And then its also 5%
#assassination
spice surge
spice surge
Its 5% more if youre at 6 cp
But if you go to 7 cp its 17% and 5% more, so roughly 23% more
Its very good
tired girder
ya that makes total sense, ty for the clarification
golden loom
would also say that more fan damage is very fake on that fight in that sense
you are there for boss damage
more fan damage is just kinda useless
earnest remnant
you are there for boss damage
no im not
nova aspen
its good to question stuff
i question u guys daily but i dont feel any smarter 
earnest remnant
im there to parse
nova aspen
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earnest remnant
i question u guys daily but i dont feel any smarter <:CH_PepeWtfCute:97848776104...
genetics issue
tired girder
i've never killed ovi on my rogue so was looking at talents and such
golden loom
im there to parse
post log of 5m dps or noob
tired girder
i got swapped in with rogue on queen and got the #1 parse cause my fury warrior died before platforms lol
frigid lagoon
is kingbane still doubled when deathmark runs out?
tired girder
so now im trying to min max parse for the reclear
earnest remnant
kingsbane doesent get doubled
earnest remnant
lethal poisons are on your weapons
frigid lagoon
earnest remnant
thats just funny wording
golden loom
this ovi log still looks so funny, zac also being there parsing
earnest remnant
its only wep poisons
tired girder
this ovi log still looks so funny, zac also being there parsing
hahaha right?
earnest remnant
this ovi log still looks so funny, zac also being there parsing
just spawn over 300 parasites
tired girder
the arcane mage did 3mil and had a 99 99 parse
earnest remnant
its that simple
tired girder
and they're both doing 5 mil lol
golden loom
tired girder
so basically there is like 0 scenarios where you would ever want fan of knives choice node lol
earnest remnant
yup
tired girder
ive seen in pvp guides 3s they suggest fan of knives
which is odd
but pvp guides are pretty outdated for the most part
tired girder
heh i think i used it once or twice on queen kill when i was running my bomb out
#value
royal lantern
use that here and whispyr will hunt you down
brb using it
proven jasper
spice spire
guess I have to bind poisoned knife back <:PeepoHappy:915989666476458045>
I’m going to eat your ass
golden loom
jokes on you, I already have it bound for legacy content
tired girder
as i've learned today
spice spire
You have your ass being ate bound? Kinky
golden loom
I have that macrod into everything
subtle tundra
with 17% + 5% dmg
I mean it's not that straightforward, it also means you build more and finish less
Slightly
🙄
spice spire
I mean it's not that straightforward, it also means you build more and finish le...
Never try to finish less
Ya feel me
subtle tundra
Gooner grind
spice spire
Me next tier frfr
tired girder
deathmark makes me feel like you need the extra cp too
imagine playing without either cp node
golden loom
I already am used to playing with 5 combo points, 100 energy and 2 buttons
subtle tundra
You mean deathstalker?
tired girder
na that's vendetta bro
subtle tundra
No
yeah it definetly doesn't help having a hero talent that locks us into both cp nodes
earnest remnant
tired girder
ya i hope they change deathstalker at some point. hate juggling it on certain fights
subtle tundra
What if I don't want 6 or 7 cp
earnest remnant
then dont
earnest remnant
the fuck u talking about?
subtle tundra
Consuming mark
subtle tundra
Yeah but if I'm at 4
earnest remnant
then build
subtle tundra
And I mutilate
And you don't see my point?
What's the misunderstanding
Mutilating for 1 cp sucks
earnest remnant
we already do that for DN
subtle tundra
Same as mutilating at 6 for the 7th
earnest remnant
who the fuck cares
subtle tundra
And it sucks
subtle tundra
Does it not suck????
lusty kraken
do you guys actually mutilate for that 1 combo point? I sometimes just refresh garrote
spice spire
Yes
lusty kraken
assuming it's not improved garrote
subtle tundra
If it's pandemic or very close I do
subtle tundra
Whatever
subtle tundra
We will never unspec those points
earnest remnant
nah cuz they added 5% finisher dmg to em
subtle tundra
Still don't understand why you can't understand me
spice spire
nah cuz they added 5% finisher dmg to em
Finisher? Buddy I hardly know er!
earnest remnant
Still don't understand why you can't understand me
i understand you find it annoying to have to "waste" cps to build, but "locks" us into talents for extra cps isnt really the case since you make it sound like it doesent function without em
ionic fox
Atrophic poison is FLAT DR correct? Affects all mob abilities etc etc
golden loom
Atrophic poison is FLAT DR correct? Affects all mob abilities etc etc
not environment stuff
so theres some stuff that dont get reduced
subtle tundra
i understand you find it annoying to have to "waste" cps to build, but "locks" ...
I just dislike the 7th cp and would like the 6th to not be always picked
Talent trees suck
earnest remnant
bring back the linear trees ong
golden loom
but if you had 5 combo points, what if you crit on both daggers, or do 2x casts with no crit
then ur still on 4
proven jasper
golden loom
so u have to not crit, then only crit with 1 dagger
and then ur happy
remove seal fate and make all builders 1 combo point for ethical gameplay.
humble verge
sadge, i was gonna get into top 50 today on ovi but we wipe
astral plover
Do we use the speciel ring we got this patch next tier?
marble hemlock
forest garden
Is the tier bonus bad numerically or is it just boring?
forest garden
Well as long as they fix the four set issues I'm good I guess
vestal wren
the 4 set bonus seems especially bad ^^
hollow river
ive seen in pvp guides 3s they suggest fan of knives
That is correct.
cerulean nest
wait it's gonna be so tight when your super envenom gets parried
proper cosmos
Hello! Are we still ignored this week too?
fickle light
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clever sapphire
Hello! Are we still ignored this week too?
seeing as there were no blue posts about any spec, you could say we are ignored yes
but every spec got ignored this week in that way
forest garden
At this point it looks like all three specs are at the mercy of tuning passes
proper cosmos
seeing as there were no blue posts about any spec, you could say we are ignored ...
Thanks! Cya next week 🙂
spice spire
At this point it looks like all three specs are at the mercy of tuning passes
As god intended (every cycle)
forest garden
I'm sure one of them will be at least above average
prime hull
On a sub 2 minute fight is it better to 2 mins on pull with lust, or 2 mins in execute around 1:30?
vapid terrace
with lust im almost certain.
maiden sierra
we did it lads, from 1 line per patch notes to 0 lines 
spice spire
Gains
wispy viper
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flint tusk
wtf have blizzard literally forgotten that rogues exist?
lusty narwhal
Actually so lame to see
pliant remnant
What the fuck's a rogue?
prime hull
wtf have blizzard literally forgotten that rogues exist?
We are stealthed!
tropic jewel
grim plover
Time to go dh
burnt star
Wow.. is this for real
proper cosmos
Wow.. is this for real
this is for realz
onyx scroll
It has to be an office joke at this point "Oh shit someone has to actually work on rogue." "Eh we did that last year"
prime tide
Do they really dont have enough staff to fix all classes? Are they so poor? Increase subscription cost for rogues and hire a fking programmer pls
raven egret
wtf have blizzard literally forgotten that rogues exist?
idk why you surprised, we appear in like 1 out of every 10 blue updates only XD Business as usual!
burnt star
Look at fury warrior
Simming 3m
Receiving.more buff
Dh at least finaly got some love/fix. Hasnt had any for the whole s1
vapid terrace
put me on the bottom, still going to play Sin for life.
red schooner
proper cosmos
you can still pickpocket for gold
hollow river
thorn fox
I don't wanna play 2p+2p and have lower ilvl for part of the season
hollow river
4pc buff i think?
raven egret
meh, still a rng fest of rng, hate that 4pc design for our spec
tranquil cobalt
I didn't see those notes in the recent tuning?
spice surge
4pc buff i think?
It was already 50%, just tooltip was wrong
thorn fox
The 4pce change is a tool tip change
raven egret
I didn't see those notes in the recent tuning?
thats datamined we aint in the note
hollow river
It was already 50%, just tooltip was wrong
welp that sucks 
raven egret
just a tooltip yeah
tranquil cobalt
I am shocked another tuning pass for tier sets and nothing for our 4pc.
We will be getting our 4pc after tanks and healers this tier gents LOL
hollow river
just play sub and you'll have top prio on tier
indigo mulch
I can tell you that there is no way they will leave it at 0.4% or w/e it was.
hollow river
if nothing changes that is 
indigo mulch
100%, they will buff it.
hollow river
it's likely yeah
indigo mulch
I mean i'm pretty sure blizzard has some checks or something. They will never let a 4p set be 0.5%. Throughout wow's history i don't think there has ever been a dps set that was 0.5% like modern wow history that is.
pure bridge
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but on release of this expansion our 4 piece was essentially a 0% gain in ST right? I was dead last in loot priority.
spice spire
Ye it got GIGA buffed on its uptime
indigo mulch
I mean on every launch everything is kind of wonky anyway.
Even if its super low %, they will always 100% buff it.
Even if it gets released at a horrible state.
raven egret
I mean they can buff whatever they want, its still way too rng for a burst oriented spec
4s of max stacks, have fun getting that when you need it XD
grand trail
pure bridge
This can be like 10.1 when I look at the top assassination parses and see they somehow got back to back Call to Suffering Procs on top of their enchant procs in their cds. RNG is just something we have to accept at this point.
spice surge
Thats been wow for the past 15 years
waxen field
even dh got buffed and we don't have a line 
tranquil cobalt
Its just trolling at this point right. Like they have to know the 4pc is bad
tulip tiger
!haste
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
whole snow
What if they just giga buff fatebound for assa and call it a day
wise socket
atleast we would not have to play with thatt aids mark that keep disapearing for no reason
whole snow
Is there something new?
hollow river
did we just get an aura buff?
Outlaw did
whole snow
Outlaw did lol
indigo mulch
I've been away from wow for to long, did they need a 5%er?
runic hinge
Oh shit. Is it slow mode over there yet
winged quail
it's in the blue post just not on the wowhead blue post
winged quail
very true
gilded dune
it's in the blue post just not on the wowhead blue post
ty !
whole snow
When I chose rogue for my split alt I wasn’t expecting it to be this genuinely over next tier lol
indigo mulch
Aren't we just below middle of the pack right now? Atleast acording to Whispy.
winged quail
just play sub it's chilling
indigo mulch
And that's with a broken 4p
runic hinge
outlaw aura buff = less yellow names in here
vapid terrace
just play sub it's chilling
my brain too small
indigo mulch
Yes because sims are always representend as the defecto best right?
whole snow
No but an 800k dps difference is still notable
lethal heart
vapid terrace
There are several specs simming over 3 m
where are you seeing these sims? just on all the discords or is there a list somewhere im not finding
spice surge
Take any PTR sim you see with a bucket of salt (ie not a grain)
indigo mulch
But even if a spec sims over 3mil they might be crippled by different mechanics in the raid, thats what i mean by sims high = best is not really always applicable.
balmy condor
If a spec sims over 3 mil rn you stack 8 of them in your raid regardless of mechanics lmao
Boss fights are like 98% uptime these days
winged quail
If a spec sims over 3 mil rn you stack 8 of them in your raid regardless of mech...
If a spec *deals over 3 mil
I don't trust these sim fuckers
balmy condor
I can’t think of a boss where it’s like oh can’t play a warlock on that because there’s the anti-warlock curse that gets cast
That’s just not a thing
royal lantern
No but an 800k dps difference is still notable
assassination is historically 1 of the specs that always sims on the lower side in raw numbers
and you cant tell me that you would say assa is bad rn in the raid lol
never look or compare sim numbers bettwen specs/classes, thats not what sims are for
whole snow
No but other classes have received gigantic buffs or crazy tier sets
onyx scroll
I think Whispyr just lies on our sims so no one notices and we don't get nerfed
jokes on him, no one at blizzard works on rogue anyway
runic hinge
I do not
royal lantern
allright, and if they are crazy overtuned they get the nerf sledgehammer in the first 2-3 weeks of a patch, the same thing that happens since the dawn of time 
like, thats nothing new lol
you really think that sub tierset will stay as ~25% and assa 4set as 0,6% as an examaple?
runic hinge
Yes
Blizzard never tunes
We’re back to 2007
Tuning on patch day and then never again until the next large patch
royal lantern
just idk man, why do people make such a fuzz about early numbers every single patch
runic hinge
Cause they have goldfish brain
royal lantern
when we had more or less no patch ever where the "omg they are so OP look at them" specs at the starts actually stayed that way for a long time
like, we went from "resto shaman and guardian druid are giga op and you NEED them for m+!!!" to disc priest+prot pala everywhere
we went from "frost dk is the best spec at everything" to frost dk only getting the flex spot
lusty narwhal
Enh says hi
royal lantern
Enh says hi
enh is funny cus its a spec that people sleep on all the time
enh is dumb strong for ages now
but it took literally years for many peeps to wake up to that lol
spice surge
Enh says hi
Well enhance did get a mini rework in the .5 patch 
royal lantern
^ that aswell
runic hinge
I remember when we got our mini rework in the .5 patch
spice surge
We did get good stuff in .5
proper holly
does anyone have a WA that tracks Sudden Demise damage?
i cant find anything on wago
midnight arrow
not worth tracking cause it does 0 damage
pliant remnant
bright cipher
I can’t think of a boss where it’s like oh can’t play a warlock on that because ...
i can guarantee that warlocks aren't doign 3m
but yeah, the specs would rly need to stink to drop a warlock
fading iron
Hey guys 🙂 I was wondering if anyone knew what two trinkets are currently looking like BiS for assa on PTR/season 2 For single target/in general?
pure star
worldly sail
balmy condor
https://x.com/PublikPriest/status/1889820641551171776?s=19
okay but petko list?
normal mist
Surely not as good
balmy condor
but...petko list....
normal mist
You have to let him go...
gentle flower
for assassin what embelishment should we be getting at max ilvl?
balmy condor
Ascendance/writhing band or double dawn thread
covert lintel
THANK YOU
balmy condor
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balmy condor
Can see embellishments here
bright charm
WoW if it was good
pure star
WoW if it was good
what you mean? this is a verified tier list
sage pagoda
Actually, I really want to ask, does our Shadow Blade have a designer?
bright charm
it certainly doesn't feel like if it does
spice surge
If we have a wow developer as a shadow blade? No
Nor do we have direct contact with them
nocturne quail
rip realz
i swapped to rogue bitd partly bc i thought it was sick the dev was in the community
spice surge
He occasionally drops by, but not much compared to the 10.2 rework era
nocturne quail
im glad i swapped regardless tho sick class
gilded dune
we probably scared Realz away tbf 
spice surge
Need a D.A.R.E program type shit to prevent people from going in there
lean plover
The problem is online+anonymous, no real consequences for saying stuff, so some people can be...a bit harsh
Didnt he lurk here a bit with the .5 changes?
buoyant herald
You can probably search for his posts and see what input he’s had here recently
Or not that recently as the case may be
gilded dune
for s1 assa aoe in keys (just trying out for first time) I'm confused when I should used 2nd vanish cd. I know I want to use it right before deathmark to get garrotes, but should I be reapplying again if there's like 10 mobs that will live the next 20 seconds?
apply again during kingsbane* what I meant
I think I'm inclined to believe it's best to hold 2nd vanish for a chain pull
bronze pike
Didnt he lurk here a bit with the .5 changes?
he lurks
and chimes in to clarify things every now and then
in both here and fh
like people stated. alot of people are cringe when a dev shows up and that kinda hurts the window of communication. granted the reason why hes not around is more due to outside forces beyond this discord
so w/e
lean plover
Whats the reason lol? Now im curious
subtle kiln
Death threats
bronze pike
that
and sod/customer service devs did some things on twitter so now theres a gag order on majority of public interactions
honest ether
shadowstep on ansurek intermission put you outside of the kill circle?
spice surge
yes
stark halo
Are we going in the dump for outlaw next season? It really seems like we got no love
balmy condor
Ask again in a month
stark halo
I figured we’d get better as stats start to inflate
snow hamlet
Play what you love
balmy condor
What
marble hemlock
what if theres nothing to love
subtle kiln
Remember Kevin then
silk sundial
Hey so on mythic court I know if you cloak pre web pull, you don't get a web. If you have a web in p3, can you cloak the dmg without breaking it?
marble hemlock
no
(im like 99% sure of it)
if you immune while you carry a web, you lose the web
happened to our ret earlier when they bubbled, i presume its the same with cloak
balmy condor
what if theres nothing to love
What if stat inflation was a hentai category all along
marble hemlock
googling "scaling" rule34 as we speak
balmy condor
tall atlas
shadowstep on ansurek intermission put you outside of the kill circle?
Really?!?
It used to put you inside
marble hemlock
think it did for like a day or two at most
balmy condor
Nah
sullen hollow
it never did
balmy condor
People were just stepping from melee range
marble hemlock
then whoever argued with me back then was wrong
sullen hollow
People were just stepping from melee range
this
tall atlas
Honestly I feel like it killed you before
balmy condor
but i also ran a tiny bit away
Yeah that’s the diff
People just sat 2cm away from it and stepped and went “step killed me”
tall atlas
Maybe I was holding w and ran straight in or something
balmy condor
But with a bit of range it never did
tall atlas
Honestly I was watching your stream last night and thought you had a fucking step macro to the hunter pets or something
sullen hollow
lmao
the only step macro that could be worth anything on queen, would be stepping to only friendly targets, but you dont even need this anymore, because the boss just dies
but early prog i used a friendly step macro to get over the ring
sullen hollow
best of luck, shes really easy now :p
18% damage and healing
the ring
idk how many pulls you guys have
but as soon as you sort p1 and the portals in p2 she just dies
tall atlas
Like 200 after tonight
We got to the last platform tonight portals are seeming good just about getting all 20 up now
outer sedge
how do i get my ambush off for the single target build when raiding
i always try to shadowstep before boss pulls aggro but sometimes i just get lose my stealth before i can ambush boss
sullen hollow
are you autoattacking before using ambush?
by default if you right click the target prepull you will auto attack first thing
and dont shadowstep the boss, definitely not before aggro
just stay close but not closer than tanks and ambush
balmy condor
Yeah usually that’s like an issue on ansurek because you’re a million miles away and the first tick of the raidwide damage pulls you out of stealth
outer sedge
yeah i was about to say with queen thats where i mainly have the problem
sullen hollow
just run her up when she gets pulled
sullen hollow
tanks most likely taunt her
so you just run up closer before pulltimer and hit ambush as she passes you
dont shadowstep her untill after ambush
sullen hollow
It is definitely a factor of being slow
just ambush as she runs past you
And shadowstep if she outruns you
dont initiate with step
slate crown
You’re just slow
now that's just rude
outer sedge
yeah i'd like to submit a report on whispyr being rude
slate crown
you're welcome to try but it won't do anything
outer sedge
lol im just messing
runic hinge
You can submit it Reddit.com
balmy condor
ill show vod if you think i was just slow
Yeah daddy?
Gonna show me your big fast vod?
sullen hollow
:)))))))))
honest ether
is assas just bad on queen? I feel like I did pretty much everything rotation wise correct but still ended kill at 1.4m? Like I don't understand at all
sullen hollow
theres lots of situational things and most people play crimson tempest to pad logs
honest ether
i used CT aswell but only to kill adds and shit
undone shale
@shy grail why am i here
honest ether
is there something they are doing with it thats different?
sullen hollow
then 1.4m is really bad yea, there must be something you are doing wrong
and i cannot really tell you without logs
honest ether
can i link the log?
honest ether
sullen hollow
i can already see you you use your vanish wrong
in the first 25-30seconds of your opener you are using vanish outside of the last 6 seconds of your kb
correct that and that will give you a lot of damage
oh wait
my bad
you are playing CT
forget what i said lol
sullen hollow
also on platforms
honest ether
so i figured isnt really any use in MA?
sullen hollow
i wouldnt really send cds except for kb and shivs
sullen hollow
so i figured isnt really any use in MA?
correct
honest ether
alright
sullen hollow
focus on getting spatter+ crimson tempest going
tricks the tank and cd the spider whilst on runup
then into rupture shiv kb mut and envenom
on second platform this is
and try to save ctw for aoe situations
outer sedge
do you hold both of ur shivs until kb is back up or do you pop shiv when its available?
sullen hollow
and always have cb for crimson tempest instantly when they spawn in p3
sullen hollow
do you hold both of ur shivs until kb is back up or do you pop shiv when its ava...
hold both
honest ether
i normally hold both till KB
sullen hollow
always
outer sedge
okay thanks
sullen hollow
and use adds in p3 to funnel into boss after getting ct going
honest ether
i was doing that with CT
but they die more or less instantly before they get anywhere near boss
for spatter
unless its range is huge? idk
sullen hollow
my spatter barely hit them in our last kill and i was doing something round 1.8mil
on the fight
everyone is giga padding on adds to get high logs its pretty hard to as rogue if you got warriors enha shamans and dhs just instantly killing it
honest ether
hmm alrighty
sullen hollow
but dont waste time on sending deathmark in platform 2
or even caring about garrote
just get a any rupture on target
honest ether
would you rip immediately p3?
sullen hollow
i mean it depends
balmy condor
i was doing that with CT
Are you assigned to play CT or something
honest ether
no but they arent giving me any way to break webs
sullen hollow
we have it on 32% or something when we enter p3
honest ether
so i have to use vanish/CoS to break last 2
first 1 i have to just yolo and hope the melee kill it
sullen hollow
no but they arent giving me any way to break webs
the only one you need help with is 3rd
if you play full st
you vanish your second shiv when it hits
then you cloak 2nd
and get broken out on 3rd
honest ether
i can ask them again next week if they have anything extra they can do
sullen hollow
just stand in the boss hitbox
balmy condor
I mean I’m gonna be honest if you’re having web trouble CT won’t help
honest ether
CT isnt for the webs
sullen hollow
ppl legit only play CT to pad
honest ether
its just used since I am forced to break with vanish on web 2
ill try just the ST build next week and see how that goes
balmy condor
That makes no sense
sullen hollow
dont use it to break second web
honest ether
and have them break on third
honest ether
yeah
balmy condor
Yeh vanish first web with a normal opener and just stand in melee for 2/3 and cloak the missing one
Whatever lineup feels more comfortable
honest ether
alright ill do that next week for sure
sullen hollow
so you can run your webdrops into the webs
balmy condor
What’s cloak do in intermission
sullen hollow
What’s cloak do in intermission
immune to the floorshit
you wanna create space for your mates still
balmy condor
I mean just evasion
balmy condor
Not even remotely what
honest ether
reduces magic dmg by 20%
sullen hollow
like i run the 2nd wrest far out in the deep shit
balmy condor
I don’t even go below half lmao
sullen hollow
idk are you 4 healing
balmy condor
Ofc
sullen hollow
i run that shit out with cloak because where else to use cloak
and the most stressful situation for our healers is intermission
i mean we been killing the boss since week 9
unreal parcel
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balmy condor
Yeh I guess
3 heal probably safe to cloak
We skip second ring easily with 4 so no reason to drop a healer
sullen hollow
we defo skip second ring too XD
sullen hollow
even before we went 3 heal
balmy condor
That’ll do it 
honest ether
jesus lmao
appreciate the help tho!
ill def try doing that for next weeks kill and see what happens lol
sullen hollow
but really you need to let your team let you pad also
for good logs
if everyone is trying
its hard
honest ether
am trialing for a guild rn and they want me to be doing more dmg on silken/queen
so trying to as best i can
gentle flower
yo
i havent played rogue in like 2 expansions
There was a macro for ambush that prevents mistakes in changing phases from invis to not invis etc
for latency
idr what it is though
nvm found it it was a sub macro
#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab
runic hinge
You’re welcome
gentle flower
Ik its a sub macro but its useful for assasination too well its useful when/where ever ambush/main ability is being used
golden loom
Ik its a sub macro but its useful for assasination too well its useful when/wher...
Think most people here just have Ambush in the place of Mutilate on their stealth bar, because the only time you care about ambushing is as your first global from stealth to proc deathstalkers mark (hero talent). Outside of that both abilites are functionally the same and even when you vanish during cooldowns you are not pressing ambush unless you have lost mark for some weird reason 🙂
gentle flower
Think most people here just have Ambush in the place of Mutilate on their stealt...
https://i.imgur.com/u1Ig18H.jpeg this is the explenation
the macro will make sure that you're using ambush instead of mutilate in invis
golden loom
yeah but the difference between shadowstrike and backstab actually matters
ambush/mutilate are the same
balmy condor
for latency
Funnily enough it doesn’t do anything to prevent latency
The macro does the same thing that the bar would do anyway
brazen sluice
any1 knows how do u know if u have hall of fame?
like is it guild achievment or player or both?
subtle tundra
guild achievement
keen pecan
rotund oak
bro's a rock star
Guy has the best radio voice ever
many charismatic ppl on this sacred discord
cerulean walrus
runic hinge
slate crown
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vl...
I should be collecting royalties on that gif god damn
cerulean walrus
pliant remnant
subtle tundra
zenith elm
Still not any change/buff ? ☠️
runic hinge
come back on patch day
zenith elm
True
rotund oak
https://imgur.com/E9Ub5Kt
dawn seal
does anyone have the sim of siren isle ring to other rings in s2
dawn seal
yeah its just that I was trying help my friends plan their s2 plans
they just keep saying dont trust sims ring is not good
buoyant herald
uh ok
golden loom
the fk do they mean its not good 
buoyant herald
they didn't logic their way there, you're not going to logic them out
bitter solar
Ask them why. They won't be able to provide context as to why
dawn seal
yeah like
golden loom
like okay maybe its bad if (when) it gets nerfed but thats not something we know about yet
dawn seal
they are saying blizzard said they wont make the mistake as they did on df
OH OKAY SO BLIZZARD DOES EVERYTHING THEY SAY
dawn seal
they say it cant be that good they wont nerf it I love coupium
cedar iron
Why nerf it before anyone uses it? Sucked in df aswell
hollow river
they just keep saying dont trust sims ring is not good
that sounds.. bonkers
bitter solar
He's not wrong
hollow river
trust sims until they nerf it (if they do)
cedar iron
It's from a 07 patch
golden loom
I mean if they dont nerf it then its just bis the entire patch
subtle tundra
they just keep saying dont trust sims ring is not good
what the fuck does that mean
cedar iron
We had it for like 2 weeks at max ilvl atp
buoyant herald
it means they're haters
bitter solar
But just put whatever ring he likes the colour of in his list for season 2 and move on. You're not going to win
dawn seal
quotoe "at times they are highly in accurate, doesn't mean that its not a good idea to sim but there could be something causing the ring to sim higher then it should be"
doesnt that mean
golden loom
I mean I hope your friends are right and they dont nerf it, means I have an item slot completed before patch releases
hollow river
highly inaccurate is a wild stretch
dawn seal
unless something is fixed
cedar iron
quotoe "at times they are highly in accurate, doesn't mean that its not a good...
There could also be something that makes int Sim bad for warriors
dawn seal
and like its literally the case rn
but isnt the ring just regardless of class
better
for everyone
right now
hollow river
yes
cedar iron
If you don't like the stats it won't be bis s2, see subrogue
hollow river
you could fairly easily test 5 mins on a dummy with and without the ring and see the difference in damage
dawn seal
hmmm
lemme run sim
can sims be innacurate if u sim correctly
I dont know how they work
isnt it depend how the game is
dawn seal
yeah
subtle tundra
pretty darn accurately
cedar iron
Depends on the apl, rogue Sims are pretty good some other classes have more inaccurate numbers
golden loom
why would sub not like circlet
cedar iron
why would sub not like circlet
It's good rn but not in full bis s2 gear
dawn seal
aint no way ring is close to good u lose 5k stamina and myth 6/6 rings give 8k stats total
subtle tundra
ask them how much dps 1k stamina is
cedar iron
Arguing might be pointless 
dawn seal
yea
golden loom
well if 5k stamina makes you live then its infinite dps gain
subtle tundra
also what the heck do they mean by... making a plan
you just open the game and game
you raid whenever the raid days are
and do m+
balmy condor
quotoe "at times they are highly in accurate, doesn't mean that its not a good...
yeah so like, if they think the ring is simming wrong
prove it
it's on them to prove that it's wrong
dawn seal
yeahh
balmy condor
no on us to prove that it's right
subtle tundra
he saw that in a dream
cedar iron
But there's one log where someone without ring did 10 more dps, Sim must be wrong
dawn seal
makes or breaks a key
isnt that mean u fucked up a mechanic
rosomefin
and didnt pop defensive
to be live with extra 100k life
I heard hp pool is like 15million
or somefin
subtle tundra
you cant look at it that way, not how it works in practice
theres 10 billion random things
in m+
subtle tundra
m+ is too dynamic
hollow river
to be live with extra 100k life
100k hp compared to a decent chunk of extra damage sounds not worth
cedar iron
It really is time for new content
fresh kelp
guys how do i meet women
valentine's day + content drought is a tough combination
clever sapphire
im gonna go bouldering, either gym gonna be empty or its gonna be full with loners
either way its a win for me
subtle tundra
fuck i need to go bouldering but im scared of going alone
clever sapphire
dont be scared
community is real nice
you can ask whoever and you will get help
subtle tundra
https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652
dawn seal
100k hp compared to a decent chunk of extra damage sounds not worth
what is bouldering
hollow river
what is bouldering
rock climbing walls i think
dawn seal
ohh
lofty junco
without any m+ or raid gear, should i keep the catalyst stacks, or use them on that 584 island gear?
dawn seal
I would say just keep it
do some 7's and use it on that one
if u wanna feel like using em
u have 8
lofty junco
do some 7's and use it on that one
do i even get into m+ with 586 ilvl? or should i start tiering up delves to tier 8 and then use bountifull keys first?
dawn seal
yeee I think u can do 8 delves first
dawn seal
ohh
clever sapphire
its like a video game irl lul
dawn seal
ooo
clever sapphire
so ye, i just do it because the regular gym is just like a chore to me
and i do need to move around a bit
clever sapphire
i mean, i would say that pugging kyveza has a higher chance of success than pugging ovinax
dawn seal
yee eggs are not popped jump off
clever sapphire
i could be wrong tho
subtle tundra
without any m+ or raid gear, should i keep the catalyst stacks, or use them on t...
they will become useless in 2 weeks
willow wren
clever sapphire
patch notes: No Changes
clever sapphire
what do we think about pugging mythic ovinax
back to this, if you have a proper raidlead thats placing markers and the people already did the fight, i guess its doable?
dawn seal
lofty junco
they will become useless in 2 weeks
guess i will keep them and use them for best gear before next patch
sullen mural
<:peepoSleepy:639322027999625226>
Yo 1 rotation change tho huge
willow wren
What change...
earnest remnant
dry shiv baby
earnest remnant
not in execute
during lingering darkness
or w/e the fuck the hero talent node is called
willow wren
o
subtle tundra
or w/e the fuck the hero talent node is called
fingering darkness
polar sleet
Make rogue great again
lofty junco
I forgot season ends in 2 weeks
what tierset slot is the least needed one?
clever sapphire
doesnt matter really afaik
since your stats are all around the place anyways
you take the 4 you have and call it a day
i even catalysted the last piece to get the myth track set mog, didnt even sim for it
lofty junco
whats the season 1 delvers journey?
hot fulcrum
whats the season 1 delvers journey?
you can open window with keys and there will be Delves tab. On top of it there will be a progress line
this progress is splited by small sections and each has own reward
lofty junco
you can open window with keys and there will be Delves tab. On top of it there w...
the keys for bountifull chests?
hot fulcrum
the keys for bountifull chests?
no, window that is opened by I key where you can see LFG etc. And there will be Delves tab
soft surge
dawn seal
aint no way
huh
the reason I dont believe tierlists
what makes aug S and everyone else on A an A
isnt dh ialso bonkers
atm
vdh
novel star
cause it’s aug
novel star
🤏
golden loom
kush has also been making a different tier list every day
dawn seal
I think some classes are up on the ladder cuz of the bugs
golden loom
one day he had sin and sub at the top with a text saying something like "how high were the devs to make these classes this broken"
dawn seal
they got
golden loom
I mean making a tier list atm makes no sense and should not be taken serious
spice spire
I mean making a tier list atm makes no sense and should not be taken serious
Atm unnecessary
agile wedge
those lists are one of the reason, people being so stupid when picking players for their mplus groups
dawn seal
ye
indigo mulch
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ionic hill
I was looking for the Rogue section for 10 minutes before I realized we went from 1 spec per week to not even being included anymore
fresh kelp
I was looking for the Rogue section for 10 minutes before I realized we went fro...
there was an outlaw aura buff in the actual bluepost, wowhead just didn't copy paste it properly
ionic hill
yeah but its
clever sapphire
I was looking for the Rogue section for 10 minutes before I realized we went fro...
1 spec per week? i dont remember reading anything besides outlaw changes (and there were like 3 of those in total)
ionic hill
outlaw 
ionic hill
I'm malding rn
I genuinely started to believe because rogue is the least played class they're like getting no feedback at all at least from a significant number of people
clever sapphire
i dont even remember what our tset does
ionic hill
😭
lusty kraken
tier set just gives you more mastery
clever sapphire
I would buff envenom damage by %100
uhm no thanks, how about my bleed spec does dmg with its bleeds and not with envenom
clever sapphire
tier set just gives you more mastery
well ye thats how i remember the last 3 tiersets aswell
ionic hill
this one size fits all approach to tier sets feels so wrong idk
dawn seal
huh
golden loom
this one size fits all approach to tier sets feels so wrong idk
I mean its not really like any spec had cool tier before so might aswell try something "new", even if melee classes got the short end of the stick
ionic hill
I mean its not really like any spec had cool tier before so might aswell try som...
kinda wish they would do something with zoldyck
golden loom
I meant season 1 tier
balmy condor
Well yeah but they purposely make s1 tier bland and they warn us of that every expac
Dragonflight they didn’t want tier to take away from talent rework
Tww they didn’t want it to take away from hero talents
ionic hill
Whispyr, how is sub looking?
wild thorn
ill play sin if sub isnt overly better
ionic hill
I think they are getting gloom back
ionic hill
ill play sin if sub isnt overly better
same
balmy condor
I’ll play sin because I don’t play at a top 20 level
ionic hill
sin feels infinitely more fun especially since they got done with that dance era
subtle tundra
outlaw doesnt categorize as rogue
wild thorn
i finally found a class that i like so i wanna try sub too
this is my first season anyway
ionic hill
balmy condor
What is this yap
wild thorn
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
ionic hill
manual slice and dice too
golden loom
fuck slice and dice
wild thorn
does the ovi egg sim with the optimal stacks or
ionic hill
feels weird its still a button though never used
balmy condor
does the ovi egg sim with the optimal stacks or
Yes
ionic hill
I wonder if they plan on doing anything with it
balmy condor
I’m ngl I’d rather press snd than envenom for the 652 millionth time in a row because we live in a world where energy is a fake resource
balmy condor
Wouldn’t you want to play with sub in that case
balmy condor
Seems like a mindset problem on your part
indigo mulch
So i'm curious, are there really no rotational changes for 11.1 at all? D:
I've been away from wow for ages.
wild thorn
the dry shiv ig
humble verge
DRY SHIVING WHAT
dawn seal
to get a fat envemo
indigo mulch
All i can think of is dry humping. What's dry shiving?
dawn seal
darkest night
balmy condor
Anyone ever read the pins
humble verge
or
balmy condor
Just me?
humble verge
no
dawn seal
check pins
humble verge
i cant read
dawn seal
uberscot
indigo mulch
I'm sorry Whisp 😦
balmy condor
Ty
indigo mulch
I mean, i did read it. I just didn't believe it 😦
Dry shiving sounds like fun tbh, big number brain goes = wow fun
chilly mist
Is that shiv change with double shiv something we do now or only with season 2 changes?
dawn seal
in new season
chilly mist
aighty, whats causing it to be worth doing after the changes? We already do it in m+ with single shiv right now
cool
golden loom
gear getting better = more envenom damage boom bam
balmy condor
More gear, more envenom damage from tier, trinkets giving guaranteed stats during that time period to begin with
Eye of kezan is wild
balmy condor
Yeh
golden loom
guess champ track is fine anyways
indigo mulch
Im sure its insane for everyone then :C
balmy condor
It is
golden loom
6/6 champ feels way better than 6/6 heroic cause u have to waste gilded crests
balmy condor
Well not for int users cause they have a delve trinket or something that’s giving them 18% vers for 20 seconds on a 1 min cooldown
Which ret pally is using I think
Or shamans
Cause it just requires you have mana
chilly mist
do we know if current delve items will be scaled for s2? Really dont want to be farm it again
indigo mulch
So since i've been away for so long, has there been any raid testing of the new raid yet?
balmy condor
Yep
indigo mulch
I'm curious if its horrible for us or not
golden loom
btw the music that leaked from gallywix fucking SLAPS
indigo mulch
Like Nymue 😦