assassination

[slate crown]

female panda is quite nice as well, stealth animations are good

[worldly sail]

first cloak was for webs

[nova aspen]

ive been sprinting into the bad during intermission and cloaking

but we are getting pretty good at it now

so perhaps i can just hold it for the gate

[worldly sail]

i always just run back in intermission as we get time spirals so i always have sprint

but yeah the gate felt like sometimes it hurt giga hard with an instant tick of the ground thingy after dispell

sometimes it barely tickled

[nova aspen]

yeah i wasnt sure, i figured it would be better to have -1 player for the clusterfuck wrest

since i could just go to africa

and not bother any1

on lorrgs people do both

seems like more often they cloak their gate role

ill try that tonight i guess

[manic quartz]

i always cloak 2nd wrest and shadowstep to our dk 😄

[golden loom]

most goofy shit I've ever seen is when I used a noggenfogger on a demon hunter

they havent made any animations for double jump or gilde or anything for the skeleton

[slate crown]

I'm so mad I got rid of the trinket but

[golden loom]

I wish noggenfogger was 60 min tho

[slate crown]

I got the wotlk trinket from the pre expac event

on my mage

[golden loom]

being 10 min is just scuffed

[slate crown]

The one that transforms you into a vrykul or other stuff

[waxen oyster]

They stack over 200

dont they

[strange sleet]

ye it's shit. But at least you can mount with them, which you couldn't back in the day

[slate crown]

but when yo uget transformed as a vrykul it doesn't have animations for lots of flying stuff

[golden loom]

yeah but u have to keep repopping

[golden loom]

you can in classic also

[waxen oyster]

in raid its fine

[slate crown]

I use a disc mount on my mage and when you do surge the vrykul just stands upright and flips around like a compass needle it's hilarious

I'm so mad I didn't get footage before vendoring the trinket

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile burgy’s hat is infinite and no cd

[slate crown]

You can in sod

But

In real classic you couldn't

[waxen oyster]

Still mad m+ players got it disabled in dungeons

[slate crown]

Or at least in Vanilla you couldn't

[golden loom]

ive only played hardcore and there atleast u can

was always a skeleton in raid cause animations are goated

[slate crown]

I just remember always using it in hyjal prog back in the day because I wanted to

but then alwyas having to click it off

when needing to mount

[strange sleet]

Ye you could not use it with mount back in the days no

[golden loom]

yeah I guess they did make some changes to the hardcore version

[waxen oyster]

When i think of people playing og classic

[strange sleet]

We old

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-camera-shake-gif-21145390

[waxen oyster]

Let me get out the walking canes

[slate crown]

😦

[waxen oyster]

[strange sleet]

My lower back actually kinda hurts 😦

[waxen oyster]

But yeah idk they ruined undead and troll animations

[golden loom]

did have 2 noggenfoggers on a transfered dead HC char, looks to work on classic era also 😄

[waxen oyster]

with the new models

[golden loom]

yeah its sad, cause undead was so far ahead of every other class in terms of animations

[humble verge]

im slightly wondering, do you guys - if youre missing f.exp 3CP of a 7CP DN reset and you still have subt from vanish - do you garrote for 3CP(imp gar) or mut hoping for 3CP?

[waxen oyster]

chinese undead model better

no broken pants

[golden loom]

I mean you would have ambush then no? and that gives 3

[humble verge]

no you dont

cause the imp gar lasts for 12

while subt lasts for 6

[golden loom]

oh yeah

[humble verge]

im thinking about the last 6 seconds of imp gar

most of the time

i just use imp for free cps

[golden loom]

yeah doesnt sound bad

[humble verge]

both to either just

reset timer for longest imp gar uptime

or just to get cp

[dawn seal]

does anyone else alsol using whispyrs afenar edit

wa

[golden loom]

you would also get spatter duration from mutti tho to be fair

[humble verge]

no i used a customized one i got from another rogue

[golden loom]

yeah but ive made some personal changes to it

[humble verge]

actually pretty good

lad was kind enough to share

some icons might seem a bit small but its just an adjustment anyways

[waxen oyster]

Not a shmeep edit smh

[humble verge]

this is a private edit from afenar i believe

[waxen oyster]

Yeah shmeep is a meme edit

replaced all icons with different peepos

[humble verge]

the number rating there is also pretty nice

[humble verge]

indicating the amount of ruptures you have

honestly

might soon just invis my bars

make it look cleaner

idk just looks utterly weird for me

[golden loom]

I dont really look at the weak aura tho to be honest

[humble verge]

ya dont check envenom buff? 🤨

gotta minmax

[golden loom]

I mean its always up pretty much

but the bars are hard to miss ye

so I look at that

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[golden loom]

( i mainly raid)

[humble verge]

me when i can wait 15 minutes to spam my next envenom in raid and still ahve the buff

😴

[waxen oyster]

t2

i sleep

[runic basin]

Hello guys, could anyone help me with my logs?

[violet berry]

What do we think titles gonna be

[spice spire]

It’s tempered hero

[keen mist]

ironic cuz all you do is get tempered by your tank this season

[dense badger]

‘Just vanish bro’

[balmy condor]

Ironic cuz I was tempering my red hot sword in your moms water last night

So

How bout that

[runic hinge]

graphic

[brave comet]

my ranking in the damage meter plummets during ad phase in the first boss of Mythic

how would i go on about dealing with that trash phase

[fallow canopy]

Leave it to the warriors dks and such of the world

[runic hinge]

tell your aoe classes to kill it faster

[balmy condor]

Your ranking in damage meters during ad phases drop because that’s how the spec works yes

[waxen oyster]

damage to bugs got taken off wcl

[balmy condor]

To the surprise of no one, a spec that has 5-6 seconds of setup for its aoe can’t perform well on adds that die in 5-6 seconds

[waxen oyster]

so idk how its an issue

[waxen oyster]

Also why are you staring at the meter mid pull

[brave comet]

cause i'm trying to see how well i am performing during various points of the fight and if i can optimize it better next time?

what an irrelevant question that somehow demanded an obvious answer

[waxen oyster]

Damage to bugs thats removed on wcl

”optimize”

This late in the tier they explode in the first 2 gcds they get in range of your warrior

[cerulean walrus]

You playing outlaw? Assassination doesn’t use swords

[brave comet]

that's so weird, i was half way down the list against bloodhound horror

[keen mist]

this one?

[brave comet]

and on wcl i'm first

[waxen oyster]

If you want to "parse" on ulgrax.

It's an ST boss

don't do soaks

[brave comet]

i guess ill run the ST build next time

[cerulean walrus]

Well yeah just let your FDKs and warriors take care of the adds smh

They blow that shit up anyway

[waxen oyster]

It's too late in the tier

we have almost maxed rings

[fallow canopy]

Parse fiends are a different breed

[waxen oyster]

and 16% threads buff

[balmy condor]

Yes, but idk why you’re leaking DMs when you asked for pics of me kinda weird those were just for your eyes baby

[waxen oyster]

you not getting setup gcds on ulgrax adds

past the first month

[brave comet]

it's not my fault that i was only interested in mythic raiding at the end of dec. everyone asks for logs

[waxen oyster]

Ok

and any half competent guild

doesnt give a shit about ulgrax add damage

on a class that sucks at them

[brave comet]

i know that at the start of the season 800k on ulgrax is like 90%

[cerulean walrus]

You can pug first 4 anyway

[brave comet]

all my kills are pugs

obviously

[pure moth]

Atleast yall didn't have 2 guilds quit for the tier in 1 season.. >.<

[balmy condor]

Obviously

[cerulean walrus]

Obviously

[waxen oyster]

first 4 this tier are honestly

so easy

[cerulean walrus]

[waxen oyster]

[brave comet]

yeah queen on heroic is harder

[waxen oyster]

I got all 3 web sets on m rash

[brave comet]

i forgot the quotations "harder"

[waxen oyster]

on my alt

bruh blizzard

ngl queen now is

dont fuck up first 2 pop sets

if you get 3rd your group dps on hc sucks

[brave comet]

or youre in a pug, and the first 2 pops are definitely gonna be fucked

[proven jasper]

Thats just a recipe for disaster unfortunately

[wooden latch]

Which 2 Lethal Poisons for M+? Does it matter?

[runic hinge]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[wooden latch]

ty

[grave osprey]

Bleed build wild even in 10s. Just spread dots, chill, and top meters 😎🪭

[royal lantern]

idk if that sounds rude, but if all you do is spread dots and topping dmg meters, its because the other 2 dps are probably not really good at their job

[grave osprey]

Obviously im oversimplifying the situation, but its not much more than that. I wouldnt call 1.5-1.9m dps overall bad dps, specially for 1-2 pack pulls max.

[livid bronze]

What's a decent average look like for a single window of kingsbane damage?

trying to see if I am low or in the zone 🙂

I'm at the dummy and doing around 6-7m

[rotund oak]

irrelevant keys,its pointless,even the obvious 😉

generally season needs to end now,this is boring

[grave osprey]

Obviously

[rotund oak]

but just an indication about what u prolly face in 10-11-12s keys..

ive smashed 99.9% of my keys,even while i was lacking severely gear for it

[grave osprey]

Season is almost over! Hang in there bois 🥰

[rotund oak]

and won vs ppl with higher ilvl than me and alot better gear

[golden loom]

like honestly

just remove mythic lockout

[rotund oak]

yeah this seaosn needs to end

[golden loom]

I wanna do 4/8 mythic 24/7

[rotund oak]

im hyped for next raid tbh

it looks fun

goblins and all

[golden loom]

ye

idk raid is 100x better than m+

[grave osprey]

M+ is fun, pugging is not

[golden loom]

so if raid trinkets are good and we dont have to play vault roulete

[grave osprey]

But thats a personal issue lol

[golden loom]

then we pop off

[rotund oak]

m+ is for ppl that dont wanna raid or cant coz not the best systems etc

like imagine going into ovinax progress from a wifi laptop or something

my brain hurts

i enjoyed alot more pvp this season than m+ or raiding

and pvp hype died rly fast as well

cant rly say ive enjoyed this season at all

[hollow river]

I was kinda enjoying it before .5

Geared and played more classes than ever before

[golden loom]

But yeah its weird ofc, I of course loved the season cause its my first one, and retail is just a good game at the core

[rotund oak]

yup before .5 was cool.Ive played my mage more while my rogue was somewhere in acloset waiting to do keys

[golden loom]

Onwards to better things hopefully

[rotund oak]

yup yup

[hollow river]

I pvped more on my feral than my 3 rogues combined this season I’m p sure

[rotund oak]

where's koffing

[gusty mirage]

3 rogues?

brother

what

[hollow river]

brother

[gusty mirage]

WHO HURT YOU

[hollow river]

early gearing is timegated

so if you want to play diff specs you kinda have to

at least i'm not at Bigdam's level of insanity

he's the #1 shuffle enhance, has like 20+ shamans

make that 26 lmfao

[candid sun]

I think the worst I did was make a sub rogue to level to re learn it

Maybe will do that with combat

Will probably make one a dedicated pvp toon

[rotund oak]

bro has srs issues

fr

and here i was thinking i was weird playign alt rogues and a couple of mages

who lvls up so many shammies,ques shuffles and do all that ladder climbing

[timber meadow]

what's the lowest key level that drops mythic crests?

[bright cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-cow-gif-19489323

[rotund oak]

what do you mean by ''mythic'' crests

is that

''gilded''?

[timber meadow]

I figured it out - no worries

[rotund oak]

not rly worried but its 8

[timber meadow]

all g - in the US thats just a matter of speech... I didn't think you were actually worried 🤣 appreciate it

[pure moth]

What's wrong with 3!?! I got 3

[gusty mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692466539747737693/1306454671434584165/1279845931331747933.gif

[spice spire]

Dog what

[solar wyvern]

3 chances at getting the goon squad in my vault fr fr

[hollow river]

it's because at high mmr your queues get to like 45min minimum

[waxen oyster]

Somehow i doubt the goon squad trinket is good

[hollow river]

so if you actually want to get to play the game you just keep making more alts

[waxen oyster]

unless the summons give stats

instead of just damage procs

[solar wyvern]

Idc its me and the BoyZ

[waxen oyster]

They’re goblins

so half boys

[pure moth]

My 3rd is my alliance doing the quest chain for the farewell to arms meta achievement

[solar wyvern]

They're goblin down on DN yknow

(Darkest Night)

[waxen oyster]

farewell to arms is

[spice spire]

Great track

[waxen oyster]

azeroth’s champion

[solar wyvern]

Farewell to arms is what all the warriors I play with say

[waxen oyster]

but not timegated

isnt it

[waxen oyster]

isnt arms the boomer spec

[bronze pike]

ive been playing sod @spice spire

and it inspired me to make another sin fix

you see for to long i felt like poisons have little interactions with the class as a whole so instead of removing them or having them be like runeforging for dks

why not have them be more interactive

[waxen oyster]

poisons are pretty interactive with the class

well for sin

outlaw and sub its just a 1 hour maintenance buff

for 2-3% damage

[bronze pike]

dragontempered blades reworked: our poisons now last 30 seconds, casting mutulate absorbs your poisons and instantly empowers your mutulate based on the poison absorbed, each poison does something different and mutulate cant be used without a poison active

[waxen oyster]

Oh and we get the wish.com version of devo aura from it

[bronze pike]

so your using globals on poisons and empowering your mut with it

this opens the door to what i like to call

poison twisting

[balmy condor]

have you ever heard the saying "new year new me"

you should try it

[bronze pike]

deadly poison can be the to go super strong poison dps wise, then instant poison can be the poison/seal that can buff energy, and atrophic poison can turn mut into a raid wide cd, so your encourage to play with those poisons and twist them while weaving in finishers.

hire me blizzard

[waxen oyster]

This is the byproduct

of classic brainrot

[balmy condor]

hey

my first classic article the comments were way nicer than anything retail wowheaders have to say

[broken chasm]

anyone know how to remove?

[waxen oyster]

You read wowhead comments?

[balmy condor]

I'm a narcissist so I check the comments on my posts sometimes ye

[waxen oyster]

Don’t those people complain about the game instead of unsubbing.

[bronze pike]

i mean i wasnt called a slur as a reponse to a question in classic classcord

[bright cipher]

Let me send you a hug for every bad comment on wowhead you might have seen

they do'nt deserve you.

[balmy condor]

I can't tell if it's sarcasm and you were, sarcasm and true because you were called a slur in response to a question on a retail classcord, or I don't remember that I called you a slur and you're reminding me

[bronze pike]

im talking about ret cord not here

yall were nice to me whren i first joined

retail paladin cord i was called colorful words for having dumb questions, so i was plesently surprised by the reception i got in the sod classcord

theyre much nicer there

[bright cipher]

it can be rough, even when moderation does well and work some users can go out of control

[balmy condor]

youtube is worse it's aight

especially when you got a lil cute chibi avatar like mine

[bronze pike]

i mean ret side has 0 moderation

[bright cipher]

your avatar is cute won't lie

[balmy condor]

you get shit like this

a classic

[bronze pike]

HOLY

[balmy condor]

chefs kiss

[bronze pike]

[bright cipher]

holy shit

[bronze pike]

bet that dude hits on ever female toon ingame expecting them to be actual girls

[bright cipher]

actual incel right there

[balmy condor]

I told him I'd be anything he wants me to be and he didn't respond

[spice spire]

I hope we’re still nice to you now

Even if you cook at 800 degrees only

[spice spire]

So real

Man is going to be livid when he learns that tisu isn’t the hottest girl he’s ever seen :/

[slate crown]

It's one of these, try messing around with them in Options-> Combat

I don't know which one specifically

[subtle tundra]

i wont call you a colorful word but i will make you upset

[bronze pike]

[bronze pike]

thats hard to do

my brain is too smooth, your words slide right off

[balmy condor]

I'll call you a colorful word

[bronze pike]

call this

[spice spire]

Mf said “I’m gonna call you goldenrod” ain’t no way

[bronze pike]

[gusty mirage]

Ass master but not the rogue kind

[balmy condor]

whatever you say

pink

[bronze pike]

do i get special pink role?

[balmy condor]

no

pink is for transmogs

[gusty mirage]

Become a tmogger

[tall basin]

fan of knives isn't used at all in ST right, also not with clear the witness etc

[balmy condor]

with ctw yes

otherwise no

[bronze pike]

i dont like showing off my tmog secrets

[gusty mirage]

Is it feetsy

[balmy condor]

maybe its Maybelline

[subtle tundra]

feet?

where

send

[worldly sail]

every time i click on any of the spec channels, theres sus chat going on

rogue gamers down bad

(me included)

[broken chasm]

thanks brother I already found it

[tall basin]

ight thx

[broken chasm]

is making macro shiv with thistle tea a good idea?

[hollow river]

ye

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[broken chasm]

thx

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[bronze pike]

no

im not a sicko

[royal lantern]

yeha, sure

i saw your search history

[dawn seal]

do u think our rtotations gonna change next season ?

so far

or we cant tell yet

[balmy condor]

can you list the changes we have received that would cause the rotation to undergo any change

[sonic zinc]

do u try to keep rupture uptime on both bosses in court when u can or just fuck it

m court

[thorn thorn]

Wise Whispyr of the Ravenholdt will our tier set get changed before live

[balmy condor]

yes, keep it up

[balmy condor]

fuck if I know bro

[thorn thorn]

You are a timewalking cloud serpent how could you not????

simply look into the future bro

[slate crown]

pooling before you gamba so you can gamba in your gamba

[livid bronze]

what do you guys typically pull for dps in like a m+ pack of say 6 or so mobs

[slate crown]

gamba gamba gamba big gamba

[ember mural]

did you get that from quake or did he get it from you

[balmy condor]

we might never know

[golden loom]

How we doing this fine saturday night

[golden loom]

Cant believe its the middle of January already wtf

[balmy condor]

pouring one out for tiktok

[golden loom]

never had tiktok installed

IG reels undefeated

[balmy condor]

IG reels

you make me sick

[golden loom]

my algorithm is beyond fried

its either straight up porn or the oia cat

https://tenor.com/view/gato-feliz-de-replus-gif-6513672452266746471

[balmy condor]

classic IG reels

3 weeks behind

[slate crown]

oh right tiktok is gone not that I ever used it directly just saw vids posted in discord or other sites

nothing ever happens bros seething

[golden loom]

imagine having a third brainrot app

i already have instagram and youtube on my phone

tiktok is redundant

[slate crown]

I don't have IG I only have twitter on my phone which I barely use anymore

And yt and disc

[balmy condor]

me and my gf send each other tiktoks throughout the day and then when we go to bed, we watch each others together like we're watching the other become a react streamer

we're cooked

[golden loom]

react content is goated and I will not hear otherwise

[slate crown]

oh my god that's so sweet

and sad that it's gone now

it's so over

[golden loom]

I love being into something and then seeing people watch the same thing and get excited

[balmy condor]

just sending tiktoks? Nah

sending tiktoks then watching my gf laugh at them

or stare at me in utter confusion as I send her the 15th installment of germanrot

[golden loom]

like I've seen every wow cinematic 100x times by watching people react to them, same for league

[balmy condor]

that's peak

[golden loom]

germanrot sounds interesting

I studied german for like 7 years and I can say sofakartoffel

but atleast I got to get drunk there at 16 on a schooltrip

[balmy condor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2dLEkmA/

[golden loom]

that might be the worst video i have ever seen

[balmy condor]

it's modern art

modern art that the US government wishes to remove

[royal lantern]

mate

what the fuck

[balmy condor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2dLpWC5/

I’ll try again

[ember mural]

[nova python]

1:43 and what am i watching

off to sleep

[balmy condor]

germanrot mate

it's peak

the government says I'm getting brainwashed by the PRC but instead I'm watching low poly german brainrot

those fools

[nova python]

they cant brainwash you when you already brainwashed yourself

always 2 steps ahead

[balmy condor]

they can't brainwash someone without a brain

checkmate

[nova python]

didnt think about that

well if i had brain maybe i would

[slate crown]

Does it hit different if you understand german?

[balmy condor]

no

[slate crown]

ok good

[balmy condor]

I think the experience is actually far better if you have no understanding of what's happening

[slate crown]

I have no understanding of what's happening

[balmy condor]

you are getting the peak experience then

[nova python]

welcome to life

[balmy condor]

it's like skydiving or something

the feeling that you aren't in control and just living in the moment as things happen around you and you are at the mercy of nature itself

is the beauty of it

[nova python]

wish they did skydiving without parachutes

[balmy condor]

next patch dw

[royal lantern]

no

im still sitting here and feel my braincells melting away

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bPWLN.gif

[alpine canyon]

does anyone have any suggestions on how to better track my dots on m+? A plater profile or weakaura?

[hollow river]

ye check out the ones we have linked here

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

all of those gud

I'm partial to cev's with some personalization for nameplate spacing and what not

[alpine canyon]

Thank you all

I will give Cev's a try

[keen spruce]

i'd try them both

they do similar things

more of a preference for color schemes and styling

[alpine canyon]

How do I get the CPs on top of the target like so?

I checked all of these but no cigar

[keen spruce]

uhh idk I dont' use that feature

[slate crown]

It's in the base settings

[keen spruce]

ty liso

[slate crown]

go into personal resource, check it, then check show on target, then UNcheck personal resource

[alpine canyon]

pro move ty

apparently those are different ones that show in the middle, the plater ones are here:

[fading vigil]

this the build we wanna run for queen>

[balmy condor]

yes

[fading vigil]

ty

[brazen sluice]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[brazen sluice]

so i used anlyzer for my queen progress but i still feel my dps is shit

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Y7RCZLBahMKdFkTw/73-Mythic+Queen+Ansurek+-+Wipe+35+(3:45)/Cc/standard

also when i sim for st it asks me to go about 7k haste and like 8k crit only , and i heard we dont need haste , so idk should i follow sims? or go for crit mastrey instead of haste mastrey

[hollow river]

ye you can follow sims, and i'm not sure wowanalyzer is even properly set up for assa

[brazen sluice]

.

[hollow river]

ye ik

i'm just not sure it's up to date

[spice spire]

for some reason this cannot be updated or edited, it is not up to date for assassination.

The best use is raw posting a log and having a thread created

I'm watching a show with a friend, but I can take a look at it when we're done and try to point it out

note queen is a super weird one and is highly dependent on CD usage

so like

you can play correctly and still parse like shit if timings are shit

that's kind of the nature of the fight

best way to analyze it personally is looking at it phase by phase IMO.

that's how I reviewed my placy on it, and we just never cleared again, so that log is probably perma shit for me

it's also lowkey determined by your assignment on p3

so like if you go to adds

you're inting your damage, but your raid may need that extra 0.1% dam

it's kind of a lot altogether

[brazen sluice]

i agree with its a shit fight but my problem is im a 2nd popper which is timed with blades + shit bait so i havbe a downtime of like 20s? also i get my DM like 40s before shield intermission so idk if i just hold my DM that long or not , lastly how do i creat a thread for log review?

[hollow river]

if you post a link to the log i can create a thread

[brazen sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y7RCZLBahMKdFkTw

[bronze pike]

join red note

also same

me and my bestie do the same thing

and its weird

not to be able to do it

we're on voice chat sending each other rednotes rn but its not the same

[crude helm]

is the 20%-100% bonus damage from CT dynamic or will it stay buffed if other effects targets die

[balmy condor]

not dynamic

[crude helm]

so i want to refresh on ovinax before adds die?

[balmy condor]

if it's in pandemic, sure

you don't play around the target scaling bonus

[sudden kelp]

Does pandemic apply to caustic spatter?

[balmy condor]

no

[sudden kelp]

So do you just try to refresh it in the last 1-2 seconds or something?

[balmy condor]

whatever you gotta do to keep it up

[sharp viper]

there are pills for that

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[rotund oak]

[dawn heath]

im so dumbfounded by this bug that only happends to me

its tilting me to no end

[rotund oak]

wdym by only to you

[dawn heath]

no one else seem to have this issue

[rotund oak]

maybe its a u issue then

[dawn heath]

every time

i do dawnbreaker

and go up to the ritualist

my stealth breaks

before i can ambush

in the first pull

it never happends anywhere else

and since im not subterfuge

i have to burn vanish

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jwh6tNXDqj4fKPjFV?invite=cr-MSxHZVosMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

i have like 10 clips of this

and it only happends on this pull

[rotund oak]

dont think its a bug but maybe im wrong,could ask casualdaddy to confirm

[dawn heath]

so whats breaking my stealth xd

and why does it not happend anywhere else

[rotund oak]

dmg?

idk

[dawn heath]

i can always

go up to mobs

hit ambush

but now i cant

on this pack

[rotund oak]

tried picking up another target?

[dawn heath]

no

i want to DSM the ritualist

[rotund oak]

seems like u tricks as well

hmm

u can always swap back to ritualist

[dawn heath]

bruh

thats not the play

[rotund oak]

ik its not

[pure star]

do you have start attack macroed anywhere that could be breaking stealth before you can ambush?

[rotund oak]

im examining alternatives

[dawn heath]

na i don't

but it is melee attack

that is breaking stealth

i looked at logs

but it never happends anywhere else

[pure star]

are you right clicking to target potentially?

[dawn heath]

na

[rotund oak]

give us the log maybe we can figure it out

[sharp viper]

why do you have separate keybindings for ambush and mutilate?

[rotund oak]

sweat,alot of it 😂

im joking ofc

[dawn heath]

why would i have them on the smae

same

but also just keybinding wise it makes more sense

since my shadowstep is shift4 having ambush on 4 is pretty nice

[sharp viper]

because they do the same thing and inside of stealth/subterfuge you use ambush and outside of it you use mutilate

and blindside transforms your mutilate into an ambush (which still applies caustic)

[dawn heath]

u think im playing

blindside in keys?

[sharp viper]

... that is besides the point

there is just no reason to have them on separate keys

[dawn heath]

there is also no reason to have them on the same keybind

i already explained why i do it

i don't want to use 4 as my spam button but shadowstep ambush goes neatly with shift 4 - 4

[sharp viper]

less keybinds = easier
less keybinds = more easily accessible keybinds for other abilities

[dawn heath]

you are really dense

[sharp viper]

you are quite rude

[dawn heath]

i already explained why i do it and u keep saying there is no reason

when clearly therei s

[hollow river]

dh mains

[rotund oak]

plot thickens

didnt know the dh factor

[bronze pike]

[sharp viper]

that would explain the desire to have buttons to fill the bars

[rotund oak]

[dawn heath]

assa has like no binds either

[rotund oak]

but whatever the man wants,i dont judge,seen some rly cursed binds in thepast

[rotund oak]

if u gave us the log uve mentioned earlier would be cool to see how ur stealth breaks

havent done srs keys this season but its interesting to see

[dawn heath]

i already sent it to whispyr

he didnt know what caused i t

[rotund oak]

ah cool cool

[dawn heath]

it is auto attacks

that we know

the question is why

it never happends anywhere else

[rotund oak]

auto atk urs means u should make a start atk macro or something

coz u might right click it and press step

its common in pvp

[dawn heath]

yeah but i don't have that

i mean right click maybe but i dont think so

i dont have that habbit normally

but who the fk knows

i have like 10 clips of it happening in the first pull here

[rotund oak]

yeah thats anecdotal cant rly comment

its interesting though

[sharp viper]

it's easier to find out why stealth doesn't break

[rotund oak]

also true

thats actually alot easier

[hollow river]

have you tried putting stopattack onto your step or something?

[dawn heath]

no but i've considered it actually

maybe i should do that

[rotund oak]

thats what i thought as well

[sharp viper]

another keybinding for the bars

[hollow river]

that's what i would try for now since the problem has been persistant

[dawn heath]

its not another bind 🤦‍♂️

[hollow river]

then just add startattack to one of your rotational abilities

[dawn heath]

its a macro

[sharp viper]

yeah but there is no reason to have the macro with stopattack and shadowstep on the same bind

[dawn heath]

im convinced this guy is trolling by now

i fell for it initially well done

[rotund oak]

back to work before this place collapses

[sharp viper]

oof, working on a saturday/sunday sounds rough

[runic hinge]

the real answer is you go to the left when everyone else goes to the right

[sharp viper]

only if it's on a separate keybinding

[runic hinge]

watch the clips

this unhinged mf goes left along the wall for first pull DB

[sharp viper]

hmm that could be an explanation fitting the scenario he described

[runic basin]

morning, could someone please have a look at my logs?

[dark crag]

Your team is fighting the mobs for ages until you engage them. Then there is a pala tank and i think they have some shit that triggers in their consecration if mates stand in it. Could also be just unlucky group dmg

[rotund oak]

thats the reality in Greece my man,6 days a week and off-hours during sunday.Im running a warehouse,not much work in sunday but still here,not in my home

least ive got a desk for my laptop

[runic hinge]

lemme see

[fresh kelp]

if you focus step him instead of target step it prob won't auto him either

ezpz

can't hit what you're not targetting

[rotund oak]

next thing he will focus gar as well

thats some real sweat ngl

[worldly sail]

focus garrote and focus rupture gaming ever since silken court

[balmy condor]

what is this cook

[broken chasm]

Is throwing envenom for 5 CB good or should I keep generating up to 6?

[golden loom]

5

[limpid cliff]

Scrolled up to see two narbs discussing gameplay choices that have 0 bearing on each other as players. Man this chat cooks.

[lethal mortar]

did i suddenly become more dogshit than normal or is sin on the ptr really bad

in keys

[balmy condor]

we did not receive any changes

so its possible that everything around you changed

but our output is functionally identical to what it is on live

[rotund oak]

ive got an objection

about your stream

and the lack of using bro as a central figure

(yes i wont tell bro's name 😂 )

we need to see them cat paws

[scarlet summit]

Hi everybody, i want to improve my rogue stats and look a lot at Archon. How far can you trust the status on Archon and what sim should I best use on raid bots for M+ DPS/Stat Weight.

[rotund oak]

Dungeon slice

also ignore completely any stat weight sim

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[scarlet summit]

WoW, with the Archon Site i almost ingored haste with Deathstalker and pushd to 50+% Mastery with around 25% Crit

[balmy condor]

archon is just a collection of characters

you can think of it a little like learning a sport or an instrument really

if you want to learn how to kick a soccer/football really good

you could compare how 25 professionals kick it, and then emulate that

or you can get yourself a coach (or sim in this case), who will tell you if a change in your form is better or worse

[subtle tundra]

bad part is youre never in the position of those 25 professionals

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's the rub

[scarlet summit]

True xD

[balmy condor]

they are professionals cause they've done all the work to get there in the first place

you as a newbie can watch and try to emulate

[subtle tundra]

and youll never have the team of those guys

to set you up

[balmy condor]

but for 1, you never actually "learn"

2 like varas said, you're in a different environment

3, you don't have access to the same things they do

it doesn't matter how good you can emulate the mystical averaged out data-scrubbed gear of whoever the top 50 m+ runners are

if you're like 625 for example

don't have skardyns? well guess what that's a fuckshitasston of mastery during your biggest bursts that is non existant

that changes all your other gear like a ripple in a lake

[scarlet summit]

So i can lean on the Stats by Archon but Always Check with Raidbots Dungeons Slice?

[scarlet summit]

True

[balmy condor]

you can lean on the stats by archon as a general guide of what stats people are stacking vs not stacking

[soft surge]

why are alotta rogues playing wingsinger over legendary on the last two bosses

[balmy condor]

if you're actually going to compare gear A vs gear B, archon will do you fuck all good

[soft surge]

i know some are playing it on all but theres heaps on last 2

[balmy condor]

that's why we have sims

[balmy condor]

parsing :)

[soft surge]

ah

but

[balmy condor]

why play gem that is 1.5% better, but has chance to buff raid

[soft surge]

you mean dps parsing? so why not on the easy bosses

https://i.imgur.com/TbAlvcn.png sikran 5% windsinger

[scarlet summit]

And the Stats Weight Sim with Dungeons Slice is useless? Kind a?

[balmy condor]

when can play gem that is 1.5% worse, but only selfishly gives me stats

stat weights are always useless

[scarlet summit]

😅 fck

[balmy condor]

there's a reason raidbots tries to hide them and gives you a big fuck off warning banner

in giant 80 point font

with a bright yellow box

that burns your eyeballs to a crisp

[soft surge]

58% on queen

[scarlet summit]

True 😅

So best way to find Out... Take a hour in Sim and rdy diffrent Gems usw to get the Stats and Max DPS

[soft surge]

queen being a harder boss, and sikran being a pushover, wouldnt more use the highest dps one over utility/hps and all the shit legendary brings

[balmy condor]

who knows

people think in strange ways

[balmy condor]

you know why it takes so long to sim different gems right?

[scarlet summit]

Yes he Switch one Gem and Sim and than two etc

[balmy condor]

well yeah

but that takes a long ass time

cause it's basically no difference

it takes the sim no time at all to tell you that something is 3% better

cause it's obvious

you're simming the difference between gems, which are entirely inconsequential to your dps

if gem A gives you 250 dps and gem B gives you 280 dps

[soft surge]

im going to sim the citrines for the first time

[balmy condor]

the sim literally cannot tell them apart even after simming tens of thousands of fights

they're too similar

but it tries its best

and simming those tens of thousands of fights over and over and over and over

takes a shit ton of time

[balmy condor]

reviewing the work of dozens of theorycrafters is important, but maybe next time do it when things are being tested like 7 weeks ago

instead of waiting for everyone to agree on the same shit

and then going back and doing the work for yourself

[scarlet summit]

So i sim actually 2,278M on Dungeons Slice.

How i find Out now, how to improv when Gems Take to long and Stat weights is shit

[balmy condor]

cause that feels a bit pointless

[soft surge]

im upto the last two bosses and was looking at logs and noticed that close to half of sin rogues are using windsingers

[balmy condor]

you either wait for the sim to tell you the gems don't matter or you just do it by complete feel and also not matter

[soft surge]

dps theory makes no sense because u would see even more than 50% using it on easier fights

but its way way less on easier fights

[golden loom]

isnt the sample size for last 2 just infinitely lower

[balmy condor]

shouldn't matter either way

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/Pc8UDRo.png

[balmy condor]

he's looking at the top 100

[soft surge]

i sim way less with windsingers

[balmy condor]

wow

so the thing we all knew 2 months ago

surprise

shock

[soft surge]

so why are half of sins using it on top 100 logs for queen and court lol

[balmy condor]

cause they feel like it I guess

[scarlet summit]

🤔🤔 dont get it

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/gBd7PBg.png

nothing makes sense

[balmy condor]

sim taking forever = things are incredibly similar or even equal

if you sim your gems

the sim will come back and give you like 40 different gem combinations

that are all equivalent

[scarlet summit]

True

[sullen phoenix]

how does sin looks in new patch guise?

[balmy condor]

identical

because it didn't get a single line of changes

[soft surge]

im now looking at m+ logs which i know mean nothing but again windsinger is used more than legendary

[balmy condor]

yes

[sullen phoenix]

in your opinion will be good for the raid as boss fights are/ dungeons?

design wise of, cuz tuning will happen i guess

[soft surge]

we are rolling havoc

[balmy condor]

if you think it's good now

it's good next patch

if you think it's bad now

it's bad next patch

0 change, same encounter design

[sullen phoenix]

uuuuuh why u do this to me 😄

[balmy condor]

what do you want me to say

it's the same fucking game

and the same fucking spec

[sullen phoenix]

hahaha u torture me

and i like it

i wanna hear lies 😄

[balmy condor]

I mean seriously

what do you want me to say

you want me to tell you that it's going to be the most giga dps, longest bar on your details based on tuning that's 2 months in the future?

[sullen phoenix]

1

[soft surge]

doomblade needs to swap spots with dashing scoundral

[sullen phoenix]

no no ofc, i am kidding a bit 🙂

but ofc

u gave me

[balmy condor]

why the fuck would they do that

[sullen phoenix]

insight

[golden loom]

i already am number 1 on details so next patch is a banger already

[soft surge]

works better for the 99% of us who spend our retail time in dungeons

[balmy condor]

what

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I'm just going to ignore that you think the majority of players spend their time in dungeons part

[soft surge]

i want doomblade gone

[balmy condor]

what makes you think dashing works better for m+

[soft surge]

more energy for our shitty m+ boss play

[balmy condor]

mhm

[golden loom]

the bleed talent leading into the other bleed talent makes sense tho

[balmy condor]

so you get a bit more energy

and then what

you still don't do damage?

[golden loom]

why would dashing lead into bonespike

[soft surge]

may not do more dmg but it will feel better

[rotund oak]

sounds delulu to me

[balmy condor]

mhmhm, cool cool

so you just remove all the choice from the talent tree by stacking a powerful talent on top of another powerful talent, force dashing + sbs everywhere permanently

in the name of muh energi

👍

nice

[rotund oak]

basicly kill the spec

[soft surge]

doomblade does nothing

[balmy condor]

it does damage

it acts as a gateway to bone spike because bone spike is very strong

[sullen phoenix]

do you personaly like more new raid or nerub?

[balmy condor]

it balances the point weighting of the tree

[soft surge]

dashing will be our gateway to bonespike

[balmy condor]

idk, havne't seen it on mythic yet, I think the fights are fine but they do feel very copy paste with a different coat of paint

second boss is basically just p1 ansurek

the fourth boss is just ovi'nax without spiders and instead of breaking eggs you're rolling a ball around

[golden loom]

I mean the left side is all poison stuff, while the right side is bleed stuff, so why would putting dashing there make any sense

[balmy condor]

I think 6th boss? Is just painsmith but with goblin tech instead of spikes

3rd boss is just phase 1 of amalgmation from abberus

[rotund oak]

yup they would need to restructure the tree and move around stuff

[soft surge]

manyt things in the tree dont make sense

[balmy condor]

like they just ripped out some notable mechanics and chucked them onto goblins and called it a day for the most part

[soft surge]

they would not need to reconstuct anything the st builds use both dashing and doomblade anyway

[golden loom]

personally think its well designed idk

[balmy condor]

gallywix seems like its probably cool

the slot machine guy is a little interesting cause you gotta pick which 2 coins to insert

the rest just feels like rehashes with new models

like ooooh what's the mythic mechanic for the painsmith boss

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[crisp rapids]

do you guys have some solutions for plater clutter with debuffs? I'm new and I feel like my field of view gets mega cluttered in M+ pulls with unnecessary debuffs? I'd prefer Garrote/Rupture only but idk how to setup plater properly to make it that way

[balmy condor]

your raid gets 2 colors?

red and blue?

and you can't touch the people of the other color?

no waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[soft surge]

use manual buff tracking

[balmy condor]

anyways, back to your clown ass now that I finished my thoughts on a serious question

do you know what a gateway talent is

[soft surge]

i prefer to call it a gatekeep talent but yes

[balmy condor]

okay

in what way is dashing a gatekeep

[soft surge]

doomblade is the gatekeep

[balmy condor]

yes

it is

this is you, no?

in what way is dashing a gateway

[soft surge]

it will feel better in m+ if swapped with doomblade and not harming any raid builds as they use both

[subtle tundra]

no they dont use both

raid build woulnd pick it

[soft surge]

st builds use dashing and doomblade

[subtle tundra]

doomblade

[soft surge]

as of now

[balmy condor]

the raid build would dodge doomblade if you moved them

[subtle tundra]

yes cause sbs

[golden loom]

put caustic spatter there instead, just stack good talent on top of good talent

[subtle tundra]

just remove the whole tree

add rows

where you select one of 3

make them good

[balmy condor]

I mean why stop at stacking good talent on top of good talents

just put CT where improved poisons is

[golden loom]

make CT baseline

[balmy condor]

make everything baseline

it would feel better

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

make dashing passive so we dont have the entire dashing convo

we can chat more about whyspir's cat

[golden loom]

remove energy, I feel like it gatekeeps me from using abilites at certain points

[balmy condor]

mhm

and generating combo points sucks too

just let me use envenom

[golden loom]

but you dont want to wait 1 second between casts right?

remove gcd.

[soft surge]

u guys have any better ideas or what

[subtle tundra]

actually keeping dots kinda sucks

[balmy condor]

yes, leave it as is

[subtle tundra]

they should be permanent as sbs

[balmy condor]

that's the better idea

[soft surge]

thats not how you overcome depression, leaving things as they are

[rotund oak]

[golden loom]

is sin tree really that depressing

[soft surge]

st in mythic+ is

[balmy condor]

the sin tree is one of the better designed spec trees in the whole game

[golden loom]

like dashing isnt gonna make ur world that much better

and if it was that crazy, just drop doomblade and sbs

[balmy condor]

yeah but then he wouldn't be able to rup->rup in aoe and he probably doesn't like that either

[golden loom]

so we are back at removing combo points

[balmy condor]

yes, barriers to things are bad

[soft surge]

everything stays the same except dashing and doomblade switching places

[balmy condor]

yes, that's a negative change

you aren't listening

[rotund oak]

what about bleeds stacking

up to 3

[soft surge]

it would be a positive change, thats a fact and wont be debated

[balmy condor]

I regret unblocking you

[golden loom]

it would be a negative change cause its a bad design choice

even if its small and irrelevant

[rotund oak]

i was an @ssh@l@ for sure

[balmy condor]

not you obviously

[rotund oak]

ah cool,im guilt free

[rotund oak]

just seen it

i think u dont rly understand that u would lock the tree behind db assuming u are using dtb

[stable atlas]

ive tried to check pins but it seems the sim got removed...is bloodmallet up to date regarding racial sims?

[balmy condor]

yes

[stable atlas]

alright ty, seems like different target counts have different races coming out on top

[balmy condor]

that's very normal yes

[stable atlas]

if you don't mind me asking, is there any race you guys would think will pull ahead in tgp environemnt/absolute high keys utility wise or something?

[balmy condor]

no

[stable atlas]

thanks, then we yolo it

[royal lantern]

we achieved warrior

just 1 ability->rampage

[daring hamlet]

anyone know where I can grab whysper's plater profile? I lost all my profiles in a fire and want something quick before raid

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

and wait what

fire??

are you ok buddy?

[daring hamlet]

yeah, probably an ill timed joke - my computer just went to shit sorry

[royal lantern]

no, i was just concerned there for a sec lol

[woven turret]

Hey guys, is it better to have Dawnthread Lining on Rune-Branded Armbands and Rune-Branded Waistband or should I remove one to be able to put Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension on my Everforged Stabber

[balmy condor]

whatever sounds better to you

[woven turret]

I would choose Ascension over Dawnthrad Lining, does it sound reasonable? xD

[balmy condor]

you're choosing between a 1% embellishment and a 1% embellishment

do whatever you want

[woven turret]

âight thanks

[scarlet barn]

I think I have to craft a weapon. It’s been a month and I still have heroic weapons 😔

[nova python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden garden]

Hey, is asa still strong? compared to others and the other rogue speccs. Haven't played retail in a few months

[spice surge]

Yes

[leaden garden]

Top tier? Mid?

[normal mist]

pretty good

[leaden garden]

cool, thank you 🙂

Deathstalker still the play for both m+ and raids?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[final star]

@grand trail

[grand trail]

dosnt look like me

[final star]

[grand trail]

becasue i never die

[final star]

well the group is no more

[grand trail]

5healers and they cant click pillar

[earnest remnant]

[sullen phoenix]

u guys expect tier set changes?

[balmy condor]

aside from bug fixes no

[sullen phoenix]

rip

[balmy condor]

very little ever gets reworked on ptr

they simply don't have the time for it

[sullen phoenix]

ye i totaly understand

maybe sub wont be crap like this one, maybe 🙂

[spice surge]

What

[sullen phoenix]

sub tier, its still bugged right?

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

bugs will obviously be fixed

but sub's tier is very good

and probably very strong

[spice surge]

[sullen phoenix]

i think i already understood i should go sub for next patch, ty for hidden hint :B

[spice surge]

What

[sharp viper]

he didn't say when they would be fixed

[spice surge]

Assa is among the best specs in the game with a shitty tier set right now, getting an new suboptimal tier set isnt suddenly gonna make assa bad

[sullen phoenix]

talking about design of the spec or raw numbers?

[spice surge]

Yes

[sullen phoenix]

dont know how deathstalker is the best design in the game but ok

[mighty vine]

arguably one of the worst in terms of combat flow

[novel star]

ds is literally fine

[spice surge]

Feels are just subjective, but numerically assa is one of the best

Ig if you cant stand not spamming a button every 0.8s assa feels bad

[earnest remnant]

[novel star]

i have to hit an extra mutilate for my mark

hero spec literally unplayable

[sharp viper]

you can have extra buttons with macros to whisper people or use toys and stuff

[supple spindle]

you guys guys

do you know sophie rain?

[sharp viper]

or you can press ambush outside of stealth

like that one guy