assassination

[royal lantern]

wasnt that KJ in legion

[spice spire]

Yet you’re a ghuuner

Curious

[earnest remnant]

yuhp

[simple garden]

hello. a noob question. Should you always use it in macro, shiv+thistle tea. Should you always throw it away with 1 charge of tea? Or can you use it without having charges?

[royal lantern]

can use it, it doesnt make a real difference

[spice spire]

You shiv with kb, with that setup you’ll always have a charge with kb

And that’s why they do it

[royal lantern]

^

[simple garden]

ok, and another thing. When you use death mark, and there are 6 seconds left for the debuff to end, do you have to use vanish + garrote?

[spice spire]

It’s optimal yes

Well in raid with ma

[marble hemlock]

huh?

oh

idk, like 8mil maybe?

[earnest remnant]

[midnight mist]

i mean maybe but since i started the game it hasnt been the case really so

[ember mural]

S2 bfa with triple outlaw meta

Keep your wits about you

Also rip reaping

[midnight mist]

in sls melees were unplayable, outlaw was "meta" as in doing bottom key damage but you needed a melee and outlaw was the "best" melee, still half that expac it was sub in m+, in df outlaw was meta in s3, at least as meta as it ever going to get, you could play it in the highest keys granted it wasnt part of the actual meta comp, but that is completly fine

all the while outlaw is the meme spec of the 3 in raid for as long as i have played the game

[earnest remnant]

ever since it became outlaw

apart from the 1 week at the start of Legion

[royal lantern]

well, doesnt change that it is that way

[midnight mist]

I'm confused how it even matters

"outlaw was good 4 years ago so it's fine that it's dogshit now"

What does that even mean

I don't get it

[spice spire]

Dogshit is a strong term

[royal lantern]

i dont think you know what dogshit actually is lol

[spice spire]

It’s definitely not

[midnight mist]

It's one of the few specs that is actively int in high keys

[valid leaf]

If anyone knows here what is dogshit id say thats zac

[royal lantern]

dogshit is "sub for the entirety of BfA"

or dogshit is "assa at SL launch where it needed a frking 40% aura buff"

or dogshit is "outlaw in raids during Legion"

[shy heron]

#outlaw

[royal lantern]

not what outlaw is rn lol

[midnight mist]

Doesn't change my point tho, why can I not talk about it because it was good 4 years ago

I'm confused

[earnest remnant]

what even started the convo?

[valid leaf]

Me

[royal lantern]

"assa cant be balanced because its talents are too strong"

[valid leaf]

I didnt say that

[midnight mist]

i just dont understnad this statement

as if anything i was saying had no value just because i didnt play 10 years ago when outlaw was dominating

[spice spire]

It was also good in sl season 4, where it was the highest damage spec in the game, and was the go to rogue spec for all of df

Like outlaw has been the ideal m+ spec for rogue forever

[royal lantern]

^

[spice spire]

Sub creeped up a tier in sl

[midnight mist]

I mean what

[simple garden]

I'm looking at the guides but one thing is not very clear to me. In both AOE and ST, after doing the bleed rotation, can I put in Death Mark and Kingsblade or do I have to do the Tempest + Mutilate rotation and have everything well equipped?

[spice spire]

And sin had s3

[midnight mist]

In m+?

Sub has been played more since I started the game

I started in sl

[golden loom]

spread bleeds for energy (garrotte rupture), cast crimson tempest, muttilate a prio target that is ruptured to apply casutic spatter, evenom -> go into cooldowns on that target to spread spatter big damage

[midnight mist]

Was the go to spec for all of df

Is weird to say

When it was only good in S3

You played sub in m+ every season basically

[earnest remnant]

sub was played in
Season 2 SL with edge of night
Season 1-2 in DF and outlaw was about the same in season 1 output wise

so thats about half

[valid leaf]

True?

[midnight mist]

s1 was sub tho

s2 was sub

im confused

[royal lantern]

SL S1 was outlaw everywhere until the last 2 months of the patch lol

[midnight mist]

Sl was funny cause it did 0 damage yet people brought it in keys

But then after s1 it was sub every other season so

[primal jolt]

man i didn't play for a few months, i log back on just now and sin got like 5 dps buttons

[midnight mist]

Idk

[royal lantern]

like, S1 outlaw was the play cus assa and sub sucked HARD

assa needed a frking 40% aura buff in SL S1, sub needed multiple fixes aswell

[primal jolt]

[valid leaf]

U brought rogues for control

[midnight mist]

I mean assa wasn't played for all of sl

[valid leaf]

U could play any spec u want

[midnight mist]

In m+

Righteous place tho

[simple garden]

What he usually does in aoe with many targets is: ambush/garrote, rupture x2 + garrote, muti, tempest, + cd's, death, kings etc.

[midnight mist]

Stay in raid

[earnest remnant]

thats what i said?

[primal jolt]

i was sin in SL

[valid leaf]

Alot of people was sin

[earnest remnant]

season 1-2 of df was sub but outlaw did the same dmg as sub in season 1

[royal lantern]

and SL S2 was honestly just "rogue"

all 3 specs where bonkers with Edge of Night, sub somewhat better, but we talk about #1 #2 and #3 here lol

[primal jolt]

i actually never played any other rogue spec

[valid leaf]

Thats sad

[midnight mist]

in s1 df ?

[valid leaf]

Did u atleast play any other class

[midnight mist]

i mean maybe in low keys

[primal jolt]

yes, monke

[midnight mist]

im not really talking about low keys tho

[earnest remnant]

i played both in high keys

[valid leaf]

That’s something

[midnight mist]

In df ?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[midnight mist]

No you didn't

Not after the first few weeks

[hollow river]

[earnest remnant]

okay i didnøt

cba

[valid leaf]

This discussion is evolution of brain rot

Rotmaxxing

[primal jolt]

patient 0

[meager ermine]

[hollow river]

holy shit something we agree on vrgW

[midnight mist]

outlaw

[primal jolt]

closest I've gotten to other rogue specs is hero talents

[midnight mist]

sub

surely there is a better spec here

[humble verge]

say what now

sub balling in m+ now

[primal jolt]

sub too hard for my sin brain

[humble verge]

wait nvm

zac lied

sadge

oh nvm

its from another season

[valid leaf]

We agree on many things except pvp being active

[humble verge]

no wonder

[spice spire]

To your credit I just ran back through r.io and sub did have a majority in s2-3 of sl and 1-2 of df.
However, the issue comes that outlaw is generally not very behind in play. But when it’s an outlaw season no other rogue is being played

Also I checked too end keys because shitter tend don’t matter

[earnest remnant]

sometimes i wish people would read my argument before arguing with me

[spice spire]

And s2 and 3 of df was dominated by the same 3 specs anyway

[primal jolt]

i remember always being told by outlaws in SL to stop playing shitter sin spec

[marble hemlock]

youre wrong

also, what are you talking about?

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud

[hollow river]

but.. i have... the data.. 🤓

[marble hemlock]

didnt ask, horny man

[midnight mist]

What was your argument

If they ddj the same damage people would play either

[earnest remnant]

i said sub was played in season 1-2 of df but outlaw did the same dmg in season 1

[midnight mist]

But they don't

[valid leaf]

True and i am sorry for not trusting you

You tha goat

[midnight mist]

Ye well that's a lie

Otherwise you would be playing outlaw and not sub

[valid leaf]

[midnight mist]

Do the same damage > everyone plays sub

[valid leaf]

Some people play for fun zac

[spice spire]

Yeah because sub was GIGA easy

[valid leaf]

Not everyone is damage mogul

[spice spire]

Compared to outlaw. Fotms will go to the easier version

In m+

[primal jolt]

everyone knows sub players don't exist, let's get real

[earnest remnant]

sub did the same dmg but was 50x easier to play and had prio if needs be and pretty much just as tanky

[marble hemlock]

and better burst

[valid leaf]

I mean I’ve never seen a good m+ sub player i doubt they exist

Raidwise alot of them are good

[marble hemlock]

ye i only played sub for a bit in SL, but beyond that i never played it

[primal jolt]

the fuck is a sub, anyway

[spice spire]

Bottom

[marble hemlock]

@spice spire

[midnight mist]

They did the same damage but sub had burst, better aoe, better prio ..

[spice spire]

S2 changed you

[primal jolt]

[midnight mist]

So sub is better

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m literally fucking ur pops rn

[marble hemlock]

is that why he was yawning when i called him 5 minutes ago?

makes sense

[midnight mist]

Anyway I'm just responding to the "outlaw has been the only m+ spec forever"

Which is literaly not true

[earnest remnant]

half

[midnight mist]

Maybe before I started playing ye

[earnest remnant]

half since forever

take it or leave it

[valid leaf]

Thats a click bait take to make you angry

Fr fr

[midnight mist]

Idk

[spice spire]

Yeah he was sleepy since he just got his prostate blown tf up

[midnight mist]

I mean it's whatever

[valid leaf]

Zac

[marble hemlock]

dont think youd be sleepy after that, unless it bored you to death

[spice spire]

My only issue was “outlaw is dogshit” has only been an accurate argument for like

[valid leaf]

Ur rank 4 rogue world u play all 3 rogue specs and ur at the top since sl

[primal jolt]

outlaw > cringe
sub > isn't real
sin >

[subtle tundra]

Fuck you

[spice spire]

One patch in sl

[valid leaf]

Why argue

Ur better then them

Let it go

[spice spire]

You ever busted a nut so fat you just had to sleep

[subtle tundra]

True

[spice spire]

That was him

[royal lantern]

no

assa > 🍆

[marble hemlock]

that make you sleepy, not him buddy

[fallow canopy]

The messiah

[midnight mist]

i consider myself r3 cause chinese cheating

its ok tho

[primal jolt]

assa>

[valid leaf]

U get the point

[marble hemlock]

doubt you can just fall asleep after having your ass gaped

[coral ibex]

wanna try?

[spice spire]

You’ve clearly never had ur prostate blown tf up because he got me with the wall painting

Ya feel

[midnight mist]

otl is dogshit rn

[subtle tundra]

I don't doubt that. I know that

[marble hemlock]

ye, i didnt, but im glad to have you as an expert on that topic

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-glasses-what-surprised-confused-gif-26312198

[subtle tundra]

Why is an outlaw out scoring me

Check mate

Loser

[primal jolt]

my entire existence of playing sin has been a cope of being noticed by blizzard

[valid leaf]

Because he has a team

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

I do too

[valid leaf]

Then your team is worse then his

Simple as that

[primal jolt]

aug release flashbacks

[subtle tundra]

Ah yes only reason someone has more score

[fallow canopy]

Is wall painting an euphemism?

[spice spire]

No he literally painted the wall with his cum

[valid leaf]

Only reason is more playtime most likely

[subtle tundra]

Not the amount of time invested

[marble hemlock]

m+ is all about skill and not at all about how much time you spend

[earnest remnant]

m+ meme content since bfa anyway

[spice spire]

It is not

[marble hemlock]

fucking real

[midnight mist]

i play assa

[spice spire]

Dogshit is like

[midnight mist]

or is wox out scoring you

[spice spire]

Unplayable in anything above a 12

[midnight mist]

in my world it is

[marble hemlock]

based on that metric, nothing is dogshit

[earnest remnant]

your world needs a reality check bucko

[midnight mist]

maybe

[spice spire]

Not this tier

[valid leaf]

Bucko hits different

[earnest remnant]

im mostly just messing with him

[spice spire]

Assassination s1 sl?

Dogshit

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

but half the specs in this game are better than outlaw at basical ly everything in my world

[fallow canopy]

Ah yes ofc silly me

[midnight mist]

skill issue

[primal jolt]

assassination is always number 1 in my heart ❤️

[subtle tundra]

What a skewed world

[midnight mist]

now is outlaw good in 12s

sure is

idc about 12s tho

[valid leaf]

Varas play with speed again

[spice spire]

That’s tuning. It’s okay to not have every single tier being the dominant spec

[valid leaf]

He will be monk crims will be frost mage

U press evis and have score

[spice spire]

I’d have the same issue if it were sub

[subtle tundra]

TRUE

[valid leaf]

The golden era

[subtle tundra]

I should just play with the best players

And I get score

[valid leaf]

Thats rogue for you

[midnight mist]

my spec is unplayable in raid every season, and then its barely playable in m+ 1/3 of the seaons

[subtle tundra]

Paying for the sins of bfa

Always will

Stop crying

Your golden age is over

[earnest remnant]

you kinda set yourself up for dissapointment if you want good tuning for the top 0.01% of the playerbase

its not gonna happen

[dapper cradle]

season 2 outlaw redemption arc gonna go crazy

[earnest remnant]

the waffle outlaw arc

frfr

[valid leaf]

I mean who plays for score will play what is strong

[humble verge]

honestly

[valid leaf]

Who plays for fun will play what he enjoys

[humble verge]

if sub is doing as good as it is in raid

[valid leaf]

Like why we cooking

[humble verge]

i might swap

for next season

[valid leaf]

Bro sent voice msg on discord

We are certified cooked levels

[marble hemlock]

its not me bucko

people dont know their memes anymore these days

smh

[dapper cradle]

bucko going wild in here

[marble hemlock]

ye

[valid leaf]

Here u go boys

U need this tech

[spice spire]

Where’s the whispyr clip

[earnest remnant]

dont worry i remember

[royal lantern]

mate, most of them where infants at that time

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gambling-gamble-gambler-gambling-addiction-gif-25801242

[humble verge]

outlaw

me when i outlaw

and gamba

[subtle tundra]

Guys my team is asking me to get more st

How cooked am i

[proven jasper]

[marble hemlock]

they want you to play enhance?

[valid leaf]

Tell your tank to pull on boss

[spice spire]

Time to roll enhance

[humble verge]

yes

thats what they want seli

[subtle tundra]

My enhance is elemental

[humble verge]

what even is your comp varas

[humble verge]

[marble hemlock]

then why tf they looking at you for boss dam

[fallow canopy]

Based

[subtle tundra]

Were the only assa ele comp

[earnest remnant]

"special needs comp"

[spice spire]

You’re about to be a blue man comp

[royal lantern]

kinda based

[marble hemlock]

well they have varas

[earnest remnant]

exactly

[midnight mist]

Play outlaw

[subtle tundra]

I might try to play like dashing + legendary gem

[humble verge]

dont remind me of my subpar comp, ive somehow timed 2 16gbs with bdk, rsham, me, retpal and then first ele and 2nd time arcane kek

[subtle tundra]

For 1 night

For fun

[midnight mist]

Varas

Did you know

[subtle tundra]

No..

[midnight mist]

My best key is an outlaw key

[subtle tundra]

I'm stupid

[humble verge]

atleast the bdk is like #1 eu

[midnight mist]

How cooked am I

[subtle tundra]

You're cocked

[midnight mist]

Nice

[proven jasper]

Cuh playing outlaw

[midnight mist]

I play assa

Im an assa main

But I dabble in outlaw from time to time

[valid leaf]

Assa ele is your comp

And you are shocked u have less score then outlaw

[humble verge]

why is your sham playing ele

[proven jasper]

Yeah but what if assa outlaw

comp

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

Who is playing ele

[proven jasper]

[midnight mist]

Assa ele is like

[humble verge]

his teammate

[midnight mist]

0 st comp

[spice spire]

Man had to play sin one tier

[midnight mist]

Actual cooked

[valid leaf]

No boss damage is assa ele

[subtle tundra]

👽

[valid leaf]

Most cooked comp eu

[midnight mist]

Omegalul

Yo varas

[subtle tundra]

Ele does st

[midnight mist]

No cap

Play outlaw

[valid leaf]

Ele does st?

[midnight mist]

Real

[valid leaf]

Ok ur cooked fr fr

[subtle tundra]

Yes

But if he dies with spymaster

He won't...

[valid leaf]

He does st with full cds and 40 stack spy

[midnight mist]

More than assa

[humble verge]

wait varas

are you playing with a fucking kirapal fanboy?

[subtle tundra]

?

[midnight mist]

Everyone is a kira fanboy

[subtle tundra]

Idk what you're talking about

[valid leaf]

Well kira is the most aware tank

[midnight mist]

If your tank isn't a kira fanboy

[subtle tundra]

I'm playing with my guildies

[valid leaf]

Everyone is

[humble verge]

oh

[midnight mist]

Wtf is he even doing

[humble verge]

i thought i found your char

kekw

so youre not 3,5k

[valid leaf]

His char is legit

Varas

[humble verge]

there was another

Váras

[subtle tundra]

3560 smth

[midnight mist]

If your tank doesn't mention kira 3 times a key you know you are cooked

[humble verge]

thats why i figured

yeah

literally you

[subtle tundra]

Hey we got 2 score yesterday

[valid leaf]

Thats sad but true

[midnight mist]

Huge

[subtle tundra]

Huge time improvement on mists 18 after wiping on first boss in 19

[humble verge]

removing in 3 seconds

[midnight mist]

First boss is so cringe

I still don't understand it

[humble verge]

wait

how is the ele damage on first boss

like in terms of yours pumping

[midnight mist]

At least it's a range

[humble verge]

well yeah

[subtle tundra]

It was our first time in 19

[midnight mist]

So vara can stay in melee

Huge value

[subtle tundra]

It was like a test run

[valid leaf]

I mean playing ele when enha exists is wild

[subtle tundra]

We had cooked cds

[subtle tundra]

It's a ele 1 trick it's like asking elbroibo to play ele

[humble verge]

did you 3 phase the first boss in 18?

[midnight mist]

Ye elem is only the second best spec in the game

Why would you do that

Right

[subtle tundra]

We have same kill timer

As other groups

[valid leaf]

I mean compare the damage profiles

[subtle tundra]

???

[valid leaf]

If you play for score u cant be an otp

[humble verge]

idk what the fuck the same kill timer is dawg

is it 2 phase or 3

[slate crown]

Personally I think Eleem is the best spec but that’s just me

[midnight mist]

2 phase

[humble verge]

alright

[midnight mist]

You do one phase to like 40%

[valid leaf]

If you play to be an otp then shut the fuck up and enjoy the game no?

[subtle tundra]

Your answer tells me you haven't done a mist above 15

[midnight mist]

Then last phase is no cd mega cringe

And boss either die without resending cds

[subtle tundra]

You can't 3 phase

[midnight mist]

Or not

So that's uh

[subtle tundra]

If you 3 phase you go 1 key lower

[midnight mist]

1min 30 + 2 min

[humble verge]

man

time to do another fucking

[midnight mist]

So kill timer is about 3 min

[humble verge]

16 db that i dont need

😴

i just wanna do the keys im missing to reach cutoff

under by 3 points

[subtle tundra]

Also why would I flame the ele for playing the 2nd best spec in the game when I didn't reroll

Boomy

Or dk

[humble verge]

because playing rogue is based?

[valid leaf]

Why would u flame at all

Your comp saves time on aoe

[midnight mist]

Boomie does more AOE idk

[subtle tundra]

My comp can't kill skarmorak

[midnight mist]

Boomie does more everything

[valid leaf]

Its a hard boss

[humble verge]

pain

[subtle tundra]

Yea but playing our comp is even harder

[midnight mist]

Does elem have tempest

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[valid leaf]

Yea

[midnight mist]

So he can do shield no?

[subtle tundra]

Don't think it does as much

[midnight mist]

I see

[valid leaf]

But it doesn’t do the same damage

Maelstorm wpns is what makes tempest broken for enha

Ele doesnt have that

[midnight mist]

Idk what that is

[humble verge]

idk how this comp managed to 16 a siege, we even had 0 deaths but still, the timer was so monka 1:20 left

i mean

sv not siege

[proven jasper]

is good comp

[midnight mist]

I mean it's a 16

[humble verge]

no its literally ass

[midnight mist]

You can time a 16 with triple outlaw

Cuh

[humble verge]

honestly

[valid leaf]

Ye

[humble verge]

im real surprised we had no deaths

[proven jasper]

I mean its no st comp but like

[valid leaf]

Pretty sure with this ilvl

[humble verge]

yeah

[proven jasper]

You blow shit out of the water

Either way

[valid leaf]

U can time all 16s with whatever u want

Except GB

[humble verge]

HAHAHHAHA

u say that

[coral ibex]

80s is a long time

[humble verge]

let me show you 2 images

[subtle tundra]

Siege is the freest dungeon for timer

[humble verge]

real quick

[valid leaf]

I mean if you are full pug

[midnight mist]

You think so?

[coral ibex]

you’d have almost timed it with the old guile

[valid leaf]

10s are hard

[subtle tundra]

Ara Kara doesn't count

[midnight mist]

It's one of the dungeon we struggled in a bit

[coral ibex]

DB

[midnight mist]

Timer wise

Or like we weren't sure about it

[humble verge]

the one with the mage, we went into that not expecting anything lmao

i died 3 times on that last one

well

honestly

gb is always

brains and comms > meta

[valid leaf]

GB is hard

[humble verge]

cause there are soooo many stupid people trying to do that dung

and holy

[midnight mist]

But timer wise you can do 19 mist, nw, ara, dawn
While siege is a bit uh

[humble verge]

i feel every PUG i did, atleast 1 guy is dying on 1st drake pack either to the stomp, or the drake aoe

lmao

[midnight mist]

It's not easy

[humble verge]

yeah

siege timewise i feel is still so bad

whats the average time spent on last boss in siege tho?

i feel it should be like

a solid 5min+

[midnight mist]

Ye

6 min or smth idk

I don't remember

[humble verge]

our kill was

5:45

i believe

in a 16

im surprised we had that much time left after 3rd boss

even with 5 deaths, we had 8 minutes left

[subtle tundra]

Yea you're kinda right I was thinking of when we were doing the 15 16s

[midnight mist]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

We had infinite time in sob

[humble verge]

im only really scared on like

2-3 pulls in siege

its the gigapull before 3rd boss

[subtle tundra]

It's one of those keys where key level makes mobs live way longer cause no funnel for many pulls

[midnight mist]

Y

[humble verge]

and the double pack before stairs to shroud

[midnight mist]

And I mean last boss is absurdly long

[valid leaf]

Last boss is pain

[humble verge]

always is

i dont think i wanna step inside and even try a 17 siege

[valid leaf]

And healers who heal it are giga chads

[humble verge]

wouldnt be a problem but

[valid leaf]

Most annoying boss to handle in history

[humble verge]

i tried out a 17 siege, bricked ofc but

jesus

spellque hit me and i was 20k hp on dot

[midnight mist]

Would be better if it wasn't bugged af

Why do you need to pre def to def the water

And why can't you see who is targeted

[subtle tundra]

Requires perfect play on 2 of the bosses

[midnight mist]

It just means you need to predef every single spit

[subtle tundra]

And then the trash has a lot of random abilities

[midnight mist]

It's silly

[subtle tundra]

That can kill people

Even if they don't 1 shot

They get tempered, not fully healed fast enough

[midnight mist]

[valid leaf]

Its weird

[subtle tundra]

Sob sucks

[midnight mist]

Tempered in battle

I love tempered in battle

So cool

[subtle tundra]

Me when I engage last boss and die in 5 seconds from full hp

[valid leaf]

Also first boss overlap in SB is annoying sometimes

[subtle tundra]

Through feint

[midnight mist]

Yooo

Bro same

[valid leaf]

[midnight mist]

It happened like 3 times now

I fucking hate that shit

[valid leaf]

Prot pal is wicked

Friendly fire enthusiast

[subtle tundra]

I'm just feint evasion on pull

From now on

Idc

If I die through all of that

Idc

[red schooner]

!wa

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[humble verge]

well i guess we had that

[valid leaf]

High tyranical spires says hi

[humble verge]

kek

[subtle tundra]

Me when mmmmm 12 minutes of pure st

Maybe 2t a bit if spicy

Holy shit blizz never cook again

[nocturne topaz]

Guys, I need help choosing a neck for raids. Trailspinner Pendant or the 'Emergency Stop' Keychain?

[earnest remnant]

[nocturne topaz]

The sim shows a 500 dps difference. Which should I prioritize, Haste or Crit, with these stats?

[spice spire]

Stats don’t matter

[marble hemlock]

whichever one sims 500dps higher

[spice spire]

[golden loom]

guess half the raid has to die so u can parse well

6:18 kill time

[spice spire]

Real

[cloud basin]

Dang my Queen parse doesn't look like that lol

[royal lantern]

getting a kill during CDs helps

[violet hemlock]

Wouldnt u wanna get a kill just after cds end?

[spice spire]

[craggy ruin]

YO

m+ blasters, one question, on sticthflesh(the third boss of NW) should i fan of knives or mutilate if i need to do more damage on main boss?

[dapper cradle]

i think he's the third boss

[honest parcel]

Hey, I picked up rogue and have been playing deathstalker m+ build and I have a good feel on how to AOE, but in single target (so most bosses, some minibosses) I feel very energy starved and my ST damage seems disproportionate lower than my aoe. Is there something I'm missing? I played a bit of pure ST in raid and it felt so much better, having to wait and pool only few times before cooldowns

[craggy ruin]

ye ye my bad

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[runic hinge]

assa aoe cranks and ST in m+ spec is stinky

[honest parcel]

Thanks Tony! Time to get a better tracker for envenom. I dont have Sanguine blades nor Vicious venoms in my build, should I swap?

[runic hinge]

!wa

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[runic hinge]

there's a envenom tracker in there

[craggy ruin]

.

[runic hinge]

and no, you can play whatever talents you like, i just run the default wowhead build

[honest parcel]

I just realized I play sudden demise, maybe I swap out of that in favor of something else? At least on some of the less aoe-heavy dungeons

[strange sleet]

You mutilate mooooost of the time. Unless you get many abominations, which should never happen. You can throw A FoK in there if you get affix too.

[strange sleet]

TTK

[honest parcel]

Tiny Toxin Blade? But I can't path to it 😄 I think I need to double check this whole build. Off to wowhead for a sec

[spice spire]

Twist the knife

[honest parcel]

oooh

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter that much

Theres tons of alternatives that are all roughly the same

[honest parcel]

Yea that makes sense, thanks. I'll try a bit more tracking envenom better and check if I see an improvement, and then try out TTK in case I like that more

Dashing Scoundrel looks like it would help with energy a lot? Worth trying and get a feel for it?

[strange sleet]

It's not great in my experience

Does not help that much in ST and you dont need it in aoe

TTK helps you in having more % uptime in evenom debuff. I like it more for sure

[honest parcel]

Okay, thanks for all your input 🙂 Final question; I just got surprised by the breath attack from first boss in NW.. Cloak doesn't immune it, so what am I supposed to do? Does Feint work or do I just... pray? 2mil overkill on a 10 just now

[spice spire]

Evasion and first second to cloak work on it

[spice surge]

!nw

[spice spire]

Feint and pray otherwise

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[spice spire]

Ty eleem

[spice surge]

np

[honest parcel]

oho, that's... unexpected. Never even knew the 1st second of cloak is special like that. So evasion to dodge, 1st second of cloak or Feint to tank the hit (40% is better than most classes so still pretty nice). I'm enjoying assassination a lot so thanks again for explaining some things in depth!

[strange tundra]

m+ its crystal of anub or sacbrood

it's crystal, right?

[spice spire]

Both are fine. Crystal generally used tho

[strange tundra]

the proc seems better

sac seems like a single target one

[strange sleet]

because of the haste mainly

i'd say

crit trinket from Boralus is not bad either

if you wanna give it a try

[strange tundra]

All 3 seem equal

[strange sleet]

ye, depends on situation

[strange tundra]

ye u right

[strange sleet]

but crystal better for overall probably

[strange tundra]

i'll just keep crystal,, cba minmaxing atm

[runic hinge]

also depends on what you get in your vault

M+ trinkets can only be myth there

some of those people might have only seen 1

[strange tundra]

I'm trying to farm to 630+ ilvl, started season late

I think I just have to craft 2 more items

[strange sleet]

lvl up Circe's tho, it's 645 😮

and enchant it ffs

[strange tundra]

What quest did I miss?

Ah shiet didn't know u can enchant it

[strange sleet]

You can lvl it up till 655 probably this week?

Last week was 652, didn't enter yet

[strange tundra]

How

[strange sleet]

do quests

[strange tundra]

Normal quests right

Not the blue ones

[strange sleet]

ye

[strange tundra]

I'll do it over the weekend

I couldn't see any quest

Previous week

To get it to 652

[strange sleet]

well you are missing 2 I think

449 -> 652

[strange tundra]

Probably the npc had a blue quest

[strange sleet]

649

[strange tundra]

And yellow as well

So I couldn't see it

[strange sleet]

it takes like 10 mins per quest tho

pretty fast

[strange tundra]

Ye I remember the first quest

I just thought they didn't add any more quests

[spice spire]

Doesn’t ring go to 658?

[dapper cradle]

next week

[strange sleet]

next week

[dapper cradle]

655 this week is max

[spice spire]

Yeah so it’s 655 this week

[dapper cradle]

655 max week is this

[spice spire]

Nah I saw 652

And was confused

[dapper cradle]

this 655 is max week

[spice spire]

[jagged wasp]

hi guys, in aoe would u prio refresh CT or use envenom with darkest night up? or its maybe whatever?

[winter willow]

CT

[valid leaf]

When does the ring stop?

658?

[spice surge]

ye

[spice surge]

Ideally youre not in that scenario, you couldve refreshed CT earlier

[valid leaf]

Whats the alt catch up for the ring even?

U have all quests available or its weekly only

[dapper cradle]

All quests are available

[valid leaf]

Thats neat

So basically u can have 658 within an hour

[dapper cradle]

Yee prolly even sooner tbh

The quests don’t really take that long

[valid leaf]

Well theres some quests to kill rare elites if im not mistaken

They take some time to spawn i guess

[coral ibex]

is it 658 this week?

[valid leaf]

655

[coral ibex]

ok good

[valid leaf]

Next week is max week

[coral ibex]

i keep seeing people saying they have 658 but i’m not spending more time than absolutely necessary on that island

[valid leaf]

Thats an abuse u could do

We natty enjoyers have it next week

I mean u still can do it

Afaik something with race change

[spice spire]

Yes

It resets the quest that week

[valid leaf]

If u race change it counts it as new toon and u have a weekly available

[spice spire]

But if you’re racechanging for 0.2% in garbage time of a tier

[valid leaf]

But also theres people who said they did it without a race change but i don’t know the tech

[coral ibex]

i cba

queen isn’t gonna fall over bc my ring is +3 ilvl

[jagged wasp]

okay, so thats leads me to another question, does it really matter in aoe to always have Rapid injection buff up?

[spice surge]

Its 10% more damage to envenom

[jagged wasp]

then more dmg on caustic right?

[spice surge]

So not huge, but its something

Caustic is based of the envenom damage yes

[valid leaf]

Tell your group to go play super mario abit

[jagged wasp]

aight, btw does the TTK also makes caustic do more dmg?

[spice surge]

Not directly, but having 2 stacks of envenom up means you get twice the benefit of things like rapid injection

And obv more procs of posions

[jagged wasp]

ok its always been a bit fuzzy to me all these synergies in assa thx for answers

[strange sleet]

is dmg from poison bomb affected by caustic btw? It should no?

[spice surge]

Yes

[strange sleet]

k ty

[coral ibex]

will that make them not stand in puddles

[dapper halo]

any big updates coming to assa in the upcoming raid patch?

[dapper cradle]

we don't really know anything yet

no ptr class tuning has happened yet

no big notes for rogue as of now

[dapper halo]

hmmh

[spice surge]

Theres been literally no changes

[dapper halo]

hope that changes, one less button or so would be like a dream, tho, its quite good already

the dropping of snd was such a good move

[strange sleet]

what less buttons do you want?

[dapper cradle]

they should collapose envenom, mutilate, fok, and KB into one button

[balmy condor]

Is there even a button left that they could remove lmao

[normal mist]

AkA fury warrior Wotlk

[balmy condor]

It’s legit just our bleeds, envenom, and CDs

What could they even hypothetically take

[spice surge]

I could see garrote being prunable

If not for historical reasons

[strange sleet]

yeah and rupture too

[balmy condor]

Yeah nah that’s crazy

[dapper cradle]

mutilate automatically turns into fok when there's more than 1 enemy around

[spice surge]

Well merging them into one

[normal mist]

"when you mutilate, and there are more than 2 enemies, it also casts fok"

[balmy condor]

Gameplay wise maybe you could combine the two but that would be a huge shift

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

And it would stomp on the entire history

So that’s out of question

[normal mist]

Fine we can't have the mage treatment..

[dapper halo]

well, looking forward to march when the raid patch drops

[spice surge]

Could merge KB into deathmark ig (which obv removes the 1 minute one, but its effectively the same as a 2 min kb)

Idk neither sounds great

[lusty kraken]

they could remove shiv too

or thistle tea

[normal mist]

they already did

[golden loom]

envenom during kingsbane now applies shiv

[balmy condor]

They already removed thistle tea

[golden loom]

BUFF ENVENOM

[normal mist]

you dont really need to press it anymore

[lusty kraken]

btw do you use the shiv + thistle tea macro in m+ too?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange sleet]

No they didn't remove thistle tea. They made energy pool efectively 30 less

[balmy condor]

What

[spice surge]

The only situation where its not good is stuff like first boss mists

[golden loom]

wat

[normal mist]

wat

[balmy condor]

Blud said words for sure

[runic hinge]

Tea mastery, simp alert

[fallow canopy]

the daily tea conversation is starting late today, was worried we were going to skip a day

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-good-morning-love-messages-gif-25662378

does this imply Kermit just shived someone

[strange sleet]

xD

[empty hinge]

im so sure tea will get reworked and be a normal talent again and not trigger on energy

[gusty shore]

boys what build u recommend for gigalow keys ? sub 10

[golden loom]

sudden demise cranks

[gusty shore]

sudden death ?

[golden loom]

warrior brain sorry

[empty hinge]

ttk

[spice surge]

Sudden demise

[dapper halo]

i hope the tea is atleast japanese houjicha

its goood

[gusty shore]

cannatea

[strange sleet]

It is literally thistle tea

[gusty shore]

na its just a codename for canna trust , was illegal back than

[fallow canopy]

the wowhead hybrid build would be a good start ig

[empty hinge]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBRRUVZiRBCUBNVUVVFEYFQFKFUBEEVVVUCEQ this is what i play ofc u can work around this and play something else

[gusty shore]

kk so wowhead stuff for assa kinda up to date ? for many other classes i play its dog

[fallow canopy]

yea

its good

[gusty shore]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

Are there actually bad wowhead guides left

We cycled in like 5 new writers for bad writers

It’s basically all top players and theorycrafters

[gusty shore]

cant really say , got dissapointed a few times , a while ago , and never used it again xD

i think druid ones still kinda sucky sucky but not 100% confident

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk I hear that sometimes and I actually don’t know cause the majority of actual complaints were on tank guides

[gusty shore]

and for shadow iceyveins is def better ( weird but yeah )

[golden loom]

I liked both feral and boomkin guides atleast

[gusty shore]

oh yeah the prot paladin wowhead guide is hot garbage at least it was a few weeks ago , was recommending stacking mastery somewhy

[simple garden]

Hello. I have these stats currently without food or flask. What bottle do you recommend for m+?

[balmy condor]

Alchemical chaos

Also please don’t link your stats you look dumb

[storm forum]

I wouldn't call the SPriest wowhead guide bad, but I do prefer the icyveins one. they're both by people I like/trust in the priest discord.

[dapper cradle]

bro has 31% golpe critico

[gusty shore]

i just pmed u an example of prot pala stat side from wowhead, its stil really really bad missing the most important informations imo

[rancid wind]

Is it more important to get as many Envenoms out as possible or time them to the end of the previous one?

[gusty shore]

ehm , in st , if i have envenoms buffs running , do i still spam envenoms , or is it fine to not click a skill on each gcd , to stay in a better energy spot while maintaining all stuff in st ?

[dapper cradle]

holy pog it's babylonius

i kneel bro

i was gonna ask how monk is looking, but if you're asking about rogue, I guess I know the answer

[balmy condor]

Yeh I’m checking

[balmy condor]

This ends up being the same thing though

Cause you’re energy limited not time limited

[spice spire]

So it’s a both answer. You can kind of just chain them in pandemic and you’re chilling

[balmy condor]

So as long as you aren’t overcapping resources in the process, holding for more envenom uptime will always be better

But then again, twist the knife exists and it’s really hard to waste envenom uptime in the first place with it

So it’s basically just one big whatever

[spice spire]

Yeah ngl first 3m I usually just can hard spam with no issues.
I assume next tier it’ll even be worse (better?) on the spam front

[dapper cradle]

how so?

[balmy condor]

Looks about the same depending on what the tier set ends up actually being

[spice spire]

More stats

Which matters little

But also if we have to play around the tier

I’m going to

[dapper cradle]

we'll have like 5-8% more haste at most?

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

If you have to play around tier it’s a pooling angle

[spice spire]

And more crit for sf

[balmy condor]

But tier needs a lot of help

Even just numerically

[royal lantern]

aw yes, 8% haste

thats 0 more energy

[spice spire]

Erm actually

[dapper cradle]

yeah haah that's what I'm saying

[royal lantern]

shut your mouth or ill do it with my lips

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[fallow canopy]

0.8 more actions per minute ||(or 1.6 i don't remember the maffs)||

[spice spire]

Promise?

[cerulean walrus]

8% haste means I can get to Quake’s house 8% faster

[astral plover]

Whats best Daggers or warglaives for WindSin?

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

We can’t use Warglaives

Tf is windsin

[astral plover]

😄

[cerulean walrus]

Actually Whispyr our tier set is so bad that it turns us into Demon Hunters

Unlagi

[astral plover]

He fell in my trap

[balmy condor]

Is it a trap

I’m waiting for a dn joke

[golden loom]

if only we could wield warglaives we could have some cool looking weapons

fuck dagger transmogs!!

[spice spire]

Call me dagger transmogs

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine making an entire new weapon class just for one class to use and then fucking up the loot tables of every raid

[astral plover]

DN?

[cerulean walrus]

[astral plover]

Diremaul North?

[balmy condor]

Darkest night

[astral plover]

u ok bud?

[golden loom]

and then not letting warriors and rogues transmog one of the most iconic weapons in history that was GIGA BIS on them cause of "ooooh demon hunters are the only ones who get to use warglaives"

[cerulean walrus]

Hah! He subverted expectations by saying Darkest Night instead of Deez Nuts!

[balmy condor]

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Hey doz

Actually eat my asshole and clean my taint

[ember mural]

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

Yep quakes for sure older than 30

No one talks like that

[cerulean walrus]

That’s why he needs help cleaning his wee hole and taint

[storm forum]

its like a thirty hour surgery to make a new wee hole btw, so maybe dont let him swallow it

[cerulean walrus]

He can’t reach it himself

[spice spire]

Bro

[cerulean walrus]

With his own tongue

[spice spire]

I moved a fucking

Row

While typing with my other hand

Fuck

You guys

[runic hinge]

you want to?

[spice spire]

?

[cerulean walrus]

Quake said you’d fuck us

[past roost]

Hey there, I am looking for a little help and kind soul that would tell me what am I doing wrong. I am trying to find out why am I losing so much DPS single target and AOE in my rotation I am doing nothing else other than videos of "pros" I saw. I don't have skardyn's trinket. I run out of energy too fast on single target and sometimes feel like I got nothing of spells to throw in some time point. My item lvl is 624 but last run of grim batol 10 I had 650k overall dps its so low I am trying to improve and really like this class and specialization.

[cerulean walrus]

You want to?

[golden loom]

got a log?

[past roost]

I do have details

[spice spire]

You mfs too horny

Details tells nothing

[normal mist]

those wont really help

[spice spire]

Logs are needed for that deep dive

[cerulean walrus]

We need the logs

[normal mist]

besides the basic "you should have more crimson tempest dmg"

[past roost]

Will do another dungeon and get back with logs!!

[cerulean walrus]

Crimpson

[simple garden]

because? what's wrong with it?

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

Because we don't really care about them

[balmy condor]

Pointless information

[cerulean walrus]

[fallow canopy]

promise?

[balmy condor]

There’s not been a situation in like 7-8 years where I’ve needed to see someone’s stats

Just doesn’t happen and doesn’t matter

[normal mist]

amen

[pastel cradle]

was sin rogue always been aoe spec or were they ever single target?

[balmy condor]

Has it been that long

[fallow canopy]

before caustic we were the lonely child

[balmy condor]

Assa couldn’t aoe for shit before 10.2

[fallow canopy]

sitting in the corner of st avenue

[normal mist]

We could cry and respec tho

[golden loom]

did caustic release with dragonflight talents?

[balmy condor]

10.2

[normal mist]

yeah

[spice spire]

?

[golden loom]

was CT a thing before that?

[normal mist]

since mop

[fallow canopy]

sorry my license to goon acted up

[spice spire]

Ag king we all have lapses of judgement it’s okay

[balmy condor]

Yes CT was a thing with Dragonflight that did instant damage

[normal mist]

the CT spam era

[balmy condor]

And then got reworked in 10.2 as well

[normal mist]

XDD

[soft surge]

will kobold cum still be good next patch

[normal mist]

what

[balmy condor]

Just as bad as it is now

[fallow canopy]

aight time to leave for today

[golden loom]

ah makes sense, played a bit of cata classic and tried to see if I recognized any spells and CT wasnt there at that time atleast

[spice spire]

We’re already on whetstones

[balmy condor]

There’s no new consumables

[soft surge]

i only use it in low keys for carries etc

[spice spire]

Yeah but like

They’re 80g a piece now

[real pike]

bro the top rogue parses for ovinax make me feel so insecure

[spice spire]

Compared to 1k per at the beginning

[soft surge]

i know this but the cum last 2 hours and is free

[spice spire]

It is a time investment so not totally free

[balmy condor]

Because your guild doesn’t do 5 carry ovi’nax and doesn’t let you pad?

[spice spire]

It’s okay if you’re into milking kobolds I respect that even but it’s not absolutely free

[balmy condor]

Unlike your dad

[soft surge]

just wondering if it might get a little buff next patch

[balmy condor]

What

[soft surge]

keep it relevant but still like 2nd/3rd choice consume

[balmy condor]

There’s no new consumables mate

[spice spire]

Mf I’m gonna bang ur mom

[soft surge]

oh really

theres new pots aint there

[golden loom]

so we arent gonna be able to pickpocket goblins for Rocket engine oil

[balmy condor]

Haven’t seen new anything

Maybe there’s a new pot I guess

[spice surge]

There are new consumables

or atleast food

But they do the exact same thing

So

[soft surge]

would be weird to not tune up the wax a little

to bother putting a rogue only meme in the game and not upkeep it

but very blizzard like

[balmy condor]

Yah I mean it’s flavor but not new as in better

[runic hinge]

wax is for getting yourself killed by 2 shotting timewalking bosses

[golden loom]

gonna macro pick pocket to ambush and steal the keys to the Gallagio from Gallywix in opener

[robust axle]

The fuck did they do to the ring? 30% of all damage on Queen

[real pike]

oh is that what it is? I just assume it's because I'm bad (which I am)

my dps is like half those bois

[spice surge]

Well ye but blizz made it obselete by the time it came out so '

Probably supposed to be a for fun leveling thing

[balmy condor]

Is that the bugged French log

[robust axle]

Nah just a mate of mines guild. Aint a bug apparently, it's "clever use of game mechanics" lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

Was fixed pretty quick though so

I would say it’s a bug

[robust axle]

Just fixed? Cause the bug or whatever it is was still present as of 25minutes ago

[balmy condor]

The way that it was abusable was with pet deaths

The pet deaths got fixed

[robust axle]

Ah yea thats not what they are doing

They have most of the raid use the gem that proc others gems, and then the 4 people that get the most out of Thunderlords just mass proc it

[balmy condor]

Sure

[midnight mist]

i got another one again

there is no way right

its like the 7th/8th i get

[runic hinge]

Assa main

[keen spruce]

I still haven't gotten one

[fallow canopy]

same

[candid sun]

I got that and gloves after I decided I was done raiding

[midnight mist]

is ic spreading proximity based around your char or fully random

[candid sun]

Got trolled by loot god

[runic hinge]

it's a little of both, around you and your target

prio mobs without bleeds

[midnight mist]

not sure what this means

cant be both no?