#assassination

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midnight mist
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It's funny cause

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I thought our tier set was good and shit

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But outlaw is legit way worse on ptr

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Than on live

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Which is crazy

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Cause it already sucks on live

lavish geyser
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we still have priory☝️

midnight mist
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But it's ok tho we get 50% buff week one you seen it here first

midnight mist
lavish geyser
lethal heart
lavish geyser
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but idk ig assa gaming is also fun. just not on st at all

midnight mist
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Assa fun

earnest remnant
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its a sub season

lavish geyser
earnest remnant
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trust

lavish geyser
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lol

earnest remnant
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source: i said so

midnight mist
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I wouldn't mind sub that much

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Sub isnt assa

earnest remnant
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i like progressing raid as assa

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cuz its so laid back

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you can just vibe

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prefer to do it as sub tho, but idm assa progress

midnight mist
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I think that was true in the past

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Now I'm always Perma stressed I will accidentally trigger my tea

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That shit gets me so mad ReallyMad

lavish geyser
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zac, you playing sham? zacsham Surebud

earnest remnant
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that doesent matter to

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tho*

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its like 0.1-0.2%

lavish geyser
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lol

earnest remnant
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fuck that shit

midnight mist
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Stealthi

earnest remnant
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just vibe

midnight mist
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It matters

desert crest
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tea proc is problematic i agree

lavish geyser
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how much does it matter?

earnest remnant
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absolutely fuck all

lavish geyser
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it matters to you ig

earnest remnant
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you loose more dmg, from the tank dragging out the boss from your melee range

midnight mist
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Ok it's absolutely fuck all in sims tho

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What if you do a sim where you never press tea in cds

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Surely that matters

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Any big simma

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I can't sim I'm in bed

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Also I can't sim assa im allergic

lavish geyser
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XD

desert crest
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Has to be a big dmg loss tho

spice spire
midnight mist
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Ye well

lavish geyser
midnight mist
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Mostly ye

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Its the only class I ever invested meaningful time in

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Or by meaningful I mean

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I try hard rogue a bit

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Not other classes

lavish geyser
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been testing some other classes. shammy feels fun and so does survival. that is abt it

midnight mist
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Although I have had the occasional random alt there and here

lavish geyser
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zacsham

midnight mist
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Everything sucks compared to outlaw anyway

midnight mist
lavish geyser
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XD

midnight mist
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Me isn't Zacsham

lavish geyser
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yes you areeeeee

midnight mist
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Someone stole my name

earnest remnant
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0,08%

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to not give a shit

midnight mist
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Can't believe someone would be named zac

midnight mist
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I will only believe it if I see it

lavish geyser
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found a dude who had the name yo. just "yo"

midnight mist
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Or if I do the sim myself

lavish geyser
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that was kinda cool

midnight mist
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Which I won't be doing

spice surge
midnight mist
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Ye but thats not true in m+

earnest remnant
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almost all the value of Tea is in the energy for assa, so it kinda makes sense

midnight mist
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Cause you don't press cds on cd

spice surge
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So the only real difference is the 2 extra charges

midnight mist
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That's true in sims sure

midnight mist
spice surge
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You have enough energy during deathmark anyway, and you should have one for every kb

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So like

earnest remnant
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does assa even energy starve during cds?

midnight mist
earnest remnant
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been a long ass while since ive done a key as assa

spice surge
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But you only have 1 shiv

midnight mist
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That just isn't true

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Not if you accidentally proc it before

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Because you ain't sending shit on cd

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In m+;

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Not exactly on cd

spice surge
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You mostly are on bosses no?

midnight mist
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Mostly

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But you also mostly aren't

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You can always accidently desync

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And then it's annoying

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And then my question is

dawn heath
midnight mist
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Is that scenario still 0.08%

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I doubt

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But eh

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I don't care enough to sim I think

spice surge
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No but its not huge either way

midnight mist
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Should be fine

dawn heath
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are u playing outlul or sin

midnight mist
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Sin

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Outlaw is trash I said it before

dawn heath
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im kinda wondering if spec flask is required to live the initial

midnight mist
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Outlaw is good in 14s

dawn heath
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even with feint

midnight mist
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Nah it's not

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Not in 19

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You survive at uh

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1% or something

dawn heath
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but u rely on priest shields

midnight mist
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At least I don

dawn heath
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or

midnight mist
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No I don't

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Just feint

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1.9% I think

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Easy enough

dawn heath
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whats your versa

spice surge
midnight mist
earnest remnant
spice surge
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Or whatever the name of the metric realz said it was the best at in df

midnight mist
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But like just build bis gear and you will find it

midnight mist
earnest remnant
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at the mid-low range outlaw is very good

midnight mist
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I think not having CDs is op

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In low keys

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Cause well CDs are just bad

earnest remnant
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or be like Ret

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and have cds every 30

midnight mist
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But then in high keys CDs scale to infinity so

dawn heath
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killing every pack before it can kill you

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killing them before noobs manage to die to mobs

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i swear to god whenever u play with people they manage to die in the weirdest ways

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playing keys with noobs is such a miserable experience

midnight mist
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I think it's hard to tune outlaw just cause it's so good in low keys cuase of having no cds

dawn heath
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super unfun

midnight mist
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But surely it's possible

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Was outlaw dominating low keys in S3 df

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I don't remember an outlaw dominance

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But it was tuned good for high keys

dawn heath
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i remember outlaw dominating throne of the tides

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thats all i remember

midnight mist
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I mean dominating is a big word

timid bramble
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are dummies bugged

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it seems like my caustic spatter isnt applying

dawn heath
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tripple rogue was better than the meta comp

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or some shit in that key

midnight mist
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Hey thats me

timid bramble
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al though i have garrote and rupture up

earnest remnant
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must suck to start playing the game just after outlaw dominated for like 2 and half years straight

midnight mist
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But that's also untrue

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I think it was easier

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Not necessarily better

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And then Aug came after anyway

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And it was over

spice surge
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I dont remember the exact phrase, but somebody complained about outlaw and realz responsed that they had the best completion/success rate out of all classes in keys

dawn heath
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throne of the tides was the worst designed duengon ever

midnight mist
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Ye I know

dawn heath
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it was only playable cause of vengeance dh

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like

midnight mist
dawn heath
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one bolt immediately oneshot a player

spice surge
dawn heath
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with 5x chain casting mobs

spice surge
earnest remnant
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watching outlaw dmg in bfa was funny

dawn heath
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na but on high keys

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it was so dumb

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1 cast went off

spice surge
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Yes

dawn heath
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= death

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u have 5 casters

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chain casting

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permanently

spice surge
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Ye but atleast its not fucking wake

balmy condor
fresh kelp
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Wake is an abomination

midnight mist
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Look

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Even there

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Where it was like

dawn heath
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ye i just checke

midnight mist
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Very good

dawn heath
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but dude

cerulean walrus
midnight mist
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I would barely call it domination lol

spice surge
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Only thing matching wake is pinnacle

timid bramble
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lol

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I been practicing all day

dawn heath
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how many people can pull up 3 competent outlaw players when rogue is a underplayed class

timid bramble
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And i log in to go finally play and its weird it wont apply

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maybe i can stream it

balmy condor
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every time someone goes "caustic isn't working" it's always been skill issue

cerulean walrus
midnight mist
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If rogue is good

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Rogues are good you know

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It's not like

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Boomies

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Omegalul

timid bramble
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i even have the plater profile that turns it green 😛

dawn heath
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i play rogue i am aware

earnest remnant
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im a forced otp

dawn heath
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but even when rogue is good its not that popular

earnest remnant
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im not trusted with anything else

dawn heath
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like good good

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it hasnt been popular since bfa

midnight mist
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I mean I think current season is proof

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Only spec better than sin is Boomie

balmy condor
dawn heath
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i mean sin is better in like 2 duengons than the other specs and worse in the rest

midnight mist
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Yet no one wanna play that shit

timid bramble
balmy condor
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yes, that's what I do

dawn heath
midnight mist
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Ok but "worse"

balmy condor
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my entire personality is that

dawn heath
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and they think dk is good

midnight mist
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It's not THAT worse

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Boomie is better sure

dawn heath
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its def

midnight mist
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But likeb

dawn heath
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boomy>sin>dk

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but in pug keys

midnight mist
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It's not THAT better

dawn heath
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boomy>dk>sin

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its easier to play with dk

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rogue is lame to play with

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even though its better

fresh kelp
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Dk is op for pugs

midnight mist
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Ye I do think asss damage profile is weird

fresh kelp
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Who is out here bricking to timer

midnight mist
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And an hindrance a lot of times

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Bad st

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Can't target swap

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Low ramp time

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Need big prio target

spice surge
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Even in very high keys with a rogue youd still see the other dps doing aoe on completely irrelevant mobs

timid bramble
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@balmy condor Thanks

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It was a bug right? 😛

midnight mist
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0 utility

balmy condor
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yes very bugged

drifting cedar
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Guild taking me on a trial on silken court rekill, I don't have a single pull on it, am I fucked? Managing the mark biggest issue there?

balmy condor
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first of its kind

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I'm documenting it atm

spice surge
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Instead of letting them live by doingso pure st so rogue does 50% more damage

timid bramble
dawn heath
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its actually quite a issue not having a CR in the comp when u have a season that the tank flops in every other key

midnight mist
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Not press tempest

dawn heath
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the knife is viable but not reliable

midnight mist
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Or what

balmy condor
balmy condor
midnight mist
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Enhance one shot everything at the start of it's cds

spice surge
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Tempest is fine you cant controll that

midnight mist
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Assa take 15 years to ramp up

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Unlucko

fresh kelp
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Can just not press CL

midnight mist
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Prio maybe

dawn heath
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kinda wish i got to play more

midnight mist
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Sound alike you are trolling aoe

dawn heath
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my 3hour a week schedual is tilting me

midnight mist
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And you can't even do that during ascendance since it auto swap to aoe

fresh kelp
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well in a pack like GB corrupters if u have a funnel spec

lethal heart
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funnel my favourite word

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just press w

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stop thinking

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win by default

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amen

fresh kelp
midnight mist
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When. Does it not with assa

dawn heath
spice surge
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People think assa funnel is like 15% more damage instead of the like 60%

fresh kelp
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I don’t play with a rogue so idk

dawn heath
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this week

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hoping we can get some more score next week

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almsot at 3600

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would be nice

humble verge
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be glad you have title cutoff

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sadge

fresh kelp
spice surge
humble verge
dawn heath
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lol

midnight mist
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Wtf is a cathedral dude

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Isn't a cathedral

humble verge
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church

spice surge
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The mini boss in the church

midnight mist
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Big buildings

humble verge
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just say church

midnight mist
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Where you pray in

dawn heath
humble verge
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ai ai

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gigakeys

midnight mist
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Wtf is there a church

dawn heath
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we managed to get this done

midnight mist
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In gb

fresh kelp
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generational io gains

humble verge
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no

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he said DB

midnight mist
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Oh

dawn heath
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we almost had 19 ara as well in the session

midnight mist
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Ye make sense

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Very smart

dawn heath
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but we wiped on last boss

midnight mist
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Eleem

humble verge
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L bozo

midnight mist
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You are smart

dawn heath
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im suprised our mist was quick even though i did shit damage

earnest remnant
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i wont allow that

dawn heath
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kinda weird with mist timer and maze

spice surge
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Like ye the shaman can do aoe and kill the adds when miniboss has 40% left, or you can not and it will die faster from assa

midnight mist
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I will have a talk with my enhancer

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I wanna know more about lightning rod

lethal heart
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i just want my enha to press tempest when we're hitting 1 mob that is on 20 mil

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rather than me sending 3x tea

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to kill it

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i had a dream

fresh kelp
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nop

lethal heart
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he doesnt hold 2 tempest

fresh kelp
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tempest holdie

dawn heath
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almost 19 timer or?

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lethal heart
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it is 19 timer

earnest remnant
lethal heart
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because 2nd boss dies in '''same''' timer

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but also 1st boss idk how much you're overkilling or hoping rng carries y ou

dawn heath
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dude our first boss was an absolute nightmare

humble verge
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im just sitting here

dawn heath
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didnt even get close to killing it after second burn

humble verge
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wanting to get invites to 17

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sadge

dawn heath
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we had to send double 2minutes again

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after burn

spice surge
dawn heath
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shaman had 0 lightning dogs

humble verge
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rip

lethal heart
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i think for 19 you might have to play 1 vanish setup for extra st

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but maybe you're already doing it

spice surge
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Its not at zul levels, but its definitely really insane with the m+ build

fresh kelp
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we had a key where me (enh) and aug both died right before burn after pressing lust on tree KEKW

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rip tempest and 40 stack spymaster

humble verge
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btw

dawn heath
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im playing the supercharger build

lethal heart
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ye ic

humble verge
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is 2x leth + supercharger just better ST?

lethal heart
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is your healer using dps potion for you

spice surge
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Like a pure st sim in m+ setup is ~1.25 or so. Prio damage with like 8 mobs constant cleave is like 2.1 💀

midnight mist
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Dude

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Gatekeeper

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First pack nw

winged quail
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Assa already had a few strong funnel talents, singular focus on top is so much funnel

midnight mist
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I nut

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So much funnel

dawn heath
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shaman should hit the vanguard

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you solo gatekeeper

midnight mist
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All my damage being that stupid funnel. Talent thing

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Ain't no way

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Delete that talent btw

dawn heath
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ye its pretty good on taht pull

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it tops your damage

lethal heart
dawn heath
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ive bee nchecking logs

lethal heart
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idk if thats KNOWN tech

earnest remnant
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sebek u joined seli and ronkles guild right?

lethal heart
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ye

earnest remnant
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time to crank next tier

lethal heart
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i should level my boomkin

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but i cant be bothered

dawn heath
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damage done to gatekeeper

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singular focus

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kinda busted

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its same dmg as kb+dm combined

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just pulled up a random log

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its absolutely crazy in this pull in particular

lethal heart
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are you doing the big pull with triple vanguard

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or smaller

dawn heath
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n

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we playt it on boss

lethal heart
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because if you're doing the giga pull its like 20 mobs so enha gets kinda soft aoe capped

dawn heath
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this is just damage done to the gatekeeper

lethal heart
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i think its still in the game where after like 20 mobs you just do less

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ye but if you said he is hitting vanguard

dawn heath
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we're not doing 20 mobs

lethal heart
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ye i see

dawn heath
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ye he is

spice surge
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Enhance is soft capped at 8 too right

dawn heath
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i mean vanguard damage looks like thi so

spice surge
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Or is it 5

dawn heath
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its completely reversed

humble verge
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oh

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you guys assign

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thats pretty nice tbf

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feel like gatekeeper dies too fast

lethal heart
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especially useful in a 16

humble verge
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with double 2mins

lethal heart
humble verge
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yea

lethal heart
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doing 16 or 15 with enha that procs

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your dm guy just dies

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gg go next

dawn heath
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ye i told him to fuck off

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stop hitting gatekeeper

humble verge
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rofl

dawn heath
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cause i had 7s+ left of DM when it died

humble verge
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maybe i should like

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actually target vanguard

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if i go with aug and sham next time

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with dm and kb

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just to prio that

dawn heath
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ur gonna rip aggro and take a tank buster

humble verge
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surely i wont

dawn heath
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100p

humble verge
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well

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i have evasion on speed call

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believe me

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D:

dawn heath
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absolutey tragedy in ara yday

keen spruce
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in pugs or not super coordinated groups

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I always just hit the vanguard

dawn heath
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a bugged blessed hammer caused a dobue pull that made us waste all our cr's

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so we had none for last boss

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then aug dies to this

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and key joever

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it was actually timed

lethal heart
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i think i wouldnt get invited higher than a 15-16 maybe in pugs

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impossible ot pug

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and i tihnk i timed 4 17s rn

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lfg is dead

dawn heath
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the tragedy is that

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19 ara isnt hard

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just getting the key

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is the hard part

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this was our first attempt

keen spruce
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timing the other 18s

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harder than the 19 ara

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and u can't get 19 ara from 18 ara dead

dawn heath
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ye

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it kinda sucks that u have to blow double CR to a bug

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blesser hammer pathing

lethal heart
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we almost depleted 17 dawn because that middle miniboss got stuck in the wall for a minute

keen spruce
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my friend skipped 17nw and just timed the 18

lethal heart
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in theory its easiest dungeon

keen spruce
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meanwhile i'm stuck on 15 cuz i don't know any priests and have to swap to sub

lethal heart
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do 16 with 3x dps

keen spruce
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ye 16 should be easy to just do normie

lethal heart
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even 17 should be fdine

keen spruce
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i've only gone in there a couple of times

lethal heart
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but higher than that i think its roughrough

keen spruce
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I spent thel ast couple of weeks knocking out the easy 17s

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need to do 16 nw and gb then i'm probably done

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maybe 17cot and sv

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idk

dawn heath
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u on US?

keen spruce
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ye

dawn heath
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doesnt sound like enough on eu

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gotcha

keen spruce
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I mean i might be safe at 3440 in us

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if the rumors about the patch are accurate

lethal heart
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i think even on eu getting full 16s and dawn/ara/mists 17

dawn heath
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i've written earlier predictions but i think they have been abit conservative

lethal heart
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rest of 17s are unpuggable probably

keen spruce
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yeah 17 mist/ara/dawn + all 16 is about 3460ish

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give or take

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that'll be plenty for US

dawn heath
lethal heart
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asian ones will be weird af

keen spruce
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especially if it's over on the 19s

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19th

lethal heart
dawn heath
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i mean

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this was written way back

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just assumptions

lethal heart
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also asian might be higher on rio but in reality lowr because you know

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the usual

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abusers get denied

dawn heath
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china is a dog region cheaters

lethal heart
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amen

dawn heath
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all gbs are cheated

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feel bad for supreme's team

spice surge
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@midnight mist in the same vein as the enhance thing, you can also technically keep pressing fok and not apply spatter

dawn heath
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they're the only legit team in that region

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everyone else just cheating

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and i mean everyone

spice surge
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Obviously gotta make sure they die eventually, but worth keeping in mind

dawn heath
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if you see a chinese run that is impressive you can just assume they have cheated and be right 95% of the time

lethal heart
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does love fool perfume work

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or

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i didnt test

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but you can get idk 1200 vers or 1200 agi

dawn heath
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it gets removed when u start a key

lethal heart
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is it same as mistletoe?

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or this one persisted

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i didnt even play dungeons back then so i wouldnt know xdd

dawn heath
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mistletoe worked

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this doesnt

lethal heart
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makes no sense

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but just because i said that

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it makes perfect sense

dawn heath
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ye idk either

lethal heart
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also lets clear all buffs when key starts

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all pre pull garbage

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noone likes it

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🙏

dawn heath
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radiosilence from blizzard is triggering me to no end with cheaters running rampant and they dont even bother to fix it

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u can still do it

lethal heart
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the GB thing?

humble verge
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cheaters?

dawn heath
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and seemingly to punishment

lethal heart
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or the Nw thing

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or both

dawn heath
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i mean they just get world buffs for all keys use double flask

humble verge
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raid buff abuse?

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is it everyone now?

dawn heath
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it used to be a 18% dps gain, but now that christmas event is gone its closer to 14%

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but its still more than a full key level in just raw dps

lethal heart
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ehh its always same if they do anything its usually right after the season or right as they hand out rewards

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pvp like

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but also in some df season i remember the same buff abuse

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similar to this buff stuff

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they just took away the titles/handed out few suspensions

dawn heath
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i hope they are get permad

lethal heart
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it was after df season 1 maybe

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big doubt tbh

dawn heath
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but obviously that wont happend

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cause that would be too reasonable

humble verge
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im kinda glad echo got fucked over in the rep abuse lul

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or whatever it was

lethal heart
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i honestly think perma is too much for sthl ike that tbh

dawn heath
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ye reputation was real impactful

humble verge
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gingi

dawn heath
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compared to this

humble verge
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keeps on abusing

lethal heart
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unless these people had similar record before ofc

humble verge
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but still gets to play idk

strange python
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I think as long as there’s an enh in your group and it’s not a WF key you should be allowed. Just for the sake of beating blue class

humble verge
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afaik

dawn heath
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absolutely justified to get perma banned for exploiting the highest level of competition

lethal heart
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im talking about buff stuff

dawn heath
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its not like u accidently do this

humble verge
lethal heart
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when it comes to rwf abuses yes

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they definitely

humble verge
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but ive only seen the chinese people buff abuse

lethal heart
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they got with a slap on the wrist

humble verge
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has anyone on EU/NA done it?

lethal heart
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with the 3 day suspensions

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literally irrelevant

humble verge
#

nah wasnt it a week suspension?

dawn heath
#

some people cheat on NA /eu too

hollow river
lethal heart
#

ehh point was they still participated in splits

dawn heath
#

but u can count them on one hand

lethal heart
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so it was mega w/e @humble verge

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the only way to punish them is make them unable to play during lets say hc week

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for the full duration

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thats basically getting perma banned

humble verge
#

yeah i guess

lethal heart
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for them

hollow river
#

Cheating keys doesn’t actively hinder non cheaters from doing keys

humble verge
#

true

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but the more people who cheat

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the higher the cutoff for the 0.1% go

hollow river
#

Not if they are taken down

dawn heath
#

you are delusional if u think they are gonna detect all cheaters

humble verge
#

yeah but it cant really be proven

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if they dont log their runs

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or if blizz can somehow track people

dawn heath
#

they would literally remove 99% of chinese runs

humble verge
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or check VODs

dawn heath
#

like im telling u go into WCL and check the public logged runs

humble verge
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if any of the streamers bug abuse live

dawn heath
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it will take u like half an hour to find a non cheated log

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of the chinese teams

humble verge
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right before .7 lul

hollow river
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They’ll remove the egregious ones just like outlaw bug keys

dawn heath
#

no they wont

humble verge
#

yeah but outlaw was different

dawn heath
#

this is egregious

hollow river
#

Ok bud

humble verge
#

i wouldnt call it as egregious

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as the outlaw bug

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but its up there

dawn heath
#

gaining 18% dps

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you are shaving off

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5minutes off your timer

humble verge
#

wheres the source

dawn heath
#

in a key

humble verge
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for 18%

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wait what

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why didnt i see this before now

dawn heath
#

well, you have battle shout which adds about 5% flat, mark of the wild which is 3% flat. so that already ~8% then you add a double flask which is another 3000 stats. Btw mark of the wild buff is about 2800 stats which should be more than another 3% if u can pick your best stat so lets say a conservative 11.2%. then you aadd mistletoe AND garrison buff together which is another 5600 stats. which should add you another mark of the wild and a half. so 4.5% + the 11.2%~~

static elm
#

Does rapture..stack? if i proc it for 32s and do it again before it expires, does it stack up 2x now?

dawn heath
#

for melee dps

balmy condor
static elm
dawn heath
#

i mean you are basicly cheating permanently 9000 stats 5% attack power and 3% vers

#

shockers that is a big dps gain

humble verge
#

jesus

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well i never really thought that big about it to be fair

earnest remnant
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they are doing funny shit in raid as well

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rolling up with a 30% cdr buff

lethal heart
#

@marble hemlock

humble verge
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say whut now

lethal heart
#

meanwhile there is me

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playing 0% buff in reclears

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when 16% buff is on

balmy condor
#

18% sebek

earnest remnant
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or cdr is wrong choice of words

balmy condor
lethal heart
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now its 18% i know

humble verge
lethal heart
#

but when it was 16

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i was playing still 0

humble verge
#

20% next week garf

lethal heart
humble verge
#

if im not wrong

balmy condor
#

not 20% next week garf

earnest remnant
#

its like a 30% lower gcd

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everything is sped up

balmy condor
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cause its capped at 18% garf

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good one

humble verge
#

wait

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its capped

#

dang

keen spruce
dawn heath
#

can i add stats in a sim? without like adding extra items just to see how much dps i gain from the stats?

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i want to sim the world buffs

lethal heart
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probably just increase ilvl on some item

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sanest approach

humble verge
#

hmmm

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im not even at 900h

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for this expansion

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rookie /played

earnest remnant
dawn heath
#

how

earnest remnant
#

you just add it onto a piece of gear

dawn heath
#

in top gear?

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or how would i add stats on an item

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i want to add like

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7000 vers and 2900 crit

earnest remnant
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@balmy condor he knows how, and will be better at telling you how

dawn heath
#

to my sim

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u can maybe get it right be tweaking ilvl of jewelry but seems like a hassle

balmy condor
#

what am I doing

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oh

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adding stats

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just use the gear_crit_rating or whatever at the bottom of your import

#

change that

humble verge
#

time for some evo leveling

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at 2am

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and i get DM

dawn heath
marble hemlock
balmy condor
#

could do something like

#

moment

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shirt=lucky_shirt,id=138385,stats=7000vers_2900crit

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add that to your gear import

dawn heath
#

thats smart

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lets see if it works

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hm not sure it worked didnt change anything let me rerun it

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na didnt work for me sadly with the shirt

dapper cradle
#

is it omega troll to run fatebound on silken

balmy condor
#

worked fine

dawn heath
#

you copy pasted what u wrote

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then u added # before

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and what did u do with the old shirt?

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just remove the lines?

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where do u put in the code? does it matter?

balmy condor
#

what

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I didn't add a hash

#

it's right there

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and what old shirt

#

there is no old shirt

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its just what the character equips

dawn heath
#

i had a shirt on in my sim idk if it bugs out

balmy condor
#

in that slot

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well then replace it

dawn heath
#

if it has multiple lines of shirt

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yes i did

#

but it still didnt work

balmy condor
#

link it

dawn heath
#

ill just send the basefile of the simc

balmy condor
#

hm

midnight arrow
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
#

where shirt logs I don't see the bonus stat shirt in this

image.png
balmy condor
#

works fine idk

dawn heath
#

ur simming advanced

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maybe thats why

balmy condor
#

well yeh

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top gear doesn't have a shirt slot

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none of the non-advanced ones do

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it just gets culled

dawn heath
#

well shit this doesnt work either

balmy condor
#

I thought we wanted to see the difference between the stats

#

what's the goal here

dawn heath
#

are we simming optimal raid buffs here?

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in this advanced tab

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or what are the settings

slate crown
#

It's in the string

#

your settings

balmy condor
#

I mean yeah that's just what I had on

dawn heath
#

ok

balmy condor
#

can just turn the raid buffs off

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but idk what the goal is here

dawn heath
#

nono thats fine

#

my goal is to sim how much dps gain the exploit is

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but i think its fine now i got it down

balmy condor
#

ok

dawn heath
#

running sim now will see

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Dslice sim

balmy condor
#

it'll be pretty much the same

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it's just vers

dawn heath
#

im confused why is it now simming my dslice as 100k lower for no reason

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it does however sim the shirt

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the baseline

cerulean walrus
#

Wtf we shirt maxing in here?

balmy condor
#

I'm cooking

dawn heath
#

no idea what im looking at

#

but i basicly wanna compare

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a D slice sim. with Just skyfury and bloodlust+ consumes VS optimal raid buffs and 7000 cheated vers and 2900 cheated crit through the shirt

balmy condor
#

with raid buffs is ugly

#

but oaky

dawn heath
#

why is it ugly

#

u could just add

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battle shout and motw

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tbf

balmy condor
#

means I need to remember the fucking lines

#

it'll take a bit

#

but that should do it

dawn heath
#

appreciate it

#

did u sim now with skyfury and lust vs all raid buffs+ cheated stats or what was the final settings?

balmy condor
#

I'm guessing with the raid buffs and the shirt probably like 26-27%

#

exactly what you said

dawn heath
#

okok

balmy condor
#

baseline with lust + skyfury

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second profile being shirt + all buff

dawn heath
#

it should be around 20% i think

balmy condor
#

nah the shirt alone is 12%

#

it's gonna be way higher than that

dawn heath
#

ok well

#

thats how much stats cheated 🙂

#

well obviously they dont have the monk buff

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that should have been disabled

#

but w/e i can just manually remove 2.5%

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off the sim

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i forgot

#

they cant cheat the monk buff

balmy condor
#

chaos brand too then?

dawn heath
#

ye i guess

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its just suppose d to be

#

my bad

balmy condor
dawn heath
#

it should have been battel shout and motw

#

i mean so its gonna be less than this

#

but i mean

#

man thats alot of dps to cheat

#

thanks for the help

balmy condor
#

np

dawn heath
#

so my napkin math is like

#

looks like 19% to me

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just looking at the number

balmy condor
#

you could just hit the relative dps button

dawn heath
#

which is pretty close to my 18% innitial assesment

#

its even more

#

jesus

#

ye these cheats are crazy

#

got a lesson in simming too great

#

so basicly

#

you get 2 full key levels of scaling on both your melee dpss

dapper cradle
#

do you not send cds on pull

#

for court?

dawn heath
#

we simmed it

#

thanks to whispyr

earnest remnant
dapper cradle
#

after the charge?

earnest remnant
#

sry meant yes to sending it on pull

humble verge
#

huge

#

i got a fist weapon on my enha

#

last second before reset

slow echo
#

which is the ptr realm you start max level

hollow river
#

you have to copy an existing character to test at max level i believe

slow echo
#

There's no realm like, "These go to eleven", like beta?

hollow river
#

don't think so

balmy condor
#

realms are only for beta, yes

#

ptr is just ptr

slow echo
#

First time

#

Popping the cherry on ptr

dapper cradle
#

new silken parse

frigid pilot
#

yho when the fuck r yall using 4th KB on ansurek?

#

it comes up when she finishes shield but if u use on big add u wont have for the aoe on 2nd platform

balmy condor
#

I use on the melee guy first plat

dapper cradle
#

silken really be an awful fight ngl

marble hemlock
frigid pilot
#

yeah it sucks

#

im doing 3rd pop on outside

#

in p1

#

kek

lucid basalt
#

Yo brothers i see 2 different builds in M+ whats the difference and why they play it any idea?

image.png image.png
somber sparrow
#

One with sudden demise and one without basically. I imagine the one without sudden demise have a higher single target damage.

balmy condor
#

sudden demise is more aoe, less single target compared to master assassin

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subterfuge is more aoe/quality of life, supercharger is more single target

lethal arrow
#

we love parse fixing

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rotund oak
#

im here for the pins

#

hello

dapper cradle
hexed root
light harbor
#

hey guys, why is there a lot less fatebound than deathstalker? any big difference that makes people leaning towards deathstalker?

hollow river
#

fatebound can be slightly ahead for pure ST, but not by much

hexed root
#

how accurate are sims with the embellishments? I know whispyr's wowhead says double dawnthread, i finally got regicide tonight but doesnt show anything big from sims

rotund oak
#

because they are not rly significant

balmy condor
#

but yeh

#

BiS lists omegalul

hexed root
balmy condor
#

I wish I could get rid of the bis lists

hexed root
#

relic of playing multiple wows

oak musk
#

Lists good for my monkey brain 🧠

lethal arrow
hexed root
lethal arrow
#

so my parse for some fights on first kill end with me dying

#

i had an essence and i just sacked my self to save it

hexed root
#

ye i do essences and portal too

#

so much downtime

lethal arrow
#

yeah i have a puddle pop, portal, essence and an add to nuke on platform 2

golden loom
#

No skardyns again pepe_sad

lethal arrow
#

praying for poisoned pact from vault or ansurek reclear

earnest remnant
#

rare loot is dope!

lethal arrow
#

low pull count

untold stone
#

Still broken tier-set for assa? 🥸

tawdry halo
#

bugs are fixed

earnest remnant
tawdry halo
#

2pc is still okay

earnest remnant
#

ring just refuses to drop for me

tawdry halo
#

4pc is still trash

lethal arrow
#

im differnt

#

ill get ring

#

if i dont get ring i get mount

median citrus
#

Mount BiS

manic sphinx
#

Hi Team. Just trying to play Subterfuge talent now. But normally I have Ambush on my Stealth Bar, and same keybind/spot when I'm not in stealth for Mutilate. Now I realised though, with Subterfuge, I don't want to be Ambushing and rather Mutilate when I have a chance, right? Ambush only for initial application for Deathstalker's Mark. Any suggestions?

runic hinge
#

You can just ambush

earnest remnant
#

or just have them on sep binds

rotund oak
#

or both

runic hinge
#

It’s barely a difference. You could also make a separate bind on not your stealth bar to push mut during subterfuge

manic sphinx
#

Yea, I didn't really want to chagne binds, but figured I might have to for this talent?

slate crown
#

You really, really don't have to.

oak musk
#

the only time I can see it mattering is when you need to apply caustic splatter during subterfuge

slate crown
#

Just push ambush instead of mutilate

slate crown
oak musk
#

well then it really does not matter

#

lol

manic sphinx
#

Okay yea, that's probably the answer for me at my levels - I'll jus tleave as is and do Ambush instead. Thanks!

#

I just remember a vid somewhere where it said you really don't want to ever press ambush unless it's for deathstalker's application

slate crown
#

They're wrong.

#

It's within margin of dps error to do either

manic sphinx
#

Awesome. Thanks!

earnest remnant
#

more avg dmg vs more avg cps

dawn seal
#

yo

#

%14

#

queen dies tonite

#

wooo

#

no more weird 4/16 gem strateg

#

y

#

@balmy condor u were correct without weird gem thingie and with bl we are even phasing it better

radiant snow
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
dawn seal
#

oh

#

fatebound has a typo

#

in here

#

or is it just me

#

isnt it seal fate

golden loom
#

deal fate is a fatebound talent

dawn seal
#

omg

#

and I am suppose to be a gambler

golden loom
#

u get 1 extra combo point on seal fate procs

dawn seal
#

O

#

damn

#

sim ur self tho man

#

dont even look at stat prio

#

its not like u have every piece of gear avaliable

thin furnace
#

In m+, when chainin envenoms in boss fight, if i have DN proc and 7 combo but still 4-5 secs of envenom should i wait until 1 sec or just send? With the energy restore it makes me doubt what to do

balmy condor
#

you send

dawn seal
#

u only do such thing in st

#

I belive

#

on m+

balmy condor
#

also you get the energy when it procs, not when you consume it

#

so like

#

you already got the energy

#

might as well spend it

dawn seal
#

do u play the pandemic of envenom on st m+

#

whispyr

#

like on bosses

balmy condor
#

no

#

you never play pandemic

dawn seal
#

@golden loom u lier

#

😭

balmy condor
#

it's just pointless

dawn seal
#

just slam it gotcha

#

I have to deal with the fact that I ll go out of enegery

balmy condor
#

like technically you can sweat your ass off for like 2k dps

#

pogggggg

dawn seal
thin furnace
#

Okk, thx!

golden loom
#

what when did I lie?? @dawn seal

dawn seal
#

wasnt it u

#

someone toldm e to play pandemic on envenom on m+ st

earnest remnant
#

sweat for that 0.2% dps

#

slacker

golden loom
#

yeah I mean do it if u want idk doesnt matter kekw

#

I personally slam so

dawn seal
#

@spice spire my bes friend

unknown.png
#

was this

#

person

whole mason
#

last time I checked that it procs multiple instances of dropping tier set stacks when cast CT on multiple targets, not sure if anything fixed the latest patch.

bronze pike
bronze pike
#

was i lied to?

dawn seal
spice spire
rotund oak
#

its rem

#

hi

bronze pike
#

he was a good boy

bronze pike
rotund oak
#

thought u quit or something

#

havent seen u like

#

idk

#

months

bronze pike
#

i pop in every now and then especially in outlaw

#

season just un fun rn