assassination

[final star]

Is he right

am I playing wrong

[balmy condor]

I ain't reading that

[final star]

Assassination still pools energy if you’re playing correctly around envenom uptime, outside of Deathmark windows that is.

Outside of cooldowns you pool energy until either your envenom is about to run out or you are close to capping, unless Darkest Night is active at which point you want to spend it asap.

[warm vortex]

You literally write guides

[final star]

tl;dr complete

[shy creek]

that dont mean he gotta read em

[warm vortex]

Makes sense when you see his streams

Jk love you

[subtle tundra]

energy management

[final star]

[balmy condor]

I mean he's correct by margin of technicality

[final star]

I be pressing mut like a mf

[balmy condor]

cause like sure okay without twist the knife yes you might have to do that a little and gain 0.3 or 0.4% poggers

but the moment you talent twist you can throw it out the window

[golden loom]

I spam to hear my character say "I need more energy", we are not the same

[subtle tundra]

i spam so i autoproc tea, we are not the same

its a protest

[warm vortex]

Blud burnt through all 3 teas

Who autodrinks tea anyway

[bronze pike]

I spam cause I have no idea what the fuck I’m doing on this godforshaken spec

[warm vortex]

Like that ruins it

[bronze pike]

We are not the same

[final star]

ctrl+s

[warm vortex]

Me whenever I play outlaw

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1269945110586589295.webp?size=80&animated=true

[balmy condor]

like when I say "pooling is dead" it's not really DEAD, it's just on life support and probably not reasonable to play around

[warm vortex]

Tbh

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

sims still have like 10 lines of pooling logic

[final star]

just press button get more marks out poggers moment

[warm vortex]

I’m so autistic that I take what you say literally

[balmy condor]

cause removing it is bad

[warm vortex]

So I genuinely sometimes think I should never pool

Cause your lie

*like

[balmy condor]

but the difference between pooling perfectly

and not pooling at all

[subtle tundra]

woah youre losing .2%

gg

[balmy condor]

is so marginal that who gives a fuck

[warm vortex]

“You now have enough energy in st to press envenom constantly without stopping”

Tbh if all else fails I do have some words to live by

[balmy condor]

and yeah that reddit fuck face can go ahead and say OH BUT LOOK THE SIM AND THERES RULES AND YOU HAVE TO OR ELSE AND IT FEELS SO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[balmy condor]

but just shut the fuck up man

[warm vortex]

I remember getting downvoted for saying assassin doesn’t need restealth

[final star]

Man I woulda got r1 if I had pooled for sure

[balmy condor]

oh I logged into my reddit account to death threats cause of restealths

redditors are just animals

[hearty reef]

Cant you just write on guide "pool for cooldowns" ?

[balmy condor]

yeah for sure

[warm vortex]

Go to r/conseratvie
Die

[balmy condor]

why would I do that

[final star]

I only rank 17 cos I didn't pool

[warm vortex]

Whispyr isn’t a guide writer?

[final star]

[warm vortex]

He is a professional yapper

[hearty reef]

Dunno, just to discourage this kind of misunderstandings

[final star]

I woulda got r1 if I didn't macro tea to shiv guys!!

[warm vortex]

People will always misunderstand

[balmy condor]

by creating more?

[subtle tundra]

you can r1 these 🥜

[warm vortex]

[final star]

imagine if I didn't feint 9 times too!!!

[subtle tundra]

why the fuck would you ever feint

its a dps loss

-> i dont

[balmy condor]

I'm replacing a technicality of "it doesn't matter so I'm gonna say its dead"

with something that's just wrong

why would I do that

[warm vortex]

Because why not

[balmy condor]

yeh just make guide worse for fun

[final star]

Deleted 21M damage with feint

[hearty reef]

Wait thats wrong?

[final star]

[balmy condor]

troll my own guide

[warm vortex]

I think whyspir is tired

[balmy condor]

yeah? who told you to pool before cds

you have tea

what are we doing

[warm vortex]

But you shiv with tea no?

[final star]

you can send tea on cd

[warm vortex]

Or is this like

[subtle tundra]

y-your mom

[warm vortex]

Raid st

[final star]

and you always have it

cos it's a 1m cd

so it lines up naturally every time

[balmy condor]

insane technology mr kpb

[final star]

tyty

[warm vortex]

Cause in M+ ST wouldn’t you pool before CDs?

[warm vortex]

Or am I restarted

[rotund idol]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[balmy condor]

we just went over this

[warm vortex]

Yes but you shiv halfway through KB no?

[balmy condor]

and?

[warm vortex]

And you bind tea to shiv?

[golden loom]

If you use cds on cd they are up again when cd ends

[balmy condor]

and?

[final star]

if you press button 1m apart

and cd on tea is 1m

[warm vortex]

Yes that’s true, so do you only mash envenom through the second part of KB?

[final star]

[balmy condor]

what

[golden loom]

What are we cooking in the kitchen

[balmy condor]

why are we overthinking this

what is there to overthink

[bronze pike]

Yall thinking about this to hard

[hearty reef]

For fun

[bronze pike]

Fucking whispery

Taking my thunder

[balmy condor]

this spec is literally the antithesis of thinking

[bronze pike]

Press buttons in order

Profit

[warm vortex]

I thought you shiv halfway through KB in M+ ST tho right

[balmy condor]

and y'all will think about it until you die

you do

[warm vortex]

Ok
So you mash envenom in the 2nd part of KB but not the first
Because you don’t have energy in the first part

[balmy condor]

you still mash

[golden loom]

You probabaly auto-use any teas that happen to be up before that if they are up and it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

you just mash 0 energy

[bronze pike]

Imma say something cursed

[warm vortex]

Oh

[bronze pike]

Sin rn is like sl ret

[balmy condor]

?????????????

the fuck do you mean "oh"

sins core gameplay is mashing envenom 24/7

that's the entire spec atm

we're desyncing shivs with our cds next patch cause it's just all envenom

where did this get lost in translation

[bronze pike]

Dont be mean to vend >:(

[warm vortex]

How do you mash with 0 energy tho? I’m confused

[golden loom]

You are 0 energy cause you keep mashing

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna lose it

[bronze pike]

You mash until 0

If you have energy

U mash venom

[golden loom]

And on 0, you keep clicking those buttons

[warm vortex]

Ok yea
But then you can mash immediately after until the shiv

[warm vortex]

But what if you can’t do it because your at 0
Your just mashing for no reason

[balmy condor]

yeah but you'll have energy again in 2 seconds

[golden loom]

Yeah? And when you regen energy it goes off

Just click

[balmy condor]

envenom lasts 5-7 seconds

[bronze pike]

Sin is cursed

[golden loom]

Also keeps apm up and i love hearing my keyboard clickity clack

[bronze pike]

Your just mashing if you have energy

[hearty reef]

Ehispyr never pools a bit before the single kb?

[balmy condor]

no?

[warm vortex]

Ok yes that makes sense
What I was thinking you meant is you literally constantly mash and you’d somehow have energy for it in the first part of KB

[bronze pike]

I figured

[warm vortex]

Tbh non DM kingsbane isn’t that big apparently so idk

[bronze pike]

Cause autisim brainge

Like me

[final star]

why would you pool when you always have a tea in ur cd

[bronze pike]

What if

I auto proc it

[hearty reef]

Cause just one tea is two muti

[bronze pike]

What then

6head

[final star]

IT'S A ONBE MINUTE COOLDOWN

[hearty reef]

[final star]

IT COMES UP DURING CD'S EVERY TIME

[bronze pike]

What if I auto proc it before my cds

[balmy condor]

kpb you have no idea how often we have to have this conversation

[warm vortex]

Yea you can’t auto proc tea if you don’t have tea

[bronze pike]

Check make liberal

[hearty reef]

I know?

[final star]

This is insane

[hearty reef]

Bro is venting

[warm vortex]

That’s why you bind it to shiv

[balmy condor]

this concept is literally not english in this channel

[bronze pike]

Es en espanol

Puta

[midnight mist]

thats still a lie in m+ tbf

its very easy to proc it before cds

[warm vortex]

Because if you use shiv off CD (and tea by extension) it’s always on CD
Like what KPB said 2 seconds ago

[midnight mist]

[bronze pike]

[hearty reef]

Get em zac

[bronze pike]

That u might be doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

we live in a world where my opener KB is doing as much as a single envenom

why do we give a shit about kingsbane

[royal lantern]

those are always weird

like, you have some things that are actually correct and you agree with

and then 80% of the other comments are always WTF ITS SO GIGA COMPLICATED AND HAS TOO MANY BUTTONS AND NO KDY CAN EVER PLAY IT AND THEY NEED TO MAKE ROGUE MORE SIMPLE OMG

and im sitting there confused what even can be seen as "button bloat" anymore, assa/sub have 4 rotational buttons (sub 3 lol) and then cds that are very static in their usage and get used togheter on CD

what can you make MORE simple? removing rupture??

[midnight mist]

mister whispar

[hearty reef]

Cause it's fun to pretend you cooldown does dmg

[midnight mist]

i have question

[balmy condor]

like do you think you missing 2 seconds of envenom uptime on your non-dm kingsbane is going to cause your pc to explode

[midnight mist]

i just read that pin thingy right

[balmy condor]

what the fuck man

[midnight mist]

and that shiv thing

no shiv in aoe

[subtle tundra]

lol zac can read?

[bronze pike]

But I need that .2% damage

[midnight mist]

is that new or

[hearty reef]

Wait new pin????

[subtle tundra]

you never shiv'd in aoe

[balmy condor]

the pin literally says it's not new zac

[hearty reef]

[midnight mist]

cause i asked here during this season

[subtle tundra]

i believe ive told you before

zaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccccccccccccccccccc

[warm vortex]

Wait why not

[subtle tundra]

CAUSE ITS LESS DMG

[blazing pumice]

cuz most other specs in wow are dogshit easy

[subtle tundra]

WDYM

[golden loom]

Cause it doesnt do anything for spatter

[hollow river]

[midnight mist]

well it sats "shiv is not worth using anymore"

[golden loom]

Bad gcd

[midnight mist]

that would imply it was

[warm vortex]

Ok no need to yell I just had a question

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[midnight mist]

idk i asked like 15 times

[blazing pumice]

rogue is comparatively harder

[midnight mist]

and the general answer i got was that i should still press during kb

[final star]

from: zac shiv

[subtle tundra]

i told you at some point you only do it if you care about prio

[final star]

wait that's not my search bar!!!

[warm vortex]

XD

[midnight mist]

i hate being lied to no cap

[subtle tundra]

youre just french

[warm vortex]

Ew

[royal lantern]

MODS

HE SAID A SLUR

[golden loom]

Call out the people lying (they do not exist)

[balmy condor]

?????????

[midnight mist]

"otuside of kb"

you should have corrected me and said you never

[balmy condor]

bro what

you asked a question and I answered

[midnight mist]

i mentionned outside of kb cause i have been told it was worth inside kb

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

french...

[midnight mist]

why people lying to me ?

[warm vortex]

Ok

[hearty reef]

@balmy condor wow insanely good pin

[hearty reef]

9.5/10

[warm vortex]

Tf was cookie smoking

[subtle tundra]

what he is always smoking

[bronze pike]

Cookie was smoking his best

[final star]

healing gems are never worth it

[subtle tundra]

nothing new

[final star]

ty

[golden loom]

His guild(s) do interesting stuff

[warm vortex]

God I should just become a ret
Less thinking

[midnight mist]

look

[bronze pike]

My niche as ret is being nerfed

[midnight mist]

i got gaslight

[bronze pike]

So I must

[midnight mist]

what you want me to do

[bronze pike]

Use healing gems to make up for my loss of off healing

@spice spire explain yourself

[midnight mist]

look he even told me a yapper !

[subtle tundra]

Kb in aoe is very weka 😔

[bronze pike]

U confused zac

[midnight mist]

no im not dude

i asked do i shiv in aoe

[hollow river]

i mean. u r

[warm vortex]

Ok tbf
You are a chatty person zac

[midnight mist]

and i got answered by 10 diff dudes

yes

[balmy condor]

I mean I think you just misunderstood tbf

[midnight mist]

how ?

[balmy condor]

cause I'm reading all of those

and they all say no

[midnight mist]

they say no utside of kb

[balmy condor]

it doesn't do anything for caustic

what do you want

[midnight mist]

like

OR POP KB

[balmy condor]

yeh can't explain that one

[warm vortex]

Oh that’s why it doesn’t work

[balmy condor]

kb dam good I guess

[warm vortex]

I thought it would

[midnight mist]

everyone of these guys

told me

do it in kb

like 4 diff guys

[west crown]

I know it was briefly covered in the video Whispyr, but are the different hero talents roughly in the same spot they are now compared to each other?

[midnight mist]

all red names

[balmy condor]

probably fine to do it in kb

[balmy condor]

fb worse

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

I didn't cover fatebound at all cause no point in even simming that shit

[final star]

this is what happens when outlaw players forced to play something else

[midnight mist]

I will not be pressing shiv on first pull nw anymore

[royal lantern]

10/10 hero tree

[midnight mist]

fuck gatekeeper

[subtle tundra]

whispyr what if in some aoe pulls i use DM as my first gcd so i get the nature buff faster, and then use skardyn's when i get lingering darkness

?

can you sim that

[balmy condor]

yeah hold on

okay I'm back it sucks

[hearty reef]

Unforch

[subtle tundra]

hmmmm

[warm vortex]

Just give us aoe energy in ST
Now nobody will worry about popping tea accidentally

[midnight mist]

ok serious question

i think im clueless

[subtle tundra]

you are

yes

[warm vortex]

We know

[midnight mist]

waht does syncing dm and kb in aoe do

[warm vortex]

Damage

[west crown]

more dam

[subtle tundra]

faster stacks

[balmy condor]

dm ramps kb like a mfer

[midnight mist]

cause i have infinite enregy right

isnt dm just bleeds

[balmy condor]

poisons

duplicate poisons

[midnight mist]

nvm

ok

[warm vortex]

Lethal dose damage too

[hearty reef]

Ok i pull up

[subtle tundra]

see? you are clueless

[midnight mist]

bro so hard to read

no cap

[balmy condor]

duplicate amp poison also makes your envenoms go giga kaboom and that does work on caustic

[final star]

it stacks kb, hear me out, twice as fast

[hollow river]

also tbf to them: they are answering from the guide most likely

[final star]

it's funny how assa is now the legion sub rogue big finisher spec

[balmy condor]

not pressing shiv in aoe is such a minor thing outside of simming like 7 target 5 min

[final star]

and sub rogue is the little piss boy

[subtle tundra]

i sometimes shiv to soothe...

[hollow river]

ye i can imagine its w/e in the first place

[balmy condor]

and yet for some reason mplussers love simming that shit

and it's startin to piss me off fr

[final star]

who don't even want to proc darkest night

[balmy condor]

so I'm just gonna add it

[warm vortex]

Why were people getting worked up then D:

[hearty reef]

It's just one global 😭

[bronze pike]

M + animals like to get worked up at anything

That’s why

[hearty reef]

Think of the prio 😭

[royal lantern]

me

[balmy condor]

yeah it is one global but you can cherry pick it really hard

[bronze pike]

Proc this darkest night

[hollow river]

[midnight mist]

ok but

taht other guy

that vora guy

he right tho or

[balmy condor]

that fucking who

[midnight mist]

if kb stacks super fast

with dm

why dont we dm early

[balmy condor]

we do?

[midnight mist]

since once its stacked its irrelevant isnt it

[hollow river]

x.x?

[midnight mist]

earlier

[warm vortex]

What

[hearty reef]

Earlier than what

[warm vortex]

This is a ven tier question to ask

[balmy condor]

earlier than your stealth window

what are we doing

[midnight mist]

he explained already

earlier so you have the damage amp thing

[subtle tundra]

im so confused

[midnight mist]

inside end of kb

[hearty reef]

Oh lingering

[warm vortex]

You press BtE during subter

[hearty reef]

[subtle tundra]

zac can you formulate a sentance from start to finish?

[final star]

[balmy condor]

why do we care so much about our kb man

[midnight mist]

nah thats hard cuh

[hollow river]

no

[midnight mist]

do we not

[final star]

KB isn't that good

[hollow river]

no

[midnight mist]

ok imma stop pressing kb

[final star]

envenom is better than kingsbane

[warm vortex]

Take it from the man himself

[midnight mist]

useless ass button fr

[bronze pike]

Need that .2% more dam

[subtle tundra]

kbs are noodles

im hungry

fuck

[midnight mist]

cause they aint stacking tho

[balmy condor]

one of the more viable talent options in dslice is dropping kingsbane btw

[midnight mist]

thats what whospares said

king whosp

[warm vortex]

Yea

[midnight mist]

you can drop kb

[subtle tundra]

SIGN. ME. UP.

[warm vortex]

Your st would be shit
But
It’s already shut

[bronze pike]

I don’t like i5 when we drop artifact weapon stuff

[midnight mist]

didnt even know it was a talent no cap

[bronze pike]

Seems dumb

[spice surge]

I also love posts that are just straightup wrong. Talking about sub having 50%+ uptime of dance and it not feeling like a cooldown because "its up all the time"

[balmy condor]

it's a capstone

?????

[final star]

it's like 35%

uptime

[midnight mist]

?

[bronze pike]

I wish

[midnight mist]

you think im reading my talents

[bronze pike]

I had 50% uptime of my cd

Now

[midnight mist]

so weird

[balmy condor]

clearly not

[bronze pike]

I have 80% uptime on wings

[warm vortex]

He is a French outlaw

[royal lantern]

35% 50% 80%

whats the difference, all the same

[warm vortex]

Reading and common sense aren’t his strong suit

[midnight mist]

Hm

I wonder if I should read my talents actually

Eh

[final star]

💀

[warm vortex]

Please do

[royal lantern]

based and wow player pilled

[midnight mist]

[proven jasper]

nah u dont need that

[midnight mist]

Probably useless

[royal lantern]

reading is for NERDS

[proven jasper]

its more about the vibes

[midnight mist]

I think I took more time to understand assa than I should have tho

Cause I didn't read

But it's ok

Vibing

[warm vortex]

Tbh I thought shiv would effect splatter

[balmy condor]

it does

[midnight mist]

You know why you didn't know that

Wdym it does

[balmy condor]

just not if you shiv the target you're hitting

[midnight mist]

Ye the press

[subtle tundra]

this zac guy qualified to tgp btw

by playing assa

[midnight mist]

Ye ok

Anyway

[hearty reef]

When i press it and play it good i see details go up

[midnight mist]

You would have known if you played outlaw !

[hollow river]

[midnight mist]

It's all the same

Bf

Spatter

That sub thing

All the same no cap

[warm vortex]

Oh

[balmy condor]

yeh

shiv + caustic is just ghostly + blade flurry

[old thistle]

caustic is better bf

[warm vortex]

Just give assassin blade flurry

[midnight mist]

It's probably similar the other way around aswel

[warm vortex]

But don’t target cap it

[royal lantern]

garrote garrote rupture rupture mutilate envenom fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom

hey look, i do top 0,1% push range aoe dmg now

[warm vortex]

Caustic flurry

[keen mantle]

How good is Assa trickster?

[subtle tundra]

0.2% worse in 3t 25sec

[balmy condor]

brother what

[midnight mist]

Like it you cd a target that has 99% damage réduction on it, you still cleave at 100% I would assume

[hearty reef]

Casual

[midnight mist]

Cause that works for outlaw

Anyway guys

[keen mantle]

someone asked me actually no cap

[midnight mist]

Stop yapping

It's crazy today

[warm vortex]

Not as good as Assa diabloist

[midnight mist]

Casual you noob

[balmy condor]

isn't sub supposed to be the new flavor of the month get out of my channel

[hearty reef]

Bro what was that sub tornato vid it's going around

[warm vortex]

My pit lord turning my envenom into a meteor is a p big dps increase

[hollow river]

@subtle tundra that casual player qualified for tgp btw

[balmy condor]

go enjoy the 23% tier set before it gets nerfed

[royal lantern]

havoc lightsmight>everything else

[keen mantle]

Whispyr i will love you until i realise assa is not meta

until then were besties

[balmy condor]

love you too

[warm vortex]

How much has Assa been meta since the rework

[balmy condor]

@midnight mist @subtle tundra how big is first pull nw

[final star]

Haven't heard from zerocool in a while

we need one of his takes

[balmy condor]

didn't he like give up

[keen mantle]

Zerocool is the above sims guy. Cant show in public like that.

He will play dw.

[royal lantern]

feelcraft time

[final star]

I have absolutely no idea

[midnight mist]

a lot

[subtle tundra]

more than 8

[balmy condor]

failed trial got the boot trialled for a different guild, wiped them on rash with a web triangle and then fell off the face of the planet

idk if he's even playing anymore

[warm vortex]

Tbh dungeon pool next season seems kinda mid:bad

[midnight mist]

16

[balmy condor]

bet

I will go TC a 16 mob pull

[royal lantern]

cant you check it quick in MDT?

[balmy condor]

just to silence the mplussers

[keen mantle]

ok guys

[balmy condor]

god bless

[keen mantle]

i got it

patch is over

but i got it

[subtle tundra]

poggar

[keen mantle]

blizzard fair

[warm vortex]

Skill issue

[hearty reef]

Crystal is rarer

[keen mantle]

meanwhile even on tournament realm i used transmitter

[subtle tundra]

take the egg

[keen mantle]

i have it but too annoying to play

cba

[balmy condor]

how long

[subtle tundra]

i play it and dont track it

[royal lantern]

take the chest for tmog

[subtle tundra]

it is what it is

idc

[warm vortex]

Casual addict
Have you considered becoming a hardcore addict
(Ik I’ve said this joke before)

[midnight mist]

while all 16 are alive its like 30s but the pack can last a full minute

[balmy condor]

I can work with that

[midnight mist]

but at that point you have like 6/7 mobs left

[keen mantle]

good idea , ill consider bro

[warm vortex]

I love how whenever nothings happening in outlaw chat, zac just starts yapping in here

[final star]

You mean when outlaw isn't meta

[warm vortex]

Yea, I heard it’s a good plan

[final star]

or playable

[warm vortex]

Ah good times

[final star]

or he's been gaslit hard enough by his team mates to not play outlaw

[bronze pike]

Outlaw meta again

[warm vortex]

Also

[bronze pike]

We can’t let this happen

[midnight mist]

wdym gaslight

kieron

[spice surge]

Ive heard heroin is addictive, if you want go go real hardcore

[royal lantern]

he truly is a Younger Guy

[midnight mist]

you wanna know something funny

[warm vortex]

I took a 9-5 shift next week
Turns out it’s half term so it’s going to be busy as fuck
End my life

[midnight mist]

What's the best outlaw key for you kieron

Tell me now

[final star]

probably like

city of threads

[midnight mist]

City yes

[final star]

and assa wins

by lik e800k dps still

[midnight mist]

I'm about 700k DPS under casual assa as outlaw

[final star]

[midnight mist]

And we depleted on timer

[royal lantern]

my shity feelcraft says Dawnbreaker

[bronze pike]

Gl

[midnight mist]

Cause I was doing too low dps

[midnight mist]

Nah dawn is terrible for outlaw

[bronze pike]

I have day off till Valentine’s Day

[midnight mist]

Nice try tho noob

[warm vortex]

It’s a leasure centre
Monday
First week of a school break
And it’s a one week school break

[hearty reef]

Siege?

[warm vortex]

[bronze pike]

Mists

[midnight mist]

It's city guys stop yapping

I said it already

[royal lantern]

thought its maybe better there cus the pulls are a bit smaller there overall

but ye, in the town you pull bigger again

idk

[hearty reef]

Its Siege.

[balmy condor]

mechagon

[midnight mist]

Ye but the pulls size don't matter much

Yoh have huge downtime between every pack

[final star]

maybe I play the m+ minigame in 11.1

anyone wanna do some keys in a month?

[subtle tundra]

dont

[midnight mist]

And everything lines up super well with cds

And you do routes with dangerous pulls every 2 min

[subtle tundra]

you mean 5 months after youre fully geared and meta shifts 3 times

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, thats Bad

rip A.rush

[midnight mist]

And you need huge prios for.minjblss

[spice surge]

Take me down to nerubar city where the spiders big and the rps lengthy

[midnight mist]

Which ass excells at

[bronze pike]

Temple of the Jade serpent

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-pandariana-gif-19148836

[warm vortex]

The best key is GB because I enjoy playing it. While it has a lot of damage, getting a group of friends in a lower key is fun. Enjoying social interaction with other human beings I like will beat the feeling of a pointless number on a computer screen. The time on earth we have is finite so maximising our interactions with each other will bolster our enjoyment

[midnight mist]

I mean it's probably the best assa key, dawn

Like by far

[bronze pike]

I can’t defend this

[final star]

american dates 🤢

[bronze pike]

You must be purged

[balmy condor]

could be us

[warm vortex]

Idk how to convert freedom units most of the time

The dates I can read

But like

[final star]

12/02/24 is 12th Feb 2024

[warm vortex]

I’m not measuring myself in hotdogs or whatever

[final star]

not 2nd Dec 2024

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra @midnight mist okay the moment I make dm any earlier the sim loses a fuck ton of dps

[warm vortex]

2024 / 12 / 2
2 / 12 / 2024
12 / 2 / 2024

[hearty reef]

Dod you really sim the lingering tech??

[balmy condor]

yeah it wasn't too hard

[hearty reef]

[warm vortex]

Whispyr
What’s your fav spec outside assassination

[midnight mist]

what if

[subtle tundra]

what sim

[midnight mist]

you make kb later

[bronze pike]

Did u sim dn on 16 targets

[balmy condor]

idk I've only played rogue and warrior

[midnight mist]

cause earlier you dont have builds up !

[balmy condor]

I guess sub?

[midnight mist]

no cap !

[warm vortex]

Oh wow

[midnight mist]

you dont know how to sim anyway noob

[bronze pike]

Would u like to play ret

[warm vortex]

Ok I forgot sometimes you’ve been playing since WoD and not like

[bronze pike]

I can teach u

[warm vortex]

Wrath

[balmy condor]

so the same opener but KB to clip into lingering

[warm vortex]

Tbh I love BM

[midnight mist]

!!!

[balmy condor]

yeah that sucks

[royal lantern]

go away you preacher

[warm vortex]

Me and my beasts

[balmy condor]

not only did that suck when we first had lingering in 10.2

but it also sucked when we got lingering in beta

and also when season 1 launched

[warm vortex]

I need to look up what lingering is

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/broadway-musicals-musicals-broadway-elder-mckinley-andrew-rannells-gif-13401570050649845586

[balmy condor]

and I actually just looked at this last night for the shiv during lingering

and it sucked then too

lethal dose stacks are pretty good turns out

[warm vortex]

Tbh

Lethal dose be cool

Idk i had a thought and it vanished

So I just typed what I could see

And thought
“yes lethal dose”

[midnight mist]

stop syaing that !

you suck !

[balmy condor]

mb

[midnight mist]

its ok

dw

[warm vortex]

Zac

You suck too though

[balmy condor]

we all suck together

[midnight mist]

That's nice

We can suck each other off then

[warm vortex]

True

[bronze pike]

I don’t want to do that with any of you

[warm vortex]

Actually

Whisp

Have you played a KBless build

Like ik you say you can run it

[bronze pike]

Whisp if I’m drunk enough

[warm vortex]

But personally I’ve never tried

[balmy condor]

I mean I do vault keys

I've played plenty of rat shit during vault keys

[earnest remnant]

crab build on fyrakk

do it again

[warm vortex]

What the fuck is a crab build

[balmy condor]

I played this during a vault key

and they said I wasn't trolling enough

cause that's just a bleed build

so I played this instead

and it was giga ass

[heady drum]

souhld make talent trees that are just visually symetrical

[balmy condor]

that is the crab build yes

[heady drum]

w

[heady drum]

can someone answer me why the new tier set is so fucking ugly

[balmy condor]

this was the original crab build

[earnest remnant]

something something outlaw themed

[heady drum]

aesthetics > damage

[balmy condor]

I wonder if I can find that log

[heady drum]

class has 3 different specs with 3 somewhat defining features, make the set appearance for only one of them

[bronze pike]

Made for pirates

[balmy condor]

I indeed found it

[bronze pike]

I personally think it’s about time

[heady drum]

we had a pirate gear earlier im pretty sure

dashing scoundrel or something

[bronze pike]

Since all the other rogue tier sets were sub and sin oriented

[heady drum]

which was also pretty decent

this one is just shit

looks like some greens that drop in a random pirate zone

[bronze pike]

Last pirate theme tier set rogue had was antorius

[warm vortex]

Dude accepting builds from

The ahem

Mystery man

Was such a good idea

[bronze pike]

Idk

[bronze pike]

It’s a nice change of pace visually

[balmy condor]

what a pull

[heady drum]

youre looking demonic in the best way possible

[balmy condor]

was a 1 min wipe

in p1

[bronze pike]

Cause again, a lot of rogue tier sets were clearly sub and sin inspired for 2 expansion

[balmy condor]

but pretty neat

[midnight mist]

the one before was a sub tier tbf

[balmy condor]

seeing envenom in 7th

is so strange

[warm vortex]

I just put a shirt on, get some shorts n shoes. Get my kingsbanes and leave

[royal lantern]

abberus set was sub themed

cry about it, idk

[heady drum]

yeah i am

[bronze pike]

Sl tier sub inspired, df tier sub, aberrus sub, fyrakk sin

[balmy condor]

zac what do you think of this

[bronze pike]

Tww tier sub

[midnight mist]

?

wtf are you guys doing

[balmy condor]

I fixed something on 35 second 25 target

[midnight mist]

no cap

[earnest remnant]

current tier should be "Assa" themed then considering how "Ass" it is

[midnight mist]

nice

[hearty reef]

Wowza ct dmg

[midnight mist]

!!

What it do

[balmy condor]

ty ty

[bronze pike]

Shots fired

[balmy condor]

idk when there's like a gajillion targets and you're playing subterfuge it doesn't wanna ct

[bronze pike]

Mean while

Me a ret chad

Quite possible has the best tier set

[balmy condor]

think it's just stuck in the stealth loop

[bronze pike]

This season

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is weird

[hearty reef]

As in spammin vanish?

[balmy condor]

no as in it's stuck in the stealth list

[warm vortex]

CR is pretty big

CT

[balmy condor]

cause subterfuge makes stealth last a billion years

[hearty reef]

Oh robot broken then

[balmy condor]

idk bout broken

but the way I wrote it, there's a list of actions it takes when stealthed

and it REALLY likes that

cause I gave it 25 targets

[hearty reef]

Stuck is stuck

Wdym

[balmy condor]

and it spent the first 20 seconds

just spamming gar gar rup

I guess this never happens in regular sims

[proven jasper]

Big Bleeds

[balmy condor]

so whatever

[worldly sail]

i will manually spread garrote and rupture to 25 targets, that is my optimal rogue class fantasy

[hearty reef]

Then it's spamming vanish

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly? yeah kinda

[worldly sail]

ok well if they actually did damage

[heady drum]

im the poisoner & the bleeder

[royal lantern]

stop right there

[balmy condor]

internal bleeding should honestly be reworked to like your bleeds do a billion % more damage but duration reduced by 50%

[royal lantern]

not in MY Modern wow

[balmy condor]

just passive

[proven jasper]

[worldly sail]

you cannot stop the multidot train shadow priest and assassination stonks will rise

[balmy condor]

the way exsang should've been

from the get go

but they really wanted it to be a button

for god knows what fucking reason

so then it turned into spaghetti that tormented us for like a decade

[royal lantern]

tfw fucking arms warrior has more dot managment then assa/affliction/shadow

[proven jasper]

Destro is more of a dot spec than aff is anymore

[hearty reef]

Envenom spec

[balmy condor]

I mean lowkey skullsplitter on arms is the smart way to do exsang as a button

[royal lantern]

ye

[balmy condor]

it shouldn't have been a button in the first place

but that's how you make exsang a button

blizzard had it right there

and then just kinda

didn't

[proven jasper]

Lowkey that button is ass tho

terrible

[warm vortex]

Tbh arms felt button bloated to me

[proven jasper]

It is

[balmy condor]

yeah it's ass but if they just copy pasted skullsplitter onto ass, 95% of the pain of exsanguinate would've disappeared instantly

[strange python]

What a world we live in

[royal lantern]

yep

[proven jasper]

In aoe u have like 100 things to press and never sure when the best time is

[strange python]

2025 is crazy

Arms button bloat

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

arms is weird

like, i just dont know why sweeping strikes is on the gcd lol

[warm vortex]

So stupid

[strange python]

Okay but off gcd sweeping strikes would also be weird

Like how happen

[warm vortex]

Wasn’t it a passive in legion

[strange python]

Mid gcd you make it cleave

[warm vortex]

I’m p sure people liked that

[royal lantern]

them do the outlaw bladeflury solution

give it a aoe hit on activation

idk

[proven jasper]

True

unironically best solution

[strange python]

Ye that sure

[warm vortex]

Tbh for most clssses you can say
“God I missed the legion version “

[proven jasper]

I mean legion arms was like

The top of the mountain

Peak gaming

[royal lantern]

*legion dps warrior

fury was cool aswell

[warm vortex]

I’m so sad I missed legion

[royal lantern]

juggernaut gaming

[warm vortex]

The class fantasy would make me so happy

[proven jasper]

Ye ur right

Ms->Cs was peak rotation though

cs resets were awesome

[midnight mist]

why isnt there a thing to stop it when we have 5 ruptures out tho, cause i tought that was what we were doing right

[warm vortex]

Wait you could RESET cs

I’m so depressed I missed that

[midnight mist]

in outlaw apl after the stealth lists you still enter the others, unless specified

[proven jasper]

New overpower was basically old cs

[balmy condor]

cause still want to cleave imp gars and there's situations where cds happen during the end of subterfuge and so there's shiv/envenom checks in there as well and ambush check for ds mark

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

subterfuge makes everything messy

just is what it is

[midnight mist]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I'm sure I could spend dozens of hours going back through and rewriting shit to do that the way outlaw does

but cba

don't care

[warm vortex]

Damn slacker

[balmy condor]

I mean it works fine

it's just different structure

[midnight mist]

its similar tho

if you dont spends cps inside the stealth list, since the aoedot thing list still is called after

you would ct

wouldnt you

your lines are so long

assa is ugly !

[balmy condor]

assa is very ugly

[strange python]

no u

[balmy condor]

I rewrote the whole thing from scratch for 10.2 rework too

[midnight mist]

i said it first

[balmy condor]

and it's still this ugly

[midnight mist]

outlaw is also getting ugly

[balmy condor]

assa, the spec where nothing you do matters but having to juggle 3 dots, 2 generators, and 3 finishers

[warm vortex]

Rogue is ugly

[balmy condor]

is really really hard

[midnight mist]

I think I let it go bad it's my fault

[balmy condor]

I blame m+ for assa apl being ugly

[midnight mist]

Will see if we can rework a bit the whole thing the next time they rework outlaw

[balmy condor]

you tweak like an envenom line and all of a sudden you lose 0.3 CT casts in dslice and it's like -0.6%

it's fucking horrid

[strange python]

Just delete dungeons

[midnight mist]

[spice surge]

All the rogue specs are so ugly compared to some stuff like arms and or frost mage

Their apl is like

Avatar
Colossus smash
Thunderous Roar
without almost no conditions whatsoever

[snow hamlet]

[spice surge]

We even tried real hard and rewrote sub apl for tww to make it simpler yet we still end up with enormous lines like the symbols one 💀

[midnight mist]

i like to divide lines now

we did that in outlaw apl a lot

otherwise you have like a gigantic vanish line

no one can read

instead we have like 5

for diff situations or talents and its way easier

[warm vortex]

Idk how apls even work

[midnight mist]

we have 11 vanish lines actually

but i swear its more readable that way

[balmy condor]

think of a big list where the computer goes down the list and checks each item

and each item is just "if this, then do this"

and then make the the "if" part really complicated

and you have APL

[grizzled elk]

Are we still fucked with the upcoming t-set?

[gentle flower]

looks like it 😄

[balmy condor]

until they tune it

2+2 is really strong though

if they don't touch the 2 piece early prog looks pretty monstrous im ngl

[balmy condor]

[snow hamlet]

omfg

[midnight mist]

only 7 noob

[lofty junco]

after i got all the 584 gear+ring from the island, what would be next step towards gearing?

[midnight mist]

look at this beauty whisp

[balmy condor]

higher ilvl

[gentle flower]

buy the 589 gear or w/e

[midnight mist]

i even have 2 actions list

[gentle flower]

in the island

[balmy condor]

do delve/raid/m+

[proven jasper]

Low mythics

ye

[balmy condor]

get higher track stuff

get crests

upgrade that track stuff

push higher

get higher track stuff

[balmy condor]

I hate this

[midnight mist]

[lofty junco]

or 589., i did buy the stuff from the vendor. dunno if it was 85 or 89

[midnight mist]

i swear its good tho

makes it so much easier to read

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gentle flower]

i dont either convert them to your 4set

[balmy condor]

I've been trying to use variables more and more

[lofty junco]

so next spam delves, where exactly do i get that bountiful keys?

[gentle flower]

Then do your 619 crafted thing

[balmy condor]

but the lines are still monsters

[balmy condor]

rng

[gentle flower]

or get a friend to carry you in 8s

[lofty junco]

then what activities can it drop^^

[gentle flower]

so you can get gilded

then craft 636 gear

[balmy condor]

world content for the keys

I think the weeklies give you keys

like the theatre and all that

and then you just have to do the world quests that give fragments

and the radiant echoes thing?

those give too I think

[gentle flower]

you need atleast 480 gilded if you do 8+ thats 40 8+ this week

[midnight mist]

And I have been trying to use variables less

Cause you can't debug them

Like you don't know how many time this variable activated, or when etc

We yeeted the rtb variables for example, instead we just have a few rtb lines now

[balmy condor]

yeh that is true but if I don't use variables all my lines are mini paragraphs

[midnight mist]

So you see exactly when each one happen

[midnight mist]

Rough

It's hard being a rogue no cap

[balmy condor]

actions.direct=envenom,if=!buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp&(variable.not_pooling|debuff.amplifying_poison.stack>=20|!variable.single_target)&!buff.vanish.upversusactions.direct=envenom,if=!buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp&(((dot.deathmark.ticking|dot.kingsbane.ticking|debuff.shiv.up)|!(cooldown.kingsbane.remains<3&!cooldown.kingsbane.ready)&energy>40+50+5*talent.vicious_venoms.rank&buff.darkest_night.up|!(cooldown.kingsbane.remains<3&!cooldown.kingsbane.ready)&(energy>40+50+5*talent.vicious_venoms.rank)&(buff.envenom.up&buff.envenom.remains.1<=1)|(energy.pct>=(50-10*talent.vicious_venoms.rank))|fight_remains<=20|debuff.amplifying_poison.stack>=20|!(spell_targets.fan_of_knives<2))&!buff.vanish.up

oh I missed a variable

for the cp

okay well

you get it

[subtle tundra]

miserable

[golden loom]

Stuff like this is really cool tbh

[balmy condor]

it is cool

it just sucks a lot as well

most of the work doesn't even go noticed

cause like a good 80% of the stuff that gets tested ends up going nowhere and never sees any conversation

spend hours double checking old logic and checking some wild things just to make sure there isn't crazy tech

or just cleaning up random nonsense

[golden loom]

Yeah like I dont really do any sims myself, just the fact that theres people dedicating a bunch of time to stuff like this is the cool part

[midnight mist]

Ok but that's kinda different tbf, that's good use of variables

It's like an actual variable thing

[balmy condor]

tf would be a not actual variable thing

[midnight mist]

For example

We had a variable since the longest time

That was rtb

So you had multiple variable_rtb lines

With resetts and shit

[balmy condor]

oh so just bad coding

[midnight mist]

But these kind of variables to me don't make sense cause it should just be an actual line

[midnight mist]

Maybe, it kinda made sense but not too much

It was there way before I joined tho not my fault

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean the way I see it

is that if you have to do a variable reset

you should've just split the line

or you're doing something that you shouldn't

like you're resetting on conditions

we already have that

it's called making a second line

[livid finch]

was there a plater command for the bot or am i remembering wrong?

[hollow river]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow river]

At the bottom

[balmy condor]

fyi !plater works too

[livid finch]

ty

[hollow river]

Oh is that new or am I trippin

[balmy condor]

it's been an alternate to the command for a while

I think !ui works too

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

yeh

[livid finch]

I tried !plater in the bot commands channel and it didnt work. But I guess it's only tied to spec channels

[balmy condor]

yes

each spec has its own stuff

[spice spire]

If you have a prio target that you’re cleaving off of little guys, think dawnbrraker ritualist or second mini boss. And it lives you can cycle the extra shiv, that’s literally it.

[balmy condor]

nice copout bud

[spice spire]

I mean I’m 99% sure that’s what I said before

Zac is a yapper tho

[balmy condor]

I'll buss

[midnight mist]

No

You lied to me

Don't pin it on me

I have screenshots

[spice spire]

I literally say shiv for prio or kb only

[midnight mist]

Ye

Which isnt what whisp is saying

"or kb"

[lusty kraken]

if you shiv a target with kb on it, is the damage done by spatter not increased?

[golden loom]

no

the target takes 30% more nature damage, you dont deal 30% more

[midnight mist]

[midnight mist]

Non outlaw players

[golden loom]

yes, so you deal 100% damage and that splatters for 40%

the target takes 130%

mobs around it takes 100% of the 40%

[spice spire]

Shiv only effects the target shiv’d

[lusty kraken]

you would think it would do 40% of that 130% damage

[midnight mist]

Yes but when it's a debuff

[spice surge]

Yes but thats not how it works

[midnight mist]

It never works that way