assassination

[ebon ingot]

hey guys. is master assassin really worth in 9+ and below? like the mobs die before i can vanish...

can barely get most of out deathmark

[subtle tundra]

yes even more so

if the pull lasts 20 seconds and you have 12s of MA

thats uh

3/5th of the time in MA

if the pull is 60 second long and you have 12s of MA, youre 1/5th time in MA

if my math is right

NOT

BUT YOU GET THE POINT

[ebon ingot]

yeah pulls barely last 15-20 secs

since everyones like 625+

[runic hinge]

So it’s the majority of the pull it’s up

[rotund oak]

even in 11-12s packs dont last much longer

[subtle tundra]

yes its an insane talent

[ebon ingot]

ok so bottom line, its worth it

[rotund oak]

yes it is

[static glacier]

why did they go away from making a tier set bonus per spec

to this generic nonsense

[final dawn]

@balmy condor is there any info on what sim for sin is useful for m+ scenarios?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[final dawn]

ty. got a nice key in the vault

[balmy condor]

wrong actually

there is no such thing as a nice key

cause that would imply m+ is fun

[final dawn]

i dont really understand why you are hating m+ so much

[balmy condor]

cause I don't like wasting 40 minutes of my life playing feint simulator

I want to blast

m+ is not blast

hasn't been since shadowlands

hasn't been fun since shadowlands

unlucky

[grim jay]

I'll have a really hard guess on this

Probably because its less work

[balmy condor]

blizzard has turned m+ into defensive+cc simulator, and it just ain't fun man

timer is like, not an issue most of the time

cause the check is can you survive

can you not miss interrupting one cast for the entire key

gg

[grim jay]

Ye they really need to make timers tighter again

So blasting matters

[balmy condor]

I mean highest m+ runs done atm, the 20 mists, the 20 nw's and ara kara's

they're like 3 min under timer it's insane

and like

[final dawn]

understand your point and this might be very true for 0.1 % gamers, but in my range it has a good balance between feint sim and blasting

i am just having fun in m+ :<

[grim jay]

Truth is if thats the case for you then it really doesnt matter for you either way

[balmy condor]

I don't understand why we have to have a timer when it just devolves into survival anyway

[grim jay]

You will just feel the same with more emphasis on blasting

[winged sun]

Abused they do 15-25% more dps than normal

[balmy condor]

like actually remove half the casts from dungeon trash, nerf boss hp by like 40% and then take 10 min off every timer

[winged sun]

Full raid buffs+garrison buff and now theres some legion and df buff i heard

Chinese teams aren’t doing their keys legit

[static glacier]

Idk, this set they’ve introduced still is tied to spec specific spells / coded as such and is hella buggy

[balmy condor]

tol dagor beach pulls my beloved

[dawn seal]

Are we cooked

[grim jay]

Remove as in reducing frequency but keeping the "abilities" id assume

[dawn seal]

GUYS I AM PROGGING QUEEN TONITE

WISH ME LUCK

I MIFGT GET CE

[final dawn]

So how would Peak Performance m+ look like in your opinion exactly? Just blasting and not worrying too much about defs?

[grim jay]

The idea is still 2p the same for everyone = no developing separate effects + only balancing the 4p thats build on the 2p = less work
I guess

[subtle tundra]

holy based

[balmy condor]

blizzard hated giga pulling in m+ so much they added target caps, which then didn't do anything to actually balance the game, and didn't stop giga pulls, so then they went back and added 25 mechanics to every trash pull to force groups to stop triple pulling and that didn't work either cause aoe cc so then they nerfed aoe cc and made everything hit like a train

and it's just like what the fuck are we doing

[grim jay]

M+ Gamer Varas agrees, done deal

[balmy condor]

the funnest part about m+ was pulling half the dungeon

and you hated it so much

you changed the game in like 5 different ways to force the fun part out

[subtle tundra]

maybe stop giga pulling through creative ways not just to overwhelming mechanics

[balmy condor]

route planning, cooldown planning, etc

[subtle tundra]

like oh if you pull these 2 mobs together they enrage everything

or they make shit take 90% less dmg

[balmy condor]

like pass/fail you die cause you ran out of defensives

is dogshit

[subtle tundra]

or oh kill these mobs so you can progress

or smd

[dawn seal]

🤔

[balmy condor]

"intervene me next frontal"

• statements made by the utterly deranged and mentally insane

who fucking asked for that

[dawn seal]

Most people enjoy that I think not me

[grim jay]

@balmy condor Zero sugar game got upgraded yet again

[balmy condor]

who is this most people you speak of

[subtle tundra]

im so hungery......

[dawn seal]

On my social circle

I find m+ rather boring

[subtle tundra]

shit social circle

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

abandon them

[grim jay]

Hungary?

[subtle tundra]

my enemies

[balmy condor]

I have not met a single dps player in my life that's happy calling for an external on a boss mechanic cause they would get 100-0'd from it

[subtle tundra]

no

[balmy condor]

these people do not exist

[grim jay]

Tanks that rerolled dps

[subtle tundra]

me when i get targeted by Ass Blast in Dawnbreaker for the 4th time in a row and once again i ask for an external

[balmy condor]

holy shit I love needing iron bark to survive an unstoppable, non-dodgeable, un-immuneable cast

this is incredible

[dawn seal]

I heard this line

From my friene

[balmy condor]

from fucking who

no

[dawn seal]

He was serious

[balmy condor]

they are not your friend

that is a russian spy

[dawn seal]

We don't play anymore yes

[balmy condor]

they are brainwashing you

it's like a sleeper agent activation code

[dawn seal]

I don't like m+ at all

But I have a weird take on it

People always disagree with me

[balmy condor]

I loved m+ dearly

[subtle tundra]

my weird take on it is that its the part of the game

[balmy condor]

10 fucking years ago

[dawn seal]

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

and i wouldve quit in bfa if it wasnt for it

[dawn seal]

I think increasing the difficulty in a game shouldn't be just hp and damage its rather boring and lazy way to do it and affixes are not that different

I think it's bad in a game design perspective

If it's only just that

[balmy condor]

hp is fine, but the damage scaling has gotten out of control

[dawn seal]

When u think about it in a 12 and 18 or 25 only difference is hp and dmg

No

[balmy condor]

the whole idea is that you're racing to clear against a timer, and I think adding an hp barrier to higher keys to slow the group down and force that issue is okay

but yeah

the fact that it's the ONLY thing

is a bit strange

and then they need to rely on damage scaling

and it's just shit

[dawn seal]

Idk like I think it's gotten even more boring

After cc won't inteript

Change

And delay last

Cast*

[subtle tundra]

base m0 should be harder
and then
m2 adds timer
m3 dmg hp increase
m4 decreases timer
m5 dmg hp increase
and so forth until gear cap, whichever it is
and after only dmg hp increase
make dmg increase scale less than hp

sorry for being so based

[dawn seal]

I think that's bad

In a game design perspective

Not creative at all but most people who do keys kinda like this

[runic hinge]

Based as hell

[dawn seal]

I liked this seasons affixed

[balmy condor]

I think it's kind of a convoluted way to do it, I mean could just say that the damage scaling is less and each key level reduces the timer by 10 seconds or something

[dawn seal]

I like the idea that they give u stuff and it's not like oh u do affix u get to live u don't u die

The cdr affix is really fun

To get

And just blast with cds more

[balmy condor]

like instead of 20% hp 20% damage or whatever the numbers are, make it like 15% hp, 12% damage, 15 second timer or whatever

I think that would work

[subtle tundra]

true but in a 15 i can press W pull pack by pack
in a 18 we have to think how we pull together packs, how we gather the mobs, how we press every cd
key goes to 19 we have different CD timings, we need cds for pulls we didnt before

[dawn seal]

Yeah but

To me

In general when u think about ut

Everything is the sake

Same

[subtle tundra]

no it wasnt

every time we went up a key level he had to rethink the route

cause shit that worked in a 16 suddenly isnt viable for 17

cause 1 random tick of dmg kills us now

[balmy condor]

the problem with having crazy damage scaling like you do in m+ atm is that you just go up one key level and all of a sudden someone is getting one tapped

yeah

[dawn seal]

[subtle tundra]

so we rethink a pull, then our count is different then we need to change some other pull

then we have different cooldowns

then we have different bloodlust

[dawn seal]

Its just sad that m+ is all about that

[subtle tundra]

what else should it be about?

[dawn seal]

Personal opinion nothing wrong about liking that

[runic hinge]

Tracking shifting sands

[subtle tundra]

fuck yea

cum me up

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

oooooopa my shaman died with spymaster right before the hardest pull with bloodlust

now that pull is not killable

how do we salvage the situation

[balmy condor]

you go next key

naturally

simply do not get globaled next time varas

[subtle tundra]

no, you go a different pull or split it up and make it up with a harder pull later

[balmy condor]

so silly

[sly gale]

it is correct to get to 10% haste for the raid content?

[balmy condor]

it is correct to sim yourself

[subtle tundra]

meowmeowmeowmeow

[balmy condor]

instead of making up weird magical numbers

[runic hinge]

I wish it was more about can you do enough damage in time, and not just surviving one shots,things should still hurt but half the time it feels like healer is there for looks cause every mistake is a death. But idk. Eventually ig things should be punishing enough it kills you

[balmy condor]

very based

[subtle tundra]

if it doesnt kill me in 1 shot, its as if it doesnt do dmg

🥰

[runic hinge]

And then your healer gets to heal and it’s like that’s what they signed up for

Once you get to the point where the majority of mechanics are just one taps what’s the point. They aren’t healing when you’re 100-0

There’s rot damage…sometimes, but it seems like it ramps very quickly into one tick of this dot just kills you. Like siege last boss

[balmy condor]

well if people get 100-0'd then healers will ask for more externals and dps will ask for more defensives and then we get defensive bloat and button bloat and we go to argus and fight a space titan and then blizzard goes "wait a second that's a lot of defensives we gave them we gotta tune that back and make damage matter again" and ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... it's just mop->legion all over again

[grim jay]

Wish it was legion again

People would worry about getting cucked by legendary rng

[balmy condor]

hey, if blizzard didn't learn from their mistakes on anything else in the game maybe they cave in again and make every spec giga omega defensively busted with hero talent expansions in midnight

and then the timer in m+ is gonna matter again just because people will be near unkillable on a 15s timer again

[grim jay]

Oh please dont tell me they said that they will expand hero trees

[balmy condor]

hero trees are evergreen bro

at least until end of worldsoul saga

[grim jay]

Ye but that doesnt mean they expand them

Hopefully

[balmy condor]

what else do you think they're gonna do

[grim jay]

I mean I hope they rework them

[runic hinge]

Add more

[grim jay]

[keen spruce]

it's been a lethality wall > timer wall for a hot minute now

and it's stinky

[balmy condor]

they got another 2 expansion releases where they've already confirmed hero talents as a core feature

obviously they're gonna get expanded

it's inevitable

[keen spruce]

no no they'll leave them the same but then next xpac add VILLAN talents

[balmy condor]

I'm willing to put money on it even, like when they announce midnight come back to this convo so I can beat your ass

[grim jay]

What about NPC talents if I dont feel like a main character

[keen spruce]

and we get another little bundle of passive nodes that either don't interact w ith your gameplay or bother you

[grim jay]

Word. Wont miss a chance to get my ass beaten by you

[balmy condor]

if only they could add choice nodes or something that gave you an option on your rotation or something

instead of just diluting all the utility and defensive nodes into them

and then fucking off

[grim jay]

Tho I guess expanding hero talents is less risky than expanding the actual talent trees

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Not very fun even for me the actual casual

[keen spruce]

hmm should I take this defensive node, or this clearly superior in all content defensive node

[balmy condor]

carnage/caustic should be the choice node like what are we doing

changes rotation, changes priorities

both filling very strong aoe role

[grim jay]

Ngl choice nodes are only the illusion of a choice

[balmy condor]

so like, a choice

[keen spruce]

[final dawn]

What i honestly like about m+ this season is that people are not playing 30+ key level. At least this is what i remember from years ago

[keen spruce]

you could have internal bleeding and doomblade on a choice node. (if doomblade got a little btter)

so you have generator big ST damage

and finisher additional dot

i mean less interesting

[balmy condor]

well that's just cause they squished the numbers and the jump from 11 to 12 is the old jump from like 15 to 23, they didn't actually do anything groundbreaking to prevent that the numbers just get dumber quicker

[grim jay]

Eww

[keen spruce]

but thematic enough

[balmy condor]

yeah like I don't understand why internal and caustic are the choice node

[keen spruce]

I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CARE

[final dawn]

But for me that is good enough

[balmy condor]

cause they do polar opposite things

[keen spruce]

WHAT THE KEY NUMBER IS

LIKE... YOU MADE AN INFININTELY SCALING SYSTEM

IDC IF IT'S A GR 150 OR A +25

[grim jay]

Honestly the unholy tree is perfect

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

Wish for that treatment for all the trees

Where you just decide on style

Minions vs disease

Or a mix

[balmy condor]

the funniest thing to me is that they made an infinitely scaling system but the numbers scale exponentially so it ends up just being really obscure and fucks over all rating systems for no reason

like if you do a diablo 3 rift or diablo 4 pit

you're like okay

100 to 110

110 to 120

like I get it

scaling yep

you do a +11 in current season you're like okay 10 to 11, I got it, nice

and then you get your asshole split in half in a 12

and you're like jeez okay fuck

but you keep pushing

[clever sapphire]

woke up, read the pins, had a laugh, wondered why im still playing rogue, time to take a shower

[balmy condor]

you get to 15, you're like okay it's hard

you do a 16, exponentially harder

you do a 17, exponentially harder

but then the rating is linear?

[normal mist]

Same but with no shower

Besides, I only checked the pin because I woke up like this

[final dawn]

Whispyr do you mind if i ask where you are from?

[balmy condor]

california

[clever sapphire]

i kinda watched it on stream before falling asleep

[final dawn]

You could be a good german actually

[normal mist]

He knows too much

[balmy condor]

you won't believe this.

[normal mist]

AHAHAHAHA

[lost canopy]

You should coop stream with Kalamazi, on my head that sounds like a cool conversation about wow 🙂

[final dawn]

[balmy condor]

I think I've talked to kalamazi twice in my life

[kind forge]

he has the german in him

[balmy condor]

and one of them was at blizzcon just going "hey, you're kalamazi"

[grim jay]

I wouldnt know him if he stood before me

Whispyr on the other hand

[balmy condor]

well

you also don't interact with guide writers and content creators and rwf every season and shit

so like yeah makes sense

[grim jay]

I interact with you and seli every season

LIES

[balmy condor]

I said rwf not rwl

[normal mist]

Lol

[balmy condor]

have you seen my queen prog?

[grim jay]

But you are guide writers

And you are a content creator

[balmy condor]

it is true

that is my job

[grim jay]

Did you kill it by now or are you still on it?

[balmy condor]

we haven't seen the end of p2 man

[clever sapphire]

oh we flexing with shit prog? we are like 190 pulls into kyveza and we finally saw past 30% hp

[grim jay]

Thats.. Kinda untypical for your guild aint it?

[balmy condor]

this whole tier is not typical

this tier has been misery

and both our tanks have announced they're quitting

one already has

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

game is just shit man idk

[rotund oak]

im prolly buying poe 2 afternoon,chill lvling with my dogo yapping

[balmy condor]

maplestory prog yep

[rotund oak]

thats also a propability

like idk what to do until the end of february,play plunderstorm?

[dawn seal]

[normal mist]

Probably the most interactive gameplay with somewhat good rewards

[rotund oak]

ild rather play maplestory,got 500+ mounts achievment,most tmogs i want and the only thing ive never had is a rank 1 mount which is prolly something that will never happen

[normal mist]

So you know how unhappy I am this season, it's the first time since BFA I didn't get the season elite set from pvp

Literally no drive to do it

[grim jay]

Im on a break aswell

M+ is meh

[rotund oak]

im close to elite on my mage but its very hard now to que into ele shamans and surv hunters

they just run over me

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor I must say your newest video's title rolls right off the tongue.

"BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD! BAD!" might even be your magnum opus

[runic hinge]

It took me 6 shuffles. I promise it’s easy

[bronze pike]

new title should be

[normal mist]

I cancelled my sub, wondering if I'm returning next patch (probably will but not really excited)

[bronze pike]

"this new ring is shit, this new tier is shit, this new m+ season is shit

[balmy condor]

idk about the monetization on that

[normal mist]

I went 1796 twice in a row. I just value my keyboard and sanity more than that set

[grim jay]

Can you do a second channel

Call it Whispyr unhinged

[bronze pike]

monetization?

[runic hinge]

I felt really lucky. Got 470 rating from one 5-1 lobby and was like damn that was way too easy

[cerulean walrus]

How else do you think he buys his microwaved chicken nuggets?

With water ketchup

[radiant raven]

What is water ketchup?

[rotund oak]

u shuffling?

do we RM this mfk@r to 2.4?

im hyped to que 2s now

[grim jay]

Who in his right mind

Thats not entirely ungodly

And behind civilization

Eats those with ketchup

[runic hinge]

I got my goal and now I don’t have to queue anymore

[rotund oak]

huge gz fam

[grim jay]

Thats quite the jump

[runic hinge]

I could definitely push higher I just dunno if I wanna sweat it

[grim jay]

On rating

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean going 5-1 in a 2k lobby at 1400 mmr is good for rating lol

[final dawn]

Wait, are you not looking forward to darkcleft?

[rotund oak]

if u maintain a 50-50% ratio u are 2.2 territory ezclap

just need couple good lobbies and u cookin'

ild push if i were u

[runic hinge]

I might. Depends on who is around this weekend. If none of my friends are online I might push just for something to do

[rotund oak]

my hpally is full green 2-3 crafted items no precog and its 2.1mmr

literally the filth of the earth

[runic hinge]

Yeah I don’t think any of those people were that good. Actually the healer was good

They instant leap of faith my kidney into bomb twice

[rotund oak]

doubt it but the truth is priests are very OP atm

[bronze pike]

I’m totally looking forward to mechagon again for the 5th time

[radiant raven]

Mechagon workshop was the only M+ I ran for a load of the last season of BfA. Fond memories that I'm expecting to get ruined.

[royal lantern]

bro, workshop for the 3rd season!!!!!

workshop, a well known m+ favorite of everyone!!!

[rotund oak]

especially that garden boss

OG

[royal lantern]

now with even more shity mechanics, like the first boss regenerating the DR!!!!

[radiant raven]

It was my favourite, so maybe they're designing it for me.

[royal lantern]

I LOVE IT

[grim jay]

Literally a "I will farm my gear and thats it" season dungeon-wise

[hearty reef]

chat are we cooked?

[subtle tundra]

chat im COCKED

😼

[bronze pike]

Me

[balmy condor]

The first piece of news surprisingly is positive: Crimson Tempest does not snapshot, meaning there is no benefit in trying to cram a Rupture or Crimson Tempest into the bonus from the 4-piece. After that, I sadly hit the 15% chance of losing my positivity streak.

is this a banger

[bronze pike]

Go to bed

[balmy condor]

can't, need to update review article with PTR findings

[bronze pike]

It’s 2am

[balmy condor]

it feels like a banger though

[grim jay]

11 am bozo

[balmy condor]

is it too snarky

might be a bit much

[grim jay]

Its great

[bronze pike]

A tad bit snarky

[grim jay]

9.5/10

[bronze pike]

You’ll get hit with a banger like this

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's also the type of one liner that I know an item dev will see when they close their eyes

the question is if that's worth it

[grim jay]

Definitely

[normal mist]

Totally

[balmy condor]

delete this wtf

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

ultra tossik

[bronze pike]

Context is ret tier set btw

It’s actually not shit according to this wowhead comment

[balmy condor]

wowhead comments know best

[royal lantern]

wowhead commentors are the picasos of our time

[bronze pike]

Truly

[royal lantern]

they know EVERYTHING better then everyone else

[grim jay]

Maybe I should be a wowhead comment person, sounds like an easy way to be smart

[balmy condor]

I wrote a d4 article the other day and a wowhead commenter said that I must be AI because I didn't have a grammar mistake for the entire 500+ word article

generational intellect

[bronze pike]

Jesus Christ

[novel star]

wow reading that pin made me want to kill myself thanks whispyr rogue

11.1 looking really fun and good

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

We really are becoming idiocracy democracy

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

it makes for funny clip though

[subtle tundra]

theres killing self here?

sign me up!

[hearty reef]

Isnt that like 2 or 3 ticks with shit haste

[balmy condor]

yes

[hearty reef]

[subtle tundra]

wouldnt i want that to happen, to proc 4pc as many times and have max stacks from it

[novel star]

positivity streak line is banger btw ur a pussy if you cut it

[balmy condor]

but the alternative would be seeing the 4 piece proc (on average once every 2 minutes with current numbers and bug fixes), pressing mut 3 times to get max cp, and then ripping the fattest rupture/CT imaginable

so

pick your evil mr nike if that even is your real brand name shoe

[subtle tundra]

ripping the FART

[novel star]

fire bro

[subtle tundra]

imagine you just ruptured and the best numerically button to press in your proc is another rupture

[hearty reef]

Excuse me it's greek spelling and i certainly didnt advocate for snapping

[subtle tundra]

i want my nuts ruptured

😼

[novel star]

same

[bronze pike]

I’ve never seen a tier more disparage than

[hearty reef]

Just renarking that the 4 secs are shit overall

[novel star]

😼

[bronze pike]

Sanctum of dom gems

[balmy condor]

everything about this thing is shit

[earnest remnant]

i had them giga early i did not mind gems xD

[balmy condor]

check pin

[novel star]

🫠

[subtle tundra]

atleast it isnt dmg after my CDs, right?

oh wait i have that baseline

[balmy condor]

I mean it is damage after you CDs if it doesn't proc

gg

[bronze pike]

Clown patch

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-burrito-burrito-gif-27664931

[bronze pike]

I agree

Every tier I tested today before work

And after

Was just gigA shit

[balmy condor]

4 piece isn't 100% varas, so you could technically open on target, get to 1 stack, lose stack, gain 2 stack, lose stack, cds done

[grim jay]

That sounds like you made it up

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

fuck off man

[subtle tundra]

oh... chance to... gain..

i though...

[novel star]

blue balls tierset

[subtle tundra]

that uh...

[novel star]

so braindead

[subtle tundra]

logically..

[balmy condor]

well chance to gain winning streak, then chance to lose winning streak, then chance to gain winning streak when you lose winning streak

so a chance to have a chance at a chance

[bronze pike]

Make it stop

[subtle tundra]

bro 4pc is like a .5% dps shit

isnt it

[balmy condor]

probably less than that

[subtle tundra]

woah

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-groans-gif-5937975

[grim jay]

What happens if you take the double L and lose your winning streak on losing your winning streak

Does it delete my char?

[subtle tundra]

and all of this shit interaction just for us to get flat number buffs

instead of cool ability procs

like ranges

?!?!??!?!
WHY DO THEY WIN SO HARD

[bronze pike]

Cause blizzard hates melee

[hearty reef]

Ranged patch

[bronze pike]

And even them are kinda shit

Rng pi

Wow huge

[hearty reef]

We got the melee patch

[grim jay]

I honestly dont mind them generalizing 2p boni that much, but the rng they hit us with is just stupid

[bronze pike]

When

[novel star]

don’t worry guys they’ll fix everything our tier set is going to get huge mechanical and numerical buffs because that’s what the ptr is for

[bronze pike]

I don’t remember it

[novel star]

they put new content on ptr to get feedback and make changes

:)

[subtle tundra]

what if they made it prolong our bleeds by 2seX or smth

idk

SOMETHING THAT GIVES INTERACTION

[novel star]

Sexxxx… Nnnffhhhhhn

~<

[subtle tundra]

NOT A %DMG BUFF IM TIRED BOSS I WANT SOMETHING GAMEPLAY ALTERING

[rotund oak]

ild give u interaction alright

[radiant raven]

It spawns a slot machine and you put in a token and it gives you a random poison buff instead?

[grim jay]

That would be some pseudo stuff. It wouldnt really change anything

[novel star]

varas it’s fine bro the season 1 tierset was only boring because they had to test hero talents

it’s all a dream

11.1 has not yet been revealed

🧙

[grim jay]

Reveal DN

[novel star]

done now what.

surely whispyr of hating 11.0.7 isn’t cooking up another beautiful pin for the children

[hearty reef]

He stopped typing

No he resumed

[grim jay]

Idk, either that or I will get roasted

[hearty reef]

[grim jay]

Since I was the last to respond

[bronze pike]

He’s writing a post

About

How I’ll save rogues with my ideas

[novel star]

ur pretty inoffensive davyn i don’t think hed have that many words for u

[bronze pike]

I’ll give ya a preview

[grim jay]

You dont know what I whisper him

But also ty

[novel star]

i don’t

ur right

[grim jay]

Please dont

[subtle tundra]

you whysper in his ear...

wait i botched his name

nvm block me

whatever

[whole mason]

ok, SF now grants cp for crit env?

[grim jay]

How could you spell our god Whyspar's name wrong

[bronze pike]

Alien tempest: passive, icd 10seconds: your dots have a chance to proc a toxic alien life form from your daggers. This alien melees your primary target and puts a stacking dot on up to 8 targets. When the alien disappears all stacks explode once per stack until all stacks are gone

[grim jay]

Why Alien tho

Like all the concepts and you choose Alien

[subtle tundra]

cool name

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-dance-venom-gif-27212216

[subtle tundra]

venom jumpscare

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-rivals-squirrel-girl-gif-15613912139213690291

[novel star]

wtf gay little venom

[royal lantern]

they will solve that by buffing the number to 50% more dmg for 4seconds

[novel star]

cums instantly

[royal lantern]

just gamble good bro

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-xenomorph-the-frog-alien-gif-26815761

[whole mason]

ok, why SF now grants cp for env, even not crit ones?

[royal lantern]

its a casino raid bro

[balmy condor]

lets do quick math hold on, so with 2 piece fixed and the current numbers we have 10rppm for winning, 15% chance for losing, 20% chance for 4 piece. We can ignore the 10rppm cause we should always have at least 1 stack realistically, so then it's just the 15% for the 20%, and that's quick maths 3%. So 3% chance on any finisher to get a 4 second buff on rupture/CT and empower 1 envenom by 45%. AIGHTY THATS MATH. We press on. My sim casts 60 envenoms and 9 ruptures in single target in 5 minutes, banger alert, 69 funny number lets fucking go. 3% chance on 69 is 2.07 procs in a fight, so that's 8 seconds of uptime in 5 minutes, 2 envenoms get buffed. 8 seconds of +45% damage in 300 seconds is an additional (8/300)x0.45xRupture damage increase, so 0.026x0.45 is 0.012, so the rupture buff is 1.2%. Math checks out just off a quick check cause 10% of 30 seconds in 300 seconds is 1%, 10x30 is 300, 8x45 is 360, so should be slightly stronger. Excellent work. Now the additional 2 45% buffed envenoms, which is equal to 90% of average envenom damage, incredible. My average envenom is 2.1mil, so 90% of that is 1.89mil, over 300 seconds is 6.3k dps which is a big pussy poppin 0.4% dps increase lets fucking go smash it all back together

4 piece is +1.6% if you properly pool and hit your once every 2.5 min 4 piece proc, I N S A N E V A L U E

[subtle tundra]

many numbers

sugma

[bronze pike]

Venom is a alien

[royal lantern]

pin that

[bronze pike]

And venom is a assassin concept

[balmy condor]

we are so back

[subtle tundra]

ok but surely its an insane tier set for aoe

[dawn seal]

Are we

[novel star]

pin it and then people come in asking about pooling cause of the bold text

[dawn seal]

👀

[novel star]

it’s piss i think

[balmy condor]

quick meths says probably like 2.5% cause CT damage affected

but all the uptime math is the same

[novel star]

yea

[hearty reef]

He typed!

[balmy condor]

very cool

[subtle tundra]

i need my shit jorked RN

BLIZZ!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jorkin-it-rubbing-it-down-gif-11671966088229427743

[grim jay]

Why

[balmy condor]

if I could be any bigger of a fan I would be a plane turbine and just eat instantly as many birds as my rotors could muster, forcing sully to land on the Hudson

[whole mason]

so after 4pc, full stacks removed after 4s?

[royal lantern]

jorkin it for varas

[balmy condor]

after the 4 piece you return to your previous stacks

[subtle tundra]

i can eat birds?

[whole mason]

so it actually gets a bit extra value then?

[subtle tundra]

how do pidgeons taste

[little tulip]

i think i asked this a few months ago but is there any way to know if building amp poison stacks is a dps increase over idk regular gameplay moments

[balmy condor]

what gets extra value

[balmy condor]

what does this mean

[royal lantern]

tf do you think Chicken is

[whole mason]

otherwise it would be 0 stacks if not trigger 4pc?

[subtle tundra]

you wont cap amp stacks

so it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

okay and?

you would just lose them again on the next round

[little tulip]

that's what i figured, this other rogue was being really specific but also just had 636 daggers in mh/oh

i stopped tracking it on plater etc

[whole mason]

then it would be some small value until next round

[subtle tundra]

yes man only envenom when you have over 85.3 energy, 5.1 CP OR HIGHER, elaborate planning almost running out, 1 stack of envenom, a boomkin thinking of sexual things with you

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

and 10 stacks of amp

[little tulip]

also m+ would be kinda cool if the timer started after you died a few times imo

[grim jay]

I think youd enioy peacock

[little tulip]

doesn't break mdi or anything

[novel star]

would you have sex with a boobkin

i truly didn’t mean to type boobkin

[subtle tundra]

yes and yes

[novel star]

but

[balmy condor]

I shall not respond

[subtle tundra]

plumpkin

[balmy condor]

god has told me not today

[whole mason]

So 4pc would be 20% of small 45% buff and also 20% chance not lose stacks?

[balmy condor]

you are my toughest battle

[fresh blaze]

hello there

[balmy condor]

but I shall not falter

[grim jay]

Deja vu

[fresh blaze]

any usefull ovinax egg trinket weakaura plz

[bronze pike]

I have another son fix

Sin*

[subtle tundra]

idk ive been liking sub

[little tulip]

[grim jay]

Probably a million on wago

[novel star]

sub tier looks nice

[grim jay]

You look nice

[subtle tundra]

imagine if sub had a blade flurry, just not completely all abilities, a bit like spatter, just doesnt require me to have rupture on the mob

[novel star]

thanks man

[subtle tundra]

oh.......

[novel star]

[grim jay]

That would be insane

[bronze pike]

Shrapnel: throw a volatile poison bomb at your target ceasing you to have 25% more crit chance on the target, stunning it. This also does more damage per combo point spent, it can also crit times 4 instead of 2

I saved sin

[subtle tundra]

would break the spec

MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW

[grim jay]

I think thats why they dont fix stuff over there

So it balances it out

[subtle tundra]

do you think

[balmy condor]

I try my best not to

[radiant raven]

giving rogues hand grenades is a cool idea. More of this, imo.

[royal lantern]

thats literally survival mate

[subtle tundra]

yea gas grenades and we're suddenly in ww2

[golden loom]

atomic bomb capstone

[balmy condor]

poison bomb

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/umineko-girls-voices-cute-gif-12106958040860990716

[subtle tundra]

dont tell them

[grim jay]

Yeah no

Its like as cool as pirates

So fucking bad

[bronze pike]

Ty

[bronze pike]

More outlaw

Bte

Now we just gotta double sins apm

[royal lantern]

we talk about rogue

[bronze pike]

And it becomes a perfect spec

[little tulip]

fan of knives on q and e yea

[radiant raven]

What if it had a really funny animation and comedy sound effect when it hit the enemy

[novel star]

Active poison bomb

Based

[grim jay]

Even bigger no

[subtle tundra]

another button? not in this wow

[golden loom]

give rogues flash bangs to combo with smoke bomb

and an MP5

[grim jay]

I still need 2 new skills to fill in the blanks er and snd left

[subtle tundra]

giving rogues the ability to flash, their cock

play with webcam required

i do have time in my ST rotation to do it

[grim jay]

I would flash you

Immediately

[subtle tundra]

😼

i play with a full erection in m+

blood pumpin'

[grim jay]

My desk only has the right angle if I have a boner

Wait what

[novel star]

surely we removed boring buttons like snd to make room for new fun ones and didn’t just remove them for the sake of it

[grim jay]

Why are we so weird today

[novel star]

[radiant raven]

Reset day

[subtle tundra]

push week is starting soon again...

Fuck my asshole

!!!

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/jorkin-it-rubbing-it-down-gif-11671966088229427743

[grim jay]

No matter the reason, its my fuel for today

[analog field]

guys i am trying to use quick sim to compare 2 trinkets, how can i change my gear? I have linked my character and it shows the items i have crrently equipped but i want to change a trinket . Is it possible ?

[novel star]

someone post the push week clip

[grim jay]

Motivation is at rock bottom and I have to gym today at the busiest time

Fml

[grim jay]

Top gear

[subtle tundra]

my previous gym was bought by a romanian celebrity

so thats gg

[analog field]

i am doing it from laptop where i dont have the simcraft addon , do i need it ?

[novel star]

you do

[grim jay]

No

You can manually add items on topgear

And it has your last logout gear saved

[analog field]

ah ok i will convert it to simcraft and then change a trinket ?

[grim jay]

You visit raidbots, select topgear, enter your char, add the trinket and let it run

[jade abyss]

Im so excited for the gamba

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-stink-disgusted-ewww-gif-6140918402832687553

[subtle tundra]

good news is

there is skardyns from the raid

yaaay

no need to grimba farm

[spice spire]

Don’t bully

[grim jay]

Please let it be from one of the first bosses aswell

[subtle tundra]

that boss is gonna get splits regardless

[jade abyss]

I hope we get good trinkets out of dungeons o.o

[subtle tundra]

no way it doesnt for bis trinket

[grim jay]

It was a mild reaction already because its puma

[spice spire]

Good

[grim jay]

But still, early boss earlier good

[jade abyss]

Your so kind to me i appreciate it

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

later boss = higher ilvl on drop

😉

[royal lantern]

huh

[dusk juniper]

can i just stay on bloodhound boss mythic like fire mages or do i have to switch on adds

[grim jay]

I mean I'm known for my kindness anyways, but how could I not try my best for an angelic presence second only to @spice spire

[dusk juniper]

or easier does caustic spatter spread that far

[royal lantern]

you stay Boss tbh

[golden loom]

u can spatter from add to boss but not other way

[grim jay]

Idc for the ilvl ngl, I rather have it early and be done

[royal lantern]

by the time you swapped and got a single envenom out, they are at 10% hp lol

[dusk juniper]

okay just stand on boss yea?

with casutic talent or with st

[royal lantern]

ST

[subtle tundra]

i care cause it means less crests to spend

[dusk juniper]

kk thx

[royal lantern]

you cant spatter from the Boss

cus its 8yards from the middle of the boss model

[dusk juniper]

do i multy dot on st talents?

[golden loom]

isnt it more overall to spatter from the harbringer add tho

[subtle tundra]

and ye it matters to me cause i clear raid first month or so so f u davyn

nvm i kisses you

[spice spire]

Too early for glazing king

[golden loom]

cause you get spatter on the 2 others and it also hits bloodhound

[grim jay]

You have some in your bag for some time anyways

Atleast I always have

Because I dont drop shit from raid

[grim jay]

Its nearly 12 dog

[novel star]

yea prob

if ur raid has crazy add dam then no i guess but

[subtle tundra]

i killed queen ansurek with my only loot from mythic raid being a dagger(only time dagger dropped, it dropped x2 and i got the 2nd one) and a pair of 623 legs

so yea it matters to me

cause im always behind on gear

[royal lantern]

idk about you, but by the time i get full cp->ruptue->mutilate for spatter->build cp for the first envenom

1 guy is allready dead

[subtle tundra]

[royal lantern]

holiday season fucked our queen prog

[jade abyss]

True gamerz like you doesnt need loot to perform

[royal lantern]

no raid for 3 weeks

:c

would be dead otherwhise tbh

[subtle tundra]

ofc i dont i was almost the lowest ilvl in the raid

i was top queen dmg

[novel star]

holiday season made me quit again

11.2 clutch up surely

[subtle tundra]

im just a goat

[little tulip]

not sure if can start mythic raid cause schedule is getting scrungled fr

[golden loom]

yeah guess I also have a skewed view from pugs where the adds live forever

[royal lantern]

draenei player confirmed

[subtle tundra]

milk me

[novel star]

ew

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-milk-gif-3475161

[jade abyss]

Im at 638 now an struggle with 13's x.x thats sad q.q

[blazing pumice]

just exploit like everyone else is

[royal lantern]

btw, its funny how enh/ele both got no nerfs at all

like, shit got nuked into the ground for less

[radiant raven]

Bet you 5 gold it'll happen after the patch goes live.

[novel star]

WORLD

of

warcraft

[royal lantern]

did they manage to gaslight blizzard with the constant "enh is never good!!!!" even thought enh shaman is 1 of the strongest dps in the last 3 tiers now?

[jade abyss]

Never

[novel star]

enh is still bad currently buff it

hard working spec

baseg

[broken chasm]

can you help me find the best poisons?

[rotund oak]

amplifying/deadly

[novel star]

deadly amp

[rotund oak]

u are welcome

[novel star]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[golden loom]

plus crippling

[broken chasm]

thank you

Do you think I should change something in the talents? this is my the best sim single/aoe dps

[little tulip]

that looks like the mythic build

[novel star]

i would drop sanguine for iron wire

but otherwise it’s all fine

[golden loom]

I would run double vanish personally

[novel star]

baseg

[jade abyss]

Dashing scoundrel is garbage for m+ right?

[novel star]

ye

[golden loom]

yeah ur already limited on talent points so no real way to get it

[final dawn]

Does someone know if there is like a comprehensive overview of toolkits from every class that they bring into m+?

[blazing pumice]

you drop sbs and get it

[novel star]

why would you do that

[blazing pumice]

so you can pick up sudden demise and sanguine

[final dawn]

Or do i need to check each specs wowhead guide?

[blazing pumice]

doomblade sux

[novel star]

okay i guess

sbs kinda nice tho

[grim jay]

In reality it saves like 2 globals

[golden loom]

it just feels so nice that I would drop deathmark before dropping sbs

[grim jay]

Tho

[blazing pumice]

idk i dropped it and i don't look back

it all sims basically the same

[golden loom]

yeah thats why I feel like going for feelcraft stuff makes sense

[shy axle]

you mean you dropped sbs for scoundrel in m+?

[golden loom]

for me atleast double vanish, sbs etc just makes m+ less of a hassle which is

[blazing pumice]

i dropped sbs so i can pick up ttk

and then i have a free point that i can stick in iron wire if i need to

[little tulip]

anyway it's a shame bear druid can't grisp mobs and carry them around

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-chomping-watermelon-chomp-snack-gif-9646577

[radiant raven]

That'd be really funny

[winged sun]

5th time now i get skardyn

wtf

[pliant remnant]

fuck off

It's my last non-639

[clever sapphire]

finally got it, never doing keys again this season

[winged sun]

just got it on my sham too

needed it on sham tho

so kinda big

[pliant remnant]

I got it on shammy and huntard too

Always just happens that whatever I main is cursed

[little tulip]

gonna call it around 12 keys probably

[snow quest]

I've been doing that too, feels pretty good and sims a bit better in st

But it got me wondering how sbs interacts with sd

It obviously doesn't count as a dot with infinite duration for the execute

But does it count at all?

[balmy condor]

30 seconds worth

[snow quest]

Thank you sir

[jade abyss]

Today is skaldyns week it seems

[crystal glen]

I wasnt thrilled when they released the tier set notes but after seeing it in action its even worse somehow xD its just purely random procs you can’t play around because it procs off the tics xD

[dusk juniper]

4 days into assa rogue on mythic rasha this class feels just great

[grim jay]

They should just stick with dmg procs or something, I passionately hate every random proc that has different value at different times

[grim jay]

Ilvl parses are a meme if thats what you wanted to highlight, but im glad you enjoy your time and a 87 is pretty good

[dusk juniper]

well i was 625

[grim jay]

Yeah that makes the ilvl parse worse

Its ironic how its actually worse the lower in ilvl you are

[dusk juniper]

why tho if im parsing 100 on ilvl i should be parsing 95% for sure when i am 635+

[grim jay]

Thats sadly not how they work

Lower ilvl parses very much depend on which pieces of your gear you got the ilvl on

Compared to the other people in that bracket

You could, for an extreme case, just wear really really low ilvl wrists or none at all and parse 100 on ilvl

[dusk juniper]

well yea but when my generel is a 87 with 625 ilvl and my ilvl is a 100 i did good

[grim jay]

You did good because your general is a 87 Yeah

[dusk juniper]

would for sure parse 95+ with 636 for example

[grim jay]

Potentially

[dusk juniper]

you cant parse 100 generel with that low ilvl when there is 639s pumping way more cause of ilvl

[grim jay]

Yeah, but that doesnt validate the ilvl parse. You did good because you got a 87 overall and especially because your ilvl is decently lower

[balmy condor]

You can’t parse 100 general with low ilvl, but you can parse 100 general against the chimpanzees buying sales and insta dying on pull in your ilvl bracket

[grim jay]

Dont insult chimps

[balmy condor]

Just bend reality to what you want it to be

[subtle tundra]

ok

i do that alr

[balmy condor]

Unequip your cloak, parse explodes

Free 100’s

Share this hack with 5 friends

[subtle tundra]

hi can i share my nuts with your chin

?

[grim jay]

Varas, the first reality bender

[dusk juniper]

ohhh now i know why u mean ilvl is a meme

[balmy condor]

No, balls too large chin too small

[grim jay]

Do you have a blue arrow on your balls tho

[dusk juniper]

well i didnt take anything off so

[subtle tundra]

i have some weird spots on my balls

should burn them off

[balmy condor]

Well yeah but that doesn’t change the fact your ilvl bracket is saturated with awful players and sale runs

So it doesn’t mean much

87 overall is far more impressive than a 100 for ilvl bracket

[dusk juniper]

yea kinda hate this season

[royal lantern]

mate, the average wow player doesnt have 5 friends

thats why m+ is so Pug dominated

[grim jay]

That might make you a gender bender

[subtle tundra]

and actually barely any real humans playing to compare with cause parses got reset with .7

so thers like noone at that ilvl

and whoever is, isnt human most likely

[grim jay]

Dont you already have 5 friends if you work somewhere and arent socially awkward

[dusk juniper]

everybody buys boosts. i bought like 4 mythc dungeons and hc boosts aswell just to gear that charakter when he freshly got 80

[balmy condor]

Ummm Wouldn’t matter anyway since parses are on a 2 week cycle

[dusk juniper]

but people buying boosts but struggling in 8s are the worst people

[subtle tundra]

new parse info dropped

wtf?

[balmy condor]

You didn’t know that?

[subtle tundra]

goes to show how much i care about parsing

anyway, parses are a joke this tier

(as have been since DF)

[strange sleet]

wdym

[balmy condor]

Deez futz…..

[balmy condor]

Rng has been really high since df

[grim jay]

Yeah we just compare Bench PRs now

[subtle tundra]

if i can get these parses on mythic, parses mean nothing

[balmy condor]

Hey that looks like mine

[grim jay]

Nice 0 dog

Did you go afk?

[subtle tundra]

yes

i took off gear

and died to first frontal

[grim jay]

Ilvl parse?

[balmy condor]

Pog

[subtle tundra]

i got my first court PULL yesterday

[balmy condor]

Not pog

[subtle tundra]

or rather 2 days ago

[balmy condor]

Sorry you had to pull that boss

I don’t wish anyone the pain of having to spend time doing court

[royal lantern]

"social akward"

bro we spend time typing in a discord channel of a 20year old mmo, we are the pinnacle social akward

[balmy condor]

Nah irl im so goated at small talk frfr

Hit em with a “weathers been rough lately eh?”

[grim jay]

I think I became a better person through sin channel

Im way more patient

[balmy condor]

Class discords are crazy tough mental checks

[dusk juniper]

after nerf its so easy

queen is way harder

[grim jay]

Thats his weakpoint

[balmy condor]

You’re having a good day and then you just get absolutely gapped by a herbie

[grim jay]

Dont

[dusk juniper]

rather have that dance instead of fkn queen prog

[balmy condor]

That is insane

[dusk juniper]

court actually a fun boss

[balmy condor]

You’re getting worse

[dusk juniper]

if we dont kill queen in the next 4 raid days imma cut my arms

[subtle tundra]

raid leader wanted to cr me lol

yea sure

they 1 shot the boss with me on the floor

[grim jay]

It actually is. Like there aint much worse that could hit you irl than prepatch class discord

[radiant raven]

Just gotta sacrifice someone to the raid bosses, easy kill.

[subtle tundra]

this is what i meant

i dont parse well

this tier is a joke

[balmy condor]

I handle deaths in my family really gracefully now after having dealt with the repeated death of my braincells during ptr cycles

[grim jay]

Ikr, my grandma died last friday

[balmy condor]

Did you queue another grim batol

[grim jay]

No, but I signed up for another reclear

On sunday

[subtle tundra]

SUNDAY>

[balmy condor]

You haven’t fully ascended yet but you’re close

[subtle tundra]

YOU FUCKING HUMONCULOUS

[balmy condor]

Sunday reclear is pretty diabolical

[subtle tundra]

SUNDAY?

[grim jay]

I wasnt even joking

On either

I for sure wont sign up for another a grim butthole out of my free will this season tho

[balmy condor]

You shall fully become an übermensch once a family member dies and you’re sitting at the funeral thinking about your io

It’s push week….

[grim jay]

What if you personally carry the coffin so you can force them to move faster

Because they will trip if they dont

[radiant raven]

Just bring a steam deck with you.

Play while sitting there

[balmy condor]

Saves time on the procession run

Gotta skip the pack with your aunts

Huge forced rp if you pull them

[strange sleet]

🤦‍♂️

[grim jay]

I will most certainly skip that on monday

Else they will need to dig more holes

[balmy condor]

Imagine all the “my you’ve gotten so tall, I remember when…”

Might as well disband next key at that point

[little tulip]

[grim jay]

What about starting to express time in potential keys completed

[balmy condor]

Yeah guys I need to leave in 3 necrotic wakes

[royal lantern]

whisp

queen dead?

[balmy condor]

Fuck no

[royal lantern]

or still on prog

[balmy condor]

What do we look like

A competent guild?

[royal lantern]

cute

[grim jay]

Btw are the fires somewhere close to you?

My memory is worse than the new 4p

Also murica

[grim jay]

What about sunday tho

[little tulip]

beluga melon tbh

[royal lantern]

wait, are you guys doing 2 or 3 raid days

[little tulip]

algari alchemist stone?

[balmy condor]

:)

[royal lantern]

pls no

oof

[balmy condor]

Nein

[pliant remnant]

oh no

[little tulip]

it's not as funny in writing buuuut arnie going yee haw twice

[grim jay]

Great. On the other hand it might get extinguished by the sheer amount of Monster cans alone

[balmy condor]

To put it in perspective, while it is still California that is burning, I am in the middle of California, and it’s burning the south. It’s around the same thing if Paris was burning and I went “hey davyn you good?

California is VERY large

[grim jay]

I didnt remember where exactly in cali you are

Also why did you choose Paris? Historical reasons?

[subtle tundra]

what if moldova was burning, would you be worried about me

[balmy condor]

I chose Paris cause I know that Stuttgart to Paris by car is roughly the same as me to fire by car

Cause I explain this to my German family

A lot

[grim jay]

Well probably, because if its burning there somewhere it will always be close to you

[balmy condor]

If who was burning

[subtle tundra]

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