assassination

[slate crown]

does leaving the poopamines give you dopamine?

[supple spindle]

at first it did

then i developed popamine dopamine tolerance

and now shitting in people's houses does not provide as much enjoyment as it used to

[slate crown]

you got older

it's ok it happens to us all

[supple spindle]

gotta hit club 27 card for sure

[balmy condor]

They’re variables you set in advanced or expert mode yes

[polar timber]

okay thanks 🙂

[dawn seal]

Morning

[nova python]

just don’t have bad pulls

[dawn seal]

who should I watch to learn brood twister stuff or do I just check llorgs for cd usage

[dapper thicket]

during kingsbane, am I spamming abilities as much as possible, or staying true to the "wait until last second of envenom buff to hit envenom"

[dawn seal]

U never wait

Last second for envenom

Goal is to keep sending envenom with st least 5 cp and 7 on darkest night

[dapper thicket]

in general or only during kingsbane

[dawn seal]

Death mark shiv kingsbane do ur normal rotation it's high likely u have done ur maintance stuff before deathmark so then If kings bane has 8 secs remaining send another shiv at 6 u vanish

[dawn seal]

Always but hitting shiv at correct time takes prio I believe

If u have 7 cp

When kings bane hits 8 secs

Means u shiv first

I think not sure

🤔

Is there an expert person can say somefin

[dapper thicket]

i only have 1 shiv in m+ build. i thought i just sent it before kingsbane and called it a dayu

[dawn seal]

If u have 1 shiv

[dapper thicket]

and i thought we wanted to maximize envenom uptime

[dawn seal]

Shouldn't u send it at last 8

[golden loom]

in m+ just shiv at 8 seconds remaining of kingsbane

[dawn seal]

U do but also

U wanna maximise deathstalker mark

There is no pooling

[golden loom]

and yeah u wanna maximize envenom uptime, in m+ build ur single target is even worse so can just try to not slam as much

[dawn seal]

🤔

[golden loom]

but during cooldowns u just mash

[dawn seal]

Isnt it better to slam it since u swim

In energy tho

[dapper thicket]

why are hte last 8 seconds of kignsbane more important then the first few

[dawn seal]

Oh in single

[golden loom]

you dont swin in energy in m+ singletarget

[dawn seal]

Cuz kings bane ramps up

[golden loom]

cause damage of kingsbane ramps

[dawn seal]

So u pool energy in m+ single target

[golden loom]

and shiv covers 8 seconds, so u want it to be during the final 8 seconds of kingsbane

[dawn seal]

That's sus

!pool

[golden loom]

I mean pool and pool, you are just kinda energy starved

[dawn seal]

But u said u don't wanna slam

[golden loom]

so might aswell try a bit harder to play for envenom uptime, but its kinda whatever

[dawn seal]

Not slaming it means pool8n

🤔

Hm

Let's say my envenom has 5 secs remaining I have 6 cp

What do I do

Trying to learn it

[golden loom]

I mean if ur at 40 energy

you hold a bit

[dawn seal]

Can I send it at 10 energy

[golden loom]

cause what do you do afterwards

[dawn seal]

I can't possibly oh hm

I wait and multilate

As soon as I can

So this is wrong

[vagrant brook]

you wait to refresh envenom

[dawn seal]

What makes it different in raid st

🤔

[golden loom]

you just have more energy in raid ST

[dawn seal]

Hm

Cuz of procs of ambush

[runic hinge]

dashing scoundrel

gives energy

[dawn seal]

What was that

[golden loom]

blindside, dashing

[dawn seal]

I am at work

[golden loom]

the one that makes envenom make ur poisons crit chance higher and poison crits regens energy

[dawn seal]

So no waiting in raid st

This is correct?

We just perma slam

[golden loom]

in theory you would always play around envenom uptime, but in reality its already so high and you have so much energy that you just slam

[dawn seal]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[dawn seal]

🤔

I literally press stuff on cd

On single target raid

[golden loom]

yeah I mean so do I

[dawn seal]

Okei nice

But it says don't blindly spam stuff

[golden loom]

I mean you just have the resources to spam it in raid atm

overcapping energy is worse than slamming

but again, if ur at basically 0 energy with envenom buff ticking, and 5+ combo points, then you would hold a bit

it just barely happens atm

[dawn seal]

Cool

I hate pooling

What do we mean by hold a bit

So not to slam it when u have energy for envenom

In ur example

[dawn seal]

I feel like i am out of energy more than usual

[nova python]

m+ ST and raid ST are different, in ST you with cds you smash like crazy, then you just do normally rotation, no hurry and no slow, in m+ build you have to pool otherwise you will never have energy for your kb/deathmark windows which will cause you to do tank dmg (you u will be spamming shit on cd)

[golden loom]

pooling before cd window is not really needed at all

especially before deathmark, cause you just gain infinite energy from deathmark

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[shy creek]

what do you guys play for alts

everything that isnt rogue seems so meh

[golden loom]

Fury warrior and sub rogue

[balmy condor]

different games

[rare jackal]

real

[shy creek]

Real

fury warrior looks really fun, ive been pmaying prot to level one up to 80

[golden loom]

its very fun ye

[supple spindle]

my brother in christ, i've mained affli lock this season, and it's day and night compared to assa

[shy creek]

LMFAO

I can't play casters man, sitting there hard casting everything

feels like im being morg q'd off cd playing casters

[golden loom]

yeah I played a bit of frostmage at start of patch when ice lance spam was a thing

[supple spindle]

yeah no it was actiully fun, but assa is fun and does damage

[golden loom]

but hardcasting is hard for adhd brain

[shy creek]

legit

even when nothing is hpapening

im jumping

doing my ortation spamming space bar like it was a dps increase

[golden loom]

jumping and a/d spam is a dps increase on melee

[shy creek]

based

[royal lantern]

yeha on affliction you apply dots that deal no dmg and only exist to generate Ressources/buff your ST burst ability

compared to assa where you apply dots that deal no dmg and only exist to generate Ressources/buff your st burst ability

[supple spindle]

amen

the only application for affli = court type bosses

[royal lantern]

i love "dot spec" Design

[shy creek]

lowkey feral looks really fun, but i wish it was a bit better

its current state sorta looks ass

[golden loom]

snapshotting sounds aids

[supple spindle]

i always looked up to people that are able to play feral on competitive level

cuz imo it takes a lot of skill

[shy creek]

meteos lowkey a demon for doing it

[royal lantern]

shien exists

[supple spindle]

who

[royal lantern]

@shrewd night who?

https://tenor.com/view/howieazy-vanish-i'm-out-vanish-meme-disappear-gif-17592945138008698909

[supple spindle]

yeah no this flew past me really high

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/its-ya-boy-punk-its-me-its-your-boy-it-is-me-gif-22168649

[rare jackal]

love punk

[supple spindle]

have you tried cybering it a little?

[quiet oar]

Cyberpunk

[normal mist]

Tiramil did

[shrewd night]

The skill to feral is pretty divided into two categories.

1. It builds your resistance to meow when you do well.

2. There is a distinct skill expression by still want to play feral after ion keeps making a crater out of your ass

[supple spindle]

oh no, im not playing it then

how tf would you NOT meow when you're pumping

[royal lantern]

"its thematic and part of ferals F R I C T I O N that they are the only druid spec that needs to shift forms for their CR, we wont change that"

i will never forget that blue post

[subtle tundra]

prot pala has to use 3 holy power xd

[gloomy heart]

[royal lantern]

*use 3 holy power to rez you after tempered did 2,6million dmg

[quiet oar]

Parry is also thematic and doesnt get removed because of that

[gloomy heart]

[worldly sail]

[ember mural]

[quiet oar]

My kb on queen

Because of her 270 degree Parry range

[worldly sail]

on prog i sped up my opener with low cp finishers just to make sure i can send kb on her back after i got parried a few times

[balmy condor]

how tf you guys get parried so much

[runic basin]

Morning guys, i didn’t played the current raid and have a trial raid next week..any rogue raid guides u can recommend?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lusty kraken]

just get a trickster sub rogue in your raid, pretty sure their unseen blade makes all attacks be unable to be parried, not only theirs (unless they fixed it)

[golden loom]

now thats a crazy raid buff

[runic hinge]

i wanted to get back into feral and then i had 2 of the worst keys ive ever done back to back and it was so bad im assuming the druid is cursed

[supple spindle]

yo parry is still a thing? i thought they removed it ages ago

or y'all trolling?

[drifting cloud]

only on raid bosses

or sometimes when blizz forgets to set a proper lvl to a dungeon boss

[runic hinge]

Iridikron

[shrewd night]

Why feral in keys is pretty based

Just bearform alot

[dawn seal]

Bearweave

Ez

[ebon ingot]

hey guys! is it good to play st build with caustic for Mythic raid or switch to complete aoe build for the adds fights?

[shrewd night]

The former

[runic hinge]

It was a 4 and then a 3 and neither of them got completed soooo the feral dream is just over

[shrewd night]

Why are you doing 3s and 4s

[runic hinge]

My Druid has 0 rating and all my friends and guildies were sleeping

Like actually zero rating. I haven’t done a key in tww

[shrewd night]

Friends were "sleeping" mhmm mhmm

Ill have u know I was awake at 3:30 doing quests in dragonflight zones because I was bored

[clever sapphire]

relatable, my feral is cursed in mists

[runic hinge]

They’re real! I swear

[clever sapphire]

i think i have yet to time a mists on my feral (also only doing like 3-5s)

[runic hinge]

My feral is 615 and will probably stay that way. Those keys were so cursed

The 4 had the bdk die 3 times before the first boss and then alt-f4

[dawn seal]

Do u play crimson tempest on ovinax

[runic hinge]

The 3 ara-kara I got in after had 50 deaths before the warlock doing 300k overall decided to call it quits.

[shrewd night]

Damn

Im just waiting for tuning before I land on what alt to play next tier

I need a third one to cope with my addiction

[clever sapphire]

i hope feral is gonna be in a good state, wanna play it as an alt but it not being in a real good shape is just meh

[runic hinge]

If the assa tier doesn’t get changed or involves some wack pooling I’ll be looking for a new main

[clever sapphire]

sub it is

[runic hinge]

Which will probably be spriest

Yeah maybe sub tbh

I just wish it was gonna be trickster sub

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna go full sub season if assa set stays wack

[clever sapphire]

there is no other sub

[runic hinge]

Like if we have to cringe pool before every finisher idk if I can do a whole season of that

[golden loom]

yes

[dawn seal]

Boyx

[runic hinge]

They keep buffing DS and the tier has shadow damage on it. It fees so much worse to play

[dawn seal]

How do u ultra parse on ovinax

[runic hinge]

Tell everyone else to stop doing aoe

[worldly sail]

you let parasites infest over and over

[dawn seal]

How do I beat everyone in dps

[worldly sail]

[dawn seal]

If I can't say stop dps

[clever sapphire]

let only 3 people do dps

i mean aoe

[dawn seal]

What if I can't say stop dps

[clever sapphire]

you cant log

[golden loom]

idk I havent done mythic ovi but just gotta gigapadd

[clever sapphire]

thats how the boss is

[dawn seal]

is there a strat

[worldly sail]

there is a reason the boss gives 0 allstar points

[clever sapphire]

unless you only let a few people do aoe, you wont be giga logging

[golden loom]

ovi is even more fried than rashanan

[dawn seal]

I just wanna do more dps then others

don't care all star

[clever sapphire]

you wont

[dawn seal]

[clever sapphire]

you dont have the on command 20 target insta burst

like warrior or fdk or whatever

[dawn seal]

[clever sapphire]

or even enha

[dawn seal]

What if

[clever sapphire]

they just place totem

[dawn seal]

I do big dick boss dps

[clever sapphire]

and adds fall over

[dawn seal]

With pure st

[clever sapphire]

thats what i did

went spatter

called it

[dawn seal]

Ohh

[clever sapphire]

i was like 100M boss dmg ahead of everyone else

[golden loom]

like surely this takes skill

[dawn seal]

WHA

NO WAY ITS 5M MAN

[worldly sail]

as i said

they spawn parasites over and over

[dawn seal]

I AM GONNA PARSE GRAY

[golden loom]

its a completely irrelevant boss

[worldly sail]

thats why it gives no points

[dawn seal]

Injust joined a new team with ma rogue

[clever sapphire]

parasite spam

[dawn seal]

I wanna be classy

[dawn seal]

Ehat is cool

[clever sapphire]

just ignore that boss

[dawn seal]

Top fps on boss

Dps

Or just do padding

🤔

[manic coral]

i mean you will do both if u just press buttons in the right order

[worldly sail]

i did both last night because we had no fdk or enha or warriors

[dawn seal]

[worldly sail]

[solar wyvern]

Remove parasite and boss damage from brood

Only spider and worn damage

Let chaos reign

[golden loom]

worm interrupts should be the parse criteria

[dawn seal]

Okay

My team

This is sikran

They don't have shamans

[shrewd night]

The hunt for useful alts is so trash each tier lmao

[dawn seal]

Is hunter buggee

D

Mm deals so much st

[brave comet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LCaJNMRncHKtdZYg?fight=59&type=damage-done
can someone explain this to me. in the damage meter on this boss the other day i was at 1.78m and this dk was first place at 1.9m something

but the logs has me ranked higher than him and both our numbers are lower, what is the explanation?

[worldly sail]

augment evoker too

[golden loom]

or wait

nvm the webs

[runic hinge]

Aug

[dawn seal]

Adds don't count

[balmy condor]

adds count

aug

[golden loom]

adds count

[balmy condor]

[dawn seal]

Oh

[golden loom]

damage on webbed ppl dont tho

[dawn seal]

Ohh

[clever sapphire]

it was some fix or buff or dunno i forgot, was a few weeks back

since then they do massive st

[balmy condor]

auggers

[pastel cradle]

does your playstyle change in keys above 14+? meaning are there certain strats that the team expects you to do differently?

[dawn seal]

Does aug affect so much

[worldly sail]

yes

[shrewd night]

The strat of "dont die" just counts for more

[dawn seal]

Having aug buff on dm is it good

[manic coral]

a bit cursed wiht 4 resto shamans tho

[balmy condor]

I mean it's 100k in that log for the rogue

[supple spindle]

stop aug shitting

best spec in the game

[balmy condor]

250k on the dk

[shrewd night]

ur mom

[dawn seal]

On my raid

[supple spindle]

make aug great again

[dawn seal]

There is a hunter perma getting aug buff and pi

[balmy condor]

idk, seems like good dps

[royal lantern]

by deleting it

yes

[clever sapphire]

for me its always between arcane mage or feral druid

[supple spindle]

consider crying elsewhere this is christian scaily channel

[clever sapphire]

no other spec can really keep me awake

[dawn seal]

How can u check this

[balmy condor]

you literally just hover the dps

[dawn seal]

Oh

[supple spindle]

can i hover over your feet?

[shrewd night]

I might consider a healer this next tier

But we will see how my liver copes

[balmy condor]

[worldly sail]

:whispyrstep:

[supple spindle]

heh testi

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Lmao these two and spriest are the ones I have been trying

[golden loom]

just realized who else is in this run

[brave comet]

ah so the logs basically remove the amount the aug evoker adds?

[balmy condor]

yes

[supple spindle]

i was considering spriest and affli for this season

[balmy condor]

it attributes it to the aug

[supple spindle]

as far as i know both suck

[balmy condor]

or else the aug would be 0dps

[shrewd night]

[runic hinge]

Spriest doesn’t do good damage but it’s pretty fun

[worldly sail]

deserved

[clever sapphire]

ye i tried to play spriest, but somehow i get bored of it

dunno why

[supple spindle]

kinda same for the affli

[clever sapphire]

because i like seeing the spriest ghosts

[shrewd night]

REAL

Thats the best part of spriest

Even if it doesnt get dam, it looks good

[runic hinge]

Yesss massive waves of ghosties

[supple spindle]

spreast was fun during pandaria time running hella lot of ghost, especially if mobs live longer than 1 picosedond

[runic hinge]

Maybe I try archon again. Been mostly playing voidweaver

[shrewd night]

Spriest is dead this season, was very fun last season tho

[solar wyvern]

How do you do this in logs?

Curious to see

[shrewd night]

[solar wyvern]

Okay like

Reading is hard

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind spriest being dead, it had DF to have fun

[shrewd night]

It had dn too

[solar wyvern]

And i cant hover on mobile madge

[balmy condor]

I already sent feet and you can hover them

[supple spindle]

well

yes

[runic hinge]

When did shadow priest have darkest night

[shrewd night]

since they got shadowform?

[runic hinge]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

am i stupid or warcraftlogs api sucks

im stupid

👽

[supple spindle]

you're welcome

[oak eagle]

youre just stupid

[shrewd night]

Was about to say, do you want us to answer that?

[oak eagle]

surprised you didnt know this already Varas

[clever sapphire]

one doesnt deny the other

[balmy condor]

varas using the API what

what in gods name is he cooking

[subtle tundra]

i give up on that api
ill try webscrapping

[supple spindle]

have you tried webcamming?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[supple spindle]

show.

[subtle tundra]

its not a good show

i play with no lights on

[supple spindle]

oh i meant slightly other kind of webcamming, nvm

my bad

[oak eagle]

im happy that whispyr likes sharing with us

i dont have to do any work going into new patches

[solar wyvern]

If it werent for whispyr

I'd be greyparse andy

I'd never know when to press my buttons

[balmy condor]

y'all don't need me for this clown ass spec

maintain gar/rup, stacks cds, spam envenom

[subtle tundra]

we need a clown representative

[balmy condor]

legit whole spec done

that's it

this shit plays itself

[supple spindle]

agreed

[balmy condor]

when do I vanish, sometime in dm I guess

when do I trinket

macro it

[supple spindle]

whispyr god-tier clown

and sexy

[balmy condor]

when do I complete my transmitter what if I transmitter late

doesn't matter

when do I tea

macro it

what about supercharger

doesn't matter

what about pooling

doesn't matter

but my energy

doesn't matter

[bronze pike]

[shrewd night]

Not a real foot.

[bronze pike]

[supple spindle]

judging from whispyr interpretation, it's really just all about envenom uptime in st?

[balmy condor]

it's not even about uptime

in raids you don't even play around the uptime

this spec is fully brainrot

[brave comet]

anyway, if anyone has feedback on this on how to improve i would love it.

[supple spindle]

damn

no wonder it's fun

[clever sapphire]

get skardyns is probably gonna change a lot

[golden loom]

wait so you are telling me my enjoyment of sin rogue is perfectly correlated with my way too high daily instagram reel watchtime

it all makes sense

[shrewd night]

My enjoyment in life as a whole is depending on how much drama I can enjoy from the sidelines

[clever sapphire]

shiv before kb so its fully covered (not big but we also arent talking about a gray log)

and you forgot a shiv on your last kb

[brave comet]

oh you're right

[clever sapphire]

just a as a quick glance over

so skardyns and not forgetting shiv

like here, vanish is also at a seemingly random moment? again not massive but small things adding up (also only 1 shiv so missing out on supercharger)

[brave comet]

yeah, ive not been implementing vanish correctly for sure

i'm not sure where to place it correctly, but i saw people here earlier talking about how it should be in the dm window

[clever sapphire]

last 6 sec of kb

you want it to cover the last part of your kb, because of master assa

extra crit chance on the bigger hitting parts

[midnight mist]

whospar

[royal lantern]

just crit without it

[golden loom]

thats why crit is our most important stat

[midnight mist]

am i losing big dam if i rupture in cooldowns, as long as i still maintain env guy

[golden loom]

u would lose more damage from rupture dropping during deathmark

[subtle tundra]

let him get his spreadsheet

of dps lost per rupture cast

in dm

per number of targets

[midnight mist]

Thanks I will be waiting

[midnight mist]

I more meant like

What if agi buff is dropping cause I put rupture on shitters that are dying

[subtle tundra]

if i scratch my nuts while pressing envenom, does it crit less often

thats how you sound

[midnight mist]

What if I just refresh AOE ruptures

In dm

What happen

[clever sapphire]

not everyone is as good as you aight? we need that extra luck

[midnight mist]

Hey man

[golden loom]

like casting 3 or 4 ruptures?

[midnight mist]

For once I'm interested in your shit spec

!

[golden loom]

I mean you also vanish during cds so u get to do some IC stuff 😎

[shrewd night]

If ur asking about rupture and its value, why aint you calling jpc

[balmy condor]

gotta be autoing for kb

mouseover ruptures I suppose are no dps loss

basically every poison you ever apply for kb is through auto attacks

so as long as you have env buff and auto attack the kb target you can do whatever you want

[midnight mist]

ah i see

i tought not spamming env would be kinda bad

but okok

[royal lantern]

well, envenom does more dmg during cds

so its kinda not ideal cus you "waste" a finisher there that could do more dmg then ussual

but eh, not a big deal in the end, its a single GCD

[midnight mist]

does it

its just trinket mastery or

[royal lantern]

well, shiv is active

during deathmark you have amp poison 2x active

lethal dose is doubled

thats all dmg amps for envenom

you envenom harder during cds

[midnight mist]

dm says "lethal poisons"

i assumed this just meant weapon poisons

is env damage considered that

idk what lethal does is

shiv ye i understand but that would be the end of dm window in m+ anyway

I guess im also potentially in ma

[royal lantern]

amp poison is doubled

[golden loom]

Well envenom does extra damage when it consumes amplifying poison stacks

[royal lantern]

and amp poison is literally just a envenom buff

and lethal dose is "you do % more dmg for every bleed and poison on your enemy"

and dm doubles all poisons/bleeds, so lethal dose gets doubled aswell

[karmic stream]

What's the vibes with deathstalker in next patch, still go to? That shit made me want to stop playing during last two bosses prog

[royal lantern]

rogue got literally 0 changes

[karmic stream]

Every patch note I have some copium. Surely there is still time before patch?

[clever sapphire]

its time for acceptance, we shall be happy if they fix dots proccing the tierset

[tall jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rich cave]

are your guys changing weapons or stuff for some bosses on raid?

[balmy condor]

what

why would you do that

[subtle tundra]

for the funsies

[balmy condor]

is this some secondary stat brainrot that I'm too smart to understand

[royal lantern]

are you using the same dirty knife 6x in a row?

[midnight mist]

What

Bro I think I don't know shit about assa no cap

[royal lantern]

bro zac, read amp poison

lol

thats literally its entire effect

it doesnt do anything else

[midnight mist]

Aaah

It's true

I never read that thing

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

Mb

Why would I be reading fucking poisons man

[royal lantern]

tbf, its just another generic "do passive more dmg" anyway

[balmy condor]

to know how a class works

maybe

[midnight mist]

But does this stack faster than you spend it then

Or is it more of a

Ok if I do one env every 2/3 finisher I spend it fast enough to not overcap

[balmy condor]

no, it has some downtime

not worth playing around at all

[midnight mist]

Ye idk I don't really understand then, if I'm not even at risk of overcaping that thingy, am I losing anything not casting an env during cds

[slow crystal]

am i right in saying its best to macro Skardyns Grace with Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

I think his point was that dm = 2 amp poison = 60% env

[balmy condor]

yes

or 70?

can't remember if it's 30 or 35

[subtle tundra]

the reason its never mentioned is cause it doenst fucking matter to look at it

[balmy condor]

this is ansurek kill first min

so like

[midnight mist]

ye but its not every env that would get 60% amp, only every so often, it doesnt stack fast enough so that i need to spend every finisher on env?

[balmy condor]

bro idk idc

you don't play around it

idk what tryan is yapping about

[midnight mist]

its not about playing around it

[balmy condor]

didn't ask

[midnight mist]

i dont wanna play around it

i just wanna know if im inting pressing a few ruptures inside start of cds

you say no

[balmy condor]

no

[midnight mist]

tryan say yes

[balmy condor]

okay well

tryan says a lot of things

[golden loom]

zac are u using poisoned knife enough?

[midnight mist]

i dont have that bound

[balmy condor]

the odd rupture won't do shit

[midnight mist]

dont get me started

[midnight mist]

i dont need to right

[golden loom]

haha no

but i made u think

W

[royal lantern]

huh

i just said that envenom does more dmg during DM cus of amp poison doubled/shiv active/lethal dose more stacks

nothing more

and also that its not a big deal cus its a single GCD

just that technically envenom is stronger during DM cus some stuff buffs it

[balmy condor]

what does lethal dose have to do with it

confusion

[golden loom]

isnt lethal dose only damage over time stuff

[midnight mist]

ye but considering what i was talking about it wasnt that relevant tho then

[royal lantern]

is that a case of "envenom is a poison but not for this" again?

[golden loom]

honestly no idea maybe it adds damage maybe it doesnt

[balmy condor]

it says weapon poisons?

[royal lantern]

bro, i dont know anymore what on this shit spec counts as poison for everything now or not

[midnight mist]

thats what i said !

[shrewd night]

[midnight mist]

anyway my question was answered

ty guys

you all are amazing

maybe one day i start doing damage as assa

[balmy condor]

the wording is very clear since 10.2 actually

like they've specified poison and weapon poison on everything

[royal lantern]

press cds, keep envenpm running

[blazing pumice]

naked shiv is pretty low value st with m+ build yeah?

[midnight mist]

thats what i had understood from whisp until you started yapping tbf

[balmy condor]

it's not the greatest

[blazing pumice]

like, if it's going to delay casting dm/kb, i should just hold?

[balmy condor]

it's absolutely nothing for aoe though

yeah just hold it

[midnight mist]

then i questioned myself

[bronze pike]

I have a sin fix for u whispyr

[royal lantern]

adding exsang back?

[bronze pike]

No sadly

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRnAaaf_Pm8

the pump is real

bro misses a bit but sends the pain

[balmy condor]

Yeah bro is a cranker

My dual blade barely hits like 300mil lines on the shit he’s hitting for 30bil lines

Kinda insane

Legit 100x my damage

[rotund oak]

love dual blade,so easy for bossing for noobs like me

[subtle tundra]

there's no duplicates on warcraft logs rank pages, right?

as in same person twice

if someone kills a boss and gets better, the previous one gets deleted

(im a private logger idk this shit)

i wonder how much using the api is using it too much

[runic terrace]

Starting progression on M-Queen today. Any tips/advice?

[normal mist]

Don't die

(jkjk)

I'm a heroic Andy I can't be of help

[midnight mist]

Ye

Only in keys you can see a name multiple times

For every key level I think

[royal lantern]

can use step to cancle the pull midair

get a shadowstep macro on a mage/warlock for p3

[runic terrace]

Only the one I'm cloaking or each? Because if I'm stopping I will die immediately, not?

Thanks about the macro, this was planned.

[strange python]

So you can’t possibly be number 1 and 2? Idk why that never crossed my mind

[royal lantern]

every pull

[strange python]

Bro imagine 3 zacros in top 3

[royal lantern]

it puts you in front of the boss

[strange python]

[past roost]

When do you guys use skardyn's

[valid leaf]

Is this real question?

[runic terrace]

Wait, we're talking about Intermission 1 and not the pulls in p3. Right?

[past roost]

Just got it in gb and thinking when is the best time to use it

[past roost]

Yea when is like best time to use it to max usage

[runic terrace]

With DM

[wet dagger]

Macro to deathmark and never think about it again

[past roost]

Cool will do!

[valid leaf]

Usually the best time to use trinkets like these is when you are bursting

[runic terrace]

There's a DM macro with trinket and Pots

[valid leaf]

But ay maybe new cook in town

[midnight mist]

I have r1 and 2 on sikran

It just doesn't show

Only one

[past roost]

Maybe got it somewhere to paste to me

[valid leaf]

I mean u can make it

[runic terrace]

!macro

Hmm

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Skardyn's Grace
/use item:212971
/use item:212970
/use item:212969

[past roost]

Amazing

What pots you using

[runic terrace]

Tempered options

Fleeting tempered potion when in raid

[royal lantern]

yes, intermission

[runic terrace]

Just saw that in a pov, thanks. Since I saw both: Do we cloak the 1st or 2nd pull in? Is one preferred for CDs?

[royal lantern]

you dont really use cds for intermission

used cloak on the 2nd pull cus our healers always struggled a bit there and in p2 there is no moment where you need cloak

[dawn seal]

Wtf is this ring dps

[royal lantern]

that doesnt seem right

[serene solar]

'

People are having everyone but 4 people run this set up. The roaring procs the 4 dps people's Thunderlord gem. Dying procs that effect instantly so when the boss is low.... they all jump off

Stupid parse bs

The 4 dps just get a ton of thunderlord procs from everyone else's roaring gems and then at the end get a ton of procs at once

[clever sapphire]

you only need the yellow gem, the rest is whatever afaik

[serene solar]

Yeah

[clever sapphire]

wanted to correct since you said run this setup

which would mean all 3 gems, wasnt sure if i knew it correctly

[serene solar]

I think they are running it cause the healing was super good before they nerfed it (or its getting nerfed... idk if its in the game yet) so this way they could all stay healthy while doing this for the dps

[mighty gust]

It was just the war citrine

[clever sapphire]

from what i read in the wowhead post its only getting nerfed in 11.1

so the healing gems stay the same this patch

[serene solar]

Oh damn

I didn't read the post, I was just told it was getting nerfed.

[royal lantern]

but yeha ok

degenerate Parse shit

[serene solar]

Yupppp

[royal lantern]

the ussual

[clever sapphire]

well it said 11.1 ptr patch

[valid leaf]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxcKOl11JupMNCgMjYwf59eYM1Vf3rlO-Q?si=o-lPN6MphBegywyG

Working as intended

Never abuse

Ever evolving technology

[spice surge]

This was before the fix though

When pets dying counted as a death for the proc, they dont anymore, so it would be noticeably less

[brave comet]

i have a total of 44 dungeon runs, 36 of them are grim batol

i am FREE

[valid leaf]

Took u long enough

[royal lantern]

the nefarious new m+ season on the horizon:

[spice surge]

Well the next seasons on-use is from the raid and not m+

So you get to complain about not winning the rolls in pugs until week 17 when you can buy it from dinars

(were in week 19 of nerubar palace now btw for reference)

[royal lantern]

that renow system is so bad

like

[valid leaf]

Wait

Theres renown system?

[royal lantern]

bruh, forcing you to clear normal/hc every week

cool

[valid leaf]

For dinars?

[serene solar]

Yeah raid rep

[valid leaf]

What a fucking clueless developers

[serene solar]

Certain ranks unlock things. Dinar is behind that system

[royal lantern]

i love being in a 2day guild, and being forced to raid 3days a week anyway

[spice surge]

What

[valid leaf]

I mean forcing renown is tragic

Reminds me of Korthia

[royal lantern]

well, how do you get kills for the renown/finery when mythic prog gets saved?

[spice surge]

Do 1 lfr wing

[valid leaf]

But why would u force players to that

[spice surge]

It doesnt

[brave comet]

then quit

[valid leaf]

Well its rep

Its a grind probably

[spice surge]

Its not

Read it

[valid leaf]

I mean ive seen enough

Its 20 levels of renown

Too long

I mean sure if someone has time to play 10 hours a day its nothing

Thats basic stuff for them

[spice surge]

You clearly havent read the post

[royal lantern]

you get rep by killing raid bosses/mobs

and 1 level a week

[valid leaf]

I mean raid is 5k rep

[royal lantern]

aka 20weeks of clearing the raid if you want it maxed out

[valid leaf]

Ive seen enough

So u need total of 5 cleard raids

[royal lantern]

and the raid buff is based on the renown level

[valid leaf]

If lfr/normal/hc all give the rep

[royal lantern]

i want to ask "can you read"

[valid leaf]

So it is a grind

[spice surge]

Genuinely

[royal lantern]

but then i saw yellow and remeber

[spice surge]

Can you read?

[royal lantern]

its 1 rank a week

[midnight mist]

not sure about noticeably]

[royal lantern]

literally 1 of the first things they say

[valid leaf]

Bro i skipped that part

Sorry

That’s alright

[brave comet]

outlaw is gonna be better than assassination next season

[valid leaf]

Still making raid renown is shit system and should never exist

Clueless devs 101

[pliant remnant]

Can you tell me what to main in 11.2 pls

[brave comet]

beast mastery cause you suck

the hell would i know

[pliant remnant]

Now you're catchin' up

[spice surge]

Why wouldnt it be noticeably less? Theres tons of classes with spawned pets

[midnight mist]

cause its already like 15 procs per death

which is an absurd number

adding a few pets doesnt change much

i mean you can peep some logs

people are still using it

pet or not

[spice surge]

Well ye but 45 procs per death is way bigger than 15

[midnight mist]

no not that way

uh

if 15 person have the gem

[spice surge]

Ye

I know

[midnight mist]

every death is 15 proc (1 per person)

so 15 death is 15 * 15

adding a few pets doesnt hcange much

i mean its hwat

hunters

and maybe some wl or whatever idk

its already an insane amount of procs either way

[golden loom]

mages locks

[spice surge]

Shamans, DKs, priests, warlocks, monks with celestials, mages

[royal lantern]

i respect your hater energy

[past roost]

@golden loom thanks for help yesterday improved so hard haha

and @balmy condor

[normal mist]

Pog W

[valid leaf]

[spice spire]

Gz gamer

[golden loom]

hugee 🔥

[final forum]

do you have have any BiS settings for plater? when doing doungeons, the naneplates keep switching places, moves all the time and sometimes overlap ( using stacking nameplates btw). How much spacing do you use and so on..? Asking for a friend, who is new to playing dot specs... reallt, its not me xD

[spice spire]

I’m basic and just copied a player from the discord

And have been using it forever

[valid leaf]

Dorki plater is really good

Has everything u asked for but i dont know will it be visually appealing to your friend

[final forum]

atm im using quazii's profile, which i like. but i may have fucked up some general settings or something else 😅

[valid leaf]

But pro tip

Take platers from “pro” high ranked tanks

Those are the best

[spice spire]

Weird way to say Cev king

[normal mist]

[coral ibex]

people who complain about nameplates moving too much are definitely also moving too much

[final forum]

haha

[coral ibex]

stop strafing for 3 seconds

[keen spruce]

I took cev’s and changed some of the spacing and the y-axis buffer so the plates don’t all stack up at the top of the screen as easily

[coral ibex]

the nameplates will stand still

[normal mist]

Tank: challenge accepted

[slim pebble]

Does anyone have a rough estimate of dps loss for running double vanish in raid?

I’m at work and can’t sim

[keen spruce]

Mainly fiddled until I could actually click on nameplates on the first pull of sv

[keen spruce]

Like in a patchwerk?

[slim pebble]

Yes.

[keen spruce]

Gotta be at least your left foot and a kidney’s worth

[slim pebble]

True

[keen spruce]

You’re trading 4 damage nodes for 4 not damage nodes

[coral ibex]

the real question is why

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

if it’s for silken tombs on queen, you should just break free via incidental cleave on the one set you don’t have a vanish or cloak

[slim pebble]

It is. We’re getting broken out slow and dying to web blades while entombed. Happened a few times last night and was just curious how big the loss is

Cause I can’t do any damage while dead

[keen spruce]

Go gnome

[valid leaf]

I doubt you not dying is enough

[midnight mist]

prolly better to not vanish teh first set then

first set is during cds and should die easely

also no blades during it iirc

[slim pebble]

Didn’t think of this. Dps loss to not vanish can’t be that big

[worldly sail]

well first set lines up with dps vanish if you have MA talented (real gamers play crimson tempest )

[nova aspen]

around 35-45k dps

[royal lantern]

shut up

[slim pebble]

It does. But I’d rather live later in the fight

[royal lantern]

:C

[worldly sail]

true also i dropped MA for sanguine blades for some pulls on prog just so i don't have to send vanish for dps

[royal lantern]

its bad, and honestly, if you struggle with webs at this point its really kinda weird overall idk

like, dont you have a single warrior/paladin/hunter/shaman/dh that instant clears them solo in 2 seconds?

[nova aspen]

it actually simmed -26k or so, but i figured more since it assumes u use the vanish properly

[slim pebble]

Oh people are cleared really quickly, we just got left 😂

[royal lantern]

stack better

😄

[coral ibex]

that is crazy to me lol

are your warriors and paladins afk?

i get broken out incidentally if i miss the vanish timing in the opener

[golden loom]

if the burst damage class isnt bursting then what are they doing in the raid

[royal lantern]

like, sometimes my Pull Vanish is a bit later cus no Mut crits for the first rupture/envenom

and im broken out before i can press vanish lol

[coral ibex]

exactly

[slim pebble]

Im sure its super fast in the opener, I vanish during that one cause its part of the rotation. That’s why I was thinking about delaying vanish for second set and cloak for 3rd

[humble ginkgo]

are there no PTR channels

for 11.1

[spice surge]

No

[humble ginkgo]

weird

[spice surge]

Theres not much to talk about anyway

[humble ginkgo]

thats true

[slim pebble]

Our tier set is broken, our rotation isn’t changing, and our pets heads are falling off

[clever sapphire]

you could have just said "we got no changes"

why say many word, when few word do trick

[valid leaf]

The fact rupture ticks consumes stacks is amazing

[clever sapphire]

i mean thats 100% changing

no shot thats intended

[valid leaf]

5/5

I hope

[clever sapphire]

but like its blizzard

what do i know

[valid leaf]

So true

[clever sapphire]

for all i know they could change it so poison ticks proc it

[midnight mist]

[hardy dagger]

[coral ibex]

ring funneling gross

[brave comet]

what boss is this

[hardy dagger]

Kyvezza

[winged sun]

ur a kyveza

[winged sun]

Careful dont play s1 tierset on ptr otherwise andybrew will get mad

[slim pebble]

Is that the dude who is dating that one e girl

[winged sun]

Hes kinda weird

Ye he is

I think so forgot

[valid leaf]

Isnt that the dude who used pills to make him happy?

Because he was depressed

And hapiness is compressed in a pill

[winged sun]

ok u dont have to be that toxic

💀

My guy flamed me for 1 hr straight for wearing s1 tier set

Not knowing that s2 doesnt work

[valid leaf]

Side effects of happy pills

[winged sun]

Even tho i clearly said it doesnt work

💀

[valid leaf]

Wait was that toxic from me?

Sorry if it was

[winged sun]

Nah he was toxic to me so

[valid leaf]

I just recall him from a tweeter post saying he is depressed after he joined echo or something like that

[winged sun]

I was chill tho so i didnt say anything

No idea why he’d get toxic when i didnt say anything

Then he said

“No way u called the shaman for 5 keys ago microwaved”

Thats so toxic of you

[valid leaf]

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[valid leaf]

The ouf guy?

[dapper cradle]

Lmaoooo

[winged sun]

Thats when i got triggered

Because the enh literally did 0 dps

Competing with tank

Calling him microwaved was totally respectful

[winged sun]

Ye

He deleted those tweets afaik

Naowh had to raid for echo this tier he didnt like it at all

[dapper cradle]

Bro thinks playing the same game 10 hours a day will make him happy

[winged sun]

So he left right after killing queen after 1 week

[dapper cradle]

Ngmi tbh

[winged sun]

I mean u can

U just dont have to be a slave for the game

Do some real life shit here and there

[dapper cradle]

You mean like those VR hentai games?

Where you’re strapped to your chair

[spice spire]

Dog what

[winged sun]

those are downbad

Wtf

Ye dog what

[brave comet]

wtf, you can hit 2.2m on kyveza

[spice spire]

Mfs will do anything except talk to women

[brave comet]

whats your ilvl

whats your gear

[winged sun]

dating e girls 2025 meta

[hardy dagger]

Not me lol

[winged sun]

For introverts

[spice spire]

Meta this meta that how about you met-a hoe

[winged sun]

Good one

[valid leaf]

Blud got hoed

[winged sun]

Brb haircut

[subtle tundra]

whats a women

[valid leaf]

[dapper cradle]

Down horrendous

[subtle tundra]

i love MEN

[winged sun]

[valid leaf]

Get cooked quake

Holy

Main course is served

[fallow canopy]

who doesn't?

[spice spire]

I clown 25/8 and I’ll eat ur ass too king

[winged sun]

I clown 25/8 and I’ll eat ur ass too king

[spice spire]

Don’t ever sass me like that again or I’ll blow up ur pops prostate

[winged sun]

Don’t ever sass me like that again or I’ll blow up ur pops prostate

[dapper cradle]

Haha noooo stop haha I don’t want that haha noooo

[hardy dagger]

[valid leaf]

This discord used to be less fruity

This skittles levels of rainbowness

[spice spire]

This is literally not true

[coral ibex]

blame quake for being too sweet

[spice spire]

Yeah I eat too much pineapple mb mb

[valid leaf]

I mean i dont mind

[coral ibex]

[shy axle]

how do i have to interprete the different builds for m+ right now ? i thought there is the MA/non MA version and you can switch around a few points like sbs, ttk, that 10% böeed dmg/instakill capstone etc. Just looked at the spreadsheet and the non IW and IW builds there under dungeonslice and they seem to prefer the left route for zoldyk. Just interested in general, how do you pick, are there any builds you would only use in a specific dungeon?

[spice spire]

Yeah I only non IW mists.

Outside of that it’s just what the team needs if I swap nodes around

[valid leaf]

What ever u click in the talent tree is good and can be of use

Iron wire if you pug is a must

U cant trust this fotm prot pals

They dont know they can silence w avanger

[spice surge]

Honestly just pick whatever you feel like, theres very little difference

[spice spire]

Based eleem

[valid leaf]

And playing iron wire will just make your healer respect you abit much

[shy axle]

just saw that some build go the right way and some the left and interested in the thought process behind it. i guess zoldyk path offers more st that assa lacks in m+ (?) in comparison to the ma double vanish build?

[spice spire]

It provides damage in general.
It’s not just ST

[spice surge]

I wouldnt go zoldyck

[spice spire]

But it’s a lot to get there

[spice surge]

Stick with scent

[valid leaf]

Do you want me to dig out whisypr yapp about viable builds?

[spice spire]

Which is why a lot of builds don’t

[spice spire]

Hold I got a sauce build for you

[valid leaf]

If i recall it’s something like 550+ viable assa builds

[shy axle]

i know its not only st, but there are some st nodes like the ambush proc

[valid leaf]

So build according to personal preference

[shy axle]

should have worded it better

[subtle tundra]

that build has negative synergy with aug

[subtle tundra]

you dont want it

[spice spire]

Thoughts?

[valid leaf]

Raging week is back

I guess

[spice spire]

VV my goat

Whispyr ran this in a rat 10 or 11 siege whatever

[valid leaf]

I mean not even cooked

[spice spire]

And was still top dam with me on priest and some other rat

[clever sapphire]

isnt this the highest simming dslice build or some shit like that

[valid leaf]

Sudden demise + zold in low keys

[spice spire]

Nothing matters

[valid leaf]

Go ham

[spice spire]

No

[spice surge]

Bleedmaxxing for the biggest sudden demises is very fun in low keys