assassination

[elder torrent]

I'm just trying to get back into rogue and I'm looking at these two logs 1 is from heroic ulgrax and the other from princess

same talents but ulgrax is almost 1.7M ( No caustic splatter ) and princess is 1.3M Ulgrax kill has worse uptimes overall for like improved garrote and stuff

I don't feel like I did anything different but like all I can think about is maybe Crits maybe the one minute difference makes that big a difference?

Ulgrax: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZacXhkJtBL4V9xAT?fight=2&type=damage-done

Princess: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZacXhkJtBL4V9xAT?fight=23&type=damage-done

I'm not smart enough to know where I'm going wrong or if I'm doing wrong at all :<

[subtle tundra]

i think its just fine

nvm 3 min to spare

even more

[dawn heath]

ye but 3mil isnt super impressive for the route they did

have u see the pulls

they play

casual would do 3.5 in that run

[balmy condor]

ulgrax removes the intermission

[earnest remnant]

ye who wouldve guessed that if you optimize stuff, you start doing more "good" dmg in the keys

[balmy condor]

so that'll skew the numbers hella

[earnest remnant]

was the same shit back in the sub funnel days

[subtle tundra]

does it matter if the rogue does 3mil or 3.5mil of they were faster with the lower dps?

cause then the enha does more

[earnest remnant]

play with idiots that just mindless blasts aoe = shit dmg

slower time

[spice surge]

Nah but like, the shaman doesnt needlessly pad so they dont end up with a singletarget to hit for 40 seconds so the rogue instead has full bleeds for most of it

[earnest remnant]

play with people that understand classes = good dmg and faster time

crazy

[midnight mist]

ye but the thing is

casual does like 3.4

what can i do

[elder torrent]

oh? I just always did doo doo on that fight but suddenly I did like 1.7M and I'm not even sure what I did different like I know we didn't have our Aug evoker I'll just blame it on that LOL

[subtle tundra]

idk read this chat

people just explained

what can you do?

[royal lantern]

crit more

[subtle tundra]

time the key

[royal lantern]

pet varas

[dawn heath]

the biggest mystery is how casual does 3.6million dps on 2nd boss in dawn

[balmy condor]

yah I mean you had a great kill time on ulgrax

[dawn heath]

like i legit cannot break 3mil

on that boss

[balmy condor]

4:30 min heroic kyveza is kinda insane this late into the tier but yeh happens

[spice surge]

Truly a mystery that couldnt have been explained

[elder torrent]

I'm no longer appart of a Mythic guild I'm just in a casual Heroic guild Q~Q

They aren't the best but I like them 😄

[balmy condor]

that's what matters

doesn't help your dps much though

[elder torrent]

nope def not but I was kinda just hoping it was something I was doing that I could fix lol

[subtle tundra]

instead of dps maybe look at time spent in combat

see how fast they kill the boss

or like look how long they take to kill adds

[dawn heath]

people still do the raid?

[subtle tundra]

idc to examine

[earnest remnant]

every god damn week!

[balmy condor]

only thing that really stands out is that your second shiv is very consistently late

[dawn heath]

holy my condolences

[balmy condor]

on that kyveza kill you only had 1 cd window where it wasn't late

[elder torrent]

should I not like barely let it drop off for the extra full 8 seconds ?

or does it just add

[balmy condor]

I mean you want to cover kingsbane

so last second of shiv refreshing it is fine, or right as it drops off

this is neither

you're nearly a full 4 seconds late

[elder torrent]

o

:<

[balmy condor]

that garrote at 0:12 is also pretty troll considering you just fucked over your improved garrote from stealth

[lethal heart]

[elder torrent]

yeah I still have it locked in to garrote after KB cause thats what I learnt in Amirdrassil lol

[balmy condor]

can macro the pot into deathmark as well, no reason to cast it that late

but all of this is fairly minor idk

[earnest remnant]

takes like 1hour 30min

not too bad

[elder torrent]

I am taking notes

https://tenor.com/bWeiZ.gif

[balmy condor]

I didn't dive it too hard cause it's 5am and I'm cooked

but yeh

[dawn heath]

i actaully stepped into the raid for the first time in 2 months this week

cause i wanted to cap the buff? for some reason even though i dont raid

[earnest remnant]

i just do a quick 8/8 mythic reclear then log off for the week

[elder torrent]

I kinda miss playing mythic

[dawn heath]

it was kind of refreshing to not suck at single target

as im used to

when you beat the #n2 guy by 700k its kinda crazy

on st

given this was some random shitter raid

[golden loom]

Sin raid ST does feel very good

[dawn heath]

perfect ranking

[elder torrent]

Oh and one more thing queen heroic My CDS give me a KB window right as queen spawns the adds for us to go up the platforms

should I just be KB the add or hold for the whisperer prio target?

It always is such a weird timing thing when going up the platforms I'm never sure

[golden loom]

U can kb cause you have it back up for p3 ansurek

[winged quail]

it's a cosmetic KB tho cuz the ads die in 0.5s on HC

[golden loom]

Usually the ads blow up tho ye

[winged quail]

but might as well send it

[elder torrent]

my RL always doesn't have the same groups so sometimes that shit dies quick and sometimes its up for ages its so weird

thats why I feel awkward on that part

[golden loom]

Sending shiv on platform does feel kinda nice cause of arterial tho

[elder torrent]

if Ele shaman exists on my side the adds don't exist either kek

[timid bramble]

Peep the DMG for ilvl ratio

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nH8hxJyYtGTQKcV6?fight=28&type=damage-done&start=2495638&end=2660421

Be proud of me guys. Y'all taught me well

Just heroic lol

Going to Mythic on Sunday after I gain some ilvls with gilded

[static glacier]

checked opener, looks good

except the pot

[timid bramble]

Yes I fucked up cause bars weren't set with macros

I had to manually click 😭

From bag 😂

[static glacier]

other than that you can normally fit an extra envenom in the end of dm instead of the rupture then rupture right after dm ends

rupture shouldn't fall off

[timid bramble]

Ok so im this case

[static glacier]

but thats like margin of error optimisation

[timid bramble]

Potting before kingsbane

👍

[static glacier]

ye, id just use it with dm or before KB

[timid bramble]

Death mark !! Yes yes

Ok so either should be fine. I'll swap macro to DM

[static glacier]

your 2nd kb was a bit wierd

[timid bramble]

Appreciate you looking at it 🙂 and y'all been so helpful it's awesome

At movement phase when he left!! I think

I said Nooooo

[static glacier]

tbh i have no idea about hc timers

on mythic you kb when you arrive at his 2nd position iirc

timing is just about perfect

[timid bramble]

Yeah I think Mythic will be better for me to apply things.

Okay I will keep that in mind. I'll share new log at end of week.

[static glacier]

this is super minor but try to avoid having to refresh bleeds inside kb windows

[timid bramble]

I fucked up on other bosses tbh. I didn't know how to maximize on brood and council adds much

[static glacier]

for the most part you understand and can execute the fundamentals

[golden loom]

Refreshing bleeds during KB is very very minor tho

like 90% of poison procs is from autos

[static glacier]

ye

[golden loom]

so as long as you have envenom buff goin it doesnt really matter

[static glacier]

still, our spec isn't exactly engaging

we have brain space to plan

[timid bramble]

Ok noted noted

[golden loom]

would recommend running interal bleeding over caustic on rashanan tho, even in mythic at this point of the season

the adds just giga explode so its hard to pad

[timid bramble]

It's sooo hard man

They just disappear

[golden loom]

like you legit did 0 damage with spatter

[static glacier]

^ depends on how disciplined your raid team is to stack adds under boss

but ye I endorse internal

[timid bramble]

I'll try that this weekend!

Don't look at others please I'm not proud of them 😂

I reviewed and realised a lot of mistakes

[static glacier]

another tiny optimisation

[vivid seal]

is anyone else having issues with deathstalker's mark? sometimes in keys it literally doesnt apply from stealth - happens to me alot of bosses that phase like 2nd boss or siege but it kept happening on non bosses the past couple of keys

didnt time a 16 siege because my boss damage was dooky from not applying mark - so fucking frustrating

[golden loom]

I only pug so my best rashanan parse has 37m spatter damage, but that was 2 months ago, last week it did 0

[timid bramble]

Like 20% DMG . But most important is I found them.

[static glacier]

throw shiv at the end of fights

I think you had like 2 globals or so

to shiv instead of mut at the end

[timid bramble]

As in like outside of normal use

[golden loom]

yeah if u see boss is about to die shiv is very good

[timid bramble]

Just cause fight is about to end so no point in saving

[golden loom]

cause u also get super charger

[timid bramble]

Ok 👌 awesome tip

[static glacier]

tbh dude if you keep bleeds up, execute cds properly and have melee uptime you'll do well

[golden loom]

so u can squeeze in some supercharged envenom to hopefully last hit or smthin

[static glacier]

all the minor stuff I mentioned probably amounts to at most 1-2% overall if combined

compared to ignoring it completely

[vivid seal]

anyone have any insight into this?

[timid bramble]

This makes sense!! 😃

[timid bramble]

I want every percent 😂

[timid bramble]

Is it Macro'd?

[static glacier]

are you getting the subterfuge buff?

this is v fishy

[vivid seal]

what is macro'd

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TmF1QxH8Mzygrbvh?fight=last this is the log

mostly 2nd boss and pull after 2nd boss

[timid bramble]

Was just curious if you had it in a Macro. Sometimes those can bug out.

But I'm new here too so I'm sure they'll give you better indicators

[static glacier]

if ur shadowstep

caused ur char to melee

that or it just bugged

[vivid seal]

I dont have a macro for ambush

[golden loom]

subterfuge just removes any chance of that I guess

[static glacier]

he doesnt have it

[golden loom]

ye I kno

[vivid seal]

yeah i dont run subterfuge for that key

but its still supposed to apply with ambush

[static glacier]

you were in stealth

found the culprit

its bugged sometimes

[vivid seal]

ugh man that shit is so annoying

so there is nothing i can do about it

what about the pull right after that boss

it still didnt apply and i didnt have darkest night

[lethal heart]

love having hero talents that locks you to a target

while being multimod spec in an environemnt where you wanna perma swap targets

[royal lantern]

:333

our hero talent is the old CP system

[lethal heart]

isnt it worse

when i mess up and lose my target in a big pull

its just over

[royal lantern]

nah

old cp system

lol

that shit was horrible

[lethal heart]

old cp system means you have combo points per mob

or

[royal lantern]

ye

CP on enemys, not on the player

[lethal heart]

kinda h orrible

but id rather have that than current hero tlaent

[royal lantern]

thats something blizz would put on a new class, ngl

[lethal heart]

at least look at it that way

on ansurek

i just leave p1 with ufll combo points

htey're always there

and if i fuck up mark there

its just gg

go next

horrendous thing to have to play around

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter 99% of the time

and if it does, it feels really bad

such a weird thing

[lethal heart]

because intermissions/swapping targets exist

like the gentlemen above mentioned 2nd boss siege

1st boss mists exist too

i messed up in 17 we played for 2nd burn coz i did sth unusual

and i legit did healer dps

because big mistake ofc

[timid bramble]

Why don't we use Crimson Tempest like on Brood and court

I didn't to horrible. Like 1.45M on court at ilvl 614 but It felt like I wasnt maximizing multi target .

[violet berry]

Is assa gonna be about as powerful next tier?

[timid bramble]

We just relying on spatter right

[royal lantern]

you do on brokd

not on court

[golden loom]

on heroic brood u dont

on mythic u do

[royal lantern]

how are we supposed to know the future lol

[violet berry]

PTR

[timid bramble]

Ahh that makes sense ...nobody took on heroic because of them dying quick

[golden loom]

yep

[royal lantern]

PTR is the least reliable thing in the world for numbers, they change numbers months after patch release still lol

[timid bramble]

We don't know for certain about any spec till it gets bit closer since every couple days there's been bug/fixes and nerfs/buffs to tier sets.

[royal lantern]

if somebody tells you a spec is good/bad based on the PTR, they are legit just stupid

[timid bramble]

I agree.

[royal lantern]

OMG THAT SPEC IS SO BROKEN LOOK AT THE PTR!!!!!!->patch is out for 1 week and it gets a 5% aura nerf

happens quiet often

[timid bramble]

Just take a look at last PTR from season 1..lots of classes were over performing/under performing vs how they ended up

[golden loom]

hope he makes another vid for next patch, I just love these vids

[timid bramble]

In general I believe most classes will be viable and do decent.

But if you are asking about FoTM/Meta comps .it'll be tough

[timid bramble]

Lmao u watched it!!

Tier lists are hilarious 🤣

[golden loom]

ive watched this video like 4 or 5 times

and the others

I just fkin love people yappin

[timid bramble]

Ok I'ma watch now 😃😺

[golden loom]

the hunter and boomkin sections are especially banger in that one

[royal lantern]

omg you are french

[golden loom]

its swedish

[royal lantern]

no, you are french

[golden loom]

I am actually finnish 😎

[earnest remnant]

nah you are "finished"

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666157779534217220/1337281226142126130/penits.gif

[spice spire]

I’m sorry you didn’t deserve that

[analog field]

Hello guys, in M+ i see we don't take sanguine blades, why is that?

[scarlet orbit]

We kinda do in most builds tho

[spice surge]

You can take it if you want to

Theres dozens of m+ setups that are all pretty much the same

[fleet atlas]

Of the top 50 sin rogues in m+ exactly 25 of them are taking sanguine blades at the moment

[analog field]

in murloc.io it shows 42 of 50 taking it

[analog field]

i saw the whispyr guide for M+ the build doesnt have it and that's why i asked, i guess many talents are equal just asking to understand

[fleet atlas]

Our murlok.io is different then

[golden loom]

yeah a lot of builds are within the same % pretty much

[spice surge]

Murlok is completely bait

Its just what they logged out in

[pliant remnant]

That's not Sanguine Blades either

[golden loom]

u can switch between sanguine, twist the knife, iron wire, sudden death etc

[spice surge]

So if they raid and then log out it will show raid talents

[fleet atlas]

Oh I thought it was what they ran their last key in?

[analog field]

this is sudden demise

[spice surge]

No

[golden loom]

like your talents are pretty much set so that you have 1 or 2 talent points that you can flex to your liking

[fleet atlas]

Your right I'm fking dumb

[analog field]

also from the 2 poisons atrophic and numb 48 take atrophic

i thought it was a raid one , but maybe its because they logged out on this

[golden loom]

also pretty much the same

atrophic = less group damage
numbing = less tank damage

[uneven plume]

People sleep on dashing scoundrel

[spice surge]

As they should

Its a pure ST talent that does less than demise, which helps in aoe too

[spice spire]

Man actually said “they should keep sleeping on it 🔥🔥🔥🔥”

[uneven plume]

It sims less than SD on pure ST in m+?

Feels so good to play in DB/Mists imo

[golden loom]

Swap out the dashing and invest in big demise asap rocky

also lets say it simmed 0.00001% better in ST you would lose out a lot in AoE

[uneven plume]

Eh. Dashing feels better. I’ll try SD in my 18 db tomorrow and compare timers. Felt easy with dashing already on the ST bosses.

Maybe I’m just bad at energy conservation which dashing helps with xD

[magic ledge]

Hey I'm still kinda of learning sin and had a question about the utilizations of shiv and Kingsbane. So I understand that when you have 2 uses of shiv you should shiv before Kingsbane. But in aoe do you still shiv before Kingsbane or do you wait till there is 7 secs left?

[golden loom]

if u only have 1 charge you use it so it covers last part of kingsbane yeah

[warm vortex]

Holy shit lads look who i found

[dawn heath]

bro

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316150151907377254/1337471934664933507/image.png?ex=67a7914e&is=67a63fce&hm=6c9e29e4580944e0567f9ea4d5ccfd967ac5e002f4ac8b27cddab3267928b163&

they were 1 second over 20 dawn was a world first key

actually

0.1s over

cause u get an extra second always

[warm vortex]

Yknow

if he was a hardcore addict

and not a casual addict

they would have timed it

[paper tapir]

Was watching was crazy run

5 deaths too

[drifting basin]

drjay mustve procced like crazy

he did 2 mdps on rash

shits crazy

[warm vortex]

Yea
I remember thinking this dungeon would be hell on m+

[drifting basin]

and then he throws it all away by healing in the end

[warm vortex]

But it turned out to be ultra easy

[drifting basin]

they giga nerfed it from pre-season

and ptr

[warm vortex]

Fair

Also got myself the lunar event stuff earlier
The elder title and rocket
Was p cool
Boring tho

[royal lantern]

its old event stuff, its not really supposed to be exciting

just some neat side things to do

[warm vortex]

Yea it is

Just flying around and talking to old dead peopl

Hate how deep they put the one in muradon tho

Like right at the end of the dungeon p much

[golden loom]

shouldve had ur scepter ready for the princess run then smh

[warm vortex]

I don't even know what that is mister UwUcutegirl

[golden loom]

in classic u do a quest in maraudon that gives u a scepter that tps u into the halfway point of the dungeon 😎

[hollow river]

I got the rocket and stopped. I kinda want the hearth toy

[warm vortex]

Oh fair

Yea im doing 16 runs a day

Someone in my guild that did like 30 + runs a day every time this event came around got it finally

[hollow river]

Runs?

[warm vortex]

Attempts

not runs

i mean

[hollow river]

Of what

[warm vortex]

Love rocket

[hollow river]

No I meant the lunar rocket

If I got the love rocket I’d be pissing and shitting

I’ve been doing 1 run per day because of the increased drop rate

[warm vortex]

Tbh i also really want the gas mask

Tbh id be doing more

id be pissing, shitting, cumming, bleeding,

god knows

[hollow river]

The green one?

[warm vortex]

ye

[hollow river]

I think I got that ages ago

[royal lantern]

i would visit a hospital asap at that point tbh

[warm vortex]

I'd be diagnosed with being excited

[hollow river]

Apparently the new love broom is only obtainable from first run of the day per account

But you can get both mounts in 1 clear as well

[royal lantern]

the broom also has a waaaaay higher chance

like, 80% of my guild has it allready

[warm vortex]

Vroom

ALSO

tyran idk if it was you that said it

But when i got the infinite timereaver, was it you that said "It isn't that rare"
like 4 people in my guild were mad i got it

cause they have wanted it for a while

[royal lantern]

no i didnt

lol

im malding over that one

sitting at over 4k boss kills for it

[warm vortex]

Haha

Oh it's a great mount tbh

comfy

[royal lantern]

spammed TW like crazy for it during legion

[warm vortex]

X)

I just got it like

"Oh what's this"

[royal lantern]

when a max lvl character could literally 1hit kill bosses

saw it dropping 8x now

and still nothing

[warm vortex]

its like the tank in my guild doing their first ever run of Underrot and getting the mount thinking

"What the hell is this"

[spice spire]

You’re gonna make tryan have a menty b

[warm vortex]

Ok topic change

[spice spire]

Not actually

[warm vortex]

Ok

[spice spire]

Talk about how snd is good design

[warm vortex]

snd?

[spice spire]

Then we see the sparks fly

Slice and dice

[warm vortex]

seek n destroy?

Oh

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i wont

but make sure your windows are closed tonight

:3

[warm vortex]

What if i want you

inside my home

[spice spire]

He’s a taken man vend (I’m pretty sure, idk tryan’s life)

I’d invite tryan over for some tea or coffee tho

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

Btw

this gif is unrelated

I just find it funny

[subtle tundra]

5 deaths and almost timed, timer hella free

[dawn heath]

they have giga dam

my enhance does 900k less than jay

i did 200k less than casual

[subtle tundra]

those numbers prove our earlier discussion

he does more dmg when he plays with the other guy

[dawn heath]

yep

[subtle tundra]

and its irrelevant

to compare with him

[dawn heath]

tbh i didnt watch the run

he may have died at some bad point

[subtle tundra]

the dps difference is way too big for that to matter

[dawn heath]

but ye this is kinda intresting here are my dawn runs

u see one log is like considerably higher

thats a run when my shaman died on his ascendence twice

[subtle tundra]

wouldnt say considerably

[subtle tundra]

yeah ofc shaman not killing targets around prio mob in a pack means you do more dmg

more news at 12

woah my guild mates play today

gl @midnight mist

[midnight mist]

tyty varas

[subtle tundra]

youll need it considering the teams

[midnight mist]

its ok

[strange python]

@midnight mist outlaw tech today surely
Good luck

[midnight mist]

no

[subtle tundra]

who is fikinites

[royal lantern]

me

[subtle tundra]

oh its NA

lol...

zac is cooked

[midnight mist]

its ok varas

we win

[subtle tundra]

grimba in tgp

woah

[lethal heart]

i wanna play poe but i'm out there helping my brother move

@gusty mirage

[royal lantern]

how old is your brother

[warm vortex]

:o!

[hollow river]

pog

[lethal heart]

36

we are ancient

[royal lantern]

man, tell him to pay some movers instead

asking friends to pop their kneecaps at that age is criminal

[warm vortex]

Old people when they have to do work

Jk Jk

[strange python]

Is the tier set for rogues still bugged out? In the ptr?

[golden loom]

check the pins, its a bit fixed

[strange python]

Ahh okay sorry

[golden loom]

no worries fella

[strange python]

Just wondered if I was gonna dip my toe in the rogue pool for the 10th time and reminded how poop I am at it

[royal lantern]

it works

its just a stinky set, but it works

[warm vortex]

I just want a cool set that isn't just
"You deal x more damage"
at least ad a cool spin like
You get an additional bleed
Yes that's still just more damage, but at least it has falvour

[spice spire]

Bring back 9.2 tier

[proven jasper]

Yeah make a doomblade tier set

[warm vortex]

Give us an extra poison as a tierset

[final phoenix]

or like "The enemy has a chance to explode, causing nearby enemies to take 40% of the damage over time on your current target, over 3 seconds."

so we can bring some target dummies to raid and troll with infinite dmg

[golden loom]

just give us this but -1min cooldown on deathmark so it always lines up with kingsbane

[subtle tundra]

Look up convergence of fate

[warm vortex]

Search en passant

[whole snow]

holy hell

[warm vortex]

New reaction dropped

[final phoenix]

how about.. give us Fang of the Father
2 pieces: Your melee attacks have a chance to grant Shadows of the Destroyer, increasing your Agility by 128, stacking up to 50 times. Each application past 30 grants an increasing chance to trigger Fury of the Destroyer, which immediately grants 5 combo points and causes your finishing moves to generate 5 combo points. Lasts 6 sec.

i want my wings back lol

[subtle tundra]

Seems pointless

[final phoenix]

it's sexy

[proven jasper]

How about they do literally anything thats more than mastery%

[warm vortex]

Why don't they just bring back exanguinate as a passive or idk
Make your bleeds green and act as both nature damage and bleed

Yea

[golden loom]

that just sounds as boring as mastery

give procs that make buttons do different stuff or smthin

[proven jasper]

Remember when we had aoe envenom tier

That was kinda cool

[subtle tundra]

Was it

[proven jasper]

Not really but it was before we had spatter

[subtle tundra]

Was it

[proven jasper]

So it was atleast a difference from the norm

i thought so

Idk

what tf do i know

This tier set sucks ass

[subtle tundra]

I am your doubts and fears

[proven jasper]

Varas i’ll kiss you on the lips

Wont tell you which ones thouhh

[warm vortex]

No varas

your an asshole

According to you

at least

[proven jasper]

[final phoenix]

alright alright, how about something that reduces the CD of thistle tea?

[proven jasper]

God no

[warm vortex]

?

Then it won't line up with your windows

[subtle tundra]

Meow meow meow meow

[warm vortex]

Rn it's really nice because you can just bind it to shiv and ensure that it will be up for every KB and deathmark

[final phoenix]

like, if it reduces it to 15 sec per charge

[warm vortex]

So it still doesn't line up?

[final phoenix]

well... it would

but you could ALSO use outside of KB DM

dunno, would change the rota a bit

[hollow river]

DM cdr would go hard

like that vendetta legendary in sl iirc

[warm vortex]

Eh

Wouldn't that make it so you have to hold it to line up with KB

[final phoenix]

15 sec instead of 30 sec makes it you dont have to hold it...

[hollow river]

not if it just naturally lines up more or less

[warm vortex]

Fairs

I still think a 30sec/1min/2min is fine

It would be cool to change, but they could do other cooler things

[final phoenix]

well, i have yet to see a suggestion

[hollow river]

i just meant on a tier set or somethin

[warm vortex]

We have had like
Mutliple in the last dew minutes

Wdym

[warm vortex]

Yea true ture

I mean either way

we are juts going to get

[subtle tundra]

You mean the legion legendary

[warm vortex]

X has a chance to increase Ys damage

[final phoenix]

i mean, you've just said they all bad lol, but you didnt come up with anything

[hollow river]

naw idk jack about legion

[proven jasper]

Do a big demise tier set

[subtle tundra]

Shadowlands legendary was taken from legion

[warm vortex]

When did i say all the ideas were bad?

[subtle tundra]

Like master assassin and zoldyck

[warm vortex]

Also i have said brining back exang and a new posion could be a coold idea

[warm vortex]

Yooo

[final phoenix]

ah fair, wrong person

mb

[warm vortex]

Np big man <3

[final phoenix]

❤️

[proven jasper]

Execute tier

Pog

[final phoenix]

tbh, i was hoping this second set of tier to be about hero talents

like, why arent they exploring those instead of the spec

[warm vortex]

Less work to copy and paste the 2set for every class

[final phoenix]

yea... but at least they could have a way to play around the meta, so it fatebound COULD become viable

not that I care for it that much, but you get the idea

[warm vortex]

Tbh if they didn't fire like

90% of their workers

[final phoenix]

its as if it was 2 different game designers, in 2 different countries

[warm vortex]

they could probably make something good X)

[final phoenix]

yea..

le sigh

this reminds me i need to get back to work, ttyl 🙂

[warm vortex]

Cya

[subtle tundra]

streamerzone just did +2 18 and the rogue did "only" 3.05mil

[dawn heath]

its not only 3mil xddd

im saying we've seen higher numbers in the key

[subtle tundra]

and im saying its irrelevant as long as timer is fast

!

[dawn heath]

ye just have your shaman play better 4head

mine has never broke 3.1mil but i keep seeing those 3.6overall from other shamans

[subtle tundra]

my shaman is elemental he pops cds and eliminates the irrelevant mobs

[bronze pike]

i have a sin tierset for you guys

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Hit me

[bronze pike]

2pc: you now pulse toxic damage passively forever. everytime you use crimson tempest you pulse extra damage (1000ap) to your primary target (we recognize your complaints about not wanting to press envenom)

4pc: envenom is now a passive that activates when you press rupture. rupture gains all the benefits of envenom talents on the talent tree

5pc: evasion now has 1 minute less cd

[bronze pike]

ur just a hater

[spice spire]

True

[warm vortex]

We a.l know quake is the most toxic hater

Jk love you big dog

[spice spire]

No no

You’re cooking

[warm vortex]

Also shoutout to bliz bugging out the “pity the love food” achievement

Oh that emote is cool

Box :D

[warm vortex]

Also how you been

[spice spire]

Been doing well. Just busy with work. And stuff. How has the uni return been vend?

[warm vortex]

Been ok

Got a project i need to do in like 12 weeks

[marble hemlock]

quake is the most toxic lover too

[warm vortex]

Exactly

[spice spire]

Get it done early so you can chill homie

[spice spire]

You ain’t ever been with ur pops

[warm vortex]

Is what im doing

thinking of making a lil platformer "proof of concept" thing

Reminds me i need to email them about smth

also quake

IK i posted it already in sub

But what you think of this

Ik it's the scarecrow set

but i think the mask + fangs goes hard

[marble hemlock]

ye. that would be weird.

[spice spire]

Ye I see the vision

[warm vortex]

But is it good :D

[spice spire]

I think so

But I think we need a professional

[spice spire]

@normal mist king you’re needed

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

[digital spindle]

In ST if you have darkest night and rupture is in pandemic/about to drop, which do you prioritize?

[balmy condor]

darkest night

[spice spire]

DN envenom takes too prio iirc

[digital spindle]

So even if it costs some rupture downtime, okay cool Ty

[spice spire]

The actual answer is you can play around it to fix this

[balmy condor]

yeh

it shouldn't cost rupture downtime

cause you can just like

not

but if you must, darkest night is the prio

[digital spindle]

How do you play around it? Assume I am doing many things wrong

[balmy condor]

well like in your situation, you have darkest night but rupture is in pandemic or about to drop

why didn't you rupture on your previous finisher then

[digital spindle]

In that scenario could it have been not in pandemic af that time

[spice spire]

Yeah if you’re suffering on energy

[balmy condor]

okay

[spice spire]

Why not just hold

[balmy condor]

so if it wasn't in pandemic

then you have time

[spice spire]

The previous envenom

Until pandemic

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice spire]

Then send and get the dn finisher after

[balmy condor]

like if it's not in pandemic then you have like 8 seconds to cast the darkest night envenom and get your rupture, which isn't an issue

if it is in pandemic then your previous finisher should've just been the rupture in the first place

[warm vortex]

What if my enemy just has like

Super healing

and they decide to suddenly close their bleed wound

[spice spire]

Like. We aren’t swimming in st energy at a certain point, you can play around things like that. Also that’s not to say I’ve never had this exact thing happen

Because I’m an ape

But I could have done it better

[warm vortex]

No you are quake

who the fuck is "an ape"

[spice spire]

I’m built like an ape irl

[digital spindle]

I am worse than ape, appreciate the info, I will try and improve around this

[normal mist]

I was summoned

[warm vortex]

Personally i'm build more like a human being

[runic hinge]

I have had it happen but now I try to not let it cause every time I’m at 1 stack I look and see my rupture timer basically

[balmy condor]

hi built like an ape irl

[spice spire]

Ty

[warm vortex]

You speak like one too

Jk

love you king

[spice spire]

Mog review

[digital spindle]

Yeah that is what I will need to do @runic hinge

[spice spire]

You summon me for the log reviews

I summon you for the mog reviews

[warm vortex]

And i get summoned for the

Uhh

Hog reviews

because pigs are cute

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

check dms?

[warm vortex]

[spice spire]

Check dms

[spice surge]

Hogchamp

[warm vortex]

I meant the animal

[normal mist]

Vendeten mog is pretty (full set ) colorful.

[warm vortex]

Thanks

It's just a premade set but with the fart mask

Instead of the scarecrow head

[balmy condor]

checking

[spice spire]

Yeah dry as the Sahara I bet you fucking nerd

I know this is a lie

So I don’t feel bad

[warm vortex]

What does your mog look like crn

[balmy condor]

self reflection goes hard

[warm vortex]

Also here have anopther one (That's literally just a premade set)

[spice spire]

If I did self reflection it would not be good

[balmy condor]

#transmog would rip you to shreds

[hollow river]

I signed up to do dog reviews

[balmy condor]

I've had 4 therapists in a row go over everything and then hit me with the "okay but if you've thought about this so deeply why are you here"

[spice spire]

#1146207476983812117

[warm vortex]

As if this chat doesn't do that to my poor body already

[spice spire]

Damn my therapist was just like “hey buddy what the fuck”

[balmy condor]

woah woah woah hold on, sorry

you said you're poor?

get out

[warm vortex]

I would leave the sever as a joke and rejoin

But i am so sleepy rn

Speaking of

[spice spire]

It’s okay whispyr will kick you

[spice spire]

Source: it’s already happened to me like 5 times?

[balmy condor]

with my mouth

[warm vortex]

Should i:
Go to sleep
Run through sethekk halls 13 more times to try for the mount

[spice spire]

Need not want

[spice spire]

Sleep

[warm vortex]

Blud is build like an alaskan bull worm

No

I have work tomorrow, which can wait

[hollow river]

<insert xalatath feet gif>

[warm vortex]

It's not like other people's safety depends on me

We back on feet again

[spice spire]

God so fucking real

I’m not even into it but I think the grippies will get me

[balmy condor]

you had one of those but instead of locking in and getting the taylor swift vinyl you fumbled

[balmy condor]

get it together quakimus

[subtle tundra]

hi

[spice spire]

Dog today ain’t the day to remind

She just cold messaged me with a selfie like an hour ago

Like ?

[balmy condor]

dog what

[warm vortex]

Quake the type of guy to say he aint into it
Then drag his nuts through a mile of broken glass to get a single taste of a toe

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m not crazy for saying “?” Right?

[spice spire]

Okay real unfortunately

[balmy condor]

isn't that like the first time y'all have talked in months

thats her opener?

[spice spire]

Since Christmas yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh that's wild

[normal mist]

Full set bloodfang right now my friend. But you can check my cooks

[spice spire]

Yeah I don’t get her and I was with her for almost a decade. Responding later but FUCK

[balmy condor]

hi king

I'd let you poisoned knife me

[normal mist]

This was my best cook recently

[warm vortex]

Pog

I just like

put a shirt on, some shorts

and call it a day

[normal mist]

But only really works on nelf

[balmy condor]

you gotta respond back with a gym selfie and just put a caption on there "working on myself cause you wouldn't work on us"

[spice spire]

Nah

[warm vortex]

also @spice spire

never forget

[spice spire]

I’m not scrolling through my favorites to do this again

[balmy condor]

okay how bout a gym selfie with a full squat

no context just cheeks out

[spice spire]

From the back? So she can see the dump she’s missing?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[spice spire]

Absolutely

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/vocaloid-creepy-scary-mouth-open-hollow-eyes-gif-17647731

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bee-bruh-gif-4580763730124008555

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666157779534217220/1337281226142126130/penits.gif

[balmy condor]

I'm so glad I made that a gif

[royal lantern]

which one

[spice spire]

Same dude

[hollow river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1328386289053208636/caption.gif

[spice spire]

I’m not even mad that I got cooked mega hard with it

[balmy condor]

the last one

that's a legit grinder dm one of our friends got

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110397160006094909/1301660997743804536/1725032670240239.png?ex=67a7ce45&is=67a67cc5&hm=eb36b06ce7cc5bbd59656a964f33f28bea0773cf15ca6506fc11cf888239f328&

[balmy condor]

what does that mean for mmos

[warm vortex]

More feet

Also whispyr

[marble hemlock]

ngl

reading back this chat

is a treat

[warm vortex]

I was looking through my camera roll and found a historic event

[marble hemlock]

i love the spec i chose

[marble hemlock]

only the second best YT comment on a whispyr video tho

[balmy condor]

god damnit

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-your-home-adress-i-have-your-ip-address-meme-your-mom-gif-24871317

[hearty reef]

...

the xalatoes........

[warm vortex]

For the feet rotation right

[balmy condor]

lock in nik not like this

[marble hemlock]

nah, cuz it has an unhinged community

but in a good way

the assmaster yt comment is still the goat imo

[warm vortex]

Imagine if some dude walks in here, first time guy here and wants to ask about his rota with caustic splatter as his 8th source of damage

[warm vortex]

Ok?

So do I?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-crab-delicious-strawberry-snacking-gif-16719471

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-anime-anime-girl-pink-hearts-gif-2499202490593758259

[warm vortex]

I’m literally just mister autism

[balmy condor]

you're a boy?

we can change that

[marble hemlock]

john autism at our service?

[warm vortex]

It’s me John autism

[balmy condor]

wait

are you older than 18

[warm vortex]

Yes I’m 19

[balmy condor]

okay

we can change that

wait

[marble hemlock]

they wouldnt post nsfw react gifs if they werent

[balmy condor]

the boy thing

not the age

[warm vortex]

[balmy condor]

this is a catastrophic fumble

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[marble hemlock]

almost the same, fwiw

[warm vortex]

Hol on I got something even worse

Never mind I’m not posting it

I just reread it

[balmy condor]

banger

[warm vortex]

And I can’t post it and delete it, cause it will be in that deleted chat as like a criminal record

[spice spire]

I hardly know er

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078500556139659357/1266583932426653826/attachment.gif

[radiant raven]

Dinosaurs are cool

[warm vortex]

I remeber when the thistle tea changed was shown and people were hating it

Like the auto use thing
Tbh i dislike it but I remember being like
“Oh it’s the wise thing every!!!!1!

[spice surge]

Theres still people that are vehemently angry about it

[warm vortex]

How people thought auto drink tea would feel

[warm vortex]

Tbh I’d prefer it not to be a thing. But it barely effects it

[balmy condor]

I don't even notice it anymore I'm ngl

[ebon quiver]

Tbh auto-tea brought me back to rogue, worrying about maximizing tea all the time stressed me out

[golden loom]

Best change was slice and dice, fuck slice and dice

[spice surge]

All my homies hate pressing slice and dice

[warm vortex]

Yea

[warm vortex]

Also, feint being Off the GCD

[iron carbon]

Best improvement tbh

[buoyant herald]

yeah that was goated

[iron carbon]

I'm pressing it on cd

[warm vortex]

I wonder if that dude who kept saying you should never press feint ever as it’s a dps loss would agre….

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they didn't mean that

that's been a running meme for like a decade now

[gilded oasis]

I still press it

[balmy condor]

yeah, he said all his homies

[gilded oasis]

oh

ok

I see

[balmy condor]

yeah.

[spice surge]

Do you feel happiness rushing through yours veins when the buff shows up

[normal mist]

I love him I'm gay for him

[balmy condor]

did you know he's the reason I decided to color my hair

[normal mist]

Bro

[gilded oasis]

nah I dont track the buff. I just use it when im done with a fight and have cp left and I know theyre gonna disapear

[normal mist]

I listen to his podcast every week

Distractible

[warm vortex]

Dude same

When I’m skinning/herbing/mining

[normal mist]

Bob wade and mark are legit one of the best combos

Ever

[warm vortex]

True

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[warm vortex]

[humble verge]

uh, you can pickup quest while leveling and still get lvl 80 rewards when you hit lvl 80 even tho youve basically "done" it pre-80 and turn it in?

[balmy condor]

I believe so ye

rewards scale on turn-in not accept

[humble verge]

yea

what i thought

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/girafficonical-onion-crab-gif-26865858

[balmy condor]

same

[thorn thorn]

He has such good manners

[humble verge]

wait wtf

[humble verge]

these 2 are different sadge

gotta do 5 more

[brave comet]

ive noticed kingsbane sometimes dropping during duration for some reason

is this like a known bug?

[balmy condor]

never heard of it

[granite skiff]

Is there a specific addon that makes a noise when rupture and garrote is about to drop?

[uneven plume]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamining-class-tuning-on-11-1-ptr-build-58999-369802?utm_source=discord-webhook

rogue dodged tuning again

they reverted awakening storms back to 3 again

[tall atlas]

hero track spyglass + skardyns on queen or sacbrood?

skardyns and sac myth

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher

[tall atlas]

for ST

?

[uneven plume]

sim patchwork 5mins

and youll see

[tall atlas]

i know what it will be was jw

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tall atlas]

bloodmallet says that spymasters is better on 3 targets

[uneven plume]

it will most likely be myth sac

[balmy condor]

queen is just single target and pad

adds explode

[tall atlas]

ye cool ty

[balmy condor]

fuck them boys

[tall atlas]

cool cool

ive been jebaiting myself using sac in m+

should be using spyglass

[uneven plume]

crystal better than both

[tall atlas]

ye?

[uneven plume]

according to my sims

hero crystal better than spyglass and sac

it has a good uptime

but sim anyways

[tall atlas]

nice

[uneven plume]

my stat spread might be diff than yours

[tall atlas]

i dont have the crystal infort

unfort

[uneven plume]

ez farm

just spam 10s

[tall atlas]

ye but if im gonna use it id want it to be myth

so only like 3 weeks left to get it

[uneven plume]

thats up to the gods

at that point

[tall atlas]

ya true

[uneven plume]

i got mythic grace 2nd week of season

havent seen a myth trinket since last week

took a whole season for me to get a second myth track trinket in vault

pepega

[tall atlas]

ffs thats rough

oof i just noticed my skardyns is actually hero track ew

[uneven plume]

cooked

[tall atlas]

i might need to start using transmitter 🤮

[uneven plume]

still good tho

is it myth?

[uneven plume]

thats big

[tall atlas]

belongs in the bags

fucking shit trinket

[uneven plume]

bugging

that trinket is insane

[tall atlas]

i hate the collct the bullshit bullshit

esp rn im progging queen and its safe to use on the first liquefy and using after pushes cds back a couple seconds so i dont get decent kb uptime on the shield

its not a fun time

[uneven plume]

its safe to use everywhere

[tall atlas]

is it

[balmy condor]

I use transmitter just fine

also what kb uptime on shield

[tall atlas]

lol i know

it so sad

[balmy condor]

we pressing kb on shield?

[tall atlas]

do you wait until after the pools to use cds then

[balmy condor]

on pull you just do your standard opener and then again when it comes up idk

it's on cd

[tall atlas]

fs ur meant to be the guy

[balmy condor]

idk what to say, cds on cd works fine

[tall atlas]

yeah cds on cd

kb on shield when the cd comes up

after 2nd wrest

[balmy condor]

oh that shield

in p2

not the intermission shield

[tall atlas]

no thats the intermission shield

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean p2 is fucked

forget that

[tall atlas]

think i was told to do it there so you get both back on the phat 2nd plat add during p2 without losing a kb cast

[marble hemlock]

depends on what portal you get assigned to

[tall atlas]

think im on 3rd platform

[marble hemlock]

rogue does kinda meh damage on 2nd plat regardless, so theyre typically sent into portal there

(meh damage compared to warriors/dh blasting)

[red schooner]

biggest annoyance for me on queen at the moment is deathstalkers mark still being on queen when the shield ends

[spice surge]

You can rupture her while shes immune

[red schooner]

I didn't think about that

[spice surge]

Obviously not ideal as youre not doing any damage to the adds

But better to send 1 rupture than to lose your mark

[red schooner]

tbf i need to manage the mark better but intermission can be hectic and then i leave mark up on queen

so, skill issue on my end

[brave comet]

youre not supposed to use CDs on shield in intermission?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

Assa does fuckall on the platforms either way

[brave comet]

thats what i thought i just use it on shield cause im not gonna use DM entirely in p2

[spice surge]

If you need more shield damage, send into shield

[red schooner]

So that's why I'm being used for portals

[spice surge]

If not then donrt

[solar wyvern]

hello friends

confirm for me

Feint does not work reactively on putrid waters, gotta be a prefeint yes?

[balmy condor]

yes

[solar wyvern]

ty for settling an argument for me 🙂

[thorn thorn]

Afaik its most DRs that just dont work unless preused

[tawdry halo]

Is it ever dynamic?

E.g if you have a dot and you cast feint just after it casts on you?

[keen spruce]

i fkin told u this

every day

who's arguin about it

[thorn thorn]

Rarely probably

Warriors cant spell reflect putrid waters when its mid flight

[proper holly]

I'm running an ST sim droptomizer and Siphoning Stiletto keeps popping up for me

this is just crit/mastery 636 5 min ST

does anyone actually use this weapon? ive never seen it mentioned

[rotund oak]

its mentioned on the guide

but who reads that anyway

[thorn thorn]

Wowhead guide is sus

[static glacier]

don't let whispyr hear you

[noble vault]

is ass still the best spec for raid in 11.1?

[tawdry halo]

can't know until tuning passes happen

roll a dice

give you the same answer

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr at this point probably already knows im a shit poster

[tawdry halo]

wow thanks blizzard, very cool

[thorn thorn]

I think its a universal thing across the game since most casts hit you instantly or nearly instantly when they go off

[solar wyvern]

shaman who doesnt believe me lol

[thorn thorn]

It just happens to be noticable on that boss cuz you have approx 2 billion years before the debuff hits you after its cast

[thorn thorn]

This is painfully easy to verify by spending like 30 seconds and looking at logs

[keen spruce]

CALL HIM A SLUR