assassination

[half tartan]

I got one off of vault

[subtle tundra]

not like i wanted it

[wanton spear]

NGL i'd be down with an outlaw tier, I love sin and its always been my BNB since wrath but i was a combat daggers andy in vanilla.

[subtle tundra]

lol outlaw tier

[peak bobcat]

we have had 1 outlaw boss in the last 4 years

[haughty flicker]

i think current outlaw might be a bit different than vanilla combat

[half tartan]

I like that sub boss damage isnt trash in dungeons

[coarse summit]

i also would like a tier in fantasy world

[golden loom]

I have 14 + 8 + 11 heroic kyvezas across my 2 rogues and warrior, and I have not seen transmitter in vault and never won a roll on it

[dapper cradle]

Next week mythic transmitter in vault for sure

[golden loom]

I am never killing mythic kyveza

[half tartan]

Do they still have grippy evis’ for sub fuck that move

[dapper cradle]

They fixed coup charge

This bussy still grippy af tho

[earnest remnant]

not with that attitude

[golden loom]

okay in 2 expansions when I am transmog farming it, you right

[haughty flicker]

i'm definitely going to kill mythic kyveza

2-3 expansions from now when i need the transmogs

[earnest remnant]

just buy it

ez kill

[golden loom]

that would give me 0 satisfaction

and im BROKE

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

(im also broke)

i have like 300k gold

[hollow river]

you can buy it?

[dapper cradle]

Sell boosts stealth

Ez money

[earnest remnant]

yeh for a few mil

think we did a ehm

6/8 with loot

for like 5.5

[hollow river]

wouldn't that still require it to physically drop tho

[dapper cradle]

That’s when dagger and x3 leather boots drop

And then you rope

[earnest remnant]

it did

[hollow river]

[earnest remnant]

both trinkets dropped that night

[dapper cradle]

Was your group malding

[hollow river]

imagine spending 5m and it not dropping

omg

[haughty flicker]

i get the feeling 5m isnt a lot for the type of people who buy those carries

[dapper cradle]

If we sold a loot boost and all that shit dropped

I’d crash out

[hollow river]

idk spending 5m for gear is crazy

[dapper cradle]

Yeah

Some people are giga whales tho

[golden loom]

depends how rich you are irl

[hollow river]

even mount is like 5m

[golden loom]

just buy wow tokens

[earnest remnant]

we dont need it lol

[hollow river]

gear just gets mostly invalidated next ssn

[dapper cradle]

50-100million gold across different toons

[earnest remnant]

ive done that boss on mythic like 18 times

[terse heart]

could someone help me out with a good build for Let Me Solo Him? I'm a pvper giving it an attempt before end of season

[hollow river]

try running double vanish to clear the debuff whenever bran doesn't dispel you or w/e

[drifting cloud]

yeah regular st build with spatter and double vanish should be more than good enough

[grand trail]

btter late than never i guess 😄

[proven belfry]

did they fix plunder storm currency?
apparently u can buy hc onmitoken for 5k curency

[dapper cradle]

oh yeah good point

they said the fix was supposed to go live with this reset

[proven belfry]

i did 5k coins

[dapper cradle]

if it's not there yet, rip I guess

[proven belfry]

no mail no nothing

[dapper cradle]

lol RIP

i gotta finish farming some of those mogs fr before this shit ends

[severe meadow]

All season without a myth track skardyns or crystal

I did get lucky with sac pretty early

[fierce dawn]

I've gotten Ocarina in my vault for 4 straight weeks

[severe meadow]

Crash out worthy

[crude turret]

Anyone else notice that supercharged does consume deathstalkers mark stacks but not darkest night? 2 supercharged points and 1 regular point (7 total) should = 1 full envenom to consume darkest night right? Or am I missing something

[hollow river]

you can only consume 1 charge of supercharger at a time

so it's +3 on two finishers (with Forced Induction)
or +2 on two finishers (with only Supercharger)

so when you say you're consuming the Deathstalker's Mark, it's because you're actually at 3 regular combo points, and you are consuming 1 charge of Supercharger on top of that (+2 or +3, making your total 5 or 6)

you basically just ignore the blue combo points

[crude turret]

In my mind the blue are worth 3 combo points (the underlying point +2 from supercharged) , so forced induction would then make them worth 4 total ( stay with me) so if I shiv and have 2 blue points and nothing else, if I press envenom, it should consume the first blue point, which would be worth 4 total, plus the underlying second point from shiv even though it won’t consume the supercharged part of it. Therefore making that envenom a 5 point envenom?

I know that scenario wouldn’t ever happen in rotation but

[hollow river]

the blue points are just showing you how many charges you have

if you built to 7 combo points it would add the +2 or +3 on the end

and you'd do damage as if you used 9 or 10 combo points

there's really no point in thinking about it too hard

we just stick to our build to 5 or more combo points, or 7 for darkest night

[crude turret]

Right but if you think about it you can get to darkest night faster

[hollow river]

yeah but it doesn't matter

your darkest night envenom will just be bigger

[crude turret]

True

Makes sense, I appreciate it

[pallid pewter]

any german guy here there can help me pls i have a few question 😄

[normal mist]

Feeling rejected because not german smh

[subtle kiln]

Non-Germans can help too

Just fire away

we only have Austrians here

[subtle tundra]

@spice spire do I try 66lbs dumbbells for shoulder press

[pallid pewter]

its for me ez in german to explain me for any tipps^^

[dapper cradle]

66lbs for lateral raises

[subtle tundra]

Quake can

[dapper cradle]

if your delts aren't the size of pumpkins, I don't wanna talk

[normal mist]

it would be easy for me if people talked in portuguese

yet they seem to be lackin

or they dont exist at all

[dapper cradle]

portuguese speakers be like abrigado fabrogo belem gilberto belem fejuada

[rugged sphinx]

I haven't played in a while, just did LFR queen for fineries, my thunderlord's citrine only did 1.24m. The sub rogues did 18m - is that normal?

[normal mist]

you're almost correct

Obrigado*

[spice spire]

Can you (I’m not being like condescending here, don’t want your previous max to be like 45 and a jump up like that)

[normal mist]

Feijoada*

[spice spire]

Hey

If you can hell yeah

[dapper cradle]

meant to say nuts actually mb typo

[spice spire]

Hey

[subtle tundra]

I did 60 for 10 reps before

[dapper cradle]

60 lbs lateral raises?

what the fuck

[subtle tundra]

I did 6 clean with 66

Shoulder press buddy

[dapper cradle]

oh that makes sense lol

i was gonna say if it was lateral raises

[spice spire]

Oh yeah go for it then

[dapper cradle]

that'd be giga

[spice spire]

Dog laterals I’ve ego’d 55s

Like

I don’t recommend it

[pallid pewter]

maybe any one can help and have any tipps for me what can do better

[spice spire]

50s are normally fine

[normal mist]

can you understand english?

[hollow river]

is your ring upgraded?

[pallid pewter]

yeah

[dapper cradle]

been working my way up to handstand push ups

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

Quake is built diff

[spice spire]

Then yeah

[normal mist]

check one of those guides

[spice spire]

Stronger than me king

[spice spire]

(Like a fridge)

[normal mist]

I personally prefer the wowhead one, but all 3 are good

[dapper cradle]

been getting into calisthenics these last few years

trynna do handstand pushups, front lever, and a tuck planche

[subtle tundra]

A strong fridge

[rugged sphinx]

sorry I misread my citrine, I have the stats one 😄

[spice spire]

If I tried to do the stuff that somnius is aiming for youd laugh

[subtle tundra]

Bruh my shoulders have been so strong yet my bench isnt progressing

Bench sucks

I'm just not built for it

[dapper cradle]

If I tried the stuff you can do

I’d turn into a puddle of bubbling hot diarrhea

[spice spire]

Shoulders aren’t really what’s used though, I mean yes and no.
Gotta focus on the chest and activating the lats for stabilization

[subtle tundra]

I'll probably give up on bench and do like Smith machine and dumbbells

[dapper cradle]

Weighted ring pushups

That chest stretch at the bottom got me leaking precum fr fr ong

[subtle tundra]

That's quake tier language

Goddamn

[dapper cradle]

I learn from the best

[peak bobcat]

You’re going to build faster doing db

[subtle tundra]

😊

[arctic socket]

I forgot how wild this chat can be

[prime hull]

Just got ovinax egg, whats the best way to use this trinket? Just run around permanently?

[gaunt quiver]

No, Shindig mains that trinket and has crazy write ups on how you should stack it.

[prime hull]

Also, do we already do this lingering darkness rotation change now in this patch or is that a season 2 only thing?

[hollow river]

s2

[prime hull]

Where? I didnt see any searching around

[dapper cradle]

you basically just want to keep it around 20/10

if you don't let either side of buffs stack above 20, you're doing like 95% of it

at this point in the season, not worth to learn the hyper minmaxes or whatever

[vestal cliff]

brauchst du noch hilfe?

[grave osprey]

Another assa domination season?! Lessgooo bois!!

[dense rapids]

!macros

!macro

[hollow river]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow river]

thats pretty much the only macro we use, other than macroing pot/trinket/racial to DM

[dense rapids]

Sweet

We tea every shiv or just 2nd one in kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

every shiv

[glossy jewel]

did whispyr ever mention updating his afenar WA edit? looks like its kinda outdated by now (at least my version is)

[hollow river]

it should still be fine for live

afaik

[glossy jewel]

maybe using WA companion to update it over and over cooked mine..played some sub today and some integral information (i.e. symbols charges) were not shown

[hollow river]

were they shown before?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow river]

i've got no idea if whispyr did any editing to the WA set for sub/outlaw

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow river]

so you could maybe set the sub/outlaw parts to "never load" and install LE's WAs for sub or something

[royal lantern]

use that macro and forget that tea exists

[wispy epoch]

It would be nice to have a free space on my action bars

[humble verge]

just looking at my LFG counter

[glossy jewel]

got no idea tbh, havent played sub all xpac and just figured out how the spec works. id assume afenars base version would include symbols stacks, thats why i was confused it didnt show up. i did some heavy tweaking on whispyrs version too, thats why im curious when/if hes gonna update his version next

[royal lantern]

tf are yo doing

i have so many free slots lol

[haughty flicker]

it would be nice to have something to put on my action bars

[royal lantern]

like, how much more can they even cut at this point

[peak bobcat]

no poisoned knife??

[haughty flicker]

its on my hotbar in my transmog farming build

but when tf am i pressing poisoned knife in actual content

[wispy epoch]

where's your battle pot, healing pot and healthstone?

[peak bobcat]

when you stand outside a circle in raid for 5 seconds

[wispy epoch]

where's your distract

[haughty flicker]

i have more bars

and more bars

but main rotational stuff is the part im talking about

very clearly

[wispy epoch]

poisons?

[haughty flicker]

poisons are right there

[hollow river]

yeah but if whispyr hasn't ported afenar's updates into it then it might be outdated like you said at first yeah, i thought you were asking for sin at first

[wispy epoch]

i have some stuff listed twice

[hollow river]

i would set the sub/outlaw parts to "never load"

and get LE's or Afenar's sub/outlaw

its pretty easy to do

[haughty flicker]

its kind of funny, i think like 90% of the class weak auras i use on my characters are afenar edits

but i never use actual afenars

[hollow river]

poison knife is a terrible ability and should practically never be pressed

[wispy epoch]

i use it for filler when im energy capped and cant be on boss

[spice surge]

If you are not at literally 300 energy

You should never use it

If youre at like 150, dont even think about it

[wispy epoch]

plus i play pvp

[hollow river]

then you could either dump energy before offing boss or get back on boss faster, but yeah

oh then nvm

[wispy epoch]

i do both

[hollow river]

PK is nice in pvp

[wispy epoch]

so it's annoying to swap between bars and forget to take or put something else on

or the CDs are diff

so i keep everything the same

[royal lantern]

why tf should i put a keybind on distract

[hollow river]

ye same

[glossy jewel]

yeah i guess ill get base afenar for sub/outlaw, i just double checked and the previously linked whispyr edit is def outdated for sub/outlaw

[hollow river]

i mostly pvp the past couple years

so i feel ya

[wispy epoch]

stop pathing mobs in keystones, juke people in rbgs

[royal lantern]

i click that shit

you use distract/shroud like, once every 5 weeks on a single pack in a dungeon

why tf should i make a keybind for that, its a on a sidebar and gets clicked for that 1 use lol

[wispy epoch]

hence why they're like shift 8 and shift 2

[haughty flicker]

i dont think ive used shroud since i changed my hotbars

and that was like

near the end of df

its still there though for nostalgia

[wispy epoch]

i tried maining windwalker in the middle of this tier

died enough to WDP

im back now here

[subtle tundra]

holy skill issue

[wispy epoch]

it happens only like, once every raid, but delaying my WDP b/c i know ground shit is about to go out always edges me

[subtle tundra]

i tanked the ring from queen ansurek two days ago cause i WDP'd right before i was supposed to get knocked up

3 defensives + lay on hands was plenty

[wispy epoch]

can literally roll and double jump over it too

or transcend

monk built diff tbh

[subtle tundra]

i meant p1

[wispy epoch]

yeah i know

i've totally double jumped it before

does anyone know what causes this btw?

[subtle tundra]

well i have so much fun on monkerman

[wispy epoch]

shit is so annoying

[subtle tundra]

hope i get to prog on it

[wispy epoch]

do you do conduit on it?

[subtle tundra]

i do whatever the guide is telling me to

i dont look at talents

[wispy epoch]

that's where the big #s pop off, but you gotta line shit up crazy, most guides will say to go shado-pan b/c it's safer

but if you wanna purple/yellow parse, gotta do conduit usually

[subtle tundra]

no?

[wispy epoch]

most monks play shado-pan, but the top monks do conduit

[subtle tundra]

ive been getting 90+

95+

and its my alt

press buttons do damage

[wispy epoch]

imagine if you would've done conduit

[subtle tundra]

i dont really care much as long as bosses die

and if i have to prog on it ill copy whatever people play

[wispy epoch]

okay but im just trying to learn you somethin

[subtle tundra]

im not putting on a new keybind

for farm

[wispy epoch]

harder fights it levels out though

if add dmg still counted in warcraft logs, we'd all be conduit gamers

[subtle tundra]

i just wish spin did more dmg

cause doing spin without proc is so sad

[wispy epoch]

yeah, unironically playing ST windwalker pumps pretty good compared to how it stacks up on aoe. I had a big moment on Ovinax where conduit and transmitter lined up

and i didn't do more than the DK or rogue

and conduit with clones it doing like 5mil per sec for like 6 secs

probably more

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know

have yet to spec into conduit

[mystic forge]

In single target fights like ulgrax, how to do I keep my dps up for the adds? I always plummet. Same with queen

[normal mist]

The ulgrax adds are completely destroyed by everyone else

Tbf same with queen

you can try to throw a rupture on a max health add or two for more energy but idk if that even matters

[mystic forge]

Oh ok good to know thanks

[buoyant herald]

Any add fight is kinda rough for assass right now since other specs blow them up. Need to pay your guildmates to go ST spec and leaves adds for you

[dapper cradle]

Ulgrax ads don’t matter btw

They don’t count for logs

You can literally just afk

And cycle DN to keep up buff

[gusty stag]

Anyone know if they fixed assa on PTR yet? 🙂

[hollow river]

yes

info in pins

[gusty stag]

need stronger glasses 😛

[normal mist]

what fix in specific are you looking for?

[gusty stag]

The one where set bonus drops from random bleeds

[normal mist]

I'm pretty sure that was fixed

[runic hinge]

Allowing us to consume marks while darkest night is up

[normal mist]

I remember brother, i was also there

[gusty stag]

There was a bunch of other bugs too, i briefly tested it with 678 gear and did less dmg than 640 ilvl current patch. was super weird.

[runic hinge]

Also I want them to make fatebound not self nerf so it’s usable in aoe

I’ve been running it in PvP and holy the assa rotation is so comfy when I’m not forcing to 7 all the time

[normal mist]

I only play the game when its live so no idea on PTR

besides what Whispyr tells us

[gusty stag]

Yeah mostly I was just curious if they sneaked back some of the old bugs, which usually always happens when they update patches lol.. Soon we gonna see disappearing daggers or something 😛

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

We've had a bug for a while now where we have 4 weapons instead of 2

[gusty stag]

The more the merrier.. rogue is like the bug collecting class. The area 51 of wow.. Bermuda of the realms.. 😄

[normal mist]

also about PTR bugs:

[peak bobcat]

Bugs are fixed, 4pc still sucks ass

[normal mist]

^

[gusty stag]

yeah ive seen the stats.. still waiting for tuning ofc

But I mean we're really close lol

[peak bobcat]

A little 4pc tuning and we are chilling

[gusty stag]

just +20% all abilities 😛

Rogue Tank Buff

Feint is now permanent and also increases your armor by 500%.

[runic hinge]

I didn’t pick rogue to tank

[spice surge]

Miss me with that SoD stuff

I just wanna stab

[peak bobcat]

Make bleeds do damage again and fix 4pc pls blizzard

[runic hinge]

Hi Tyler. Is it rogue tier for you?

[peak bobcat]

Always is

[spice surge]

Bleeds doing more damage would be cool indeed

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[normal mist]

Hell yeah

[peak bobcat]

I didn’t play prog this tier because I was deployed with shit internet

I couldn’t even do delves without getting dced

[runic hinge]

Damn that’s tough

[peak bobcat]

But we back, might fuck around and play sin for the whole tier even if it sucks

[humble verge]

if were fine maybe i wont go sub

Okayge

[runic hinge]

Hopefully the tuning patch day does us alright

[haughty flicker]

surely

[peak bobcat]

M+ tuning just dropped assassination buffs shortly after

[runic hinge]

Surely

Rupture and garrote buffs

[royal lantern]

envenom +18%

[runic hinge]

Pls no

[bronze pike]

reroll to destro and fire mage

[spice surge]

Buffing envenom would be true despair

[bronze pike]

[spice surge]

People are sleeping on sub as always

[peak bobcat]

Who the fuck wants to play those 2 boring ass classes

[runic hinge]

I will play current sub if trickster is the stronger of the two but it hasn’t been sounding like it is

[peak bobcat]

It is

[royal lantern]

sleeping?

we allready lost the yellow name fotm monkeys

i dont see 200000 blocked messages anymore

[runic hinge]

Afraid of the shadow damage on tier making DS the choice over there as well

[peak bobcat]

Trickster pretty far ahead iirc

[spice surge]

Trickster is a lot stronger

[runic hinge]

Oh good

[spice surge]

DS does more sustained damage

Trickster does burst

And the tier is incredibly skewed towards burst

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[peak bobcat]

I’ll play sub if it doesn’t have the not pressing finishers shit

[bronze pike]

hi squidward

[runic hinge]

That too

Spamming rupture or slice and dice ain’t it

[spice surge]

Ye if by spamming you mean once or twice every 90s

[peak bobcat]

My b spamming backstab asleep

But I guess it’s not that different now

[coarse summit]

what else would you spam

if not builder

[peak bobcat]

Make gloomblade great again

[runic hinge]

Lingering darkness returns

[coarse summit]

yeah gloomblade would be nice

[spice surge]

Ye needing to stand behind the mob is a bit cringe, but gloomblade works like that too so its

Esp since trickster makes it so you dont actually need to be behind the boss since it cant parry

[royal lantern]

huh

[dapper cradle]

Don’t you play gloom

For the DS build

[coarse summit]

I dont know

[dapper cradle]

Based

[spice surge]

As in casting rupture or snd when flag has like 25s left to keep the tier set stacks

But its only like 3 finishers total in those 25 seconds anyway and one of them is gonna be rupture either way.

[distant helm]

does anyone remember the cashout duration on ptr, it was 4 secs right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[distant helm]

think an update might have been pushed then

its 10secs now

unless im tripping

[dapper cradle]

Oooooo stumbling

[balmy condor]

yeah hotfixes came through, diffs are getting pulled

trinket tuning as well it seems

[naive crane]

hope its good for us! 🙂

[balmy condor]

no numbers yet but it looks like the proc chance and duration got juiced

[slate crown]

Babe back to the mines you've got simming to do

[balmy condor]

I'm checking the number on it but I think it might be the same? hard to tell

[tawdry halo]

looking forward to all this tuning becoming irrelevant week 1 of the new season

[naive crane]

yea, they made it last 10 sec now

[tawdry halo]

Hey that's huge - might actually overlap with a CD every now and then

[naive crane]

procc chance also increased i think. kinda feels like it

[balmy condor]

yes

it did

2 piece got nerfed though I think

2% instead of 3

kinda makes ssense with the 4 piece proc chance going up

[naive crane]

ya def

[tawdry halo]

getting 4pc good now

huge

[balmy condor]

just off a very simple test the 4 piece went from 20% proc to maybe 50-60, 4 seconds to 10, 50% to 75%

but winning streak itself went from 3% to 2%

something in that range

winning streak caps at 20% increased dam, 4p proc is doing 15% more damage than that

[tawdry halo]

What was it before? winning streak 30% and 4pc proc 15% more than that?

[balmy condor]

winning streak 30, 4p proc 20%, 4 seconds, 50%

winning streak 20, 4p proc 50ish?, 10 seconds, 75%

[naive crane]

actually huge

[balmy condor]

is the before/after

it's hard to nail down actual numbers on it without seeing the diff itself

or without literal hours of hitting a dummy

and I have to shower and leave the house in an hour

so

[tawdry halo]

i'll take data driven feelcraft from you anyday whispyr

[balmy condor]

the diff probably hits when I'm afk or out of the house, @spice surge @silk bane @normal mist @earnest remnant I have very rough numbers here on tier fix but if the wowhead post hits and the numbers are listed there can one of you people make a temp pin for me with the numbers and I'll make a longer one later today ty ❤️

[rustic zealot]

guys may i ask to some kind soul some tips for silken court myth, monday is the last day to fix the log 😄

[earnest remnant]

if im awake sure

[normal mist]

I'll be sure to have Stealthi awake

As i'll be going to sleep shortly (00:00 for me)

[balmy condor]

@slate crown as well I didn't see you online

[pastel roost]

@balmy condor quick question about your WA, does it do the job for Sub also ?

[balmy condor]

doesn't have any special things about it but it does track all the things

[pastel roost]

Thanks !

[indigo mulch]

does 10s instead of 4s make a big difference? D:

(not sure how the 4p works)

[tawdry halo]

yes

[balmy condor]

very big difference

[naive crane]

not only the 10 sec also the procc rate increase

[balmy condor]

napkin mathing it atm I think 4pc went from 0.6% to somewhere around 3.5%

[indigo mulch]

Still a bit low tho no?

[waxen field]

ig you are kinda guaranteed to be able to have an evening going through ☠️

[runic hinge]

A whole evening!

Hell yeah

[waxen field]

not evening for me gz... can't write correctly anymore

[pastel roost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[pastel roost]

@balmy condor on your weakaura there is a warning, i'm not sure if it's important or not ?

" This WeakAura uses the deprecated event COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED OR CLEU. As of WeakAuras version 5.19.0 (Jan-23-2025), this trigger is no longer supported and this import will probably not work as intended. See the deprecation notice for details and how to fix it."

[copper sun]

As the ring is going in, if I shadowstep on the boss, do I still dodge the ring if I time it right? (I know I can just SS to a mage or something but im asking specifically if I SS to boss)

[naive crane]

ok so i just did a 5 min dummy test. was arround 2.5M

before was like 2.2

[rustic zealot]

99% sure is a no

[earnest remnant]

u dead

you go bye bye

[naive crane]

the 10 sec also nice for the big shiv dn env. good uptime on that buff

oh dang, transmitter nerfed by 5% also spymasters by 10%

[hearty reef]

sin happy ending

[tawdry halo]

wanting to never repeat the arcanocrystal debacle from legion

[naive crane]

yea, they kinda had to nerf the trinkets..

[tawdry halo]

yeah, otherwise the complete degens will farm old raids for BiS trinkets which feels bad

[slate crown]

It’s not important for his pack, it doesn’t impact the aura itself. You can ignore it. (It can affect other packs but it’s a false positive for Whispyr’s pack)

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[tall jay]

Season1 dead date is Monday/tuesday right and then M0s for a week and delves and then RWF correct?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[tall jay]

Ok cool

[balmy condor]

tier changes didn't get pulled in the diff

no eta

whatever

me go

hf with whatever nonsense blizz is cooking a week before the patch

[tawdry halo]

typical indie company behaviour

[frozen iris]

damn multi dollar company

[balmy condor]

super rough hotfix numbers until we get actual numbers maybe

before: winning streak 3% per stack, 4p proc chance 20%, duration 4 seconds, increased by 50%
after: winning streak 2%, 4p proc chance maybe 50ish?, duration 10 seconds, increased by 75%

these were very quickly tested and could be wrong, but it's looking like the 4 piece got hotfixed into something actually relevant and decent, probably upwards of 3%. 2 piece took a small hit but has higher uptime because of the 4 piece so it kinda evens out. No hard numbers yet, just a very fast update while we look for spell data

[onyx gyro]

good news

[rancid summit]

Do we know what the chance to get winning streak is already?

[winged quail]

2 posts above you

[jolly heath]

Are we winning

[warm gulch]

How does improved garrote + master assassin outperforms 2 points in vicious venom?

[balmy condor]

Increasing the energy cost sucks real bad

With twist the knife envenom uptime isn’t capped anymore

So increasing costs just hurts envenom casts and envenom uptime

[runic hinge]

Are you bowling

[balmy condor]

Yeh, league night

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[warm gulch]

Are there new enchants next patch?

[balmy condor]

No

[bronze pike]

how nerf

if it wasnt fixed

[indigo mulch]

Are you winning tho?

[balmy condor]

Idk starts in 30 min

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

I think my team atm is in like 6th

But we just started second half

So not really much to go off of

[indigo mulch]

I believe

Did you sim the outcome of your strikes?

God i know nothing about bowling, all i know is that you throw a ball and if you hit all of them you get a strike

that's about it.

[storm forum]

good luck whispyr (and his team)

[burnt star]

wait, where is the hotfix number coming from?

[balmy condor]

15 minutes on a dummy

[balmy condor]

Good enough

[burnt star]

sheesh

they didnt bother hotfixing the tooltip number. well good catch!

[balmy condor]

They’re in a freeze, literally can’t right now

Tooltips are all locked down for localizations cause the patch is next week

[burnt star]

ok,ya something def changed

hitting those 12 million envenom

[indigo mulch]

[burnt star]

and a lot of high envenom outside of that dry shiv window

[slate crown]

Want to wildly and irresponsibly speculate on changes to rotation as a result? Saving a shiv charge for proc?

[balmy condor]

I’ll have to check, sims will need to be done with overrides and I need to actually lock in what the numbers for each piece are

It’s something that’s on my list to check

Tonight is all nighter because of this

:3

[slate crown]

Neato :3

[burnt star]

wasnt there a weak aura to track 4p proc?

i cant find it

[storm forum]

o7 whispyr's sleep schedule

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/insomnia-cant-sleep-spongebob-squarepants-gif-16906483

[balmy condor]

I had one somewhere but you can very easily whip something together, they’re both just player buffs 1219264 and 1218439

[burnt star]

also. i seem to be keeping my 10 stack a lot longer

[balmy condor]

Yes, it will do that

[burnt star]

thx ill fix something

[balmy condor]

Details are in the pins

[slate crown]

The new set? It’s just an aura on player you can make it faster than you can find and import one.

[burnt star]

i mean, ive been hitting a dummy for 3 min and never lost my 10 stack

never got the 4p proc. so they never reset

[indigo mulch]

[burnt star]

i see whats happening. by being 10 sec, theres time, specialy during kingbane, that i have time to get back to 10 stack while the buff is up

so when 4p runs out im still at 10 stack

[balmy condor]

Can happen, yes

[snow hamlet]

This is how it works

[balmy condor]

Just proc

[burnt star]

the uptime on that 10 stack is crazy, feels more then 50% chance to proc 4p

rng probly

didnt test for 15 min

[balmy condor]

Realistically need like hours of data to narrow it down

[burnt star]

just got 3 proc back to back

no wonder they nerfed it to 20% base

[soft surge]

what happened

wit this hotfix

nvm theres a pin

[lime spire]

Hi. Is anyone able to take a stab at some log review for me, late as it is? First season with Sin as an alt, and I'm confused as to where I fell apart here on Rashanan. I thought I was doing ok with my Envenom windows but the final numbers are poor. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/qhGXHVYa1kcKytzQ/self?fight=21%2C21&type=summary

[tropic jewel]

So your CD windows are completely off

so not completly but u need to really check when u are vanashing and shiv tea and so on

[lime spire]

So around the 2 minute mark?

[tropic jewel]

Vanish should happen at 18 sekonds not on 15

ur KB is on 10 so u have 14 secs and u want the last 6 secs to vanish for MA

that means u need to vanish at the 18 second mark to gain the crit buff for the last 6 seconds

[lime spire]

Alright, it's adjustments to windows properly, got it

[tropic jewel]

ur seconnd burst windows doesnt look good at all

just keep up ur rotation in KB thats one thing, other thing is that the killtime is really really bad for a good log i would say .. i killed him in 2:56 last week

[lime spire]

Yeah, in hindsight I should have prepped better, sloppy

[tropic jewel]

just have a look at wowanalyzer

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/qhGXHVYa1kcKytzQ/21-Mythic+Rasha'nan+-+Kill+(4:06)/Warshrike/standard/statistics

and fix ur enchants 😄

[dapper cradle]

Chin up king

You’re on your way to greatness

[lime spire]

Sin rogue is a nice change from the 'press buttons manically'. All those patient Envenom windows to plan, no need to sprint I'm learning

[spice surge]

Slow and steady wins the race as they say

[strange sleet]

Knowing this, maybe an aura could be made that counts how many times you get the 4pc buff and the amout of times Winning Streak! dropped to check the ratio more easily?

I mean, I can't, but maybe you do

And if so, and you share it (maybe pin), a bigger set of data could be gathered if ppl feel like trying in the dummies

[balmy condor]

Hopefully won’t be THAT painful

[strange sleet]

Dym that you won't need to do that?

[balmy condor]

I employed my gf for a while to make tally marks

For the original test

Just gotta do that again

Coding something like that seems a bit overkill

[strange sleet]

hahaha poor soul

okok I felt it could be kinda easy to do and "automate" the work to make it easier to test now and possibly new hotfixes in the future

[dapper cradle]

Honey, sweetie it’s time to tally again

[strange sleet]

But idk about programming rly so

[balmy condor]

Well once it’s live we’ll have dungeon and raid logs

And then we just use that

It’s just a problem for another 1.5 weeks

[strange sleet]

🤣

[balmy condor]

W

I love this set bonus

[dapper cradle]

your little pfp artwork matches

:3

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s part of a bigger artwork I got for Valentine’s Day last year

[dapper cradle]

damn that's really sweet

i always knew you were a good guy

deep inside

[balmy condor]

I can be sometimes

[dapper cradle]

i'm taking my lady to disney world next week

[balmy condor]

Im built like an old guy in a Disney movie

[dapper cradle]

hopefully our plane doesn't crash

haha nice we on that disney wavelength

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/up-never-gets-old-gif-2487091245048642675

[crude turret]

so is 2 pts in lethality the move now? instead of 2 supercharged and 1 forced induction?

[balmy condor]

No

Forced induction good

[crude turret]

for raid

st

[balmy condor]

Oh well definitely forced induction then

[tawdry halo]

Whispyr's bluntness / (accidental?) snark is like soap opera

[balmy condor]

I’m just like this man idk I’m not trying to be rude like 90% of the time

Except the 10% where I am

[wise gull]

340 pulls still no queen am sad

[spice spire]

Replace the r with an n, relax zoomer it’s called dark humor

[tawdry halo]

best pull %?

[rancid summit]

Question about envenom uptime - I know this is the goal, especially when low on energy, but what all is it gaining us? I see the 30% increase poison apply chance but is there anything else I'm missing?

[severe meadow]

we're at like 200 pulls but doing p3 stuff

p1 deaths

[crude turret]

anyone notice details has wrong uptime for garrote and rupture

says i was only at 40% uptime but it never fell off once

[balmy condor]

Nope, just the poison application chance

[balmy condor]

The uptime bar on details is always jank

Especially rupture is super fucked

[wise gull]

12%

[runic hinge]

Close then

[subtle tundra]

why is your gf called gabagool

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-gabagool-tony-therapy-gif-26084338

[wise gull]

we're tues/wed so im a bit nervous if we can't get everyone for the extra night monday

raiding on patch week

[covert jewel]

race to world last contenders

[balmy condor]

Cause she’s a gabagool man

[subtle tundra]

fair

[wise gull]

defs thinking it's time for me to move on

my heart cant handle this lmao

[tawdry halo]

damn that's super close

are you making it to p3 consistently?

[rotund oak]

new pins

thx

i think we are noticebly more chill than before,ppl jumping on sub train

[vapid terrace]

Ayy 5/8, got kyveza. Roster boss was tough to beat. Prolly not a CE guild but 6 or 7 seems realistic. Only 4 hour raid weeks

[runic hinge]

Roster boss unbeatable

[subtle tundra]

bruh this is the last week 😭
gl

[vapid terrace]

Oh my bad, I meant that as we prolly can't get CE in any tier haha. We got ky, now we on break.

[winged quail]

Imagine if Blizzard just told us what our set bonus did haha that would be crazy 🤪

[runic hinge]

Then his gf would be unemployed

Is that what you want? Less jobs?

[lusty kraken]

I did not expect a stealth buff to the tier set

[spark rain]

What are we talking about guys

[runic hinge]

[pliant remnant]

The migratory patterns of Canadian geese

[rotund oak]

The application of powerful radars in very long baseline interferometry

[spark rain]

Yea let’s talk about the socioeconomic state of the hit game plants versus zombies

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

keep going! the dummy will die eventually

[balmy condor]

I just did an hour

no more

there's a 20 min one before that

I just applied poisons and went till no poisons

[golden loom]

any interesting findings

[balmy condor]

plenty

but I need to do math first

agony bro

that's so fucked

[golden loom]

10 monster energies and a target dummy

[balmy condor]

447 ruptures, 112 cts, 381 envenoms

cool log

1500 fan of knives

[grand trail]

How good is mythic skardyn in s2? I guess not much

I got this week all excited to find out its still behind trans

[golden loom]

better than a heroic skadryns atleast

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[lusty kraken]

at least you have a good chance of getting the 2m trinket in priory

[vagrant brook]

i feel u, literally the only item I'm missing in mythic track

[golden loom]

[radiant raven]

If I could give you mine, I would

[pliant remnant]

Thank you Gestalt

[dawn heath]

Damn 300k Rogue isnt looking good

[buoyant herald]

no this is good

blizzard sure to watch this discord and see and buff us

[normal mist]

Mythic raider spends 1 hour hitting the dummy nonstop and couldn't break 400k overall

Now we just need someone to create an article with that headline

[balmy condor]

can't pollute the data

[bronze pike]

hot

[brazen cypress]

for free?

[normal mist]

Details, whispyr. Details.

No one needs to know that you were naked

[subtle tundra]

Kingsbane pog

[red schooner]

190ilvl, still higher DPS than some of the pugs I've seen

[balmy condor]

it was 4 dummies at once to be fair

I was just spamming 2cp ruptures back and forth to keep energy up

[bright cipher]

1 hour is like just heating-up

https://i.imgur.com/Ama8F4z.png

[balmy condor]

I didn't need longer luckily

[bright cipher]

can you imagine a world where, blizzard just states the odds and how it work..and we can like

trust them with it

best thing is that i have another 3 logs like that (1 target, 2target,3target and 4 target) and all are now invalid.

[bronze pike]

Hi mala

How lock land

[bright cipher]

buff lock

[bronze pike]

Real

[bright cipher]

and i say this not out of a sense of balance, i just want to be op

[bronze pike]

What about petkos list

[brazen cypress]

real lmao

[bronze pike]

Putting destro on s rank

[bright cipher]

no idea what list is that

[bronze pike]

Extremely based

Telling it how it is

Respect that

[bronze pike]

Idk some icy veins guy

[brazen cypress]

i for one welcome rain of fire being our shard spender on destro

[bronze pike]

Idk I don’t play wizard

I tried affic in shadowlands

And didn’t like it

Should have boosted my shadow priest for dot gameplay

[little tulip]

i didn't use caustic spatter except during dm/kb or battle pots for 95% of the season, lmao.

stupid poison bomb talent made me think it didn't need to be refreshed 🙂

[pure moth]

they are 2 different talents though

[hearty reef]

oh no whispyr killed the pin

[bright cipher]

this is it?

Honestly, i have issues with tier-lists beyond a sense of "its made for fun/clicks".

[bronze pike]

That’s the one

[golden loom]

I mean thats all they are for

[bronze pike]

Ya tier lists are meme content

Actual no useable info

[golden loom]

Tier lists are fun, but useless for actual info

[bronze pike]

Just fun to tell people mage is meta again

[bright cipher]

What is an S Tier? and an A tier? what separates an S from an A numerically speaking? there is always some degree of subjectivity that changes based on the person who makes it..and the reader.

[bronze pike]

I’ve been told destro has very positive bugs

[bright cipher]

fixed just last night

[bronze pike]

That seems to be the trend

Cause I think some of my bugs got fixed as well

[golden loom]

Also a tier list when tuning/bug fixes etc arent done is crazy work

[bright cipher]

So, for exemple, people react very strongly at being placed at the S tiers..but also react even more strongly at being placed in lower tiers (notice how there is no C or D?)

[bronze pike]

I have to recheck when I have the chance

[balmy condor]

State of Tier after Shadow Hotfix Buffs

Big Mega Tuning Video for pookies
With real numbers this time after a long hitting of the dummies:

Before:
Winning Streak: 3% per stack
4 Piece (Cashout): 20% chance, 4 seconds, increased by 50%

After
Winning Streak: Unchanged
4 Piece (Cashout): 70% chance, 10 seconds, increased by 50%

Some other findings
You can proc the 4 piece again during the 4 piece; this simply refreshes the timer. When the 4 piece fades, you return back to the stacks you had before the 4 piece proc occurred, which leads to higher 2 piece uptime. Notably however, if you do proc the 4 piece during the 4 piece, you end up going back to 10 stacks, since that was the state before the second proc, so it's a free jump up to 10? It's very weird. The 15% chance to lose the streak in the first place is unchanged as well.

Number??????????????????????
In any given situation, winning streak averages about 5 stacks, with the 4 piece averaging around 18% uptime. These values are without the 4 piece refreshing itself, and more accurate numbers will come early next week to account for the strange 4 piece behavior

Single target:
Compared to no tier, 2 piece is +4.1%
Compared to 2 piece, 4 piece is +3.7%
Compared to no tier, 4 piece is +8.0%

Dslice:
Compared to no tier, 2 piece is +4.1%
Compared to 2 piece, 4 piece is +5.3%
Compared to no tier, 4 piece is +9.6%

Do we play around tier
No.

Also gone ahead and removed sim logic for playing around envenom's pandemic, and also removed basically every tea logic other than macro to shiv because none of that mattered. So just the dry shiv from the previous pin, no tier gameplay, no need to track, it just happens!

[bright cipher]

i think it was Dratnos, who made a tierlist once and peopel got mad for getting their class on D tier? never again

[golden loom]

Proccing 4p while in 4p

[bright cipher]

The thing is, there is a timing for this kind of thing, you want to publish this at a point in time where interest ins highest. now is the perfect time

and you rly can't trust blizzard in regards to "oh changes will happen soonTM"

[golden loom]

Yeah ofc, thats why its only for clicks/fun

[bright cipher]

they will happen when they happen, this maybe now, tomorrow or when the heat death of the universe happens

[bronze pike]

Pog new pin

[bright cipher]

God i love when this happens

https://i.imgur.com/ngk7udg.png

just casual 600% buff on uptime

its like when they had to buff the diabolist hero talent by 300~500% per pet

[golden loom]

then again a 600% buff when the initial uptime was like 2%?

[bronze pike]

I wish they can buff my dogshit talents by 50000%

Ngl

A lot of them do nothing

[lusty kraken]

so is the tier set something like 7-8% increase overall?

[bronze pike]

Give or take ya

[bright cipher]

thats what makes it funny, when they like..rly mistake the weight of things

"oh lets make this effect..i think it will be good"..boom 0.5% overall increase

not like shitting on it, far from it, mistakes happens and it can be tricky sometimes to know "how much something should be"

but it is funny, same thing when the opposite happens and they rly underestimate some effect and then it needs to get nerfed by 50%

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-wow-this-is-fascinating-reading-book-books-gif-21958704

me reading pins still not understanding next tier

[lusty kraken]

well it's not like the tier set changes your gameplay anyway

the tldr is the tier set doesn't suck anymore

[bright cipher]

Tldr: Numbers go up.

[hearty reef]

it's just up you get buffed more, enjoy

[humble verge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895843361179721739/1006647183623340215/20210708-001.gif

[bright cipher]

this will be a hot take, but i think winning streaks could have been such a cool mechanic, but most tiers rly RLY don't explore it well.

Frost DK one is cool

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/mhm-yes-i-agree-black-cat-nodding-gif-9964642846540238732

[bright cipher]

pun not intended

[lusty kraken]

it is what it is, that's what we get with rushed patches

[humble verge]

atleast its not 9.1

i guess..

💀

[bright cipher]

hotter take: in some aspects i think shadowlands design was superior.

[humble verge]

you will now experience death by typing

[lusty kraken]

idk man, early patches of shadowlands were dogshit

once they pulled the ripcord it became fun

[bright cipher]

speaking of my own experience (meaning not a rogue) but many of the legendary aspects were very cool and impactfull and this is shown in that they eventually became talents for Dflight.

And if i were to compare them to some tiersets around (like affliction) yeah Shadowlands would win in regards to this.

[humble verge]

going through the maw became quite annoying over time

[bright cipher]

Yes, the gems of domination sucked, but it was something they were exploring so i at least give it a "worth a shot" token

SLands also had some rly cool trinkets around

[lusty kraken]

honestly I didn't care that much about the gems

[bright cipher]

Now, is Slands a better expansion? oh no, it was very garbage..so much so that anything good id had it was overshadowed by the bad

[balmy condor]

I played more s1 shadowlands than I did s1 tww

[bright cipher]

Denathrius being one of the best villains ever created? overshadowwed by the forcing of hand of creating this comically dull mastermind in the form of the jailer.

Castle Nathria being one of the best first patch raids (and i do think its better than Ansureks raid)

Overshadowed by the complete torture that Blizzard made us suffer in terms of grinding

[balmy condor]

that's true

but also everything around the raid was also better

sl s1 content was simply better than what we have now

I ain't afraid to say it

I'd trade delves for torghast and covenants in a heartbeat

[bright cipher]

Like, the Maw in its original design should have been scrapped in concept, because it follows the idea of "The Maw is hell, and hell shouldn't be confortable so lets make this mechanics who are suffering to endure so people don't stick around it for very long"...but this is a fricking game

[humble verge]

i feel ive played equal amount of both

though i did quit like

[balmy condor]

I didn't even mind the maw, it was just go in and do 15 min of work and leave

[humble verge]

1 month before .1 release

[bright cipher]

oh you made me remember..

[humble verge]

around may 2021 or what year it was

[bright cipher]

Torghast was a great, AWESOME window of what is peak class design

so many creative ideas were shown in torghast powers

[balmy condor]

rogue torghast sucked ass aside from like 2 powers

but that's a rogue issue and lack of tuning more than anything

torghast as a content piece is just delves but better

[bronze pike]

SL started good

I’ll die on this hill

[bright cipher]

Rider of the Apocalypse Hero talent for DKs? Torghast epic power

[bronze pike]

Story was neat

[humble verge]

i remember that one power where you could just instakill stuff as sub

[bronze pike]

Raid was neat

[balmy condor]

I mean, fuck, I'll go one step further

island expeditions

are just delves but better

[humble verge]

facts

[bronze pike]

Yep I agree

[bright cipher]

In some aspects i agree with you, i think delves do some stuff better in some aspects, torghast in others..i would pick Delves..but add the good stuff torghast had on it

[radiant raven]

Delves having a lot of comedy buff powers would be a lot of fun

[balmy condor]

I mean the issue to me is and always will be that delves are just way too bland

[humble verge]

but then again, how can they make delves even better for solo players - or are they gonna make EVERYONE do m+ for gear - im just seeing all the "half-an-hour-a-week" gamers on reddit complain

[bright cipher]

I think Torghast overstayed its welcome in terms of length, Delves are smaller in size and this is good.

Torghast had very nice powers, and bosses who were more interesting to fight.

[golden loom]

have they cooked with delves at all for 11.1?

[humble verge]

from what ive read

no

[golden loom]

or is that not on PTR

[balmy condor]

like delves are legit follower dungeons but without the followers

it's the same thing over and over again

[radiant raven]

Delves are follower dungeons with a follower who actively hates you and wants you to have a bad time

[balmy condor]

and there's like 2 variants that like replace mobs with boxes maybe or you have an NPC follow you when normally there isn't

wahoo

[devout mist]

delves are screwed from its inception, the difference from spec to spec is too huge imo. some have an ez time and some a harder time. since they nerfed brann and i couldnt tricks him (without him getting 1 shot) it has been a pain

[balmy condor]

islands at least had a lot more rng with how they were laid out and the enemies and shit

way more replay value

[devout mist]

at least i only had to do delves during the first 2 weeks and never touched em again

[golden loom]

I did have a bunch of fun at start of patch doing delves with an irl friend though cause I was still learning the game at the same time

[balmy condor]

delves are just mini m+ but instead of mob count you have to do some whack ass objectives

[bronze pike]

Ye

Add funny powers

[radiant raven]

Island's also had more dynamic engagement with the enemy AI and mobs and stuff. Man, I miss islands

[humble verge]

i really liked the pvp aspect, because you could but then also again - you could just dodge any pvp

[bright cipher]

i think if you grab Delves, make bosses more interesting, add some interesting powers to it and more diversity in termso f what you do in the delves and we are golden (basically short,self contained torghast)

[bronze pike]

I like it when a machine falls on my targets

[balmy condor]

yeah delves could be really cool if they weren't delves

[golden loom]

Only weird part was how delve difficulty was changing like every day at start of patch

[fathom flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/US/Frostmourne/Orrockk?boss=2921

[golden loom]

like it went from super easy to impossible to easy to whatever in the span of a week

[fathom flax]

another week

another parse

[devout mist]

delves would be rly cool if they were mage tower

[balmy condor]

I can't wait for tank brann to be a braindead chimp in 11.1

[golden loom]

like those influence of zekvir elites or whatever they were

[balmy condor]

he's gonna pull like 7 mobs and not interrupt anything

[dawn heath]

Delves 💀

[balmy condor]

and then you can't interrupt 3 mobs at once

and you get fucking rolled

gonna be great

[fathom flax]

@balmy condor you gave me heaps of advice for mythic court

i think i followed none of it

[bronze pike]

Healer brann bis

[dawn heath]

I havent been in a delve since pre season week

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[bronze pike]

Simply get tanky sim rogues

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr was the tier set huge in aoe before?

[balmy condor]

bro I did ?? zekvir and that mfer was still autoing me for 75% of my health

[balmy condor]

no

[golden loom]

also when brann was bugged and 1 shotting everything

[balmy condor]

I don't think anything with a 2.5% uptime is huge anywhere

probably passable now

[golden loom]

healer brann doing 90% of the damage

[bright cipher]

??Zekvir is a worse mage tower

[bronze pike]

More verse

Clearly

I ripped him apart

Notreallyitwasclosetoatenmimutefight

[balmy condor]

p2 was much easier than p1 simply because he stopped autoing me

good design

[bronze pike]

I can’t wait to see what the next super delve boss is

[bright cipher]

https://i.imgur.com/AI4wiE5.png they should give a second chance to multistrike

[balmy condor]

yeh

[bright cipher]

and maybe, MAYBE https://i.imgur.com/MGpY5Oe.png readiness

[balmy condor]

I've literally been asking fo this since legion

[fathom flax]

you mean crit but less good

[midnight mist]

I'm cancelling assa

Sorry

[shy axle]

i liked the bleed effect

[radiant raven]

🙏

[fathom flax]

having stuff like that to play around was fun but for the most part Mstrike was just a 60% crit

[balmy condor]

they had the ability to make arms skullsplitter, had sinister calling already made

and we still got fucking exsanguinate

unfucking believable

[bright cipher]

effects like this are pretty cool, i miss things like that

[balmy condor]

mind you the only reason we had fucking exsanguine for 3 expansions was because they couldn't get this to work during legion beta and had to panic rework it

[bright cipher]

i remember a time, i think it was cataclysm/mop , that when you would Crit with Doom it would summon an wild imp

[balmy condor]

they could've copy pasted

two different fucking abilities

and it would've been fine

but nooooooooooo

it needed to be something NEW

[bright cipher]

effects like those helped make secondary stats who usually are "non perceivable" in more perceivable ways

[balmy condor]

something UNIQUE

and then they gave us that stupid piece of shit ability

THREE EXPANSIONS

[radiant raven]

They copy pasted the BfA-era trinket onto Deathstalker instead

[balmy condor]

exsang makes me so fucking mad

it's literally just hell

it started as something cool which didn't work out, and then it took 6 years of trying to make the already awkward and forced thing fit

for them to finally get rid of it

[shy axle]

should bring it back

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

I mean the way they treat sanguine blades

they just might

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

or maybe they just forget we have bleeds

and it stays away

sanguine blades replaced with emerald blades

[spice spire]

Need more envenom buffs

[balmy condor]

envenom damage increased by a billion

[spice spire]

True

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

I feel like shit bring her back

[spice spire]

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bright cipher]

i also like what they did to WW, a spec who historically disliked haste, now have some spells who scale with haste for damage.

or Frost DK and its interactions with critical strike

[balmy condor]

that's just healthy design imo

specs should have interactions

[bronze pike]

I like mine

[balmy condor]

outlaw being a vers/crit spec collecting bonus damage 💀

[bronze pike]

Tho I feel like the crit interaction with art of war was a bit to much

[golden loom]

outlaws haste thingy is nice

[bronze pike]

Don’t say that

[balmy condor]

outlaws mastery needs something cool

[bronze pike]

People will flame u

[bright cipher]

all energy-based specs with issues on their haste scallign should take a note from WW book in regards to that

[bronze pike]

Rework it to be gun based

[balmy condor]

yeh

gun outlaw good

[bronze pike]

Outlaw is just gun

And it’s at its best when it’s gun

Shadowlands outlaw tier set

Got buffed and blunder bussy buff

Funnest outlaws ever been ngl

[bright cipher]

most masteries i think need to become something more than a glorified form of versatility

[quiet oar]

and haste needs a better usage 🙂

[bronze pike]

Make adr increase damage based on haste %

[little tulip]

idk i like it when the disc priest pi's me and i energy cap

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna do my best rem cosplay and cook, ready?

[bright cipher]

Like, Demonology, they could have a small % chance to summon a demon from the twisting nether for each shard spent alongside its current effect

[quiet oar]

First of all, make ADR GCD not scale with haste anymore

[bright cipher]

that would be cool

[bronze pike]

Kk

[bronze pike]

Ye

Acceptable

[balmy condor]

outlaw mastery is reworked to fan the hammer, and the mastery % is just the chance for fan the hammer to proc

[bronze pike]

Based based based based

[hollow river]

Pistol and BtE do X% more dmg. Yes.

[balmy condor]

when you shoot gun, you have chance to shoot gun and get cp

[golden loom]

add more gun abilites

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-guy-shooting-gun-gun-shot-gif-15114243

[quiet oar]

What about a hit stat?

and if you dont have a certain amount of hit stat

you shoot your friends

[golden loom]

remove killing spree and give outlaw Samira ult from league of legends

[little tulip]

it'

s not tuesday 😦

[midnight mist]

??

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/samira-gif-18547792

imagine this was outlaw rogue

[royal lantern]

league mentioned

you are a free ignore now

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/based-uh-hello-based-department-based-department-american-psycho-patrick-bateman-gif-22458382

[bronze pike]

Outlaw mastery

You shoot gun

Chance for fun to shoot again

Done

[quiet oar]

And we rename the mastery from main gauche to

Murica

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/katamari-crab-gun-crab-gun-katamari-damacy-gif-11828792778288815909

[little tulip]

jesus chrib get in the car

[bright cipher]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Mastery

Like, lets look at the damage dealing masteries here

Havoc : It's versa but only for chaos damage..who is a lot of your damage.
Balance: It's versa but only if you dots are up.
Feral: Versa but for your dots
Dev: Reverse-execute versa
BM: Pet Versa (same as demo too)
MM: Shooty-shooty versa with a bit of bonus range
Survival: Literally Versatility

[royal lantern]

yes, mastery is just "you do more dmg"

same as haste crit and vers

[little tulip]

actually at some point between wrath and cata resto druid/dk was stooper broken afair, what even happened lmao

[bright cipher]

I wouldn't put haste in there, but i understand that as a rogue it feels like it

but all casters can notice haste increments very hard

[golden loom]

also on fury its very noticeable

[bright cipher]

Haste does have some CDS who get lowered by it too