assassination

[lavish wing]

y'all need some Jesus... 😄

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-pope-gif-21680164

[subtle tundra]

whispyr needs to make thirst traps

for ME

[balmy condor]

orange, green

[static glacier]

i think bright gnome green

[warm vortex]

Like both at once

Or

[balmy condor]

whatever gets you off man

[static glacier]

or maybe a pastel

[warm vortex]

Just shave off all your hair

[subtle tundra]

you

[warm vortex]

Baldspyr

[balmy condor]

I clean shaved on stream like 3\ years ago or something

[warm vortex]

[balmy condor]

lost a bet or something

[warm vortex]

Get a beard and dye it the opposite colour of your hair

[balmy condor]

there's probably a clip of me with a pedo stache somewhere on the internet

[warm vortex]

Grow a thick bushy moustache

[static glacier]

can you get the assassination icon

or maybe just envenom icon

[balmy condor]

moustache aint the problem, it's the beard that's patchy

[balmy condor]

this seems like such a nightmare

[balmy condor]

it looks good for like 3 minutes and then your roots come in like a half millimeter and it's fucked

[static glacier]

ngl I've never really gone down the more extreme hair dye rabbithole

[shy heron]

Go for the Sam Elliott mustache

[warm vortex]

Do one of these

[lavish wing]

go to Turkey 😄

[warm vortex]

Imagine opening the fucking mythic + assassination video and seeing some dude with a fish tank wielded to his head

Totally serious

[sullen steppe]

Guys does season 2 m0 release on the 24th?

[balmy condor]

I don't got enough uni-brow goin on, the mustache ain't connectin like that, the rest I could do

[warm vortex]

Move your uni brow to your lip

Easy

[balmy condor]

don't got one of those either im afraid

my gf finds great joy in waxing my eyebrows

so those are pretty crisp

[warm vortex]

Interesting hobby

Waxspyr

[balmy condor]

she's been dating me for nearly 10 years at this point, she's gotta be an interesting person to do something like that to herself

[warm vortex]

Bro I still have that tescticle thing in my camera roll

[spice spire]

Interesting not the word I’d use

[warm vortex]

Every time I see it I just find it so fucking funny

[spice spire]

[warm vortex]

It’s such a wispyr thing to say

[static glacier]

zzzzzzzzzzz delve spam again for gear zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[warm vortex]

Hey at least bran can tank now

[balmy condor]

she's a demon

and it's great

[static glacier]

scammed, real rogue behaviour

[warm vortex]

Whispyr is married to a demon

Warlock

[balmy condor]

god I wish

not married yet

this year

maybe next

[spice spire]

This bit of lore is so fucking funny

[warm vortex]

Make sure her ring is socketed else it’s vendor trash

[balmy condor]

bro she's been straight scamming the fuck out of dudes for like 8 years

I don't get it

[warm vortex]

Oh so that’s who did it last week to me

[static glacier]

thing is she's technically not lying

[earnest remnant]

imagine your lore is just being horny posting 24/7, crazy

[static glacier]

just not dispelling certain assumptions

[balmy condor]

ye

[warm vortex]

Like half of the assassination chat

[subtle tundra]

can you scam me?

as in, can i buy you a drink

[spice spire]

That’s not even 1% of my lore buckaroo

That’s just a bit

[earnest remnant]

sure

[warm vortex]

Whispyr I found another questionable message

It’s so fucking funny

[balmy condor]

I'm sure you can find many

[spice spire]

Dog that’s half his messages not helping others

[warm vortex]

I know

It’s a goldmine

[spice spire]

I learned from the best

[warm vortex]

Bro you say weird shit too

As do I

[spice spire]

I literally said that?

[earnest remnant]

he only says weird shit

[warm vortex]

Oh

[spice spire]

That’s not true at all

[warm vortex]

And acoustic

[subtle tundra]

i havent had any homosexual activities recently irl.. i really need something soon

[earnest remnant]

no filter evading bucko

[warm vortex]

Wait those words are filtered

[subtle tundra]

im getting blue balled so bad

the r word is

[warm vortex]

Ohhh

Had no idea

[subtle tundra]

type it

[balmy condor]

don't

[warm vortex]

I’ll delete the message I sent then

Didn’t mean to evade the law

[subtle tundra]

[warm vortex]

K gimme a sec

It

There

[balmy condor]

varas trying to get people a permanent record

[spice spire]

Classic varas

[warm vortex]

I did what he said tho

I typed it

[subtle tundra]

cant a little guy have some fun

[earnest remnant]

fits the narrative

fcking Romanian

[balmy condor]

I HAVE TO DPS STOP

[warm vortex]

Bro our raid leaders name is filtered in the guild discord

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAA

[warm vortex]

It’s so funny

[balmy condor]

(I don't actually care)

[spice spire]

Pilav?

[balmy condor]

waiting for cds

[subtle tundra]

THATS NOT WOW

WHAT?

[warm vortex]

Tf are you playing

That looks like a browser game

[balmy condor]

maplestory obviously

[subtle tundra]

it is

[balmy condor]

why would I play wow

[subtle tundra]

i thought you were on silken court ngl

[warm vortex]

Because it had assassination

[earnest remnant]

didn't maplestory have some legal issues some years ago?

had some friends talk about that

[lofty junco]

what did u mean with "camped back out?

[spice spire]

Because it’s key o clock

Brother

[warm vortex]

Varas you come off the type to tell your mum to uninstall system 32 or smth to fix her issue

Or to genuinely unplug someone’s life support to charge your DS

[balmy condor]

yeah, anti-gambling laws in korea with a system in the korea only version that they rigged to get more money

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[warm vortex]

Also how are we all feeling today

[earnest remnant]

horrible

[warm vortex]

Good

I mean

Why

What’s up

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt be malicious to people that dont understand the funny behind it

[earnest remnant]

its wednesday

[balmy condor]

eu/na versions of the game are run by different crew

so it's kinda whatever

[warm vortex]

Really?

Thought you would X)

[balmy condor]

our rates are fine

[warm vortex]

Understandable

[subtle tundra]

im the sweetest guy irl

[warm vortex]

I hate wed

[spice spire]

Good but annoyed. Roads are iced so I’m missing today but I’m going to have to work Saturday now

[warm vortex]

Debatable

[subtle tundra]

varas glazing done by varas himself

[warm vortex]

Saturday work gang

[balmy condor]

varas glazing? could be us

[subtle tundra]

uwu

[subtle tundra]

we've had snow for 5 days straight and today it stopped, its gonna get icy now

shit ass

[fresh blaze]

yo have a quick question
we wont have class tuning this week?

[balmy condor]

who knows

[fresh blaze]

good 😄

[tropic jewel]

Dont think so .. shamans needed sone Long forgotten Tuning

[peak bobcat]

Big assas buffs coming

4pc fix and number buff

[golden loom]

Well its working as intended isnt it

Its just bad

[tropic jewel]

I think u are caught in a dream @peak bobcat

I mean we couldnt Even Test something properly because everything was bugged on ptr Most of the time

[peak bobcat]

Just change it to envenom loses winning streak only

And make the 4 pc 10 seconds

[tropic jewel]

I would Target prefer sonething like shiv Stopps losing streak

[balmy condor]

they fixed all the bugs

[peak bobcat]

CT ticks don’t lose it?

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

no

[peak bobcat]

Pog

[static glacier]

it's a when, not if

they always make sin good in pure st by the end of the tier

[peak bobcat]

It’s an assas tier trust

Sin op

[static glacier]

let's just hope we don't get the abberus treatment with sub being better for prog

[lusty kraken]

we should be happy if any of the rogue specs will be good lol

[peak bobcat]

Well rogue only has 2 specs

[static glacier]

we already know outlaw is out of the running

it never sees play, even if it's top simming spec in the game

[peak bobcat]

Rogue hasn’t been bad since castle nathria

[static glacier]

demanding full uptime + low burst just ain't it for raid

[static glacier]

Id argue maybe it was average at best in nyalotha?

[peak bobcat]

Yeah that was the tier before

[static glacier]

alzheimers strikes again

[peak bobcat]

Just make assas the best single target spec in the game as it should be

Only damage that matters is boss damage

[spice surge]

Possible sub ends up being better even if assa does more singletarget, just because it has way more burst

But we will have to see

[static glacier]

atm it's deffo in contention

so long as it's not a pure st fight

[peak bobcat]

Sub being good because of burst is good

[golden loom]

Even in pure st raid sin is doing well atm (sikran/kyveza)

[static glacier]

we don't realistically compete with hunter or sham

other than those it's fair game

[peak bobcat]

Healthy for the class if sub is brought because of its low CDs being good and sin is brought because of executes and consistent 1 minute damage profile

[balmy condor]

sin is a 1 min damage profile?

news to me

[peak bobcat]

Back when kingsbane did something

[balmy condor]

I mean even in amirdrassil, kb was pretty limp without deathmark

[golden loom]

Yeah shaman is shaman and hunter only has ST and falls off a cliff in aoe

[peak bobcat]

Shaman has to be getting nerfed no?

Can’t keep getting away with it

[static glacier]

honestly

idk man

this class has been disgusting for all of df

and now this tier

it's like them being shit in the past at times has warped everyone's brains and its sleeper for expacs on end

[lavish wing]

Fdk needs to be good for more than 2 weeks

[peak bobcat]

No it does not

Fuck dk no cap

[hollow river]

enh got a nerf

multiple nerfs

[lavish wing]

You, shush 😝

[red schooner]

I am a simple man, I like my rogue, I play my rogue. Other classes are irrelevant

Best way to be, just chill

[lusty kraken]

fire mage going back to being meta

[static glacier]

honestly

fire has been down bad for a bit too long

bring it back

[lavish wing]

Tbh it rly does seem like rogue is the most boring rn

[golden loom]

Isnt fire the best mage spec atm

[static glacier]

nah

[red schooner]

Ye but I've been rogue for too long and I am bad with change

[peak bobcat]

You’re playing a dangerous game

[static glacier]

true

then again fire actually has downsides

[golden loom]

Is it frost then?

[lavish wing]

Same, rogue main since the day one, which was sometimes in 2008. 🤣

[static glacier]

it's not ret level of braindead

[golden loom]

Cause wasnt arcane shot dead

[static glacier]

frost or arcane depending on fight, fire is bis on 2nd boss bc of its hitbox + ignite spreading to adds

[golden loom]

Gotcha

[peak bobcat]

Why does the 4pc suck for sin? Duration not long enough or number bad ?

[golden loom]

Very rare to proc

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[balmy condor]

every number on it sucks

[peak bobcat]

The eye test on it looks like the worst tier set I’ve ever seen

[balmy condor]

it'll be fine but they grossly underestimated legit every part of it

[shy axle]

what was underestimated?

[peak bobcat]

The chance % prob sucks, the duration prob sucks, the effectiveness prob sucks

[lavish wing]

But is it legit?

[peak bobcat]

Yeah it legit sucks

[spice surge]

If they upped the numbers it would be better yes

[peak bobcat]

Increase chance and double duration let rogue dev cook

[lusty kraken]

who

[balmy condor]

you realize items are a different team yes?

[golden loom]

Did you guys watch the Scarizard interview with max/dratnos? That guy gives me hope for the game

[peak bobcat]

You’re probably right, rogue dev didn’t talk to item team classic mistake

[balmy condor]

Y I K E S

[subtle tundra]

scarizard has been a dev for a long time

not like words mean anything

NOTHING MATTERS

[peak bobcat]

Scarizard

[balmy condor]

scarizard is our hope?

[lusty kraken]

reminder they removed dinars for quite a while and they still didn't say what they are going to do

[balmy condor]

we're cooked

[golden loom]

Idk I love how happy he sounded talking about stuff

[marble hemlock]

if scarizard is our hope, then were truly and deeply lost

[peak bobcat]

Guild tried to tell me transmitter will get nerfed cuz of Scarizard interview and I said that just confirms it will be bis all of next season

[balmy condor]

how long have you been playing wow out of curiosity

[golden loom]

Retail since september

[balmy condor]

figures

[subtle tundra]

hope they dont nerf it so sub can keep playing it and i get house of cards

[spice surge]

I'd assume house of cards is notably better than transmitter for assa

[lusty kraken]

didn't scarizard use to work for Riot

[marble hemlock]

hes happy talking about stuff because he made that stuff hes happy about and he LOVES talking about how AWESOME the stuff is that he makes

[golden loom]

Yeah he was great there

[balmy condor]

he was indeed great there

[peak bobcat]

Yeah but I was reference needing it for sub

[balmy condor]

the items he's made for wow though

[peak bobcat]

Ass

[balmy condor]

are some of the most hated grotesque shit

[lusty kraken]

is he the one who came up with the transmitter gimmick?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lusty kraken]

ok fuck that guy

[peak bobcat]

He makes a lot of shit trinkets

[balmy condor]

and IQD in shadowlands

[peak bobcat]

And shit tier sets

[subtle tundra]

ok thats illegal

transmitter is fine

[balmy condor]

and that one jailer trinket that like did damage to yourself

[lusty kraken]

please no more gimmicky trinkets

[balmy condor]

or whatever

[marble hemlock]

tfw you think back to this and this was actually better than what we got now

[spice surge]

Bro cooks a lot, just sometimes he ends up with some charred pieces that doesnt please people

[marble hemlock]

nomi irl

[balmy condor]

and that one dagger from second boss amirdrassil was also his cook, but he did that in his free time I think

[golden loom]

I say let him keep cooking

[lusty kraken]

wasn't that dagger useless

[subtle tundra]

yeah that really impressive and memorable dagger

[spice surge]

Idk it was neat

[balmy condor]

it gave you a cheat death that wasn't a cheat death and didn't work half the time, or like 3% movespeed

[spice surge]

Main problem with it is that it was worded like it was a damaging effect

[balmy condor]

I mean we've been letting him cook for over 2 expacs at this point, how much longer should we wait

[spice surge]

Like that dagger definitely wasnt an overcook, its just a neat side thing

[subtle tundra]

imagine if it was something that was sometimes useful and noticeable
idk
30% movespeed on use for stealthed allies so can use it as a sprint in stealth

or something

but 3% movespeed is not real

STROKE ME

[balmy condor]

oh the sark cloak thingy

that was his thing too

[lusty kraken]

eh sark cloak wasn't too bad

[balmy condor]

the one that had no stam and the effect was like 0.5% uptime

[peak bobcat]

Shadowlands item ptsd

[balmy condor]

basically every gimmicky item that people have complained about since shadowlands can be traced back to him

whether that's good or bad idk

[wild thorn]

someone got a big shnoze and can sniff out the tuning patch date?

[balmy condor]

I personally don't really mind most of it

but people hate it passionately

[balmy condor]

raid comes out on the 4th? so pencil it in for the 18th

[lusty kraken]

trinkets that take you out of the flow are really annoying

[subtle tundra]

did he make circlet/the other thing

[lusty kraken]

like puzzlebox and transmitter

please just let me press the trinket and give me stats

thanks

[balmy condor]

idk probably had a hand in it

[winged quail]

I'd rather have a dev try and be creative than pump out the same shit every tier

[peak bobcat]

I miss when rogue used 1 damage on use trinket and 1 damage passive trinket

[golden loom]

Wow another on use stat trinket, how innovative

[lusty kraken]

aren't you doing that now?

[peak bobcat]

Phial of putrefaction every season

[subtle tundra]

idk how they havent made any cooler trinkets than font and convergence of fate

[golden loom]

What do you think about mandate design?

[subtle tundra]

maybe im just biased

[shy axle]

sometimes its agi and sometimes ...gasp...secondary stats

[balmy condor]

mandate is sick

[golden loom]

I also like the thought of spymasters even if its giga overtuned

[marble hemlock]

what about mandate (it didnt crit)

[balmy condor]

mine always crits

[subtle tundra]

draught of souls better

[balmy condor]

nighthold

a patch that wasn't rushed

what's that like

[spice surge]

I mean spymaster is cool

[subtle tundra]

well they did have a mini raid to fill in space

we have... uh..

[spice surge]

Too bad the vrykul lantern effect is on a siren isle world trinket and not something useful. That effect would be cool too

[subtle tundra]

isle of shitness

[subtle tundra]

its shit in m+ 😦 cause the effect happens a lot out of combat bcs well, m+

[balmy condor]

they tend to put interesting stuff at dogass world ilvl a lot

[balmy condor]

you press a major cooldown out of combat?

[shy axle]

best place to use em

[spice surge]

I dont think youre talking about the same trinket i am

[subtle tundra]

its up to 40 seconds after major cooldowns buddy

or am i stupid

[balmy condor]

what

yes

by default

[subtle tundra]

ah its on cds

[vital haven]

thats why they need to bring titanforging back, i once titanforged a wq trinket by like 50 item levels

[subtle tundra]

but its up to 40 seconds

so it still ends up a lot after cds

[spice surge]

Its 40 seconds if you have a 4 minute cooldown yes

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you a bunch of the uptime is out of combat

cause i have played it

[balmy condor]

stop pressing dm at the end of a pack idk man

[subtle tundra]

well maybe do a key higher than 10 idk man

[final star]

i've done an 11

now what

[balmy condor]

is the meta past 10 to press dm so a 20 second buff persists after combat?

strange meta

[subtle tundra]

the meta is to go as fast as possible

and using my cds to finish a pack helps quite a bit

[balmy condor]

okay so then skardyns also has this issue

why are we playing that

[subtle tundra]

whatever you say old man

im just telling you

from experience

youre telling me from whatever your brain thinks

[balmy condor]

varas they're the same duration

[subtle tundra]

no they arent

blud

dont go into this

cause you have no idea how m+ is played

[balmy condor]

tf does this have to do with m+

it's a trinket

[subtle tundra]

it has everything to do with m+

cause its about m+

and how cds are used

[balmy condor]

how does that change the fact that skardyns and lantern are the same duration

[subtle tundra]

they fucking aint

cause you dont use ON CD all the time

asap

but alas

[balmy condor]

it's 40s on 4 min varas

[subtle tundra]

k

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe I'm the dumbfuck here

are you using dm every 4 min

[subtle tundra]

im gonna say something, youre gonna disagrea

youre gonna say something, im gonna disagree

no point

[balmy condor]

I'm asking you if you use dm every 4 min

what is there to disagree about it

[subtle tundra]

its whatever

[golden loom]

Scarizard really is destroying this game....

[balmy condor]

thanks varas for helping me out top notch

why explain your thinking

when you can just say haha whispyr m+ bad

and then tilt

[normal mist]

It started early today

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't get how it's lasting past the end of a pack cause like okay you hold your cds and it's like 30s but I don't know of situations where it's 40s cause you'd waste a whole cast of dm and that sounds wrong to me

idk if a situation exists

but it's just easier to say fuck you whispyr you don't know shit

and then fly off the handle

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jesse-pinkman-drinking-water-gif-24820309

[subtle tundra]

ok sorry whispyr for not being explicit enough
my experience was with my group, playing with an elemental shaman and in high m+ you have cooldowns assigned to certain pulls
and when an elemental uses cooldowns a pull lasting for 20 seconds is normal

so setup + using my cooldowns, and cooldown not being used on cd earlier so buff is LONGER

means it gets wasted

[balmy condor]

yeh if a pull lasts 20s that's fucked

[subtle tundra]

i will not elaborate further

elemental shaman burst with spymaster is more like venthyr boomkin

but requires no ramp

[balmy condor]

the fact that pulls that high up still get obliterated

man

what did blizzard do to the fucking scaling

[earnest remnant]

played it all of last raid, i had a whopping 0% crit rate on it throughout the night

[balmy condor]

be better idk

[nova aspen]

just get more crit

[balmy condor]

yeah honestly, mine had a 21.6% crit rate, maybe just try that? (I have like 33% crit or something)

[final star]

This is ele shaman burst

[earnest remnant]

17 casts 0 crits

thats impressive if i must say

[final star]

To boss

😄

It's kind of obscene

[subtle tundra]

thats at 1:19 timer

[final star]

no

it's 1:19 to 1:43

[subtle tundra]

yeah

[final star]

24 seconds

[subtle tundra]

but that means no spymaster stacks

so its even more 🙂

[final star]

Yeah it's 13 stacks

[balmy condor]

why my guilds ele not do that

[nova aspen]

my only alt is ele its so fun and cool

[subtle tundra]

when the little shaman does 20mil burst on a 4 mob pack 😋

[nova aspen]

ascendance is beyond badass

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

i miss my meatball shaman from Amirrdrassil

[final star]

Here's a 30 stack spymaster

on aoe

[balmy condor]

bro what

my shaman trolling or what is going on

[earnest remnant]

well he is firing that shit into add spawn

[final star]

bet he doesn't know bloodbound technology

[subtle tundra]

well its hard to play ive been continuously told

[balmy condor]

isn't it just spam lightning bolt

[subtle tundra]

also the spec has some bugged interactions

with stormkeeper

that he refuses to tell me

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-bolt-gif-10297555197318505984

[balmy condor]

[final star]

Yeah he doesn't save ascendance

for going down

[subtle tundra]

so its also exploit town

[balmy condor]

game sucks

[subtle tundra]

two weeks ago he told us he has been playing the spec wrong

[subtle tundra]

and suddenly was doing 200-300k more dps

[balmy condor]

I mean I never see him on the meters that much im ngl

[subtle tundra]

cause he found out how to exploit better

[balmy condor]

like I see him on opener and I'm like "ah, blue = burst"

and then I don't see him anymore

[final star]

I mean

you're comparing him to ronkas

who is currently r1 and r4 ele shaman

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean he's not giga op but I thought good enough

but I've never seen even remotely close to that

[final star]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

there is a very high skill ceiling on shaman

elemental

[golden loom]

holy fuck that is sexy

[subtle tundra]

apparently i woudlnt know

[final star]

some people are just better at wow

[balmy condor]

1:32 bloodbound is mental

[nova aspen]

jesus christ

[final star]

1 tank no heal

[nova aspen]

top 5 ranks on every boss lmao

[balmy condor]

[final star]

no ring cheese either

cos that's cringe

[balmy condor]

well ring cheese is also just dps loss

so yeh

[final star]

it's faster

[earnest remnant]

hope they introduce some more funny bosses so you can actually do some funny speed tech on

[final star]

by a lot

[earnest remnant]

an not just "haha drop healers and tanks"

[balmy condor]

[hearty reef]

What happened? Coming out of DF ele was 2 buttons spec

[balmy condor]

how is it faster

[dapper cradle]

Can’t even get 2 set of sub cds on that bloodbound kill

[final star]

because it kills the boss

[dapper cradle]

1:16 lmaooo

Crazy

[earnest remnant]

speed was more fun when you had to do tech

Assault my beloved

[final star]

Yeah, idk if advance gonna do speedkill

[balmy condor]

I guess when kill times are that low the damage of the ring is the same so the loss is less

[final star]

it's just everyone except 4 people die

and it kills boss

so you only change gem on 4 people

[earnest remnant]

remember our assault wowhead post, people wanted us banned for it xD

[final star]

[balmy condor]

yeah but like on ansurek prog and shit the damage was never worth it

[spice surge]

Ig they found how to consistently get the tempest bug

[balmy condor]

but like if it's 1:20

then everyone die

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

and it's the same damage

so worth it I guess

[balmy condor]

stuck with shit rings for less time

[final star]

it does 420M damage

in a global

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

yes I'm aware

[golden loom]

is that bloodbound aoe boom

killing them all

[dapper cradle]

Sucks you can’t one phase queen

[final star]

no it's the spread circles

you just stack

[dapper cradle]

Would be funny to just spread her cheeks wide in p1

[spice surge]

Ive heard my guilds shaman says it sometimes does like 2x the damage its supposed to and but nobody on the discord knew how to replicate it

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

But that was like 1 month ago or some shit, so they probably found it

[balmy condor]

magus spec

Always with the magus

[hearty reef]

Lightning magus

[subtle tundra]

just crazy that even without the bug its the strongest spec

[final star]

the burst it does is unethical

same as enh

[balmy condor]

Ngl I didn’t even realize the bandwagon stopped at ele station

I thought we were all still hyping enhance

[subtle tundra]

ele is so fucking overtuned but nobody knows

cause enhancemt

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[hearty reef]

Wcl statistics always showed that

[balmy condor]

I mean I’ve also checked out of the season

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt for m+

[balmy condor]

S2 Wahoo

[nova aspen]

11.1 waiting lobby

[final star]

ele is the strongest spec in raid rn psure

[balmy condor]

Hell yeah

[hearty reef]

For raid yeah that ele is king

[final star]

it can literally do it all

[hearty reef]

Mage and lock season

S2

[balmy condor]

Prot war season I’ve heard

Those mfers be simming higher than us atm

[hearty reef]

The underdog

[nova aspen]

m0's are on a daily lockout starting next tuesday, and they drop 636 ilvl gear, so its perfect for my ele sham he is only like 615

[hearty reef]

Hhhm

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

Wait no shot right

[nova aspen]

grind em out for fun then hop on the rogue

[balmy condor]

7 days of farming 636 m0 world tours before raid launch?

That can’t be correct

[subtle tundra]

ayo

[golden loom]

wait that sounds fun as fuck

[subtle tundra]

thats how varasdruid is getting geared

fuck yeah

[final star]

I thought it was weekly

[nova aspen]

im pretty sure ye

[golden loom]

my friends have been asking when we get to start doing some retail dungeons

[final star]

back to weekly > drops higher ilvl

[subtle tundra]

varasdruid needs to do those m0s so he can get boosted in some weeklies

[nova aspen]

wait actually i might be wrong

[balmy condor]

Big chompa

[balmy condor]

That’s what I thought

Amen peace restored

[nova aspen]

damnit

[balmy condor]

(I can’t keep up with their convoluted ass gear tiering system)

[nova aspen]

will still be bored for another week then

[balmy condor]

Champ track and weekly and daily and hero track farmed and myth track vault and crests but the crests drop from lower than the gear cause the end of the track is the start of the next and also you need valorstones and no one knows where they come from but you need like a billion

[hearty reef]

🃏🃏🃏🃏
🃏. 🃏
🃏. 🃏
🃏. 🃏

[balmy condor]

Good item system

[nova aspen]

[final star]

removing valorstones would fix that shit

[royal lantern]

yep

[final star]

but I personally don't have problems with valorstones ever

so don't fix it

fix it

idc

[royal lantern]

valor Stones are just weird

[nova aspen]

oh i found this

[royal lantern]

like, you are either capped or at 0

no in bettwen

[golden loom]

feel like valorstones only are an issue on alts

[balmy condor]

I don’t have a problem with valorstones until I played an alt and now I need 1800 for 2 items and I’m like what the fuck

[golden loom]

thats a fury warrior issue also

[nova aspen]

at least they drop 636 gear tho, but yea weekly sucks

[royal lantern]

and they kinda dont serve a purpose except being annoying

cua Like, you allready did the content for crests, why need something else now

[final star]

Threl

[golden loom]

u need to upgrade 2 twohanders and just get valorstone jailed

[tranquil cobalt]

Valorstones mean nothing on mains and are cringe as hell on alts. Atleast let us transfer them to alts off our main

[balmy condor]

AIDS

[royal lantern]

thats why you play furry warrior uwu

[balmy condor]

I still don’t know how to farm valorstones

Cause dungeons give like fuck all don’t they

[tranquil cobalt]

Dirt farming used to be good for it

[spice surge]

If these dont get reset you can buy these now

[golden loom]

delves into world soul stuff

[balmy condor]

It’s like 40 or 50 for a key?

[royal lantern]

ye

[balmy condor]

Gross

[royal lantern]

its "do stuff" tbh

but like, its just so pointless

[balmy condor]

Yeah I want to do the least stuff

I have like 6 myth track pieces and no stones

[golden loom]

my fury warr is kinda stacked, and then you see the trinkets

[patent iron]

do we know what the 'gear pool' is going to be for M+ this season? are there any trinkets that are going to give ass an advantage?

[balmy condor]

Advantage in what way

[normal mist]

More damuge

[balmy condor]

It’s kinda the same as always

[spice surge]

The best trinkets are from raid

[balmy condor]

If you don’t have the raid trinkets that are super strong

Then you have the same trinkets in m+ but like 20% weaker for some reason

Cause tuning is boned atm

[patent iron]

the best trinkets weren't from raid this tier though

[royal lantern]

ye, happens

[hearty reef]

Kinda

[royal lantern]

sometimes best is raid, somwtimes best is m+

[balmy condor]

Egg exists

But yeah

[royal lantern]

[hearty reef]

Radio

[balmy condor]

I mean more design wise it’s kinda all a wash ain’t it

[royal lantern]

and everytime the best is from the raid, m+ andys complain about it

[balmy condor]

Pick trinket that make big cd bigger, pick second trinket that do a big damage or a big stat

[hearty reef]

Complain of having one shot per week instead of 2?

[hearty reef]

La bomba

[dapper cradle]

You never have enough at the beginning

And too many at the end

[balmy condor]

Making the bomba trinket in abberus and aoe and then making the entire raid mind controlled so you nuke your team mates

Blizzards real funny

[hearty reef]

[static glacier]

dumbest thing was it could trigger pvp talents

[balmy condor]

Yeh mind control is silly

[hearty reef]

I just tabbed and beaconed guildies i didnt like if they mced

[balmy condor]

It’s up there with dodge and parry

[static glacier]

one time I died to some dumbass shaman pvp talent bc the dog liked to spread flame shock on us for funnel

pig behaviour

[balmy condor]

I remember wcl devs going “wait we gotta filter out friendly fire damage”

[royal lantern]

lame

the REAL move was to use blind on the demonic tyrant from your warlock

[balmy condor]

That was a funny one

[royal lantern]

more subtle and just as effective

[hearty reef]

Too subtle

[balmy condor]

Imagine if we had aoe blind on prog

[hearty reef]

I grief for clout i dont grief for the sake of it

[patent iron]

i mean if there a stat (mastery) on use trinket that's always going to be useful for ass

[balmy condor]

Just aoe blind into fok, stop all the casts

[balmy condor]

There’s multiple of those

Just like every patch

[spice surge]

Almost all specs in the entire game are going to want to use House of Cards and Eye of kezan with how the trinkets are right now

[static glacier]

so the spriest thing from beyond had a v similar name to the add, idk why I made a macro to target the add but mistakenly put the spriest pet name in

[dapper cradle]

Bro says mind control is silly but continues to watch bbc sissy hypno yaoi smh my head

[spice surge]

Those are just way better than anything else

[balmy condor]

Those aren’t words

[static glacier]

spent like 2 pulls dpsing spriest pet until we figured out

[balmy condor]

Deserved

Shadow magus spec

[hearty reef]

Whuspyr are you fine today?

[static glacier]

voice from beyond vs thing from beyond

[balmy condor]

Still dirty magus spec

[balmy condor]

Idk 6am still can’t sleep

[dapper cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1335822243074412574/giphy.gif

[patent iron]

Azerokk's Resonating Heart would looks good for a off use trinket

[hearty reef]

Sorry

[balmy condor]

Hopefully patch notes today so I can write guides

I’ve been procrastinating in hopes of things changes

But uh

[hearty reef]

Have you tried closing eyes lowering heart rate and counting sheeps?

[dapper cradle]

You mean playing devoker?

[hearty reef]

Auvoker*

[royal lantern]

delete aug

[balmy condor]

I don’t fall asleep unless someone chokes me out

It’s a medical condition

[hearty reef]

I see

[spice surge]

Sure, but its significantly worse than eye of kezan from raid

[dapper cradle]

I can’t sleep unless a fat latina suffocates me with her farts

Runs in the family

[balmy condor]

Real for that

[spice surge]

With how trinkets are tuned right now anything besides eye of kezan and house of cards is not interesting

[hearty reef]

Choked out as in strangled by the neck or suffocated by enormous glutes?

[balmy condor]

Whatever works

[royal lantern]

Linux on his face

[balmy condor]

He crawled up on my shoulders earlier and would not let go

[royal lantern]

real for that

[warm vortex]

Come here

Imma strangle

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Be careful what you wish for mister whispyr

Also do you genuinely have insomnia

[static glacier]

you can take this out bc we have execute

im also fairly sure we have the best funnel by a pretty big margin

[dawn seal]

Oh god thanks for showing Mr how to play the class and all the wow head guides

[balmy condor]

Yeah but then we just get obliterated in burst

[static glacier]

SHHHH

[dawn seal]

I just resaw someone's tip for me from the start of expansion

[balmy condor]

++ good on specifically rashanan

[dawn seal]

He was telling me to play around sanguine blades on st

And pool

[static glacier]

I thought it was litterally the reverse

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[dawn seal]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

You play around it

But other way

[static glacier]

[balmy condor]

[dawn seal]

Hahaha

[balmy condor]

It’s actually so upsetting how ignored energy is on this spec man

[static glacier]

tbh we can say sin's target switching is worse than the other rogue specs

[dawn seal]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

They started cooking

And then just

Let it rot

[static glacier]

lowkey s3 df sin shouldn't have been touched

[balmy condor]

11.2 we get 500 max energy

[dawn seal]

I think to me it's confusing to pool cuz i never did it

[balmy condor]

[dawn seal]

Have 0 experience on it

[static glacier]

the tierset actually made pooling real, meeanwhile all we got was this wack 10% env dmg node

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s also confusing to pool because blizzard won’t just commit to it as a gameplay element of the spec

They just toss some shit our way and have the community maybe pool and maybe not

And so it quickly gets real whack

[static glacier]

can we swap CT and thrown precision on the spec tree

[balmy condor]

Cause there’s like not a defined “this is a thing”

[static glacier]

thats the buff we deserve

[balmy condor]

It’s always some perma made up shit that I have to come up with

[royal lantern]

common, you know its not true

first we get another 20% more dmg on envenom

[balmy condor]

Bungie jumping off a cliff rq but without the bungie

[spice surge]

Green eviscerate

[patent iron]

are there any bosses that are going to lend themsleves to ass next season/

[balmy condor]

All of them

Maybe none

[patent iron]

good

[balmy condor]

Depends what happens to sub

[patent iron]

i want to continue to be top of the meters

[balmy condor]

Wrong class then

[patent iron]

despite my average gameplay

[golden loom]

about to pug 6/8 lets see how this goes

[balmy condor]

Definitely wrong class then

[arctic socket]

Play retadian

[patent iron]

not, i want to play with ass

[royal lantern]

be ready to reroll classes 5x a patch then

or just settle on mage

[balmy condor]

There’s like 20 specs right now that are far less complicated and easier to do and give you the same or better results

Be like that sometimes

[dawn seal]

Oh

[arctic socket]

Whispyr what’s your alt?

[balmy condor]

Fury

[hearty reef]

Ew

[arctic socket]

He’s a button smasher

[balmy condor]

I’ll stab you if you say arms

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

Arms is somehow even worse design than our hero talents

[golden loom]

stop the fury hate

[balmy condor]

Nothing makes sense on that shit

[golden loom]

spec is fun

[hearty reef]

Fury >>> arms but rog >>>>>>>rest

[midnight mist]

Why not outlaw

[arctic socket]

Outlaw is a meme

Bring back combat

[balmy condor]

Why outlaw

[arctic socket]

😦 my beloved

[midnight mist]

It's fun

[balmy condor]

Fury fun

[midnight mist]

Yes but outlaw is a rogue

Furry isn't

[arctic socket]

Zac how much did you play plunderstorm?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but second rogue is cringe

[midnight mist]

This time around exactly 0

Plunderstorm sucks

[arctic socket]

Dam

[static glacier]

I swear it's just alternating mortal strike and overpower outside of execute with slam to fill, atleast it was in df s3

[midnight mist]

And all it does it steal dev times

[arctic socket]

I thought you would have been into it for the cosmetics

[midnight mist]

From my game

[balmy condor]

Why do they have a dot and Exsanguinate but the way it shouldve been

[static glacier]

wait

ain't no way they kept in the rend exsang thing

[balmy condor]

Yep

[static glacier]

playerbase of that class are litteral meatheads

who wanted that

[paper tartan]

how good will we be next patch?

[static glacier]

good enough 🙂

[paper tartan]

cant find any videos from keys

[balmy condor]

No one and somehow they managed to get good exsang while we were stuck with dogass snapshot exsang for 3 expacs

[static glacier]

tuning pass yet to come

no one really knows what's going to do good damage yet

if something's super broken on ptr it likely wont be broken on live

[royal lantern]

they want to make mortal strike your mai dng big hit, but then let it do no dmg and instead put it all on dots

bruh

frkin Dragon roar, what is that button

and why is the dot so insane

[balmy condor]

Reverse assa rogue

[patent iron]

i just don't believe you.

[static glacier]

history supports what im saying

last real tier, s3 df outlaw was like 30% above everything, same with spriest

both those specs sucked

on live

[balmy condor]

History schmistory this time they’ll for sure let sub have a 23% tier set bonus and leave prot war as a middle of the pack dps spec

Trust me, my dog pissed in Anaheim one time

[static glacier]

normally the best spec for a tier will be the stuff right behind the top performers

since the blatantly op shit gets nerfed

this tier arcane and frost dk took the hit

fire didn't even make it to live in a viable state

they fucked it up during ptr

viola, there's your 3 best performing specs from tww ptr and what happened to them

[royal lantern]

yeha, just look at all the guardian druid tanks right

and how meta devining frost dk is

ptr "balance" is a giant meme

stuff releases too strong->gets adjusted in 2 weeks

[static glacier]

all it takes is a -6% aura nerf

[royal lantern]

every single patch since forever

[static glacier]

and ur spec isn't good anymore

[zinc creek]

define good

[balmy condor]

Antonym of bad

[static glacier]

"top 2 dps"

meta

w/e u wanna call it

basically what shaman was this tier

[zinc creek]

everything is meta

stop deluding

[haughty flicker]

god i missed this discord

[zinc creek]

ur not racing to world first

[balmy condor]

That’s his point

You’re agreeing

[static glacier]

ah yes, our spriest didn't get benched on prog, it had nothing to do with his spec being like 15-20% weaker than others

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Okay nvm

[zinc creek]

XDD

[balmy condor]

Idk what that was

[static glacier]

end of the day everything is good enough

play what you enjoy

[balmy condor]

And we’re back

[static glacier]

good enough =/= good "meta"

and they eventually fixed spriest

[zinc creek]

find another guild then if they force u onto meta specs

[static glacier]

they don't / didn't

[zinc creek]

or bench you even if youre better player

i mean

[static glacier]

but you can't expect your gm to bring something that lowers ur chances of prog

[static glacier]

our gm benched the enh trial on kyveza prog

bc he was a terrorist

he brought the weaker spec for the better player

not every guild is unfair etc

[oblique jackal]

Terrorist?

[static glacier]

he terrorised us on ovinax

[royal lantern]

plays like shit and wipes the raid 24/7

[haughty flicker]

most shamans are terrorists

[static glacier]

gm lost faith in mechanical play

[haughty flicker]

comes with the job description

[static glacier]

so decided nah

we dont bring enh despite it being best kyveza spec

by miles aswell

[royal lantern]

beign the current FotM doesnt help there

[static glacier]

realistically people just gota accept if the roster is over 20 someone will be benched

and you shouldn't make a big deal out of it if it's you

good officers will make sure you get play time

eg I didn't get a pull on rashanan until like week 5 or something, other rogue was always in for that

and id have not been in on kyveza if he didn't fail trial

shit happens, enjoy the evening off

[royal lantern]

wait what

that Sounds hilarious ngl

[static glacier]

let's just say he played poorly

[royal lantern]

"benched for 5weeks for that guy, he failed the trial btw"

[static glacier]

I had like

11 pulls on kyveza before it died xd

highkey since rash was farm I think it was just easier for roster to not switch up every week

which is why i was always in on 2nd boss and him on 4th

in his defence he was sitting all of ovi prog while I was in

it was just 50/50 playtime which I found fair

[earnest flume]

if you get a mechanic on some of these ST fights like rasha and sikran are you doomed to get a decent parse or am i dooky dogwater we think?

leaning towards dooky but want to check

[static glacier]

depends what you count as decent / when the mechanic happens

you can still parse mid-high 90s even if you get a mechanic given decent rng

I just wouldn't expect anything really high

[earnest flume]

ive definetly had one or two rasha pulls with the web during my dm kingsbane at the beginning. But both are sitting around 50 for my ilvl so I think im just kinda bad. cant tell where im messin up tho

[golden loom]

I just got a 93 with 2 phase blades both happening on cds

on sikran

it doesnt hurt you too bad

[earnest flume]

seems weve landed on im bad. much obliged gentleman. we arent doing another palace this season so guess i just gotta look to improve next raid

[static glacier]

just pre-position where webs would be + in melee

only way that you can be screwed on rash is if you have webs and you're late getting to the side and can't be in melee

[shy axle]

is fatebound assa st used in the raid right now, seeing it sims more in fuus sheet? Whats the reason not to play it if it does? never tested it

[wanton spear]

i think rasha depends how your guild does it too, like mine required webs like 20 yards out so if u got them u had to just throw dagger for the duration : /

[earnest flume]

ye we run them backwards on pull then usually try to get them out of melee on all the others, especially in the one with two sets of webs.

[spice surge]

You can just have the webs run to the side and you dont have to have 2 melees lose their entire opener every pull

[royal lantern]

do you want to coinflip rng your dmg even more then you allready do?

[hollow river]

fatebound has pmuch always simmed higher in pure ST, but not enough to where people care to swap

[shy axle]

ty for the explanation

[spice surge]

Its typically better to not even use throw dagger. Its damage is so incredibly poor

[earnest flume]

ye, we arent doing another raid this season so its irrelevant now.

[spice surge]

Its only somewhat worth it if you are at 300 energy already and not expecting to be able to get back in melee soon

[red schooner]

I wish that was us. Hitting our head against queen is pain

[static glacier]

no wonder ur log is cursed

if you get a mechanic = you lose like 6-10 globals during cds

rash forces no downtime except during the intermission runs

[earnest flume]

i also tend to be abit conservative in like aoe mechanics trying not to die, like in rain of arrows on sik i could prolly do a lil better staying in melee but i try to stay safe. so i guess im kinda finding some places where i need to be better

[static glacier]

honestly

don't change

an extra 10-50k dps isn't worth dying ever

[red schooner]

I'd be alright if we were progging on queen but it's just, people dying to things P1 leading to every pull being scuffed

[static glacier]

idk about top 100 but 200 and below not dying and doing slightly less damage is always better

[dapper cradle]

what does this timeline mean? is he casting an envenom between shiv and KB? am I tripping?

[earnest flume]

ye my guilds been rebuilding so we stopped right after rasha about a few weeks ago since we keep getting new people and slamming our heads against bosses with no chance at CE feels like its bad for mental

[red schooner]

Ye that's fair. We did a rebuild and started again early Jan, and progged princess and court in that time

But ye we hit the queen wall

[static glacier]

somehow yes, if that's a casts timeline

doesn't seem like there's a gcd on the spells though which is wierd

shiv, env and kb should all trigger a 1s gcd

[dapper cradle]

yeah that's what's throwing me off

i usually go ENV, DM, SHIV, KB

but that looks like ENV, DM, SHIV, ENV, KB

[static glacier]

this is what you'd want

[hollow river]

maybe a bugged log?

wasn't there some exploit where people were lowering their gcd on any class or some shit

[dapper cradle]

[dapper cradle]

yeah this is what I'm doing

[hollow river]

can you link the log

[golden loom]

the 6/8 mythic pug stopped at 3 pulls on ovi getting him to 60%

[midnight mist]

he has adr up

[dapper cradle]

fuck I gotta try the DS SIN ADR build

[earnest flume]

looking into some logs for why im doing kinda bad and it seems my haste is really low compared to other players. got hella crit and mastery but kinda low haste so missing out on just getting more casts in it seems. makes sense

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[golden loom]

sorry to break your dreams again

[wanton spear]

i swapped my stats to be optimal to archon and nuked my overall lol

[golden loom]

optimal to archon

we arent even cooking now, the kitchens on fire

[half tartan]

Is sub black powder/evis build a lot closer to sin now? Or is there still a huge damage gap? Lots of testers on PTR doing sub and it felt good last night personally or am I biased because I like it.

Question mainly referring to m+ but valid for raiding too.

[golden loom]

well sub on PTR has a tier set thats like +20000 gazzilion % or smthin

[half tartan]

So its broken/bugged?

[wanton spear]

isn't the bug either 100% up time on tier or 0%

[golden loom]

idk I am no expert, all I've read tho is that somethings going on

[hollow river]

the perma stacks bug was fixed

[half tartan]

I can check the logs

[hollow river]

now it has bugs that are negatively effecting dmg

[half tartan]

I love sin but hope sub is good, the 1.5 minute cd timer feels incredible, now especially that we don’t have to use treacherous transmitter lol

[peak bobcat]

boy do i have news for you

[hollow river]

why wouldn't you exactly?

[half tartan]

Its just annoying I pepegad and killed myself a few times

[wanton spear]

sounds about right, any buff instantly gets fixed but any bug that hurts us just sorta gets swept under the rug lol

[golden loom]

prepare to have that happen more unless they nerf transmitter

[hollow river]

mythic transmitter sims on par with mythic house of cards

[half tartan]

It also messed up my opener when there was a lot of mobs and the orb was hard to see,

[half tartan]

Thats crazy

[coarse summit]

loved having the transmitter ball fall off the edge on queen p3

[hollow river]

yeah, its just that the sims don't have the negative bugs implemented, so the tier sims extremely high

higher than it should, afaik (with the bugs)

[static glacier]

i swear to god if its a sub tier ima cry

if im gona use transmitter the whole tier

[golden loom]

the solution is

never kill mythic kyveza

[hollow river]

at least you guys have one

[golden loom]

I dont even have heroic transmitter on my main rogue or my sub rogue