assassination

[gusty mirage]

GREAT BOSS

[nova aspen]

[gusty mirage]

I'll never forget doing a 25

[spice spire]

He jumps in the air

Then ruins your day

[gusty mirage]

and me and the hunter were 1s too early finishing the PvP

he did his jump

and we both got one shot midair flying back

lmfao

[spice spire]

Honestly

[gusty mirage]

killed me through cheat

10/10 boss

[spice spire]

The hook boss

Is my uh

Hated one

It’s not even bad

[gusty mirage]

hook boss was fine-ish

just annoying as fuck

with the little shitters

[spice spire]

Every tank sucked with movement

Ye

[gusty mirage]

yep

[spice spire]

Also Lich kills you

For like 0 reason

[royal lantern]

lets make it the other way around

what was GOOD in ToP

[gusty mirage]

dispel + puddle

good boss

[spice spire]

If you get targeted one too many times

[gusty mirage]

GREAT BOSS

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Everything

[gusty mirage]

hunter/warlock pets snapping up the skippable hallway onto last boss

fantastical

[nova aspen]

im worried about darkflame cleft mostly

the stupid mine cart escort

[spice surge]

New dungeon is allegedly good

[gusty mirage]

ngl

[golden loom]

heard so aswell

[gusty mirage]

we were worried about brackenhide

and it ended up being the easiest dungeon in all of DF

[spice surge]

Priory seems pretty good too ngl

[spice spire]

Second boss sucks in the first bit

[gusty mirage]

cause I remember brackenhide on mythic 0 week on expac launch

and it was SO dogshit

[spice spire]

Outside of that it’s decent

Couple of cool mechanics in the bosses too.
Pug nightmare type bit tho

[nova aspen]

im worried about the concecrate scaling

[spice surge]

Its a 2.5s cast now

Not instant

[nova aspen]

holy fuck

thank god

[royal lantern]

was funny that they instantly nuked 40% hp

[spice surge]

And theyve removed the ultra stacking mortal strikes on the first mobs

[royal lantern]

on a M0

[nova aspen]

yea priory should be a fun one then

poggies

i havent looked at floodgate yet

[radiant raven]

I'm hopeful that Prioy'll be the fun, quick weekly 10 dungeon. It looks like it should be a fun blast

[nova aspen]

yea that one could be dawn tier

or mist

u take the maze out of mist and it becomes dawn tier

[spice surge]

Last part is shit too

[dawn seal]

Do I use skardym

With mandat3

[spice surge]

Idk theres no part of mists i like, its only liked because its short

[royal lantern]

"if you remove 1/3 of the dungeon, its allright"

[radiant raven]

final boss of mists sucks so much

[royal lantern]

[radiant raven]

First boss: big fun. Final boss: big bum unfun

[nova aspen]

[royal lantern]

red green weakness here

🙂

🙂

[radiant raven]

Haha

[nova aspen]

i mean just reveal all doorways

[royal lantern]

i literally have to follow the tank cus i cant see shit

[nova aspen]

let ppl pick their own route thru the maze

[royal lantern]

very fun

[radiant raven]

Yeah I can imagine it's turbo bad at that point

[nova aspen]

and jsut let the 2nd boss have the mini game

[spice spire]

Same but I’m built diff

[radiant raven]

I just struggle with the chaoticness and the size of it and urgh too much STUFF

[spice spire]

Yeah wish it did the MC tbh

[spice surge]

Mist is like shadowmoon burial ground, actually a shitty dungeon but liked because its the shortest/easiest

[spice spire]

Do not like the suck

[elder torrent]

why are people shadowstepping so much in logs?

[radiant raven]

Yeah, the suck (lol) sucks.

[spice spire]

Maximize uptime while doing mechanics likely

[radiant raven]

I also find the poison puddles just really annoying to dodge and then it goes into it's intermission and I die.

[nova aspen]

sbg looked like it was redesigned and thrown into the pool in 15 minutes

[elder torrent]

It just seemed like an insane amount so I thought maybe there was some bs passive

It looks like every 6 seconds lol

[dawn seal]

Huh

[spice spire]

Two charges of step innit

[gusty mirage]

first boss is just so ass on higher keys

[dawn seal]

Doesn't it have so much cd

[gusty mirage]

like it lasts SO long

[spice surge]

Yes

[dawn seal]

30 sec

[elder torrent]

yeah but consuming deathmark shortens timer

[spice spire]

But we have burstbmowb

[radiant raven]

third boss at +20 SBG, lmao

The boss that is 5 minutes long with 20 seconds of content

[spice spire]

Lmao

[radiant raven]

final boss was fun at least

[nova aspen]

is there any reason to believe assa ST will improve for s2 dungeons?

no right?

[spice surge]

Not really no

Theoretically you could pick a more ST talent setup but idk

[nova aspen]

so enhance will still be a better rogue

[spice surge]

Enhance got a ton of changes

[nova aspen]

is there funnel profile still giga?

or we dunno

[spice surge]

Theyre funnel isnt that big right now

Its absolutely abysmal compared to assa funnel

[nova aspen]

ah ok thats good at least

still sucks that they just do 300k more dps

i do love how tanky rogue is though

[spice surge]

Assa is incredibly squishy compared to the other specs

But ye compared to most other specs its still decently tanky

[nova aspen]

but still tankier than most classes wouldnt u say?

yea

[spice surge]

Ye but the difference between the other specs is silly

[nova aspen]

is it just the vers stacking?

[spice surge]

No

The vers isnt even the majority of the difference

[nova aspen]

[spice surge]

Sub also has a 10% hp shield and a 10% dr thats up most of the time

[nova aspen]

thats juicy

[spice surge]

and/or takes 8% more healing

and then like 10% more dr from vers

[royal lantern]

vers is almost never the reason

its almost always just some giga cope lol

[nova aspen]

yea even as sin i still have a couple vers pcs also

[golden loom]

you would use skardyns in cooldowns and then a mandate use outside of cooldowns

[lethal heart]

@gusty mirage @spice surge

[spice surge]

[lethal heart]

i hate how bad assa st is in dungeons

[royal lantern]

play sub

[lethal heart]

even tho i could coz i finally got transmitter from my vault i think it would be counterproductive

relearning lots of stuff, causing some new issues on some pulls/bosses

and when at least i think about it assa st in dungeons being bad makes perfect sense and thats how blaance should be

[royal lantern]

kinda yeha

[lethal heart]

good cleave/aoe but you gut your st as a result

completely balanced tbh

[royal lantern]

problem is.more like, not all specs have drawbacks

[lethal heart]

but then you have enha

[royal lantern]

[lethal heart]

ye exactly

i love playing my dk in my weeklies

when i pop cooldowns i feel like im doing something

unlike on my rogue

my dk with pillar + mark can do more damage than my deathmark on rogue

[heady elbow]

Hey guys, Im new in wow and cant understand when Im spamming spells on rogue while fighting boss im out of energy soon, now watched videos where player is spamming spells and he is not running out with energy how ?

[spice surge]

Theres more targets

[plucky forge]

play bleed build in weekly 10s, you'll do like 2.5m DPS without trying

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[heady elbow]

and what is bis items ?

[nova aspen]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice surge]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[rancid summit]

How much mastery is too much? I'm around 50% now but my haste is around 10%. Should I try to shift some of those points over or does it matter much?

[spice spire]

There’s no set correlation in stats.
You just keep simming and do whatever is best

[golden loom]

crossed out the stats that dont matter

[radiant raven]

where's speed

the most important and only good stat

[nova aspen]

unless u play outlaw, then u get to play 10 years in the past with haste breakpoints

[golden loom]

I actually have speed on my dagger

not sure why it doesnt show up

[radiant raven]

Weird

[normal kindle]

2189 /365 => 6 years of playing wow WTF on 30 years out you played 6 years of your life

[radiant raven]

Six really good years, hell yeah

[scarlet barn]

Hopefully irl is thriving too

🦗

[radiant raven]

It's more like fourteen years, though.

[sharp viper]

where is Speed rating

you forgot the most important one

[gusty mirage]

@keen mist rating is pretty high this tier

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[subtle tundra]

👽Type joke

[gusty mirage]

hi varas

how's my little romanian twink doing today

[subtle tundra]

Hihihihihihi

Wooooork and now exam I hate public transportation 👽👽👽👽

[gusty mirage]

honestly I blame @spice spire

[subtle tundra]

Honestly

[spice spire]

?

[spice spire]

I s2g I’m gonna be your new bidet if you keep sassing me like this bitch

[subtle tundra]

🦟Mosquito

[final star]

shows on speed stat

[humble verge]

@subtle tundra do you have a tree for low keys?

tryna figure out if i just wanna try to farm my 17db at a 10 or keep doing 15/16s xd

[spice surge]

Bleedmaxxing3000

For them 20 million sudden demise procs

[humble verge]

juge

donger

[spice surge]

Obviously singletarget is atrocious without KB but it is what it is

[heady elbow]

!macros

[humble verge]

ill try in like an 8 then

idk

[heady elbow]

!shiv

!thistletea

[humble verge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

[wanton nest]

Should I be spamming more aoe bleeds or focusing on caustic after 5 ruptures?

[golden loom]

caustic blasting

[wanton nest]

Ty

[spice surge]

Ive got the biggest demises, you know, thats what they say people, they all say it. When they see it, they all say that. Theyre all jealous when the demises proc. Some of the biggest names, all jealous people.

[dapper cradle]

Pres 47 is a certified sin gamer

[spice spire]

[golden loom]

that bleed build looks very chill to play

[soft surge]

this ones better sorry https://i.imgur.com/1W2Afgz.png

[humble verge]

fight of the bleed builds

[spice surge]

Brother that doesnt have AP or Internal bleeding, how are you gonna compete with my huge demise without those

[humble verge]

pisslowkeybuilds.exe

[golden loom]

while you are busy setting up spatter my target is already bled out

my target suddenly met their demise

[woven turret]

hey guys, is it worth equipping Regicide Dagger Hero 6/6 vs Everforged Stabber ilvl 636

[golden loom]

no?

[soft surge]

[spice surge]

Sim it, but ilvl almost surely better

[golden loom]

mainhand ilvl is most important thing, and if its for offhand then its whatever I guess

[woven turret]

aight thanks

[soft surge]

regicide is the tmog dagger

[spice spire]

He won’t buddy. It’s over. You’ve got the high ground (big demise propaganda)

[spice surge]

Big demise approves of your message

Im afraid we'll be under the tyrannical rule of caustic spatter for a while more until we get to be unleashed with the big demises

[spice spire]

Ty for the new name eleem

[strange tundra]

For what level keys is that

[dawn seal]

omg

guys

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6Prq7K4yJ18VHNFx?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=240

LOOK AT ME

93

PARSE

HEROIC

[tranquil cobalt]

How do they do class changes for 11.1 and no change to our tier set

Woof

[radiant raven]

hell yeah, well done

[dawn seal]

@spice spire can u check if I have mistakes

[dawn seal]

thank yew :>

[subtle tundra]

Bleedmaxxing is the correct answer

[dawn seal]

can u check my lo

log

[subtle tundra]

Maybe when I'm not on phone

[dawn seal]

ohh

YAY

thanks

whenever u are available

u gonna be proud

[maiden sierra]

whispyr told us that we were going to get no changes in the patch notes besides a bug fix for a bug nobody even knew existed.
he lied to us, we didint even get bug fixes

[dawn seal]

[tranquil cobalt]

Seriously looks like it's a sub tier. I am sure more changes will happen but that tier set hurts my eyes to read

[spice spire]

More like President of Parseland amiright

Patience boys chill

[red schooner]

its fine there's still time, I STILL HAVE MILD HOPE

its all i have left let me have this

[subtle tundra]

It's a reroll and chill kind of season

[maiden sierra]

[golden loom]

at the end of the day does tier set really matter

like sin is good atm and the tier set doesnt really do much, and with no class changes is that really gonna change in a meaningful way

atleast I will be the best rogue in every raid I am in (1/1)

[red schooner]

i still like sin but we need to buy the rogue dev a trinket or something, sap shouldn't last this long

[waxen oyster]

What

sap already got nerfed

[royal lantern]

huh

[golden loom]

he meant that the dev is sapped irl

[royal lantern]

isnt out of combat cc the same time for everyone

[red schooner]

ye

rogue dev fought a vanilla rogue he's still in stunlock

[golden loom]

hes watching the onlyfangs duel prep getting stun locked

[royal lantern]

well, the sad reality is

rogue is a unpopular class->it gets low attention->because of its low attention its unpopular

[waxen oyster]

Let's be honest

people are only watching hardcore

to watch people have a meltdown when they die

[golden loom]

I have been watching pikaboos stream for 8 hours per day every day for like a month now

[cunning basin]

You're so real for saying this

[weary stump]

We cast vanish and blizzard accidently forgot about us

[royal lantern]

am i real?

are you real?

is any of this real?

[waxen oyster]

Except pvpers constantly complain about the class

no matter how good it is

[tranquil cobalt]

I wouldn't care if it was weak if it was at least cool. This tier set is all RNG nonsense that will be impossible to track and you just never think about. Well also being weak

[cunning basin]

I hope not, maybe we'll wake up in a reality where rogue receives appropriate attention

[royal lantern]

stay strong and :3

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

[royal lantern]

until the voices go away

[cunning basin]

:3

[waxen oyster]

most people associate "fun" bonuses

with performing well

How was the amirdrassil set fun

[golden loom]

yeah but thats just what it has been for the past few sets? or idk ive only played with the one we have now

[waxen oyster]

in any way

It just gave you more damage

for maintaing the envenom loops

[cunning basin]

Number go up = fun

[golden loom]

at the end of the day you just want to do damage

[waxen oyster]

Like what was the last sin tier bonus that actually impacted gameplay

[cunning basin]

Number go down = the voices are back

[waxen oyster]

in a legitimate way

[tranquil cobalt]

Doesn't that kinda make it worse when other classes get cool tier sets? Idn they seem to be wanting to make outlaw better that's for sure. Oh well

[waxen oyster]

All the tier sets look bland

and boring as shit

[cunning basin]

They just nerfed the outlaw tier set

[royal lantern]

you see, it encouraged you tok use envenom inside envenom and it did HUGE dmg and my bar was big

now we have rapid injection but thats totally different

or smth like that

[waxen oyster]

rapid injection encourages

the same gameplay

[royal lantern]

ikr

[cunning basin]

Rapid injection more like rapid

[royal lantern]

its literally the set effect

like, does the same thing

[cunning basin]

But it's less dam

[waxen oyster]

Should just make the damage from rapid injection

[cunning basin]

So no serotonin >:l

[waxen oyster]

be its own bar on details

https://tenor.com/view/earth-round-gif-23061966

[cunning basin]

No make big numbers, bad talent >:|

[waxen oyster]

It's just stupid

majority of people who say "cool tier sets"

are saying "tier set sim increase big"

[royal lantern]

"my class was so much fun back then" means "my class was top dps during that time" ALWAYS lol

[tranquil cobalt]

The sub tier set in aberuss I liked a lot. Because it actually changed how you wanted to play.

[waxen oyster]

that tier set made your gameplay awkward

[dawn seal]

does anyone have a good kyveza vod

to share

[tranquil cobalt]

At least it did something.

[dawn seal]

[waxen oyster]

Not really

You just pressed symbols later

If the sod duration stacked you would have changed nothing

just as an fyi

Also I cannot think of anyone who thought aberrus sub was good gameplay.

[spice surge]

Its a fun build, not a good build

[tranquil cobalt]

You think 11.1 tier set in it's current state will be better?

Like no way right

[waxen oyster]

I like when sub is actually

a burst spec

not

mash shadowstrike evis

x100000

or storm bp

in multitarget

like sub in aberrus was genuinely

the easiest rogue spec

by a mile

[subtle tundra]

I know...

[rotund idol]

Do we build using garrote even way past 5 targets like the sim? Most ppl I see just do 4x garr 2x rupture and call it a day on wcl

[spice surge]

Yes you can build with garrote if theres targets that dont have it up

[rotund idol]

the sim casts 7 garrotes in opener on 10 targets though

oki

[royal lantern]

rogue spec?

you mean spec in general lol

like, abberus sub was BM levels of brain off

[spice surge]

Also its hilarious that they made the raid trinket 90s instead of 120s, now assa might be stuck with the stinky priory trinket

[tranquil cobalt]

No chance. Outlaw was easier. Just was worse

[royal lantern]

honestly kinda funny how much it swinged bettwen patches there

[tranquil cobalt]

Also keep it rolling is still the worst rogue ability in the game. Man do I hate kir

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but nothing comes close to bm

[waxen oyster]

Nah outlaw still required slightly more thought.

Aberrus sub was literally fire everything off cd

[royal lantern]

huh

[waxen oyster]

and press the same 1-3 buttons

[spice surge]

House of Cards cooldown reduced to 1.5 minutes (was 2 minutes), duration reduced to 15 seconds (was 20 seconds), and reduced variance of potential Mastery to ±10% (was 15%).

[tranquil cobalt]

I mean this was when HO was the play and before crack shot no? It was literally ambush on CD and dispatch lol

[golden loom]

holy datamined changes!!!!!!!!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

HO was still more complex than s2 sub

[spice spire]

We got nerfed wtf

[spice surge]

Nah we got buffed budski

[waxen oyster]

I mean sub's tier bonus isnt interesting

[tranquil cobalt]

I can't agree with that. I swapped from outlaw to sub that tier. You literally only pressed two buttons as long as you got ambush procs lol

[waxen oyster]

its just "number go up"

[spice spire]

Miss me with that propaganda

[spice surge]

Shawshank redemption looking ass change for the transmitter situation

[golden loom]

meanwhile mage stuff doesnt fit on the screen even when I am zoomed out to narnia

[waxen oyster]

So how is that different from s2 sub?

you had 2 generators 2 spenders

and fire your cds off cd

[tranquil cobalt]

Because at least you actually had to do burst windows correct. Outlaw didn't even have a CD to press. It's just AR on CD as always

[spice surge]

I mean yes, but theres potential to play around it to make "number go up more"

[waxen oyster]

Burst windows correct

wowee

[spice surge]

Assuming you mean current 11.1 tier

[waxen oyster]

you must send sectec every 3rd

in dances

so difficult

[tranquil cobalt]

It's not much but more than HO outlaw lol

[waxen oyster]

except outlaw lost more on downtime

s2 sub barely had burst

[tranquil cobalt]

Absolutely did. I agree with that

[waxen oyster]

its an absolute joke if you think so

[icy echo]

If it makes you feel better most mage changes are for the worst

[waxen oyster]

blades was not a cooldown

[icy echo]

I played mage season 1 and the changes arcane got week to week actively killed my enjoyment of the spec and the spec itself

[royal lantern]

@spice surge isnt funhouse lenns a 2min btw

[spice surge]

The lens is a open world/delve trinket

[tranquil cobalt]

True old blades was horrible. Shadow dance and sec tech were all that mattered

[spice surge]

Thats 90s

But it gives haste or crit at random

[waxen oyster]

Dance was up too often

it was basically dh meta demonics

arguably dh's demonic essb windows were more impactful than optimal s2 sub dance windows

[tranquil cobalt]

Agreed

Idn either way I am just hoping the tier set gets changed. Don't even care for the numbers to go up. This tier set just won't be fun to play or strong. But I guess we will see

[waxen oyster]

Not sure what they can do

besides make it a copypaste of sub's

[spice surge]

Assa tier sets have just been straightup mastery in a disguise for like 5 tiers in a row now, why stop now

[subtle tundra]

another tier set that wont influence anything in our kit! yay!

[royal lantern]

you forgot direct or indirect envenom dmg as the other set effect part aswell

[waxen oyster]

Wdym

i like when 31% of my damage breakdown

is a st spender

[dawn seal]

💀 I am gonna lose my mind

is it good to go full healing gem on kyveza

raid

[waxen oyster]

No

[fickle lotus]

I'm so sad, with my guild disbanding after getting CE and lack of rogue changes it's making it so hard to continue raiding (at least for next tier) 😭

[royal lantern]

why does it make hard?

[fickle lotus]

I'm not liking what I'm seeing so it's hard to motivate myself to play rogue for another tier

[spice surge]

If you find it fun, play it

If not, then dont

Its pretty much gonna play the exact way it does now

[iron carbon]

Who cares about numbers?

Just enjoy gameplay

If raid is what you like

[dawn seal]

does anyone have a banger playlist to listen

while gaming as rogue

[iron carbon]

My liked titles

[waxen oyster]

Shadowlands Enthusiast

Best title to wear

[runic hinge]

SAME

[golden loom]

youtube autoplay

[waxen oyster]

I forgot to buy the other titles...

[tranquil cobalt]

The most fun change they could make is giving us our acrobatic strike range back hehe

[dawn seal]

spotify

[waxen oyster]

I'd take not being able to be parried.

[golden loom]

spotify

[waxen oyster]

Over acro

[tranquil cobalt]

Bro I had kingsbane parried last night on queen

[waxen oyster]

I love getting kb parried

[tranquil cobalt]

Like shoot me

[waxen oyster]

or shiv

Yeah I've had it happen a few times

[tranquil cobalt]

Like third set of tombs we have to be in front of the boss to be broke out. Like it's not even a play around it moment

[waxen oyster]

she can parry from the side

kinda thicc

[tranquil cobalt]

Feels bad

[waxen oyster]

Had a decent kill pull at least

[tranquil cobalt]

We are only at like 25% on prog. But only 150 pulls

[waxen oyster]

Yeah optimal damage would likely be risky

[tranquil cobalt]

Should die soon

[waxen oyster]

(tank boss near gloom hatchlings for spatter)

[tranquil cobalt]

Honestly platforms seems harder then p3 on queen. A couple more everybody up going into p3 and I think she dies

[waxen oyster]

p3 is kind of chill

[tranquil cobalt]

But we shall see

We are going into phase 3 with the boss at like 46%

Not lusting until up there either

P3 shouldn't last that long

[waxen oyster]

Not lusting pull interesting

[fallow canopy]

p3 is prob the easier part of the fight

at this point

[tranquil cobalt]

Yeah our raid leader doesn't think it really benefits us

And thinks lusting p3 is better. I have no clue what's better

We are lusting right after first portals

[royal lantern]

queen is "if you reach p3 with 20 people, you probs kill her"

its the easiest part of the fight

and its weird that "p3 is the easiest part of the fight and basically just a basic dont stand in shit" is a thing for the last 3 mythic endbosses now lol

3? i mean 4 lol

[worldly sail]

p3 felt dangerous on prog

now you just nuke everything instantly

classic

[earnest remnant]

p3 fyrakk before health nerfs

[tranquil cobalt]

Shackles still hurt. That's the only place we lose people in p3

But we never go up with 20 so lol

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats the problem

most time on prog is trying to get a clean p2 transition and clean p2

[tranquil cobalt]

Adds die so fast in p3 I'm not even running tempest.

[whole mason]

the tier seems fixed? dot ticking no longer drop stacks?

[tranquil cobalt]

I probably should but meh

[plucky sparrow]

anything changing with house of cards going to 1.5 min now?>

[proven jasper]

Sub trinket

[uneven plume]

is tier set still broken (bad way) for sin?

[royal lantern]

you literally never did that

lol

[soft surge]

ok this spec is INSANE https://i.imgur.com/EgxRhWM.png

[tranquil cobalt]

Just top parsers on reclear I guess

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

[tranquil cobalt]

Makes sense

[royal lantern]

top parses are always cheese shit

lmao

[tranquil cobalt]

True

[royal lantern]

did you do a lvl70 dungeon?

[soft surge]

tw

[royal lantern]

yeha, basically the same

[proven jasper]

Demise the goat in those low dungs

[uneven plume]

Demise the goat in high dungeons as well

[brisk vapor]

Lots of rogue attention in 11.1 🙄

[burnt star]

Still no change to assa clown tier set

[wet plover]

Whats the new one?

I havent looked into 11.1 yet

[brisk vapor]

Nothing to see

[burnt star]

Chance when losing stack to maybe gain a buff for 4 sec

[wet plover]

Dogshit

[burnt star]

If only it was a 100% and tied to a rotationnal ability tied to burst

They changed other tier set. So can only copium

[spice surge]

I mean its fine

Its intended to not be consistent

And random

If they just make it work like it says it should

[royal lantern]

sub set is stronger and consistent, if you embrace absolute bullshit rupture spam

god thats so grimm

[soft surge]

isnt every specs tier clown rng stuff

for undermine

[royal lantern]

some are not really rng

melee dps sets are mostly just very bad

[golden loom]

like the casters get their bonus when they use major cds

[royal lantern]

cus winning streak is just bullshit lol

[golden loom]

so they mostly seem nice

[mighty crown]

i woke up to 2 changes

[waxen oyster]

I mean sub is like that isnt it

You cant lose winning streak during dance.

[soft surge]

im more excited for havoc

[waxen oyster]

Which is the only time you do damage anyway

[hardy fulcrum]

🧢 or

[waxen oyster]

veng has the better of the 2 dh tier bonuses

from what i saw

[winged sun]

is there something wrong

with sin eneryg on ptr?

in raid

feel like im rupturing shit all the time but no energy?

[spice spire]

Do you have poisons on

[winged sun]

yea i do

maybe the adds on this boss cant be poisoned? didnt check actually

cant be or no idea

wait

how is house of cards trinket 1.5 min cd

thats broken wtf

gives more mastery than skardyn's

weird

eye of kezan trinket looks op in raid

especially on longer fights i think

[spice surge]

Ye so it got nerfed for assa

But there is a 2 min one from priory, its just like skardyn pretty much

[winged sun]

wdym

it still gives more stamina than skardyn

mastery*

[spice surge]

It was 2 min until now

[winged sun]

or did they nerf the mastery? doesnt seem its up if it is

[proven jasper]

They nerfed the duration for sure

Idk about the mastery

[winged sun]

oh

lemme check

[proven jasper]

went from 20sec to 15sec

think

[winged sun]

actually maybe i cant check cuz i cant login

[winged sun]

brooooooooooo

no way

[proven jasper]

ya ya

[spice surge]

They nerfed the ramping mastery only ig

So not all of it

[winged sun]

well i cant even log on ptr anymore

perma dc

gonna just play tmrw iguess

[spice surge]

But ye lmao even the low roll gives more than the priory one which has 2 min cd

[golden loom]

maybe the big rogue change they have in the pipeline is making sin a 1.5min spec

with 30 sec kb

or just make kb 1.5min I guess

[clever sapphire]

ye people would love that

[proven jasper]

[clever sapphire]

having a 1.5min cd and a 2min cd

sounds amazing

man i wonder where i have seen that before

[proven jasper]

Might as well make dm 10 mins

Make it old army

[golden loom]

well they would have to make both 1.5min

[clever sapphire]

so you mean exactly like sub

[golden loom]

or fk it, 3 min spec

buff bleeds and then have it be a GIGA burst 3min spec

[clever sapphire]

and remove spatter and kb

[proven jasper]

They could start with making bleeds actually bleed

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

cooking

[clever sapphire]

internal bleeding and infinite bleeds in aoe

feck spatter

feck envenom

[proven jasper]

Fuck it giga buff IB

[clever sapphire]

man IB sounds so fun in aoe

if it actually did something

[proven jasper]

Dude yea

id love that

[clever sapphire]

imagine you press rupture and now he has 3 bleeds on him (ib and corrupt the blood)

[proven jasper]

Peak

[clever sapphire]

and they do more dmg than a melee hit

dayum

[spice surge]

Bonespike

[proven jasper]

4 BLEEDS

5 BLEEDS

DONT FORGET CT

[golden loom]

make rupture duration shorter but higher damage, make IB apply a stack everytime you cast rupture on the target

full bleed build supreme deluxe

[royal lantern]

you are actually so giga smart

turn assa into a burst spec->assa and sub fulfill the same thing now->turn sub into a 90sec spec->turn assa into a 90sec spec->assa and sub fullfill the same role now

[golden loom]

ur right

make sub a 2 min spec

[proven jasper]

what if

[fallow canopy]

Keep the extinguisher at hand fellas

[golden loom]

so they cant use new trinket

[royal lantern]

just swap it every single tier

[coral ibex]

what if kingsbane had no set timer but reset its duration on every envenom and expired automatically when you use a finisher other than envenom

[golden loom]

but then the same for deathmark and rupture

so u had to choose which theme u like more, blood or poison

[royal lantern]

WE ARE OUTLAW NOW

[proven jasper]

Breath of sindragosa???

[clever sapphire]

court prog is not doing my head any good

[royal lantern]

80% KINGSBANE UPTIME

[golden loom]

they will have to add Twist the Kingsbane

[royal lantern]

and thats the nerfed version

the fight is just SO ass, its incredible lol

[fallow canopy]

At least its not lile the ptr version

[clever sapphire]

why cant season end

[royal lantern]

if we wanna talk about ptr version

remember PTR version of echo?

[clever sapphire]

so i can just stop this boss

[fallow canopy]

Its ass but just annoying ass instead of i wanna end my life in game ass

[coral ibex]

the people rejected jesus because he spoke the truth

[clever sapphire]

its not even annoying ass

its boring ass

[fallow canopy]

I didnt raid mythic at that point so i was obliviously happy

[clever sapphire]

its like im rehearsing for like an exam

atleast im topping dmg since we get to the dmg amps

[fallow canopy]

Except the exam depends on everyones answer

[royal lantern]

well

the ptr version had "class based MC effects"

aka he calls out a class, and everyone of that class does a harmfull effect

like DK gripping everyone into them

or warrior doing a bladestorm that does dmg to the team

or roge doing a teleport ambush that nuked 80% of a random guys hp

🙂

there is a reason why it was scrapped

[proven jasper]

Jesus

[fallow canopy]

Oh yea that sounds very fun

[royal lantern]

iirc druid was randomly shapeshifting into other forms

aka guardian could literally not play the fight cus they wold have left bear form while tanking

[fallow canopy]

There's been a lot of cooking and burning the kitchen on 2nd to last bosses on ptr

[golden loom]

wait silken court was vanilla nefarian?

[clever sapphire]

the rogue one got replaced by rogues now pressing beacon on someone they hated

[golden loom]

oh nvm

[fallow canopy]

Tindral I think, may be misremembering, was the reverse with it being a lot easier on ptr

[royal lantern]

real

[golden loom]

I mean if it was echo of neltharion that had that it kinda makes some thematic sense

[clever sapphire]

tindral had 4 seconds seeds, and you could only soak 1 seed

[royal lantern]

wait, no

the REAL play was using Blind on the demolocks Tyrant

actually nuked their dmg more then killing them

[clever sapphire]

not sure if anything else was different

[royal lantern]

i mean, the echo mechanic was a callback to nefarian yeha

which like, sure, echo of neltharion, aka nefarians dad

he even still says the "class lines" when you have the "shadow phase kill the add" thing in p2

but they removed the actual class MC mechanic cus it was just a shitshow lol

[golden loom]

yeah probably plays awfully in a game with 100 more mechanics

[royal lantern]

one of the rare moments where they where smart enough to see a problem BEFORE releasing it

[royal lantern]

thing was more like

rogue got it? yeha somebody dies now

cus the dmg was absurd

warrior got it? no melee can do anything cus they all need to run out and wait

and imagine you getting randomly teleported around the arena, nuking a teammate and then having to run back lol

[proven jasper]

Id be laughing all the way to the bank

sounds fun

[golden loom]

ruining 2 peoples parse

[clever sapphire]

aaaaah true

that was the way

i remember sending kb on some add with spatter

and just demolishing anyone in melee range

fun times

[fallow canopy]

The first few pulls sure but after 100-200pulls its another story

[clever sapphire]

what do you mean

he would be benched after the first few pulls

cause he a rogue

[proven jasper]

^^^

aint clearing shit

[fallow canopy]

[clever sapphire]

that moment when you forget to apply your poisons and have to reapply them at your 2nd kb

fun stuff

[royal lantern]

i managed to do 2 CE kills where in the last 20sec of a fight my poisons where gone

good old "last pull of the night"

[clever sapphire]

you are just that good

i missed around 30 sec in total

[royal lantern]

allright guys, question

who does more dmg in TW

a 639 fully geared mythic rogue

or a lvl70 warlock that pressed immolate once

[true rapids]

the lvl 10 mistweaver monk

[spice spire]

How geared is the lock

But probably the lock

[proven jasper]

Wearing greens still

[spice spire]

Like leveling greens

Or end of tier type shit

[proven jasper]

nah world drop greens

[spice spire]

Still the lock

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

well ofc

i know its not really a big deal

but damm, how did they screw it up that bad lol

[split veldt]

so is Sin still gonna be the go-to spec next season?

[spice spire]

🔮

[clever sapphire]

no because its not ranged

[royal lantern]

throwing knife yo

[clever sapphire]

its called poisoned knife

smh you dont even know your main builders name

[tawny rapids]

!team

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[subtle tundra]

ahhh why they nerf house of the cards now bis is from vault again

fuck you blizzdong add a way to get mythic m+

[gusty mirage]

I can't read

[royal lantern]

idk what you said there, but yes

[cerulean nest]

wow rogue really getting some delicate and comprehensive work in these ptr notes huh

we're lucky

[clever sapphire]

fair, cant argue with that

[past marten]

Why do you hate sub? 😛

[subtle tundra]

its unfair you get bis from raid twice in a row

and we get bis from m+

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[past marten]

Yeah I hate BiS from M+

still don't have a mythic skardyns

[clever sapphire]

which boss drops that trinket btw?

positionally

because my chances of getting myth skardyn are higher than getting a myth transmitter

so i didnt mind it much this season

[proven jasper]

Slot machine one i think

[clever sapphire]

well thats why i asked position, i got no idea about which boss that is xd

[warm vortex]

Someone gifted me nitro (Because im writing a project for them atm and they wanted to give it

So i can finally use things to show how im feeling with rogue atm

[hollow river]

I think the raid layout is odd

[warm vortex]

Jk

[hollow river]

For the first 5

[hearty radish]

signet of priory? even with the CD change, card gives a lot more mastery for the entire duration of DM / KB. you run the numbers?

[warm vortex]

Here i am like a goober
Not knowing anyhting about the next patch

[proven jasper]

I think its the 6th

[warm vortex]

Also hope everyone is having a good evening

Finally got back on and got my ring up

[subtle tundra]

i used common sense, didnt look at numbers

[warm vortex]

Now i just wait for next season as im still like
538

Or whatever near max ilevel is

[clever sapphire]

so no sub season for me

got it

[sacred cedar]

am i missing something here

[clever sapphire]

ye the id changed

or build

ye build id changed

[warm vortex]

I was so confused

I was like

"It's the same picture"

[sharp viper]

amazing

[spice surge]

Even when you roll the lowest number cards give more mastery than priory does with 4 allies using it

But cards is 15s and not 20

[runic hinge]

So macro to kb not dm ?

[spice surge]

Prob doesnt matter much, but sure

[spice spire]

Cursed

[subtle tundra]

idk!

sub looking mighty stronk

good tier set ez trinket

[cloud basin]

I figured we would still have house of cards as one of the go to trinkets anyways honestly

[spice surge]

Theyre likely to get retuned

But currently yes, it gives more stats than the 2 minute one at all times (albeit 15s instead of 20)

[balmy condor]

trinkets are all over the place atm

[analog field]

hello guys, i am crafting a dagger and i want to ask if missive with critical and mastery is the best. Also i use authority of the depths right ? I mostly do M+ not raid that much

[hollow river]

Radiant power

As far as the stats go you can sim it to see what’ll work best for you atm if you wanted to

[analog field]

and the dagger is the everforged stbber right ?

[keen spruce]

ye

[analog field]

ty

[whole snow]

There’s no cantrip dagger next tier right

[spice spire]

Yes

[west crown]

what is cantrip?

[spice surge]

A word people sometimes use for effects like the ansurek ring

Something with an additional effect

[solid hemlock]

is sin's season 2 tierset still actual brainrot? i saw no changes in wowhead post

[spice surge]

Think its still bugged yes

But idk, i dont really understand the hatred for it

Its just a passive effect, and I dont feel like sin needed a tier set that changed gameplay a lot since the base gameplay is good

[hearty reef]

4s

[solid hemlock]

i wouldnt mind a passive tierset tbh, but the season 2 one you actually need to track with a WA - thats not passive

[royal lantern]

the hatred comes from the RNG part for most people tbh

[solid hemlock]

and the 4s is bs because it can procc on low energie

[royal lantern]

atleast i think that rn

[royal lantern]

you will not track that

why would you

whats the gain lol

[solid hemlock]

why wouldnt you

huh

[royal lantern]

its a rng effect if it happens

[spice surge]

Just the fact that its named something rng related moreso

[warped root]

i think i had 80% uptime with max stack on a 5 min target dummy session surely that's intended guys right

[royal lantern]

like, whats the gain to track it, you cant influence it at all

[spice surge]

Theres tons of stuff thats significantly more rng that people love

[royal lantern]

yes

there is RNG and there is in-your-face RNG

and the 2nd is hated WAAAAY more

[spice spire]

Call me the second

[royal lantern]

1 of the reasons why RTB is still such a controversial ability

like, we know that its not huge impact, but you literally throw some dice, that allready makes many people angry cus they think "what if the result is bad"

meanwhile we had almost a 25% dmg variance during amidrasill and most didnt knew that, cus it was "hidden" behind procs lol

[solid hemlock]

whats the logic behind that statement? you dont track a 4s dmg window bc you cant influence the proc?

[hearty reef]

Because you cant use it

[warped root]

nah man surely that's where you pop DM

[runic hinge]

And because what does it matter if you can you gonna hold energy for every finisher so you can double build and maybe spend?

[spice surge]

If the proc doesnt change any if your decisionmaking theres no reason to track it

[royal lantern]

what do you do in that window? you cant suddenly change the gameplay

like, its 4seconds, thats 1 envenom doing more dmg if it happens during it

you dont suddenly get full energy+full cp to dump stuff into those 4 seconds

[warped root]

tell the raid to hold bl and pi for your 4 sec window

[hearty reef]

Which would still be 1 enve

[royal lantern]

if its procing when im doing a envenom, yeha sure, that envenom does more dmg

if its procing when im about to re-apply ruptre, you still re-apply ruptre

[solid hemlock]

yeah but you would want to use envenom if decently pooled - even before the envenom buff runs out

[spice surge]

Its possible they buff it enough that youd want to pool so that you could always get that extra envenom in for sure

[solid hemlock]

you would just not track it and press evenom 0,5s after the actual tierset buff runs out i c

they will certainly buff the duration

[spice surge]

But like, you arent tracking the current tier set

Or alacrity

[royal lantern]

^

[spice surge]

Because theyre irrelevant to your decisionmaking

[solid hemlock]

bc our current tierset is super passive why would i

[royal lantern]

and the next is that aswell?

[solid hemlock]

s2 tierset you could actually potentially squeeze

[royal lantern]

like, its literally the same effect just with another name (again, for the 2000th time in a row)

passive more dmg

[solid hemlock]

for 4s

[spice surge]

But like, youd be squeezing it by just playing the exact same way you would anyway

[solid hemlock]

so you guys think theres no scenario in which ur decently pooled, you still have 3sec on your envenom buff and 1sec on tierset buff and actually press it earlier then you would bc of the buff? i mean we have TTK

[royal lantern]

^ you play assa, what do you do different

you keep bleeds up->mut mut envenom

like, idk what you suddenly could do different except "i delay my finisher because i MAYBE get a proc!"

but at that point you probably run into the "you delay them so often that you miss out casts and actually just lose dmg again" range

[solid hemlock]

im not saying it happens a lot, its just min max

i dont understand why you wouldnt wanna track it - theres gonna be cases where you would envenom a global earlier to squeeze it in the dmg window even if theres like 2-3sec left on your actual envenom buff no?

[royal lantern]

but thats no minmaxing

[solid hemlock]

bc of TTK

you dont even lose, because it stacks twice

[royal lantern]

like, our current tierset is literally "get stacks that give you 10% more poison dmg"

NOBODY ever tracked that because "if im at max stacks ill do 10% more dmg with envenom"

even when it was a lower uptime

[runic hinge]

With ttk and dashing I hardly ever need to pool now because we have so much energy. If I’m not pressing envenom that’s just missing casts

[royal lantern]

^

that aswell

[runic hinge]

ST in raid is so flooded as it is

[solid hemlock]

thats raid ST

ye

[royal lantern]

if you start delaying cast for a CHANCE of MAYBE getting a single finisher that does a bit more dmg, you will straight up lose dmg

espacialy when our dmg outside of cds is allready low

and during cds you spam

[solid hemlock]

dude

[runic hinge]

Yeah idc about m+ ST

[solid hemlock]

XD

you would never wait for a random proc

[dapper cradle]

Yeah I purposely play without ttk and dashing to avoid the energy overflow

[runic hinge]

That’s fair

[solid hemlock]

you would just sometimes press envenom like half a sec earlier than you would bc it fits in your tierset dmg window - bc you tracked it

dont track it thats fine

[spice surge]

Envenom (proc) > Mutilate > Mutilate > Envenom
Envenom (no proc) > Mutilate > Mutilate > Envenom

Again, if they make the proc strong enough you would probably end up pooling energy to make sure you can always use those 4 globals in a row

[solid hemlock]

did they change it?

that was my initial question because from what i'ven seen it procs from rupture ticks even

[spice surge]

Thats a bug

[solid hemlock]

i see

well that explains the confusion lmao

[royal lantern]

stop right there

this is the internet, you dont say stuff like that

always double down and call everyone else stupid

[solid hemlock]

i was questioning my existence

hope they change it to 6sec tho

for m+ ST specifically

[spare pier]

i really need help 😦 im struggling with rotation and im not sure what im doing wrong, anyone hmu and help me out?

[west crown]

do you have any idea what you are having a hard time with?

or can you give a quick run down of your thought process on what to do

[spare pier]

well as of right now im opening stealth>ambush>garrote>rupture then going into mutilate to 5-6 CP then finishing with evenom but after that is where im unsure of when to be using/timing shiv,kingsbane,vanish and deathmark i havent played in the last 2 xpacs and came back to a friends guild and they needed a rogue so i said fuck it and decided to roll one, back in the day my main was a prot pally so everythings super different and i feel like im just confused as hell lol

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[west crown]

the guides will help a lot but we are mainly a burst spec, and outside of that you are shooting for uptime. So optimizing bleed uptime, envenom uptime while not running out of energy

[runic hinge]

Whispyr on YouTube has some guides too. The info should still be mostly accurate

[west crown]

the guide should help a lot with the burst sequence

[spare pier]

ill look them up i actually started watching some on youtube but wasnt really sure what was current etc

[royal lantern]

yeha, just check Whispyr, its the same guy that makes the wowhead guides and manages a big bunch of the TC stuff here

[runic hinge]

He’s basically John blizzard

[spare pier]

thank you ill def look into that for sure

[vast loom]

if you have no clue when to use your CDs, start with trying to use them ASAP after your setup, then over time you will notice good and bad times to use CDs

[wise whale]

God I love cock

[static glacier]

[midnight arrow]

[tawdry halo]

is 11.1 tierset still bugged? (assuming that proccing winning streak of bleed tics is actually a bug and not InTeNdEd GaMePlAy)

[harsh bronze]

I did a simulation for my character, and it said I should be dealing 660k damage, even with my item level being 607. I feel like the build I have may just be bad. My build is the icy veins raid spec, if you want to take a look. I was wondering if someone had a build that works!

[spare pier]

i noticed whysper had like a guide but it says 11.05 and his talents are different than what wowhead has etc, is this part out of date as of now ?

[spare pier]

can you link the website you used? im at 617 ilvl and it seems im running between 7-750k

[earnest remnant]

if you are talking about a video, then just follow wowhead its easier to keep written guides up to date

[spare pier]

thanks

[harsh bronze]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4iQfmk8apFDJz2PwLvv7Pn

[earnest remnant]

build is correct

[midnight arrow]

did u mean to have all raidbuffs/lust off

[spice spire]

You have a 593 mh and sketchy trinkets and also yeah all raid buffs off

[harsh bronze]

Yeah, I just wanted stats for target dummy

[earnest remnant]

low ilvl + 0 enchants

no on-use

its rough out there

[spice spire]

Yeah no the number is right. High gear # is neat but your gear that impacts the most isn’t looking so hot

This also isn’t to dunk it’s more to say “number makes sense”

[harsh bronze]

How can I get enchants and on-uses? and which ones are good?

[earnest remnant]

learn to craft them or buy them from AH

on-use just refers to a trinket with a on-use effect

you'd wanna get skardyns from Grim batol

[harsh bronze]

Alright

Thanks!

[balmy condor]

the videos are like 95% accurate, 11.0.5 got rid of echoing reprimand, removed the need to press slice and dice, and made us macro thistle tea

so like just 3x passive and button removal

rest of the spec is entirely unchanged

[harsh bronze]

Ok, I just did another sim, but this time with patchwerk, and it says I should be doing 1 mil damage. That makes a lot more sense. But now my problem is that I'm only dealing 600k damage. What could a fix be now? Here's a picture of my damage

[balmy condor]

breakdown looks okay but I see sanguine blades so I'm not really sure what you're simming for or comparing

earlier it was 660 with a raid build no?

[harsh bronze]

it was a raid build, with no raid buffs because it was the training dummy setting

[balmy condor]

then I'm not sure why sanguine blades is there, that's not part of the raid build

but yeh idk without logs the breakdown seems about right

[harsh bronze]

Is it not? I'll fix that and see if it helps

[balmy condor]

sanguine blades is something we try to avoid in single target because the energy it eats is not worth the damage it provides

when talented into it, you want to be under 50% as much as possible

[harsh bronze]

Gotcha, that makes sense

[toxic badger]

Is it normal in m+ to just be absolutely energy starved on bosses with no cleave. Only just started playing ass after playing tank all xpac, and most of the dungeon feels good until some bosses im just struggling by after 50%

[balmy condor]

yes

that's intended

[midnight arrow]

i feel like hunt them down should be doing double that dmg

[balmy condor]

oh I didn't even see it

yeah that's a good eye

why is it doing 2%

should be closer to like 6%

[harsh bronze]

How do I get it higher?

[toxic badger]

o7 so pre much blow cd's do roation. have no energy one cd's back up get a little more energy back because of double bleeds

[balmy condor]

uptime on the deathstalker mark

it's just auto attack damage

so would indicate that you aren't applying deathstalkers mark

[balmy condor]

burst spec pov yeh

[harsh bronze]

Gotcha, ok. Yeah, I don't think i've been paying too much attention to that

[balmy condor]

the mark is 25% of your damage

[warped flame]

guys, whats the soft cap in our mastery?

[balmy condor]

126 mastery points from gear

so roughly 160%ish

[warped flame]

nice tysm

[balmy condor]

well, that's a hard cap technically

game literally won't let you have more mastery than that

but good enough

[runic hinge]

I could get more

[midnight arrow]

oh also apply amplyfing poison lol

[balmy condor]

[warped flame]

yeye

Im at 32%

[harsh bronze]

Cool

[warped flame]

But I wanted more haste and now Im with 8%

[balmy condor]

what

[warped flame]

I missed a point lol

[balmy condor]

8% is crazy

[warped flame]

crazy high or low

[nova aspen]

stat andy

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure impossibly low

with no gear on assa has a base of uh

[warped flame]

Yeah its terrible

[balmy condor]

12%?

[warped flame]

nah

i dont think so, at least the game doesnt tell me that

[balmy condor]

I mean every spec starts with 8 mastery points baseline, our multiplier is 1.7

so that's already well over 8%

[harsh bronze]

I'm at 11% with raid finder tier gear

[balmy condor]

like should be impossible to go under 13.6% mast

[gilded oasis]

I have 13.4% haste, how am I doin

[warped flame]

idk Im talking about this

[balmy condor]

that's 49

[warped flame]

true

I was looking at my wow armory before

[balmy condor]

oh that's cooked

[warped flame]

I was changing gear and now I have 49 somehow, its actually weird because it wasnt supposed to go from 32 to 49

[balmy condor]

armory be saying some crazy shit

[warped flame]

idk man at this point Im even more confused

yeah

[spice spire]

Shit

[gilded oasis]

I know I am but what are you

wait

[balmy condor]

this is why we sim