assassination

[sullen robin]

thx
i always prefer doing my own WAs and stuff
but maybe i try a new plater profile - but im using mine since ages - maybe it will be hard to have something "different"
used like quazi generic m+ plater profile^^

maybe i import one - look what they show / what they hide -and how hide stuff works - go back to my old- and change stuff here xD

[pliant remnant]

I mean yeh, just import the mods

[pure moth]

You could just import one and pull pieces out that you like. Or edit one how you want it.

[pliant remnant]

I imported stuff from Whispyr's Plater into the one that I use 'cause visually I like mine way better

Plater is versatile

[sullen robin]

so you can like -"merge" different stuff? hmkayyyyy didnt know that - thx

[pure moth]

Yeah you can copy and paste things you like and make it your own.

[pliant remnant]

Yeh, you can export mods

as a text string

and import them between Plater profiles

[runic hinge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[scarlet barn]

thx

[pearl steppe]

Shadowtide Corruptor's on the northern isle

should i be fkn losing to them 1v1?

also the dark harvesters

whenver I see any other class show up like warlocks or paladins or death knights

they come and solo them or even do multiple mobs at once

meanwhile im getting trucked in a 1v1 unless i use deathmark

which feels super wrong

im ilvl617

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure moth]

That area generally hits hard. Have definitely died there myself

[brave comet]

do i use my cooldowns during intermission 2 of mythic court or do i save it for amp?

[pearl steppe]

just figured id ask cause i see other classes have no problem

i basically have to play around my vanish and deathmark cds which is kinda annoying for overworld content lol

[balmy condor]

depends on your guilds strat

[pure moth]

might depend on group? When is your group lusting? Some groups lust at the 3min ish mark so i'd hold cds for that if your group is lusting there.

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much depends on the lust and if you're holding the i1 shield

[brave comet]

holding dps on shield, lusting in takaj first amp

[balmy condor]

yeah then you definitely don't cd on shield

you just cd first charge and the first dispel

[spice spire]

Why would you ever press dps button when hold dps

[balmy condor]

my parse

[onyx gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shrewd night]

@ember mural

IT ONLY TOOK 12 HOURS

[balmy condor]

for what

[spice spire]

Him to touch grass

[spice spire]

https://youtu.be/x1QV6ow2NLQ?si=wggaFDHUhqvGSiZj

[balmy condor]

me too pilav

[dawn seal]

yeah

its sadgers

I was playing a fire mage on my kill

and we were holding on shield

[ember mural]

[brave comet]

and in intermission 2, and p3?

[balmy condor]

should have a kb for intermission 2 and then dm on second amp p3 I guess

or cds at the start of p3 depending on what group you're in

[brave comet]

i'm in blue

[balmy condor]

yeah so adjust accordingly

[brave comet]

would the second amp in p3 be right after takaj's dispell?

[foggy thicket]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hasty echo]

Do sims use 10stack/20stack of ovi egg when they sim?

[spice spire]

20

[hasty echo]

20 what?

20/10 or 30/0 20/0?

[winged sun]

[spice spire]

20/10 generally but if you keep stacks around 20 either way you’re chuckling

[hasty echo]

yea i just was curious if it was simming it that way or if it was simming 30 stacks

[winged sun]

Quake

[steep gust]

If you pop feint before a dot goes out, does it reduce the ticking damage of the dot?

[winged sun]

It reduces the current ticking damage of the dot while feint is up

[steep gust]

cool thank you

[winged sun]

Once feint drops, no more dr (elusiveness)

[spice spire]

Zeross

Don’t make me go to sleep on a bad note big dog

[winged sun]

Fine fine

I keep my questions for tomorrow then

Not that I have any

[spice spire]

Never

[winged sun]

My brain need sleep me wake up early

[spice spire]

Same king

But

If you’re up now

That’s slightly earlier than I

[winged sun]

Ya it’s 7 am atm

Woke up 5

[spice spire]

Oh dog what fucking time zone are you in

[winged sun]

[spice spire]

+4?

[winged sun]

UAE

No idea dude wtf is +4

[spice spire]

GMT+4

Which yeah that’s uae

I’m -6

[winged sun]

Yea +4 apparently

[limber lion]

Hey I also woke up just now

[winged sun]

So I’m 10 hrs ahead?

[limber lion]

5am here

[winged sun]

Wait wtf ur +2?

[limber lion]

Yepyep

[spice spire]

Ye and GM Cev

[limber lion]

Gm gm

[spice spire]

Mfs wake up too damn early

Fuck

[limber lion]

It's funny because 2 days ago I went to bed at 10am

and woke up at 6pm

yet here we are

my body's messed up

[winged sun]

I slept at 1 today

If feel like my head is 2 times heavier

[cloud pike]

question about hotkeys, should ambush and mutilate be on the same hotkey or different?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter, Mutilate changes to Ambush automatically whenever you can use it

And whenever you can use Ambush, you want to use Ambush anyways

[cloud pike]

oh the button itself automatically changes?

[balmy condor]

for blindside procs yes

[cloud pike]

sorry im coming back from wow from a very long time

[balmy condor]

for stealth you can just put ambush on mutilates key and it's fine

[cloud pike]

ok got it

havent played assa since MoP lol

[balmy condor]

yeh been a while

[limber lion]

Yeh sorry should've specified

[cloud pike]

im not sure how to do the stealth changes buttons thing, is it a specific action bar?

i have mutilate on action bar 3 right now and it's either that or put ambush on there from spellbook, but it doesnt chagne when stealth or not

[coral ibex]

you put ambush on your stealth bar where mutilate would be

if you get a blindside proc (usually outside stealth)

mutilate becomes ambush

you dont need an ambush bind outside stealth

[pure moth]

you can also disable your stealth bar and make the bars how you want.

[cloud pike]

ah ok i think i see what you mean by stealth bar

its just a bit confusing with the new edit mode ui thing

[slate crown]

I wish editmode let you disable the bar altogether

the bar swap, that is

[pure moth]

oh default doesnt let you

?

[slate crown]

nope

I have to make both bars identical

painstakingly

[pure moth]

thats what i did before i started using elvui

[cloud pike]

the inconvenient thing is, i have my main main button on action bar 3 which doesn't swap with stealth. so i have to move everything to action bar 1 😦

[slate crown]

oh no you went to elvui I'm so sorry

[pure moth]

lol

i was tempted to go default.. but im just so used to this look now

[cloud pike]

yeah im using default to try to keep addon to a minimum for max performance

[slate crown]

yeah I just use default actionbars

and such

[pure moth]

ill switch when i have time to play with ui

[balmy condor]

yeh default UI good

[limber lion]

I played with ElvUI for a solid 5+ years as well until Dragonflight introduced the new UI

New UI is goated

[frigid kestrel]

You gotta link to your plater profile? My whole Plater stuff is jank out of the blue.

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

Right here

[frigid kestrel]

Thanks you the man

[limber lion]

Npnp

[sullen robin]

should i use tea manual - or just let it proc below 30?

[balmy condor]

!shiv

fuck

!ttea

FUCK

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

use that

[sullen robin]

i see - thx :>

[bronze pike]

yes pls

[slate crown]

https://fixupx.com/usa_polling/status/1873456316179693875?s=46

[balmy condor]

my gf keeps a tally of how many near-accidents are caused by teslas on her way to work

it is an insane amount of teslas compared to other cars

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlRO1Ix1LPQ

[vital lily]

anyone know how assa is looking for s2?

[spice surge]

Theres been zero changes announced

So If you like it now youll like it in s2

[vital lily]

perfect

ty

[runic hinge]

i love this one so much

[slate crown]

I DON'T FUCKING CARE

FUCK

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

don't you hate when you're just overloaded on slime

help, they're writhing about

[rotund oak]

blow those nostrils dear

oh lol

u can still profit from them,minor gains but still

[slate crown]

yeah they just move way slower than the rest of it, so they're just sitting around

They're not a significant contribution so I'll probably delete them eventually

poor slimes

[rotund oak]

idk whats the auction-vendor difference

[slate crown]

I don't think you can vendor

can you?

I tried and it wouldn't let me

[rotund oak]

cant recall but there are pets u can

[slate crown]

my tooltip says 1g vendor

they're 200g on NA on the AH

but again, they're effectively 0g

if they don't sell

(which they often don't)

[rotund oak]

yup yup

but 1 pays off for 200

[slate crown]

yeh

[rotund oak]

so in terms of math keep 1 on ah and sell the rest

to just be free fo guilt

[slate crown]

yeah fair enough

[rotund oak]

[hollow river]

why so many

[slate crown]

Cull 10 slimes for every 1

[rotund oak]

yup yup

[slate crown]

sacrifices for the few

the choices we must make

🫡

[rotund oak]

im doing only mercurial btw

[slate crown]

I've got my alc fully up to speed and I like Thaum quite a bit, it's reliable

I'm doing all 3, all 3 work it seems

[rotund oak]

nice!

[slate crown]

for NA at least, I keep an eye on all of it and try to guess some averages

It's just slow tho

Less risky than prospecting, but slower

[hollow river]

[rotund oak]

yup its steady income

[slate crown]

I'm working on something to make it more predictable but uh

[rotund oak]

in 2 months from now u'll see the gains

[slate crown]

it's going to take a while

[hollow river]

I just bought my Bruto and need to get back on a grindset

[slate crown]

Because addons aren't my fulltime job

one of these days tho I'll have something, maybe by the next expansion

[rotund oak]

u bought with gold i suppose aight?

how much raw gold did it take

[hollow river]

Yer

[slate crown]

I think earlier I was able to get ~35k per hour by being afk with thaum

was what I measured

[hollow river]

I bought the tokens around 250k each a while back

So around 1.7m ish?

[slate crown]

I think I bought for about that much?

[hollow river]

Basically everything I had

[rotund oak]

uve fiiled all the small thauma nodes on the tree or went up to 15 on each?

[slate crown]

Oh everything

[rotund oak]

think u can go up to 50k if u are maxed out

cool cool

[rotund oak]

got the old bruto but this wasnt expensive tbh

its just that they made it in such a way that nuked the currency balance

maybe im wrong though coz now i dont rly think about expenses anymore

i just buy wahtever i want without worrying

[slate crown]

Honestly I'm debating using crafting speed fully instead of reso for the tool, it's so slow, it's less profit % but the profit per hour may be better especially because the sellrate on the outputs is basically instant

so the crafting time is genuinely the chokepoint, which for most crafts is not the case

I'd need to do some testing to see

[rotund oak]

u can craft 2 tools,one craftspeed(which translates to more gold per hour,assuming u are pacted with the weaver) or go resourcefulness and go full afk mode when u press that button

[slate crown]

Oh yeah I have one of every tool

always do

[rotund oak]

its a matter of choice,i think if u arent pushing vast amounts of materials into the proffession resourcefulness might be better

until u start sending tens of thousands into it

[slate crown]

Uh yeah I've gone through at least 100k materials today

lol

[rotund oak]

i think i had posted solheims vid somewhere

then its 100% craft speed

hands down

unless u dont care about time and u wanna minmax them

[slate crown]

It's really like how long am I going for

[rotund oak]

yup

[slate crown]

am I afk etc

[rotund oak]

at the start of the xpansion it was mad gold

[spice spire]

Depends on personal stamina in my experience

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[rotund oak]

when u see them golds on ur backpack u gain infinite stamina 😂

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/blanket-cat-funny-gif-332469826982703541

[rotund oak]

koffing irl

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009237219216719902/1201942150166609950/DuyFSlUx.gif

[sullen robin]

#showtooltip
d /castsequence reset=10 Deadly Poison, Amplifying Poison, Atrophic Poison, Crippling Poison

sometimes it uses atrophic twice - is it when i do it to fast or is there another reason?

[balmy condor]

cast sequence macro jank

but yeh idk probably

idk how you could possibly click it too fast though, you gotta wait for the cast time

[sullen robin]

idk - im to lazy to use 4 hotkeys to poison up xD

i never woulld use it for incombat stuff - or opener and such - but for buffs -idk why not XD

[balmy condor]

I mean I couldn't care less what you do

cast sequences are just super jank

so it doesn't surprise me that it's breaking

[rotund oak]

if u dont have crippling applied it prolly reads both daggers individually thats why it casts twice

this is also cringe

i mean cs macros for poisons

[balmy condor]

game sucks

what can you do

[sullen robin]

but there is nothing to "read" on daggers - since they are not "on" the daggers anymore - since a while ^^

[rotund oak]

yeah call that spaghetti

[sullen robin]

fair

[rotund oak]

stupid cs macro

need to log and test it now

[honest oxide]

so uh am i just bad or does mythic court feel like shit to do dam on

[balmy condor]

both

[honest oxide]

i hate that fight on mythic

[balmy condor]

it is indeed an awful fight

[sullen robin]

i did like 15 "runs" without a doublecast

before i did like 5 - and it did 3 times a double-
sus - i guess i will never find out why - spaghetti code - lag - some mysterious interaction with addons XD

i mean....blizzard small indie companie ^^

[rotund oak]

yeah i just avoid cs macros coz they arent reliable,for melees at least

well in general but melees have the range issue as well

[hot fulcrum]

DM has 2 min cd, KB has 1 min cd. No need to delay

[empty hinge]

is there a reason for my macro not to pop potion with this macro

[balmy condor]

bugs :)

[empty hinge]

ty

[balmy condor]

can try /use item:212265 instead

for rank 3's

212264 for rank 2's

[hollow river]

there a lot of macro bugs going on now?

apparently the bare bones meld->stealth macro i've used forever no longer works, instantly breaks the stealth even sitting in the city

[balmy condor]

yeah "now"

as if macros haven't been a buggy fucking nightmare for 2 decades

[hollow river]

it was working not that long ago

[balmy condor]

potion macro breaking starting being more common in .5

[hollow river]

owow

[shrewd night]

Remember needing diffy ids for cauldron pots and regular SMILE

[grim jay]

My macro looks like shit because of that

Also happy new year meownar

[shrewd night]

Happy new year

Put me in my travelcage and send me to Irvine and Ill scratch ions legs for not having different names for potions

[runic hinge]

Deal

[grim jay]

Thats how fast you get caged these days

[rotund oak]

Put potion 1st 2nd tirnket 3rd DM on the list

sometimes they bug

happened to me when i was out of potions and used lower ranks

[brittle elm]

i had the same problem not too long ago and it just started working the next day

xd

[ebon ingot]

hey guys new assa rogue player here, started couple weeks ago, is it normal to do low dps when tanks are pulling small mobs? they wait too long between mobs as well and im losing my darkest night buff. any way to 'pug proof' this spec?

[balmy condor]

wait

your complaint is that tanks are pulling too SLOW?

that's a new one

[grim jay]

Small pulls suck for most specs

And how do you not get a restealth when it takes long enough for darkest night to drop?

[pliant remnant]

Yeh, press stealth when they wait too long between mobs

[balmy condor]

I don't think I get the problem

[grim jay]

When in doubt, I am the problem.

[ebon ingot]

im using both charges of vanish on one mob like Shindig mentioned in his videos

for master assassin

[grim jay]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

What is a shindig

And why would he be so foolish

[ebon ingot]

hes a youtuber

[pliant remnant]

What does Vanish have to do with anything though

if the tank waits "too long" between mobs

[ebon ingot]

my darkest night buff wears off after 30 seconds

[runic hinge]

There’s two shindigs not sure which one to @

[grim jay]

He seems to have no clue tho

[runic hinge]

Open with ambush

[pliant remnant]

So press stealth and open with ambush?

[grim jay]

If thats what he really said

[balmy condor]

I mean in single target I guess maybe?

but using 2 vanishes in one burst is diabolical

idk why anyone would do that

[ebon ingot]

i may have confused vanish with stealth then

[grim jay]

Unlikely

Because stealth is between packs and before the opener

You dont USE stealth

2 times on one Mob

[ebon ingot]

ok ill go through the opener again i guess

[balmy condor]

ye you just stealth between packs

ambush if you don't have darkest night

gg

[ebon ingot]

im definitely doing something wrong

[grim jay]

Please use Whispyrs wowhead guide or his Videos tho

[balmy condor]

but 30 seconds between pulls is extremely long

you get darkest night from mobs dying

so like

[ebon ingot]

ok thanks guys

[balmy condor]

the mob dying until the next mob being pulled

should be WAYYYYYYYYYY less than 30 seconds

the common complaint is that tanks are chaining the whole dungeon and people can't get a stealth off

[ebon ingot]

yeah lower keys people go bio between pulls lol

[balmy condor]

I mean it's the first time I've ever heard someone have issues with darkest night dropping between pulls I'm gonna be honest

[grim jay]

Then you just stealth and ambush

[ebon ingot]

ok thank you

that was very helpful

[balmy condor]

you're pugging with some demons

[ebon ingot]

ill be back with more mindboggling questions

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[ebon ingot]

[balmy condor]

my favorite honestly

breaks up the monotony

having to answer "hey guys what stats " 50 times in a row ain't the greatest

guy showing up with insane new problem I've never considered

that's a banger

[ebon ingot]

haha glad i could entertain

[noble garden]

Hey guys what stats

[balmy condor]

I'll fucking ban you

[grim jay]

Avoidance and leech

[jolly heath]

speed

[grim jay]

Only if you have the momentum trinket

[ebon ingot]

max haste

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

max haste for shorter gcd so you can be out of energy faster

[noble garden]

Max haste for shorter casts imo

[balmy condor]

max haste just to watch the auto attack animation get faster

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/razinon-tanner-dropshot-knife-stab-gif-18384339

[noble garden]

He dropped his 4P

[regal linden]

Have you heard about many people exploiting the Dreamsurge buff bug to do m+ dungeons?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=418842/dreamsurge-pack-hunters

This buff is stackable, and using the Hearthstone bug, each player can stack up to 10 layers and bring it into the dungeon. If all five players stand together, they can get 200% increased damage and 200% increased healing.

[balmy condor]

isn't that what the chinese groups are doing

[regal linden]

yes

[solar wyvern]

Hmmm

Seems fine

Nothing to see here

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

they've been doing it for weeks

we know

[regal linden]

[solar wyvern]

So lately I've had mobs die with my mark and I just don't get DN back

Mostly in arakara with overseers

What the heck is up with that

[balmy condor]

game works perfectly

no bugs

[solar wyvern]

Seems good

Was hoping it was a known thing you could play around but nice to know it "just happens"

[balmy condor]

yeah it's really incredible

[solar wyvern]

They're just preparing us for season 2

Yknow, not enough people playing fatebound

So we have to gamble if we get our mark

[bright tartan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[blazing pumice]

m+ is pretty cooked atm

they left the holiday buffs in too long

[jade abyss]

Cant decide what is worser for me.. tier set or the s2 dungeonpool..

[blazing pumice]

that plus the free raid buffs

[oblique wasp]

hello, can I please ask for advice - when I have Darkest Night and I need full 7p combo envenom to renew my Deathstalker Mark - and I am at 6 CP, do I mutilate for that last one or rather poisoned knife or garrote (if it doesn't mess up the more better garrote from talent)?

[flint tusk]

Just mutilate to 7cp UNLESS you're refresh garrote in it's pandemic window

[jaunty venture]

hey guys, is the fastest way to gear for m+ through siren isle WQs now?

[oblique wasp]

ok so 6CP >Mutilate (despite overcapping CPs) - 7 CP and launching next Deathstalker Mark then?

[flint tusk]

Yeh, getting the mark back up is more value than the lost cps from overcapping cps

[oblique wasp]

oka

I also looked at comparing my logs with better palyers, and I see vast difference between dmg of, like Envenom, despie almso same umber ofuses. I have something very off in my char - can I somehow use RaidBots to see which gems, enchants, Siren Gems, or crafted piece secondaries can I change for better results? Like just these movable things on my current gear.

[balmy condor]

that's what top gear is for yes

[misty holly]

How much ilevel is the queen ring effect worth?

[balmy condor]

depending on your character anywhere between 0 and 6ish

[oblique wasp]

and can I please ask how to properly use it? I mean- if I want to see full picture of all variants, can I just select everything I have there as options?

[shrewd night]

3.50

[balmy condor]

yes

for gear you just hit the little + and change it to a different version to compare

for gems/enchants you just select them

[blazing plaza]

hey. how is s2 looking for assa ?

[royal lantern]

maybe

[shrewd night]

I havent skilled up my crystal ball skill to be able to tell the future yet

Sorry

[rotund oak]

meowcrystal foggy still

[shrewd night]

meowcrystal will always be foggy

[balmy condor]

assa in s2 looks to be one of the three playable rogue specializations in world of warcraft: the war within. Its themes revolve around bleeds and poisons, with the spec having numerous interactions focused around them. It is one of many melee specializations available for players and is beloved by many!

[shrewd night]

Whispgpt classic

[misty holly]

This is good news! I was worried.

[blazing plaza]

very specific. thx :)))))))

[balmy condor]

Whispgpt comes out every time there's a chatbot level question

[shrewd night]

What lottery numbers are getting pulled next week? Ima put up some cash.

[balmy condor]

15 27 6 34 88

[shrewd night]

!

brb

[hollow river]

It’s going to be Shadowlands launch assa rogue

[balmy condor]

sepsis is back?

[hollow river]

Underperforming by 48% dps

[misty holly]

Refreshing SnD manually...

The dark days

[balmy condor]

hell yeah

maint buffs

hell yeah

[rotund oak]

sweaty pirates here how to minmax them snapshots and all

[oblique wasp]

Hello it's me again - sorry for that - I understand correctly that outside of specific situations, we always spend from 5 CP yes? I saw somewhere that it told me that 4CPs are good enough to spend

[balmy condor]

never finish on 4

always always always 5 or more

or else you won't cycle your deathstalker mark

and that's troll

[oblique wasp]

okay thank you

[rotund oak]

what boss said^^

[royal lantern]

whispgpt, what should i eat for dinner tonight

[balmy condor]

my ass

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-hungry-finding-food-dog-licking-couch-starving-gif-14558017

[oblique wasp]

I understand that we want to avoid energy waste - and when we can't shank, we can throw Poisoned Knife: do you guys use some sort of ding ding WA that starts beeping when you are full energy and not in melee range of boss of playing mechanics? if yes, would you be ok with sharing with me?

[shrewd night]

It probably exists

But on the other hand, if you spend so much time away from boss that youre capping energy...

What are you doing

[oblique wasp]

example - on Kyveza when you are almost shooting orbs, we have to stand back to avoid destroying raid

I managed ot overcome my fear of flying daggers on Kyveza, but sometimes i don't see any way 😦

[shrewd night]

Depends on how aggressive you want to play I guess. You shouldnt have time to cap if you run out and shadowstep back when dropping the projectiles.

[oblique wasp]

yeah I am kinda afraid of messing up mechanicsas that impacts the whole raid

[balmy condor]

please do not use poisoned knife

take it off your bars

[shrewd night]

tbf

It was specified when capping on energy and out of range

So its kinda fair request

[balmy condor]

there exists no situation where that should be happening consistently

[shrewd night]

What if bro just wants to be a circus artist, throwing some knives

[balmy condor]

if you have to step out of range for a mechanic you should be using your energy beforehand

and if you're going to use poisoned knife you better be capped on energy again by the time you get back to the boss

because if you're at 300 energy, use a poisoned knife, and you get back to the boss with 290 energy

you just wasted 10 energy

poisoned knife is unbelievably dogshit

[shrewd night]

Wow, you say yall have a neegative dpe spell?? Heccin rogues

[balmy condor]

as a comparison, mutilate is 111% damage without any additional talents (such as doomblade), 2 combo points with 2 chances for poison application and seal fate to grant additional combo points, for 50 energy

poisoned knife costs 40 energy, so 10 less

does 23% damage, and 1 combo point

it is

REAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY fucking bad

[shrewd night]

So what if

Right

You are on 4 cp, have to run out

Somehow cap energy

PK to get to 5? Then finisher when you return?

[balmy condor]

again, if you're capped by the time you get back to the boss, sure

[shrewd night]

How can you hate on this circus when you are the conductor??

[balmy condor]

1 extra combo point on envenom is 40% damage

so even factoring in an extra cp

it's still nearly half as efficient as a mutilate

[shrewd night]

Man

[limber lion]

What is this purple wall in here

[shrewd night]

I remember the vanish pk times of bugged deadly poison

[balmy condor]

once a month ramble about how absolutely unfathomably bad poisoned knife is

[limber lion]

Hey I did that a few days ago as well

[shrewd night]

Once a month? The last one was last night

[limber lion]

Funnily enough Shiennar was here to witness it as well

[balmy condor]

once a month from me

[golden loom]

its a pvp ability + transmog run ability and nothing else

[limber lion]

Was it yesterday?

[shrewd night]

idk man

[limber lion]

Idk man my sleep schedule's all over the place

[shrewd night]

Days are kinda blurry

[balmy condor]

y'all sleep?

[limber lion]

I slept for 3 hours last night

[winged sun]

REAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY fucking bad

[shrewd night]

Same

[winged sun]

!!!

Hello ass players

[limber lion]

Hello

[winged sun]

Man I love ass

Can’t wait to play it again

[balmy condor]

well I wasn't going to sleep but then the blocked messages showed up so I gotta skedaddle

[shrewd night]

[winged sun]

Blocked msg

[shrewd night]

Look at that, two more appeared

[limber lion]

Love it

[rotund oak]

The real question is how much you've slept

mr ''i drink monster instead of water''

[shrewd night]

Lets be honest

Water tastes like ass

[rotund oak]

yup

[limber lion]

Water is goated when exercising

But when I'm sat on my ass for 8 hours straight

Why would I waste my time with water?

[rotund oak]

coz u need to stay hydrated

[limber lion]

Got my redbull and celsius for that

'

[rotund oak]

redbull

btw whispyr should be monster sponsored

[winged sun]

Man I love water

Red Bull tastes better than monster tho

[rotund oak]

pure hotness streaming and drinking energy drink is a recipe for success

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-cat-agile-look-at-me-go-zoomies-gif-17445063

[winged sun]

Sheeesh

My guy is skateboarding

[sharp viper]

that's purrcour

educate yourself

[brave stump]

White monster is the best

what are you on about

https://tenor.com/view/monster-heart-locket-white-monster-my-beloved-gif-2752340369687742975

[jade abyss]

I disagree

[shrewd night]

Bro out here saying "you just havent tasted the right ass yet"

[jade abyss]

For me every energy taste like ass

[oblique wasp]

guys I am reading on Metehod.gg guide that second Vanish charge is go-to option now, but I see that all recommended raid builds opt for Supercharged option, Deathstalker. Also, IcyVeins has Lethality used with supercharger. On logs I see also mix of things - I ma not sure what to use, could I please ask for help?

[rotund oak]

wowhead guide

all u need

[oblique wasp]

ok

[jaunty sky]

Ultra red is up there for me too

[jade abyss]

We play second vanish in m+

Not in raid

[oblique wasp]

yes, I was looking at raid specifically, I had major trainwreck situation in our Mythic raid yesterday evening and I haven't recovered emotionally yet 😦

[balmy condor]

raid builds don't have 2 charges of vanish

idk where you were seeing a raid build with that

[midnight mist]

It's me

I play double vanish in raid

[jade abyss]

Where is your baguette?

[runic terrace]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[empty hinge]

this works tyvm Whispyr 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[teal panther]

hi guys, what is the average haste (DS assass) should have for ilvl 615-620?

[spice spire]

Above 0

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rancid summit]

Does anyone have any tips or guides on how to efficiently pool energy for longer fights? I feel like I want to envenom as much as possible since its the biggest damaging move but it's just not possible in really long fights

[solar wyvern]

In raid or m+?

[fleet patrol]

Do we still love tricks in here?

[rancid summit]

In raid

[gusty mirage]

no, I only love you and @spice surge

[solar wyvern]

You should be able to maintain 100% envenom uptime in raid just by clipping envenoms and mashing during shiv windows

Its okay to use tea liberally as well, since in execute phases you start getting more blindside procs which = more free energy

[fleet patrol]

Much appreciated though i thought our mighty leader @balmy condor was a huge fan

[solar wyvern]

Idk how long a fight you're referring to though

[rancid summit]

Like 7-10 min

[solar wyvern]

Do you mean queen?

Or court?

[rancid summit]

Yea, those and broodtwister sometimes if dps is low

[solar wyvern]

Well brood you're never running out of energy haha, adds proccing dashing on fok is infinity energy tbh

But for court you really just put rupture on both targets and fok the anytime they're stacked ontop of eachother really

Fok is good at +2targets

[rancid summit]

If adds are brought close enough to the boss yea

[balmy condor]

3+, we don’t play CT on court

[solar wyvern]

Oh yeah you're right im a dummy

No wonder my parse was so low last week lmfao

[rancid summit]

If you're 1 combo point short of max do you fok to get to max or just send it at 5 or 6?

[solar wyvern]

5+ always finisher

[balmy condor]

I’m guessing he means darkest night

[solar wyvern]

Unless DN is up

[balmy condor]

Which would be a mut

[solar wyvern]

^

[balmy condor]

Normal generator rules

[rancid summit]

Ok, that makes sense

[rancid summit]

What is dashing here?

[balmy condor]

You, king

[solar wyvern]

And as for queen, theres moments of downtime to regain energy and rupture on platforms, shouldn't ever be out

[balmy condor]

Dashing scoundrel though

The talent

Big energy

Kinda the corner stone of our energy in raids

[solar wyvern]

1 energy each time u crit with poison

[balmy condor]

Really important

[solar wyvern]

Vbig

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife made dashing go bonker bananas

Kind of a nuts talent rework honestly

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ttk really made it so you're almost never pooling haha

I've had kyveza pulls where I'm 2 teas going into execute cause I'm just never needing them outside of shiv

Its like dashing + blindside

Ezgame

[rancid summit]

Ohhh got it. That's why it's important to keep envenom up then. So you can basically keep spamming it

I probably just need to be more efficient and send it at 5+ combo points instead of maxing and also probably track deathstalker better

[solar wyvern]

Yeah, efficiency is key with this spec

Just always envenom, always be in melee range

[rancid summit]

So the energy you get from tea doesn't matter much? It's more about the mastery buff?

[solar wyvern]

Whiteswings do a lot of damage with hunt them down+poisons

It still matters, but to be optimized the mastery during shiv is good

[rancid summit]

Do you ever really tea without the shiv first?

[solar wyvern]

But if you get a bad streak of no crits on mutilate then w.e use it for energy so u can maintain envenom

[hearty reef]

Out of the blue too

[solar wyvern]

If it can be avoided kindof, but don't hold onto them forever, its no fun killing a boss with 1-2 tea charges left over

[rancid summit]

Ok, makes sense

I also see whispyr's guides on wowhead for different builds during raids. When do you use each one? Icy veins had the same build for all fights I think and it was pretty much single target

[solar wyvern]

Basically, every build uses the same raid build, with caustic spatter on any aoe (everything except sikran and kyveza). Ovinax has a little difference, dropping MA and imp garrote for improved fok and ct

[rancid summit]

I'm not seeing that on the wowhead guide

But that makes sense

[golden loom]

CT on Ovinax is only for mythic tho i'd say, the adds dont live close to long enough on heroic

[rancid summit]

Does that include improved fok?

[golden loom]

yeah just go normal build with spatter for heroic

[rancid summit]

Ok, that works

[solar wyvern]

Oh honestly good point, i am so mythic brained i didnt even consider heroic

[rancid summit]

Still a good tip

Thanks for all the help!

[proper seal]

is it just me and my overalls but isnt it better to drop kingsbane rather than sanguine blades if u want iron wire? my kb is usually around 4 - 5% overall, sb is 5 - 7%.. Maybe even droppin KB for ttk?

[golden loom]

hell no

[proper seal]

...in m+

[golden loom]

KB is a big part of your spatter

and you already have awful singletarget in M+

[spice spire]

Sb is also draining your energy in st

It’s not a raw positive

[proper seal]

im usually dead weight on st bosses in m+

[fallow canopy]

well removing KB will make you even more dead weight

[balmy condor]

What are you seeing

[rancid summit]

I'm just comparing raid vs raid - aoe. It didn't have the CT and improved fok but that may just be for mythic it seems

[balmy condor]

Yes, raid aoe just has caustic spatter

Mythic ovi’nax specifically is the only fight we take CT

[golden loom]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips if you wanna see fight specifics theres also this tab on wowhead @rancid summit

[rich parrot]

on silken it's more worthwhile to use vanish at 30 sec to garrot both bosses or save it for the boss charge ?

[weary spear]

Use it last 6 seconds of KB whenever that is

If you’re playing MA

[vestal cliff]

people whats the current circlet itemlevel you can get?

[spice spire]

549

[rotund oak]

649

[solar wyvern]

749

[spice spire]

Whatever first number

49 is the second part

[solar wyvern]

Man u ruined it

Needed someone to put 849 smhmyhead

[vestal cliff]

thanks

[dapper cradle]

679?

Fetty wap?

[fringe crater]

See more and more people taking it on queen as well

I guess it depends on how many heavy aoe classes your team has

[subtle tundra]

It's pure pad on that one

[spice surge]

No, its literally just to do padd

[thorn fjord]

Should I play sub on queen?

[subtle tundra]

No

[spice surge]

I'd recommend the very advanced strategy of

Playing whatever you enjoy the most

[royal lantern]

can you link me the current "wowhead dmg overall" bars, so i can decide what i enjoy most?

[spice spire]

Bold strat

[spice surge]

All rogue specs are fairly close on those anyway

[jade abyss]

is it me or tricks feels weird on sin ?

[proven jasper]

Feels weird?

[runic hinge]

Feels worthless tbh

But it’s good if you are helping gather with iron wire

[bright tartan]

my favourite part of tricks is that they don't prevent you from getting autoed by mobs

[jade abyss]

dont know i send tricks on the tank and then get rekt from the monsters idk

dont know if black jack would be the better choice

[proven jasper]

are you attacking to actually get tricks

Cuz u gotta attack in the 15s after u use it

[jade abyss]

i know

[midnight mist]

@subtle tundra

how do you play last boss nw as assa

[timber sage]

Do like casualaddict and swap to sub before stichflesh 4head

[midnight mist]

i know

but

we are goign to play tgp and you cant swap out

i was trying full keys as ass

and last boss in 17/18 i already cant kill my add idk what to do

[nova python]

swap to frost dk

[timber sage]

I guess u play Nelf with double vanish and avoid the exile/pray u dont get hit

[novel star]

how long does it take to max out the ring from not touching the patch yet

[spice spire]

Vanish the cast every time it targets you ig

[novel star]

an hour?

[spice spire]

About yeah

Catch up is pretty free

[novel star]

k

might :LOGIN: today

cause i love this game so much

[late gulch]

is there any wa that tracks how many targets i have my dots up on?

[novel star]

like for scent of blood? whispyr and lisonnas packs do it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

not sure about as a standalone thing

but you could prolly just take whispyrs and rip it out

[subtle tundra]

errrrr

you wyrmstone

and then make sure have vanish for when you go down

so you can kill it fast

youre welcome

anymore and you need to get the coaching package

[proven jasper]

[spice surge]

Sub genuinely does like 50%+ more damage to that boss than assa does

[proven jasper]

stitchflesh as sub is peak

[midnight mist]

it has about 50% chacne of retargetting you btw

[midnight mist]

mf

[spice spire]

Good thing we have two of them

[midnight mist]

thats not how probabilities works bozo

[spice spire]

Oh nvm ur playing with an Aug

[midnight mist]

yes

[subtle tundra]

yes it never goes on aug!

[midnight mist]

sometimes it does

[subtle tundra]

also ive done vanish and it always went on shaman

[spice spire]

Vanish the dude downstairs for sure then

[vital haven]

are you applying the mark to the add

[subtle tundra]

at the start it doesnt

[midnight mist]

but i think its when everyone is down or smth id k

[midnight mist]

i tried ye

but even then

idk

[vital haven]

monka

[midnight mist]

without sending kb on it

[subtle tundra]

vanish it blud

like vanish

the add

[midnight mist]

ye i heard you

i had no vanish cause i did on my cds on pull

do you just never vanish the cds

[subtle tundra]

then dont

[midnight mist]

and keep for add

okok

ty for expertise vara

big coach

how much do i owe you

[vital haven]

wait wdym vanish the add

[midnight mist]

click vanish

on add

[subtle tundra]

vanish for damage on add

[proven jasper]

If you vanish add it snaps upstairs

[midnight mist]

[proven jasper]

or is that the tricks thing

[subtle tundra]

i vanish before i engage with him

idk

vanish ambush garrote rupture

[proven jasper]

I think thats the tricks thing im dumb

[midnight mist]

even with tricks

[vital haven]

idk man that add even literally cant touch you iirc

[midnight mist]

it doesnt snap cuh

it just bugs out

[vital haven]

you are a squishy fucking melee

and the add fucking slaps

[spice surge]

Are you not allowed to swap spec in TGP

[midnight mist]

you cant go out no

or so i was told

[proven jasper]

U sure?

[spice surge]

Rip assa

[proven jasper]

Ive had it happen on sub a few times

Oh yeah it does bug out

Yeah u right cuh

[midnight mist]

i know im right cuh

[proven jasper]

cuh

[midnight mist]

so many time i had tricks trickz

[spice spire]

Use ur defensives

[midnight mist]

and it just bugged out

before i learned

[proven jasper]

i havent played in 2 months gimme a breakkkk

[spice spire]

🙂

[midnight mist]

bozo

[proven jasper]

yeah ive died to that exact thing

[midnight mist]

evasion isnt long enough

[proven jasper]

Just kidney bro!

[midnight mist]

i need a 1min long evasion if i wanna 1v1 that add without cds

no cap

[proven jasper]

Cheap shot!

[spice spire]

Mf do you not have a 7s stun too damn get off my dick you French outlaw OTP

You got options

[proven jasper]

[midnight mist]

well the options are vanish

[spice spire]

Plus cloak

[midnight mist]

kidney and defs are useless

i dont even kill it in time

[spice spire]

Kb it

[proven jasper]

Run Mandate cuh

[midnight mist]

ye

[spice surge]

Full sub key i guess

[spice spire]

Unironically mandate would kinda be juice

[proven jasper]

no cap

[vital haven]

im surprised it has that much health granted ive only done 16

[runic hinge]

play outlaw

[proven jasper]

[vital haven]

and sending KB on it... lol

sin already struggles on ST

[rancid summit]

If a night elf rogue shadowmelds can they then reapply deathstalkers mark or improved garrote? Or does it not trigger any stealth specific abilities?

[hollow river]

meld on it's own does not

[spice spire]

Does not trigger

You have to stealth during meld

[hollow river]

you have to meld->stealth

[spice spire]

Can’t do that during boss

Only during trash

[hollow river]

[rancid summit]

So why do i keep seeing that night elf is the best rogue race due to shadowmeld?

[golden loom]

human is better

looks cooler

[rancid summit]

But from a min/max standpoint?

[hollow river]

people like to say words

[golden loom]

does not matter

[rancid summit]

Ok, that's good to know. Thanks

[hollow river]

meld->stealth can work in m+

but it's kinda finnicky

[rancid summit]

Yea, I guess that's the main reason which isn't nothing

[hollow river]

a lot of high level m+ers also just play orc or dwarf or w/e they like

[timber sage]

Allows you to dodge some mechanics too, but as they mentionned its not the only good option

[spice surge]

Its just very varied how good it is, some season its really good

Some (like this one) it does very little

[midnight mist]

i mean

you know that outlaw is like

the best spec on this boss

you never go down

you just grapple

[timber sage]

I wonder if they have any intention of changing something about the slow pace of sin ST because of energy regen, its def the worst part of the spec imo

[proven jasper]

believe that is intentional to sin’s playstyle

its supposed to be slow outside of cd’s in ST

[spice surge]

Theyre deliberately making it slow

So no

[subtle tundra]

theres plenty of other adhd fill in every global specs

[proven jasper]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[marble hemlock]

wish theyd make it slower again

[spice spire]

I bet you would you old mf

[radiant raven]

Increase the GCD by a second.

[timber sage]

kek

[runic hinge]

the only time i wish for a lower gcd is lust other than that i think the spec is great

[marsh raven]

!WA

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[timber sage]

I think sin is super fun but out of everything from the spec doing ST boss fights in M+ feels horrible

[runic hinge]

Yeah and then the boss dies and you blast every pack regardless of cds so it kinda balances out for me

[timber sage]

For sure

[runic hinge]

Depends on how long

I wouldn’t hold kb for 40 seconds

I’d hold dm for kb for 20 on the next one

[grim jay]

Idk m+ ST doesnt "feel" much different than raid ST to me

[timber sage]

Its not, just slow compared to other classes. When I play warrior or dk I almost never have nothing to press, sin ST low energy makes u wait

[grim jay]

Yeah arms was goated aswell when it was slow

Now its just fury 2.0

Unholy is decent in speed

[gilded belfry]

anyone know how to make just the deathmark debuff larger in plater? or is there a WA that would do something simillar for when I come back after spinning the plates for bleeds?

[grim jay]

Whispyrs plater has a color script that changes the color of the bar

[gilded belfry]

yeah, but I have a profile that Im like and am used to. not sure how to lift out just that element. good idea though!@

[runic hinge]

You can probably ping Whispyr at some point when he’s around to see if he can tell you how to put the script in yours

[cloud pike]

Am I tripping or do you really not need Slice and Dice on your bars anymore? It's basically fully automatic right now?

[spice surge]

You do not need it no

Envenom applies it

[cloud pike]

That's actually so cool

So it basically got the Rune of Power treatment

W blizzard

[final dawn]

what do you think is the hardest m+ key on 14 with randoms?

[spice surge]

Statistically its grimba

But NW is annoying too

[coral ibex]

i was going to say wake or gb because those are the worst for me at 12 and it should just scale up

[final dawn]

Where do i find such a statistic? Had a glance on raider.io and overlooked it probably

Wake felt so easy for me on 12 & 13

[strange sleet]

I don't do 14's, but Grimbatol for sure. Every pull is kinda hard. CoT and Siege are pretty hard too

[spice surge]

You can look at numbers of completed keyss

[slate crown]

Ptr starting tomorrowwww

[proven jasper]

[dapper cradle]

!pooping

[runic hinge]

[dapper cradle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[dapper cradle]

is this saying that tea/shiv macro is optimal? huh?

[spice spire]

ty wowhead lisonna (I have all wh muted)

[spice spire]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

you pumped for the huge rogue rework?

[proven jasper]

🤣

[runic hinge]

It’s within .2 so I’d say that’s pretty optimal

[dapper cradle]

what's so funny?

[spice spire]

I’m always pumped pal (creatine)

[dapper cradle]

blizzard is totally cooking

[proven jasper]

they dont even know this class exists half the time dawg

[spice spire]

Don’t take somnius srsly

[dapper cradle]

hella toxic bro please don't deny my truth

[runic hinge]

This you?

[proven jasper]

[dapper cradle]

yeah it's called a typo

[proven jasper]

Sure sure

[runic hinge]

Sure sure

[coral ibex]

still no rogue changes posted right?

[runic hinge]

Blind doesn’t break instantly wdym

[coral ibex]

oh fuck you're right dude

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

BOOM patch already

[slate crown]

Np np glad to be of service

[spice spire]

You’re always a massive help homie appreciate you

[storm blaze]

hiii, what is the oppener

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

Attaining a rating of 2850 Lindormi will offer players a quest that prevents keystones level 12 and above from being reduced below level 12 for the remainder of the season.

im bored playing 12s as it is,blizzard being irelevant once more

[solar wyvern]

Lowkey should have been 2750 and 10s. So people can have a bit of something to work towards and also not worry about their weekly 10 being a 9

And then make one for 3150-3250 that gives tmog or smthn

[coral ibex]

bro who is depleting a 10 anyway

[runic hinge]

90% of people tbh

I get we’re all big pumpers in here but only caring about the few is how you lose players

People lose interest when they don’t feel their goals are attainable

[rotund oak]

its just not rly interesting to do

i value more my time now than waiting 4 hours just to deplete keys

[silver umbra]

i was helping out a pug do a 8 and saw a tank deplete it

the tank kited the big spider INTO the small spiders

[wraith marsh]

!weakaura

ah what's the bot command?

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

@wraith marsh

[wraith marsh]

thanks friend!

[limber lion]

NP

[foggy thicket]

does the cheath death procs at kyveza? or should I go with elusiveness?

[drifting cloud]

well it might proc, but you will still die from reaper

so its basically useless

[spice surge]

The reaper proc is delayed

So its fine most of the time

But elusiveness is strong on that fight

[drifting cloud]

youd need to pot/hs or get lucky with heal right after proc or what?

not sure how big the delay is

[spice surge]

You generally just get passive healed up

[craggy basin]

i asked before but i dont remember getting an answer. need to get a better plater profile. i see the two listed, is there a preferred one? too much clutter atm with base version

[strange maple]

any specify dungeon or key level i would want elusiveness over cheat death ?

[balmy condor]

every dungeon if you're confortable

[balmy condor]

just visual preference

[strange maple]

cool i should start practising that then ❤️

[craggy basin]

thanks for the info!

so recently swapped back to sin. read the wowhead. two questions which might of been answered and i just over looked it. 1- are we still doing normal pooling for energy? 2- are we trying to do our best to maintain 2 stacks of envenom, or is that just for spamming during KB window

[balmy condor]

pooling is basically dead with ttk

you can freely spam it out

you'll always have a tea charge for kingsbane and that's good enough

[hallow pelican]

if Only Blizz understood this and stopped creating their season dungeon list based on their dungeon tourny plans. 2 seasons of dogshit dungeons because of their tourny plans. Im not bothering with M+ this entire xpac most likely because of it.

[spice surge]

Seems like people hate any dungeon they put out

[runic hinge]

The gulf of rewards between title and portals is also off putting for a lot of mid-core players for sure. And they continually make dungeons less pug friendly by adding mountains of mechanics to trash

[hallow pelican]

The Cheat Death procs are essentially useless since she'll recast the killshot almost immediately

[spice surge]

To me the only real stinker this season is necrotic wake

[balmy condor]

maybe people hate every dungeon they put out because m+ is trash as a whole

[hallow pelican]

Grim Batol is shit too. There's a fucking reason it's nicknamed grim butthole, and its not because the name is clever. Season 2 doesnt look much better. Theatre of Pain, Motherlode, Mechagon Workshop?! These are some of the worst options from each expansion... and their current dungeon design is clearly focused on making them usable for their tournaments. The system is shit and thats why no one plays them. Just look at the % of players who even fucking bother with shit above a +5. The juice isnt worth the squeeze hermano

[spice surge]

Its not "clearly focused on tournaments"

But ok

[hallow pelican]

Right... Darkwing Cleft is revolutionary and clever gameplay

[runic hinge]

The darkness mechanic is new tho. Idk why them trying new things in bad or for tournaments.

[hallow pelican]

I'll bet you 3 years subscription you'll never see shrine of the storm or Temple of Sethraliss in the M+ rotation ever again. Theyre too fucking long

[runic hinge]

I think the overload of mechanics in regular trash and general tanking and healer ping pong they do is rough on the general player base tho.

[hallow pelican]

or tol dagor ... because its too fucking buggy