god forbid outlaw not being bis rogue spec for 1 tier
#assassination
maiden sierra
balmy condor
outlaw is an eternal cycle of "we don't have burst so we suck really bad"
and then still being totally fine
dapper cradle
god forbid outlaw not being bis rogue spec for 1 tier
hasn't been bis for like 4 tiers lol
maiden sierra
hasn't been bis for like 4 tiers lol
i swear its always neck and neck
brave comet
hasn't been bis for like 4 tiers lol
what about df s3?
dapper cradle
what about df s3?
it was the strongest rogue spec in keys for sure, but certainly not in raid
maiden sierra
granted i have friends who gaslight me all the time that outlaw is the best rogue spec because they are sin haters
balmy condor
it hasn't been bis, it's just been like a top 7 spec when sub/assa have traded being a top 5 spec
maiden sierra
im of mind that outlaw needs to be deleted and combat to make a return
hire me blizzard, i will make great changes
runic hinge
I don’t get why people wanna go back to ss evis spam like it’s some golden age of rogue
balmy condor
I don’t get why people wanna go back to ss evis spam like it’s some golden age o...
sorry what's the difference?
runic hinge
Sounds like they just want outlaw with the apm of sin lol
balmy condor
kinda based tbh
dapper cradle
Sounds like they just want outlaw with the apm of sin lol
i mean, you can play those builds
they're just really behind lol
mighty crown
golden era of rogue is when dots do damage 
balmy condor
real
dapper cradle
golden era of rogue is when dots do damage <:CAUGHT:1250659892465762345>
is JPC coming back or are you repping rogue for liquid again next tier?
mighty crown
jpc is osrs main retired
balmy condor
playing poison spec in wow 
playing poison spec in poe2 
maiden sierra
my first change in office would be making sin get a new aoe spell that stores all bleed damage done over a certain time period and then releases it into instant aoe damage.
vote for me and i will buff bleeds to matter in the game!
ill also buff shadowstep range by additional 5 yards and give us 2 shiv charges by default.
maiden sierra
playing poison spec in wow <:Sad_Magik:837689783714447420>
playing poison spec ...
love poison build in poe1 and 2
balmy condor
bro really thought he could just christopher columbus soul capacitor
maiden sierra
i have no clue what soul capacitor is but if its been done before thats clearly because its a great idea!
great minds think alike 
balmy condor
was one of the strongest trinkets they've ever made
balmy condor
1 change and it's gonna be fixing a bug
and it won't be the tier set
and no one will have noticed the bug before
and we're all going to go "what"
runic hinge
golden era of rogue is when dots do damage <:CAUGHT:1250659892465762345>
Incredibly based
maiden sierra
i remember back in bfa last season, due to essences, corruption and shrouded suffocation stacking, 1 of our bleeds was STONKS.
what a time to be alive it was
balmy condor
yeh except that shit was omega cringe cause you could hide your energy bar and never care
and we had to play exsanguinate
and it was very awkward
runic hinge
Remember when vendetta was exsang and also one min cd
maiden sierra
im cooking a new talent idea
marked for death rework:
has a chance to give you 1-5 super charged combo points.
killing a target marked for death resets its CD and increeses the chance for higher amount of super charged combo points.
man blizzard can hire me any days on god
earnest remnant
to the streets with you
maiden sierra
tall jay
3 more weeks before we do this for real right? right? RIGHT!!!
thorn thorn
2 more weeks until our tier is reworked
mellow sun
Progging Queen last phase, I’m on the last pickup set before the kill - is it worth trying to shadow step over the ring or not worth it/should just use the portal?
coral ibex
macro shadowstep to target a mage or warlock
mellow sun
Kk
runic hinge
2 more weeks until our tier is reworked
And it’ll still be a week until I apologize
timber meadow
is vanish or cloak up for every root break in p1? i had freedom in p1 all prog so didn't even pay attention but wanted to help one of the palys not play paly
humble verge
no
you delay vanish first
and then cloak 2nd
then you just have to kill the last one
timber meadow
first one i typically dont have to delay - it lines up almost perfectly with when id want to vanish mostly
timber meadow
yeah thats fine - i get what you're saying.. so yeah last one you gotta kill
soft drift
do yall do clear the witness during kingsbane
sometimes my sim does it, sometimes it doesnt
i cannot tell if it's worth
final haven
In slice situations when you put KB on prio mob you still use mut once 8-10s just to proc caustic
runic hinge
Yes
dapper cradle
is it troll to go cheat death on kyveza
midnight mist
wrong chat
its troll to go assa instead of outlaw on kyveza
yes
come back to the light side
worldly sail
dapper cradle
haha honestly been having more fun as sin
more mental space to bant and make gooning jokes in disc
midnight mist
??
shy pecan
come back to the light side
The light side is truly leaving outlaw
midnight mist
please dont talk to me about today events
balmy condor
sometimes my sim does it, sometimes it doesnt
It always does it as 2nd highest priority generator after caustic application
midnight mist
I do not associate
balmy condor
My heart goes out to you Zac
static glacier
I don’t get why people wanna go back to ss evis spam like it’s some golden age o...
ret is most popular spec, should tell you something about what people like in terms of complexity
you ask any modern ret player what they thought about old spells like seraphim or inquisition and they'll spit at you
runic hinge
Yeah sounds like they want builder spender game play without high apm or maintenance buffs
static glacier
personally i think ol design should stay similar to what it is
but in general id imagine outlaw reverting to giga ez combat would actually make the spec a lot more popular than the few thousand diehards
coral ibex
why do they need to sell out the diehard outlaw fans to appeal to some fotm andys who wont stick around playing the spec once the next fotm is discovered
static glacier
why do they need to sell out the diehard outlaw fans to appeal to some fotm andy...
they don't need to
what gave you that idea
coral ibex
the people typing in chat who think gutting outlaw is a good idea
earnest remnant
personally id take great joy in that
balmy condor
I mean widening the appeal of classes is kinda the whole goal isn’t it
Every time a spec is fotm you create new diehards
Why do you think there’s so many ret and hunter die hards
It ain’t cause of their fotm appeal
thorn thorn
Everytime a spec is fotm its nothing short of a curse for them cuz you end up with idiots flooding content and class discords with dumb questions
balmy condor
Boy don’t gotta tell me
thorn thorn
And sometimes you get 630 enh shamans that cant even do 900k overall in a 10
earnest remnant
tbf i dont expect anybody that is doing 10s so be remotely good at the class they are on
thorn thorn
If they are 630 and 2500 then I do develop some form of expectation
But nowadays I just assume every random is trash and see if I am proven wrong
Like a sin rogue with 6 shiv uses across an entire key
balmy condor
Dude I hate enhance shamans regardless cause I do raid testing with wordup and that mfer will gap the entire raid if the fight has even a single add
And he’s done so for years
It isn’t even padding, he’s like third on boss damage while doing a third of the raids aoe it’s insane
earnest remnant
i just dont expect anything from anybody that isnt in my guild or around the same area of rank, outside of that only positive surprises can occur
earnest remnant
It isn’t even padding, he’s like third on boss damage while doing a third of the...
did alt m+ raids with him last tier
balmy condor
i just dont expect anything from anybody that isnt in my guild or around the sam...
What do expect from me 
earnest remnant
absolutely nothing, w/e you decide to give, we take as a W
oh there is 1 thing
i expect you to shit on people with dumbass questions
thorn thorn
He does it very well
balmy condor
Yeah that’s just my default operating mode
dense badger
i expect you to shit on people with dumbass questions
iS aSsA s TiEr In s2?!?!
earnest remnant
it ASS tier
balmy condor
S for sub, A for ass, outlaw isn’t even on the tier list it’s so shit
dense badger
It's a sub kinda season I can feel it in Whispyr's toes
rotund oak
Its sub tier,leave whispyr and his toes alone
earnest remnant
What do expect from me <:shy:709073898863329320>
like ive just played this fkcing game for so long, and you realise that 99% of the playerbase is very casual at the game and their performance will show that, so whenever i do a weekly +10 key and i see a warrior doing 500k dps i doesent surprise me in the slightest anymore, but sometimes i will say that i peaks my curiosity so i sometimes look through logs of those runs
dense badger
Warrior doing 500k dps? Blizzard nerf it rn
earnest remnant
in case of that warrior what he wasent doing, was just pressing buttons, he was just kinda afk all the time just auto'ing
dense badger
While on the subject of M+, is it just me that gets the DK's that grip the adds on 3rd boss of GB? Like bruh y do dis
dense badger
in case of that warrior what he wasent doing, was just pressing buttons, he was ...
the auto'ing is me when i run out of energy
earnest remnant
i answered that in my first msg
sometimes casual that seem very lost peak my curiosity so i look
rotund oak
gossip raccoon
storm forum
I wanna take double shiv in all content, what talent swaps slow down the spec the most to do this?
ebon ingot
Macro for DM, Potion and Skyardin please and thank you 🙂
keen spruce
I wanna take double shiv in all content, what talent swaps slow down the spec th...
Lani y tho
wouldn’t double shiv strictly speed up the spec by adding another button press 
thorn thorn
While on the subject of M+, is it just me that gets the DK's that grip the adds ...
If they have even have a brain cell they know grippy hands is a bad idea on that boss
As is slappy hands
dense badger
Great just me and my weeklies then
thorn thorn
I have had it happen before too plenty of times
wise gull
Working on P2 queen right now
If I'm taking gate on second platform does it matter which one I take? I'm on first but I feel like I lose a DM cast doing that
sudden kelp
So for stitchflesh is it best to not apply deathmark to the add and wait until he comes down and apply to him?
static glacier
If I'm taking gate on second platform does it matter which one I take? I'm on fi...
depends when ur sending cds, ideally you take a gate on 1st or 3rd plats
wise gull
I'd be sending CDs immediately on P2 afaik
Otherwise I should hold, right?
I don't think raid leader is gonna change the platform
earnest remnant
being 2nd platform basically means no DM in P2
so like
p1: 2 dm's
p2: 0 dm's
p3: 2 dm's
static glacier
I'd be sending CDs immediately on P2 afaik
if you send dm on cd in p1 you'll have cds coming back at the end of platform 1
normally people then send on platform 2
so gates in plat 1 or 3 are fine
if you have a gate in platform 2 and can't change it perhaps consider asking for autmn to try and cd platform 1
I find everything on p2 dies at the end of dm
wise gull
Gate two would be fine in theory, right? We've only just gotten to platform 2
static glacier
no
your dm will be scuffed
you'll then dm a half hp mob that dies in 5-8 globals
you'd rather just hold for queen
if you must take a plat 2 gate the last one would be best, you'll already have put dm out and empowered KB a bit and they will be able to tick
wise gull
kk thank you! ill bring it up with him
static glacier
np, just beg for plat 1 or 3 gate
grave trail
why are assa rogues using fon outside of witness buff in st
am i missing something
cameback from a break
FoK sorry*
dapper cradle
why are assa rogues using fon outside of witness buff in st
are they?
grave trail
yes
dapper cradle
you only really use it for clear the witness in ST and that's it
where are you seeing this
dapper cradle
link the log
balmy condor
Probably misclicked
spice surge
Im assuming hes at 6 cp and fokking for the last CP for DN
But thats not correct, its better to mutilate
balmy condor
That wouldn’t make sense either
balmy condor
The fok at 20 is cause he just consumed dn
spice spire
What’s dn?
balmy condor
So he wouldn’t even be foking for 7
dapper cradle
What’s dn?
deez night?
balmy condor
Regardless of what the log is doing it’s wrong
grave trail
darkest night
spice spire
Sick
balmy condor
So it’s whatever
coral ibex
agile locust
Is the Ovinax Egg trinket a bis item for sin?
grave trail
I swear i saw a log spamming fon in queen ansurek p1
fok*
let me see if i can find it
so i thought it was some tech
coral ibex
maybe hitting silken tombs
coral ibex
1 min in is like just before 2nd pops
grave trail
exactly and webs wouldnt last 6 globals
coral ibex
grave trail
right lol
balmy condor
Because the game is rng
And the spec is rng
And a couple of bad gcds won’t change shit
blazing pumice
!wax
prisma monolithBOT
- Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
- Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)
icy echo
super new to the spec, is macroing shiv + tea together going to hamper my damage in any way?
slate crown
super new to the spec, is macroing shiv + tea together going to hamper my damage...
!shiv
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
ty
slate crown
super new to the spec, is macroing shiv + tea together going to hamper my damage...
No it's fine
icy echo
already on my bars
slate crown
don't listen to le she's a filthy sub main
I'm retired I'm an ah main
runic hinge
You’re saying she retired immediately after being forced into keys with you?
balmy condor
Quake is forcing all the retired people into keys
First me
Now lisonna
It’s so over
blazing pumice
does wax still do the thing where it doesn't work thru death?
static glacier
why are assa rogues using fon outside of witness buff in st
only other explanation would be if they're out of melee range for some reason
agile locust
What’s people’s opinion on Ovi’nax’s Mercurial Egg? I’m replacing spyglass with it, worth it?
drifting cloud
myth track spyglass? how much is that in dps, personally for anything around 5k I wouldnt bother, egg is fine but not worth the hassle for <0.5% gains
agile locust
Yeah both mythic track. Egg haves me 6k dps extra on sims
runic hinge
6k dps on a sim doing like 1.4 million is not much dps lol
agile locust
Yeah lol 😏
vast patio
How are our m+ prospects for 11.1?
spice surge
Theres been no changes
vast patio
I'm a bit out of the loop for rogue. Good to hear then.
slim pebble
Can we cloak before going through portal on queen and avoid the debuff?
shadow badger
^
bleak ledge
You can just shadow step over to someone if you want to avoid debuff
shadow badger
wait what?
bleak ledge
In P3?
runic hinge
Wait til your mage blinks over and step to them
bleak ledge
Yeah you can step it
bleak ledge
It will take the debuff off, so going through I’m not sure if it prevents application or just drops a puddle right there
If you have cloak I would just pop it after you get through and clear the area near the portal
dawn kelp
can u cloak or step thru wave with essence
spice surge
can u cloak or step thru wave with essence
You can step over it yes, cloak no
Or well, you still get the debuff and die once cloak ends
So just step
dawn kelp
word do u step a tm8 or boss
wide crown
I’m new to rogue, is assassination a good spec to get started with? Any recommendations for easy/dumbed down builds to get me used to the class before starting to min/max?
shy heron
Yes assassination is a good spec to learn
hollow river
the wowhead builds should be fine for getting started really
not a huge difference in playstyle between different builds
shy heron
Wowhead guides are written by people in this discord so they're good to follow
wide crown
Good to know, ty.
brazen sphinx
So, don't judge me - but this is how I play my Rogue:
Open with ambush, apply all the dots I can (Kingsbane, rupture, garrote), and then I simply mutilate and envenom, and re-apply dots the moment they come up. (single target)
But my DPS is meh. How wrong am I? 🙂
balmy condor
Given we’re a burst spec and the majority of our damage comes from cooldowns
That kingsbane makes me nervous
hollow river
^
if you're using kingsbane before garrote/rupture and the rest of your pre CD set up/ramp that's no bueno
brazen sphinx
And the benefit of Shiv is?
hollow river
shiv buffs nature damage
brazen sphinx
Gotcha
hollow river
would definitely recommend giving the wowhead assa guide a thorough read through
it breaks things down quite well
brazen sphinx
TY
hollow river
brazen sphinx
One last Q - do you ever hit envenom if you're at 5/6 CP?
Or do you always try to max at 7
hollow river
you only want to force max combo points when consuming your Darkest Night buff
all other finishers should be at 5 or more combo points
over capping (wasting) combo points is no bueno
brazen sphinx
Okay, I lied - one more. How are you notified of Darkest Night buff? I'm assuming setting up weak aura helps with this?
coral ibex
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
dapper cradle
yeah you get a buff on your character
defs get a weakaura for it
all those ^^^ are bangert
winged sun
Okay, I lied - one more. How are you notified of Darkest Night buff? I'm assumin...
Brother
hollow river
winged sun
U see how ur asking
How do i get notified
That part is why weakauras exist
So make one for all that ur gonna ask about later on
blazing pumice
imagine if the default wow ui was usable
winged sun
winged sun
imagine if the default wow ui was usable
Impossible to imagine
wide crown
imagine if the default wow ui was usable
Hasn’t been for 20 years.
wide crown
Won’t ever be unless they drastically reduce bloat and complexity or overhaul the UI customization to let us basically make our own class WAs and Plater profiles and I don’t see either happening tbh.
hollow river
i see more and more people dropping elvUI and using mostly default UI with just some WAs
yeah i agree
plater and weakauras are pretty invaluable for pve
wide crown
Issue with dropping elvui is I end up needing multiple addons to cover the gaps, bartender/dominos is basically mandatory.
blazing pumice
nelf
blazing pumice
if you're doing keys, if you're a raid nerd then maghar
wide crown
ShadowMeld is too good, especially for stealth when tanks chain pull like stupid.
ripe sphinx
whats makes maghar strong
hollow river
Issue with dropping elvui is I end up needing multiple addons to cover the gaps,...
well they aren't really mandatory, just depends on the aesthetic you want
hollow river
but elvui is a very heavy addon to be using comparatively
hurts performance more than anything else
ripe sphinx
can you meld to use invis abilities?
wide crown
well they aren't really mandatory, just depends on the aesthetic you want
I guess, I just find the default action bars not very usable.
wide crown
can you meld to use invis abilities?
No but you can meld to use stealth and then do ambush or whatever
hollow river
can you meld to use invis abilities?
you have to meld->stealth, which you can't do in boss fights
spice surge
can you meld to use invis abilities?
On bosses no, on trash you can often meld>stealth but not all the time
ripe sphinx
darn
spice surge
Its not nearly as good as it seems at first glance though
wide crown
hurts performance more than anything else
For me the performance hit is negligible
spice surge
For me the performance hit is negligible
Elvui is absolutely not negligible
ripe sphinx
gulp...
hollow river
For me the performance hit is negligible
yeh, recently i've noticed more people are getting rid of it because it hampers performance a lot in early expansion
ripe sphinx
whats wrong with elvui
wide crown
I have a 4090 and a 7800x3d
hollow river
it's just a very heavy addon for what it does
wide crown
Doesnt even give me 10 frames extra if i drop elv
hollow river
basically everything it does can be done by other, more lightweight addons
wide crown
I use very light settings though
spice surge
It just uses way too much memory/cpu compared to what it does, but if youre not struggling with frames its fine
wide crown
Portraits, smooth bars, etc can quickly nuke your setup
ripe sphinx
i cant find any ui addons that look as nice as my elvui 💔
hollow river
i cant find any ui addons that look as nice as my elvui 💔
SUF+bartender+masque is basically most of what you need
to make the majority of your UI look exactly the same as elv
wide crown
Its not nearly as good as it seems at first glance though
It’s just so nice to drop combat when the game bugs out or if you need to mount i feel spoiled with it. Other races never feel as convenient.
dapper thicket
just to confirm, in m+ when your beginning ruptures fall off, we apply the others manually to keep 5 up, correct?
west crown
balmy condor
Can confirm deleting elvui gave me back 25-30 frames
spice surge
Afaik its mostly their unit frames thats really bad
In terms of performance
The other parts aint great, but the frames is the biggest frame thief
crude helm
just turn off unit frames, were rogues
spice surge
Its typically good to see your own health and the boss health though
bright tartan
Elvui is my mortal enemy
shadow patio
@balmy condor yo what does the blue border mean on your weak aura for garrote
balmy condor
Improved garrote
shadow patio
Okay… and should it be reapplied or something
balmy condor
shadow patio
lol halp me
balmy condor
Well you want to apply it from stealth, cause it’s a very strong garrote
shadow patio
Okay
balmy condor
And then you don’t want to use a normal garrote to override it right
shadow patio
Ohhh
bright tartan
Because it’s improved
balmy condor
Yeh
balmy condor
Well you let it tick fully if you aren’t refreshing it with another improved garrote yeah
shadow patio
And if you do want to refresh it with another improved garrote
Just do it right before stealth ends?
Doesn’t matter what time is on the garrote that’s ticking?
golden loom
well in single target the only time you get to refresh improved garrote is when you vanish in the opener
the next cooldown sequence you wont have improved garrote up
shadow patio
Right
golden loom
so you just apply it once
shadow patio
Okay
Let me ask you guys this
At the start of a fight
Are you pressing garrote first?
golden loom
ambush -> garrote
red schooner
Trying to manage the deathstalkers mark thing on court progression is annoying.
Anubarash tunnels away pre-charge and darkest night is up? Well, guess I sit here for the time being or get stuck with the mark being on the other boss for god knows how long
drifting cloud
you got 50% to be lucky for the other boss to be on your side before 2nd transition
assuming youre playing as red
red schooner
assuming youre playing as red
Yeah, red. They trusted me with webs for some god forsaken reason
But ye trying to handle that on top of the dance on top of normal mechanics is stressing me out
drifting cloud
but yeah I fuck up 1st intermission way too often
and its even worse because we dont stop dps for it
(I dont know if people still do that or not)
red schooner
We ain't but we have a few issues with intermission survivability so we opt to just end it asap
No point holding for cooldowns and then losing 2 DPS. We're mostly working on phase 3 prog at the moment
Am I right in thinking for red team on court, it's keep mark on Anubarash until intermission then swap it to the other one then?
balmy condor
yeh
rotund oak
https://tenor.com/view/cat-bully-why-do-you-bully-me-gif-14134661
its a conductor issue
red schooner
Cheers. Need to figure out how to squeeze damage in on that fight but at the moment my main focus is getting the movements down
rotund oak
😂
red schooner
Never done mythic before and got kidnapped into a team, I am not cut out for this shit 
balmy condor
you've never done mythic before and they made you do court?
brother those aren't your friends
those are your biggest haters
red schooner
The old raid team fell apart from infighting or some shit and I was a social and they got me to help bolster the roster
I don't know what I'm doing and I have spent too long learning THIS GOD-DAMN FUCKING DANCE
balmy condor
"you've never done drugs before? Not even alcohol? Aw man yeah here's 3mg of fent, a bag of shrooms and a rusty heroin needle we bummed off a hobo, yeah you'll be fine don't worry mate, ITS FUN"
subtle tundra
by being on here and asking questions i can assure you youre better than 75% of them
subtle tundra
so youre an upgrade
rotund oak
more like hate target dummy
red schooner
But ye I'm out of my depth but I want to pull my weight at least
drifting cloud
where can I place a bet whispyr will continue to rant about court in 2030
drifting cloud
because ill win
red schooner
The dance isn't that bad I'm more annoyed at deathstalkers mark and target swapping
subtle tundra
and thats more than 5 years ago
subtle tundra
The dance isn't that bad I'm more annoyed at deathstalkers mark and target swapp...
shit spec. bizz hates us
royal lantern
if it was brought up
remember CN?
drifting cloud
I still bitch about painsmith
did your guild struggle that much on painsmith or?
subtle tundra
yea i definetly remember having to fucking play outlaw in raid
first and last time
fucking slg
red schooner
Also TBF they started me on princess which was an easier introduction
drifting cloud
balmy condor
have you not seen the clip ryler
glass raptor
Outlaw in raid gotta love it
red schooner
If I went straight into court I'd have fucking uninstalled
drifting cloud
maybe? I probably forgot
subtle tundra
im taking the bench over outlaw
happened couple of times
clever sapphire
The dance isn't that bad I'm more annoyed at deathstalkers mark and target swapp...
get into the red team, start on the charge guy, dont worry about target swaps
that was my solution
red schooner
get into the red team, start on the charge guy, dont worry about target swaps
That's my plan, focus on charge guy, keep dots on the other guy when I'm in range
drifting cloud
https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/FurtiveBloodyJellyfishNotLikeThis-x6qiCJVJ...
the lenghts people will go to to feel something
subtle tundra
idk man ive yet to play silken court and i never will
my guild has defaulted to benching me on it
glass raptor
You’re one lucky man Varas
balmy condor
the intermission wasn't hard
clever sapphire
That's my plan, focus on charge guy, keep dots on the other guy when I'm in rang...
ye it works pretty well tbh, and doing webs is whatever
clever sapphire
just make sure you get the mark off before intermission
drifting cloud
my guild has defaulted to benching me on it
noob
tawny geyser
Just save Vanish if you're scared of losing your Mark.
subtle tundra
You’re one lucky man Varas
i got put on it ONCE and made sure everyone knew i was gonna die on pull(i unequipped gear)
subtle tundra
(people still complained to HR)
drifting cloud
I think we have people that have done the fight as both colors, and also as melee and ranged
rotund oak
ppl cant walk
clever sapphire
Just save Vanish if you're scared of losing your Mark.
dont save vanish, the boss can smell fear and its gonna mess you up
red schooner
ye it works pretty well tbh, and doing webs is whatever
Yeah, webs is primary focus, but I want to carry my weight DPS wise as well so I need to figure that out more
glass raptor
i got put on it ONCE and made sure everyone knew i was gonna die on pull(i unequ...
Hahahaha - even tho I shadow stepped through other group while moving I’m getting first picked for it :’)
subtle tundra
balmy condor
we killed painsmith in like 220 pulls iirc
I think it took us 300
glass raptor
Yeah, webs is primary focus, but I want to carry my weight DPS wise as well so I...
Dps on court is a scam. Just play the mechanics and focus on movement and the boss will flop
drifting cloud
I think it took us 300
was it a different guild back then?
golden loom
if you were to hold vanish for mark on silken then you would probably run CT?
glass raptor
I think it took us 300
My old guild had 500+ it was a experience
clever sapphire
Yeah, webs is primary focus, but I want to carry my weight DPS wise as well so I...
just use cooldowns during the dmg amps and you should be good to go
rotund oak
I think it took us 300
we killed it a week after nerf iirc
red schooner
Dps on court is a scam. Just play the mechanics and focus on movement and the bo...
Yeah, mechanics first and then damage comes after
clever sapphire
atleast thats what im doing and its working out fine (we have only gone up till 2nd dispell mechanic thingy)
red schooner
Is my mindset ATM
balmy condor
was it a different guild back then?
no, same guild
just like
entirely different roster
red schooner
atleast thats what im doing and its working out fine (we have only gone up till ...
We somehow fluked into P3, nobody thought we'd get that far, it devolved into chaos
Cos we didn't plan at all
glass raptor
Yeah, mechanics first and then damage comes after
I’d suggest using timers from mrt then you can just focus on movement
drifting cloud
oh right, you had a different name
clever sapphire
We somehow fluked into P3, nobody thought we'd get that far, it devolved into ch...
we died on 2nd dispell because nobody soaked orbs so everyone just got 10 stacks
but we have an issue of people randomly dying and especially healers
red schooner
But ye what even is that fight Jesus Christ
clever sapphire
not a fun one i can say that much
red schooner
I’d suggest using timers from mrt then you can just focus on movement
Mrt timers?
clever sapphire
and we had 209 pulls on princess before
red schooner
The best bit of the fight is when a wipe is called, I have a macro to shadow step onto the GM
clever sapphire
i usually snipe our dh tank, we are playing the game of who snipes the other faster
subtle tundra
🙄
clever sapphire
gotta have fun somehow on that boss
glass raptor
Mrt timers?
Method raid tools has a “personal note” or even a timeline where you can add when you want to use your cds.
Helps me a ton, and lets me focus more on movement and just rotation until I hear “Deathmark in 5” then I’ll focus on my cds and we chillin
red schooner
Method raid tools has a “personal note” or even a timeline where you can add whe...
I'll give that a look, cheers!
runic hinge
Have you ever accidentally hit the macro without a wipe call
red schooner
Have you ever accidentally hit the macro without a wipe call
Nah, it ain't bound
And it's on an out of the way place to avoid accidental hits.
glass raptor
I'll give that a look, cheers!
I mainly use it during prog once we go on farm I’ve remembered my cd timings xd
clever sapphire
do you ever use cooldowns outside of a dmg amp on that boss?
red schooner
do you ever use cooldowns outside of a dmg amp on that boss?
Only when I zone out on pull and do my normal rotation
Pop deathmark and then curse muscle memory
clever sapphire
ye its pretty hard sometimes to not start a normal rota
glass raptor
I'll give that a look, cheers!
You can also use lorrgs.io to just copy paste other ppls cd timers - but be aware they might have different kill timers or other setups
clever sapphire
i started pressing one shiv on pull since its coming up anyways till the charge
glass raptor
do you ever use cooldowns outside of a dmg amp on that boss?
Yeah - last move you’ll want to send on “non amplified” boss due to the grip
glass raptor
Atleast our kill timer is so cursed that we get anub rooted into insta move and boss dies in 5-6 sec before my kb is fully stacked
red schooner
havent got there yet, thats an issue to worry about later
Same, we're on like a "80% make it out of phase 1 rate" at the moment
Phase 2 is death, we need work
clever sapphire
relatable
our ranges also like standing in places where they shouldnt
and get hit by things they shouldnt
like opposite colors
red schooner
Sometimes you just have to give the blue players a hug
sharp viper
Lorrgs is great for CD timings but gotta be aware of cheese logs and whether the logged player was blue or red
Blue can do slightly different timings
clever sapphire
Sometimes you just have to give the blue players a hug
ye, there have been far too many moments where all of the blue is already moved to a new spot and one random range decides to just stand in the middle of nowhere
and i just move with my group, and see randomly someone die because they didnt look if there was someone in the middle of nowhere
charred wraith
is there any point in desyncing GB mast trinket this week, using it outside of the deathmark since cdr bc of affix?
well its desynced by default, but i mean like using it only with kingsbane or high target count pull when death mark on cd
royal lantern
no
clever sapphire
this weeks affix does one thing, makes you use your head so you dont send DM without skardyns
or makes you use transmitter since that has a lower cd that would actually work better this week
subtle tundra
meow meow meow
clever sapphire
thats me lately, feral enjoyer (im not enjoying it because i have no gear so no invites to keys)
royal lantern
meow meow meow
varas got called a good boy once, and this is the result
brave stump
its like you pull the handbrake coming from firemage
strange python
wdym xD
brave stump
its combusition without skb and reducing combust cd
strange python
so its pretty full on
brave stump
you play the game every minute
strange python
on ass rogue? xD
brave stump
ye
strange python
well current fire mage
dense badger
I think once you get it it’s easy, slap dummies for an hour and you’ll get it
strange python
im never not playing the game
ive always wanted to get into rogue but sub turned me off in shadowlands
currently i start a pull and spend first 30 seconds staring at my action bar xD
dense badger
If you think enha is piss then sin rogue will be easy clap for you
brave stump
assa between cd's is pure 
dense badger
Even worse when you run out of energy
strange python
i find it peaceful
brave stump
ye i mean m+ assa is fine
dense badger
Just stood there auto’ing the boss like
subtle tundra
atleast youre self aware!
strange python
like bro
dense badger
Yeah st build reminds me of fury warrior ngl, aside from maintaining bleeds
brave stump
golden loom
raid assa is fun
dense badger
It looks a lot but it’s not bro trust
After that CD sequence you just press the same 3 buttons until you reapply a dot
dense badger
Yes
strange python
or just keep it up and spend on envenom
golden loom
you maintain it
strange python
ok
golden loom
its a bleed, not instant damage
strange python
alright
golden loom
so just keep it up perma and pump
dense badger
Get yourself a nice sexy WA to track all your bleeds pandemic windows and it’s gg ez
dense badger
You’re prepared
strange python
dense badger
You will thrive as an ass
strange python
ty
dense badger
Is that your own?
strange python
hell naw
dense badger
Kinda clean WA, me like
balmy condor
that's luxthos
golden loom
can remove slice and dice from there
dense badger
Changed my mind I don’t like anymore
balmy condor
I'd recognize that ugly ass fucking empty bars anywhere
strange python
xD
brave stump
if that isn't the diablo 4 guidewriter
balmy condor
tis
dense badger
Luxthos is a no u for me
strange python
cloud serpent is chronically online
subtle tundra
I'd recognize that ugly ass fucking empty bars anywhere
dont fuck with my goat
strange python
do i wanna have my bleeds up before deathmark
balmy condor
dont fuck with my goat
bro don't sass me I'm already 2.5cm deep in his colon
dense badger
do i wanna have my bleeds up before deathmark
Yis
strange python
oki
golden loom
do i wanna have my bleeds up before deathmark
bleeds + envenom buff
dense badger
Refer to that screenshot you sent in, is very helpful
golden loom
envenom buff is slice?
nah, poison application rate
royal lantern
if that isn't the diablo 4 guidewriter
but not writing diablo rogue guides smh my head
golden loom
envenom buff is slice?
balmy condor
90% of my work ain't even barb guides man
blazing pumice
VERY GOOD
golden loom
atleast u get to hear the best music in the game for 5 keys
brave stump
90% of my work ain't even barb guides man
did you do some theorycrafting how to save that game yet?
balmy condor
game is good
brave stump
I was always on the same boat
dense badger
He’s too busy working out how to save Assa in S2
balmy condor
I thought d4 was shit until I played poe2
balmy condor
and then I realized that poe2 is dogshit
royal lantern
did you do some theorycrafting how to save that game yet?
D4 is actually good for a good while now
most D4 hate is legit people that dont play it and just hate on it cus its not PoE (aka PoE fanboys), or people that didnt play it after launch
balmy condor
golden loom
flexing german language or?
balmy condor
like
royal lantern
an ye, poe2 is just not good
brave stump
WAIT
dense badger
Man I would love to see Whispyr in a roast competition or some shit
royal lantern
how much of that is afk idle/game running in the background btw
balmy condor
how much of that is afk idle/game running in the background btw <:kekdog:9072070...
I mean a bit but poe1 ate my gpu hard so I tried to turn it off
now maplestory.....
that shit is free
I just have that open constantly
that and factorio
those numbers mean nothing
yes 14,000 hours very legit
radiant raven
Never log off, imo
balmy condor
I close the game when I go to take a piss just to keep my steam metrics intact
golden loom
I had a bad pc before so couldnt have boht league and runescape open at the same time 
so now I don't have the habit
missed out on so much free grinding
radiant raven
WoW is just a pretty chat client most of the time.
balmy condor
maybe if you're an mplusser
radiant raven
only once a week
golden loom
so this is pretty low afk time
balmy condor
I cannot understand how mplussers sit in town and just stare at party finder
for hours
golden loom
FULLY LOCKED IN ON 20 YEAR OLD JAVA PIXELS 
balmy condor
fully locked in time to pay for ads
brave stump
I cannot understand how mplussers sit in town and just stare at party finder
Extra points for the total decline addon
balmy condor
need to buy the new mobile only with ads reduced afk time subscription
golden loom
fully locked in time to pay for ads
yeah some crazy shit, haven't played the past year tho so
balmy condor
golden loom
but thankfully the entire community got enraged and they backed out ASAP
radiant raven
I will never log off.
golden loom
you know a proposed update is bad when the CEO has to release a letter a couple days after 
balmy condor
yeh western game companies and bad decisions after 2020
classic duo
like sour cream and onion
or salt and vinegar
golden loom
well its not the game company per-say, its the private equity firm that bought it
fuck private equity
golden loom
ye I guess
balmy condor
oops all stockholders
golden loom
its kinda crazy tho, the last thing the previous owners did was warn the firm that this would happen if they tried some shit
but atleast it wont happen now
balmy condor
yeah but how else will the profit margin go up
balmy condor
but atleast it wont happen now
yeah surely
nowhere in that letter did they say that they're not doing it btw
they PR danced around it
golden loom
yeah but I think they do realize it will literally kill the game
feral mason
Any of yall know if that leaked 2026 roadmap is real?
seems odd for this to already exist right now
balmy condor
radiant raven
It's absolutely not real
balmy condor
you can't be serious right
balmy condor
that roadmap had all of midnight happening in a year
oak eagle
I'd recognize that ugly ass fucking empty bars anywhere
guys is it safe to say that whispyr doesnt like Luxthos weakaura very much?
balmy condor
and already announced the name of the 12.2 zone
subtle tundra
midyear more like
drifting cloud
Any of yall know if that leaked 2026 roadmap is real?
Do you wanna buy a bridge
subtle tundra
ceiling check. what does it say?
feral mason
im not terminally wow online anymore, copypasting the exact same content seemed real enough for blizzard nowadays
But ty
solar wyvern
Theres no way they do the entire expansion on the roadmap like that
Seems sus
Also naga allied race nice meme
oak eagle
wait is this the new WoWtwt drama? a roadmap for next year being leaked
strange python
does kingsbane need to line up with dmark at all
golden loom
in m+ you should deathmark next globlal kingsbane
in raid st you should deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane
strange python
in m+ you should deathmark next globlal kingsbane
what does this mean
golden loom
deathmark doubles ur poisons also so you ramp kingsbane very fast
golden loom
like the ability after deathmark should be kingsbane 😄
so you use them together
but you also use kingsbane every minute
it shouldnt get missmatched but lets say your deathmark is up and kingsbane is like 10 seconds on cooldown, then you should probably wait for it to come off cooldown
clever sapphire
wait for bane to deathmark
if possible use dm and kingsbane together (aka every 2 minutes)
so if used on CD you get a solo kb inbetween the dm casts
fallow basalt
Which ring is better, the craft one for 636 or the last boss one for 626?
rotund oak
I will never log off.
ive got alot but this is record breaking
2.2k days
its huge
radiant raven
dawn heath
I will never log off.
You better parse well with those hours
radiant raven
god no
rotund oak
my ponytails is on 728 days
2 years online
and im not even close onIG
ive got other rogues and characters that can match that much hours but on one character
its crazy
radiant raven
I idle a lot since WoW has such a tiny footprint and I like to post and chat.
subtle tundra
foot?
subtle tundra
aww so cute!
rotund oak
congrats,u just made me feel ancient
golden loom
17 days here
strange python
if possible use dm and kingsbane together (aka every 2 minutes)
does it matter which one i use first
dawn heath
Drake is calling
golden loom
and total on classic is I think 45 days or smthin
rotund oak
I idle a lot since WoW has such a tiny footprint and I like to post and chat.
statistics=>total honorable kills
golden loom
not a bad year
rotund oak
im curious
radiant raven
statistics=>total honorable kills
Oh, sure.
radiant raven
radiant raven
statistics=>total honorable kills
rotund oak
😅
rotund oak
my alliance rogue alone has 243k,total is 903.791 honorable kills
rotund oak
had 4 grand marshals/High warlord,was farming bgs like stupid
clever sapphire
does it matter which one i use first
you should always use dm first since it lasts longer and it doubles your poison applications during dm, and kb is all about applying as many poisons as possible
radiant raven
Nah, Cata.
radiant raven
If I'm home, I have WoW open 'cos it's a very low resource thing on low settings. And I just idle and chat and craft and stuff. It's nice to feel connected.
golden loom
So its 5161 days since cata released
radiant raven
haha, damn
golden loom
Based
radiant raven
Never log off
dawn seal
On kyveza
How cooked am I if I am stacked with a meele
On intermission
I have 2 people behind me and I am stacked with another melee
scarlet orbit
that pretty normal you are pretty much always with at least one more person its not bad
dawn seal
🤔
rough oyster
just talk it out with your budy who is a bit in front and who is in the back.. melee range is pretty good
rough oyster
yeah buut ranged arent
dawn seal
I mifgt be wrong
rough oyster
problem
dawn seal
Oka oka
rough oyster
they are far behind
dawn seal
I have healers right left gues it's okay
dawn seal
Ye
rough oyster
and last 10 sec you can pop evasion
rough oyster
yup thats the play.. you need few tries to get used to thah phase but when it click it gets pretty easy
dawn seal
Yeah
spice spire
np
bronze heath
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
spice spire
Do more dam
dawn seal
Ye
spice spire
final star
@midnight mist don't mdi/tgp characters have to contain the name you signed up with
so like fotm had to use fotm in all his names for ex.
midnight mist
my battle tag is zac
and my raiderio io alias is tomelvis
so i can use both
or at least thats how i interpret it
spice surge
BLIZZARD HATES HIM, USE THIS SIMPLE TRICK TO GET 2X AS MANY NAMES AVAILABLE IN TGP
gusty mirage
How do I beat a bm hunter on kyveza
kill them irl
midnight mist
wtf
ember mural
<a:peace_and_tranquility:1239951732163870821>
I miss solo
spice surge
Am i the asshole if i kill my friend so he cant do more damage than me in world of warcraft?
gusty mirage
I miss solo
just DM him?
gusty mirage
Am i the asshole if i kill my friend so he cant do more damage than me in world ...
no
ember mural
He deleted his account
gusty mirage
no he didn't
midnight mist
no he didnt
gusty mirage
ember mural
Oh I thought he did
gusty mirage
PROOFS IN THE PUDDING DARLING
golden loom
killing hunters irl might be the way to beat them on kyveza
midnight mist
he just left the server
gusty mirage
thank you b0yx
ember mural
PROOFS IN THE PUDDING DARLING
dawn seal
It's so cringe
gusty mirage
if you beat them IRL, that still counts
golden loom
just proc harder
gusty mirage
golden loom
massive crits on them (irl)
golden loom
yeah
dawn seal
I heard something like that from whispyr
Ph
Huge
I ran mandate with it
Unless magically I get a transmitter
dapper cradle
What’s your on use?
dapper cradle
As sin? No skardyn’s?
dapper cradle
Haha damn that’s prolly why you’re not beating your hunters
dawn seal
I beat them on ovinax
dapper cradle
Missing a stat on use for dm is huge
dapper cradle
Love me a big sac
dawn seal
While I had 626 mandate and contract on ovinax
golden loom
I know the feel of bad trinkets, my warrior is cooked in the trinket department 😦
dapper cradle
Rip
nova aspen
ive never seen those before in my life
golden loom
sucks being a burst class with no good on use kek
nova aspen
spice spire
I know the feel of bad trinkets, my warrior is cooked in the trinket department ...
Bruh
Go farm grim batol for your mark bozo
dapper cradle
That’s the kind of setup you have on a fresh 80
spice surge
Soon there wil be no more grimba
golden loom
That’s the kind of setup you have on a fresh 80
its kinda fresh
spice surge
No dungeon that has a trinket 85% of people want
spice spire
Skardyns gale and mark
nova aspen
when s1 pool was announced i was not looking forward to grim batol but now a days its not so bad 
spice spire
Boy needs a transmitter biblically tho
spice surge
when s1 pool was announced i was not looking forward to grim batol but now a day...
Siege is unironically pretty good too, despite concerns
dapper cradle
Can’t wait for no more pissmitter
golden loom
I stay away from m+ as much as I can
spice surge
And dawnbreaker slaps, i thought that was gonna suck too
nova aspen
yeah siege last boss rework was good
spice spire
And dawnbreaker slaps, i thought that was gonna suck too
That was my big surprise
royal lantern
And dawnbreaker slaps, i thought that was gonna suck too
dawnbreaker has the secret formular: its short
nova aspen
yea dawn feels like the maw of legion
spice spire
dawnbreaker has the secret formular: its short
The tuning is also decent
dapper cradle
We need a 45min + key
royal lantern
like, idk when blizz notices that 30min+ dungeons just suck
dapper cradle
Gimme a brd key
spice spire
We need a 45min + key
Top is next tier
spice surge
dawnbreaker has the secret formular: its short
Sure partly that, but its also got freehold energy with all the routes
spice spire
Also delete this nephew
golden loom
Boy needs a transmitter biblically tho
actually had one drop in a pug today, I tried to bargain with the guy that won it, a fucking elemental shaman
dapper cradle
Also delete this nephew
golden loom
but he said its super good (he had myth sacbrood and some myth furnance thingy)
and then he ignored my offer of 50k and logged out
spice surge
Necrotic wake can suck a fat one though, absolute dogshit dungeon
nova aspen
im tring to remember theatre of pain
royal lantern
ToP time
spice spire
Ran it on a 560 WW last night
royal lantern
you WILL enjoy it eleem
spice spire
And guess who got targeted with every single fucking circle
Kills through karma btw
spice surge
Last boss nw as assa 
gusty mirage
im tring to remember theatre of pain
TOP WAS GREAT
nova aspen
pain
gusty mirage
LOVED XAV