Even if it is, it aint
spice spire
Even if it is, it aint
REAL
strange python
Even if it is, it aint
Real
runic hinge
balmy condor
more bpm = more apm = more dps (???)
heart is a muscle, train until failure
fringe spear
wait a second
thin portal
Is this real life?
runic hinge
@balmy condor where is this on the tier list
fringe spear
i randomly show up to discords sometimes
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> where is this on the tier list
it's aight
strange sleet
Show me a major patch .1 .2 .3 where they don’t do major tuning day of and I’ll ...
They do big changes even in the live version of the game. They need objective data and player feedback.
So yeah it's useles to talk about because they will change things. But at the same time you have to talk about it to make the changes happen.
fringe spear
Show me a major patch .1 .2 .3 where they don’t do major tuning day of and I’ll ...
can you shotgun a monster anyway?
runic hinge
No cause I drank it already
fringe spear
and ?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> where is this on the tier list
Have you tried this one
spice surge
Theres always room for another one
strange python
Have you tried this one
So many monsters we don’t have in German/Austria
Im so jelly
balmy condor
So many monsters we don’t have in German/Austria
this one legit just came out afaik
my dad saw it and was like wtf that's new
brought like 5 home
strange python
Man I was looking to order some of the ones we don’t have
But then again
Paying for shipping from the us
Is a bit rough for some monster
spice surge
Bro is down bad for the new monster flavours
haughty flicker
lmao
balmy condor
pause
strange python
I gotta stack up for the tier bro
strange python
I got told today I might be free to play rogue instead of getting into dh jail because ours bailed
If that goes through
I’ll need a lot of monster
thin portal
Hi sin rogues, it's been awhile.
strange python
Im not sleeping
runic hinge
Have you tried this one
No
strange python
Till tier is over
spice spire
Bro is down bad for the new monster flavours
Hey
strange python
I‘m still rocking Lewis Hamilton edition as my go to
runic hinge
I’ll look for it this weekend
strange python
The problem is my guy signed with Ferrari so his monster sponsor is gone
And it might be gone soon
It’s a serious problem because wtf do I drink then
My gf recommended water
She’s not allowed to speak anymore
strange sleet
orange juice
balmy condor
I‘m still rocking Lewis Hamilton edition as my go to
that shit ass
I'm gonna say it
spice surge
Water is the sensible healthy option
balmy condor
anti-based of you to be sluggin on lewis hamilton piss
strange python
that shit ass
It’s hit or miss for everyone I talked to
People either love or hate it
It’s just a worse version of the sugar free peach tbh - which is not available anywhere
Fuck can you do
balmy condor
what
strange python
I take the next best option
strange python
I have to go to „American Candy“ stores to buy peach
balmy condor
maybe I just shut up
balmy condor
yeh that's wild
thin portal
I was told to come here but nothing happenings
haughty flicker
thats what they called me in college
thin portal
Armin why you set us up the bomb
strange python
I told you to come here because there was a guy saying realz doesn’t talk to rogues anymore
And the second after
He types in here
He just doesn’t like outlaw fr
haughty flicker
realz doesnt talk to outlaw rogues
thin portal
thin portal
Well we provide lots of feedback but he must not like it.
thin portal
runic hinge
You guys also sent him death threats so I can see why he avoids your channel
thin portal
That is not representative of outlaw as a whole.
haughty flicker
ehh
runic hinge
Doesn’t really matter
thin portal
It does, if he wants feedback he should get it from the outlaw enjoyers.
Not the trolls
haughty flicker
i think he just wanted to react to a gif of whispyr shotgunning a monster
thin portal
haughty flicker
meanwhile outlaws tracking his ass down wherever he appears
thin portal
spice surge
The class discords are skewed towards high end players in the type of feedback that gets provided too, thats not to say that its useless, but its not necessarily the best ideas for the game as a whole
haughty flicker
im just here to skew the discord back towards low end skill level
runic hinge
Same
tawdry halo
same
thin portal
Well after killing off the outlaw player base what do you expect from remaining outlaw enjoyers. It's not happy feedback. But it can still be constructive feedback.
tawdry halo
#wearethe99%
strange python
I like big burst in not so many seperate hits 
strange python
Well after killing off the outlaw player base what do you expect from remaining ...
You realize rogue playerbase is very low in general
spice surge
Well after killing off the outlaw player base what do you expect from remaining ...
Theres more outlaw players than sub players this expac
haughty flicker
i liked the suggestion that sectec be split into a million hits that all summon a clone
strange python
Sin had a bit of a comeback because it was deemed op at some point in the season and people rerolled like they always do
But in general rogue has a very low playrate
tawdry halo
only monk and evoker have fewer people playing them
runic hinge
Actually we’re below monk
tawdry halo
we're WHAT
haughty flicker
you rerolled to sin because it was op
i rerolled to sin because i got old
we are not the same
balmy condor
We rerolled?
thin portal
Yeah but also outlaw playerbase dropped by at least half in this season alone
runic hinge
Cause all the yellows are fotm for m+ anyways
strange python
I rerolled before but I rerolled to sin because it’s just feral with more qol
balmy condor
The caravan moves on
haughty flicker
my guild asked me if i could learn sub for smolderon
balmy condor
You’d probably see the same increase in like shaman
thin portal
Is it new motto for blizzard to push people to reroll?
balmy condor
The community is the one pushing for rerolls
spice surge
Also its not new
haughty flicker
the community and its obsession with tier lists
thin portal
balmy condor
Every other week people go NEW GOD COMP??? OP OP PLAY NOW!!!
What’s blizzard supposed to do about that
thin portal
Yeah but that's also based on tuning of each spec.
spice surge
No, its based on the perceived strength of the spec
thin portal
Players simply find the highest tuned specs.
spice surge
Those are not the same thing a lot of the time, esp early on in the season
thin portal
balmy condor
We’re talking like the upper range of title determining what’s meta and not
tawdry halo
ridiculous that the top 0.03% of keys makes your average +10 enjoyer reject some specs over others
smh
balmy condor
ridiculous that the top 0.03% of keys makes your average +10 enjoyer reject some...
Welcome to m+
runic hinge
It is but that’s not blizzards fault
strange python
It is what it is in any game that has any competitive incentive
tawdry halo
Welcome to m+
thanks, been here since legion
haughty flicker
theres quite literally nothing blizzard can do about it yeah
they nerf whatever the best is, something else is now the best
haughty flicker
even if its literally just able to do like 1-2 key levels higher at the literal cutting edge of pushing
strange python
And tell me tuning hasn’t become better
runic hinge
Tuning has been better than ever tbh
balmy condor
I meant they totally could tune around the top 0.03% of keys, and then wreck the bottom 99% in the process
strange python
Idk what we smoking
balmy condor
haughty flicker
i just play whatever class i have the better transmog for currently
past oracle
CAN WE PLAY THIS SPEC NOW?
tawdry halo
haughty flicker
CAN WE PLAY THIS SPEC NOW?
post your transmog and i'll decide if you're allow to play or not
runic hinge
post your transmog and i'll decide if you're allow to play or not
You’re so based today
tawdry halo
Murloc onesie or reroll
thin portal
I get your guys point, but I believe you can tune specs to be on par. Their dmg should come with mastering the spec. You don't have to make every class have the same abilities. Like they made shaman meta. That was because they got numerous buffs. Tuned highest. They know how to tune. Even bad enh shamans can't beat me even though outlaw is lower dmg, it's a skill issue if they can't perform. Blizzard can tune all dps spec this way and performance is based on the player skill.
haughty flicker
i need a murloc onesie
past oracle
cant afford transmogs
ionic fox
btw evasion doesn't work on final boss of siege if your back is turned for Bait and Switch 🙂
strange python
I get your guys point, but I believe you can tune specs to be on par. Their dmg ...
Bro outlaw has a flat line by design, how do you want blizzard to tune around m+ keys being made to be pulled around cds
haughty flicker
btw evasion doesn't work on final boss of siege if your back is turned for Bait ...
evasion doesnt work on anything if your back is turned
thin portal
Just my thoughts
runic hinge
btw evasion doesn't work on final boss of siege if your back is turned for Bait ...
Don’t turn your back on your enemies
strange python
Would you like to say that you should just do the same damage as burst specs
ionic fox
It is a magical DR
ionic fox
and boss is in the middle of the map xD
Bait and Switch should give magic dr regardless of facing positon
haughty flicker
oh thats the hero talent thing
runic hinge
You sure you pressed it before the cast
haughty flicker
idk i dont actually play this game anymore i just talk shit here
tawdry halo
I get your guys point, but I believe you can tune specs to be on par. Their dmg ...
Sure, but like. What skill level do you tune to?
haughty flicker
so cant help
ionic fox
always pre feint but i wanted to save energy so used evasion lmfao
strange python
idk i dont actually play this game anymore i just talk shit here
Based
haughty flicker
runic hinge
Sure, but like. What skill level do you tune to?
They already picked the skill level they tune to and its portals. So 10’s. All specs can complete them fine.
runic hinge
Mine and mine only
Quakemother’s skill? Or quakewar
strange python
I don’t think they really tune around that all too much, there’s some m+ tuning here and there but in the end it’s mostly raid tuning
spice spire
Quakemother’s skill? Or quakewar
No Makeitquake
strange python
And obviously every spec can get portals ye
runic hinge
Unlucky for your alts
haughty flicker
i cant wait for the whispyr post to finally hit
strange python
i cant wait for the whispyr post to finally hit
Same I’ve been waiting
balmy condor
I get your guys point, but I believe you can tune specs to be on par. Their dmg ...
except they can't because you just introduced like another 3 problems with this lmao. Your whole thing is that they need to tune what they have better, since you're not pleased with the current state. And your idea to that is to make them try and tune specs differently dependant on skill, which now opens a whole host of issues from like "what should the floor be of the spec", cause now you have to tune like what, LFR? normal? +2? +5?, and then you still have to tune for the normal range that they tune for with like high end heroic/low end mythic, and like +10 to +12 keys, and then they need to also tune the specs YET AGAIN for the super "skilled", but even that isn't enough because skilled players are not all in highly organized like top 50 key groups which are the ones raving about meta from on high, so you gotta tune for THOSE guys as well, but that's not even skill that's organization and planning, so now you have to tune like encounter design to block that. The whole thing is just one gigantic jenga tower of balancing, they would legit never be able to keep up
haughty flicker
HELL YEAH
strange python
tawdry halo
Based whispyr
balmy condor
instead of tuning a spec for one goal
you just split into it like 5 goals
and also dragged encouter balancing around specs into the mix
absolute clusterfuck
strange python
Wdym whispyr, just make every spec good at raiding, st, cleave, aoe and prio damage
I don’t get your issue
It’s a skill issue on blizzards end
balmy condor
yeah true true
thin portal
Much words have been spoken to me
strange python
haughty flicker
make the spec i play good at all of that idc about the rest
balmy condor
and also for average
strange python
Yeah I mean once neurolink hits
It just detects your skill
And you get a % buff
Holy someone patent it
balmy condor
should of course also be tuned for ST and aoe regardless of talents of course
tawdry halo
Make it so when I play good I top dmg
balmy condor
like can't have big aoe talents selected and then be bad in single target
that wouldn't make sense
balmy condor
I mean yeah, that happens when your idea sucks
tawdry halo
thin portal
thin portal
I can understand there's so many levels to tune for. If my words don't sound constructive than I don't know what else to say.
balmy condor
never said it wasn't constructive
keen spruce
(slur)
\
haughty flicker
the desire to want things to be well balanced isnt bad
balmy condor
it's entirely constructive, and I believe that you have the best interest at heart
it's just not thought out
thin portal
balmy condor
it's kinda the problem with a lot of things
like people are like "man assa/sub energy outside of cds feels terrible, they should fix that"
and then you dig into like how that should happen
and it very quickly crumbles because its apparent they didn't think past "no energy = bad"
thin portal
Its the balance of damage all together
misty holly
What if they just nerf the top 3 specs by 1% every week until next patch. Rolling nerfs. Eventually everyone will be within 1% of each other.
tawdry halo
at the risk of lighting the keg of gunpowder
top 3 specs where? raid? mythic or heroic? m+? what key level? overall? aoe? what talents?
misty holly
It would also keep the game challenging throughout a patch cycle. As players improve and learn the routes and mechanics plus gear up things eventually get too easy.
but rolling nerfs keeps them challenging
haughty flicker
huh
balmy condor
I mean you’d also rolling buff the bottom right
So you’re back to square one
Of where is the goal
Which is the whole problem to begin with
misty holly
No, the bottom is the baseline. Until everyone else gets nerfed enough that they make it to the top (then they get nerfed 1% too)
tawdry halo
the top WHERE
balmy condor
what