assassination

[nova aspen]

so no AP buff either

[golden loom]

Inv

[nova aspen]

we have 1 ret and 1 DH

2 DK's

1 is blood tho

idk it just feels nice to be able to delete my tomb

for every root

i dont think dps will be an issue overall in the fight, so i figured sac some

to make 1 mechanic for myself obsolete

[royal lantern]

allright yeha

thats a really special case

cus your raidcomp is abysall

do it then

[golden loom]

Personally I would rather raceswap to gnome but good luck on the prog 🫡

[nova aspen]

yea aint no way im going gnome

[royal lantern]

sorry man, i really could not think that you can have a raid that struggles with root dps cus of the raidcomp, but no warrior sounds cursed af allready

[true venture]

can anyone tell me to sim a char i know its 1 boss 3 min and for mythic its 5 boss 3 min ?

[royal lantern]

just do a patchwerk sim

which is 5min

[true venture]

what about mythic ?

[nova aspen]

yeah its a struggle, we had one but he quit at kyvesza prog

[golden loom]

Or dungeonslice for m+

[true venture]

plus

[golden loom]

Dont blame him, fury singletarget is torture

[true venture]

dungeon slice is 5 bosses and how many min?

[golden loom]

1 boss 5min is what I sim personally

[true venture]

ty

[fallow canopy]

after reading all that, things make more sense lol

[nova aspen]

[fallow canopy]

have you tried saving cloak for 3rd and having people break you on 2nd? 2nd has the nasty overlap like 10 secs later but has less chaos coming in from before than 3rd, I remember doing that for prog but our comp had more cleave so not sure how well it could work for you

[nova aspen]

i could try it

right now i think we have to break our 2 evokers out on every set, every one else is able to get out

oh and our DH tank (who is rerolling prot pally)

[fallow canopy]

can't evokers break free on 2 out of the 3?

[nova aspen]

shrug

we have them assigned to under boss every set so i assumed they couldn't

i've never played one

[fallow canopy]

Are they aug ? I know dev and pres can break but im not sure about aug

[nova aspen]

yeah both aug

[quick matrix]

Have they considered https://www.wowhead.com/spell=357210/deep-breath

Dev should only need broken once probably.

Aug i am not sure but I think prob the same

[past marten]

Or the infamous mutilate double crit

[rotund oak]

u are desecrating this holy place with dragon filth

[subtle tundra]

hawk tuah

[quick matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-up-be-quiet-funny-gif-19370091

@rotund oak @rotund oak

[grim vigil]

whats the dmg amp duration on silken court?

[final star]

12s

on beetle

but on caster you get amp per stack then 12s after last dispel

[unborn sable]

i got a assassination multi targeting question

[clever sapphire]

not online to check the build, usually you move either sudden demise - sanguine blades or twist the knife around

sudden demise is more there for ST, sanguine blades is pretty much only there for aoe, twist the knife is the last point i would move out of for iron wire personally

[unborn sable]

i am using mouse over targeting macro's, i am having problems with applying garrote and rupture on mult targets

or and keeping track of the ones i garrote and ruptured on,

[loud light]

usually the solution for that is Plater with a profile that colors nameplates based on their debuffs

[clever sapphire]

i mean in general you can just rupture - garrote your 1 target twice and you have enough ruptures out for max scent value

no need for target swaps

but ye, if your problem is losing track its a nameplate issue

or more like a good nameplate could solve that

[unborn sable]

what do u recommend for name plate

[clever sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[unborn sable]

i use plater

[clever sapphire]

i use whispyrs, it doesnt change colors i think but the bleeds glow when they are about to run out

[unborn sable]

thank u

[grim jay]

thats a wild take

on sudden demise

bleed damage on aoe is bigger than on single target

[clever sapphire]

aight bad wording

if i didnt place twist the knife in there it would have been better i guess

what i meant is that sudden demise is more st and sanguine is more aoe

because sudden helps with st, sanguine not really

[grim jay]

ah ye relative to sanguine, thats right

[clever sapphire]

bad wording as i said

bad wording could be my middle name

no matter the language i do stuff like this

[bold obsidian]

I also find Nameplate Scrolling Combat Text useful for cleaning up floating numbers clutter and Clique for mouse over configs; both work great.

Once you get 6+ targets garroted; ruptured and Temp'd the vanilla numbers just cover entire nameplates.

[balmy condor]

I just turn them off entirely tbh

scrolling combat text ends up being the same clutter in a different package

[bold obsidian]

You can configure clear time fast enough and make the font small enough that it's not an issue; at least to me.

[balmy condor]

I mean sure but if you’re going to go out of your way to make it not visible you could just make it not visible ya know

[bold obsidian]

I tried to do the no combat text; but just can't. Monkey brain likes to see numbers 🤣

[balmy condor]

Fair enough

[runic hinge]

Need MSBT or my brain doesn't work

[subtle tundra]

I'm starting to understand why people hate on this season. Did some mid level keys on alts and shit ain't fun lol

[spice spire]

No it’s not

Randoms getting invites and having 0 idea how to play their class is wild for a 10-12

[subtle tundra]

I played 4 stack with guild(full of off roles) and we had 1 random every time

The quality of the randoms is so so so so low

[runic hinge]

The key squish wasn’t a good idea imo. You ended up with too many people in keys they have no clue how to play

[subtle tundra]

(by off roles I mean the tank is Aug main, the healer is tank main, the dps is tank main)

[dawn seal]

[rain oyster]

Grussy gang grussy gang grussy gang

Spend 3 racks on a new grussy

[subtle tundra]

Fuck yea skibidi grussy sigma hawk tuah

[spice spire]

Augging with randoms is mega ass

[strange sleet]

I feel like the level of the players has gone down. Which I find odd because the game is "harder" than ever

[royal lantern]

its honestly astonishing

sometimes you have a guy that plays good, but 90% of the time you are confused how they even reached max level

[lime spire]

Faceplanting up the ladder

No punishment for failing except for the time spent. Roll the pug dice enough for a carry, voila

[royal lantern]

most "m+ mains" in a nutshell ye

idk what to do there tbh

[subtle tundra]

We had to use drums in a 15 siege while having a pug Aug. We begged for lust

[lime spire]

You’d get better filtering if you had a “failed or abandoned key” counter

[subtle tundra]

He was reading chat.

[royal lantern]

well theres the problem

you asked for lust, its actually called fury of the aspects

[subtle tundra]

He did lust first boss, but didn't want to list trash packs

Lust*

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats a giga "m+ main" then

"bl is for bosses"

[lime spire]

If I could see that someone had 50% failed 12s and 50% completed, and 75% completed 11s, that’s a good sign of a player pushing and trying. But if I see 90% failed 10s and only one of each completed, then I have a different set of data to contend with

[royal lantern]

it would kinda help if people understood that you should treat a m+ run as a 30min bossfight

with CD management/usage

[subtle tundra]

It's like augs aren't support role, it's spectator role

[bold obsidian]

Its not that the level of players are down; theres quite a few that returned for TWW that haven't been playing since SL skipping DF; so the bell curve average got pushed down.

Surprisingly I've ran into quite a few people in lower keys who just started wow for the first time in TWW.

But if you look at population metrics; its usually the case. Season 1 has the most people engaged into the game, and then as the xpac progresses through the season, less people stick around so the bell curve average player iq moves up.

Which is why DF S3/4 better with pugs than tww S1 does.

[royal lantern]

aug is the passenger princess spec

such a giant mistake

[lime spire]

Already thinking that far ahead is a sign of upper quartile player functionality

[royal lantern]

can be absolute dogshit at the game, doesnt matter, you WILL get invites and carried trought stuff

[spice spire]

Just like spriest fr

[royal lantern]

and people cant really tell good if you suck or not at first glance

[subtle tundra]

Yea but in a 15 with multiple other 15s timed you'd expect people know the basics of m+

[royal lantern]

so OFC the brainlets love it

[subtle tundra]

Nope

[royal lantern]

[lime spire]

“Do you die in the first pull of a 10 mists” is one of my benchmarks

[subtle tundra]

Those people deplete a key, leave, insta queue without a thought except wow this group is bad

[royal lantern]

thats the people that spamm reddit how we need "soloQ m+ matchmaking"

not understanding what a gigantic shitshow it would be

cus nobody with half a brain would use it lmao

[subtle tundra]

You wouldnt catch me in there

That's for sure

[royal lantern]

nobody that has SOME knowledge about the game would use it

like

bruh

[neon drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

What if quake was in there?

Would you go then?

[subtle tundra]

He is north American...

[royal lantern]

100% random group for a key run? thats a recipe for disaster in a +5 allready

[subtle tundra]

Impossible

[royal lantern]

people in matchmaking queues struggle with frking timewalking dungeons

and then want matchmaking m+

[slate crown]

More for me then

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Why am I catching strays

[subtle tundra]

I literally don't queue in groups with low score for weekly. I get mad and leave and I don't want to ruin others days

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats reasonable in its own way

[subtle tundra]

But I'm a filthy elitist

[spice spire]

At least you’re aware

[golden loom]

how is group finder on new patch for M+? like what are the group leaders looking for when inviting since score is reset

[subtle tundra]

Though I do get ego jerking off when they see my score

[subtle tundra]

It shows previous season lol

[golden loom]

ah fuck

[subtle tundra]

Get raider io addon

[royal lantern]

having a decently high score from last season gives fast invites

[golden loom]

yeah I do have raider io ofc but didnt think it would show previous season

[spice spire]

What if I didn’t play the previous season

[subtle tundra]

Get fucked

[royal lantern]

if you jump around the 2,8k, you will probs have no real struggle for pugging +10 keys in the next season

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

Loser

[spice spire]

Trying

(I’m not)

[subtle tundra]

Honestly that was the biggest qol part of high score

Constant invites

[fleet patrol]

Im sitting here waiting for our leader @balmy condor to spec into me

I have to be more useful than the new tier set

[royal lantern]

yes

[slate crown]

OH I get it now

[hollow river]

my mortal enemy has entered the chat

[slate crown]

not going to happen

[fleet patrol]

I never see play time and it hurts

[candid cove]

soo why is everyone playing mag orc now ?

[fleet patrol]

Oh my nemesis

[spice spire]

One of you is a CF

The other unused

Curious

[fleet patrol]

I just long for a day our leader picks me so he can transfer hes threat to the tank

[golden loom]

imagine being tricks when you could be blackjack

[fleet patrol]

Boo blackjack is dull we need to being me back to my former glory

[balmy condor]

Recently got buffed and the brainrot goes crazy hard

[novel star]

no way tricks of the trade is typing in disc man

woke up but im still dreaming

cba

[fleet patrol]

@novel star i am here for you to transfer that to another target

[golden loom]

Buff me.............................

[novel star]

Based actually

make knife 0 energy

need a ranged button for dopamine bad

give it a cast time even like throw in classic

but 0 cost

[fleet patrol]

Make it generate a lot of threat so i can transfer that to the tank

[golden loom]

idk it just looks so satisfying watching pikaboo play sin rogue in pvp just spamming poisoned knife

but then its useless in pve

[royal lantern]

i mean, pvp is just different

[novel star]

u can use poisoned knife to maintain energy income like

[royal lantern]

you keep people in combat with it, you keep slow/wound poison up

[novel star]

multi dotting the tentacles

[golden loom]

ye

[royal lantern]

which is important in pvp

[novel star]

in boralus

[golden loom]

give us like a screwdriver thingy in new raid that is a poisoned knife which applies garrotte

and rupture

[crude helm]

How about a proc that just spawns a pocket blood DK, since we do bleeds and stuff

[golden loom]

now you are cooking

it should be DK duo tho that spawns blood and unholy since our mastery is both poisons and bleeds

[crude helm]

Fuck it, give us an aff lock too

[glass raptor]

Is there a certain stack we want when playing with ovinax egg or is it just 15-15?

[spice surge]

Below 20

[glass raptor]

I assume we aim for 20 stacks of agi and 10 stacks of secondary then?

[spice surge]

Just below 20

Of any

Doesnt really matter

[strange sleet]

It doesn't?

[coral ibex]

it doesn’t

[strange sleet]

Isn't AGI > Mastery/Crit in single?

and Mastery/Crit => AGI in AoE?

[runic hinge]

You’re overthinking it

[strange sleet]

How

[spice surge]

Were talking like 500 stats buddy

It doesnt matter

[novel star]

you are on paper correct but in practice the numbers are so small and irrelevant that it’s way overthinking

just how it is

nothing matters

[spice surge]

Like ye agi might be worth 1 more dps per point

So thats like 500 dps difference

When youre doing 1.7M

[novel star]

damage variance on like one envenom will make more dps diff

than what stat you prioritize on egg

by a lot

[royal lantern]

^

[golden loom]

that 1 egg stack would maybe be more crit so ur envenom crits for infinite dps gain

[novel star]

die

[strange sleet]

Yeah but that's not the point right? The point is if 20 of something is better than 20 of the other thing no?

[novel star]

sure

you are correct

but you’re also wasting your time

if you focus on it ingame

both statements are true

[sharp viper]

player mistakes probably attribute to more dps loss than slightly less than optimal stats

[strange sleet]

Imean, If it very little difference ok

[sharp viper]

*way more

[runic hinge]

If you play the egg completely wrong it’s like -.7%

[sharp viper]

man egg is fucking annoying on progress fights

[strange sleet]

.7 is actually quite a lot for 1 item tho

[sharp viper]

court is melting my brain already

[runic hinge]

Sure but that assumes you’re playing it as badly as humanly possible

[strange sleet]

Yeah yeah I see your point

[runic hinge]

If you don’t wanna risk it play a trinket within .5

And you’ll be right there

[keen spruce]

I'll name change to your toon and infultrate your guild to play for you

(i have no idea how that fight works)

[royal lantern]

mate

now imagine pre-nerf court

that shit was 1 of the worst fights ever

actually just cancer

such a bad fight

[sharp viper]

imagine 20 people trying to pedro at the same time but you cannot walk on top of blue pedros and very often you have to run around and do other stuff while still pedroing

[sharp viper]

I don't want to, my frail mind couldn't tolerate such stress

[keen spruce]

(this got me banned from #tww-assassination)

[bronze pike]

[runic hinge]

deserved

[tawny rapids]

!thisel

!thistle

[sharp viper]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[humble verge]

wait theres a tww dedicated assa chat?

or another discord

[spice surge]

There was during the beta

[keen spruce]

no it was

yeah

but it got pedro bombed so whispyr kicked us all out

and made our pedro cchannel

[royal lantern]

the pedro time was the closest moment to world peace we ever saw

just vibes and pedro for 3days straight

[past marten]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[bright cipher]

when a expansion gets beta most class discords open beta channels to keep the conversation separate between live/beta

[slate crown]

was

🫡

[turbid thistle]

I swear stonevault above 13 as pug, is cursed.. people running around like headless chickens

[humble verge]

hahahaha, get ready for grim batol

[turbid thistle]

I could imagine all hell break loose in there idd 🤣

[half tartan]

Do you guys focus on playing with deathstalkers mark procs(only rupturing to rid of a stack)?

[coral ibex]

it is correct play to not rupture when you have DN

dropping rupture is not correct play

so refresh rupture before you proc DN

[wet plover]

Whats the highest Ilvl for the new ring rn>?

[spice spire]

652

[wet plover]

Im slacking

[royal lantern]

hi slacking

[glacial flare]

Any good wa to warn on energy so to be careful not to proc tea?

Same question for envenom buff

Thank you in advance!

[runic hinge]

proccing tea is whatever

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

probably a envenom WA in LE's collection

[strange sleet]

I have my energy bar's background turn orange when at <80 energy, instead of the "default" black background

[waxen oyster]

You'll always have a tea charge cycle back when kb does

and tea is mostly about the energy so people complain about non issues

[strange sleet]

wdym. You can waste Tea charges independently of KB

[runic hinge]

"waste"

you're getting energy which is 80% of the value of tea

Never using tea outside of kb is -.2% it's barely outside margin

[strange sleet]

Yeah but that energy has less value outside of KB tho

Also less value in AoE

[runic hinge]

energy is energy brother

[strange sleet]

No

[runic hinge]

yes lol

[strange sleet]

Energy is KB is better because yu can stack more

1 Tea = 2 mutilates

[runic hinge]

you have tea macro'ed to shiv so you always have one anyways

during kb

[strange sleet]

No if you blow it before

[runic hinge]

how are you going to do that

tea is 1 min cd so is kb

it lines up

[waxen oyster]

good thing kb recharges at the same cd

as tea

[strange sleet]

By wasting energy below 30

[runic hinge]

they line up!!!!!!!

energy isn't wasted when you're pressing your abilities

[royal lantern]

^

[runic hinge]

it's barely a gain to never tea outside shiv

please

[royal lantern]

98% of teas value is the energy

if you went low energy

you get energy

[runic hinge]

.2%

[waxen oyster]

tea recharges 1 charge every min

kb cd is 1min

[royal lantern]

100% minmaxing tea perfectly and fully ignoring it + removing it from your skillbarr and only letting the game auto consume it is 0,4% difference

thats how insignificant it is

[strange sleet]

I mean, let's say that your KB is out of CD. You are making a pull that's about to die, you don't use KB because it's a waste. Your Tea is also out of CD, you go below 30 and your charge is wasted. You use KB next pull just to discover you don't have a Tea charge

[royal lantern]

yes, it feels kinda bad

yes i wish they would make it a choice or smth like that

but it really doesnt matter

[runic hinge]

if it's aoe and stuff is dying you're getting energy back from bleed refund

you aren't going under 30

[royal lantern]

^

[runic hinge]

fake scenario

[strange sleet]

Dude

It's ok, use it as you want

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that scenario literally doesnt happen

[runic hinge]

you ever read your talents bruh?

how are you going under 30 energy with a pack dying

[waxen oyster]

It's 2025 and people really think the mastery from tea is significant

[strange sleet]

WHo said a pack dying

I said the end of the pull

[runic hinge]

you did

[strange sleet]

1 mob can be left

[waxen oyster]

A pack is dying if you dont think its worth sending kb

bruv

[strange sleet]

If sooooooooooo normal to end a pull with 1 mob left bro

like...

[runic hinge]

yeah and you're full energy from everything else dying

LOL

[waxen oyster]

You can send kb into one mob

if it lives the duration

i fail to see the issue

[strange sleet]

3 globals is all that takes to waste pretty much all you energy

[runic hinge]

how long is this single mob living in a dying pack that you're outta energy

[waxen oyster]

dying

dying mob is living an extended period of time

[runic hinge]

proccing darkest night on a mob gives energy refund too

[waxen oyster]

Can i just say a 100% mob is dying too

since its going to die eventually

[runic hinge]

you're creating a fake scenario just to prove a point but the thing is tea doesn't matter

the mastery is fake

[strange sleet]

Bros it's ok. KB and Tea never ever disalign, even if you don't play attention at all, it's literally impossible because both have 1 min CD so yeah

you are right guys

[runic hinge]

thanks for agreeing

[waxen oyster]

If a mob is about to die in 2 gcds

why tf are you spamming into it

[strange sleet]

It was just a fucking scenerio

[waxen oyster]

I too like making up scenarios that never happen

[strange sleet]

I could make another scenario where that might happen but I just don't want to

[waxen oyster]

in practice

[runic hinge]

you're obssesed with tea value and it's value is low

xddddd

[waxen oyster]

mobs die vw refunds

[waxen oyster]

tea energy is why i green parse not orange

clearly

/s

[strange sleet]

Bros it's always the same. Don't do this, it's just 0.4, dont do that, it's just 0.5, don't do another it's just 0.2

WoW it's about minmaxing and kwing when to do it

[waxen oyster]

Why do m+ players always have the dumbest takes

I swear

[royal lantern]

^

[strange sleet]

I'm not even a m+ player. I play casual

[waxen oyster]

Well it's never happening in raid

[strange sleet]

But I do have 8600hours over the last 19 years

[fallow canopy]

I'm so confused rn

[runic hinge]

okay but the thing is devoting the brain power to make sure you play tea perfectly is gonna make you make more mistakes than just macro-ing it and it being -.2% in the worst case scenario

[strange sleet]

That depend's on the player.

[waxen oyster]

Energy bar low send tea

[royal lantern]

yes

cus that shit is not minmaxing

jfc

[waxen oyster]

Unless you do some troll shit

[shy pecan]

I mean, there's people in league with 10000 hours played time and still are in like Iron/Bronze

[waxen oyster]

like spam poison knife when out of melee at like 100 energy

then complain your tea procs

[royal lantern]

that shit is caring about stuff that literally doesnt matter and has a higfher chance to make you play worse

cus you think about the wqrong things

like

[waxen oyster]

that might be a slightly larger loss

[royal lantern]

"omg i cant use abilitys cus i would proc a tea!!!!!" instead of doing dmg

is just cooked

when 99,9999% of the time its the correct choice to just do dmg

[runic hinge]

not proccing darkest night asap is a bigger loss than waiting for energy so you don't tea so you can proc darkest night

[royal lantern]

and making up some imaginary extreme edge cases to "prove" something is kinda stupid

[strange sleet]

It's not even extreme

[spice spire]

Can I get a tldr

[slate crown]

yeah me n u

[waxen oyster]

people think the mastery buff from tea matters

[strange sleet]

Tea use. That's the tldr

[fallow canopy]

what lisonna said but with me

[royal lantern]

its the same as the constant "i cant ever stealth"

thats not true, and people need to stop acting like it is, "i cant stealth all the time" is not a real thing

[spice spire]

So like it matters to a degree

But it’s not srs bueiness

[spice spire]

Hey queen

[waxen oyster]

Well dont proc tea when out of melee spamming poisoned knife

sure

That would be a waste

[spice spire]

Hey king

[strange sleet]

Did I ever mentioned mastery tho?

[deft sluice]

if your not minmaxing mastery from tea your actually trolling imo

[strange sleet]

I said it's better to use tea inside of KB because it has more value than outside of it. You guys said It's impossible to missalign Tea and KB because both have 1 min CD

[spice spire]

This is very easy to avoid.
Generally in large pulls were flooded with energy: but if it’s a situation like dawn breaker where one mob just has omega health over everything else, your rotation is already slowed down enough you can realize to take hands off the keyboard

[spice spire]

Balt not the time bud

Too many buttons lookin ass

[runic hinge]

you said that you could desync tea from kb because of some edge case when we said just macro it to shiv. because even if you never tea during shiv duign a whole fight it's -.4% at absolute worst but its more like .2% because the majority of the time you want it for energy for more enevnoms for more darkest night

[fallow canopy]

you'd always have a charge on KB because you use them relatively together and both have the same CD no?

[spice spire]

Yes

[runic hinge]

they nerfed kb so it's not our entire overall anymore

[spice spire]

The edgebcase

Is not sending kb

And using the tea because oopsie

Which is an avoidable mistake

[strange sleet]

Yes that was what I said

[runic hinge]

which doesn't even make sense

you have energy in aoe

and get energy refund from VV

you aren't gonna be 10% energy in aoe

[spice spire]

Often there’s a GIGA mob or two that do live longer

Think siege, uh.
Dawn.

[fallow canopy]

Idk its cooked either way and its an m+ optimization anyway (sorry m+ buds)

[waxen oyster]

You are sending kb into the giga mob

[spice spire]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

and i never press shiv in aoe and end up going into bosses with 3 charges anyways half the time

[spice spire]

This is some super weird niche where it’s at 10% and also you have 0 energy and also only one tea charge

And also l + ratio

But like

You just hands off

[fallow canopy]

I play with my feet anyway

[spice spire]

Like it’s same concept as a boss fight for pooling

[royal lantern]

thats a extreme edge case that happens...how often?

[runic hinge]

probably more than that cause i dont even look at tea

[spice spire]

Once this week in 6 keys

But it was a misplay for me

So

Eh

[strange sleet]

Yes that's the point

mistakes

[thorn thorn]

Are we talking about auto tea again

[strange sleet]

Yes we are

[runic hinge]

yeah mistakes add up to more than using tea outside shiv LMFAOOOOOO

[waxen oyster]

Edge case mistake

[spice spire]

Yeah

But like

[fallow canopy]

we are stuck in a time loop i swear

[spice spire]

It’s a realistic case that can happen

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1240325651664343142/AssassinationShiv.gif

[spice spire]

And I get that

[waxen oyster]

My real complaint is

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce

[spice spire]

But it’s also as simple as

You made a mistake, hands off move forward we’re chuckling

[waxen oyster]

can we get a darkest night proc when a boss phases out of range

really annoying to sit there on thumbs

to avoid not having dsm for intermissions

[spice spire]

Dawn breaker? Buddy I hardly know er

[pliant remnant]

[spice spire]

That’s what I think of every time with the dsm issue

[waxen oyster]

people out here

thinking spamming mutilate into one 10% mob

is huge value

NW is best key for big kb big spatters

tbh

[spice spire]

Are we good now chat

[runic hinge]

no

I'm rerolling

I hate deathstalker

[thorn thorn]

Never

[spice spire]

Fair enough

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-thats-my-secret-hulk-gif-11336487762626766394

[thorn thorn]

Caught Horny on main

[royal lantern]

we get close to a queen kill

[fallow canopy]

nice

[waxen oyster]

reroll enhance

[fallow canopy]

I got the mount from queen this week and boy that shit is dissapointing

[spice spire]

Hell yeah next week

[royal lantern]

its Siesbarg, but worse lol

[waxen oyster]

Although from what i heard

[fallow canopy]

literally

[thorn thorn]

Oh my b carry on

[fallow canopy]

hell the one that's random % looks better tbh

[waxen oyster]

elementalist build is gonna be better

next tier

[spice spire]

Ty king

[runic hinge]

Doubtful

[royal lantern]

GUYS

ROGUE TIERSET ARTICLE IS UP

🍿

[misty holly]

Wowhead article just dropped! I can't wait to hear about how cool the new class set is.

3% stacking up to 10 times, that's like 30% extra damage on all the most important abilities.

This is looking good.

[subtle tundra]

i like how whispyr is implying there was a goal behind the tier set and not just a quick decision to throw our finishers into the tier set every melee gets with 0 regard of how it turns out

[winged quail]

very good writeup on the problems with the Assa tier, here's hoping someone at Bliz is listening

[royal lantern]

hah

[winged quail]

[royal lantern]

cant wait for the next tierset to be

"every finisher gives you a stack of Void Empowerent, which increases your poison dmg by 2% for each stack, max 5stacks"

"at max stacks envenom deals 20% more dmg"

here, i made a assa tierset based on our last 5 tiersets

[winged quail]

what if they made Envenom AND Rupture do 20% more dmg that would be so cool and unique

[subtle tundra]

i think whispyr cooked with the tier set giving resources, hopefully combo points

id enjoy that

[waxen oyster]

I mean

what was the last interesting assa tier bonus

[fickle lotus]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[misty holly]

I want Blizzard to not be cowards and give us a tier set that buffs mutilate and fan of knives or something. #buildersdeservelovetoo

[bronze pike]

i can do one better

anti poison: 2pc: you can no auto attack your allies and heal them by 100ap per hit, your poisons also effect your allies and turn into HOTS based on 50% of the damage they do.

4pc: your mutliate and envenom can no effect your allie snad heal them for 70% of the damage done, they also have a cd for ten seconds reduced by haste

you see i took a season of discovery

and brought it to retali

instead of tank rouge, we have healing rogue

[fallow canopy]

that is some cooking

the kitchen may be on fire

but you cooked

[spice spire]

That activated my fight or flight response

[timber sage]

Very well written article! Good stuff

[spice spire]

If I were still a green I’d have sent a mute lmfao

(Not actually)

[winged quail]

idk the ability to stab my pugs sounds quite appealing

(in game ofc)

[thorn thorn]

Why no green

[spice spire]

I quit for a year

Didn’t think I’d be playing tww

Got suckered

[runic hinge]

[bronze pike]

im glad it did

[spice spire]

Why tho

[bronze pike]

the idea

is that this tier set becomes a string of talents

in the corner of the sin tree to make it

healing sin a playable concept

like outlaw rogue

you see, as a game developer

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

the 4pc would even be the capstone

the capstone would be "all your healing abilities only effect you and envenom now becomes a taunt"

you see to enable the popular rogue tanking playstyle from sod

as a game developer

[humble verge]

wtf

found some monka information

apparently the chinese are bug abusing raid buffs

for their keys

https://puu.sh/Km560/6ea82f5600.png

[keen spruce]

this has been happenin since the .7 patch i'm prety sure

[dawn heath]

has anyone noticed the ritualist taking u out of stealth before u can get a ambush off? oin first pack in dawbreaker

[humble verge]

welp

[hollow river]

old news

[keen spruce]

not if you're remotly on time

[humble verge]

yeah but sorry im not chinese so wouldnt know

[dawn heath]

wdym

[hollow river]

not sure how that matters at all

[humble verge]

true

but didnt hear about this before now

so

[hollow river]

it's been on logs for a while

people randomly started timing higher keys right after .7

[humble verge]

kek

[dawn heath]

almost every china team is cheating

[keen spruce]

like if you walk up late enough that their AoE goes out

it'll knock you

[dawn heath]

thats not it

idk

im not late

it just breaks my stealth

[keen spruce]

yeah that was my point

[dawn heath]

what

i open way before their cast

but it already broke me out of stealth

[keen spruce]

yeah i know i'm saying it's probably not that

"if you're remotely on time"

[dawn heath]

its kinda weird

it seems like im auto attacking

before my ambush goes off

but idk why im auto attacking

cause i always do the same thing

it never autos before ambush

it might be cause of distract

im not sure

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jsqRrncCwtMocC0qv?invite=cr-MSxGUE0sMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

this happends to me like every time im in fucking dawnbreaker on first pull lmao

[keen spruce]

i've never had it happen idk

you're not right cliccking are you?

[dawn heath]

nope

it happend 2/2 times

when i ran this key

and i dont play subterfuge

so its fucking annoying

it might

be

the distract?

that queues my melee swing somehow?

see here

here it auto swings me instantly

when i get into melee range

my mouse is not even on the mob

[spice spire]

Does the distract proc your ring?

[dawn heath]

its clearly not a right click

[spice spire]

Only reason k could see you just get into combat

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jsqYnH5FS8ZyviZJP?invite=cr-MSxGaUUsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

see happends again here

literally spamming ambuhs button

takes me out before i get it off

never gonna walk up on this packj again

we're def shadowstepping in

[keen spruce]

I don't see any ring procs on the virst clip

first clip

no distract

[spice spire]

Me neither

[keen spruce]

no random shit flying outta the toon, no buffs

any macros?

on ambush?

or tricks?

I always walk in from the right side of the pack instead of the left lmao

that's the only difference

[coral ibex]

approaching that pack from the left is cursed

you deserve to be punished

[humble verge]

yeah so

tried 17 siege

still died.

[keen spruce]

on 16 that barely does 60% of my healthbar

with feint

I think u were a little late?

maybe?

[humble verge]

nah

ok like

when do you guys do it

my timer

i usually do it at like

0,5-0,3

[keen spruce]

I literally just feint like 1s before the ability even goes off

[humble verge]

but then spell que fucks me

alright 1 second idk

[keen spruce]

yeah sometimes u just get hosed

[humble verge]

but still

spell que even

fucks me

[keen spruce]

but with 2 charges

even if one gets munched by spell queueing

you normally have enough coverage

or if you somehow run out of feints use cloak or evasion or something

[humble verge]

yea ig.

[spice spire]

Casual btw

[keen spruce]

I won't even be title safe in a week or two

very casual

[spice spire]

Shmeeps

I beg you touch grass king

[keen spruce]

I went flying yesterday

didn't crash

we still got it bby

[spice spire]

Prog again

[hallow pelican]

So I have a question ... if our 11.1 sets are actually dogshit and bonuses arent really bonuses, are we just better off stacking gear with better stats? Like ... it seems we'd almost be better off with 5 pieces of crafted

[humble verge]

so like

1 second worked i guess

[keen spruce]

yeah i give it a pretty big leeway

[humble verge]

im still like

[keen spruce]

cuz as soon as that thing squirts outta the boss

[humble verge]

below 30%

[keen spruce]

you're cooked

[humble verge]

yeah

idk

i was doing it usually risky at 0.1 xd

cause the spell que

is so stupid

[keen spruce]

I mean it's stupid that you have to pre feint it

[humble verge]

yeah

[keen spruce]

cuzz it would still be a pain in the ass to feint while it's in the air

[humble verge]

ehhh idk

[keen spruce]

does it kill you through cloak if you don't precloak it?

i cna't remember

[humble verge]

yeah

if you dont feint and dont precloak i think you die

atleast

like youre 20k hp

[jaunty sky]

Once we know if they stay like they currently are we'll have an answer to that

[hollow river]

that's never really the case in pve.. even in rare instances that it does happen, the bonus just gets buffed

PTR just started, we're still well over a month away from the patch going live

[lyric jolt]

hey guys for our major CDs. do we use it on cd and no need to sync them bothright?

[spice spire]

One might even say almost 2 months!

[spice spire]

Should naturally sync

And it’s generally better to do so

In raid especially

[humble verge]

this shit better not be S1 SL scenario

😴

[spice spire]

Timeways started this week

Signals 6 weeks

[hallow pelican]

the other problem with the sets, is that theres always some fucked up interaction that either doubles something or misses something else, so whatever buff they give, is never really a true judge of our DPS becauseit eithers spikes it or makes it irrelevant

[humble verge]

timeways

[hallow pelican]

thats been the case ever since we got sets back

[spice spire]

Er give me a second to explain that one scot

[humble verge]

oh

nvm

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/turbulent-timeways-event-to-return-in-patch-11-0-7-349476#:~:text=Turbulent Timeways was an event,7 for The War Within.

[humble verge]

waterfrick

so i guess i wont get that on rogue

gotta go on my leveling sham

[cobalt sphinx]

any ABGs here whose house burned down and need a place to stay hmu

[spice spire]

What a lad

[cobalt sphinx]

i'm 6'1" btw

[thorn thorn]

How did you let this happen

I dont wanna doom but I was eager for TWW but so far I am not impressed by it

[spice spire]

Yo Mike thank you for saving George from a burning building king. I know you were busy volunteering at the local orphanage but you really saved my best buddy and I appreciate you pal

[spice spire]

Fomo and friends

[cobalt sphinx]

all in a days work

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bPwZr.gif

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/iceman-top-gun-wingman-you-can-be-my-wingman-anytime-gif-16762057

[desert vault]

wait, where the ship go for the new zone?

[balmy condor]

same place as it was in the intro quest

north exit of dorn

[silk bane]

and uh where the ship between u and i?

[mighty vine]

Does anyone else get ripped out of stealth on pull with Queen or am I going actually insane?

[coral ibex]

doesn't happen to me

but i also shroud up to her

[mighty vine]

Might have to start doing that, or shes parrying my ambush which is equally frustrating lol

[wet plover]

Whats yalls thoughts about this build. Saw Speed (streamer) using it in high keys

[spice surge]

Its one of the like 15 builds we can play

[wet plover]

Mm i see, so is it all preference or are some just better than others?

[spice surge]

Pretty much just preference

[wet plover]

Okay awesome thank you :D

[rancid wind]

A few questions after raid tonight;

1. I want to avoid using Kingsbane and Deathmark on a target that will die before they get their full duration, right?
2. Beyond getting into stealth for the damage, does Vanish have defensive usage during combat at all?
3. How do I get out of webs in P1 of Ansurek?

[balmy condor]

1. if avoidable yes
2. no
3. vanish lines up on the first one, get a freedom or dps out of the second/third, cloak for whichever is left

[runic hinge]

on my fanfic paetron

[rancid wind]

so you vanish before they go out and you dont get the debuff? or you vanish to break it?

[mighty vine]

Vanish to break, should line up with CDs pretty perfectly at the start

[balmy condor]

both technically

[spice surge]

You can precloak it if its in the air

But it doesnt really matter

As you want to delay it a second or two for your dps anyway

Aka 6s left on dm

[rancid wind]

kk ty

[silk bane]

a wise man once said

u

w

u

[coarse aurora]

I saw someone running this build when I was doing a key. Is this normal?

I couldn't find this variation on wowhead anywhere and I'm just interested if this is a thing or not

[balmy condor]

that is very much not a thing

that is delusional

[coarse aurora]

Ok lmao

Maybe that's why i demolished him on overall even though he was like 15 ilvls above me

[balmy condor]

that honestly looks like a raid build

but with carnage instead of arterial

like compare to this build that gets run in raid

virtually same thing

no kingsbane though is crazy

[ebon ingot]

hey guys, how much dps is would you expect from a 625 A/rogue in 1 +10 key in pugs?

No skyardin

[keen spruce]

what key what tank what other dps what route how many deaths how fast what buffs what trinkets what ilvl weps what talents

[ebon ingot]

master assassin, dawnbreaker, no aug, small pulls, deadeye + crystal

[keen spruce]

ok it wasn't a serious question lol

[ebon ingot]

haha

[keen spruce]

somewhere between

1m and 3m overall

[ebon ingot]

sheesh

[keen spruce]

probably closer to 1m

[ebon ingot]

3m, our ceiling that high?

[keen spruce]

i don't think assas is hitting 3m very often even with aug

no

probably less

but idk

[ebon ingot]

ah ok

[keen spruce]

if you have like PI and an aug and an AFK carry maybe

in a 10

[ebon ingot]

i did 1.5 and teamates were mad

[keen spruce]

that's not like criminally low or anything

probably a little low but no skardyns is hard

[ebon ingot]

yeah thought so

[coral ibex]

you should be ahead of most people at your ilvl and some specs a couple ilvl higher

exact numbers are w/e

[ebon ingot]

yeah we had a 636 ele shaman and 630 firemage and i outdpsed both

[coral ibex]

and they said you didn't do enough?

lol. lmao, even

the ele should be smoking your shit sideways

[ebon ingot]

yeah we were talking afterwards and mage says 'if rogue did more cc, id have more damage'

[keen spruce]

no one should really be out damaging a shaman of any flavor

in overall

[ebon ingot]

and the whole conversation started there

[coarse aurora]

Yea that's what I was thinking too. I invited him so that I could have someone to compare myself to and see what I can improve, and then he did like 200k less dps than me at like 13 ilvls above me and used a completely strange build

[coral ibex]

oh so it was a shitty fire mage trying to make it your fault

[balmy condor]

yeah "completely strange build" is just m+ meta these days I'm afraid

[coral ibex]

the rogue in my guild doing 17's is posting vids of them doing 2.5-2.7m overall

in 17's

i usually am doing like 1.8-2m in 10/11's

depends on the key and comp

[coarse aurora]

Yeeesh and here I am doing 900k overalls

[coral ibex]

i dont really pay attention to the exact numbers, i just make sure i'm on top

bro im 639

prob have 30ilvl on you

[coarse aurora]

Yea I'm 598. But surely ilvl doesn't do that much right?

[coral ibex]

yes it does

[runic hinge]

ilvl does everything lmao

[coral ibex]

ilvl is literally everything

[coarse aurora]

Oh maybe there's hope for me yet

[coral ibex]

yea dont worry about overall #'s

the spec blasts when played remotely competently

[coarse aurora]

Yea I just want tos ee if I'm doing things rotationally correct. It's hard to judge

[coral ibex]

most of the single target rules carry over to aoe, just with some modification

so if you can hit a dummy correctly ur like 85% there

[coarse aurora]

Yea I find doing dungeons a lot more challenging than dummies. There is so much you need to think about with mechanics. Something happens that interrupts your rotation and boom brain out the window and I'm zugging like a clown lmao

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Y6LRpwKbgnq31h7?fight=last&type=damage-done

This is the log for the NW that I was talking about. If anyone has a moment, can you tell me all the things I can improve on?

Character name is Santhiras*

[runic hinge]

:3

[fallow canopy]

:3

[silk bane]

just as im about to quit man...

[fickle lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/G7d01yh.png

this boss is so fking ez bro

[silk bane]

gz

[fickle lotus]

i grey parsed so does it even count 😭

[unique bay]

boss died

[winged sun]

U killed the boss so

Even players in project get grey parses and they’re top tier players

Doesn’t mean they can’t do dps

Dealing with Mechanics is the best way to kill bosses

[fickle lotus]

i died dropping off my essence at the very end to a ball that came outta nowhere

so at least it was for a good cause

[dawn heath]

I think its the anime pfp without that you would atleast blue parse

[fickle lotus]

my details name is anime avi buff so surely that's not the case

[dawn heath]

Unlucky

[severe meadow]

Hello goobers, progging mythic court, have a question - sometimes 2 people explode on pull and usually a rogue is involved, is the fight bugged / desynced?

[dawn heath]

I do just above 3 mil in necrotic wake and mist and arakara and stonevault but not by much 3.0-3.2

[novel star]

explode to what

[severe meadow]

Betrayal, but we're under boss

We get the debuff, we explode

[winged sun]

I did 4m overall on NW but we depleted

[severe meadow]

It's super inconsistent on when it happens

[winged sun]

Pretty sure aug isnt worth 1m

[dawn heath]

Well its what you end on

[novel star]

i mean the only way to die to betrayal is to touch someone with the other debuff

[dawn heath]

Aug is like 500k to your overall

[severe meadow]

Yeah that's the problem lol

it's on pull

we can't even die like that really

[winged sun]

I did alot of 3m overalls without aug lol

[novel star]

idk look at the replay on wcl or something

[severe meadow]

o7

[novel star]

death on pull happens when u arent standing in the circle to get marked

but i dont think it says betrayal

on recap

for that

so

[dawn heath]

To be fair if u dont use the cleaver ur overall will be alot higher

[novel star]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged sun]

Nah i mean 3m in other dungs

[dawn heath]

We have cleaver mob the whole duengon keeping us in combat

[winged sun]

SV is a rly big overall key

[dawn heath]

Withoug aug 3 mil?

[winged sun]

Easily 3m no aug

[dawn heath]

Big doubt

[winged sun]

Keeping my eyes closed too

[winged sun]

?

[dawn heath]

Would need some screenshots or logs

[keen spruce]

yeah but zeross is him

doesn't count

[dawn heath]

Its def possible but not with a good enhance in party

They will rob your damage

[winged sun]

Heres dawn 17 as an example

Entire key is 3-5 mobs

Imagine if im in NW

Or SV

End of key overall btw

[dawn heath]

Do u have a log for the run

[winged sun]

Gb 16 no aug

Ironwire

I dont log my keys

[dawn heath]

3.1 is higher than casual did in there its very high

[winged sun]

?

I play perfect lol

Besides casual plays st build

He loses some aoe

[dawn heath]

I mean

[keen spruce]

zeross is big padder

[dawn heath]

It sims the same

[winged sun]

Not rly

It doesnt at all

[dawn heath]

Not a big difference

[keen spruce]

i mean

[winged sun]

????

What

[keen spruce]

there's a pretty huge diff

[winged sun]

Dude im not on pc its a hige difference

[dawn heath]

Its like 30k st difference

[winged sun]

Especially thay hes playing dashing too

Idk why ur doubting my dps

I played with casual alot

[runic hinge]

I'm doubting cause you don't know the difference between a mouse and a rat

[winged sun]

https://youtu.be/y4gQun957pM?si=mHQZt_-MWKoM26Bt

Brb

[dawn heath]

Kinda wanna see the dawn log

3.1 is kinda crazy but your enhance also sucked

[spice surge]

Turns out if you play with dogshit shamans theres a lot more damage left over for you

[dawn heath]

If that is after last boss

[winged sun]

G2g 5 mins

Or more

Brb

[drifting lily]

question, if i post my logs in here can someone give me a tip on how to get a little better lmao

[balmy condor]

depending on who's around yeah

[coral ibex]

quake might be sleep but maybe not

[runic hinge]

He’s walking George

[coral ibex]

hes a honk shooer

[runic hinge]

I know this cause I'm waiting for him to come back

[oak eagle]

i fucking hate queen

why tf does she parry so much

[dawn heath]

Have you tried standing behind

[runic hinge]

that ass so fat she parry from the back

[oak eagle]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

like why tf

im on a 45 degree angle behind her

and i still get parried

[spice surge]

Shouldve played sub

[oak eagle]

im never touching sub

fuck that spec

unless the other 2 specs are just actually dogshit

[dawn heath]

Ive never parried kingsbane ever

[spice surge]

Shouldve had another rogue in your raid

[dawn heath]

I heard people bitch about it

[spice surge]

that played

[runic hinge]

m+ bosses don't parry

[dawn heath]

Well i raid too

Sometimes

[coarse aurora]

I fking hate SBS for the dummies man

I have to meld out of combat, mount up, and fly far enough away that the dummies despawn from my game for it to remove SBS from them

I hate this

[ebon ingot]

ive never played rogue in raid, only done m+, any guides i can follow for raid rotation and priorities?

[jovial adder]

Does anyone have the shiv tea macro 🙂

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[bright tartan]

it's the same except you don't stand afk at 0 energy half the fight

[jovial adder]

ty ❤️

[ebon ingot]

i dont get it

[balmy condor]

you play m+ right

[ebon ingot]

yes

[balmy condor]

there's bosses in m+

raid boss is just a bigger m+ boss

do that

[ebon ingot]

yeah but theres always issue with energy

[balmy condor]

yes