assassination

[dawn seal]

So cap iss increased today

[radiant raven]

You can do it tonight, too. When US reset happens, the quest goes live in the EU too.

[rotund oak]

later today,i dont think NA realms have reset yet

(later today as in for EU realms)

coz isle weeklies looks like tht follow a global reset following NA resets

[radiant raven]

It's like.. 4PM GMT or something

[spice spire]

You changed

[warm vortex]

I did

I got a haircut

Also a random muscle in my arm has been twitching for like the last 20 min

[spice spire]

[warm vortex]

It's most likeyl fine tbh

Rn im just doing dalies on the isle, barely played wow minus looging in every week to level profs

Still need some prof equpmnt made tho

And i don't do engineering and i got alot i can't make

But im like, scoially anxious as hell

So maybe ill level engineering just for prof stuff lols

[royal lantern]

the Worm wants to go out

[warm vortex]

I aint letting him

Also was just chilling on the isle, see some dude fall really fast infront of me. Just hear "hrng!". I look over at mans at 4% X)

[spice spire]

The sound I make when I’m at 4%

[subtle tundra]

Take it off

[warm vortex]

Alright tried

still twitching

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m about to take you off

[warm vortex]

😳

[radiant raven]

Have you politely asked it to stop twitching

[warm vortex]

Ye!

[radiant raven]

damn, well I'm out of ideas

[warm vortex]

I tried turning it off and on again

also might play sub as it's better than assa maybe

cause the shadowfust removal was nice

As long as it's still trickster it's fine

[radiant raven]

Purple power

[spice spire]

Sub players

[warm vortex]

i mean ill play whatevers better between assa and sub

Just not outlaw

[jade abyss]

Hey guys i have a question yesterday i was playing some 13+ /14+ nw with our pala tank, i got nuked from his "tempered in fire" or something and i dont know whatbi can to against it. In lower keys i never noticed it..

[royal lantern]

tempered in battle

🙂

fun game mechanics

enjoy sometimes losing 2milliom hp and then dying to unavoidable aoe dmg

[jade abyss]

Its mor instantly 50% hp on me..

[subtle tundra]

Yes get fucked

Welcome to m+

You won't enjoy your stay

[jade abyss]

So theres nothing i can do against it?

[subtle tundra]

No.

[jade abyss]

Sad

[subtle tundra]

You will die from it randomly

It won't kill you itself, but damage right after will

[jade abyss]

I ask bcs our ret gets nothing xD

[subtle tundra]

Idk how the targeting works on it

I've had days where I constantly get it

And days where I dont

Tank can manipulate it

Usually if there's a dk he should get it

[jade abyss]

Mostly it was the damage after it

Like flesh thrown or something

[subtle tundra]

It can't kill you

The mechanic is swapping your hp% with the tank

[jade abyss]

Its always tempered first and then comes the finishing blow from something else

Thanks for your help guys

[rotund oak]

happened to me as well,after a long session of taking care of myself

[warm vortex]

I've legit just been playing wow and it's still hapening X)

[rotund oak]

i was implying f@ppin but ok

😂

[valid leaf]

Playing wow

[warm vortex]

I know

I'm not THAT stupid

[royal lantern]

i am

[warm vortex]

Hence why i've said i've just been playing wow and not jorking

[rotund oak]

deranged pirate stuff

[warm vortex]

We know Tyran

[rotund oak]

ikik i just wanted to make it obvious coz it wasnt funny enough

and i failed

[valid leaf]

[rotund oak]

[valid leaf]

Why you bully me

All pirates are assasins until further tooningz

[rotund oak]

coz i still dont know ur of

[warm vortex]

I mean that's how you play classic wow

One hand on your groin one hand on the keyboard

because the rota can be played one handed
I mean some can in retial too

[radiant raven]

One of those sippy birds can play classic pretty well. The ones that rise and fall with weighted asses.

[royal lantern]

mate i can finish the fun bettwen sinister strike casts in classic

[golden loom]

nah you dont jork it in combat

u do it on flight paths

9 min flight to eastern plaguelands? say less

[royal lantern]

look at Mr.Endurance there

[radiant raven]

flight paths is time to get a snack

[royal lantern]

dont need to brag

[golden loom]

got time to clean my apartment aswell

[radiant raven]

gonna go cook lunch en route.

[valid leaf]

9 minutes and calls him mr endurance

[golden loom]

I spent more time on wow flight paths last year than on actual real life planes

[valid leaf]

I mean some of people never been on a plane

[warm vortex]

That's one way to pass the time with flight path

[golden loom]

yeah I didnt fly last year

[warm vortex]

You'd feel in heaven for like 4 seconsd by the end of it

so i guess the flight semi makes sense

[valid leaf]

DSM enjoyers

[royal lantern]

average PvP player

(and sick 2CP evisc)

[warm vortex]

Nono

that isn't the avarage pvp player

This is

[golden loom]

what do u mean 2 points

that guy has premed

[valid leaf]

Psure he sent evis to ball on the guy

[golden loom]

is he trying to do female undead evis animation aswell

lil flip

[valid leaf]

Bro doing flips at home

[subtle tundra]

Olympic level performance

[valid leaf]

Blud if thats olympic
Valhalla awaits me

[rotund oak]

skydaddy watching u

[rotund oak]

looks like felhammer

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/blO1c.gif

[gentle forge]

Does the Deathmark dots ONLY stay on the target as long as DM is active or do they linger after?

[earnest remnant]

only while its up

[gentle forge]

ok so dmg wise i guess its better to dot someone and THEN activate DM or am i in the wrong (new here .. )?

[earnest remnant]

yes you would have dots up beforehand

[gentle forge]

great thx!

[dapper cradle]

what's finery gonna be at this week?

[winged sun]

guys guys

oxi wants to talk here

so

in return

we're labeling this as outlaw channel

and outlaw is assassination chat

just for today

ok

everyone agree?

good

[nova aspen]

[pure moth]

Hard disagree

[spice spire]

Too late I’ve infected the chat

[feral merlin]

hey guys, do we have to swap to sub for NW last boss? or how do you kill the add? I'm talking NW16+

[pure moth]

Nooo

[pure moth]

Save 2 charges of vanish and use vanish to stop yourself from going down. And hope you don't get it again

[feral merlin]

this is not a reliable way to do it... I would say save 2 vanish and vanish each time I come down, but killing the add doesn't even refresh the deathstalker mark in my memories, so I can't DPS the boss anymore (no mark on him)

am I btw, the only one who hates that necro mark? What a stupid hero talent -_-

[elder kiln]

ye it can get quite clunky at times, i've had some struggle on last boss of DB aswell

[spice spire]

If you don’t have that, sub can be the best for it

Usually if you swap sub it’s the last two

[elder kiln]

I've tried respeccin sub but success was meh, i'm considering just respeccing ST for the 2 last bossess of nw

[feral merlin]

yeah I know, my gear for sub is so bad tho

[elder kiln]

*assa st

to at least alleviate some energy starvation

[feral merlin]

yeah assa ST is something I would like to try

but we would still have problems for adds on the last boss I think

maybe drop deathstalker, I need to try this

[proven jasper]

[spice surge]

If you put in the time to learn how to play sub youll do more regardless of gear on those than with assa st talents

Stats dont matter much, ig if you dont have transmitter it might be rough

[uneven plume]

Respec to cleaver.

[iron carbon]

Guys, I need help on Silken Court, I feel like I dps as a overcooked noodle. Any generic tips? I'm blue team btw.

[shy axle]

is the opener the same between trickster and ds?

[spice spire]

Vanish logic is a little different and you don’t have to ambush

[shy axle]

❤️

[ancient tangle]

sudden demise is better than twist the knife for 10 keys ?

[nova aspen]

either works

[wise whale]

God I love cock

[ember mural]

[nova aspen]

cock guy is back

[proven jasper]

Bro’s dinner tonight

[gusty mirage]

@verbal mantle

[ancient tangle]

oh they are equals ?

[nova aspen]

in a 10 probably

in a 5, demise is better

in a 15, ttk is better

[spice spire]

I just like sudden more

In the end

Nothing matters

So pick whatever

[nova aspen]

sin tree giga balanced ye

[spice spire]

Idk if I’d go there

But spec plays itself. Doesn’t matter what you do

[nova aspen]

i would if there are 100+ viable builds

which there are

[spice spire]

That’s more design of the mini game and the variables that enter the equation

There’s a best simming build but sims aren’t quite reality for mini game content

Because there’s 8000000 variables

[jolly heath]

Yeah I play Zoldyck and Sudden Demise even in 17s, in the end, it doesn’t even matter

[nova aspen]

probably the only choice that matters is iron wire

no?

[spice surge]

Brother its supposed to be "It doesnt even matter"

Gotta stick to the script

[verbal mantle]

me love some good cock bouillon

[wise whale]

God I love cock

[royal lantern]

meanwhile in the evoker discord:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1331307694514241557/lol.png?ex=67912468&is=678fd2e8&hm=58695e7a2fdd8071e2c4f5bc6f6dc1fed36fd07a9b2b66f2c75451012b83b994&

smartest aug player

[spice surge]

The swedish word for chef is kock (pronounced exactly the same as with a C in english)

[verbal mantle]

[wise whale]

God I love kock

[verbal mantle]

very good svedish lore

[maiden sierra]

whats the ilvl range for next season?

[proven jasper]

Make sure u kiss the kock

[nova aspen]

dropping ebon might as aug

[spice surge]

+39 compared to now

So max mythic is 678

[maiden sierra]

full bis mythic?

[proven jasper]

Lemme drop like the entire reason im even brought to keys

[gusty mirage]

you offering?

[maiden sierra]

so cyrclet stays for all of heroic

[proven jasper]

For you i could be

[spice surge]

Thats their goal ye

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

mb mb

[royal lantern]

you mean the main ability

its like playing assa and not using envenom

[nova aspen]

id say its even worse than that

aug evoker should be renamed to ebon might evoker

[proven jasper]

[spice surge]

Its about the same

Ebon might is like 20-25% of their damage

[nova aspen]

it deals damage?

[spice surge]

But obviously a lot of other shit wont work without it

[nova aspen]

or do u mean thats the augmented contribution

[spice surge]

So its more like skipping ruptures and garrote

[next thorn]

hey, is anyone able to help me out to figure out why im parsing so bad in raids?

[spice spire]

Sure post log

[runic hinge]

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy valley]

When it comes to vault, an improved weapon is better over a tier item? Even if you don't have 4pc?

[vagrant brook]

imo yes because you can easily get tier items from the catalyst

[spice spire]

^

[atomic relic]

can anyone tell me how human passive racial work? for secondery stats?

[soft surge]

:misery: https://i.imgur.com/xlqkLUu.png

no upgrade in 15 months

bis chest that isnt even an upgrade over tier or gayglass :misery:

@balmy condor help

15 long months and no mythic dawnbreaker crystal

[spice surge]

Its barely even an upgrade over spyglass

[golden loom]

lets say something gives 100 mastery, as human you would gain 102

[soft surge]

why does spyglass not sim well over ara sac

would spyglasss be better than sac when theres adds like queen or broodtwisster

[golden loom]

do you mean the -0,3%?

cause they seem pretty identical going from that

[soft surge]

that was a patchwork sim

chest def better in m+ but idk i see rogues using a spyglass but maybe they dont have a sac

i jsut want a frickingh crytal to solve all my problems

[golden loom]

I mean if you have skadryns + whichever of those its probably fine

[soft surge]

ya

thankful for myth track skardyns

just thought id have a crystal by now doing 8 dungeons every week

but for now dono if i go with chest or spyglass

[unborn sable]

is there a website where i can make my rotation' like the Icon's in a order so i can see them to practice my rotation

[soft surge]

details streamer plugin

[unborn sable]

is that a addon ?

the streamer plugin

[soft surge]

part of detailss

[unborn sable]

i have details

[soft surge]

comes with the pack https://i.imgur.com/6OFoRyg.png

i dont use it but it should come with it

[unborn sable]

i got it activated it and setup

[serene solar]

YESSSS

[unborn sable]

i was wondering if there was a way to just set it up infront me to, then beable to see it better,

my rotation

kinda like what they do on the wow head guide how they have the rotations maped out

[spice spire]

Took you long enough 😛

[spice spire]

Hekili is technically supported for us which is more of what you’re aiming for I think?

[soft surge]

yea for ST sin rogue hekili is very accurate

[serene solar]

Brother, I get BONED for loot every week. 😦 I have taken the merits to trade for gold since I have nothing left to gem. xD

[soft surge]

gz skardyns is big

[lament basin]

have someone a NICE m+ talent build ? my dmg in m+ is shit

[unborn sable]

@soft surgeyes i get made fun of for using Hekili so i am trying to learn it on my own 😦

[soft surge]

very controversial funu

[spice spire]

I still need slots but outside of touching mythic I’m missing a second trinket or the mists neck and I’m done for the season

[soft surge]

just dont tell people you use it. hekili is well known to be close to perfect for patchwork fights

[lament basin]

ill tried from best one, from wowhead ...

[spice spire]

They can kick rocks. It’s fine for st, very helpful since implemented

[lament basin]

nothing works rly good

[serene solar]

I wanted transmitter (since I play sub a lot too) but I have no way to go for it now that we are on prog. So this is the most exciting thing I could have seen

[soft surge]

whats the wowhead one these days

[spice spire]

[soft surge]

lmaooo

wowhead hasnt got sanguine blades

[spice spire]

Same setup I’m literally just missing the trinket

[soft surge]

come on man @balmy condor

[spice spire]

Yeah it prioritizes MA

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/UXePAwh.jpeg use this @lament basin

[spice spire]

To get wire

[soft surge]

sb should be in every build

[spice spire]

Do not use that build

[soft surge]

this is your ironwire grim batol build https://i.imgur.com/iAv593t.jpeg

[spice spire]

Iron wire is much better for pugs than sb

Also sd buffs bleeds unconditionally + execute with 0 drawback st

?

[soft surge]

ok so drop tkt for iw then

[lament basin]

so thats for all dungeon?

[soft surge]

brother sb is like 5%+ dmg

[spice spire]

Yeah and If your tank dies who cares lmfao

Damage is gone

[soft surge]

i know whyisper hates m+ and all that but cmon

[spice spire]

Doesn’t matter

[soft surge]

this guy is asking about dmg not tanks

[spice spire]

Sb isn’t the end all be all.
It’s not even great

[soft surge]

it is absolutely mandatory for dmg in m+

[spice spire]

It is absolutely not

[soft surge]

his tank could be a geared prot pala

[lament basin]

so ur first skillung are rly good?

[spice spire]

Or it could be a 580 dh

[soft surge]

yea we dont know

[spice spire]

If you’re pugging

That’s bad info

[soft surge]

so generally u go for big dammies

[spice spire]

That’s why it’s generally not recommended and you take IW

If you have a full group with 500 stops

Sure

[soft surge]

imagine picking up a class and using that build doing no dmg then just rerolling

is that what whusper wants

[spice spire]

But the general Andy coming in asking is a pug

[soft surge]

who should be recommended the biggest dammie build to have fun and feel good

[spice spire]

Doing no damage, dog what?

[soft surge]

then after that if he wants ironwire tech he can get it

[spice spire]

Or the best build to time keys?

Like you get cast on

And die

[soft surge]

ironwire is the best build for 1 maybe 2 keys

[spice spire]

You’re not having fun?

[soft surge]

out of 8

[spice spire]

It’s the best for 6-7/8

It’s not just the silence

Like I drop it for Mists

That’s it

[soft surge]

random db 13 vault key last night https://i.imgur.com/OMrOgIF.png

imagine i took some wowhead slop over sang blades

tbh idc if i get banned that wowhead build is a joke

[spice spire]

The joke here is this absolute atrocious idea that sanguine is raw 5%.
You’re taking another talent for ST (ttk) just to offset the ST with SB, which lowers your envenom overall if it ever triggers ST. I’m just confused with the logic of “build is slop” when it’s literally designed for people new and who don’t understand the spec

Which honestly may be something you should look into here

[soft surge]

no one fucking uses ironwire unless its high level gb or nw

pre 11.0.5 yes ironwire was bis

prot pallys have made it mostly useless

[spice surge]

Well the main thing

Is that now you lose like 4-5% dps

instead of 0.5-1%

to take it

[soft surge]

yea

[spice spire]

Prot pallys aren’t every key

[soft surge]

and this young rogue is asking about what build, he says wowhead build

[spice surge]

[subtle tundra]

imagine doing 13s and thinking you understand the talents

[soft surge]

thats not the point

the point is sb is raw dmg which is what everyone trying out a new spec wants to see

[spice spire]

They aren’t in NA man

[subtle tundra]

those people wont have caustic uptime, use kb 10 times in 30 minutes, not get mark up

they are a word i cant say

cause filter

[spice spire]

Nah someone who’s playing a new spec should learn it, the damage comes. A good player isn’t a funneler who does big dam.

A good player is a player who can do the content and do the dam

[soft surge]

im not even gunna entertain these ad homins becasue its well known whysiper hates mythic+ so theres just no point

[subtle tundra]

he hates m+ players

idk about m+

[spice spire]

Lil bro literally ran m+ last week with me, had a blast. Chill time

[soft surge]

in a 10

whisper is quoted to not have done higher than a 10

[subtle tundra]

idk doing 10 first week is harder than 13-14 rn

with 639

[soft surge]

i do close to 25 keys a week

[subtle tundra]

its all relative

[soft surge]

yea

and raw damage is relative to the young rogues question

[spice surge]

First week first tier is especially rough

[subtle tundra]

someone who pushed first few weeks and then stopped might have done harder keys than you did the whole season

[soft surge]

not some niche talent and mutant wowhead build

[subtle tundra]

SD is not niche

sudden demise is actually really strong

[soft surge]

sd is good

no doubt about that

i use it in ara stuff

even then its no more than like 3% dmg

nothing on sanguine blades

[spice surge]

Its also like 4% damage

[subtle tundra]

wdym nothing

[spice surge]

Because it amps your bleeds

[subtle tundra]

also its really good for new players cause they will do piss content

[soft surge]

whatever

[fallow canopy]

and no downside 🙂

[subtle tundra]

where the execute is good

[soft surge]

i just cant even after seeing that wowhead build

[subtle tundra]

idk what your argument is

[soft surge]

ban me

[subtle tundra]

the worse player -> the lower content -> sd is better

youre just mad

[spice spire]

The wowhead build is the same build with sd over sb and iron wire over ttk

[soft surge]

my arguement is the wowhead build will ultimatly push rogues away therefore getting less atraction from devs and leaving the spec stagnate

[spice spire]

Which is objectively noob friendly

[bronze marsh]

lmao

what

[subtle tundra]

also it has an actual effect that people might notice

oh this mob has 1mil health

[spice spire]

Dog you’re off the za

[subtle tundra]

and it just died

why

oh cool i have an execute

[soft surge]

less people playing rogue cos of shit wowhead builds

[bronze marsh]

molten lava take

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?!?!

[spice surge]

Its not shit

Its perfectly fine

[soft surge]

where do u first go when picking up a new spec?

[hollow river]

[soft surge]

wowhead

[subtle tundra]

maybe youre shit

[fallow canopy]

another banger from the "devs don't deserve days off near christmas days" guy

[spice spire]

Real

[subtle tundra]

shit ass opinion!

[spice surge]

Ye and youre dead wrong because theres nothing wrong with the wowhead build

[soft surge]

i wouldnt dare test that buil

[spice surge]

?

[soft surge]

maybe in a +5 or something

[spice spire]

Dog

It’s almost the same exact build

[spice surge]

Are you high?

[spice spire]

Two talents are different

[soft surge]

it doesnt have sanguine blades - free damage

[spice spire]

It’s literally not

[subtle tundra]

free dmg? it literally has a cost

[spice spire]

Sd literally is

What are we on

[subtle tundra]

its opposite of what you said

[spice spire]

?

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/fHCT8CH.png this is a +2 to +5 build

[coral ibex]

more banger posts from lightz let’s goooo

[spice surge]

Idk youre just literally wrong

[fallow canopy]

considering last interactions maybe assume that this guy is just a troll?

[subtle tundra]

ok in the troll category

[spice surge]

Nothing else to talk about

[coral ibex]

wowhead guides are for people who do that key level

[soft surge]

oh

[coral ibex]

it’s that simple

[soft surge]

ok then

[spice surge]

Its not only for that no

[subtle tundra]

the people who do +15s also usually do a bit more research than open wowhead

[coral ibex]

if you can do more than that you can figure out the talent tree

idk how that’s hard to figure out

[subtle tundra]

i dont cause im a gamer, read my name

[spice surge]

People are def overglazing ttk as well

[soft surge]

this is for the new to rogue players

[subtle tundra]

the new rogue players will read ttk and have a stroke

[soft surge]

obs we look further into other sources and test ourself

im advoacting for the new rogue who wants to pump

he is not pumping without sb

and thats final

[spice surge]

Sure can pump without it

[subtle tundra]

youre not advocating shit

[bronze marsh]

assuming they're actively not spamming their energy away and getting no value from sb

[subtle tundra]

bet you think IC is a good talent for assa

[soft surge]

energy is infinite in mythic + trach packs

[bronze marsh]

assuming you're handling bleeds properly, which not every 'young rogue' does

[spice surge]

Ye and it does literally nothing on ST

Just like ttk does almost nothing on aoe

Its all just very close, its not griefing to not take any of them

[coral ibex]

new rogues wonder why they have no energy against bosses and sb doubles down on having no energy in ST

https://tenor.com/view/conner-o'malley-conner-o'malley-conner-omalley-dance-gif-420019389788161156

[soft surge]

the man said his dmg is low, he will get more dmg doing the same rotation albeit wrong or right with sb

[spice surge]

No

[soft surge]

if hes playing rogue wrong sb will do more dmg

[bronze marsh]

uhh

what

[soft surge]

are you dumb or just cant argue @bronze marsh

[spice surge]

Idk youre just factually wrong

Idk why you keep yapping

Time to cut it

[bronze marsh]

nah just your premise is wrong

[soft surge]

im factuallly wrong that everyone uses sb?

[gentle rover]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn-mouse-yum-yum-delicious-gif-15877432887457947334

[soft surge]

in mythic+

[subtle tundra]

idk buddy

youre just

[soft surge]

yes or no

[spice surge]

No

[subtle tundra]

it is wrong

[soft surge]

so what am i wrong about

[subtle tundra]

idk man

whispyr shouldve been here

so he could mute you

[soft surge]

muhh whus[yr

[golden loom]

I only do weekly 10s or maybe 11s and use this 90% of the time

[subtle tundra]

cause he is over this bs most likely

[soft surge]

whyispyrr plsss haaalp

yea ban me

[spice spire]

He is

[subtle tundra]

bro youre just a fucking cockroach

at this point

like

[fallow canopy]

according to him your opinion is invalid since you don't do... 12+

[golden loom]

raid is better content anyways fuck M+

[subtle tundra]

idk when i troll i get fucked in the ass

[soft surge]

and you suck off whyspur

[subtle tundra]

i dont

[soft surge]

you do

[subtle tundra]

i just wanted a mod to deal with you

i argue with him all the time

[soft surge]

MUUUHHHDDDSS

HAAAALP

[spice surge]

Time to stop

[soft surge]

MAWWWDS

[spice spire]

Idk man someone who didn’t understand how to do rashanan 2 months ago trying to explain why sb is raw and sd is dogshit is kind of a wild arc

[fallow canopy]

preach but can understand m+ players its just people like this guy that give them a bad rep

[soft surge]

i raid and m+

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

wr?

rio?

[soft surge]

i dont use sb ever in raid

[spice spire]

And had to be told to use ST build on rash

[fallow canopy]

truly an absolute cinema arc

[true rapids]

shoe size? 401k? mothers maiden name?

[golden loom]

why not? its free damage

[soft surge]

not in raid it isnt

[golden loom]

wdym

I heard in this discord that its a free 5% damage

[soft surge]

the young rogue asked about m+ so dont even try that

[golden loom]

are u lying on the internet

[spice surge]

Lads its time to move on

or ill move you on

[subtle tundra]

im in grimba... i have to...

[spice spire]

Good luck king

[soft surge]

people arent playing this game just to raid anymore. this game is kept alive by m+ and alts. i know wowhead is raid centric but get with the times

literally wtf would anyone do if not m+

[spice spire]

Wowhead is all content centric

[soft surge]

itd be dead in the water

[spice spire]

Live their lives touch grass idk

[fallow canopy]

revolutionary idea yk

[soft surge]

well yea thats a good thing

but as for the game - dead

[runic hinge]

wowhead is for people who google m+ build

why would you not recommend SD and iron wire

[soft surge]

which most new to class players do right

[vagrant brook]

I'm happy raid logging and spamming 4 dawnbreakers with forced induction and no sb for weekly vault

[soft surge]

i dont not recommend sd

never mentioned sd being bad, its good

[runic hinge]

Okay then quit yapping

[soft surge]

sb is mandatory in m+ tho

[jolly heath]

Tbh for low keys like <12, I think zoldyck and SD rule, everything just die too fast

[runic hinge]

it isn't

[soft surge]

it is

[runic hinge]

I don't think you know the definition of mandatory

[spice spire]

Please end it

[soft surge]

MAWWWDS

[spice surge]

!mute @soft surge Ye here you go, take a lil break and reconsider what youre posting here

[balmy condor]

^ and for visibility @soft surge next time it's a ban

[vagrant brook]

[nova python]

what was he yapping about?

[cerulean walrus]

Some cringe

Anyway

[balmy condor]

idk I'm not hitting 95 show message spoilers on blocked messages

[runic hinge]

[gentle rover]

Can I steal 15 minutes of your time to tell you about our M+ lord and savior SB

[balmy condor]

but based on the half of the convo I read he's just yapping nonsense and tripling down when people who actually understand the spec tell him he's wrong

[nova python]

nvm i just saw some gb build he posted, no need to look further

[balmy condor]

which is classic lightz behavior

[dapper cradle]

guys who do I have no energy on single target!!!!!!

(specced into sanguine blades btw)

[spice spire]

It’s done

You missed the party

[obtuse cedar]

hey is there anything i could swap to gain a bit of ST dmg while not completly changing build? iron wire for MA would be my first guess but does it make any sense to remove sudden demise for ttk for example?

wait sudden demise is 10% bleed dmg, prolly not worth it I guess

[spice spire]

If you’re looking for damage while keeping iron wire, probably swap ma and sb.

In st m+ we’re a burst spec and that adds to our burst dam

[obtuse cedar]

serrated bone spike?

[waxen oyster]

sanguine blades does like fuckall in st

[obtuse cedar]

oh ye sanguine blades

might try, ty!

will try I mean

[waxen oyster]

I mean sin is also just not a good st spec

in m+ builds

[obtuse cedar]

just messing around in 10s, it is highly annoying to have such dumpster ST using this build

and I dont feel liking shifting into a more KB oriented build in that key range

[waxen oyster]

Should be fine in 10s with how fast stuff dies.

[spice surge]

My favourite low key (hehe) build is to stupidly overcommit to big sudden demise procs

No KB; arterial precision and just pop bosses from 20M with deathmark (this is not good, but its fun)

[obtuse cedar]

well from my feeling half my KBs just get wasted with 5 sec remaining on packs

some keys are alright for KB build but usually running mostly premade with geared characters

doesnt really enable a KB playstyle

(even though id prefer to play over the current build which just feels underwhelming in some situations)

[waxen oyster]

Just do NW

or mists

[waxen oyster]

I like when people say SD damage is mid

[obtuse cedar]

ye NW arakara mists are all fine ish

[waxen oyster]

While forgetting it gives 10% to all bleeds

[obtuse cedar]

but rest just gets giga clapped

[waxen oyster]

That's just the downside of doing 10 keys this late.

[spice spire]

Word on the street is that SD is dogshit and SB is mandatory

[waxen oyster]

When people's poop alts are over 635

[spice spire]

Damn

[obtuse cedar]

ye cant really complain tbh

[waxen oyster]

I tested for science

my alt is 635

with 2 keys done all season

[spice spire]

Filthy dh tho

[waxen oyster]

I mean the worst part about that

is same dev

so same afk attention

[spice spire]

Not afk as much as overwork

[waxen oyster]

Is it?

classes like sham get more

Also I'm slightly enjoying bdk, send help

[bronze pike]

ive missed it

[spice spire]

You did

They were cooking

It was fried

[waxen oyster]

I hate m+

[spice spire]

Idm it

[runic hinge]

I mind the brain rot it causes that then gets spewed in this channel

[blazing pumice]

m+ is the real game

raid is like pet battles

[radiant raven]

There's no game in WoW like PvP. And by PvP I mean trade chat.

[bronze pike]

[spice spire]

Lil bro made me wanna hear a remby cook

Fr

[keen spruce]

i'm finally free

[hollow river]

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[bronze pike]

damn that bad

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Casual btw

[keen spruce]

plenty of us casuals

have gotten myth skardyn's sir

in fact, i'm so casual it took me until this late in the season to find one

[sullen phoenix]

idd i got it on fresh 80 did one 10 and got in vault on hunter..

no on rogue tho

[runic hinge]

Free to do even more keys?

[whole snow]

someone told me its a good idea to macro thistle tea to shiv

good advice? or no

[balmy condor]

yes

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[whole snow]

neat ty!

are there any other good ass macros

other than deathmark+trinket/pot

[balmy condor]

no

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

Keys fun. Spec blasts

[spice spire]

Yet you’re playing sub in keys

Curious!

[runic hinge]

I haven’t yet but I got my last portal today so it’s on

I’ve done one sub key. It was an SB 8

3 weeks ago

[spice spire]

Let’s fucking go tony

That autocorrect was tragic I’m sorry king

[runic hinge]

No worries.

I also carried my friends rat dh through it

He got a spyglass

[brave comet]

in mythic queen, during phase 2. do i just eat dick and let everyone pass me in the damage meter. what do you guys do to keep up

[runic hinge]

[brave comet]

the warriors are destroying the spiders getting their numbers insanely up

i cant always pad my dmg on them on the ramp

[spice spire]

Bro almost every key I do is carrying a rat these days

[rotund oak]

congrats fam,u can be happy for the next month before next patch

[spice spire]

We timed a 10 lists with a 580 dh and 576 disc priest

[fallow canopy]

just contemplate life during those moments and enlighten yourself and clap them back on p3

[past bobcat]

Run CT and laugh aswell

[misty bough]

where tf is zek'virs lair lol

did htey remove it?

[warm vortex]

Anyone else having an issue?
Like rn when i log onto an alt the camera turns slower with the a and d keys

weird af

[warm vortex]

You could time a 10 mists with like

[somber sparrow]

I just did one +10 last week (no other M+ I'm lazy) and got skardyn's grace mythic in my vault as well!! I'm so relieved.

[warm vortex]

1 and a half dps

[spice spire]

Healer and tank tho

It was lore them living

More*

[warm vortex]

Fair ig

i mean i haven't touched M+ in a while

Got to 3K and just called it there X)

Also good news quake

My arm isn't twitching anymore X)

[spice spire]

Proud of you homie

Glad you’re better

[warm vortex]

Yea

Somehow my Holiday is still here

not back to uni until next week

[wispy moss]

if i have a DSM envenom ready does that take prio over any other ability even over reaplying bleeds?

[keen spruce]

The most important weeks

“Whatchu pushin buuud”

[coral ibex]

hopecore grom is peak

https://d.fixupx.com/AceanFronk/status/1860509763714339074

[balmy condor]

yes

[vague raft]

does this mean DN?

Darkest Night?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vague raft]

ty

[warm vortex]

Yo it's the man himself

Whosper

[rotund oak]

for your OF

waht else

[warm vortex]

(Yes i still ave this saved because i find it funny)

[vague raft]

!macro

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[vague raft]

KB with tea macro or Shiv one better?

[warm vortex]

Shiv with tea if im not mistaken

Haven't played in a while but i don't see a reason to run it with KB?
Again if im wrong, someone else will say

But i don't think the spec has changed since i last played it

[hallow pelican]

Shiv because ur already doing it for the KB window on both ends

[warm vortex]

Also

I can imagine some people here have been playing since week 1 and haven't gotten grace mythic yet

Tbh at tihs point you can just get transmitter instead Ig

[hallow pelican]

i got champ week 1... week 2 i saw people posting 2400 io req so I gave the rest of the season the middle finger and saved my sanity

[warm vortex]

Tbh i don't blame you

People hated this season in general

I got 3K and dipped

Next season imma prolly go for all 12s on both my assa/sub (whatever one is better) and BM

[hallow pelican]

i hated the people in this season ... and then it made me realize M+ is just terrible in general and designed around their shitty tournaments because people at blizz cant give up on esports

[warm vortex]

Tbh im just better that wow balance is better than Hearthstone balance
I'm not saying wow balance is good, just heartstones is

So

SOSO

so much worse

[hallow pelican]

we can both agree that blizz stugg in general is bad

[willow eagle]

Historically that's not true

If your talking recent balance then maybe

[hallow pelican]

*balance ... i dont know what stugg is ....

[warm vortex]

Bro they nerfed demon seed like 15+ times or something and it's still tier 2 at worst in wild XD

[willow eagle]

Wild is always imbalanced

Not a good gamemode to compare

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/goon-goon-sesh-mike-ermantraut-breaking-bad-gif-15296391530287311065

[misty bough]

haha, i boosted a friend in ulgrax normal since he wanted vault, if i had a real team id have rank 1 log by a long shot, god damn that ambush & crit rng was on my side https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38?boss=2902&difficulty=3&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

everyone got their 30-35sec fights, mine was like 1:22 xd

[balmy condor]

I mean your fight would've had to have been under 30 seconds to get r1

idk how reasonable that is

you lose like 400k dps going from 30 seconds to 40 seconds

[keen spruce]

You haven’t found it yet?

[runic hinge]

[dreamy rover]

hey whospor

should assas be rocking the legendary citrine gem on the ring

or windsinger?

[runic hinge]

from pins

[dreamy rover]

sorry for the dumb question, and thank you very much

also i'd like to ask, why whyspr's M+ build in wowhead runs iron wire instead of sanguine blades

i get the point of it being really great util, but isnt it a big enough dps loss for it to not be worth it?

specially when its only useful when you vanish or first 5 secs in packs

[balmy condor]

unless you're pushing like 16's there's no point in min maxing damage that hard, most wipes in pugs and unorganized groups will come from wipes against missed interrupts and bosses

sanguine blades does 0 single target and iron wire provides the protection on trash

allows for easier grouping up as well and easier starts of pulls while the tank is vulnerable

with the DR

especially in situations where you don't have a prot paladin

[dreamy rover]

thats very fair

my monkey brain says: more dps plz

[balmy condor]

yah well

[dreamy rover]

but your point is 💯

[balmy condor]

that's what a lot of top m+ players are doing these days as well

but they also don't miss kicks and won't run a key without a prot paladin who will do 90% of the interrupts passively

[dreamy rover]

yhea

my pugs are messy, for sure i'll be running iron wire

[wind nimbus]

Can anyone explain if i want to keep my ovinax egg at 20/10 stacks or 10/20?

cant seem to find much about it

[balmy condor]

20/10

[wind nimbus]

Thought so, thank you

[keen spruce]

I didn’t swap off wire in some dungeons until 16s. You can basically solo carry stops on most packs with wire before that and it just alleviates so much stress from groups

[dreamy rover]

I'll be running it from now on

[dapper cradle]

i run iron wire but only press ambush in subterfuge

[dreamy rover]

The low dps gain sanguine blades give are worth nothing when I get 2 casts on me and fucking just die

[keen spruce]

Ye I don’t think I’ve seen a key fail purely on timer below a 17 or 18 all season. Pretty much everything is “don’t die win key”

And tbh, the higher dmg builds aren’t like juicing your overall by 20% or anything

We’re talking about a couple of % and a bit of placebo lol

[runic hinge]

no sanguine blades is mandatory and not taking it will brick every key you ever do, and also sudden demise is useless and so is iron wire

[royal lantern]

espacialy the "boss dmg builds"

no, you wont suddenly do giga boss dmg lol

you go from bad boss dmg, to bad boss dmg that is 1,3% higher

[runic hinge]

I feel like i would like running super charger but like not having subterfuge would feel so bad

[keen spruce]

Wait but I take SB and SD

[dapper cradle]

mutilate should give supercharger stacks fr fr

[keen spruce]

I went back to supercharger

It was a tragic re-learning curve

Dropping mark

[keen spruce]

Boss dmg builds are just to make you do enough damage to not get flamed by your group in ST

Tbh supercharger ttk sd builds do okay enough ST

You’re normally last but not by enough for everyone to question mark ping you

[timid coral]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

No MA?

[blazing pumice]

lol who is flaming for st in dungeons

there's like a handful of bosses that you actually need to kill quickly

and your 50k extra dps from playing some wonky build won't make a difference

[spice spire]

Me

[runic hinge]

Same

[keen spruce]

not without subt

[nimble tartan]

chat I havent done a m+ dungeon in months

[dapper cradle]

not missing much

[amber coral]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

hm

just had a run when my shaman died on ascendence 4 times

also happend to do like 400k more dps than i have ever done in the key

kind of a cranker run

think i finished 3mil

[balmy condor]

hm

[earnest remnant]

they move in herds

[dapper cradle]

do you send cds on pull on brood?

or wait until first eggs?

[balmy condor]

on pull then you wait like 5-6 seconds to line up deathmark with add breaks

should line up

[dapper cradle]

word, thanks king

[ebon ingot]

hello people, what % does crit and mastery cap please?

[balmy condor]

126% from gear

well 126 mastery points

so like I guess whatever that is in %

around 160ish?

so I guess from gear 160% mastery 126% crit

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[ebon ingot]

and what about without diminishing returns?

[balmy condor]

bro like hell if I know lmao

[ebon ingot]

haha ok all good

[balmy condor]

I don't even know what the DRs are

who cares about that

[mighty vine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[dapper cradle]

@balmy condor watching your stream rn. did you natty shiv first set of ads before kingsbane was up?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dapper cradle]

that's hot af

[balmy condor]

intended

[dapper cradle]

do you do that every set?

[balmy condor]

no

[dapper cradle]

incredible

[vague raft]

the second the marks come out, send DM, should be a perfect lineup

[white lance]

If you mean the model textures, yeah i removed it when the issue surfaced

[winged sun]

@spice spire sorry for the ping homie but did you ask devlin if he updated the shader bit from a while ago? (It’s okay if you didn’t, but figured I’d ask!)

[spice spire]

Ty appreciate you homie

[spice spire]

@shy axle

[spice spire]

I did ty zeross

[winged sun]

Ty appreciate you homie

[nova python]

oh mighty 😍

[spice spire]

Gz

[amber brook]

no skardyns by s2

[spice spire]

F.

[last iris]

Is corrupt the blood bugged?

[blazing pumice]

!corrupt

[prisma monolith]

Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.

You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently

[last iris]

oh yeah that happened

[sharp viper]

I'm a bit disappointed to not be able to hit 640 Ilvl without dropping embellishments

So close

[unborn sable]

i am having problems keep track of clear the witnesses a good tracker for this?

[slate crown]

!wa LE collection has a standalone for ctw

[prisma monolith]

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[rotund oak]

no

[runic hinge]

[amber brook]

Are servers still cooked?

[rotund oak]

on the onions friend

[runic hinge]

When I logged like 20 minutes ago they were

[old lily]

does it have speed tho?

[amber brook]

those onions gonna be black soon enough

[dawn heath]

i'm so suprised they still havent fixed the follower duengon bullshit

does blizzard even care at all?

are we expected to just use the exploit since alot ofteams are

[rotund oak]

ive used follower dungeons like 20 times to get radiant power recipe

then never used again

[dawn heath]

if you use everthing at your exposal its a 18-20% dps gain or was atleast now its maybe 15%

that is like 1.5 key levels worth of damage that you cheat

[rotund oak]

[dawn heath]

not asingle word from blizzard or anything done about it

[rotund oak]

they need time to rework mage once more

[ebon ingot]

hello good people, just wanted to ask why the top casts on logs are envenom and not fan of knives, i thought it was better for aoe?

sorry mutilate*

[dawn heath]

Double flask, 4400 vers Garrison buff 1500 vers mistle toe mark of the wild arcane intellect and battle shout

[supple spindle]

what do you mean?

[golden loom]

Fan generates full combo points often, and you use muttilate in single target

So probably more casts in longer fight

[dawn heath]

You can get full raid buffs before you enter a key and they stay on

[rotund oak]

had no idea its that much btw

[supple spindle]

yoooo what? do followers just buff you?

[rotund oak]

gonna investigate^^

[dawn heath]

You queue Queen ansurek follower mode and leave just as you get buffed and you keep the buffs if you time it correctly

[supple spindle]

i used follower dungeons 1 time to clear rookery at start of the exp

[supple spindle]

damn that's nice

[spice surge]

Its more like 7% and not 15%, but yes its dumb

[dawn heath]

Its way more if u did everything

Like i said

[rotund oak]

yeah 15% sounds a lil crazy

but idk

[dawn heath]

No its real

[rotund oak]

gonna check it out

[spice surge]

The winter veil stuff isnt in anymore

[dawn heath]

You could get 6k vers from the Christmas event

Well alot of cheated runs are from then

You get another like 3k stats from double flask

9k secondaries cheated

Then motw and battle shout

[rotund oak]

[hollow river]

i don't think the christmas event buff is considered cheating

[spice surge]

The garrison buff definitely should be

The regular mistletoes no

[hollow river]

ye

[dawn heath]

Well mistletoe sure but Garrison buff is like a flask and a half

[rotund oak]

yup thats impactful

cool cool

[blazing pumice]

i just assume all push groups are exploiting raid buffs

it's going to be a big ban wave if they fix it

[dawn heath]

This guy is just him

4mil overall on the log

Surely legit

(log dps) is always like 10-15% Lower than your ingame meter

[supple spindle]

isn't this like, world buffs but retail version?

[old lily]

some1 stood in fire let's log on the undead priest to mind control the quest mob so we can pop dragonslayer again

[dawn heath]

i mean pretty much

if u did every exploit you got a ridic amount of dps

[supple spindle]

and leaving from the follower raid won't give you this traitor debuff? it's not like it will do anything, im just curious

since it's a queue pop-up if i recall correctly

[dawn heath]

i mean look at this guy

3.7mil log dps in mist

thats without augmented damage

[subtle tundra]

you dont know that guy? Himmothy?

he is simply him

[dawn heath]

i mean what the fuck am i watching

bros been pulling a 4.8 mil ingame dps in mist

i'm sure they are great players

but this dps is just not possible without cheating

[dawn seal]

It's a 19

Aug

Only 2 people actually do damage

Normal I think no ?

[subtle tundra]

no

[dawn heath]

lol

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

cause he sent the screenshot above

[dawn heath]

absolutely not normal

[subtle tundra]

where he is above everyone else

by a lot

[dawn seal]

I just saw the last one

Don't mu4der me

Sorry

[subtle tundra]

youre dead bud

im coming

[dawn seal]

Too late

I gotta cheat death

They should delete shamams

[dawn heath]

i mean something is sus

they are legit 2chesting 18 dawnbreaker like

[subtle tundra]

infinite dps hack

[dawn seal]

Aren't they gonna get bannee

[dawn seal]

D

Didn't blizzard

[dawn heath]

just gaming

[dawn seal]

Do something to outlaws

[dawn heath]

not really

[dawn seal]

When people were doing 3 outlaw keys

[dawn heath]

they hbanned like 2 people

[dawn seal]

[dawn heath]

and removes a handful ofkeys

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

he is playing sudden demise !

wtf

noob

[golden loom]

Exploit early exploit often

[subtle tundra]

wait no ttk in mists

what a rogue

them chinese

[dawn heath]

look at this

did they toggle off the hacks

LOL

[subtle tundra]

dont even need burst in mists 19, just do so much dmg your build doesnt matter

[dawn heath]

here u can see how much time gain cheating is

[subtle tundra]

you sometimes just have bad runs with deaths

lol

[dawn heath]

it gained them 5minutes

na

they had 2 deahts

2 deaths in both runs

[subtle tundra]

deaths on shaman and rogue at the start -> -10% dps