assassination

[dapper cradle]

yee you don't want to do 1h in OH

since it fucks shadow techniques

[hexed frost]

Why are we using the S-word on this channel

[dapper cradle]

but the vers scaling makes solo contract really strong

[hexed frost]

Mods smack their balls

[dapper cradle]

so you can use it even if you don't have the 2 set

[dapper cradle]

haha me please first!!!!!

[keen spruce]

I only play sub on hte lat boss of wake

but ig transmog is w/e

regicide don't even look that good

[spice spire]

Casual btw

[hexed frost]

Feeling is mutual

[keen spruce]

just let me be a casual

stop bein an elitist

[spice spire]

Known AotC elitist!!!

[dapper cradle]

i saw quake in a db yesterday

i'm nervous to key with him though hehe

[spice surge]

Does he hornypost ingame too or only on discord

[warped root]

is today the day we get our tier fixed

[dapper cradle]

quake's the kinda guy to have "Thanks for yummy cummy wummys" emote as he eats a feast in-game

[keen spruce]

thoughts on the accuracy of such a guess?

[spice surge]

Or post something like "Dawnbreaker +10, Xalatath feet lickers only"

[keen spruce]

i feel attacked

[spice spire]

It was a 13 feet lickers only!!

[spice spire]

Also not so much

I’m far more serious in actuality

[hexed frost]

How's the old cleave build doing these days? (Arterial Precision+ DTB) Still valid?

[dapper cradle]

no way

2 weeks for the patch?

with tier that doesn't even work for some classes?

[spice surge]

I mean ye its either that or +1/2 weeks

But probably that

[normal mist]

honestly, besides some key talents, everything is valid!

[keen spruce]

maybe i can squeeze out title without upgrading my 15gb or nw

patch hurry up

i wanna unsub

[dapper cradle]

dipping out for s2?

[spice spire]

Mf getting title to unsub?

[keen spruce]

like a real casual

[normal mist]

Real rogues unsub before title so others can have a chance

[keen spruce]

no u gotta get title safe

then join title keys and int them

[uneven plume]

first or second week of march

[spice spire]

God ur so real for that

[uneven plume]

my guess

[keen spruce]

gatekeep girlbossing

[uneven plume]

unless they decide to release an undercooked s2

earlier

[dapper cradle]

normalize being toxic and manipulative

[keen spruce]

they'd never release an undercooked season

[fast elk]

is ptr still clown fiesta?

[spice spire]

Check pins

[deft sluice]

Absolutely not

[balmy condor]

sleep with one eye open

[ancient rain]

did someone write somewhere how to use the egg?

[slate crown]

just hover around 20/10

or 10/20

the on-use locks the numbers and isn't a cooldown, it's just a way to prevent the numbers from changing if you have to move for a mechanic

[ancient rain]

i see, thanks

[balmy condor]

20/10 yeh

[supple compass]

Would you guys take a .3% loss on st and neutral change in aoe for rash cloak

[balmy condor]

probably not

it's kinda fine defensively but it's not going to actually save you from anything

it only triggers after you take the damage in the first place and then gives you the defensive bonus

when you probably don't even need it

so like kinda whatever

[late gulch]

is rogues looking to be good in s2? was not sure where to ask but am playing assassin atm so 😛 🙂

[balmy condor]

won't know until s2

[charred wraith]

assuming they keep the change that you can get mythic gear from vault via delves, that means it expands the trinket list right at mythic/hc lvl?

[whole snow]

when did they change that

[balmy condor]

what

[spice surge]

It was just mythic crests no? Not mythic vaults

[whole snow]

pretty sure they just give gilded crests

[balmy condor]

correct

they just give crests

[novel dragon]

Rogue is good now. There are almost no changes to our class/spec trees except for a few buffs to outlaw

[charred wraith]

oh not gear, just crests, mb

[whole snow]

myth loot from delves would be wild

https://tenor.com/view/hiking-snow-white-and-the-seven-dwarves-seven-dwarves-log-walk-gif-16897772

[novel dragon]

So it will probably be fine. Realy question is how trinkets will impact the class and the new set pieces

[late gulch]

yea true 🙂

[balmy condor]

hasn't been any tuning

so who knows

there's a 2min trinket and a 1:30 trinket

so there's not like any missing requirement for assa/sub

kinda just pure speculation at this point

[spice surge]

And the 1:30 trinket gives more stats than the 2 min one

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice spire]

You have 2 days, young Vhispyr

[balmy condor]

I mean until they actually put numbers on things

what are we doing ya know

[spice spire]

Sitting with our thumb in our ass is what we’re doing

And like I’m not being funny

[balmy condor]

"is rogue doomed" and it's just 700 placeholder numbers and buggy tier sets

[spice spire]

There’s nothing to be done

[balmy condor]

incredible

[novel dragon]

making predictions lol

[spice spire]

John blizzard does not take kindly to predictions

[balmy condor]

you can only make predictions if you have data to make predictions with

you don't have data

[novel dragon]

Are you the theorycrafting police? lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah kinda?

[spice surge]

Assa real bad, sub at the top. 1000% verified based prediction right here

[novel dragon]

People can have predictions and thoughts about the future. Not a huge deal. I understand there is little numbers - so don't listen to takes. But fun to discuss thoughts

[balmy condor]

I can make one prediction

aug in m+ probably good

[spice spire]

It’s a fools errand tho

I also have one prediction

[rough rapids]

anyone got a import for MRT reminders for assas Queen Mythic?

[spice spire]

Thursday night I will have a picture of @balmy condor ‘s feet

[balmy condor]

kinda depends on when you're sending cooldowns, no?

[rough rapids]

mainly on cd

[novel dragon]

This?

{time:00:08} - {spell:360194}
{time:00:10} - {spell:385627}
{time:01:11} - {spell:385627}
{time:02:08} - {spell:360194}
{time:02:11} - {spell:385627}
{time:03:11} - {spell:385627}
{time:04:13} - {spell:360194}
{time:04:14} - {spell:385627}
{time:05:15} - {spell:385627}
{time:06:33} - {spell:360194}
{time:06:36} - {spell:385627}
{time:07:54} - {spell:385627}

This would only be DM and KB

but roughly "on CD" timings for queen

[rough rapids]

ty will play around with it

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078500556139659357/1266583932426653826/attachment.gif

[dapper cradle]

are you the theorycrafting police

what does whisp know about sin smh

[red schooner]

Quick one, queen ansurek mythic, is it worth changing talents to get the 2x vanish node?

[spice surge]

No

[red schooner]

For breaking the roots

Okay ty

[dapper cradle]

at this point in the season, roots die so fast just from cleave

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[spice spire]

[red schooner]

noted ty

[dapper cradle]

if you are having issue with it though

you'll always have vanish for the first set of roots

and it'll line up with you using it offensively with MA

second one you can cloak

[red schooner]

ye i tried that, third one i was left for dead so I'm trying to work it out

got told to stack on the tank cos he's also being cleaved

[dapper cradle]

yeee you can always flex your cloak for third set

[red schooner]

i got left in there

fuckin' abandoned

[dapper cradle]

if your group is running out of gas by third set

[balmy condor]

getting cleaved out of second usually safer

[dapper cradle]

we have some giga ret, warrior, and havocs in my group

so shit just breaks so fast

[red schooner]

i'm just getting abandoned in the web despite being in the cleave stack

[balmy condor]

bring it up to your raid

[red schooner]

ye I did

so there's going to be more cleave focus

so we might be good

we're learning p1 so its all messy as fuck right now

[balmy condor]

oh

well if you're still progging p1

then no issue

[pure moth]

When things mellow out it will fix itself

[red schooner]

ye first night on it

[gilded oasis]

Just pay your prot pally to freedom and spellward you, worked well for me

[red schooner]

the prot pally got bribed before i got to him

[gilded oasis]

Damn

[red schooner]

ye

[gilded oasis]

(I didn't even bribe mine we had too many and I just got it randomly one night and it never stopped)

[pure moth]

Offer more g

[red schooner]

but i'm skint

[gilded oasis]

Offer feet pics

[red schooner]

and i ain't buying a token

god no

[gilded oasis]

Offer whispyrs feet pics

But yeah they should get omega cleaved once people are more used to everything p1

[red schooner]

It'll clean up it was just a repeated source of deaths for me early on so I wanted to make sure i wasn't fucking something up.

things are very scuffed and chaotic right now

[pure moth]

Could just cloak that part and readjust where you use it when you clean it up

[red schooner]

if i cloak 2nd i run into the same issue on 3rd

first is fine cos vanish lines up nicely

[dapper cradle]

did the plunderstorm heroic cache thing not work for anyone?

the wowhead article said that once you earn 5k plunder you're supposed to get some item mailed out to you

but I never got that item

[balmy condor]

was speculated

[fickle lotus]

Does PTR still have the same issues from Whispyr's first video going over set bonus? Or are we assuming it's "intended"?

[balmy condor]

I don't think it was ever confirmed

[balmy condor]

nothings changed

so

still bugged gg

[fickle lotus]

[balmy condor]

would be a pin

if things changed

[red schooner]

its fine rogue changes and fixes are surely coming

it has to be

no i'm not coping you're coping

[spice spire]

Never coped a day in my life

[timid bramble]

i set up the timers with nugrunning addon and its better than the Weakaura

My question is do we really need to track Altracity?

[spice surge]

Absolutely not

[balmy condor]

tf is nugrunning

[timid bramble]

It seems to just come with normal rotation

Nugrunning is a Timer addon I used on Warlock since 2008

lol

Its very clean and easy to use - you can have it track all the mobs or just the mob you are targetting (which is what i chose) to remind for caustic splatter and stuff

similar as using the WA package and seeingf the number/timer on the icon

instead its just bars

[spice surge]

Did they do away with the dinar from renown
Its not listed in the renown rewards in their most recent post

[timid bramble]

I used real Dinars when i lived in Jordan

Jordan Dinar (currency)

So if you want I can give u some i have in my drawer

[balmy condor]

eleem can't buy a 1:30 trinket with that I'm afraid

[spice surge]

Ill just loot it first kill

Np

[timid bramble]

😦

[timid bramble]

a potential last question is - do we just not use kingsbane on ST (in m+ where we take the talent)

[spice surge]

Im not quake though, ive coped a lot in my days

[timid bramble]

is it a waste of energy

[spice surge]

You definitely want to use your singletarget cooldown on ST

[timid bramble]

im stupid

Crimson Tempest

was working on kingsbane stuff so it was in my head lol

I meant CT

[golden loom]

CT on 2+ targets

[timid bramble]

ok so use for like when adds spawn in NW bosses and stuff like that

but no need in opener

[dapper cradle]

wish the plunder box was just a one time store item tbh

[timid bramble]

thats Cute girl in game

[golden loom]

Yeah its very good for when adds spawns

[timid bramble]

thanks*

appreciate your help during the last 48 hours

super fun class tbh

[royal lantern]

you need to increase the horny thoughts for that

[golden loom]

Cause more targets = more ct damage on boss

[dapper cradle]

one of my fav quake bangers

[spice spire]

Damn im so real for that

[royal lantern]

are you real?

[thorny kraken]

does our poison damage not trigger the seal of the poisoned pact proc?

[royal lantern]

it does, but the proc has a CD

so the "nature dmg gives more stacks" thing is kinda a meme

cus it does literally almost nothing

[thorny kraken]

ahh internal cooldown

well that blows 😛

[royal lantern]

like, yeha its technically better on assa and stuff like balance druid

but the "better" part is like, idk

not really

[spice spire]

I’m not

[timid bramble]

One more for my head - why wouldnt people want double vanish for the large longer pulls to keep spreading our dots

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vanish-cat-gif-23555257

[limber lion]

Just spread em manually

[timid bramble]

is forced induction that good

[limber lion]

You don't play Forced Induction in Mythic+

[timid bramble]

yeah some peeps posted it here as an option and some are using it it seems

Slice and dice heal! 😛

[limber lion]

You can play literally anything

[balmy condor]

they do it for the single target

[golden loom]

I mean you can and some do, there are like 10 different builds that do stuff

[limber lion]

If you want more st, go for it

[timid bramble]

yeah i get it, for more Prio target on higher keys

got it

[limber lion]

If you want more utility/aoe, do the other thingy

[balmy condor]

not even prio

just boss

[timid bramble]

i cant hear you you are whispering to low

jk dumb joke

thanks 😄

[balmy condor]

most of the time people can't even keep the prio target long enough to survive cds

so in that case would actually be counterproductive

real gigachad gamers play a bleed build with no kingsbane

that's based

[limber lion]

It's true

The only build I play

Love that shit

[golden loom]

I am gonna do the bleedmax deluxe build tomorrow cause I got too triggered from mobs dying in second after i cooldowned them

[royal lantern]

reminds me of varas with "did a +17 NW and the golem didnt even survive a full dm+kb"

[humble verge]

golem

whut

[rare jackal]

no kingsbane
no deathmark

back to tradition, as god intended

[royal lantern]

flesh golem dudes on the first pull

[spice surge]

Yes theres tons of pulls where your main targets die before DM is over if your enhance isnt turbo unlucky

[royal lantern]

idk the name

big guys with the tank hit

[spice spire]

Oh the stitchers

[humble verge]

they are called vanguards

smh

[timid bramble]

yeah im trying to get used to knowing if its worth DM on some packs when it seems like everyone has CDs up

or like if boss is in 2 pulls

[humble verge]

fuck

wrong

i love the reply

[spice surge]

Bro tagged me 💀

[humble verge]

just not replying to the one i want

yes eleem

[midnight mist]

it doesnt survive in 19 either

[spice spire]

Mf I’ll tag you

[humble verge]

i am literally hovering tryan and it still goes to you

[midnight mist]

im still looking for the key level where it does

[golden loom]

Tbh big demise stocks just keep going up

To the moon

[limber lion]

Just gotta play more and learn when it's worth it and when it's not. Just comes from experience, no real answers there

Most of the time

Just send it

Less thinking, more buttons

[royal lantern]

yo gotta do a "+ddosd the shaman" for that

[limber lion]

[spice surge]

Nah bro ill hide behind the slide and then ill dodge you and run straight for the swings

[royal lantern]

ye sometimes discord is a perfect piece of software

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/bought-property-egypt-give-gif-12060490311026397794

my reaction

[golden loom]

Has that guy ever had a guest on his podcast

I swear he is just a ragebaiter

[humble verge]

hoooly

new acronym for PoS

[spice surge]

Property in egypt

[balmy condor]

bro is buying the pyramids

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-eye-of-ra-jeremiah-springfield-jeremiah-springfield-the-eye-of-ra-gif-17650319337074158023

[clever sapphire]

10% court pull, any day now

[humble verge]

court

ive died on both reclears

[final star]

our weekly single line

[solar wyvern]

Surprised we didn't see outlaw slight of hand % changes for the third week in a row

[worldly sail]

ctrl+f rogue

https://tenor.com/view/maçavras1-gif-16101498646883457546

[royal lantern]

"increase the set RtB chance"

"reduced the set RtB chance"

[cerulean nest]

can someone explain to me how I lost my mark here

https://www.twitch.tv/meeser_peter/clip/HealthyClumsyTildeDancingBanana-J0otaqXE44EzJCQU

[royal lantern]

"increased the set RtB chance"

[midnight mist]

"Chance of rolling a 5 buff has been increased to 2.5% (was 2%)"

[midnight mist]

you press evis as it dies

happens

[royal lantern]

next week: Chance of rolling a 5buff has been reduced to 2% (was 2.5%)"

[cerulean nest]

dumb af

[midnight mist]

ye

[red schooner]

i got the prot pally on my side for ansurek roots

all is well

[humble verge]

wait

did they remove the

30s cd for 2nd use trinket?

[balmy condor]

no

[humble verge]

hm

[balmy condor]

that would be insane

[humble verge]

well

i could use both

the egg from ovi

and the skardyn

?_?

[balmy condor]

well yeah

the egg active doesn't do anything

[humble verge]

ohhh

[balmy condor]

so it doesn't incur the cd

[humble verge]

makes sense ig

[dapper cradle]

Is rogue saved with the last changes?

[humble verge]

idk

is there a new pin

[tawdry halo]

Still a fiesta

[dapper cradle]

We are so back

[spice spire]

This does not constitute the dogs

[keen spruce]

you should plan for every pack to take about 1m so you're rotating between KB and DM/KB each pack

if packs are consistently dying too fast then u should just do higher keys

[clever sapphire]

court did in fact not die tonight

sadge

[royal lantern]

@blazing skiff hey look

called it

[midnight mist]

wrong zac

but that was a last week change ye

[proper cosmos]

Are we ignored this week too?

[pure moth]

Most weeks..yes

[proper cosmos]

Oke thanks! cya next week 🙂

[hoary remnant]

Rogue wont change at all. All 3 specs just need tuning and bug fix

[tawdry halo]

Me and all my homies in the bug fix waiting room

[clever sapphire]

being ignored also means not getting bugfixes

[hoary remnant]

singular focus got bug fixes

[clever sapphire]

i couldnt give a singular fuck about that

badum tss

[tawdry halo]

Tier set when

[polar timber]

might be a get changes in .5 patch angle again here

[nocturne quail]

enha down

sin up

[brisk vapor]

delete outlaw when

[final star]

go watch any spec in the game and realise they don't have to deal with anything close to as stupid as deathstalkers mark and how it applies/works

it's quite obscene

[hoary remnant]

true its bad for sin and more w/e for sub

all 3 hero talents for rogue are total garbo if you play some other specs/classes

[tawdry halo]

Also feel like blizz had the opportunity to change deathstalker in the .5 changes if they cared about it

and they didn't so...

[hoary remnant]

they should just change it like how mark for death was

and just make it an actual damage cooldown

[tawdry halo]

i'm not disagreeing

[hoary remnant]

but I guess then we have to many buttons XD

[tawdry halo]

I think it's janky as hell and weird to play around

[hoary remnant]

highly depends on boss fight also

silken court or queen its a pain on other bosses its w/e

[tawdry halo]

i'd settle for the "i pressed envenom as the mob died and consumed darkest night" bug fix

[red schooner]

court mark management was a pain in the arse

[hoary remnant]

some would argue its a skill expression. I say its a pain in the ass and not fun gameplay

[severe meadow]

No new pin

See you next week

[red schooner]

sometimes it just lines up badly when you need to swap bosses, but its just, trying to deal with the dance, normal rotation AND mark?

painful

[timber meadow]

yeah was hyped for new pin but i just hadn't checked since exiles update gg

[final star]

it's abuse

everyone else just gets cool thing that happens

we get like 20 conditionals

[cunning scaffold]

It does feel abusive to try to prog p2 ansurek as deathstalker and lose your hero talents on a platform

[royal lantern]

that all are just "FINISHER does more dmg"

lol

[tawdry halo]

fun and engaging gameplay

[red schooner]

i have this to look forward to ;-: I'm one of the platform swapping people

We got to the intermission tonight so... not bad for first night.

[cunning scaffold]

It’s pretty chill if you have some consistency and can map out 4 spenders on a mob without it dying

But it’s not good gameplay

[spice surge]

I mean assa itself is quite horrid on adds that die fast like that anyway

Especially without m+ talents

[red schooner]

yeah, get rolling with dots and its over

[burnt star]

Another ptr tuning. And still nothing for assa. Quite funny at this point

[spice surge]

What do you want

[burnt star]

Change to 2/4 piece. What else

Change to deathstalker application condition

[midnight mist]

Removal of deathstalker

[red schooner]

deathstalker as a buff on the rogue instead of on a target? idk if that'd fuck shit up

[spice spire]

Seethe

[winged quail]

Skill issue

[spice surge]

Idk why the assa tier set gets so much hate, sure its not great but pretty much all tier this season are like that

[burnt star]

Not the caster one

[tawdry halo]

i thought he meant fix the bugs

on the tier

[winged quail]

Yeah but like the 4 set is REALLY bad

[midnight mist]

I will fight you

[winged quail]

Like a few empowered envenoms per fight is shit

[midnight mist]

Anyone that likes the mark mechanic is a psychopath

[spice spire]

Zac I can lift you with one arm sit down

[midnight mist]

And I will stand my grounds

[midnight mist]

I'm 1.90

[flint tusk]

omg guys we're up to 5 lines of text in the next patch 😮 amazing

[midnight mist]

Im quite tall

Idk if you could

[royal lantern]

im 2.02

so we are not the same

[midnight mist]

Is that even possible

[royal lantern]

manlet zac

[midnight mist]

Why lie you noob

[spice spire]

If you’re under 135 kg I can

[midnight mist]

I'm way under that

[spice spire]

Yeah

[midnight mist]

But I'm tall so it would be awkard

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/stick-bug-stick-bugged-bug-dancing-bug-dancing-gif-18059923

[spice spire]

Brother I’m picking you up horizontal

[pliant remnant]

zac irl

[midnight mist]

Like trying to pull a very very big thing but not necessarily heavy you know w

[spice spire]

Real

[midnight mist]

Ok sure ..

[tawdry halo]

[earnest remnant]

gonna carry his ass like a chanel bag ong

[midnight mist]

Guys ..

[spice spire]

Dog that’s what I’m saying

[midnight mist]

Why you bully tho

[spice spire]

Mf says fight me

[midnight mist]

I'm nice and all

[spice spire]

Doesn’t want this smoke

[midnight mist]

And you bully

Why

[spice spire]

Also fwiw strength does nothing if you can’t fight in just being funny

Sorry Zac you don’t deserve this

I’ll ping you for outlaw next tier

[earnest remnant]

now what if

[midnight mist]

Thanks

[earnest remnant]

i can do both

[midnight mist]

I accept your apologies

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

[spice spire]

I can box and wrestle. It’s good enough

[lavish geyser]

for large pulls do you just open normally? or wanna manually put rupture on remaining targetsw?

[keen spruce]

i just open normally

[lavish geyser]

ok 🙂

[earnest remnant]

rupture until enerergy saturated

or to max out scent

[keen spruce]

sometimes it's better to get your CDs rolling

quickly

sometimes it don't matter

but normal opener should saturate scent

[spice surge]

I mean if it sucks numerically its just gonna get buffed. Idk to me the set makes sense as you would want to make sure you have enough energy to always be able to envenom > mut > mut > envenom if it procs

[dapper cradle]

Noooo haha don’t pin me down haha nooo go easy on me nooo

[spice surge]

And if it doesnt proc, well then youre still doing more finisher damage

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

Like how people are glazing the sub set for being good in theory but in practice it ends up promoting awful gameplay patterns, so how good is it really

[royal lantern]

eleem, both suck

but tbh, for the sub set its mostly that people dont see the bad gameplay it promotes

the set by itself makes "more sense"

then you think about it and see the flaws

[winged quail]

Idk I think the design is dogshit too, if the chance to proc remains low it means you warp your gameplay for a couple VERY strong envenoms every fight if they buff the numbers. Or they have to seriously buff the proc chance at which point your 4 set and 2 set are at odds with each other and you actively want to lose your 2 set

Also yeah Sub set is weird and could introduce degen gameplay

[spice surge]

Is slightly changing your gameplay ("warp around") not something we want from a tier set?

[royal lantern]

eh, depeends

like, if the "change your gameplay" is "sit on CP and wait for a proc that maybe doesnt happen so you dump 2 finishers into a 4sec window"

its kinda really bad lol

[winged quail]

My thoughts exactly

[spice surge]

I mean you'd sit on it anyway because of energy

[winged quail]

There’s good gameplay warping and bad, this set looks bad

[spice surge]

So it doesnt really matter

Youre just shifting when youre holding

[winged quail]

Also it’s another aura tracking set

[spice surge]

"another"

[winged quail]

Wait for the bing bing wahoo weakaura

[spice surge]

None of the last 4 has been anything you needed to track

[royal lantern]

not really cus yo dont track it

[spice surge]

But ye you shouldnt really need to track it, as if its strong enough to play around you would always do it. So it wouldnt change your decisionmaking

[winged quail]

Right but there’s nothing telling you it’s procced unless you have a WA to track the buff

Cuz nobody is staring at their buff bar all fight

[keen spruce]

tier set borning stat / pseudo master: "thsee tier sets are so uncreative and lame, it's just shitty mastery every tier

Tier set slightly changes gameplay and needs to be interacted with: "these tier sets are destroying the rotation and promoting unhealthy gameplay"

[royal lantern]

eh, i repeat what i said

it depeends on what it changes/promotes

[winged quail]

This set is boring mastery + shit gameplay changes tho

It’s worse of both worlds

[deft vault]

bring back sepulcher tier set

[keen spruce]

idk what people expect from tier sets tbh

[spice spire]

Realest mf I know

[deft vault]

sepulcher sub tier was pogger as fuck

[lavish geyser]

how is assa st for dungeons?

[deft vault]

and assa tier was banging

[keen spruce]

bad

[runic hinge]

Sepulcher tier set with 1 min vendetta leggo

[lavish geyser]

makes sense. I only felt i was doing dmg when i had kings bane or deathmark

[tawdry halo]

if you play the dungeon build it's not the best, but you shine on packs

[lavish geyser]

yeah. I was doing very well on packs

[tawdry halo]

best to group with some ridiculous ST spec like enhance

[deft vault]

right forgot we played the 1 min vendetta leggo, fuck that was nice

[lavish geyser]

just did that yeah

what is the st normally at? given we dont have aug

[tawdry halo]

depends on your ilvl and how much energy you have to dump into feint for defensive power

and your gear

[lavish geyser]

just played with a not so great healer, so had to slam everything on cd

[tawdry halo]

honestly just sim ST with the dungeon build

give you a ceiling you can compare yourself against

[lavish geyser]

didnt really need like a specific answer

but ill do it ig 🙂

[tawdry halo]

my answer would be throwing darts at a dart board which i imagine wouldnt be helpful

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/B3Fy3Kf.jpeg

[humble verge]

floorpov

he said sac on 3rd

and i didnt get sac

"i thought you wer egonna evasion"

dawg

well they are atleast killing the boss ig

but this aint timeable

[tawdry halo]

standard pally griefing arc

[humble verge]

hes a 3,55 evo i believe

but just plays this as an alt

5 minute boss pogga

[spice surge]

Also to respond to this: Dont think anything is bugged with it, nor has it been since last week, possibly before then

[tawdry halo]

wait the tier set is working as intended?

[spice surge]

The 4p is 50% and not 30% (so 2p becomes 45%), but ye unless it just doesnt increase the things it says it increases, which i havent double checked

But the procs and effects work like they should, which is what people were complaining about at launch

[tawdry halo]

winning streak still procs off bleed ticks? that's intentional?

[spice surge]

No

[tawdry halo]

o

I thought that bug was still in place

[tranquil cobalt]

So our tier set is still horrible right

[visual kiln]

hey guys, question on assa. when u open from stealth with garrote and rupture, do u have to switch targets to the targets that don't have rupture and garrote or does it apply automatically to the targets that are missing the debuff without switching targets when u press them a 2nd time?

[humble verge]

yes

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[visual kiln]

oh damn thats so nice

tyvm ❤️

[balmy condor]

it didn't work on thursday

[spice surge]

It worked when i went over the sub bugs last week atleast

Which probably was on friday

Either way it seems to work now

[balmy condor]

banger

[main monolith]

[spice surge]

And ye the 4p buff is 50%, so the 2p goes from 30 > 45%

[main monolith]

assa is back?

[spice surge]

Atleast on tooltip, havent double checked

[tawdry halo]

name change incoming

[spice spire]

Nah eleem is gaslighting

Don’t listen to the propaganda

[tawdry halo]

not me halfway through my morning coffee confused

[spice surge]

Ill light your ass bud

[spice spire]

Do it pussy

[spice surge]

With some deliciously cooked hotpot

[waxen oyster]

I enjoy people posting their ptr sims

and im just like

"i have no clue what spec im playing next tier"

[earnest remnant]

yo share

[tawdry halo]

assassin rogue ride or die

unless it's shit

then maybe sub rogue

[waxen oyster]

I stole stealthi's gochujang

No one tell him

[spice spire]

That’s fiendish

Gochujang my goat

[spice surge]

It truly is

[royal lantern]

gaslighting is not real

[tawdry halo]

[spice surge]

I dont think you even know what gaslighting is mate

[crystal vault]

finally big changes

[keen spruce]

It’s gaslamping

[lavish geyser]

or he is gaslighting you into thinking gaslighting isnt real?

ever thought abt that?🧐

[keen spruce]

It’s not called gaslighting it’s gas lamping

[lavish geyser]

end season pugging is not real man XD. I dont know what im playing with, lol

[waxen oyster]

Why are you still pugging

[balmy condor]

toes?

[waxen oyster]

You only see some "creatures"

[lavish geyser]

cause I dont have friends who play above a 10 :C

[spice spire]

Not confirmed doesn’t exist

[lavish geyser]

well I do but theyre all on a team

got a friend who can easily do high keys, with me. he just cba. But got him to play with me next season

[royal lantern]

it doesnt exist

[spice surge]

I prefer the unedited response ngl

[royal lantern]

keyboard acting up

[spice surge]

"I doesnt exist"

[lavish geyser]

spend 30 min, just for a tank to uverpull and kill us XD, and insta leave. at least it was his key

[royal lantern]

:c

[earnest remnant]

cant believe tryan is trying to gaslight eleem into thinking gaslighting doesent exist

[lavish geyser]

we isnt exist

[earnest remnant]

smh

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idk tanks seem to instaleave

when they die to overpull

[keen spruce]

it's only an overpull if they die tho

[lavish geyser]

it was gb and dude wanted some extra casters ig, while having to get the hell out of the way from the dragon

[lavish geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[keen spruce]

when they link u this route and slam the key without a timer

u know u ++ing

[lavish geyser]

fax

[balmy condor]

Tier Set and 11.1 Updates

(there are none)
BUT THE TIER SET IS FIXED (kinda) AND NO LONGER PROCCING OFF OF BLEED TICKS
There is still a remaining bug where the 15% chance to lose the 2piece is triggered by each enemy hit by CT, rather than each cast

However, this is a great step in the right direction but also the tier still sucks numerically and doesn't really provide much in terms of gameplay. The 4 piece proc rate is still somewhere in the 20-25% range (the actual number isn't visible), and aside from the 2 piece uptime being a semi-weak mastery buff, there isn't much here.

"How is Assa in...."
We don't know. We won't know. We can't know. Until there's tangible, sweeping tuning across the board to all classes/specs (including assassination), it's just blind speculation of what will be strong or meta. For now all we know is that Assassination isn't changing significantly, the rotation and all that will be identical, just with more ilvl and new trinkets (which also haven't been tuned).

Check back next week for more banger update pins that are 500 words of basically no info (or maybe the week after, or the week after that week)

[lavish geyser]

got a question, how is assa in s2?🧐 '

[spice spire]

Oh so like quakestep is happening I guess

Damn

[keen spruce]

ok but

you didn't give it a tier list letter grade

[subtle tundra]

??

i watch

[buoyant herald]

Just go watch Petko’s latest vid he’ll tell you a rating

🤠

[balmy condor]

also lowkey the fact that you can just do this because having to communicate a route is pointless in current m+ where you just hold W and need to pull basically every pack to begin with is dumb and stupid and please fix m+

[lavish geyser]

i feel like everyone is saying m+ is bad. kinda always, except for legion, which i have never played. I really love the fact that I dont have play with an affix anymore.

[keen spruce]

linear dunge-

[fresh kelp]

I’m more upset that the second boss area isn’t labelled pussy/ass since it looks much more like it than end boss

[lavish geyser]

except ig challengers, which is just... why

[balmy condor]

it's been getting worse imo, tww sorta started going back the right way

but blizzard has spent the majority of the last decade making m+ a survival simulator more than an actual time trial

[lavish geyser]

I just like that there arent weeks where you just dont play m+. we had a 2 week period where my tank didnt wanna play cause of the affix. but seems like its getting better.

[balmy condor]

making trash packs have a billion kicks to prevent double/triple pulling

[keen spruce]

I can confidently say that I have not lost a key to timer a SINGLE time this entire season

[lavish geyser]

the ammount of kicks is quite annoying yeh

wont we also just have hardcasting mobs in the new season?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lavish geyser]

XD

[balmy condor]

the thing I really liked about legion m+ was that while degenerate pulls existed with like just pulling half the dungeon and pulling it back to the start

you still had to like route plan

[lavish geyser]

well wym? like with 0 deahts?

[balmy condor]

to make the timer

[lavish geyser]

but like finessing Nw is kinda cool

[balmy condor]

like the idea was a lot more focused on how do we deal the most damage possible to beat the timer

and less "well if we don't have 3 spears for 2nd to last boss nw we die"

[keen spruce]

yeah or like a 2 death run being lost by 30s or something like that

any relatively clean run

and timer is just like a non-factor

[waxen oyster]

I mean to me

[keen spruce]

until like 17/18

[waxen oyster]

streamers ruined m+

[lone junco]

ive always hated the timer for "success"

[waxen oyster]

People jerk off whatever streamers do

in keys

[lavish geyser]

oh yeah, doesnt really happen. I think I had 1. 14 SoB, maybe had more actually, just a 1,2 m overall dk with like 5 deahts

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean if you get griefed by someone doing healer damage

then sure

[waxen oyster]

Most we had in legion was tmsean doing shoeys for weekly chest 15s.

[keen spruce]

but i don't pug that much anymore

[lone junco]

always thought success could be completion, but that would stay +0. still get rewards and coins or whatever.

[lavish geyser]

missed it by 40 sec

btw

[royal lantern]

"this is the worst state of PvP EVER"

PvP players since TBC every single patch

EVERY

SINGLE

PATCH

[waxen oyster]

pvp players are never happy

what do you expect

[lavish geyser]

I feel like noone is ever happy XD

[keen spruce]

I actually really like m+ this season

just not a fan of last 2 bosses in NW

and parts of CoT

[waxen oyster]

same

[keen spruce]

and siege last boss

[lavish geyser]

except raiders?

[keen spruce]

rest is fun

[waxen oyster]

(i havent left mists or dawnbreaker in months)

[waxen field]

new patch, no lines 😎

[keen spruce]

15s death timer bad

[hollow river]

it was good in SL

[royal lantern]

lol

[lavish geyser]

feel like the 2nd one doesnt really matter. just the last one that sucks balls

I dare you to step foot into warrior discord. damn, whole ocean of tears

[waxen oyster]

Isn't the warrior discord

just 200 lines of cope

about they're not good in m+

every day

[novel arrow]

Hey guys. Is there a good weakaura to track DS Mark? I keep losing who it's on. And ... I keep forgetting if it's even on someone

I need help with it

[keen spruce]

still losing a lot of keys to stitchy

but one of them we had a 3450 ENH shaman do less damage than me and the ret paladin on Stichy

[lavish geyser]

they are absolute horrible and soo bad. literally getting outdpssed by a VDH in trash pulls. but at some point you gotta stop. They are saying they dont want buffs but a rework. and not matter how many buff they get, they dont care

[keen spruce]

and he says "unlucky procs"

[lavish geyser]

.-.

lol

[hollow river]

track it on nameplate. plater/betterblizzplates/kui/etc/etc/etc

[lavish geyser]

but how?

[keen spruce]

comp that can't one phase but also doesn't ahve good enough cleave

to kill first creation efficiently

[lavish geyser]

sometimes though its quite annoying that the poison pool or whateveer it is, is right on boss, so I cant melee

[keen spruce]

tank gets flattened on double add

[lavish geyser]

but with spear through add?

[keen spruce]

or someone dies to needle while the pulsing damage ramps up too high

[waxen oyster]

Enhance with average procs

[keen spruce]

idk man i just show up

[waxen oyster]

is just slightly above everyone else

[keen spruce]

we normally die way before stitchy

[waxen oyster]

enh with good procs is

LMAOOOOOOO

[lavish geyser]

I 622 on my enhance, im doing sooo much dmg its insane

and its without skardyns

[midnight mist]

Have you tried playing the dungeon the correct way

[waxen oyster]

Yeah im playing transmitter on mine

pain

[novel arrow]

Is there a way to track it without targetting the person? or Mob
I wanna see it's up on "Someone" even tho I'm doing other shit

[midnight mist]

Mcing crafters

Fixes all comps issue

[waxen oyster]

not sure if vial of ascendancy would be better

hmm

[hollow river]

ya, you don't have to target someone to see their plate

[lavish geyser]

easy to do in pug?

[midnight mist]

Depends the kind of pugs

Depends if you have a boomie

Depends how much you wanna use it

[slate crown]

!wa my pack's DSM aura still shows if you detarget. You can make a trigger in WAs have a unit of "Nameplate" or "Multi-target" if you want it to persist when dropping target

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ember mural]

[lavish geyser]

well its a pug, dont know who you play with. some are soo terrible and you wonder if they just dropped a solid 6 mil for boosts or however much it is

[spice surge]

Dogshitiest dungeon

[novel arrow]

Thanks . I'll look right now.

[rain coral]

guys iam human rogue

can i get this

https://www.wowhead.com/item=165477/deathstalkers-shoulderguards?bonus=5126

?

[midnight mist]

I mean ok but if I'm pugging the dungeon in 17 I kinda expect my guy to mc a crafter ateast for last boss

[keen spruce]

not rly

[midnight mist]

Now if you are pugging a 14 idk what you can expect

[keen spruce]

we just kinda slap together whoever is around

and figure it out

[midnight mist]

Do you have a priest

[keen spruce]

rarely

[novel arrow]

It's so annoying because if you drop it. Or it's gone for some reason. and you dont have vanish. Your whole talent tree has been deleted

[midnight mist]

Unlucko

[lavish geyser]

isnt that kinda what makes or breaks it?

XD

[midnight mist]

Key is 10 times easier

Doing it the right way

Omegalul

[midnight mist]

You seen they removed mc squirrels for next season, we are saved

[lavish geyser]

was it intended to use that mob?

[balmy condor]

probably not

[rain coral]

guys is this possible to get for human rogues?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKAZbAsbFJo

[lavish geyser]

idk, feels like that shouldnt really be what makes you able to time it or not

[spice surge]

Not to the extent that it absolutely trivializes the dungeon no

But its literally an extra dps

[balmy condor]

but blizzard doesn't really tune around m+ at levels that high so things like this happen with silly scaling

[spice surge]

Its so stupid

That theyve kept it in

[midnight mist]

I mean it's intended to use other mobs to block the cleaver damage, thus damaging mobs yes

[lavish geyser]

if they didnt I dont know how hight it owuld have been

[midnight mist]

Is it intended to keep one or 2 the whole dungeon to make the dungeon 10 min faster

I doubt that

[lavish geyser]

well yeah, but taking it up to the next boss, as well?=

[dawn heath]

🥖

[midnight mist]

Ye that's kinda a "bug" I guess

You know what's funny

Back in SL

Dk were doing it aswell

They fixed it for dks

[lavish geyser]

huh

lol

[balmy condor]

forgor for priest

[midnight mist]

Ye priest wasn't played back then

I think

Or idk

They just forgot I guess

[lavish geyser]

I feel like its fine, you just dont need to depend on it

[balmy condor]

the problem is that the mob scales with the key

[midnight mist]

Wdym it's fine

[rain coral]

anyone knows how i can get this ? as a human rogue

https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=165477/schulterschützer-des-todespirschers?bonus=5126

[balmy condor]

so it just gets better and better

[spice surge]

The mob literally does 50M damage every 24 seconds

[midnight mist]

I hate mc shit

[hollow river]

#transmog

[lavish geyser]

doesnt hurt anyone. I dont think it should be what makes the key doable or not

[midnight mist]

Mc should just not be a spell you can press in m+

That's it

[midnight mist]

It hurts me dude

[rain coral]

y but are these for horde only?

[midnight mist]

Shits does more damage than me on every boss

No capping

[slate crown]

We do not know, ask in #transmog they are more likely to know.

[lavish geyser]

bro is just better

[hollow river]

probably, ask in the transmog channel they will know better

[slate crown]

If nobody answers your question don't spam the question in the channel

Chances are it's because nobody knows

[midnight mist]

I'm considering rerolling Boomie for nw

[slate crown]

not because you're being deliberately ignored

[spice surge]

The worst part really is that you as a rogue have almost no impact on how well the mc gets handled

[midnight mist]

With only root bound

[spice surge]

You just have to pray that your team does it

[lavish geyser]

you running TGP btw?

[midnight mist]

Just cause it would make the dungeon easier

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-axe-throwing-axe-throw-fail-bounce-gif-14133456

[spice surge]

And if they dont, well you lose

[midnight mist]

Than having a rogue dps

[lavish geyser]

boomie does kinda go crazy

[midnight mist]

Losing Friday ye

[slate crown]

cease this gif

[balmy condor]

5 priests go into NW

[midnight mist]

You need boomies aswell

It's easier

[spice surge]

Sounds like a setup to a joke

[midnight mist]

Just Perma root the guy

So like 2 priest and 2 boomie

And you goated

[lavish geyser]

the name? or you will be losing on friday? XD

[midnight mist]

No ye we losing friday

[lavish geyser]

XD

[midnight mist]

We playing against Kira team and Yoda team

[lavish geyser]

how is that 19 CoT going?

[midnight mist]

And we have to beat one of them

If we wanna go next day

[lavish geyser]

you take yoda ez

trust

[midnight mist]

Outlaw doesn't do enough damage to time it

[normal mist]

problem solved

[lavish geyser]

what are you doing then? shammy?

[midnight mist]

But I'm not good enough assa in city (and in general) cause I never played assa in city

[midnight mist]

Depleting on timer

[lavish geyser]

solid

[midnight mist]

Ya

I'm doing 700k DPS less than casual assa as outlaw

[lavish geyser]

wouldnt bait and swithc make it easer as well?

[lavish geyser]

yikes

[midnight mist]

No outlaw is tankier I think

For last boss I mean

Not necessarily in general (it is)

[lavish geyser]

last boss true

[keen spruce]

outlaw very gud in city

[midnight mist]

But more evasion is better than bigger evasion on last boss imo

[midnight mist]

Best outlaw key btw

[lavish geyser]

just picked up assa again in outlaw gear, and still doing more dmg then most ppl.

[keen spruce]

my buddies did 17 city with fury, outlaw, outlaw, rsham

er monk*

no lust

[dawn heath]

yodas team rn

[keen spruce]

they killed ooze boss

[lavish geyser]

noobs

[keen spruce]

so fkin fast

[midnight mist]

I mean good on them

But I can tell you

Outlaw isn't good enough

[keen spruce]

well yeah

[midnight mist]

I tried so hard dude

[keen spruce]

eventually it fall off

[dawn heath]

who would have thought

[keen spruce]

cuz of the raw throughput

[dawn heath]

outlaw wasnt good enough

[lavish geyser]

XD

outlaw not being good enough is an anomaly

[midnight mist]

But it's city tho

And that boss doesn't have armor

And I'm doing more than 2 million st DPS on that guy

How is it not good enough

[lavish geyser]

who are you playing with?

[midnight mist]

Frencha

[spice surge]

Is your enhance padding on smallies

[lavish geyser]

what comp?

[dawn heath]

dude i cant stand these americans

[midnight mist]

Normal comp

Just me

[dawn heath]

who just will not stop playing dk

dk is so garbage

[lavish geyser]

ah ok

they arent lacking in dmg?

[midnight mist]

Idk

Who

Us

Yes

Cause I play outlaw in city

[lavish geyser]

lol

[dawn heath]

why dont u just play sin

[lavish geyser]

But sin on ST?

[midnight mist]

Idk I'm like not good enough at sin in city it seems

[dawn heath]

i think sin is better in every key

[midnight mist]

Ye it iss

[lavish geyser]

thought you were a gamer zac

[midnight mist]

Ye at outlaw

[dawn heath]

baguette dif

[lavish geyser]

fr

[midnight mist]

Tbf I never played assa ever before this season

That's my excuse

But ye

[dawn heath]

me neither

[lavish geyser]

feel like that is alot of ppl

[spice spire]

False bestie

Heroic jailer in 9.2

Checkmate pal

[dawn heath]

legit dont understnad why the americans will play these shit dks until the end of time

doing aug damage

[midnight mist]

In keys

[spice spire]

Didn’t say in keys!!!

[midnight mist]

I said it now !

[spice spire]

I’m being a shit Zac

Obtuse even

[lavish geyser]

just checked the leaderboard. why are there teams who are doing weeklies in there😂

[midnight mist]

Wdym

[lavish geyser]

on raider.io

is it just open for everyone?=

[midnight mist]

Ye

Tgp is like

[lavish geyser]

ah ok makes sense

[midnight mist]

5 good teams

[fresh kelp]

Well you have to qualify via time trial

[midnight mist]

Then the rest are just randos

And time trial is the best 16 teams

[lavish geyser]

top 24 has a 14 CoT as the best -.-

[midnight mist]

Which isn't that hard

Cause like

[fresh kelp]

but also I imagine time trials with infinite time is much easier than doing actual big keys on stream with limited time to try

[midnight mist]

There is only 5 teams that are real

You know

[lavish geyser]

ye

[midnight mist]

Everyone is so much worse at the game

[lavish geyser]

who qualifies?

[midnight mist]

When you can restart the keys

It's actually crazy

[midnight mist]

16 best

[lavish geyser]

ah ok, seems that is where keys get big as well

idk abt winning against kira but yoda, you seem to better then rn

well at least placed higher

[midnight mist]

Well we are randos tho

Yoda is yosa

Not yosa

He is yoda

That guy is like

[lavish geyser]

but you are doing better then him rn

[midnight mist]

You know he has a light saber and shit

He is the force master or whatever

Kinda hard to beat the dude prolly

[lavish geyser]

XD, only found out abt him this season

[earnest remnant]

keys inting he will

trust me you must

[lavish geyser]

but you are doing it rn

though

[midnight mist]

I watched him fight that count doku guy

Bro was jumping everywhere

Maybe we win tho who knows

[lavish geyser]

what are you waffling abt XD

[midnight mist]

Then we lose immediately after

[lavish geyser]

but you beat yoda

then

and you know

yoda is yosa

no

he is yoda!

[midnight mist]

Real and true

[lavish geyser]

idk i would take it XD

[midnight mist]

[lavish geyser]

we gaming outlaw next szn?

[earnest remnant]

no

outlaw delete

dead

gone

byebye

[midnight mist]

You know