that is how the spec works
#assassination
ebon ingot
yeah mb
ebon ingot
alright ill give it a go, do i use more mutilate or fan of knives
bright tartan
poisoned knife
ebon ingot
really?
ebon ingot
lol was gonna say wtf never seen that
bright tartan
bro don't you pull mobs with poisoned knife?
ebon ingot
na i leave pulling to the tanks
balmy condor
he's just trolling cause it's a bit of a silly question
ebon ingot
ah gotcha
sorry im new to the spec/dps, started like 10 days ago
was healing for like ages lol
balmy condor
yah all good
it's just regular rules
nothing changes between m+ and raid rotationally
brave comet
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
grim vigil
does anyone have a macro for shadowmeld into stealth? Currently im shadowmelding then pressing (or trying to press) stealth after, but sometimes either im too slow or the situation doesnt allow it i guess. When i use this combo i try to move away from the pack a bit but it still sometimes fails. Is this intended? Am i too slow hence the macro question?
whole mason
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
empty hinge
When is parry getting removed from the game
coral ibex
next week
runic hinge
When is parry getting removed from the game
when you respec to trickster sub
balmy condor
Next patch surely
grim vigil
anyone have a different build for low keys than this
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goes pretty hard tho
limber lion
How about you link a picture of the talents instead of the string
What are "low keys" to you?
Envenom being so high on a low key is pretty sus
grim vigil
limber lion
Yeah, pretty standard bleed build
That's what I run up to 10's if I'm messing around with friends
Your bleeds should be much higher though
Same with Sudden Demise
If you play a bleed build, then fully play around the bleeds
Don't do the normal Spatter rotation that you would do, especially if you run the variant without KB
Just full bleeds on everything that moves
grim vigil
dmg breakdown is fine
limber lion
It's not, but sure
limber lion
Alright
But yeah, that is basically the build that people use for low keys, or changing AP to Kingsbane if they want more damage on bosses
But that's about it
pastel cradle
so is the bleed build is better at higher keys?
limber lion
No
limber lion
Yeah that's fine, breakdown is a bit weird but nothing too critical
Spatter could be higher, Kingsbane should probably be somewhere
But you're chilling
pastel cradle
thanks ill try to pay attention to kingsbane, often goes unnoticed
limber lion
Kingsbane and Spatter is basically the main source of damage in AoE/ST
Get KB down consistently and you're blasting
pastel cradle
thanks for that. i was only throwing it toward the boss with shiv right before, but knowing that i can throw it more often ill focus that from now on
limber lion
Yeah just slam it on cooldown, don't worry about it too much
1 min is a very short cooldown, so it's much better to use it often than hold it for too long
thorn thorn
Alright
Dont worry people love to post stuff in class discords and act like they are the only ones right
The experience is universal
supple spindle
so wowhead/IV guides are good? can i just copypaste build from there or do i better go take a look at WL/archon for better perspective right away?
keen spruce
basically
runic hinge
the guides are good
keen spruce
all of hte builds do the same damn thing
the only major choices you're making are double vanish and iron wire
and those aren't really that major
actually subt vs no subt has the biggest rotational impact
and even that is pretty minimal
you're trading some AoE for ST or visa versa
golden loom
just play double vanish and enjoy life
keen spruce
in all of the different setups
or utility for damage
if you're asking if the wowhead guides are good, then yes they will give you everything you need
if you're at a level to use the builds that they're running in like 18s+
then you wouldn't be askin the question in the first place
keen spruce
just play double vanish and enjoy life
I stopped playing double vanish in several keys this week 
it's come full circle
basically just the old fkin hybrid build from the start of the season
golden loom
depends on what ur trying to do aswell ofc
like I just do weekly 10s/11s at the most so I just wanna sit back and relax
keen spruce
oh yeah then just grab w/e makes you comfy
normally all of the utility and vanishes
and probably SD
golden loom
ye
supple spindle
then you wouldn't be askin the question in the first place
ye, that's totally true, just was curious how good are guides for the spec
cuz some other class guides are kinda meh
keen spruce
ye, that's totally true, just was curious how good are guides for the spec
yeah the guides are good. whispyr very attentive
they won't match the top log builds 1:1
but there's a lot of very specifc "optimizations" for very tiny gains
at super high keys
that don't really matter to everyone else
you'd be fine running guide builds or log builds for the most part
supple spindle
i mean, builds are mostly the same for st, right? most differences are mostly for utility as well?
keen spruce
although some of the top keys they're running a much more ST focused build that will make your overall suffer in most pug settings
limber lion
i mean, builds are mostly the same for st, right? most differences are mostly fo...
If by ST you mean raid, then yeah
In raid the choices are basically just ct or no ct and spatter or no spatter.
coarse aurora
Do increases to magical damage effect our poisons and plague damage?
Like for example chaos brand and like nightborne passive
bronze pike
yep
coarse aurora
Oh sweet
And out of interest, do bleeds count as physical damage? Like would monk buff that?
hollow river
Iirc ye
coarse aurora
Interesting, I'm learning a lot today, thanks โค๏ธ
silk bane
pretty sure bleed ignores armor
coarse aurora
That makes sense
silk bane
hollow river
Ye
coarse aurora
Bleed is always the most scary thing when I'm tanking by far
hollow river
Do they not still get the extra dmg from monk buff?
silk bane
not sure the interaction. theyre physical. if monk increases physical damage taken then they probably do more
if its armor reduction then no effect
bronze pike
based take
silk bane
based
bronze pike
but also not what i ment
coarse aurora
not sure the interaction. theyre physical. if monk increases physical damage tak...
They increase phys damage taken
hollow river
Ye
coarse aurora
but also not what i ment
Elaborate
bronze pike
bleeds shouldnt be scary for any tank tbh
royal lantern
bleeds are just often used as the big tank dots cus they cant be disppelled
bronze pike
and dwarve racial memes only save ya once every 2mins
bronze pike
bleeds are just often used as the big tank dots cus they cant be disppelled
that edit
clean
normal mist
You mean "can also save you"
coarse aurora
I must be playing the wrong tank then because all the times I've played tank bleeds fkn hurt
normal mist
It's literally +1 defensive to a whole toolkit
bronze pike
gotta plan your mitigations cds accordingly if you know a huge bleed is coming up
bronze pike
It's literally +1 defensive to a whole toolkit
ya im not gonna argue against that
coarse aurora
.... obviously
bronze pike
but generally its not really "needed"
maybe in cutting edge
but even then thats a stretch
royal lantern
<:elmo2:977748143087169556>
german phone layout man, B and N are next to eachother
coarse aurora
But that still means, bleeds hurt, like tank busters
bronze pike
idk i dont find em scary when i tank
normal mist
I don't play dwarf as well but I respect the defensive part of the race
bronze pike
i hit brand or meta and just pog away healing the damage with spb
coarse aurora
Ahh so you're playing a heal tank, that explains it lol
when I play VDH bleeds are a meme
coarse aurora
ppal is a heal tank too tho. Things like pwar it's a little rough
bronze pike
warrior i think have somewhat of ai ssue with bleeds but thats probably me just not playing em as best as i could
coarse aurora
Only thing you can do against bleeds really is to use a flat dr mitigation or just heal
bronze pike
every tank has something that can make bleeds somewhat easier to deal with
coarse aurora
Oh for sure
coarse aurora
Unironically this when playing pwar^
bronze pike
again i can ask
coarse aurora
fully stacked IP gets consumed in 1 second and you are basically just waiting to get healed
runic hinge
Just bop yourself for bleeds 
bronze pike
shield wall if anything flat dr for bleeds
and its not like shield wall isnt accessable often
coarse aurora
When I played pwar in DF with a ret, I would get them to bop me when I had aoe taunt. It worked really well tbh
coarse aurora
Not doing high enough keys then imo. Bleeds hit REALLY hard the higher you go
It's just more that bleeds are often snuck in and catch you unaware a lot of the time
bronze pike
then thats just bad enviromental awareness
coarse aurora
Tank busters are more timed and you can plan, but bleeds often just come out on top of tank busters
bronze pike
again i know people who tank near peak keys and bleeds arnt really a issue
normal kindle
Are you all staying ASSA spec for next patch or some ppl considering switching spec. to have a NEW feeling ???
bronze pike
and frankly even during the time i did push fairly high, i didnt find bleeds to be a issue
but i do know that tank skill gets lower as you climb
coarse aurora
I haven't pushed high this season because pugs are ass but S3 and S4 DF I found a few dungeons to be rough
I wasn't playing VDH then though tbf
I think I did 25-27s with pwar and it was rough lmao
coarse aurora
Not wrong
bronze pike
it just vdh was meta cause it had 7 stops and allowed dps to go ape brain
coarse aurora
I actually main VDH but I just refused to play it in those seasons because it felt too payphone lmao
bronze pike
and yes it shelled out alot of performance for minimum effort
coarse aurora
Yea but also it had like 70% uptime on a 50% parry
bronze pike
not wrong either
coarse aurora
Reminded me of BDK back in end of SL
bronze pike
but again, every tank that season had alot of tools to simulate those defensive gains
coarse aurora
Perma DRW uptime lol
bronze pike
vdh was just brain dead easy
coarse aurora
^
bronze pike
yoda/dorki/noawh insert popular streamer tank here could have made alot of his peak keys easier if they actually learned how to vdh
round nexus
Been away for a while, what's the most popular M+ builds currently?
bronze pike
check guides
coarse aurora
I remember when I was talking in the DH discord about the PTR VDH and I said that you could have almost perma uptime on fiery brand in S3 and everyone said nah BDK is gonna be meta theyre broken
earnest remnant
fav thing in season 3 was watching a VDH full channel fel dev on the squid head boss in throne of tides just to get absolutely FUCKED
bronze pike
that was fun
coarse aurora
no one smart anyways
So basically, 90% of the DH discord then
bronze pike
my favorite part of vdh meta was people running no spirit bomb in dungeons with 8 pull mobs
and everyone swearing up and down that spb wasnt needed for dungeons like academy
coarse aurora
fav thing in season 3 was watching a VDH full channel fel dev on the squid head...
That boss was HARD countered by spikes and flame sigil uptime lol. You literally didn't need any other defensives
coarse aurora
On my ppal on that boss I was PANIK but on VDH it was payphone 15 ilvls lower lol
earnest remnant
alot of people didn't know that you cant parry during fel dev
coarse aurora
fel dev cancel was meta basically all through DF tbh
bronze pike
another fav part of dragonflight vdh was when naowh shilled revel in pain when it was bugged to not work 70% of the time and argued with everyone about it
that was fun
df was a fun expansion for vdh very fun
i hope it never happens again
coarse aurora
DF was a fun expansion for m+ tbh. Man how good we had it back then
Pugging was so much better
bronze pike
shadowlands was also a fun expansion
round nexus
I see most high key players are dropping Iron Wire, but i suppose that would be trolling if pugging..
bronze pike
very much yes
runic hinge
Correct
bronze pike
i dont see a reason to drop iron wire at all
coarse aurora
That's what I always say but everyone hates on it because shadowlands bad eks dee
bronze pike
especially while pugging
the point i was making that stuff thats gone will always be looked at fondly
pugging wasnt better in df
earnest remnant
SL is an expansion i prefer to forget about
bronze pike
pugging is always ass
coarse aurora
Iron wire basically helps the tanks to group pulls in almost every key this season. It's the most broken talent we have imo
round nexus
Iron wire basically helps the tanks to group pulls in almost every key this seas...
yeah, i did a few keys without it playing with friends, and i feel useless ๐
bronze pike
but granted, m+ this expansion feels bad cause of the insta casting after a stop
coarse aurora
pugging wasnt better in df
Idk I pugged to 3k every season I played and this season i have yet to even pug to 2.5k
ember locust
Does IW cause DR?
coarse aurora
Although it's also because I have like 9 alts
bronze pike
so doubling down on the worst part of df dungeons
bronze pike
I usually drop IW if I have a protpala
thats sus
i would not rely on prot palaidns at all unless your absolutely sure theyre decent
round nexus
TTK -- No need to play around it in any way?
golden loom
I mean prot paladins already silence shit when they pull
and I am not taking ironwire for the DR 
coarse aurora
i would not rely on prot palaidns at all unless your absolutely sure theyre dece...
That's basically what it was for 80% of VDH players in DF. Everyone and their mother is fotm rolling to ppal and have no idea how to play it
Does a silence have DR? I thought it was only stuns tbh
bronze pike
i see two tanks
coarse aurora
Might be wrong tho
golden loom
nah they dont diminish
coarse aurora
Honestly so real
golden loom
also abbrevations are awkward in the conversation of iron wire
bronze pike
you gotta be insane mentally and cracked out on bear to get that far
golden loom
Damage Reduction and Diminishing Returns kinda fried
coarse aurora
I played disc this season a lot, and seeing my ppal not use a defensive for first boss DB and basically kill the group with tempered in battle scarred me
bronze pike
every non prot paladin tank i had this season that had decent io, ended up giving me the smoothest keys so far
bronze pike
TTK -- No need to play around it in any way?
i dont believe so no
coarse aurora
I wanted to ask about Sudden Demise. My understanding is that it is good for low keys but the higher you go the more value it loses. Is that correct?
round nexus
I've seen several high key players drop it, but idk what's correct damage wise
runic hinge
Does IW cause DR?
Yes
royal lantern
I wanted to ask about Sudden Demise. My understanding is that it is good for low...
not really
98% of its value is the 10% bleed dmg
bronze pike
I've seen several high key players drop it, but idk what's correct damage wise
i wouldnt focus on what the highest people are doing
royal lantern
not the "execute"
bronze pike
if your not in that level yourself
runic hinge
Does IW cause DR?
Wait do you mean damage reduction or diminishing returns
royal lantern
Wait do you mean damage reduction or diminishing returns
DN
runic hinge
Darkest night!
bronze pike
also are you refering to ttk or iw?
ember locust
Wait do you mean damage reduction or diminishing returns
Diminishing returns with the silence duration.
elfin valley
For those running iron wire are yall dropping i assume bone spike for it?
pliant remnant
No, 'cause I don't hate myself
solar wyvern
For those running iron wire are yall dropping i assume bone spike for it?
People drop sanguine blades last I checked
west crown
For those running iron wire are yall dropping i assume bone spike for it?
Drop one of twist the knife, sudden demise, or sanguine blades. All roughly the same damage overall
dusk juniper
Drop iron wire take all the dmg stuff and just press cloak ๐๐ป๐๐ป๐๐ป fuck pugs anyways ๐
elfin valley
Drop one of twist the knife, sudden demise, or sanguine blades. All roughly the ...
How are u still getting 2 of those with SBS?
or are u only runnin 1?
subtle tundra
Drop iron wire take all the dmg stuff and just press cloak ๐๐ป๐๐ป๐๐ป fuck pug...
L
stay bad
normal mist
A very stupid take yeah
hollow heath
hi, new to assa rogue, just doing some +10 keys: is 626 crit-mastery ring better then 619 queen ring?
normal mist
If you CAN help complete the key, iron wire is op
lone ore
Hi guys, I have a doubt with the talent that supercharges you 2 combo points, I'm supposed to use the 7 points to make a ''9 points hit'' (I don't even know if the game contemplates it or ignores it, that's why the doubt) or that I should use them when I have 5 to make a 7 points hit?
normal mist
Tldr you don't think about it.
If you want to really think about it, it's always a +2 to whatever combo point you're at
If you're at 5, then it's a 7
If you're at 3, then it's a 5
lone ore
and if you are at 7 its a 9?
normal mist
Yes
You can "minmax" it by doing math
Imagine you need 7cp for darkest night but you have supercharger up and are at 5cp
You can envenom at 5
But that requires looking and thinking
pliant remnant
and if you are at 7 its a 9?
lone ore
yes yes that's easy, the question was that I thought that throwing it with 7 points was a waste because the maximum damage was 7 points, not 9.
normal mist
Nah you're good homie, you're just hitting a fatass finisher
normal mist
hollow heath
<:sim:353616825847906304>
I have never done SIM, how does it work?
normal mist
Hmmmmm
Download sim craft addon first
I know there's a command somewhere for that
!simcraft
pliant remnant
I have never done SIM, how does it work?
hollow heath
thank you!
pliant remnant
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
normal mist
Oh it was simGUIDE
Not simCRAFT
It's not like I have access to all commands or something
(I do)
pliant remnant
(he does)
pliant remnant
Waiting for Caustic Spatter and Crimson Tempest to go on a choice node
sullen hollow
if that happens then rip CT
final dawn
royal lantern
if that happens then rip CT
well, could help if they
make Splatter drop of harder on bigger target counts
so CT is mass aoe and splatter is cleave
royal lantern
well yeha, cus blizz decided that only envenom does dmg
and rupture/garrote only exist to look funny and generate energy 
primal jolt
Hello and bye pino
rogues need some love that's all
seeing so many classes get visual updates and such
normal mist
No, you need some love
primal jolt
normal mist
And you're in the right place
primal jolt
royal lantern
lyric coral
is it worth to get each color gem to make culminating blasphemite proc ?
lyric coral
i sim it on top gear and just pick 1 color of each gem right ?
dawn heath
respectable numbers for sure
u did not play ironwire in your GB though
i checked your run
winged sun
u did not play ironwire in your GB though
Ah
Usually i do
Weird
I think i went for no ironwire because the grp could do it
And live with it
crystal igloo
Truuuuue
royal lantern
i sim it on top gear and just pick 1 color of each gem right ?
yes
if its a gain,it will use them
but like i said, its more like a 50/50
cus the effect is kinda a meme 
lyric coral
if its a gain,it will use them
it was 0.4% xd
royal lantern
yeha, thats within margin of error btw
like, you can re-sim and there is a chance it gives a different result
its just not a strong effect, 0,15% more crit dmg for each gem
0,15% is more or less nothing, so its kinda normal that sometimes its better for you to just use a normal gem setup
my sims is using only 2 different gem colors
proper seal
any tips for surviving iron volley on 2nd boss in boralus? >+14
royal lantern
feint with elusivness skilled
proper seal
ah ppl run elusiveness on higher keys?
royal lantern
and do you mean ricochet?
proper seal
yeah
royal lantern
ah ppl run elusiveness on higher keys?
i mean yeha
shit+ is literally just "survive 1hits lol" for 2 expansions now
and rogue without elusivness is squishy against frequent dmg cus you have nothing against it
proper seal
thats what it felt like, i died from ricochet and on last boss i at least have some tools to survive it with both cloak and dwarf passive
royal lantern
well, welcome to rogue in m+ above +12 keys
you take elusivness
and press feint everytime dmg happens
enjoy pressing feint every 20seconds 
solar wyvern
No tyran u see
The fun is actually figuring out when you can greed and not press feint
Surely
:^)
spice surge
any tips for surviving iron volley on 2nd boss in boralus? >+14
Cloak, evasion, feint with elusiveness and pot
gentle rover
My brother in rogue please just hit the button
spice surge
well, welcome to rogue in m+ above +12 keys
Tbf this season theres an unusual amount of stuff feint already works on
spice spire
Cloak, evasion, feint with elusiveness and pot
Okay but feint is on PTT and sometimes Iโm missing charged
What about now mister raichu man
royal lantern
yo eleem, quick stupid question
queen
if i have a essence, i can use cloak and nothing weird happens right
scared that i drop it or smth like that
winged sun
Yes it is after last boss
Otherwise โdamage doneโ meter on the left wont show as 3.11m
And total overall 3.12m
Not sure if that matters but ye
vestal fractal
hello guys, question: cant seem to get a neck out of m+ raid or whatever, so thinking about crafting one. obv only because i cant seem to replace my stupid veteran neck after all this time. but what embellishment is best. or is it even worth talking about. i hear lens is like 0.5 % of dmg. how about null stone?
sharp viper
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
normal mist
Was that a dungeonslice sim or patchwerk?
hollow heath
topgear
lol I should read more xd
But maybe queen ring spreads nature damage more in m+?
dense badger
I think queen ring is just amazing in general for us
royal lantern
its not better for assa
its just a ring with a minor dmg effect
same as it is for everyone
spice surge
What
golden loom
got my timed 10 city of threads, never touching that shit again frfr
fallow canopy
topgear
on sim options below gear, enchant, gems, etc there is this panel
also on a finished sim its shown here:
golden loom
fuck CoT, siege and stonevault
golden loom
idk every pug run just feels like the biggest shitfest
it all just falls apart on last boss
dapper cradle
yeee last boss can get dicey as melee
past marten
Does this work for talents or am I trolling myself?
Seems like it doesn't work, because the condition doesn't work off the trigger
hallow token
The next armor set for rogues is based on what the two main characters wore in the opening scene of an old martial arts movie, Brotherhood of the Wolf. One of the two was played by Mark Dacascos, a martial artist you may have seen in John Wick 3, or as the Chairman's Nephew in Food Network's Iron Chef America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRCdzW3nww
coral ibex
brotherhood of the wolf is a major influence on the dark souls series too
proven jasper
good ass movie
grim jay
The next armor set for rogues is based on what the two main characters wore in t...
if I squint really hard
and forcefully induce that idea
it looks atleast similar
royal lantern
isnt it supposed to just be a generic Highwayman coat
(with a flaming skull on the head cus fantasy game)
grim jay
most likely, it would be an insane stretch to call it inspiration
grim jay
long coats and tricorn hats existed before bloodborne
I mean, going with that we can definitely call the chelsea pensioners an inspiration aswell
they are atleast as similar as bloodborne and that movie
clever kindle
what a comp
vast patio
So how we feeling on ptr
bleak ledge
placid adder
Trinket off last raid boss looks pretty pog
proven jasper
Oh thats cool
normal mist
giga crit every kb/dm window?
your first ability every 60 secs, aka your first ambush already procs this i'd say
which doesnt really line with cds
dapper cradle
your first ability every 60 secs, aka your first ambush already procs this i'd s...
yee, and then you have 30 seconds of crit
shouldn't that cover most of your opening burst?
indigo comet
anyone has weakaura for new tierset? in ptr
balmy condor
Quick Raid Testing Info
my trinket suggestions would be:
- On use -> either house of cards or funhouse lens, macroing to deathmark/kingsbane
- Passive -> seaforium pacemaker, azerokk's resonating heart, reverb radio, suspicious energy drink, mechano-core amplifier are all fine.
if you need a simple tier tracking weakaura, I have one of those: https://wago.io/mro0PYZVi
Rotation/Talents are unchanged
Things are very buggy, the jasper diamond ring is a blood pact and likely won't give you stats in your raid if you've already tested it or change groups.
tulip glade
i don t understand how crimson temptest works, because it s always a gray ability to me
can anyone explain?
spice surge
Its an aoe combo point spender
If its greyed out when you have combo points up double check that you have it specced
spice surge
You press it
runic hinge
do you have it talented?
tulip glade
hold on.
seems like i don t, actually hah
mb
for some reason i thought i had it activated
viscid spear
# Quick Raid Testing Info
my trinket suggestions would be:
- On use -> either h...
So is our tier bonus the worst? 
Winning Streak, more like Looking Bleak
wraith marsh
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
soft surge
nova python
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
why my darkest night doesn t proc after i do ambush garrote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgX2tiB7Hao like this guy here?
spice surge
If you dont get the mark its likely because ambush isnt your first global
Aka you likely auto attack before it
tulip glade
i did not auto attack..
coral ibex
then you got parried
subtle tundra
let us bring the ๐ฎ
tulip glade
by the training dummy?
muted ridge
Well you fucked up something
spice surge
You can log it if you want to be absolutely sure, but most likely its you right clicking the mob so it auto attacks before ambush
tulip glade
muted ridge
if you "ambushed" from stealth and did not proc Mark, you did not infact, ambush from stealth
subtle tundra
buddy if something thats supposed to work and then doesnt its cause you did something wrong
muted ridge
one would assume
tulip glade
i mma share screen that to you
golden loom
you can only ambush from stealth, and if you do it you apply mark
muted ridge
I'm bored sure lets see it.
tulip glade
i ambushed from stealth
golden loom
was it in raid?
subtle tundra
I'm bored sure lets see it.
let us know the conclusion
golden loom
you got a log? because I can bet you got broken out and mutilated
muted ridge
let us know the conclusion
tl;dr, was confused about WA
guy on video has Mark tracker
umbral sigil
looked at the 11.1 notes so far, is it too soon to wipe the sweat from our collective brows?
im anticipating nerfs since blizzard hates sin rogue for some reason
subtle tundra
๐คจ
pastel cradle
im anticipating nerfs since blizzard hates sin rogue for some reason
hope not, pugs been very welcoming lately lol
umbral sigil
hope not, pugs been very welcoming lately lol
lol soon as I saw we were meta in m+ and doing very well in raids i said "welp were fucked"
fallow canopy
๐ฎ
scarlet barn
if I start combat out of stealth sometimes it doesnt apply mark on full combo point envenom. why?
full combo point and nothing
fallow canopy
Do you have Darkest night?
fallow canopy
Afaik parry still applies the mark even though it does not deal damage
scarlet barn
it must be a timing issue
ill look
its usually going from pack to pack so i think it drops
clever sapphire
ah ye true, parry applies
but the mob going out of range doesnt apply it
im pretty sure it happened to me already during kyveza
tulip glade
idk if it s just dungeon scaling being weird but i feel like i don t deal too much damage to them.
drowsy lotus
is there a specific way to shadowstep on queen pull?
i tried and it didnt work
mid jump doesnt work?
drowsy lotus
i was like 15 yards away
balmy condor
if you're within the inner hexagon there's a good chance that the game considers you too close and you just get pulled in
manic coral
what part of rupture on a add that dies refunds energy? or is it serrated bonespike
balmy condor
manic coral
ah
drowsy lotus
So i was too close or i pressed it when i was too close
vivid mulch
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
4th should be first platform
balmy condor
well shield mob is the second
woven shore
Okay
balmy condor
so I would've said second platform
and not first platform
also depends when you have to portal
woven shore
Yesterday i mentioned you during raid
Cause they called me out for using mark on shield
๐๐๐๐๐๐
subtle tundra
???
balmy condor
???
woven shore
Yea
Nothing wrong
We are now so far that we are good Breaking shield without using lust
But somehow portals are a problem
subtle tundra
im still using it on shield cause i dont give a shit
balmy condor
whispyr is a tc not a fucking world first raider
also kind of a weird argument for me not knowing cd timings if I'm helping with cd timings during rwf
but okay
balmy condor
but you just said they were upset about you using on shield
woven shore
After shield is down and the mob dies which knock us up i have almost kb up again
Yes
So i used it before shield
vivid mulch
How exactly does that tricks WA work?
balmy condor
woven shore
Cause they want a cd for adds upstairs
And holding mark for almost 1:30m would be giga waste
woven shore
On what add D:
Was a little confusing Yesterday
And since your raid is more far in prog imma ask someone with more exp
balmy condor
on the add your guild wants you to kb brother
you just said they want a cooldown for it
which add did they tell you to kb
woven shore
I was only told to hold a cd for add
balmy condor
WHICH
I can't tell you to kb something if your guild is telling you to hold your kb for an add
woven shore
Wasnt clear
Thats what i meant with confusing ๐
They want me to hold cds so healers have more time to get cds back
balmy condor
How exactly does that tricks WA work?
you get the weakaura and then copy the text into a macro and it uses tricks on the tank
balmy condor
ya
woven shore
Ok sounds right
balmy condor
focus step to a mage
subtle tundra
also kind of a weird argument for me not knowing cd timings if I'm helping with ...
thats a diff game
balmy condor
I mean your saying I'm not qualified to answer a question cause I'm a tc and not a world first raider
on cooldown timings
when I literally help with exactly that
during rwf
woven shore
also kind of a weird argument for me not knowing cd timings if I'm helping with ...
Whisp the hero
balmy condor
so like idk what your arguing
woven shore
Currently im at
30% crit
15% haste
48% mastery
8% vers
Skadyr trinket and crystal of anub
subtle tundra
LOL
balmy condor
thanks for sharing
woven shore
However my guildy has slightly different gear maybe like 2-3 different items and 3ilvl higher
And rb recommend him crit gems and crit stacking trinket
subtle tundra
LOL
golden loom
Different strokes for different folks ๐ฏ
balmy condor
what are we doing bro
spice surge
what are we doing bro
Not much hbu?
subtle tundra
youre thinking like youre not playing wow
woven shore
๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
I only come online for the cyrclet ring thing or whats its called and mythic queen
Do you guys even actively play wow?
golden loom
What else is there to play
red wolf
I log in and fly circles around dornogol that's about it
woven shore
๐ตโ๐ซ๐ตโ๐ซ
golden loom
I logged in to runescape, got bored before finding a group, played 1 league game and got mad, logged back into wow to fly around while applying to heroic log runs
Idk I just perma watch youtube and chill on wow, its cozy
flint tusk
Idk I just perma watch youtube and chill on wow, its cozy
Is this the beginning of you joining the achievement farmer arch?
golden loom
Is this the beginning of you joining the achievement farmer arch?
Dont really care about achievements but I do run a bunch of old shit for tmog atm
flint tusk
i didn't either until i got bored of even doing that xD
broken chasm
which embellishment do you recommend? 2xDawnthread is my best sim but darkmoon acension+whriting armor banding is -1k st dps
spice surge
Prob dawnthread but it doesnt really matter
Theyre all turbo weak and inconsequential
bronze pike
ice age 1 is such a goated film
thorn thorn
Out of pocket, yet straight facts
craggy ruin
macro for tricks on party leader?
nova python
!tricks
dapper cradle
ice age 1 is such a goated film
Diego the goat
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
but its on tank
grim jay
macro for tricks on party leader?
pro tipp: if you dont use tricks you dont need a macro
tricks is bad
balmy condor
based
runic hinge
Imagine if tricks redirected all threat generated by the party during its duration and I could use it to grief my guildies.
Must take talent at that point
analog field
guys in this image what are the r3 r4 etc on the bottom of the raid ?
balmy condor
the rare drops
pastel cradle
so stat wise, would this be okay for my ilvl. Just focusing m+ atm. Crafted some items from "BiS overall list"
nova aspen
thorn thorn
perfect stats
What Crit/Haste/Mastery/Vers breakpoints do I need
How little crit can I have before I do zero dam
thorn thorn
Real
balmy condor
people got that like diminishing return thing
where they show the DR on their stat window or whatever
cause they think it'll help them be big brain or unlock the secrets of the universe
what if we just took that
and instead of breakpoints
it was just pokemon generations
and your entire goal was to collect each % of stat
like each pokemon
could make crit all the lightning types or mastery all the water types
yo I'm cooking
nova aspen
timber sage
Im only collecting w/e crit and mastery pokemons are
balmy condor
how will you fill your pokedex though bro
timber sage
Ill never be the one to catch em all cry in ash ketchum
Btw whispyr what do you think are the chances blizz acts upon ur article and does something about the horrible tier set lmao
thorn thorn
and your entire goal was to collect each % of stat
Does that make tertiaries % that you can only reach with tertiaries on every eligible item like shinies
runic hinge
How much crit is a legendary dog
timber sage
15k+
balmy condor
Btw whispyr what do you think are the chances blizz acts upon ur article and doe...
7
maybe 8
balmy condor
Does that make tertiaries % that you can only reach with tertiaries on every eli...
nah nah that's just the legendaries ya feel
nova aspen
hey whispyr, whats that owl u ride called
balmy condor
10% leech for ho oh
nova aspen
๐ฆ
balmy condor
hey whispyr, whats that owl u ride called
I don't think it's nice to talk about your mom like that
nova aspen
ye that boi
nova aspen
ahh kk
runic hinge
was a 6 month sub reward I think
6 month sub? Bro is locked in
balmy condor
bro you know I gotta lock in
the opps be heavy out here
that's why my girl stays strapped
pause
runic hinge
(I got the cute black kitty for the 12 month)
thorn thorn
Is that mount your favorite one
lethal arrow
that's why my girl stays strapped
u a freak fr fr
balmy condor
I like the owl
spice spire
that's why my girl stays strapped
โYou need to get laidโ
nova aspen
yeah i like it as well, im a fan of small mounts
runic hinge
Is that mount your favorite one
No I donโt have my favorite mount but Iโm working on it
BFA 7th legion 750 token moon saber
thorn thorn
I like the timewalking cloud serpent
runic hinge
The jade one?
lethal arrow
i want the cat
balmy condor
call me the timewalking cloud serpent
spice spire
My favorite is some store mount and I feel like a basic bitch
But itโs a flying dog? Hello?
lethal arrow
yeah i dislike running store mounts
lethal arrow
but at this point if ur not riding a glad mount or a mythic mount the patch of, ur a noob
timber sage
This isnt a rogue specific thing but anyone here ever get the bug where ur stuck in flight mode? My WA werent activating and couldnt figure out why but my toon is stuck in "flight" mode even when im not mounted
thorn thorn
call me the timewalking cloud serpent
The Timewalking Cloud Serpent of Hating 11.0.7
thorn thorn
So close
thorn thorn
My favorite is some store mount and I feel like a basic bitch
Could be worse
My favorite mount of all is the stormwind skychaser
tame plume
Noob Rogue do we track scent of blood stacks for keys or no?
pliant remnant
Who needs that +20% agility anyway
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
runic hinge
Some packs in there LE has some one offs
Good to make sure you have the proper number of ruptures out to be doing big dam
hardy prairie
hey im seeing a lot of people using windsingers for their ring, is there a specific reason or that ?
balmy condor
dumbfucks probably
hardy prairie
lmaooo
balmy condor
don't want to use a significant dps gain just because it's not their dps
fucking "but my mastery" headass mfers
hardy prairie
its a lot of people in the top parses, at least for mythic court from what im seeing
slate crown
fucking "but my mastery" headass mfers
how was ptr testing did you have fun
mortal badger
its a lot of people in the top parses, at least for mythic court from what im se...
it doesn't really matter don't overthink it
hardy prairie
i mean, most players metagame every small detail about this game, just doing my job
balmy condor
I mean just for parsing probably windsingers is correct
since skippers isn't directly your damage, it's everyone else
slate crown
but what if they are also using skippers?
balmy condor
but holy fucking cringe
hardy prairie
good for prog then
i assume its a better overal damage gain for the group to run it
balmy condor
if everyone had the mentality of me go windsinger for parse the entire raid loses 2% dps and no one parses
mortal badger
hardy prairie
wait yea this is interesting, the only two firghts that windsingers has more people using it in the top parses are mythic court and queen
i would think it would be the otehr way around overall
thorn thorn
it doesn't really matter don't overthink it
I have learned that a good % of people who come to class discords looking for info hate the phrase "it doesnt matter"
fallow canopy
it usually its the smallest gain possible to optimize tho
like the tea argument that happens almost every day
hardy prairie
thatโs because itโs dismissive, if the answer is that itโs a small optimization, or a preference, then say that
thorn thorn
Yup, dont remind me
I say it coming from someone who does support in a class discord
Sometimes its actually not worth worrying about but people dont like that answer
slate crown
Optimizing is fine, the issue is when people focus on that optimizing over clearly more important things that they are fucking up
thorn thorn
Or people trying to get tons of WAs to track stupid shit
hardy prairie
sure, but thatโs not what people are asking help for in that instance, youโre assuming they suck and are asking pointless questions which isnโt too fair tbh
slate crown
Like if you focus on pressing your buttons right over your gear you can get very, very far before even thinking about any stat and itemization changes
thorn thorn
Incorrect I am not assuming that
I am telling them that for a fact it is not worth worrying about
slate crown
sure, but thatโs not what people are asking help for in that instance, youโre as...
Where's the assumption?
I'm saying that when that happens (which it does) it's a problem
I didn't say that people asking for optimizations in every case is that
hardy prairie
fair enough
thorn thorn
The people that I talk to range from fresh players to mythic raiders and very rarely does their spot skill wise change the answer I give
Cuz most of the time, the people who actually can benefit from the info that is sub 2% gains already know who to talk to
hardy prairie
i just think even if itโs a small gain/loss itโs worth considering, thatโs what some people like about that game
thorn thorn
99% of people like to think they are in a place they can worry about small gains
balmy condor
how was ptr testing did you have fun
yes btw
hardy prairie
thatโs not the point, itโs fun in a way to work out small kinks
balmy condor
ovi'nax but you get to roll a ball around
thorn thorn
But in reality the whole "it doesnt matter" statement is just directed at people like this
hardy prairie
obviously no one is playing at a world first level
thorn thorn
Cuz most of the time the people worrying about their stats and shit will get more of a gain by just playing right
slate crown
yeah if "It doesn't matter" doesn't apply to you because you are genuinely above that advice and are in a position to benefit from the optimizations
then you know that
and won't care when it's said
thorn thorn
If you are at a level where it does actually matter, you already know it doesnt matter and you just do as you want
slate crown
yes btw
NGL wasn't expecting there to be a positive answer here
but that's great to hear
I'll pull up your vod and watch through when I have time to see the excitement
thorn thorn
he has been replaced
slate crown
live
balmy condor
boss was fun
fallow canopy
garbage guy is goated
balmy condor
but the parse monkeys will be fuming
balmy condor
boss is legit unparseable
slate crown
Love it, amazing
hardy prairie
nobodyโs going to be at a level where a 0.2% increase matters, itโs just part of the game to min max for a lot of people anyway
dawn seal
if everyone had the mentality of me go windsinger for parse the entire raid lose...
hey whispyr may I ask somefin
balmy condor
it's like ovi'nax but you also get an rng debuff to roll a ball around and if you roll it into the boss it does giga fuck dam, but it's also giga fuck dam based on boss max hp%
so like heroic you're rinsed if you don't 30 man
dawn seal
do u think its a giga big brain start for everyone to take healing/shielindg etc gems on the ring
for 20 people
in a raid for queen mythic
what do u think
balmy condor
fuck no lmao
dawn seal
balmy condor
that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard
dawn seal
my team wants to try that
balmy condor
your team is full of idiots
dawn seal
all the raid buffs etc they say dmg is no issue so
slate crown
Will that genuinely save your from damage?
thorn thorn
Let them cook
dawn seal
dawn seal
I am not rage bating
slate crown
Whispyr violence
dawn seal
D:
fallow canopy
I am not rage bating
is it prog or reclearing?
spice surge
Shields wont stop people flying of the edge or into the boss during wrest 
dawn seal
proging
balmy condor
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
fallow canopy
yea... that sounds cooked
balmy condor
your raid lead is doing some king shit
fallow canopy
I could see it on reclear just for the lols
balmy condor
use heal gems and lose like 5% of overall raid dps
fallow canopy
to try shit and have a laugh
balmy condor
we out here cooking fr fr
balmy condor
I mean healing is literally non issue
thorn thorn
Your raid lead is incredibly based
dawn seal
balmy condor
you spend most of queen prog wiping to people not popping the jump in p1
dawn seal
ohh
balmy condor
then you wipe to not having enough shield dam
balmy condor
then you wipe to portals which are just straight one shot an entire half of your raid
balmy condor
then you wipe to hot potato
dawn seal
๐ญ
balmy condor
at no point are you ever dying to heal check 10/10 idiot raid lead W in chat
dawn seal
thorn thorn
Bro is cooking
dawn seal
what is the best thing to do
thorn thorn
Let him cook Whispyr
ornate gust
Hi! I came back to the game a week ago (I stopped playing in BFA), and Iโm discovering the different talent trees with AoE/single-target/MM/raid builds. Iโd like to know if thereโs a single talent build that would allow me to do dungeons, LFR and heroic raids, and PvP without having to change talents depending on what Iโm doing! Again, without having to switch talents! (This is a translation, I'm not English, sorry if it's hard to understand.)
fallow canopy
Let him cook Whispyr
just keep an extinguisher nearby
balmy condor
surely my water bending gem of 20k healing bouncing to the tank will save my warlock getting one shot by a web blade bro I swear please please please everyone water bender gem
dawn seal
I swear I am not trying to rage bait
spice surge
surely my water bending gem of 20k healing bouncing to the tank will save my war...
Shouldve been a DK, they survive web blades np
dawn seal
I had a very sad day thanks for the comments tho
u are a really fun person whispyr
u made me happy
balmy condor
Hi! I came back to the game a week ago (I stopped playing in BFA), and Iโm disco...
if you want to use one talent page pick an M+ talent but you have to accept that you're losing a lot of damage in non m+ situations
dawn seal
balmy condor
u are a really fun person whispyr
ty glad you got a laugh I'm trying to swallow the vomit
dawn seal
lmao
thorn thorn
I swear I am not trying to rage bait
Its not rage bait
dawn seal
do u wanna
spice spire
ty glad you got a laugh I'm trying to swallow the vomit
Why swallow when you can let it out
dawn seal
know what we did on silken court
thorn thorn
He is probably cooking dogshit
balmy condor
no I'm good thanks
thorn thorn
But he is def cooking
balmy condor
my raid cooks too bro
ornate gust
if you want to use one talent page pick an M+ talent but you have to accept that...
ok ty !
dawn seal
dawn seal
we did 252 on silken court
balmy condor
absolute legends at the game
fallow canopy
my raid cooks too bro
court still haunts your dreams?
balmy condor
we love world of warcraft so much we do 2x average pull count just to raid more
that's the real tech
dawn seal
balmy condor
y'all always trying to prog faster
just to play the game less?
that's quitter mentality
we prog all patch
balmy condor
never run out of content
balmy condor
I think raiding is super fun content when the bosses are fun and I don't want to strangle half of my raid team for being out of position for 200 pulls
thorn thorn
300 pulls on a 140 pull boss
๐
fallow canopy
it is but like everything you know, too much its not good ig
thorn thorn
Your raid is very based holy shit
dawn seal
thorn thorn
What a fun prank to waste 160 pulls
dawn seal
I was playin fire mage on court
thorn thorn
13/10 prank
dawn seal
and we were holding on shield
spice spire
What a fun prank to waste 160 pulls
Why waste when you can just pull more hello
thorn thorn
So true
fallow canopy
Why waste when you can just pull more hello
so wise
dawn seal
