assassination

[dapper cradle]

VrgL is

Isn’t that who I’m yapping with

🤨

[coral stump]

i’m future vrgl

[spice spire]

Yeah so you’re croatian

[coral stump]

no in the future he moves to jersey and becomes a hardcore drug addict

[runic hinge]

sounds like fun

[spice spire]

Damn I understand

Jersey is only survivable when drugs

[coral stump]

so much fun.

some would say too much fun

how do you check for shaders

[strange tundra]

season 2 is assa still better in m+?

[spice surge]

[strange tundra]

[spice surge]

No way of knowing

[spice spire]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[spice spire]

Not shaders

Models

Mb

[coral stump]

yeah that’s why i asked for shaders

smh

rouge discord is useless

[spice spire]

How about you model DN pal

[coral stump]

they’re too tiny

[rain coral]

so the guy who wrote
me about the poison macro😃, you got one now? 😁

[spice spire]

That’s not what ur pops said last night

[coral stump]

i didn’t know you were a medium.

[cunning geyser]

is there a command or something that explains how to play with the ovinax trinket?

[spice surge]

Keep it below 20

Of any stack, doesnt really matter which

Thats it

[cunning geyser]

ok and when to press?

thanks a lot btw

[spice surge]

When you cant keep it below 20

[trail gust]

hello everyone. can anyone point me in the right direction for a wa that will count kingsbane on a target. thanks

[coral ibex]

why do people care about that

[shy axle]

i have a little bit of a hard time understanding the second boss in cot. Do i understand it correctly that you get out of every ground effect but do stand near to the tank in the ice phase due to his debuff?

[coral ibex]

you dont change your gameplay in reaction to kingsbane stacks

[coral ibex]

yes

you have to soak the ice circle

[spice spire]

Could be lack of understanding. There’s nothing you really change you just play as intended. kB caps at 50 stacks so every reasonable amount of energy going in, you should hit max stacks even on off dm kbs

[spice spire]

Also when projectiles go out don’t stack on someone else as they pierce

[slate crown]

Also technically Kingsbane stacks are not on the target, they're on you

it's a buff on the player

[trail gust]

thats what i meant to say sry

[spice spire]

So you might even say that kingsbane stacks are gains

Damn

Incredible even

[slate crown]

Because of that it is also a trivial WA to make

[trail gust]

ok i see it now thanks

[spice spire]

[fallow canopy]

great name btw

[strange tundra]

i just do whatever the lady voice tells me

in the dungeons

[spice spire]

Maybe for you, but I’m different (stupid)

[slate crown]

All of the settings for it would be the literal defaults for a new aura, and the display defaults to showing stacks. Other than an empty aura it is probably the least-clicks aura you could make

[spice spire]

Dog you had to instruct me on insanely basic wa tasks

[slate crown]

have more trust in yourself king don't let the lady boss u around

[fallow canopy]

yes those are words in the english language

[spice spire]

Toaster iq ahh mf am I

[shy axle]

thanks guys ❤️

[spice spire]

[trail gust]

i am finding it difficult to track the stack. so i guess i asked the wrong question. is there a way or a weakaura that ill let me seperate kingsbane from the rest of the buffs

[strange tundra]

i wanna rizz her up so i do what she says

[coral ibex]

there's no gain to tracking kingsbane though

you dont change your gameplay at all

its just another distraction

[trail gust]

just so i know when i am at full 50

[coral ibex]

why?

[slate crown]

that will track it on you, there's like 200 extra things you could do to fancy the WA up but that's the core of it

[coral ibex]

you don't change how you play at 50 stacks vs under 50 stacks

[trail gust]

just a video i was watching

saying something about making sure you vinish at 46 stacks to maximize out put

[slate crown]

Well

Let's start with asking if that statement is valid

[coral ibex]

[slate crown]

before divinginto a WA for it

[coral ibex]

whoever said that is cooking something

[spice spire]

Oh god.

[bronze marsh]

yo you got any of those trasmutagens, I need a quick fix

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-bear-the-challenge-fire-extinguisher-bear-gif-16996560

[spice spire]

You just vanish at 6s left; or if you’re running double subt during the window is whatever, and only if you’re running ma

Thing is

It legit doesn’t matter where your stacks are

[trail gust]

not sure if i can post links but this is the link

1328189142399451248

[spice spire]

They’ll be highest at the end

[trail gust]

lomao

[coral ibex]

that's a link?

[trail gust]

that didnt work

[golden loom]

heard a lot of crazy stuff during missinformation hour earlier today but the 46 stack kingsbane vanish is something new

[coral ibex]

xd

[slate crown]

[slate crown]

you don't have to link it

[spice spire]

So you just cover the whole me of your kingsbane with ma

[bronze marsh]

Guy's definitely a spy

[slate crown]

We're telling you that it isn't correct.

[coral ibex]

46 stack kingsbane vanish is a sick bit

[spice spire]

Is that someone’s discord ID

[trail gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE6va6W8-n4

[spice spire]

[golden loom]

gonna make a weak aura that sounds the nuclear alarm once I reach 46 stacks so I can vanish

[slate crown]

what about mythic minus

[coral ibex]

aint no way shindigg said vanish with 46 stacks

[spice spire]

Nah this ain’t it

[spice spire]

That’s the mode I need fr

[fallow canopy]

I'm gonna put the loudest meow I can find

[spice spire]

Ur dead to me

[coral ibex]

he ignores the 46 stacks

and vanishes at 6s left

[spice spire]

As god intended

[coral ibex]

you are connecting lines that don't connect

[spice spire]

God bless

[slate crown]

one sec I'll cook some more up for u

[coral ibex]

your kingsbane stacks never matter

[spice spire]

Well that’s not true

But they matter way less than people think

[coral ibex]

if they did we would track them, no?

[golden loom]

well they never matter to track

[spice spire]

No

[fallow canopy]

oh shit I got caught

[trail gust]

it was something that just cought my attention is all

[coral ibex]

vanish at 6s left on kingsbane

[slate crown]

Well

[spice spire]

We wouldn’t they don’t matter enough. Because nothing changes

[coral ibex]

that's the rule

[spice spire]

It’s like with frost shards

[bronze marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[golden loom]

it created some fun conversation atleast

[slate crown]

At least maybe you learned to make a simple WA too!

[spice spire]

Your crits mattered

Those mattered too

[slate crown]

Even if it's pointless

[fallow canopy]

those bees had no chance

[spice spire]

But nothing changed

So why track

[trail gust]

maybe thats what i saw

[spice spire]

Yep just vanish last 6s in raid

Stacks don’t matter

[trail gust]

6 secs left on kingsbane. i dont know i am just not smart

[spice spire]

the end will be the most damage

Because there’s the most stacks period

[coral ibex]

all i know is i opened the video, went to the kingsbane section, and he immediately said "vanish at 6s on kingsbane"

[golden loom]

you vanish so that you have master assassin buff (6 seconds of increased crit chance) for the end of kingsbane

[trail gust]

does that apply for both mythics and raid

that rule

[coral ibex]

you vanish earlier in m+ if you have the subterfuge talent

[golden loom]

well for M+ you usually have subterfuge so u have 12 seconds

[spice spire]

That depends on your talents

[coral ibex]

subterfuge extends master assassin

[trail gust]

yes

[spice spire]

Because yeah above

And also if you’re running ma

If you’re not

[golden loom]

but in raid, yes 6 seconds

[trail gust]

i just redid my talents and wow what a difference

[spice spire]

No need for that

Ye

[coral ibex]

man, who is running subterfuge and not MA

don't tell me

i dont wanna know

[trail gust]

i made my first mistake and took icyviens for m+

[coral ibex]

[spice spire]

Nothing wrong with IV

[coral ibex]

the icyveins guide is fine

[spice spire]

WH just updated more

I don’t think seli puts as many builds

Either

[spice surge]

Theres also like 30+ fine options for builds this season for m+

Unironically

[spice spire]

Guides are really up to the writer on value and seli has been very good at doing it

[golden loom]

the most comfy to play is for sure double vanish though, especially if you also are learning the spec

[trail gust]

i used a different build from archon

[spice spire]

Whispyr just goes above and beyond

[spice spire]

What if there’s actually just 29 eleem

[coral ibex]

wow

spreading misinformation

can't trust a green for SHIT

[spice surge]

[spice spire]

[golden loom]

the best out of those 30 builds is the one that drops ironwire and takes Intent to Kill for maximum uptime

[coral ibex]

if you take iron wire you're a damn FOOL leaving OVERALL DAMAGE on the table

[spice spire]

I’m about to hit filter

[spice surge]

Ye i mean i died twice because nobody kicked the bolts, but atleast i didnt spec iron wire

[trail gust]

so i took a long break from wow and have always played assassination. the spec has gone through some changes i understand but it feels as if i should be putting out more dps then i am currnenty

[bronze marsh]

Could be because you're coming back from a long break and are getting used to how it plays now

[coral ibex]

hard to say

[trail gust]

i simmed and i am around 1.2 which is about right

[coral ibex]

you should be doing more damage than most other dps specs at the same ilvl

[trail gust]

yes

and i am

[coral ibex]

can't really give exact numbers

its highly group and key dependent

[trail gust]

i am top 3 in dps in raid

[golden loom]

doesnt sound awful then

[trail gust]

ilvl is 624

crit is 30% and mastery is 36%

[coral ibex]

you should be near your patchwerk sim on a fight like kyveza

[hollow river]

we're doing it

[spice spire]

You changed

[hollow river]

i know, but i'm working on it

[trail gust]

now i just started m+ and used the IV build and was doing ok dps then i just a grp with an other ass rogue who was 10 ilvls lower then me and was killiing it

[wet plover]

Pumper

[trail gust]

just turned he was using a differnt build and omg what i difference

[runic hinge]

just sell boosts for money

[wet plover]

What was he runnin

[hollow river]

i do, but i want something i can kinda afk sometimes

[strange tundra]

is that oddyseey

[coral ibex]

bro is playing in imax

[trail gust]

lmao

[wet plover]

Double envenop > master ass imo

Envenom *

But yeah that build cooks

[trail gust]

ya huge difence

[wet plover]

I shifted away from the extra vanish time as well. Got sub fuge and increase dps for me as well

[slate crown]

not even goblin s my h

[wet plover]

Tho less fun w random pugs ngl

Who chain pull

🥲

[spice surge]

Its all fine

[trail gust]

i quit the pug scene. got way to frusterating

[wet plover]

Yeah all preference

Minor things here n there

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Phrasing here is villainous homie

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[wet plover]

Also on a side note, the trinket from ara kara (egg) gives us haste right? Why is it then consider BiS if haste isnt a desired stat

[subtle tundra]

logs fixed 😎

[spice spire]

Pause

[subtle tundra]

perfectly balanced

[spice spire]

BiS is nebulous.
It’s highly tuned that’s why it’s very good for us (also we like all stats)

[shy creek]

Haste isnt desired over mastery or crit, but it is a decent stat nonetheless

[proven jasper]

Even specs that dont care about haste like it as well, passive effect is just strong

[spice spire]

Ur strong

[proven jasper]

you make me strong king

[wet plover]

Which ones that again

[spice spire]

Unsure if a meme

But

[coral ibex]

xd

[wet plover]

It was 😂

[spice spire]

Listen

I’ve seen a lot of wild questions

So I figured I’d clarify!

[wet plover]

Hey i dont blame you

My jokes usually dont get taken as jokes 🥲

[spice spire]

Nah the was a solid indicator

[wet plover]

I was hopin it was 😂

[slate crown]

+5 skillerinos, to clarify

[spice spire]

Just not aware enough of you, personally. And always aim to be helpful!

Aim even

[wet plover]

All hail simming

[runic hinge]

i thought you played feral druid now

[subtle tundra]

idk how to gear a character

when everyone in the guild is done with gearing characters

so i cant get boosted

[golden loom]

pug it up

[subtle tundra]

yea

sure

[spice spire]

Varas when he has to actually grind his way up instead of getting a free 8 vault on a 330 ilvl rat

(This is a joke I don’t blame you)

[subtle tundra]

im not spending any time to gear a 4th character

[spice spire]

Last night carried a healer tank who were both 580 through some tens

[runic hinge]

Tnugz rising

[fallow canopy]

Meow stonks rising

[hollow river]

oof

i'm washed

[spice spire]

Rinsed even

[strange tundra]

Sudden demise is always between 1-1.5% damage done in every dungeon should i drop it for master assassin

It's only for low keys?

[spice spire]

Sudden demise also adds a 10% bleed buff

Fwiw

[golden loom]

why not run both

[strange tundra]

i have bone spike

[golden loom]

idk drop sanguine/ttk/smthin

or dont

doesnt matter really

[subtle tundra]

MA is good for low keys

or is the question about high keys

MA good regardless

[tranquil cobalt]

Has there been no response from blizz regarding sin tier set for 11.1? No way they let it go through as is right

[dapper cradle]

feral

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Not yet.
Still a month out

[bronze marsh]

still very early

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-milk-puss-in-boots-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-thirsty-quenching-my-thirst-gif-27251412

[spice spire]

Lot of buggy shit on PTR still.
Also we’re not the only ones with a shitty tier set

[wet plover]

Sudden demise is good

Was about to ask about bone spike

Is it worth it?

Feels non impactful tbh

[dapper cradle]

boner spike goes pretty hard for sure

[tranquil cobalt]

I mean it's true. But reading the tier set I think my eyes started to bleed it's so bad

[spice spire]

Ye the fact that it happens on ticks too

Makes it insane work

[wet plover]

Valid, never read into it

Just know it returns 3 combo points 😂

[spice spire]

3?

[tranquil cobalt]

I am just not sure how you even land on that in the first place. How can you read that and think players would like it at all

[strange tundra]

I like it for the opener instant max combo

[spice spire]

Buddy we’re trying 6

1+2+3

[runic hinge]

just crit!

[spice spire]

Crit gets full

[wet plover]

I mean per application. Thought it was 3 or

[spice spire]

Errr crit on any of the 3

[wet plover]

Thats what i get

[spice spire]

1+ each application

[wet plover]

[spice spire]

So when you open it sends 3 out

[wet plover]

Yeah

[spice spire]

On m+ packs

[wet plover]

And i get 3 xombo points back

[spice spire]

Yea so it’s each other not each

[runic hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/cbE0T4l

[spice spire]

1 for the first
2 for the second
3 for the third

6

[dapper cradle]

what tha cat doin

[spice spire]

Sneaking

[wet plover]

I need to go test it out again lmfao

[runic hinge]

[wet plover]

I feel betrayed

By my talent

[spice spire]

If you’re running st

[slate crown]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SNEAKY SNEAKY

[spice spire]

It does the same

But slower

[wet plover]

I see makes sense

[spice spire]

Because you’re rupturing every 40ish

[wet plover]

That make it pretty damn good

[spice spire]

It’s a QoL thing

[wet plover]

Yeah def seems good lmfao saved me globals in aoe

[spice spire]

Doz uses this one too much

[dapper cradle]

i only envenom for DN, otherwise, I'm just cycling ruptures back to back

[runic hinge]

he uses it just enough

[ember mural]

Haven't used it at all recently wtf

Gaslight girl boss gatekeep mfer

[strange tundra]

Is 1 point in supercharger worthh dropping Subterfuge for m+

[spice spire]

That’s not even the right order

[ember mural]

Now you're gatekeeping the order omg

[strange tundra]

i only have subterfuge to get deathstalker mark failsafe tbh

[runic hinge]

he's also gaslighting you about what order it really is

[wet plover]

I dropped it

Bc i felt like i was focusing too much

[dapper cradle]

gatekeep, girlboss, goonmaxx

[wet plover]

On spreading bleeds

On big pulls

Where the mobs usually die quick

Like NW

[spice spire]

About to be gatekeeping. Nvm gonna be told I need to get laid for that one

[strange tundra]

what did u drop

[wet plover]

Sub fuge

Im just testing out pushers build rn

[strange tundra]

link it

this seems pretty good

but idk why people get improved wound poison and superior mixture, probably for some high key strats

[spice surge]

Bigger slow

[wet plover]

Fire

[strange tundra]

wound poison is useless just to path to the slow?

[spice surge]

yes

[wet plover]

He used it but

I assume for

NW slow on the butcher mob

So ignore that

Put it idk in the crimson vile talent and kidney shot talent

Imo

[strange tundra]

thats what i did

i wouldn't play without bone spike tbh its so QOL

[wet plover]

Yeah realized that now but 😂 better late then never

[strange tundra]

opener is so boring without it

[wet plover]

I love and hate sub fuge. Its good utile and dmg/QoL but i cant stop myself from tryna bleed everything in my view

[strange tundra]

i just dropped 1 point of it keep it at 3 sec

put the point to lethality for extra 10% dmg

when do you use supercharge

on envenom?

[wet plover]

Yeah

It spiked my boss dmg significantly

Bc assa boss dmg….

Embarrassing

[strange tundra]

i see

[humble verge]

holy goat, free kill

#703

i totally didnt green log

[rotund oak]

gz dog

[fallow canopy]

Gratz king

[humble verge]

thanks cat

[humble verge]

thanks queen

[spice spire]

Grats big dog

[humble verge]

thank you small cat

well

the conditions for kill

was for me to shave my head

sadge

well i need to get a haircut anyways

[fallow canopy]

not a queen but I am fabulous

[spice spire]

You’re my queen, Boli.

[rotund oak]

[elfin valley]

gz

[drifting cedar]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

thanks :3

[gloomy heart]

this would be goated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285489178234195999/1328476070470484009/image.png?ex=6786d741&is=678585c1&hm=9713b172daf49db6971e1da327a3b5e4a2fd0870387c70af88d764ba06efc1c3&

[spice spire]

Damn

[gloomy heart]

id use it

[pastel cradle]

is this build ok for db 13? reason im asking is because I didnt exactly do a lot in dps on there

[subtle tundra]

thats literally the build

you just played bad

[pastel cradle]

least deaths, followed rotation not sure what else i couldve done

[subtle tundra]

you clearly didnt

[spice spire]

Idk all damage is kind of low there

[subtle tundra]

yea but 1.3mil is first week kind of overall

[subtle tundra]

wheres your mark

little guy

[pastel cradle]

mark?

[subtle tundra]

yep

idk quake why you doubt me

im just him

[spice spire]

I don’t doubt anything

Without seeing logs it’s impossible to say “yeah this is it” but miss me w that

99% of the time it’s just a play better angle

[pastel cradle]

got it thanks, ill try to practice this one more

[subtle tundra]

????

it seems like you dont even know what the mark is

🤨

[pastel cradle]

deathmark?

[subtle tundra]

☹️

open your talent book and read the middle thing

[dense badger]

I think he’s just hovering over his details window thats why mark isn’t showing. For me, I gotta open the segment for mark to show

[subtle tundra]

the talent tree does dmg and it should show up

[lavish wing]

Whats the best way to catch up with the gear in general, nowadays

[dense badger]

Yeah idk then, mine never shows up if I hover over my name on the meter

[hollow river]

doing stuff on the siren isle to get started i think

[lavish wing]

Thats about to bring me around 600 ilvl, right?

[blazing pumice]

590ish

can do delves

[pastel cradle]

the deathstalker's mark shows in details for people?

[blazing pumice]

or struggle through low keys

[dense badger]

Honestly idk, I think the best thing to do is run another 13 and log it, then post your log here. There’s a lot of people that’ll be able to help you understand where you’re going wrong

[pastel cradle]

appreciate you fam, ty

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

The hero talent does dmg if you have mark up. You can easily check if those are present

[balmy condor]

☹️

Again varas?

Weren’t we just here earlier

[runic hinge]

SEEMS LIKE JUST YESTERDAY

[craggy elk]

does anyone know what i’m doing wrong on my rogue i’m at like 44 percent mastery 20 percent crit rating with like 620 item score. was in a dungeon with another rogue and his envenom was doing twice my dps and he had less item lvl

[spice spire]

Stats mean nothing

99% it’s play

Okay they don’t mean nothing

[dapper cradle]

Your name bro lmao

[craggy elk]

he’s probably more skilled then me lol

[spice spire]

But 44 mastery 20 crit doesn’t tell me anything

[spice spire]

I mean yeah but that’s what we’re here for, to help.

When you start in a pack, how do you open.

[craggy elk]

stealth, ambush, garrote,rupture,rupture, multilate

then just spam fans of knives for combo points

and envenom

also apply deathmark

[spice spire]

Where’s your crimson tempest

[craggy elk]

kingsbane, thistle tea and etc

[spice spire]

[craggy elk]

yeah i do use that as well depending on how many mobs there is

[spice spire]

Anything above 2

[craggy elk]

if there’s like over 3 i’ll pop it

[spice spire]

Sorry anything above 1

It’s maintained

[past belfry]

Shouldn’t you also fan before mutilate to make sure your poisons are up?

[craggy elk]

yeah might be that i’m doing wrong

i try to get to get mutikaye off asap

for spatter

[past belfry]

Yeah but if your poison isn’t applied, no spatter

[spice spire]

Poisons have to be on for spatter tho

And you have a ctw proc out of the gate

[craggy elk]

oh it normally procs as soon as i hit the mutilate

is fan of knives guaranteed prison

now you mention it think i read it somewhere

poison*

[spice surge]

Your poisons are effectively on all the time anyway, no need to think about them

Or track them

[craggy elk]

yeah i don’t think about them tbh

it was just his envenom it felt like he was getting more combo points or something

have no idea how he was doubling mine lol

[past belfry]

In opener though, I always see that folks fan before multilate to make sure they’re up

[craggy elk]

he wasent using a potion or anything either

[past belfry]

Beyond that you obviously don’t have to worry about it

[craggy elk]

and i was using a mastery one

[spice surge]

What

[fringe root]

Vers scales better at low ilvl sometimes and at lower keys because your bleeds and poison dont have as much time to tick, could be a case where he's absolutely stacked on vers for no reason, would explain why his envenom is pumping harder

[craggy elk]

hmmmm maybe

[dense badger]

What's your ST rotation on a boss in dungeon?

[craggy elk]

i didn’t check his gear tbf

i just saw his item lvl

[spice surge]

Your stat distribution has very little impact on your damage

[craggy elk]

so if he was stacked into verse it wouldn’t make much difference?

[spice spire]

Same as raid rotation but you just shiv last 8s of kb and can send one in betweeen

[spice spire]

Correct

We like everything

So like

In general all stats are great

[dense badger]

Sorry, I was super unclear there! Was asking @craggy elk

[spice spire]

Ohhhh

My apologies!

[craggy elk]

i just open the same

just don’t use fan of knives

[dense badger]

If it's the Envenom he's concered about, surely it's only boss damage he is beating you on

[craggy elk]

and king bane on last 8 seconds

[spice spire]

Wait

Every time you do a darkest night

You’re still foking st

Because you’re reapplying dsm

So ctw procs

Uh clear the witnesses

[craggy elk]

i struggle with catching them proc tbf

and it’s hard trying to stay in melee range when i’m getting fucked by the bosses haha

[spice spire]

It’s easy

[dense badger]

You need a shiny new WA my fren

[spice spire]

You darkest night full send the max cp envenom

[craggy elk]

i’ve got a WA

[spice spire]

= fok use

[craggy elk]

it comes up with like a purple combo point

[spice spire]

And that’s the only proc you have to track

[craggy elk]

when it’s proc i think

[dense badger]

Purple combo point??? Can you share your talents for M+ pls

[craggy elk]

i always spend on like max cp on envenom anyway

i’m not at my desk atm

[dense badger]

Well that's where you're losing damage then

[craggy elk]

on mobile

[dense badger]

only send full CP Envenom on DN proc

[craggy elk]

but i’ve just copied the mythic + build

[craggy elk]

that’s where i’m going wrong then

i did think it could be that

[dense badger]

If no DN proc, then you send envenom at 5 CP

[craggy elk]

thats where i’m going wrong 👍

he’ll be getting of twice as many as me

trying to build to 7

[dense badger]

Only max send an Envnom if your Darkest Night has proc'd. Otherwise, you're wasting globas and energy that we just don't have in M+ ST

[past belfry]

That math is concerning, but the idea stands

[craggy elk]

damn something so simple

[craggy elk]

i meant like sometimes my fan of knives will give like 4 and sometimes 1

[dense badger]

At least you asked bro, now your Envenom's will be slapping some more 🙂

[craggy elk]

so if i get unlucky and get b2b 1 cp

thanks for your help lads

appreciate it

[dense badger]

All good man, always ask here there's some pro Sin gamers in this disc

[craggy elk]

is there a WA where you can make the envenom light up when your at 5 or more ?

yeah i’m fairly new to wow ear within tbf

[dense badger]

You mean your combo points?

[craggy elk]

started clearing +10 today

and yeah

[fringe root]

Also make sure you're not using your cp on your bleed finishers too early. Get the timer as low as you can in st. That allows for some more envenoms too

[craggy elk]

i’ve been refreshing them on pandemic too

without vanishing applied

[dense badger]

I mean there's no need really. Easiest way to tell, is look at how many combo points you DON'T have

[craggy elk]

i thought jt extended the powerful one from stealth

but it don’t

[dense badger]

So if you see you're missing 2 CP from being full, then send an Envenom

if you see you're 3 CP from being full, then mutilate/FoK then Envenom

[past belfry]

It’s all CP spenders except for darkest envenoms, right?

That are 5+

[dense badger]

Yes

[craggy elk]

so i don’t need to max cp rupture either?

[dense badger]

5 is the sweet spot, anything extra is hekin noice. But if you build to 5 then send at 5. No need to build further for ruptures/CT. If you proc past 5 combo points it's just a nice lil merry christmas extra

[craggy elk]

i’m sure i get two full ruptures b2b after applying my garrotes

[dense badger]

No bro waduhek

Seeing your talents would help a lot more

[craggy elk]

i think i’m wasting so much time building my cp

[dense badger]

I think so too 😛

[craggy elk]

what do you do when your out of energy too?

do you just keep your bleeds up

[dense badger]

Just pool some, while maintaining envenom

[craggy elk]

i copied the mythic + build from key veins i think or wowhead

[dense badger]

Always keep bleeds up

[balmy condor]

Running out of energy just happens in single target

[craggy elk]

the one with two vanishes

[dense badger]

if your Rupture or Garrote is in it's pandemic window then refresh

[craggy elk]

yeah that’s where i struggle

[balmy condor]

That’s where the spec struggles

[craggy elk]

yeah in aoe i’m fine

cus of the energy restoration from the bleeds

[dense badger]

Only really need to pool if KB is coming up, which you don't even really need to pool a crazy amount even then

[royal lantern]

why pool for kb

tea is up anyway

dont think, just slam

[dense badger]

Not if you're spamming in M+ build 😛

[craggy elk]

does having max energy help kings?

[dense badger]

some people still aren't used to the auto tea haha

[craggy elk]

yeah do i not need to pop the tea manually ever?

seen it has a nice mastery boost

[dense badger]

It can but not gonna make a huge diff

150 energy is fine to have before popping KB tbh

[royal lantern]

tea has 1min cd

kb has 1min cd

its always up

[craggy elk]

do you use deathmark why stealthed?

[royal lantern]

you literally cant use kb and NOT have tea for it

[vagrant brook]

you can if you spam and auto proc it

[craggy elk]

i get bleeds up then deathmark,tea,kingsbane,shit

shiv

[dense badger]

If you're spamming then yes you can

[royal lantern]

........

guys

pls

think for 2seconds what you just wrote

[dense badger]

I don't have the issue personally, but I've seen on streams people spamming and not having it up

We're talking M+ btw, not raid

[royal lantern]

how

[dense badger]

Tank pulling 2 mobs before a boss is how

[royal lantern]

aoe? you have infinite energy in aoe

2 enemys is endless energy allready lol

[craggy elk]

yeah i don’t struggle for energy on mobs

mainly just ST it just drains eventually

feel pathetic stood there 😂😂😂😂

poking them with my daggers

[vagrant brook]

as long as you can maintain at least one stack of envenom, rupture, and garrote, you're fine

[craggy elk]

appreciate all of your helps anyway i’m sure i’ll be a lot better tomorrow

are you supposed to hit an envenom when there’s 1 second left on the timer as well?

for a 10% buff to it

[blazing pumice]

it has pandemic

so yes, you want to milk that 10% dmg buff as much as possible, but the buff itself follows pandemic rules

[balmy condor]

Dude it’s legit Deja Vu we just did this like 10 hours ago

And they didn’t get that 1 min = 1 min either

I’m tweaking

[runic hinge]

Tweaking off that tea!!!

[spice spire]

Hey tweaking I’m quake!

[craggy elk]

cheers mate

i’ll let you know if i’m still shit tomorrow 😂😂😂

should be getting a lot more damage now

[vagrant brook]

a new player playing assa can definitely run out of tea stacks for the 2nd KB during a boss in M+

[craggy elk]

yeah i do sometimes

[balmy condor]

Brother

[craggy elk]

when i’m spamming too many buttons lol

[balmy condor]

No shot you just doubled down

On something so profoundly dumb

You’re better than this man

[vagrant brook]

this guy just proved me right dude

im not saying you're wrong tho

[balmy condor]

Okay so you cast a tea at the start of kingsbane right

What’s the cooldown on kingsbane

And what’s the cooldown on tea

They’re both 1 min

So fast forward 1 min later

What’s coming off cd

Kb and tea

At the same time

Cause they’re both 1 min

It doesn’t matter how many stacks you have

They legit just come off cooldown at the same time

If you’re casting kb on cd, like you should to keep it synced to deathmark

You will ALWAYS have a tea

Every single time

[craggy elk]

actually yeah your right 😂😂😂

i don’t think i do run out i can’t do

[balmy condor]

You run out, yes

[craggy elk]

it’s inpossiblr

😂😂😂

[balmy condor]

But you always get a charge back during your kb

So while yes you’re at 0

[craggy elk]

i run out but not in kb window

[balmy condor]

It’ll be back

[balmy condor]

And that’s totally fine and intended

[craggy elk]

is there a reason you shiv on last 8 seconds?

[balmy condor]

We’re a burst spec

[craggy elk]

always wondered why

[balmy condor]

Most of our damage is from deathmark/kb

[balmy condor]

It’s to ensure Kingsbane is stacked before buffing it

[craggy elk]

i’ve seen guides saying to shiv at start

and on last 8 secs

[balmy condor]

Yeah with 2 charges

M+ builds typically have 1

And since kb ramps, the second one is the more important one

[vagrant brook]

yeah I'm wrong mb
I thought you could somehow desync them and not have it for the last 8 secs of KB

[balmy condor]

Could happen but only if you’re holding kb and then also bottoming out on energy and auto drinking before the kb happens again

Which like yeah could happen

But that’s a different issue rotationally

Where you’re just like not pressing kb

[vagrant brook]

yeah but it doesnt arise just from spamming

but from delaying KB

[craggy elk]

i always try and save it for bosses

[vagrant brook]

so that's where I was confusing myself

[craggy elk]

probably losing dps by not using it enough

does kings spreads through spatter or is it purely st?

last question i promise and im out 😂👍

[royal lantern]

ofc it cleaves with splatter

thats kinda the big aoe dmg, chose a big target, dm+kb and splatter cleaves for big numbers

[craggy elk]

so it’s worth using on aoe dps aswell then?

yeah i need to use them more as well then

[vagrant brook]

KB just use on CD in M+ on a big mob that will survive the duration
unless the boss is right up next

even if you have to wait a couple of seconds on the boss

it wont be that much

[craggy elk]

sweet 👍

cheers boys catch you later

[past belfry]

this may be a silly question, but I just keep seeing folks do it:

if there are only 3 targets in the pull (gross), do you still rupture twice with bonespikes? or do you use those extra cps to like CT ?

seems like that would only be used if you need to spread to more than 3 targets, but I didn't know if there are like.. duration benefits or something?

[balmy condor]

one rupture will cast 3 bone spikes with carnage

so you only need to cast 1 rupture

[uneven crag]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[uneven crag]

/platter

[native heron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[native heron]

How do I know when to refresh envenom when I’m using twist the knife? I’m not sure why it confuses me so much

[balmy condor]

you don't play around twist the knife

[native heron]

Okee

[spice spire]

What if instead of twist the knife it was actually freak the knife and instead of two stacks of envenom it was two feet doing a job. Ya feel?

(Walking)

[balmy condor]

real okay I see the vision

[spice spire]

[uneven crag]

is snapshotting for bleeds still a thing, like with a tempered potion?

[spice spire]

No the only snapshot is Ct

Which snapshots targets hit

[runic hinge]

Snapshot this

[uneven crag]

I meannn if ur into that

[runic hinge]

Take a pic to remember forever

I’m going back to feral where the real snapshotting exists

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pearly-gates-cat-gif-12548368082789706344

[runic hinge]

Tell em Ryler

[ember mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1225450138269519923/4x.gif

[balmy condor]

What

[spice spire]

(This is a real text I’ve received)

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-rule6-discord-dbz-gif-22504372

[spice spire]

It’s chill I’m plowing her rn, you’re safe for a few days

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

You don’t need this. Leave that server

[cedar flicker]

a lot of cats pictures

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[rotund oak]

Fan clubs.. 🤣

[hardy prairie]

do you guys hold cds for damage amp on mythic court or do you just use them as they come ?

[balmy condor]

Depends a lot on your guilds strat and intermission timings

Generally safe to slam on cd if you aren’t holding dps

[hardy prairie]

yea thats the main reason im asking, i see a lot of all star logs that save for amp but im unsure if thats the way for prog/our timing

[balmy condor]

Time for you to log dive and do some math I suppose

[hardy prairie]

agony

[balmy condor]

It’s not that bad you’re playing a cd class, planning cds comes with the territory

[hardy prairie]

yea but its so much easier to be told what to do by people who do the work for me :)

[rotund oak]

wild

[dawn seal]

Helo

How's everyone

[slate crown]

IM DOING GREAT

FOR LEGAL REASONS THAT WAS A JOKE

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[subtle tundra]

HOWS YO LOGS?

[dawn seal]

I ALEPT WHOLEDAY YESTERDAY

After work I went to bed at 6pm

Woke up at 8 am

[slate crown]

🫡

[dawn seal]

today I have a queen prog

It might be cursed

We are gonna do whispyrs fav ring strat

[subtle tundra]

👽

[dawn seal]

I can't wait to be called out for doing mechanics correctly

Is ryzen 5 5600

A bad cpu for this game

[royal lantern]

or when on the kill pull the guy that is on your ring step macro just dies

so you try to do a normal step quickly with your mouseover step

[dawn seal]

[royal lantern]

just for the entire arena to count as ansureks big booty

:3

1st death from my side that was not a wipe call in 3weeks->kill pull

every single time

[dawn seal]

let's see

I hope I have legs and brains now

And I won't die to slow approaching puddles

[subtle tundra]

big ask

[clever sapphire]

aight guys, we gonna be starting court prog tonight, any tips in specific that i should look out for?

[quiet oar]

[silent drift]

for mythic queen, vanish and cloak the only thing that breaks tombs?

[quiet oar]

Oh no

[quiet oar]

yes

[silent drift]

how troll would it to be to run double vanish

to have a break every tombs

[balmy condor]

very

incredibly troll in fact

[subtle tundra]

so troll youd look like a makeshift gnome

[clever sapphire]

i dont want to be on the red side on court right?

[serene solar]

Yeah what boss do we want to start on for myth court if we can choose?

[quiet oar]

I was

But its prolly not ideal for P3

[clever sapphire]

i mean we are just starting out, so im just asking in general

[quiet oar]

I mean till P3 its whatever imo

But in P3, you cant use the first DMG amp of the charge boi

because you are doing the webs and go to the caster

so you prolly use your CDs on the caster mob without DMG amp

or you hold till DMG amp of hte caster, but idk if you lose a use because of that

but other than that, i think its whatever on which side you are i think

[clever sapphire]

hmm aight fair enough

thx

[quiet oar]

i was on red side, because i did web in P1

[clever sapphire]

doing webs seems whatever from what im getting, since the dmg amp comes after the webs anyways

does blue side literally just have no job?

[quiet oar]

Yep

They had to soak more orbs in P1

but they nerfed that

so its literally no job for blue

only thing blue has to do, is to stand in the middle in p3 for two web vortexes

So red team can do webs and soak blue orbs

[clever sapphire]

smart

well thats like 300 pulls away still anyways

[quiet oar]

Yeah

and keep in mind, you still have to do the whole fight

DMG buff and ring does nothing

I think everybody runs into the double DMG amp before beserk

[clever sapphire]

ye thats not something i wanted to hear after 209 pulls on kyveza

[quiet oar]

like on queen

you can prolly skip the second portal Set in P3

if you have enough dmg

but Silken Court needs to played till the end

reminds me of Anduin

Was kinda the same

[clever sapphire]

makes sense why people say that queen is easier than court in that case

[quiet oar]

i mean its way easier with the 5 orb death

and that web bombs dont spawn orbs anymore

and one less dispell

[clever sapphire]

how would you even get to 5 orbs tho, assuming everyone drops one orb you have a max of 10. One guy would have to soak half the orbs for that to happen

[quiet oar]

It can happen in Intermission

when you refresh the buff

Like you take 2 early

and refresh a third while moving

and if you dont pay attention, you can walk into two more

[rare jackal]

or people are reckless with soaking
we had two go off last rekill

[clever sapphire]

hmm okay, dunno in my head it sounds so much easier

everyone get one orb

done

[quiet oar]

And some people are lazy

[rain coral]

guys anyone got that macro for poison auto applying?

[rare jackal]

silken court was annoying to prog but is fun to rekill on

[clever sapphire]

macro for poison auto apply

[rare jackal]

complete opposite of kyveza

[clever sapphire]

why you no click the poisons

its 2 clicks

well 4

[clever sapphire]

dont think i will ever see kyveza again

[quiet oar]

I like kyveza

But i think

Queen still gets a nerf

[rain coral]

well it would be nice to one buttom

[rare jackal]

why is that

[quiet oar]

Well he is at court rn

[rare jackal]

she was the best fight in the raid to prog on imo

[clever sapphire]

we just got to court, they will just extend id

[rain coral]

there has to be a macro for that

[rare jackal]

but i hate her in rekills, cause its annoying to parse on and one of the most engaging parts of the fight (managing defensives) is kinda whatever now

[rare jackal]

ah makes sense

[quiet oar]

Well yeah

[royal lantern]

nope

[quiet oar]

Parsing is like roll the dice on her

Get a charge?

[rain coral]

yeah iam sure there has to be one

[quiet oar]

well get fucked

[rare jackal]

yeah exactly, its especially egregious on sub lol

[clever sapphire]

pff talk about yourself, i still had to rotate my defensives in intermission

[quiet oar]

Same for sin

[rare jackal]

i loved smolderon on rekills cause it was 100% a skill check to do damage every time

[quiet oar]

When you get the second charge

its when you want to use kingsbane

so you either apply it before and lose KB buffs

or maybe lose a use

[rare jackal]

ah yeh

[quiet oar]

overall

[rare jackal]

that sucks indeed

[royal lantern]

always commit

never think

just slam

[rare jackal]

thats why ive been enjoyng silken court more on rekills, cause you can optimize damage without getting fucked by rng

[royal lantern]

parses are a meme anyway, embrace it

[quiet oar]

yeye

Im a proud owner of a 16 Log on Curt

and 14 on Queen

Haven to hold cds for like 50-60 Seconds on queen

[royal lantern]

how2get 99-100on most kills:

play fatebound and get tails to a 16chain once

[rare jackal]

based responsible grey log andy

[royal lantern]

skill based game btw

[gloomy heart]

[loud hearth]

Why out of curiosity?

[quiet oar]

30 Seconds to hold for intermission

and another 30 Seconds, because they come up in P2 but they are wasted because adds die in no time

so i hold for P3

and i do gateways

so no time to apply CDs in P2 anyways

[subtle tundra]

so do i and i get 97

[quiet oar]

But you are Gamer Varas and im not Gamer Tiramil

[subtle tundra]

youre bad

[quiet oar]

You see the difference

[subtle tundra]

true

shit man

[loud hearth]

Meh, I send KB in intermission, and then 2mins on 2nd platform.

But I do portals on 3rd platform so that's easier I guess.

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[quiet oar]

Idk man

You dont have to do me like that

[royal lantern]

what is even to send there tbh

the 2nd platform adds die when dm/kb are not even halfway done for us

[quiet oar]

i do portals right after intermission and Platform 2

[royal lantern]

feels so weird

[loud hearth]

It's true, but better than not using at all was my thinking

[hexed frost]

This fcking shaman popped 12 million DPS on first pull NW even before my Kingsbane was 50% through

https://tenor.com/view/memes-jesus-christ-kids-gif-12765867

[quiet oar]

You kill her prolly at 7:30 right?

[hexed frost]

GIVE THE DF S3 TIER SET BACK YOU FCUKING LOSERS REEEEEEEEEEE

[royal lantern]

its literally a talent you play rn

[subtle tundra]

8:01 with boost

[quiet oar]

Isnt that right after portals?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[quiet oar]

Oof

[subtle tundra]

well we know how to do the portals

cause we needed for prog

[quiet oar]

Whats you charname again Want to compare stuff

[subtle tundra]

Mr. Private Log

[quiet oar]

We also play 2nd portals

Maybe if we dont have deaths in P1 and p3

we can skip 2nd portals

[subtle tundra]

what i do is use cds ASAP in p3

dm on cd, kb on cd

[quiet oar]

ye

[royal lantern]

ahajahahahhahahahahahahahaha

[subtle tundra]

also mandate very good

[royal lantern]

the mage/paladin/priest will still die 10sec into the fight

[subtle tundra]

i think

[royal lantern]

SOMEHOW

[quiet oar]

dude we have a fury warrior

[fringe crater]

Wait why do you hold for intermission? I feel like that should really not be a breakpoint for damage. Feels like you should just pop before

[quiet oar]

that literally dies

[fringe crater]

That also gives you your cds back for platform 2

[quiet oar]

everytime at the first beam on the first platform

because he forgets to speel reflect

[subtle tundra]

if you use cds on platform 2, you only get 1 set in last phase

[quiet oar]

like

he does this for 200 trie

[subtle tundra]

so its not like it good

[quiet oar]

Because i was assigned for it in porog

[subtle tundra]

yep

good man

thats what kills the boss

[quiet oar]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

less irrelevant wipes -> better prog

[fringe crater]

Well at least as a rogue you get good uptime on ansurek during intermission thanks to step

[quiet oar]

You are stepping !?

oh prolly no mouseover

[fringe crater]

Step puts you in front of her

[subtle tundra]

i step the 2nd

[fringe crater]

for some reason, so it's super legit

[quiet oar]

wait

[fringe crater]

so you deny the pullin

[quiet oar]

OH

[fringe crater]

I step the first, and cloak + step the second

[subtle tundra]

yes in the air

[fringe crater]

for limited downtime

[quiet oar]

Well

i do get a bop and use cloak to put the web in the old webs

so its kind of wahtever

[loud hearth]

It's cos we lusted at 06:30 in P3, so using twice in P3 would desync from lust

[quiet oar]

but never thought of running away and us step after pull

We use BL on Pull

[fringe crater]

yeah you run like 10 yards away at most

so you have a sec or so to step and not die

[quiet oar]

Well with BOP i dont run away so yeah

less uptime loss, but i can do it for the first one

[subtle tundra]

not lusting pull

its 2025

[fringe crater]

Yeah just feint + step the first one, is solid. Just don't put crap in melee and move a bit into the old crap when you do it

stepping puts you in the clean area anyway

[quiet oar]

Feint doesnt do anything

afaik

[fringe crater]

Feint should work on wrest

[quiet oar]

except you have elusivness

No