assassination

[bronze pike]

so not playing to much

[rotund oak]

like playing retail rn is idk,maybe wanna do keys with the few ppl to push that io or raid with homies

game is annoying to play idk

[bronze pike]

it be like that

[wary shadow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dawn seal]

:> thanks

gonna adopt a new one soon I am movin out in 1-2 months

thank u :>

[dawn seal]

raiding with people is annoying

correct

[earnest remnant]

raiding with people is the only redeeming quality this game has

[subtle tundra]

e sex too

[manic quartz]

is there any order the Transmitter task come or is it random?

[balmy condor]

random

[manic quartz]

shit

[twin aurora]

Is Sureki Zealot's Insignia bis in hc?

[normal mist]

Sim angle

[midnight mist]

whospar

what are numbers on assa tier set im curious

[balmy condor]

yeah that's correct, forgot about that one thanks

[balmy condor]

bad

[midnight mist]

solid number

[balmy condor]

it's been barely functional

what am I supposed to do about that

[midnight mist]

sim it in your head

[balmy condor]

you just want me to pull numbers out of my ass or what

[midnight mist]

ya

idk i can do it for outlaw tier i just assumed

outlaw tier is simpler maybe

simpler interactions i mean

[balmy condor]

I mean I can

it's just a pain in the ass

but I can make some shit up

[winged sun]

i think the tier may be good if it just doesnt take all the stacks

compared to s1

[ancient rain]

Are we using the ring mastery bug or are we good people?

[subtle tundra]

what bug

huh

can you like snapshot the increase effect from mastery

[ancient rain]

Maybe

[balmy condor]

in single target roughly 3% for 2pc, 4pc roughly 0.3%

[balmy condor]

this is so insanely hard to actually abuse

for such little gain

I don't think anyone is actually doing it

the snapshot resets on death, zone change, or item change

so like if you're gonna do it properly, you need to sit there, trinket+potion, wait 5 min for them to come back off cd

then pull

wipe

repeat

no ones crazy enough for that

doesn't even work in m+ cause putting the key in resets it

[iron carbon]

Boyz, finally got that shit !

[balmy condor]

big

[iron carbon]

Didn't drop once in hc

for 4 months

Finally got it in vault, lovely Dopamin source

[dawn seal]

woooo

[midnight mist]

thats bad

[balmy condor]

You didn’t believe me the first time

Turns out a 4 second proc that happens 20% of the time 15% of the time

Kinda booty cheeks

But that’s the assa way

2 piece is just a shitty whatever mastery buff

4 piece is some absolute nonsense

Unironically though if it wasn’t for master assassin raid build would be dropping improved garrote next patch

Master assassin holdin it down atm

[subtle tundra]

hold these?

🥜

[dawn heath]

4th week in a row 💀

[supple spindle]

hey guys, im curious what music streaming platform do you use and why?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Spotify cause idk it’s good, gf uses youtube music though she’s a bit of a psycho

[bronze pike]

YouTube for me

[dawn heath]

speed upgrade

[balmy condor]

Sometimes she can’t find songs on there

[bronze pike]

I have ad blocker

[supple spindle]

ye i use yt music too purely because yt premium includes yt music free

and i thought meybe its time to try something else

[midnight mist]

spotify discover weekly is goated imo

[supple spindle]

because spotify is cleeean

especially desktop app

the main thing im pissed about is library transfer

[broken chasm]

Does anyone have macro dm+trinket+tempered poiton? He looked on the Internet but none of them work?

[supple spindle]

because i've been on yt for 3-4 years already

[midnight mist]

/cast dm
/use tempered whatever pot
/use trinketname

[broken chasm]

doesn't work

I tried

[supple spindle]

you need to spam it

[midnight mist]

no you dont

its all off gcd

[brave comet]

this is a sim sidegrade on everything except the egg, how do you guys balance the egg?

[supple spindle]

well, possibly, but i still spam the shit out of it for good measure

[brave comet]

right now im between the egg or the socket

[midnight mist]

Make sure you put it in both stealth and non stealth bar

[broken chasm]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 14
/use item:212265
/cast Deathmar

[midnight mist]

Make sure you use the English names if you are using an English client

[broken chasm]

works

[midnight mist]

Make sure you delete that last deathmark?

Cause idk why it's there

And it's mispelled

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/13dfVwNmAkGQjc6Y?fight=27&type=damage-done can anyone view this log or is my country fucking me up again

it doesnt load for me

[brave comet]

doesnt for me either

[dawn seal]

does anyone know why can this happen

🤔

[radiant raven]

Not loading for me, either.

[dawn seal]

does anyone know why can this happen it was logged by someone else

🤔

[ancient rain]

Maybe he forgot to close log for the entire patch

[dawn seal]

I was able to

[radiant raven]

Probably a handful of reasons. Corrupted log, something on WarcraftLogs side breaking, something funny happening, who knows

[dawn seal]

view it

last 2 days I cant

[radiant raven]

Swapped to private?

[dawn seal]

ah my god

I am gonna be mad

let me ask

[earnest remnant]

no idea, but wclog themselves might know better than we do

so should prolly just ask them

instead

[dawn seal]

ooo

oka

[warm vortex]

Actually playing the love is in the air event and enjoying it

Is this what it feels like to have fun in wow

Also get 16 shots a day at the love rocket

[earnest remnant]

dunno, anything outside of raiding makes me wanna shoot myself

[warm vortex]

Even trash pandas?

[supple spindle]

amen, log on just to try for this god forsaken rocket

and it's not even pretty

[warm vortex]

I also want the gas mask tbh

Just checking

the boss drops it

[supple spindle]

i've got 6 masks and i can't even find a tmog to use it with

[warm vortex]

so i kill him and loot

that's it?
Ah mood

Also what level you gotta be to do the dungeon

[rotund oak]

welcome to wow,can be very cool can be very annoying,retail is the later this time around

[dawn seal]

I wonder if I would flame my team mates if I was raiding with 20 of myself

what would u guys do

[golden loom]

no cause I am perfect and the best

[dawn seal]

if u are raiding with a clone of urself

[normal mist]

Depends what they mean for you

[dawn seal]

20 clones

🤔

@golden loom would u get cutting edge every season

[normal mist]

I raid with no so good mechanically people but they are friends so idm

[dawn seal]

oh

yeah

I feel like raiding is kinda about the vibes

of ur group

[normal mist]

100%

[golden loom]

cutting edge?

world first

[dawn seal]

ooooo

damn

clone tihs man

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[earnest remnant]

just dont flame people period

we are all here for the same reason (i hope) so ofc they arent making mistakes on purpose

[warm vortex]

Again wanna make sure
I just loot it from him right
It's not from the dungeon finder rewad or anything

Also let's go

it gave me 3 alloy bars due to res aswell

[dawn seal]

it was ajoke I actually dont really flame poeple

I dont condone the behaviour sorry

😭

[earnest remnant]

[golden loom]

I only flame people cause I am a bad person

[warm vortex]

Im used to customers being rude to me at work so i just dont mind when people flame

Ok i do mind

but not as much as i would

[subtle tundra]

im just an asshole

[warm vortex]

We know

[pliant remnant]

Bruh

84 runs of Grim Batol just to buy it for 200k from an ele shaman

and now it gives me Myth Skardyn's on both my main and the second rogue I'm gearing

Why so late BlizZORD

[normal mist]

Desire sensor

[fathom flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/US/Frostmourne/Orrockk?boss=2921

Hey @balmy condor i just wanted you yo know that thanks to your advice i improved my dps on silken court, highest log yet

📈

[warm vortex]

Genuinly thought you had like 300+

[pliant remnant]

Nah I woulda just been lost to despair like at least 150 runs before that

[fathom flax]

(its a meme click the link)

[radiant raven]

Big fan of that guild name

[lavish geyser]

Has rogue gotten any significant change in the ptr?

[earnest remnant]

no

[lavish geyser]

Does assa need changes?

[earnest remnant]

depends on who you ask

[warped root]

some lucky bastards will make us look good next tier

4 piece is mostly more like a fail safe to our 10 stacks from what it feels

the strong point of the 4 piece is prob that you have a chance to jump from 1 stack to 10 immediatly

atleast it can work right ?

or would we lose the 10 stacks and get returned to what ever stack we were on before ?

[static glacier]

Low-key

Sin doesn’t need changes

It’s fine

[royal lantern]

personal opinion: nerf spatter/ct/envenom, buff rupture and garrote

and make desthstalker application something else then stealth ambush

yes it doesnt matter 99% of the time, but when it matters, it feels soooo bad

[static glacier]

Would be nice if they made it impossible to not apply mark

Doesn’t really change much other than edge cases where stuff goes v wrong

[royal lantern]

like, its 100% passive

until court where its suddenly kinda cringe

[static glacier]

The whole gameplay around DN is enough

[static glacier]

Had it be cringe on last week’s queen kill, had to take 2nd plat portal

I had like 3-5s to use DN on the add before it died on other plat or it would drop and I’d have no mark for like 40s

Yknow what would be fun, if sin’s ST didn’t suck in dungeon build

Both gameplay and performance

[viral spire]

Ansurek intermission sends regards

Tfw she fucks off with your 2 stacks on her

[spice surge]

Shes still there, you can continue to hit her

But ye ideally you shouldnt need to

[viral spire]

You can’t

She is immune she doesn’t let you take back your remaining stacks

[spice surge]

You can

Just rupture

[viral spire]

You need to vanish and apply it on platform 2 in p2 add

[static glacier]

You don’t use vanish to apply to p1 adds?

(I don’t play MA)

[viral spire]

Not sure if rupture works, but I was not able to take off my remaining stacks

[spice surge]

It does

[viral spire]

You play imp garrote regardless no?

[spice surge]

If you dont play MA no point playing imp garrote on ST

Stinky talent

[static glacier]

I’m a CT enjoyer on Queen

[viral spire]

Wait no you play CT without MA

[static glacier]

Don’t run any gar extras

[viral spire]

Then it really doesn’t matter yeah

But p1 add? What?

Oh ye wait you can do that if you aren’t vanishing with DM fair

[static glacier]

We hold dps on the dudes on queens platform that knock you

[viral spire]

With MA its cringe as fuck tho

[static glacier]

So I vanish p1 adds

[static glacier]

Yep, also p3 CT cranks

[viral spire]

It doesn’t - fuck warriors

[static glacier]

Especially since we never have small adds in spatter range + the caster dudes get wrecked by CT

[viral spire]

We have too much cleave in our raid adds melt really fast

[static glacier]

Respect

[viral spire]

Hence I played MA couldn’t get noticable dot time on CT

[static glacier]

A bunch of fights are just add pad logwise

Rash, ovi, court (be on blue team too) and queen

I’m kinda happy to get to next tier already

[fathom flax]

sin is fine, deathstalker needs a QOL change i think

[lavish geyser]

That is my opinion too. But i dont know the details of assa. I just play, cause its good. If they get a nice tierset that is all that matters i think

[clever sapphire]

well imo, fatebound is just nonexistent so 1 dead hero tree (even if it sims higher on pure ST), and i would much prefer if bleeds mattered in aoe and not just "spread bleeds so you can infinite spatter"

[stone eagle]

what's CT and MA? im new to rogue, sry

[supple spindle]

isn't CT kinda huge in AOE?

[nova aspen]

i think as long as singular focus is a talent, fatebound will never be worth

[subtle tundra]

nah

[nova aspen]

funnel is just superior to padding in all scenarios is it not?

[supple spindle]

hi varas

[subtle tundra]

as long as fatebound doesnt have a capstone, it will never be worth in m+

hi

[clever sapphire]

i mean it is, but the fact that rupture exist for energy, and garrote doesnt really exist outside of IC windows is kinda meh

like CT i press once every X seconds in aoe and call it a day

dont even need to think about it

[nova aspen]

even if they give it a good capstone i still dont see it

unless the good capstone is a funnel

[clever sapphire]

i mean its never gonna happen, but i would love if internal bleeding was good in aoe

[supple spindle]

i mean, that's the point of dot spec, nah? keep your dots ticking and do braindead stuff meanwhile

[foggy coyote]

MA is master assassin, CT crimson tempest I assume

[spice surge]

His point is that rupture and garrotes dont matter enough

[clever sapphire]

aye, i would love it if i could show skill by spreading my dots properly in aoe

[spice surge]

Or rather, they dont do much damage, they just give energy for caustic

[stone eagle]

ty

[royal lantern]

yeha

like, dont need to change mechanics, just re-arrange the dmg

CT is overtuned anyway

stupid dmg for a single button press

[spice surge]

The fact that its close to being worth to press on pure ST despite the increased damage per target is quite silly indeed

[normal mist]

CT crimson tempest
MA master assassin

Oh I'm late

[golden loom]

deathmark kingsbane and 10 envenoms on 1 guy to spatter
1 lil crimson tempest 😎

[royal lantern]

excatly lol

the % increase is literally there to make it valuable in aoe but bad on ST

and then they made the base dmg so high that its VERY close to be used on ST anyway lol

[spice surge]

It was worth until the tier set got buffed and envenom did 10% more

[iron carbon]

Oh speaking of it, under shiv, better refresh CT or Envenom?

Depends of target counts or always better keep ct up?

[spice surge]

In aoe absolutely CT

Shiv doesnt increase spatter damage

Like shiv is barely worth pressing on aoe outside of kb

[iron carbon]

Oh really?

I used to press on cd

Tbh

[golden loom]

the target you shiv takes 30% more nature damage, you dont deal 30% more

[iron carbon]

Yeah, ikr

Unless I wanna full prio target, always keep CT up

[vivid seal]

unless your playing AP

[spice surge]

Just always CT

[golden loom]

even then you always keep ct up

[spice surge]

Shouldnt let ct drop

[iron carbon]

That's my biggest dps loss I think

I need to work on that

[agile wedge]

leave my herotalent alone!

[vivid seal]

how do you guys sim for keys? since Dslice sucks, is it just like 4 target 2min

[golden loom]

just dungeonslice it up

[iron carbon]

DSlice sucks but this is the best we got

So, DSlice

[vivid seal]

hmm i thought it was useless

ill give it a try

[royal lantern]

why does dslice suck lol

maybe for warlocks cus the dont do shit for their API

[strange sleet]

Isn't there a way with MDT to import your route to simC or something like that?

[clever sapphire]

dslice is actually pretty good for rogue when it comes to m+ sims

[clever sapphire]

i mean, flipping coins isnt a hero tree im sorry to say

[vivid seal]

I remember asking a couple of times and people recomended not using Dslice

[clever sapphire]

wait in this discord?

[vivid seal]

yeah a while ago

[clever sapphire]

[strange sleet]

what's ur objective tho?

@vivid seal

[clever sapphire]

sounds like something i would hear from m+ only crazy guys

dslice is perfectly fine

[vivid seal]

simming for keys mainly

dude I love Dslice , makes my life easier

[strange sleet]

but what is ur objective?

[clever sapphire]

if you arent going for rank 1 keys with fully planned cooldowns and whatnot, use dslice

[royal lantern]

sounds like 1 of THOSE "M+ mains" over in the outlaw channel

[vivid seal]

getting title, we are like 20 points off

yeah

[spice surge]

Its absolutely not 4 targets 2 min

[royal lantern]

rogue has full dslice Support sincd forecer

iirc the first class to had it fully functional

[vivid seal]

I thought it was an outlaw only thing, but we love this !

[nova aspen]

4 targets 2 min

[spice surge]

Its like 1:30-2 minutes of a boss and then roughly 8 targets on average for the remaining 4 minutes

But its random so sometimes its 20s of 4 targets, some its 40s of 6 targets etc

[royal lantern]

aka, like m+ is aswell

[strange sleet]

Dslice is good to sim items. But is not good if you wanna know the overall you will do in a dungeon

[royal lantern]

what

[iron carbon]

Bro, this server got the goatest theorycrafter I know.

Main reason is a pleasure to play

[royal lantern]

dungeon overall is allready a meme

[iron carbon]

Cause you can get every data you need and every tools are updated

[royal lantern]

my dungeon Overall is higher because i used some insane hidden tech (augvoker+pi on me)

[clever sapphire]

the forbidden tech, externals

tryan abusing

[iron carbon]

I just wanna say thanks to the ppl making it possible 🥰

[royal lantern]

we love them

[golden loom]

I play 1 tank 3 healer me as solo dps dungeons for overall pad 😎

[strange sleet]

It's like everything. Overall it's relative to the specific circumstances of ur group in a specific dungeon. But it's a good indicator of things with the appropriate context

[iron carbon]

Yes and no

I don't think I'm able to deal 2m5 overall on SoB

But sim the key run (if still possible) would be more accurate

[golden loom]

siege is good for 1 thing and its the music

[iron carbon]

Can't agree more

[royal lantern]

siege is good for watching the tank run ahead to stop the gunners before they finish the first cast of it and die

[golden loom]

and then they write xd

[iron carbon]

Or the cast not finishing and you get kill anyway

Spaghetti code

[radiant raven]

I once had a guy decide the best spot to stop and flame someone in the group was the first death tunnel

so he insulted a mage and then immediately died

I love those gunners

[gusty mirage]

I just wanna say thanks to you for playing rogue

how about that?!

[dapper cradle]

Oxi when quake’s not around: 😇

Oxi when quake is around:

[royal lantern]

Oxi at work

[humble verge]

i think imma try out sub for next reclear on sunday

surely it will go well

[dapper cradle]

Sub is supposed to bang for court and queen

[humble verge]

[dapper cradle]

Got a 3 on silken last night

🔥💪🏻🥴

[humble verge]

ive died on both reclears

[dapper cradle]

We had a blue guy dc and get spiked

[humble verge]

i cba the fight in general

[dapper cradle]

You can barely see their color when they get spiked

And he didn’t comms anything

So I just ran into him like a goober

That fight sucks

[humble verge]

only thing i really struggle at

is the left-right or forward drag

cause i know what im supposed to do

but still do the opposite

[dapper cradle]

Yeee you just gotta have a good rl calling it honestly

I was trolling and going diagonally a few pulls lolol

[humble verge]

oh we do

im just me

[warm vortex]

Is the infinite timereaver rare?

[final haven]

Bois

Have a problem

i have hero track egg already

but this one is myth

but in the other hand skardyn grace is bis

but its hero

[spice spire]

I take the myth

[warm vortex]

Yea

[spice spire]

You can farm hero skardyns

[warm vortex]

grace is farmable

Omg jynx

Also hru quakle

[spice spire]

Feeling good

[warm vortex]

I, for some reason, have an urge to level one of my many lv 7 alts

[spice spire]

Got ten hours of sleep woke up and did my early workout + some of my late night reps

Gonna be a good day

[warm vortex]

first boss of a TW dungeon dropped infinite time weaver

Idk how rare it is

[spice spire]

I am currently gearing 4 toons

For some reason

[fallow canopy]

its rare

[spice spire]

Pretty rare but I’ve seen it a lot

[warm vortex]

Still poseworthy

[final haven]

so take egg, and then replace deadeye spyglass with skardyn if farmed?

[fallow canopy]

its like super shit drop rate but since every tw boss has a % it balances out ig

[final haven]

or keep egg and deadeye and do not be worry about skardyn?

[spice spire]

Skardyn v good for us

Would take over spy

[final haven]

okok

gonna do like that then

[rotund oak]

is that a shovel?

[warm vortex]

Perhpas

[urban iron]

queen ring on mythic, will still be viable next tier?

[dapper cradle]

Prolly for a few ilvls

But it’ll get outscaled most likely by ilvl once you start getting heroic gear

There’s really nothing in the current gearing rotation that will be giga enough to stick around for a long time

Except for the siren ring, but blizz said it’s intended

[timid bramble]

I did it guys. 97-99 ilvl parses .

Thanks for all your guidance.

I'm sure I'll have more to ask lol

[rotund oak]

definitely a shovel 😂

[warm vortex]

It is

Incase i need a dig hole

[warm vortex]

Also hows it going sap

[normal mist]

I'm sorry to tell you those actually mean nothing

[timid bramble]

Thank you 👍

Ok. 77 parses at ilvl 612

Better?

😂

[normal mist]

But they are good for ego boosting

That sounds really good yeah

[timid bramble]

Super fun in raid

But M+ is my fav

Excited to see if it'll be a main alt for next season.

[rotund oak]

better,im pretty much done,jsut waiting my bloodscan and im gone

how about you

[heady elbow]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[dawn seal]

GUYS VAULT TIEM

OO

OMG

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/28gmnhscwFqHQrgaxxTasS can someone say if I am simming correctly

I am so dumb

please

I accidently simmed it with

crimson tempest

[golden loom]

is this simming for ovi or why do you have CT

[dawn seal]

yeah

LMAO

ehh

I progged ovi before log out

forgot about it

does it change anything

🤔

[golden loom]

[nova aspen]

im doing inventory at work and one of the inventory locations is MA

naturally, only one thing comes to mind

[dawn seal]

master assasin

u need to assasinate the person who did this

natural

just business

[nova aspen]

i shall envenom thee

[dawn seal]

en venom

deez

okay actually dont

thats bad

[nova aspen]

[cloud basin]

Could my dps on Queen be bad because I forget to either hold my 2nd vanish or use my mark up on Queen? I go into add phase without it and its usually up P3

Like it's still a blue parse, but I know it could be better is all

We don't talk about my mythic parses though😂😅

[harsh anchor]

Go back in time

[normal kindle]

Is Leech good for rogue?

[slate crown]

Why would it be different on rogue than on other classes?

[dawn seal]

hey

I am planning to stream my raid tonight on kick but I am having some bitrate fluctuations

is there a way to help that by using more hardware stuff

🤔

[royal lantern]

the serios answer

leech is a meme stat for everything except healers

[spice spire]

Hardwired to your internet source

[spice spire]

Leech isn’t as good for healers anymore iirc

It’s damaging spells only

[royal lantern]

its good for padding meters

[dawn seal]

woo it worked

[royal lantern]

but ye, even that lost value

[dawn seal]

I am gonna be streamin tonight

pog

[spice spire]

W

[warm vortex]

Two nerubian kids fighting with robots

[royal lantern]

those nerubian kids are so cute

like, they just go

::3

[warm vortex]

Yea they are adorb

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810298051281420308/1279895525512052749/1.png?ex=67a46dd8&is=67a31c58&hm=faef07afc537872b0ed9105e0abe3540ef0f02d171168aba6a316e198962ba69&

[warm vortex]

Say what you want about TWW, i liked what they did with nerubians

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn fjord]

Taste like chicken

[vestal wren]

🦀 filter is goated

[final star]

why isn't mark applied by mut/ambush w/o stealth req

[royal lantern]

hear me out

if no mark is applied

Rupture applies a mark

problem solved, ability shared by both specs, its used early by both specs, it fits the "Mark an enemy" thematic

but nooooo......

[golden loom]

should just bring this back for deathstalker

[warm vortex]

It’s called deathSTALKERs
Stalkers don’t like being seen by the person they are stalking

[warm vortex]

Deathstalker mark, marked for death, death mark

Fucking hell they cannot come up with creative names

[royal lantern]

wait until you realise how many rogue ability icons are "head of a hooded figure"

[soft surge]

whats the most parse cucking portal to take on queen when assigned?

in p2

[warm vortex]

Id take that over 3 abilities named the same pretty much

[soft surge]

the dilemma of the whole tier

well my dps on queen is good, 2nd or 1st but overall but i cant seem to pad

even with tempest etc

[cloud basin]

Oh i don't even use tempest. We have to many other dps who aoe better lol

So I just use Spatter

[rotund oak]

Double cheese/pepperoni Calzone and some garlic bread with sauce to dip(calzone is big,like descent big even for adults)

[radiant raven]

That sounds good

I could go for some garlic bread

[rotund oak]

its amazing,im celebrating,im completely healthy

gonna get me back to unhealthy lvls

lul

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[normal mist]

I'm proud of you brother

now eat all that jazz for the good old days

[hearty reef]

bad pin osrry whuspyr

[west smelt]

just had a key where we really struggled on getting the bosses down in a timely manner but the trash packs were mostly ok. Which of the talents from the m+ set are flexible for me to push back into more single target?

[normal mist]

If there's enought ST isn't really your fault

we're not designed in M+ to deal with the ST

[sullen hollow]

Hows assa after tier being fixed now

On ptr

[normal mist]

Pin mostly covers it all

[sullen hollow]

😂😂

I mean someone must know what the diff is from before it was bugged to now if they played on ptr before and after to give out somewhat an opinion

[normal mist]

if the pin isnt enough information

[buoyant herald]

bro did you still refuse to read the pin lol

[normal mist]

come back in like a month

[timid bramble]

Southsin or southslice

or are both dumb names?

thoughts reactions

[spice spire]

Both are fine names

[timid bramble]

thanks Prime

[spice spire]

Dog Makeitquake is the dumbest rogue name ever

But here I am

Anytime south

[normal mist]

I wouldn't name a son Southsin, but thats an okay name

[timid bramble]

lol 😄

Son is Zekariyah

Wife is May

I am Jad

theres the fam

[west smelt]

ouch ok fair enough

[hollow river]

No way

This guy is runescapes final boss

[normal mist]

i didn't mean you did a bad job, i mean that the other 2 dps's need to do their jobs better

[dawn seal]

is there place where I can drop a stream link

[hollow river]

there isn't much you can swap from aoe to ST that won't lose much more aoe damage than what you gain in ST @west smelt

[dawn seal]

does it have to be a rogue stream

[west smelt]

no I know, its just ouch because I was playing with friends and hoping I could cover some of the slack when we next do a key but sounds like I just can't

[hollow river]

i think you can run MA if you aren't already

[normal mist]

#rogue-streamers

there's info on that

[west smelt]

I am indeed running master assassin, I'm running the default m+ build on the wowhead guide

[normal mist]

then you're more than good to go

the truth is, in M+, if you want the AoE dmg, you must sacrifice the ST

and other specs just do it better than us

[hollow river]

you can check out what's popular in high keys on murlok.io, but not much changes

[west smelt]

hey thats a cool resource, thanks!

this wasn't a high key though, only a 7

[hollow river]

i wouldn't change anything then tbh

[subtle tundra]

yeah the 4pc is like 0.3% dps or something

[west smelt]

looks like the main difference between what people seem to be using on murlok.io compared to the wowhead guide is dropping iron wire for twist the knife

[normal mist]

AkA dps brain

[hollow river]

and dropping sudden demise for sanguine blades

[normal mist]

and when they don't have a team to cover up the lack of iron wire, they complain that there are no interrupts

[subtle tundra]

those take from top runs

and top runs are always coordonated

[hollow river]

wouldn't really recommend either of those changes for lower keys

[west smelt]

especially not dropping SD

that really pops off considering how frail some of the trash is

it was like 5% of my total damage

[spice surge]

Also the vast majority of people are better of running iron wire than a few extra percentages of dps. Thats gonna save more of your runs

Including me in 17s, i ran no iron wire in stonevault once and missed timer by 5 seconds because a cast went of that killed me so i had to run back

[west smelt]

I'm really weak at my cc game in general, I need to improve a lot with kicks and stops etc

[static glacier]

I can link you some of my fatebound logs, it’s genuinely an option if you’re not in aoe (the lack of crit on FoK and CT is noticeable) only real sacrifice is the loss of DR on evasion which is pretty major

[final star]

do love a calzone

[soft surge]

how come rogues are using the armor kit instead of stam leg enchant?

on murloc io

never considered the armor one

[somber sparrow]

especially since they're humanoid now, so i can pickpocket them and with my pickpocket glyph turn into many cool nerubians. And with my "Anub'-" title, it's really fun

[hollow river]

the armor kit is pretty standard across all content i thought

[soft surge]

waaaat

why

i swear i saw on wowhead or something the stam was bis

[hollow river]

because it's 930 agi and stam

^from wowhead

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/nKIbblF.png

[somber sparrow]

930 agility and 895 stamina probably more important than 930 agility and 980 armor

[soft surge]

it increases stam

[hollow river]

and agility

[soft surge]

wait nvm

i reckon archon is better than muloc.io

less confusing

[dapper cradle]

yeah 100%

armor basically does nothing

[warm vortex]

IO need that glyph

i forgot it was a thing

[somber sparrow]

it's officially called the Glyph of Disguise, and you do lose the appearance when you enter combat. So ideally you use something like a sky-mirror or a reflection prism to make it last through combat

[unkempt marsh]

do i have to track caustic splatter? like when do i mutilate on +5 targets

[spice surge]

Yes, you want caustic spatter up at all times in aoe

[unkempt marsh]

is there a perfect time to press mutilate for it

instead of spamming fan into envenom

[runic hinge]

Every 8 seconds or so

[timid bramble]

is there a good addon for DR ?

diminishing returns

or is it not worth

Sim prefering Haste over Crit atm for ST

[spice spire]

It’s not worth

Just sim your secondaries will always fluctuate

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[timid bramble]

so mastery is greater than or equal to haste at time

that hasnt applied one time on my sims lol

Mastery way ahead of Crit for me still

but im sure its cause i didnt hit 625 range yet

[soft surge]

yea i dont understand it either but its something to do with many rogues having a mytch track sikran neck maybe

[daring hamlet]

wow so i actually think boomie is sipmler to play in M+ than assa is to play in raid

this shit is such a vibe lol

[soft surge]

yea i wanna play boomie

and apparantly feral is gunna be good next patch

[spice spire]

Keep reading

[soft surge]

fury rogue

[spice spire]

It goes more in depth

[daring hamlet]

feral is realllly fun but not super easy

but its like really fun

[soft surge]

i heard its been simplified in recent times

idk atm tho

[daring hamlet]

it does feel simpler than word-of-mouth woulda led me to believe

like the snapshotting doesn't add thatttt much complexity tbh

with how it is now at least

[steel heart]

I give up

[soft surge]

also theres not alot of feral players so not alot of info out there ig

apart from the sims/apl wowhead etc

[daring hamlet]

bro its a fucking ghost town in there

is feral actually projected to be good next tier?

[soft surge]

apparantly

[daring hamlet]

not that anything on ptr matters right now lmao

[soft surge]

zorthas said its good

hes on ptr all the time

the big enhance guy

[daring hamlet]

i mean to be fair - feral is pretty decent right now

with a slight buff

it could def put it over the edge

[soft surge]

has alotta tech and defense too

[spice spire]

What are we giving up on

[soft surge]

compared to rogue

[timid bramble]

i see thanks

[spice spire]

Feral doesn’t have a ton of dedication compared to other specs as well

[timid bramble]

Boomie is way easier than Rogue lol

[soft surge]

no immunes but general tankyness

[daring hamlet]

oh yeah boomie is a fucking vibe even compared to assa

like current assa is omega free if you can just like press your cds at the same time and dump into envenom

but boomie is a whole diff vibe

[steel heart]

Rogue 😭

[soft surge]

yea i need a new vibe

so stuck on rogue

[still snow]

Hi where to find good pvp guides?

[soft surge]

need soemthing fresh maybe i play abita druid

[timid bramble]

Survival Hunter

Was the best decision ive made

[spice spire]

Why’s that?

[spice spire]

#pvp

[daring hamlet]

ive only played boomie a bit - it might get boring cuase its legit like 2 buttons+cds

but its fun right now

[soft surge]

just being ranged will be a new thing

[timid bramble]

survival hunter is dope though cause melee + range

[spice spire]

Haven’t raided in 3 months so I’ve been playing 4 toons total, helps from mega spamming one class imo

[soft surge]

iv only ever played melee and holy pala seriously

[timid bramble]

you can be at range for a good period of time and be able to do your rotation kind of lol

[soft surge]

get to see more of whats going on

in the raid etc

rogue main dh 2nd alt and now maybe a boomie for 3rd alt next tier

[nimble tartan]

guys i cant do dam on queen my guild is too crank they wont let me dps proper gg

im capped

[vast loom]

i had to get an essence in the middle of nowhere for our prog kill solid like 15-20sec of no uptime cuz i was being probably too safe

[balmy condor]

real

but top 100 are playing CT

[subtle tundra]

oh wow they are

wtf

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's cooked

[subtle tundra]

assa is fucked..

like what do you even ct

thats relevant

oh wait

nothin

[balmy condor]

overall parse on ansurek atm is basically just can you get a dm in p2 and can you find enough CT damage in p2 and spiders p3

[subtle tundra]

i liked assa more when you couldnt pad

[balmy condor]

I think it's healthier for the spec this way

but yeh it does open some degen stuff

[nimble tartan]

makes sense i did run ct this week too but its just too fucked i cant dm in p2 at all intried it died insta lmfao

[balmy condor]

yeh

[nimble tartan]

let it be known i am only ct’ing after many queen kills guys dont int ur prog and new reclears ❤️

[balmy condor]

'tis not for mortals like us blud

we just aren't padgods

it's joever

[nimble tartan]

[vast loom]

theres this sweet thing i do when i feel like im not doing dmg

click on details go to dmg taken by mob and hover boss

then im usually sated for a moment

[ripe tree]

straight facts

the copium for doing portals and bridge on p2 of queen is looking at boss dmg parses

[normal mist]

We are killing the main enemy

[lyric hill]

hey, is dungeon slice good for assassination? or what's the best means of simming for keys

[normal mist]

yes

[lyric hill]

cheers

[slow echo]

can vault give tier with tertiary stats?

[normal mist]

yeah

i believe so yeah

[spice spire]

Yes

Source: I got one last night

[drifting cloud]

horny is not a real tertiary stat

[spice spire]

Dog I’m like never horny

But if you sass me again I’ll kiss you on the fucking lips

[drifting cloud]

yeah because you dont have enough horny on your gear

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[lethal heart]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

:quakestep:

[spice spire]

I’m dooming so hard rn

[balmy condor]

I have my best people working on it

[spice spire]

Dog

There’s no shot shien is doing this

[balmy condor]

I think he's running out of emote slots for ravenholdt feet though

[spice spire]

I’m so fucked

[pliant remnant]

which lips

[normal mist]

"yes"

[spice spire]

Yes

[earnest remnant]

New Gunslinger skin that came out today

[hollow river]

[midnight atlas]

no deathblade?

[earnest remnant]

benched

[hollow river]

are most good skins from the shop?

[earnest remnant]

this one was free

and you can also buy em for gold ingame

[normal mist]

I swear that game became such a Gooning Heaven

[earnest remnant]

trailer for the skin

[normal mist]

"BaCk In My DaYs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZqLp2dou_k

that was the shit when those got released

[midnight atlas]

i remember people were mad they didnt get sexy skins at first

[normal mist]

... i also remember that

xD

[earnest remnant]

but yeah you can either buy skins for real money or buy them for gold when people put them on AH

and ofc we get some for free

like this one was

cuz its the 3rd anniversary in the game

[normal mist]

IIRC my character atm looks like a freaking teddy bear

(free skin too)

[hollow river]

:o

what do you have to do to get that one?

just log in?

[earnest remnant]

log in and claim it

[hollow river]

noice i may log in

i played a little bit a few months ago, didn't get very far

[earnest remnant]

1 free anniversary skin for whatever class you want

[hollow river]

i think i got some event thing last time i played

that got me to a higher level with a little gear

[earnest remnant]

1580

[viral sage]

Why are people taking twist the knife over master assassin?

[coral ibex]

they think its better for their use case

or they chose talents at random

if you aren't vanishing/stealthing frequently MA doesn't do as much

[viral sage]

so all the top players are playing it over master assassin in m+

[coral ibex]

probably because in high keys your boss damage matters more than your trash damage

[viral sage]

Im new to rogue but usually push high keys so that would make sense, what does does the overlapping x2 envenon do exactly?

does it increase the damage buff?

[coral ibex]

everything that envenom does happens at 2x effectiveness

while you have 2 stacks

[viral sage]

cool, thanks

[hollow river]

not all

not all are dropping MA I mean to say

[iron carbon]

Depends if playing sub or not I guess

[balmy condor]

50% taking deathmark?

[normal mist]

Top 50

In the top 50, 50 use DM

[balmy condor]

lowkey an awful graph

[normal mist]

Ikr

[viral sage]

Archon (new M+ subcreation) looks better but its still shocking compared to old M+ sub

[balmy condor]

wowhead writers were invited to help with the creation process since archon/wcl is partnered with wowhead

[hollow river]

Ye it just shows the amount of people using it, I do wish they included a larger amount of players in their stats like WCL but

[balmy condor]

so we pushed back a lot on stuff

but yeh

[hollow river]

They’re just a glorified Armory scraper website

[balmy condor]

all these data scraping pages are kinda poopy

cause they don't actually explain shit

hundreds of rogues just copy pasting whatever top talent builds are

when those guys play an entirely different game

[hollow river]

Yep

I’m just used to using murlok for pvp

[viral sage]

even if someone is planning on doing similar levels its still annoying theres no explanation

[balmy condor]

yeh

[viral sage]

especially if its diff from wowhead

[balmy condor]

that's one of the big pain points

cause wowhead is meant as like a full encompassing guide from start to like high-ish level

like it should work for basically everyone who isn't playing at top top levels

we're aimed at like high end heroic, mid-range mythic at the top skill level

so like yeah I'm putting iron wire into the builds 100/100 times

but then they open archon and see rogues in 17's with well organized groups and guaranteed prot paladin + aug every key

and it's like yeah those guys would prefer more damage I guess

[viral sage]

coming from DK where it feels like we have a cookie cutter build where we basically get all we want on the talent trees after rework for cutting edge keys, it kinda feels sad iron wire is up against sanguine blades

[balmy condor]

but why the fuck would I ever recommend that to lil timmy doing his first +12

[viral sage]

unless im overestimating how good SB is?

i only started assass this week for next patch so i know nothing

[balmy condor]

it's like 5-6% overall but it's purely aoe

[viral sage]

the impact is less for caustic builds?

[balmy condor]

like "purely aoe" as in we change rotation to avoid proccing it in single target

[balmy condor]

idk what a caustic build is

every build is a caustic build

caustic is core aoe to the spec

[viral sage]

sorry i meant Dragon tempered blades build compared to arterial precision

[balmy condor]

sanguine would be better for a bleed focused build with arterial

[viral sage]

yep

[balmy condor]

but with standard builds it's still really good aoe

idk m+ builds are a lot of feelcraft at the high end

cause like on the one hand, yes sanguine blades, big aoe, good couple % overall

0 single target, but good

but then twist the knife, which is like somewhat better single target, and 0 aoe

so it's like the exact opposite

especially cause dashing scoundrel is kinda the big synergy with twist the knife but that's not something we take in m+ because it's 0 aoe

so it's just weird for a new rogue

lots of seemingly arbitrary choices

and to some extent, they are exactly that

[viral sage]

is it better to tab target to spread dots with IC or will they spread to 3 additional targets if the current target has them applied already?

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

big chunky command

[viral sage]

sick thanks

[balmy condor]

but the 2 additional are semi-smart

will apply to things that don't have it

if things already have it, it'll pick randomly

[hollow grove]

How many adds would you want to open with double rupture garrotte ? 5+?

[normal mist]

atleast 5

for full scent of blood stacks

[hollow grove]

Ok thanks just came back after quite a few years break so allot to learn again

[cinder steppe]

How do you guys play the webs on mythic ansurek? First one with vanish on cooldown but after that? cloak in case i cant get freed since palas are already assigned?

[lapis helm]

go gnome

[hollow grove]

Also it says cast shiv before kings bane to save a charge for last 8s? Shiv has 30s cd ? So do you shiv wait 20s then kings ?

[normal mist]

in raid you have 2 shivs

shiv into KB and shiv again when the first one ends

in m+ shiv at the last 8 secs of KB

[hollow grove]

Ahh ty

[lapis helm]

you guys use transmitter on queen prog? been testing it off and on but it seems like a massive pita sometimes with boss positioning and pools on the ground

[cinder steppe]

gnome or pray to raid to get your web destroyed are the only way right?

[lapis helm]

yea basically.

[cinder steppe]

sadge

[nimble tartan]

vanish 1st one (lines up with ur regular cd timings), cloak, get an external

[static glacier]

If you absolutely can’t get an external then you just try to sit in the middle of the boss’ hitbox and people will cleave your web

[cinder steppe]

oki thank you both! im gonna prog on assa as the first 150 tries has been on outlaw, my hands are already suffering lol

[static glacier]

Sounds like fyrakk for me, but sub instead of assa

[west smelt]

Fellas in the cooldown sequence for single target are these 2 mutilates always just 2 even if you get 0 crits and just send a 4 combo envenom? I've been doing a 3rd mutilate if I don't get the combo points because I didn't really think about it until now

[balmy condor]

No, its 5+

But you need minimum 2 and then 1 crit

So it’s just generalized

[west smelt]

Thank you

[dawn seal]

I WIPED THE KILL PULL

😭

[nimble tartan]

gg

[vast loom]

[dawn seal]

I can not be benched on 311 pull

when I gate

and do p1 pops

but it was so fun

look at this

good prog

DIES SUNDAY

TONIGHT WAS SOOOO FUN TEAM WAS AMAZING

[nimble tartan]

bro what happened..

p3 the easiest

looks like a crazy good raid day tho gettin to p3 most times thats sick

[snow kindle]

are yall lusting p1

[dawn seal]

yeah

KILLL TIEM

[dawn seal]

I died with essense

on p3 ...

[snow kindle]

p1 lusting certainly a choice

[sullen hearth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nimble tartan]

onfg…

i would never wish that on my worst enemy

[balmy condor]

The obvious choice even

[snow kindle]

for prog? i aint know bout dat

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s just simply more boss damage

[snow kindle]

is it? Id think the casters with their 40 spymasters and whoever executes is better for and it makes the chaotic part of the fight a bit easier

[spice surge]

Well they removed the damage event that happened when you previously lusted in p3

But yes its absolutely more damage to lust p1 nowadays

[snow kindle]

what was the dmg event

what dat mean

[spice surge]

The condemnation thingy

Was right as bl timed out no?

Idk either way arcane mages aint OP boss damage anymore, dont need to hold for their execute+spymaster

[snow kindle]

yea i think so right when she came down a 2nd time

[median flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cyan trellis]

hey if I'm gonna take iron wire in M+ should i drop sudden demise or sanguine? I am running 14s atm if that changes anything

[jolly heath]

Honest answer is it doesn’t matter, you can drop any of them and would still do the same

That’s the beauty of sin

[hollow river]

any of MA/SD/SB i don't think it matters very much tbh

[thorn thorn]

What are the odds we use S1 tier in exchange at this rate

[whole snow]

probably 0

[thorn thorn]

I hope so because that question was rhetorical

[bright turret]

what # of targets do you crimson tempest instead of envenom?

[paper tapir]

Never

[balmy condor]

Yeh near 0

[paper tapir]

Just keep CT up it’s not a finisher to spam

[bright turret]

not quite what I mean, if there's 2 targets is a CT cast better than an envenom

[midnight arrow]

if they dont have the bleed already, yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeh you use ct on 2 or more, but never spam

[rotund oak]

was heaven

[subtle tundra]

dont make me hungry you meanie

eating yo assssssssssssss

[dawn seal]

why do people have hatred towards kick

the streaming platform one

[subtle tundra]

gambling

i opened kick and the UI and everything is the same as twitch, lol

everything is the same

just green

[dawn seal]

oo

[slate crown]

I’m pretty sure the backend is also a direct twitch rip

[dawn seal]

should I refer twitch

instead of kick

when streamin

[slate crown]

I think this was its origin but doesn’t twitch have a ton of gambling streams on it too now? Or am I misplacing that

[subtle tundra]

its still a gambling website

[balmy condor]

kick is basically just copy pasted twitch but if rules didn't exist

[static glacier]

Does kick have straight porn? Twitch isn’t far off

[balmy condor]

it definitely used to

[dawn seal]

are we talkin about bathtub streams

[balmy condor]

kick streamers are legit like 80% banned twitch streamers and 20% streamers that got paid literally millions to move platforms

and that's kinda it

[dawn seal]

ohh

I should swap to twitch maybe I kinda enjoyed streamin yday

I made it on kick cuz when I wanted to get in to it same day my country banned twitch

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

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Your country banned twitch? Bruh

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yeah,

turkey shenigans

they also banned discord

its still banned actually

the discord

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The calling part I’m guessing

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also roblox

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Roblox

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yes its also banned

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wait is it normal for someone to have

envenom as top damage on logs in ovi prog