assassination

[golden loom]

oh sick, I only ever noticed the movespeed

[dawn seal]

Why does sin don't dance anymore

:(

Why did we quit dancing

[earnest remnant]

cuz its sub only

like it was meant to be

worst decision ever to make that shit class wide

[dawn seal]

We're not dancers

Sadge

What if secret tech was a rogue ability

With different effecrs

[quiet oar]

Pls no

[dawn seal]

On each

Spec*

[quiet oar]

Outlaw has that

its called killing spree

[golden loom]

sin needs another burst damage ability ur right

[dawn seal]

Really

[quiet oar]

[runic hinge]

What if we delete outlaw

[quiet oar]

What if we delte TONY !?!?!?

[dawn seal]

Sin rogue needs like perma death mark

And kings bane

[earnest remnant]

blizz should t ry that

[quiet oar]

[runic hinge]

Stu loses his chew toy

[peak lake]

imagine you forgot to swap splatter on silken

[quiet oar]

[peak lake]

2 weeks in a row

[golden loom]

I know what we can replace it with...

[peak lake]

and u kill with internal bleeding...

[dawn seal]

Combat rogue??

[earnest remnant]

only people that main outlaw, are clinically insane people

[quiet oar]

Oh yeah Combat

50% melee dmg

Great fucking spec

[runic hinge]

[worldly sail]

i think you can replace outlaw with rogue

[dawn seal]

What if death mark also granted %100 crit damage

Is thst broken

[quiet oar]

Dude Assa was OP in the first 3 weeks in Amidrassil

[dawn seal]

[quiet oar]

and was nerfed into mediocre tier

[runic hinge]

No that was just pi is what I said to gaslight my friends

[quiet oar]

and Aug

[dawn seal]

Is it troll if I I play killing spree in raid

[quiet oar]

dont forget the augs

yes

it is

[runic hinge]

Yeah Aug hooks

[subtle tundra]

assa was only mediocre cause it got PI, it was bad without

[quiet oar]

Playing killing spree in generalk

[dawn seal]

But it's such a cool ability

[quiet oar]

No

[earnest remnant]

[subtle tundra]

why chinese though

[quiet oar]

Yeah WOD was better

but im playign Cata rn

its 50% melee dmg

[dawn seal]

Are u an outlaw ayer

Player

[quiet oar]

25% sinister strike

and 25% evis

[quiet oar]

I am

[golden loom]

im playing classic where its 80% melee @quiet oar

[dawn seal]

Do u use a finisher above 5

🤔

[quiet oar]

Yes outside of vanish window

only in Vanish windows 5+ for bte

but its also covered in the #outlaw-faq

[dawn seal]

I go looks

Thanks

[earnest remnant]

outlaw=cringe

[dawn seal]

Rolling Is so complicated

[keen spruce]

[dawn seal]

Can I use a cool weak aura to tell me when to roll

[keen spruce]

yeah

i think most people do now

[dawn seal]

I had it from df

[quiet oar]

There is

[keen spruce]

i still use the same one from DF

that honks at you

[dawn seal]

It tells me awesome roll if its awsome

[quiet oar]

I thought you are retiredshmeeps

[dawn seal]

Is it the one with markers shmeeps

[keen spruce]

yeah that one

[dawn seal]

Ooo

I stole it from venruki

It's so fun

[keen spruce]

i was

[quiet oar]

Notretiredshmeeps

[dawn seal]

So is it upto date

Like checks conditions

🤔

[quiet oar]

Are you a pilot now

[keen spruce]

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

nerd

[keen spruce]

piloting was slow

during winter

and my airport is cloing for 6 weeks for runways maintenance

and my instructor is taking a couple of months off cuz of new born

so i'm just fkin

sittin around holdin my nuts

[subtle tundra]

he is fkin

[quiet oar]

was

[keen spruce]

gotta find new instructor and a place to fly

[subtle tundra]

sorry i cant do that

[quiet oar]

You are a duck

The world is your Flyspace

[runic hinge]

Casual btw

[keen spruce]

casually ruinin my life

[bronze pike]

[indigo comet]

what do u think guys should i craft something else?
offhand and wrist are emblish

[golden loom]

maybe if crafted ammy/ring would sim higher than what you have

[midnight mist]

A neck cause that neck is trash on god

[keen spruce]

neck pretty gud on longer ST

[quiet oar]

??

Neck is good

Zac just jealous he doesnt have it

frfr

[midnight mist]

Ye I do enjoy my 90k haste

When you could just craft a pretty neck with Crit mastery on it

Holy

[spice surge]

I mean its a neck with like an extra 1½ socket

[midnight mist]

What

[spice surge]

The proc

[dawn seal]

Anything that is not tier or mythic just do ir

[midnight mist]

hm sure

[dawn seal]

Sim the craft options

That's what I did

[midnight mist]

will be neck anyway

[dawn seal]

I would agree

[midnight mist]

i simmed it in my head

[royal lantern]

what head

[dawn seal]

I checked the results of zacs sim in his head

I agree neck sims bad

[spice surge]

I didnt realize it was only hc, but either way

Neck is good

[midnight mist]

neck is bad

[quiet oar]

Its sin channel zac

Not outlaw

[midnight mist]

ye so

[raw gull]

This would be better¿? i did as suggested and tried to apply the advices given^^

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YBx9kbfwFp6hymAQ?fight=20&source=23&type=damage-done&view=timeline

[clever sapphire]

Im on phone so i only looked at your opener, but you pressed dm shiv and then you did mut-mut-envenom-kb and you never even pressed second shiv

You should do dm-shiv-kb

What you did means that the last ticks of kb are outside of dm/skardyns

Your kb also didnt really have any shiv coverage

You also didnt vanish unless im missing it, so thats another part of dps loss

2nd kb went into nothingness because boss flew away but your shiv usage there also looked off

[golden loom]

as mentioned, kingsbane should be the next cast after shiv

[royal lantern]

outlaw brains when stats exist that are not vers and crit:

[dawn seal]

Check the opener on wow head

Would help u

Try to make it muscle memory

It's basically putting down maintenence and playing a mini game of stalkers mark and using ur burst cds

[quiet oar]

I mean haste isnt good for M+ i think

for Sin

but kind of true

[dawn seal]

I heard haste is good for aoe

Doesn't matter tho don't u just sim it

[golden loom]

its shit in aoe

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

who fucked your brain up

[dawn seal]

I have a first 4 clear tonite

I need to out roll 2 other rogues

[royal lantern]

until we fully reached the "boss dmg is the only thing that matters" part of the m+ circle?

[quiet oar]

Its a never ending cycle

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[quiet oar]

M+ Cycle AOE Is most Important -> Bosses take forever -> Need ST DMG -> Prio DMG -> Less AOE -> You are slow in Big pulls -> AOE is most important - > Repeat

[royal lantern]

you missed "priority dmg" somewhere in the middle

[quiet oar]

Fixed it

[dawn seal]

I need to find a kyveza group for tonite or tomorrow

I am cryinf

[quiet oar]

dont you

prog queen

[dawn seal]

I have 2 chars

[quiet oar]

oh

[dawn seal]

3

I raid as much as possible

[subtle tundra]

well theres a thing people dont mention when talking about this. opportunity cost

[midnight mist]

Ok but if boss damage was really more important we would be playing outlaw

Outlaw does like 500 k more st kekw

[subtle tundra]

how much aoe are you losing when you get x% st

yea if i lose 3% st to gain 10% aoe ofc fuck st

[quiet oar]

Woah

are you my parents

[subtle tundra]

ill touch you

[quiet oar]

that turn a meme/joke into life lesson

[quiet oar]

Do you wanna talk about it

[royal lantern]

meow

[subtle tundra]

i said i wanted to be a nicer person in 2025

[quiet oar]

[subtle tundra]

idk if im getting there or not

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-gif-11163798864566121593

[subtle tundra]

2026 it is

[royal lantern]

its a joke, cus you see that argument spinning around quiet often

when its often just vibes based for them lol

[quiet oar]

Its important for my 10s

thats why i always invite augs

So i can tell my premades to cancelaura all aug buffs

to bully the aug

because

#fuckaug

[bronze pike]

We need shammy for our 10

Yep

Mhm

[subtle tundra]

lol that would be funny

play 4 premade get an aug, all of you get cancel aura macros

and flame his dps

[royal lantern]

based

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

You arent a pally tank?

you aint tanking my key

[bronze pike]

Your not 4K io?

Your not invited to my 7

[supple spindle]

wow

are we playing outlaw or what? why there's so many gamble addicts in my christian channel?

[quiet oar]

For a Christian Channel

there is too much horny and furry posting

[normal mist]

That's not a bad thing

We're just expanding our horizons

Some more than others

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[clever sapphire]

you are just jealous of what we have here

[quiet oar]

Nono you dont get me

im just saying

for a christian channel there is too much

but im not against it

im participating in it

[royal lantern]

wait, am i missing the 2nd thing

[quiet oar]

*feet

Xalatoes posting

[bitter forge]

Hi all, I need help,
I'm progressing Silken Court Mythic Assa Rogue, and I'm struggling with a problem that occurs in P3 where the 8 sec aoe dmg "Unleashed Swarm" is cast.
Exactly at that time I can't use Ambush/Mutilate as my main combo build.
So what could be blocking it?

I pay attention to the target and the hit cap, it's annoying especially when there's dmg amp after dispels in P3

[toxic zenith]

i have a full mastery haste rogue will this work for sin or do i want some crt

[clever sapphire]

so mutilate and ambush arent working?

[quiet oar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[clever sapphire]

i mean it wouldnt be bad, seeing as crit/mastery is the "most important" stat

[toxic zenith]

dose hast make dots tic faster i heard for feral it dose

[bitter forge]

exactly, i can not even use it Muti and Ambush

[subtle tundra]

yes it does. your stats dont really matter youre welcome you can play the spec just fine

[clever sapphire]

aight this might sound weird, did A - your weapons break or B - you werent in range?

[toxic zenith]

ty ty

[clever sapphire]

i mean i wouldnt know why else you couldnt use mut/ambush

maybe if boss perma dodges/parries, but you can still use it, just not get any cp

[dawn seal]

I once had broken daggers on ovi prog

Just foked whole 2 pulls

KEKW

[clever sapphire]

i once sent a full kb on kyveza, with 0 poisons applied because they ran out

[dawn seal]

True chad

[royal lantern]

last pull of the day->poisons run out midfight

[clever sapphire]

for me it was usually after break

so now i just reapply every 3-4 pulls

[quiet oar]

Just reapply in the try

[clever sapphire]

did that also on court already

im playing webs

and applied 2 poisons mid 2nd charge

[quiet oar]

Because the less you apply between pulls

[clever sapphire]

[quiet oar]

the more you can shitpost

so its a numbers game

what is more valuable

Shitposting

or applying it in try

[clever sapphire]

shitposting has no end, just like court

[wanton vine]

is assa's tier set on the ptr still buggy?

[subtle tundra]

haha yes!

idk actually im just lying

[quiet oar]

I mean

If its a rogue thing

its a 50% chance its bugged

[clever sapphire]

our tset is just like fatebound

[dawn seal]

Whispyr uses basic blizzard ui

[clever sapphire]

we have no clue about it and there is a 50-50 chance it works

[dawn seal]

Right

I forgot

I am having mental fps issues

I am about to do a fresh instwll

Does anyone have tips

[clever sapphire]

but seeing as there were 0 notes about rogue or any update in the pin, i would say its buggy

[clever sapphire]

git gud

[dawn seal]

I have like 5600xt 4060

And getting 20 30 fps

On raid

[clever sapphire]

my raid settings are on the lowest

i have a 2070

[dawn seal]

Same

[clever sapphire]

and am happy with 30 fps

[dawn seal]

Should I get 30 tho

[clever sapphire]

i mean with your setup, probably not

do you have a billion WA-addons?

[dawn seal]

I have elvui and mad amount of was

[clever sapphire]

found your issue

there ya go

[dawn seal]

I don't know where to start

What to remove

[manic quartz]

elvui :

:3

[clever sapphire]

everything

base ui ftw

[dawn seal]

Is it really that bad

Performance wise

[clever sapphire]

i use base ui, class wa and raid wa

[dawn seal]

The elvui

[clever sapphire]

thats all

[quiet oar]

Graphicscard

is whatever for WoW

[dawn seal]

Yeah I know

But I didn't wanna just say ryzen tryzen 5 5600xt

[quiet oar]

x3d Ryzen processor are cheatcode

[dawn seal]

Do I rawally need to up my cpu

For this

Or deleting addons should work

🤔

[normal mist]

I also need to upgrade my PC

[manic quartz]

i got r7 5800x and loads of WA's and addons, i get decent fps in raid

[normal mist]

I need it to be able to run Wilds

[quiet oar]

Just delete elvui

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wiggler-dance-gif-11491605

[quiet oar]

and do leightweight stuff

and you are goodge

[clever sapphire]

relatable, but im already spending so much money on snowboarding and bouldering, a pc upgrade is gonna be even more

[dawn seal]

I can buy this tomorrow

[normal mist]

I feel you, aaaaah

[quiet oar]

Nice try

[clever sapphire]

imma just stick to my pc till it crashes

[dawn seal]

I am gonna try clean install and see what happens

[clever sapphire]

and i have to buy a new one

[manic quartz]

dont, get better 😛

[clever sapphire]

when was the last time you cleaned your pc

[dawn seal]

I clean it every month

But the game was always like this

For m3

For raids

It's not an old desktop

[quiet oar]

Everyone knows wow Player dont Do sports murlock

[clever sapphire]

i cleaned it once, in 6 years, i aint the smartest

[quiet oar]

But nice try

[dawn seal]

Would u suggest doing a fresh install or what u seem knowledgeable on thr subject help

😭

[clever sapphire]

i wanted to say i am a casual, but im in a guild thats progging court

so dont think thats gonna work

[quiet oar]

I think that works

[clever sapphire]

also i need sports to release the stress from wow

[quiet oar]

You wr 1500 or smth

I think thats more casual

[clever sapphire]

where do i check wr

[quiet oar]

Raider. Io

Well i think even higher

[normal mist]

Or at tira's place

[quiet oar]

Because 1600 guilds have court down

[clever sapphire]

the guild is wr 1750, region (so eu) 996

[quiet oar]

Yeah thats more casual

[clever sapphire]

easy

so i can do sports

gotcha

[quiet oar]

I mean to be a true casual

You would need to raid heroic only

So you are kinda half allowed to Do sports

[clever sapphire]

i didnt raid at all for 2 months, but a buddy was annoying me that they need a rogue

so i joined at broodtwister, killed it in 20 pulls

and now im here

anyways, any1 know if feral is lookin good for next season

[quiet oar]

No

I dont know

[clever sapphire]

i need feral to be good

so im motivated to play an alt

and not get bored after a month or 2

[normal mist]

Being bored is a good thing

You get to play other games

And realize wow is average

[subtle tundra]

nah

[clever sapphire]

you know the issue is that im still subbed to wow because of raid

so i want to do other than raidlog

[subtle tundra]

average compared to?

[clever sapphire]

if im paying

[normal mist]

MONSTER HUNTER BABYYYYYY

[subtle tundra]

no you dont

[subtle tundra]

different genres

dont care!

[normal mist]

I know

But there's where I'm spending all my time :3

[subtle tundra]

also my pc is not good enough for monster hunter

so im not a monster hunter gamer

unluigi

[normal mist]

The one that is about to come out?

Or world/iceborne

[subtle tundra]

both

i tried world and i dont want to play with less than 60fps

[normal mist]

My PC is from 2013 and can handle it, you sure yours can't?

Oh the fps thing

That's a game problem iirc

[subtle tundra]

if i cant handle world no way ill be able to handle the next one

[normal mist]

1660 pro handles it well, and my 4k something CPU is holding up

[radiant raven]

Worlds was heavily CPU-bound so I imagine Wilds is gonna be the same. Powerful computer brain can handle big monsters.

[normal mist]

They said that they will try to reduce CPU requirements

I'm hopeful

[clever sapphire]

no, you are royal

[radiant raven]

Ye. I'm on a 2070 so I'm a bit worried.

[clever sapphire]

you dont need to be someone else

[radiant raven]

but if it comes to it, I'm just gonna run the game at 1600x900 in a window.

[subtle tundra]

well im on 1060

😎

[spice surge]

And we'll never be royals

[normal mist]

I was too, but my sister's boyfriend is a homie and gifted me his 1660 when he got his 4000 something

[quiet oar]

You can do lower resolution but if it lets you make a different scaling

so you get the "movie" black bars

[radiant raven]

Ye

[normal mist]

rooooyaaaal

[quiet oar]

I did this on Horizon i think

[clever sapphire]

i wanna be your sisters boyfriends best friend, maybe he gifts me his 4000 something when he gets the 5000 something

[quiet oar]

Game looks cooler

with those black bars

and its less demanding

[normal mist]

The guy is a straight up G homie

[radiant raven]

Like, FF7 Rebirth is pretty demanding for my machine. I can only run it low-med on 1080p 1920x1080. But if I drop it to 1600x900, I can run it on med-high with Quality DLSS haha

And it looks fine at that resolution too

Makes it easier to multitask while gaming, too

[normal mist]

My GM has been streaming on discord his playthrough

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

[normal mist]

I love it because he really knows his shit

And he just stops so he can explain me what the fuck is going on

[radiant raven]

Haha, that rules.

[normal mist]

I love the whole Zack / cloud thing

[radiant raven]

I'm a huge OG FF7 nerd boy so I'm loving it, but there's some stuff I find a little frustrating.

[normal mist]

Cloud thinking he's a hero

Is so cool

[dawn heath]

people play cheat death in raid?

[subtle tundra]

i just cant justify buying a new graphics card when i look at their prices

[dawn heath]

thats crazy

[radiant raven]

Cloud is really well written and I love the VA. He is really stellar with some of his line delivery

[radiant raven]

big same

[royal lantern]

they made Cait Sith an actual character

its impressive

[radiant raven]

I've not gotten to him yet but did they give him an accent: this is very important

[subtle tundra]

if the prices shown by nvidia were real, yea, but nope that 500 euro graphics card is 1k

[radiant raven]

Yeah it sucks 😦

[normal mist]

The thing I loved the most in the whole Cloud telling the story but it was actually Zack and not him because he was a simple foot soldier and sephirot learning the truth was chef kiss

[clever sapphire]

i wont die unless i make a mistake

so no need for elus

[normal mist]

Two*

[clever sapphire]

only ever used it on kyveza

[dawn heath]

crazy how undertuned raids are u can get away with not playing elusiveness

[quiet oar]

Well

[subtle tundra]

what

thats how raids have always been

[clever sapphire]

i mean, if a rogue got oneshot without elus, it would be impossible pretty much

[quiet oar]

It has nothing to do with udnertuned

[dawn heath]

like in keys i feint like 30-80 times in a duengon

[quiet oar]

Yeha

[clever sapphire]

well i aint living betrayal even with cheat death

[quiet oar]

but a dungeon

[dawn heath]

or im just dead

[subtle tundra]

yeah keys are an exception

[quiet oar]

is 4x the time

[radiant raven]

It was wild back in the day

[subtle tundra]

before DF you didnt play elusiveness

ever

it was cheat death

[spice surge]

When you dont get oneshot without elusiveness its almost always better to play cheat

[subtle tundra]

yeah sure you could play it, but it was never needed to survive

[dawn heath]

i started playing rogue this season never played it b efore

[normal mist]

It really sparks my interest but never to a point where I want to play it. I just want to know the lore man

[dawn heath]

but its crazy to me that u can play cheat

as much as i want to play it

rogue is so squishy without feint

[subtle tundra]

thats a recent thing

[spice surge]

You can still feint

[royal lantern]

m+ brains cant understand content that has atleast SOME concept of tuning behind itself

[quiet oar]

Also you have Evasion with Deathstalker

that is a DR

[subtle tundra]

rogue used to be called unkillable in raid, playing cheat death

[spice surge]

Most of the time elusiveness is only the evasion dr

[clever sapphire]

sub/outlaw is more tanky afaik

[subtle tundra]

that was rogue's utility. unkillable

no atrophic

[radiant raven]

I still feel pretty unkillable in raids..

[subtle tundra]

damage and not dying

yeah but its not something only rogue feels

[royal lantern]

cus rogue kinda is on most fights

[spice surge]

And also its only assa thats squishy, the other rogue specs are significantly tankier

[manic quartz]

Look your addons and weakauras, get rid of the ones you dont actually need or the ones that arent important, watch example quazii's guide for graphics settings, clean install of wow doesnt really help if you just add all the crap back to it.

[subtle tundra]

every spec is ridden with defensives and passive shields and passive drs and shit

while assa fell behind

[radiant raven]

They should give Assa a posion shield

[dawn heath]

well even now i dont feel like i struggle surviving keysd if u take elusiveness u only die if u forget to feint or don't anticipate the damage in coming

the only boss i feel is hard to survive is last boss in COT

[clever sapphire]

i mean thats the point of elus

[subtle tundra]

yeah thats cause you feint everything

[spice surge]

You can still press feint without elusiveness

[subtle tundra]

in a situation where you dont use anything and other classes dont use anything, youre so squishy

[dawn heath]

ye but its kinda weak

[spice surge]

Its not

[subtle tundra]

???
40% dr?

[spice surge]

Elusiveness doesnt make feint better

If it already works

[manic quartz]

my two biggest pet peeves are rouge and posions

[spice surge]

Its not 40+20, its 40 or 20

[subtle tundra]

dont tell him about rogue feinting in legion

how op it was

[spice surge]

And the vast majority of mechanics its already 40% on

Even in keys

[dawn heath]

hm

[subtle tundra]

they changed the way they design fights cause of feint

[royal lantern]

feint literally changed their raid desing after tomb

[dawn heath]

i mean i know how broken feint is it still is

[subtle tundra]

and we mean without elusiveness

[dawn heath]

but they've tuned down our baseline to like the most squishy in the game to compensate

[subtle tundra]

they didnt tune down shit

we just didnt get things

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure everyone else just got a lot of things

[spice surge]

All other specs besides assa got tons of passive DR

Like sub doesnt have to feint first boss grimba or third boss siege on 17

[quiet oar]

Why doesnt have rogue a poison dispell

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[quiet oar]

when it is the class using poison

!=

!?

[clever sapphire]

time to reroll sub for s2

[spice surge]

Or well, assuming notevenclose is correct i would live with like 4%, so obviously i still would feint

[radiant raven]

huh.

[spice surge]

But in theory its doable

[dawn heath]

it really feeels bad to press feint on ST cause you are starving so much but its just way too strong

[royal lantern]

its simply

m+ is static scaling on dmg

so the stuff that targets you for 20%hp dmg does 100%hp dmg after some time

so you need flat dr against targeted stuff

elusivness is flat dr against targeted stuff

most actual group dmg mechanics allready work on feint baseline

[radiant raven]

why doesn't it. I never even thought about it

[dawn heath]

every now and then i would cast like evasion to save myself like 25 energy but its kinda grief

[subtle tundra]

get a small shield from priest

any shield

[clever sapphire]

i mean either you starve, or you die and go 0 energy and 0 hp

[spice surge]

Ye but sub also doesnt care about the energy

[quiet oar]

Ye exactly

Why doesnt it

It would make so much sense

[radiant raven]

Antivenom.

[quiet oar]

Antidote

[radiant raven]

Shiv them with an antivenom

[dawn heath]

first boss in SV first boss GB those bosses are horrendous to play

/slitwrist

[subtle tundra]

yeah imagine evasioning on 3rd boss siege and still dying cause its not 40% dr, its 36%

cause that boss is funny

most fair mechanic

[dawn heath]

ye evasion might not be enough

i did it on 18

but i didnt dare to press evasion only

i know i did it on 17 and almost died

[subtle tundra]

good thing im not going in siege again

[dawn heath]

we havent timed it yet on 18 but i think we should have enough time to do so

this was our 17

should be enough for 18 i guess

[subtle tundra]

i kinda hate this key scaling

[dawn heath]

ye

key scaling is way too steep

one key level is insanely big

[subtle tundra]

18 is decent difficulty -> 19 impossible

we're not even considering going 19

not even trying

[dawn heath]

it was way better

[subtle tundra]

we dont care

[dawn heath]

in DF

when keys went to 33-34

w/e

u could beat a key by like 1:45 and that was enough to g o one key level higher

now u need 3minutes atleast

[clever sapphire]

doing a 25 sounds cooler than doing a 15

change my mind

[subtle tundra]

or mists where erm. you get first boss walled

[dawn heath]

wdym

bad rng not 2phasing?

[subtle tundra]

18 is very easy not rng dependant. 19 requires extremely good play and good rng

then 20 boss is unkillable

[dawn heath]

just get 10 lightning dogs 4head

[subtle tundra]

i cant

cause i dont play enha

🙂

[dawn heath]

tbh ele is just as broken

[subtle tundra]

well yeah i know

thats why we play it

[clever sapphire]

is ele also as broken in ST?

in keys

not raid

[subtle tundra]

not nearly

[dawn heath]

slightly worse

but it does probably more overall damage

than enhance does

[subtle tundra]

still does a couple hundred thousand more ST

than me

[clever sapphire]

because i would assume bosses are the big annoyance the higher you go

[subtle tundra]

its also harder to play

[dawn heath]

beating rogue ST is not a big feat

[subtle tundra]

its a very hard spec

[dawn heath]

assa is competing with aug on st

if its pure ST no adds involved

[subtle tundra]

and its a spymaster spec so deaths are way more punishing

even if it has ank

[dawn heath]

ye i mean playing a non Battle ress dps is also punishing

1 tank death = key gone

[subtle tundra]

no?

i evasion tank/shaman uses earth golem

and we CR with item

we've saved a lot of pulls like this

[dawn heath]

yeah i mean sometimes u can clutch it like that but it doesnt really reliably work

i mean we have too but its wildly inconsistant

[subtle tundra]

it has like 90% success rate

for us

idk

[dawn heath]

it might be easier for you cause u play with elemental

if tank dies enhance dies 0.1s after

[subtle tundra]

yeah i guess so

im used to evasion tanking

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jA1cpccwP4AH87rqz?invite=cr-MSwzazcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA xd

[subtle tundra]

i react insta

[dawn heath]

well i mean

check this clip

i do that too

[subtle tundra]

well you had time 😉

[dawn heath]

wdym

i used evasion

shaman dies

mobs kill me whijle ressing

[subtle tundra]

why are you ressing

what

thats why you died

you cant evasion tank and res

you just evasion tank and the aug resses

pull is saved

[dawn heath]

i've always been the resser

but the thing is

normally

[subtle tundra]

yoou have ank

pull was 100% saveable

you just misplayed

[dawn heath]

normally

the aug has never used a ress a single time when we played

[subtle tundra]

tell him to buy

and save your keys

what

[dawn heath]

normally

the shaman drops earth ele and i ress

and cap totem

[subtle tundra]

everyone in the group should have the item

[dawn heath]

if he lives

2 globals

[subtle tundra]

if you dont youre just fucking trolling

how can you not have cr

when its a fucking item

youre doing 18s

youre kidding me

repair cost in 2 keys is more than 1 cr

[dawn heath]

they just dont think they should ress

they said they cant ress

[subtle tundra]

then fucking flame

them

[dawn heath]

priest and aug

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt play with morons

like that

he is a support spec

A SUPPORT

that refuses to CR?

in FUCKING 18s?

IN TOP CONTENT?

[royal lantern]

ill Support your mental health decline

[subtle tundra]

youre enraging me

[lethal heart]

[dawn heath]

i mean i think he has them but he says he can never ress in these situations

[subtle tundra]

he can

[dawn heath]

it needs to be us

[subtle tundra]

he has

0

AGGRO

NONE

he is the only one

that can res

[quiet oar]

Varas Plans to be nicer would ahve failed right here

if he hadnt failed before

[subtle tundra]

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jiasrjrKVtz0TvNNO?invite=cr-MSxhdHYsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[lethal heart]

he is nice

[dawn heath]

this is kinda old

i just realised i had rank 2 ress here LMAO

[quiet oar]

Do it like me

DOnt push

and you wont have Problems like that

[subtle tundra]

yeah i flamed my teammate at some point for having r2s

cause youre literally depleting the key for 1k gold

[lethal heart]

[dawn heath]

i have r3 now

i didnt know they were slower

at this time

i thought u ressed them with like less hp or something

[quiet oar]

ITS FUCKING PUSH WEEK

[dawn heath]

do u guys play this in your 18

we've been doing it a few times now it has never failed not even the first time

seems like free count

[lethal heart]

because it is free

[subtle tundra]

we didnt cause we didnt need the time

we should've

but we didnt't

[dawn heath]

ya doesnt feel any harder tho really

[subtle tundra]

its easy pull with bl and cds

dies insta

[dawn heath]

then u get to play the boss with bl and cds

[lethal heart]

doesnt rly die insta but you finish it off in intermission

so its w/e

[dawn heath]

you kill off the spotter in intermission

everything else dies

[subtle tundra]

it dies insta with ele + 40 spymaster

😉

[lethal heart]

true

[subtle tundra]

the pack dies in 30 seconds with ele cds only and no bl no my cds

[lethal heart]

even bigger ncentive to pull it with boss then

[dawn heath]

spotter may not stack

but its fine

it dies in intermission

u just put the canonneer on it

[subtle tundra]

pulling the mobs onto boss became popular after we did 17 and we didnt bother "learning" it for 18

when timer was free

[dawn heath]

its still not common

alot of groups dont do it

but i think its not hard to pull off personally

i still havent decided though i should be focusing the commander or boss on pull

[lethal heart]

boss

[dawn heath]

if i don't sit the horse it will sitll be alive during intermission but kinda low

but guess thats fine

[lethal heart]

you have infinite cds for 1st and the only bad overlap and you proc boss so fast

• disc has infinite healing because of spotter

[subtle tundra]

i think next season i push only if ww is meta

i dont want this ass again

[lethal heart]

i regret playing rogue for title this tier

wish i had dk geared faster

rogue is peak garbage

[subtle tundra]

yes

[lethal heart]

worst iteration ive ever witnessed

[subtle tundra]

also every time i discuss keys with my team its either if we had druid, or if we had dk...

[dawn heath]

i never played any other iteration

i swapped off havoc cause t hat shits unplayable

[lethal heart]

and do no st becuase you are actually a balanced spec

unlike dk or enha

which just cleave off for free while being in st specs

[subtle tundra]

well

imagine if we were balanced in raid

we'd do tank ST in m+

[dawn heath]

i think our damage profile is pretty good. it just sucks to suck on single target

[lethal heart]

hero talent is uninspired

not a big fan but it is what it is

[dawn heath]

i dont mind it

u should see havocs aldrachi tree if u wanna talk about junk 💀

thats shits foul

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

idk

i swear to god

if my mark dissapears again

ill rub one out midkey

[lethal heart]

[gusty mirage]

wait you're not doing that anyway?

[subtle tundra]

fair

in st i have enough time

[gusty mirage]

3.26 waiting room boys

[dawn heath]

ye this is annoying for sure

also bosses like

[lethal heart]

so we have like 6 months more

[gusty mirage]

yeah I can't wait

[subtle tundra]

dont upset me more

why cant they just release SOMETHING

[dawn heath]

first boss mist, second boss siege grim batol third boss

[gusty mirage]

solid 1 year leagues

[subtle tundra]

like put 2 people

[dawn heath]

these bosses are turbo cringe

[subtle tundra]

to put together

[dawn heath]

necrotic wake third boss

with mark

[subtle tundra]

a league with random ass shit

[dawn heath]

jesus fuck

[nova aspen]

i might level a feral

seems like the better bleed class

xd

[subtle tundra]

like wow did with fated season

that was a success

1 person working on it or whatever

[gusty mirage]

was it though

[subtle tundra]

by all metrics, yes

[gusty mirage]

it was a success in that one isolated instance

because shadowlands was fucking dogshit

[subtle tundra]

well ofc repeating it got stale

[dawn heath]

timer is not free for us my enhance barely beats me on overall

[gusty mirage]

then in typical blizzardo fashion

[dawn heath]

very low damage

[gusty mirage]

"retention numbers were great! LETS DO IT EVERY EXPAC"

[subtle tundra]

yea but the first time was good. surely ggg can do SOMETHING

anything

[lethal heart]

granted we only play for like 3 weeks we timed 17 siege with idk 2 minutes left

and we did that pull

but im doing safety gaming myself

[subtle tundra]

surely 1 guy taken away wont ruin poe2 developement

[lethal heart]

its already ruined

so thats correct

[dawn heath]

i mean

this kind of thing should never happend

beatign the pi'd enhance

[lethal heart]

it shouldnt

[clever sapphire]

i would swap out the enha

even i know that enha should just blast you away

[clever sapphire]

i meann key logs are a meme, but his key% is just fun to look at

[dawn heath]

i wouldnt say its that memey tbh

but ye u can see

a pattern

[subtle tundra]

well it is

more so this season

cause you compare to china logs

and oh boy china logs

[lethal heart]

dont get me started on that topic

im gonna get myself

[dawn heath]

they're just so skilled

jealous haters

na but in a average key he beats me by like 5-10% overall

im kinda thinking the gap should be 20% atleast

[subtle tundra]

not really

20% is too much

[dawn heath]

depends on key

15-20% seeems reaonsable

[subtle tundra]

for me it kinda sucks cause ele does more aoe than enha and more burst aoe, so we're 2 giga aoe specs

if i was dk it would've been a better comp

less aoe more st

[lethal heart]

dk has good st + you can mega highroll on st too

which is nice

[subtle tundra]

or if i was boomy

to erm

to not be rogue

[clever sapphire]

go boom

[subtle tundra]

cause my team keeps complaining

[gusty mirage]

??????

[lethal heart]

i mean are you rly going for r1

then ye dont be rogue

[clever sapphire]

why are you not complaining that the ele isnt enha

[lethal heart]

but also that

[dawn heath]

u dont need to play full meta spec on like 1-2 key levels under world first

[lethal heart]

3rd dps slot is flex

[subtle tundra]

its more like "oh this pull would been easy if we had boomy"

[lethal heart]

kinda

if you want 'r1' the 3rd dps guy needs to be fucked in the ass

[subtle tundra]

or boomy makes NW pisseasy

[lethal heart]

because you should play rogue/boomkin/dk

in diff dungeons

[dawn heath]

honestly u dont need boomy for managing the add in nw

[subtle tundra]

you dont ofc

[lethal heart]

you dont need

[subtle tundra]

but it makes it 20 times easier

[lethal heart]

++

easy = consistency

[dawn heath]

like u can just rotate void tendrils root totem

[lethal heart]

and consistency in this season is rough as it is already

[subtle tundra]

you can

we do that

but what if they didnt

and we had permanent root

[lethal heart]

but then you have random piss dot on him

and it breaks

[dawn heath]

why would u have a dot on it

[subtle tundra]

cause its wow mate

[lethal heart]

coz random shit happens all the time

[subtle tundra]

cause he got in melee and i was in carnage

and i pressed rupture

[lethal heart]

why would you die to this thing on the ground that is so visible

are you BAD?

[subtle tundra]

cause shaman ascendance procc'd

[lethal heart]

no mistakes just happen ofc

big respect

[subtle tundra]

and he got broken out

we had paladin toll break him

paladin dot break him

[lethal heart]

do you spec sub for last 2 in NW?

[subtle tundra]

no

i do for last but not always

[lethal heart]

is it better?

i havent played sub like almost at all

[subtle tundra]

idk

[lethal heart]

[subtle tundra]

dont think it really matters

youre playing cleaver

[lethal heart]

i just shut up on that boss

let my evoker/priest talk

if we lose

their fault

best i can do is knock with belt

[subtle tundra]

make sure to be in combat with cleaver

so you can get targeted

[dawn heath]

ye all that matters is that u land the cleaver

[lethal heart]

think its not possible to not be in combat with him right

all it takes is priest pressing a global on you

or passively helaing you

[subtle tundra]

im not completely sure

[lethal heart]

or evoker pressing sth on you

[subtle tundra]

but in packs

[lethal heart]

because these 2 are always gonna be in combat with it

[subtle tundra]

im not in combat with him

idk about bosses

but 90% of the time i dont get targeted by cleaver on last boss

which is bad cause i should

[spice surge]

Sub genuinely does like 70% more damage than assa or something on that last boss. Obviously its playable without since cleaver

[subtle tundra]

not when i played sub

[spice surge]

Fair enough

[dawn heath]

we had a 18 necrotic wake run 5minutes left boss is on 20%

[subtle tundra]

it wasnt that much of a difference

[dawn heath]

Tank walks into comet storm and dies

key over

[subtle tundra]

its good to go sub aswell cause it means you have cds on pull

from everyone

[spice surge]

Idk im usually at like 1.6-1.7M on the boss when it dies

[dawn heath]

i usually have cds on pull too

[lethal heart]

do you have pov of you playing that

or log

im complete idiot

[dawn heath]

cause the enhance wants to stack on the cleaver

so u get ur 2minutes back

[subtle tundra]

do you do it as ds or trickster

[spice surge]

I do not, think casual has

[spice surge]

Trick for sure

[lethal heart]

[subtle tundra]

erm

yeah i was ds

idk how much it matters

i think my gameplay was fine

ofc im no expert

but i wasnt pulling that high numbers

[dawn heath]

i usually let the cleaver carry me

1mil st on assa on last boss

[lusty kraken]

sub single target damage is really good compared to assa

[lethal heart]

i mean looking at any damage in NW is just pointless

[dawn heath]

u know what pumps?

[lusty kraken]

just make sure to remove the tricks buff on the last boss

[dawn heath]

3mil dps from the cleaver

[lethal heart]

you only need to do damage on pull 1

[dawn heath]

thats 2 extra enhance shamans

[spice surge]

Most dogshit dungeon of all time

[dawn heath]

agreed

[lethal heart]

agree ofc

[dawn heath]

required a stupid amount of cordination

[lethal heart]

but just saying overall in a dungeon like that

is just wrong

tis like old siege of boralus from bfa

when you did spotter meme

was also ye just execute and you win

[lusty kraken]

I would not hate it so much if it was not for the spears and the cleaver shenanigans

[dawn heath]

havent u guys seen the other exploit btw?

[lethal heart]

i think i had 20 deaths necrotic +16 and we timed because we clowned everything possible but claevers hit

[dawn heath]

in NW

[subtle tundra]

i dont do exploits

sorry!

[dawn heath]

there is a mob that does twice the dps of the cleaver

or 3x

[subtle tundra]

go on

[spice surge]

Ye but this time you have almost no impact on it if youre not the priest/aug. And also the rest of the dungeons mechanics are fiddly and not fun

[dawn heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317198187613786185/1331742511781384212/image.png?ex=679c9c9d&is=679b4b1d&hm=f721561477daac1e2cc1246119b011eac1be908aff8ae9c80aa8d04592242397&

check this mob here

[lethal heart]

oh so that is the reason

i see

i was wondering wtf they did

when i chcked leaderboard

[dawn heath]

they killed bosses in 40seconds

with 2 tanks

on +18

you need a brewmaster to throw exploding keg then take the mob somehow it bugs the mobs to do a billion dps

they needed a brew but he couldnt tank the key so they just sent 2 tanks

xD

[spice surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4doMSA04Tok
Its a bit old but roughly something like this, hes at 1.6 or so when boss dies

[subtle tundra]

good thing i have a monk

[dawn heath]

but u also need dks

[subtle tundra]

aw shucks

[dawn heath]

this vanguard claps so hard its crazy