assassination

[dawn heath]

i'm still playing double vanish when i go subterfuge i'm only playing subterfuge in a few keys but to me it feels weird to play MA with 1x vanish and take lehtality instead

also double vanish in arakara can be pretty solid due to chaining constantly

[midnight mist]

i dont like ara

i just get fucked over depending on rng

like you see second miniboss

if he spanws the 2 last little shitters

i cant get restealth gg

[dawn heath]

ye well

[midnight mist]

shit spec no cap

[dawn heath]

u tell your premade to

your enha and aug

to swap to them insta when they spawn

and tank sets up pull

[midnight mist]

ye thats not worth it cuh

[dawn heath]

they're not losing any time cause we're waiting for him to do the pull anyway

if they insta targe swap when they spawn

its fine

[midnight mist]

idk we arent waiting anything

[dawn heath]

but then again if u have vanish u can just ignore that

[midnight mist]

we just run next pack its insta pulled

[dawn heath]

should me nelf

be

[midnight mist]

its fine

[dawn heath]

in some keys its really goated

[midnight mist]

i just decided i hate ara kara

all is good

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jq01hmjnHT8cIx0ih?invite=cr-MSxxOGosMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[midnight mist]

meld so op wtf nerf

[dawn heath]

wtf nerff

[spice surge]

Mist is stinky too

[midnight mist]

tbf

[dawn heath]

worst duengon by far is necrotic wake

[midnight mist]

every dungeon is stinky

[dawn heath]

then its city

[midnight mist]

when you play assa

no cap

[spice surge]

Dawn is nice

[dawn heath]

dawn is my favorite duengon too

[midnight mist]

dawn is so boring

slow ass dungeon

0 momentum

[spice surge]

Mark on last boss is stinky sure

[midnight mist]

dungeon for grandmothers

sv is a real dungeon

for gamer

[dawn heath]

i like siege

[midnight mist]

perma pulling

fuck siege

terrible ass

[dawn heath]

na its good

[midnight mist]

i play siege as outralw now

i gave up

im too bad as assa to play it in that dungeon

[willow eagle]

Siege is nice until the banana section

[midnight mist]

not good enough of an assa key

[dawn heath]

this pull

is really nice

[midnight mist]

we not doing it

[dawn heath]

very easy pull

you sit on horse

enha on boss

[midnight mist]

very easy to not do it ye

[dawn heath]

its like

a minute time gain

then you

[midnight mist]

or just play outalw

free timer

no cap

[dawn heath]

during intermission

you kill the

spotter

put pack on spotter

[midnight mist]

idk we have like

r4 time in our 18 ignoring the cringe chinese runs

just pressing w

because outlaw better no cap

holy shit there is a lot of chinese runs now

maybe blizzard wakes up in 2 months or so

[dawn heath]

outlul

[jolly heath]

Can we check which run people used garrison buff in logs?

[dawn heath]

whats your overall in that key

[midnight mist]

not really unless they log

but

its basically every chinese run on the leaderboard rn

[dawn heath]

this was our 17

3minutes left

its kinda hard to catch up to the shaman when they do 400mil the first pull

and u dont even have time to get your bleeds up

[midnight mist]

my sham is a bit of a noob tho he is new

[dawn heath]

your pala owned wtf

1.5mil

[midnight mist]

ye its mostly pad tho

he plays a lot of damage on whatever aoe talents

that no one plays with

and some packs he just insta melt all little ones

[dawn heath]

whys your aug and pala doing so much more dps

[midnight mist]

also

he mega popped off

look one sec

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxVMNOy-80l2MNqx3s1Ouj0nvTywYNSiBN?si=r3dJrQOIklHn5-8a

check his damage this pull

[dawn heath]

bro's been pooling his wings for the previous pull to pad

[midnight mist]

ye no idea what happened this pull

isnt like that usually

but he popped off

big big

[dawn heath]

idk

todays session was absolutely demonic

and our tank is giga busy

we get to play like 5 keys per week

then its gg

we bricked city to a avenging shield on the scarab mini boss

[midnight mist]

skill issue

[dawn heath]

that pulled the second one

[dawn heath]

see this avenger shield wasnt very smart

[midnight mist]

ye

our pal knows not to do that

he did it once

[dawn heath]

9minutes

i mean we should have had this time forever ago

but we havent been in here for like 5 weeks

timer was fine

probalby 2:30 minutes ahead of timer

oh u did it on 18 sick

u have ur overall dam from this key?

[midnight mist]

but details is a bit fucked on this key

cause im perma hitting neutral mobs

in second area

to reset all my cds and shit

in between adds

[dawn heath]

ah right

it doesnt change much but lowers abit

[spice surge]

What do you think about this one @midnight mist

[midnight mist]

well it lowers it a lot

[spice surge]

Very enjoyable

[midnight mist]

oh we got that once also

idk why it happens

funny

[dawn heath]

skill issue

[midnight mist]

actual skill issue tho

[spice surge]

Ye mb shouldve watched the orb animation since the cast was hidden behind the other cast

[midnight mist]

[dawn heath]

if u have vod how much dps did u have after third boss

[midnight mist]

you mean like

how much was i at the end

of third boss

[dawn heath]

after u killed it

i wanna compare cause thats where we bricked

[midnight mist]

oh wait thats after the stomper

[dawn heath]

y check before that guy

we dont even paly him

in our route

[midnight mist]

i meant the big stomper

mini boss

[dawn heath]

ah

ok

[midnight mist]

but same shit before anyway

[dawn heath]

ye looks reasonable

i mean pretty compareable

[midnight mist]

ye idk

[dawn heath]

u guys have done more damage cause its a key level higher

total damage done

[midnight mist]

we do lose a lot cause of the little shitters in second area so

[dawn heath]

i mean they do it too

pala and enha are farming

im spamming the knife throw thing

before second boss

[midnight mist]

ye but im doing it always lol

in between every mob

basically

we are perma combat

from second boss

from first sorry

to second

[dawn heath]

but u need to travel

between the mobs

[midnight mist]

no i dont

cause im outlaw

and im perma sprint

• perma 4 grapple

[dawn heath]

but even then

[rigid yew]

hey all! im new here im in a mythic raiding guild but i want to improve, is there any videos with voice over of raid bosses/ thought processes while making decisions? watching someone attack a raiding dummmyyy isnt going to teach me anything more

[dawn heath]

u sure ur dps goes down by hitting them im watching our shaman and paly hit them bvefore secnod boss and their overall doesnt go down for some reaosn

[midnight mist]

well after killing the last miniboss

engaging second boss

[dawn heath]

maybe im out of range

[midnight mist]

possibly

[dawn heath]

how is outlul damage on 2nd boss

[midnight mist]

i think assa is better im not sure

[dawn heath]

i dont really play it perfect but

[dawn heath]

i'll do somewhere between 1.9 and 2.3mil

depending on rng

[midnight mist]

i had shit rng that one tho

bue ye

[midnight mist]

guess its the same

i do much more on third one tho

[dawn heath]

ye

whats your kill time on third

we even had a death on our shaman there

so ours was demonic

[midnight mist]

3:10

[dawn heath]

ye

ours was 3:44

if we didnt have the death it would probably be 3:30 but

then again

if it was 18 it would be like 3:55 again

u prolly stomp first boss too

assa 1.3

no scarabs

[midnight mist]

1.6

[dawn heath]

u probably gain like

30s on boss 1 and 3

its kinda similar on 2 and 4 i think

[midnight mist]

i mean im ngl

i dont think outlaw is better

my outlaw is prolly better than my assa tho

in that key

idk its hard to say

[dawn heath]

outlaw way tankier too

assa can struggle to live 2nd and 4th

[midnight mist]

ye

for these type of things

outlaw way tankier

[dawn heath]

COT is probably the only key i feel like i can die in

idk

i feel like we will get hard stuck soon

maybe at like 3560 score or something

we're all rerollers

[midnight mist]

👇

wrong one

[dawn heath]

hard to play at a super high level on a new class

[midnight mist]

our shaman is 2 weeks old

he was our tank before

[dawn heath]

oh really lmao

nice

[midnight mist]

ye he is doing good

for his time

[dawn heath]

ye idk

i played rogue first time in this expansion

never played before

but i have some hours on assa

but i still think it can be challenging to play at times

in raids its so fucking easy its disgusting

[midnight mist]

sin in raid is legit the easiest spec in the game

[coral ibex]

🗣️

[spice surge]

I want to play sub in keys but its a bit too sus

Damage just aint there compared to assa

[midnight mist]

Im sure you can play it in some keys

outlaw is like

[spice surge]

Ye i can

[midnight mist]

mega sus

[spice surge]

But like why

[midnight mist]

and i think i hold myself in cot and siege

[spice surge]

If youd pull around sub it would do pretty well

[midnight mist]

convince yourself assa sucks too much in st

[spice surge]

But then youre not pulling around enhance

[midnight mist]

thats what i did

[spice surge]

Which is doing more damage during cds than you are

And more outside of cds

[midnight mist]

ye well

thats how it goes

[spice surge]

90s cds cursed

Biggest problem with playing sub is the last straggler mob just takes too long to die

Like if one mob is left with 15m

Sub is gonna do like 100k dps on that dude

And it takes forever

[dawn heath]

do u play casuals build when u play sin

[midnight mist]

you always need an outlaw in your key

[dawn heath]

that one atleast does alittle less shit st

[midnight mist]

me i dont

[spice surge]

Unironically sub probably way better without aug

[dawn heath]

i play it

[midnight mist]

I get why he plays it but idk

[dawn heath]

in most keys

[midnight mist]

i might start doing it

tho

if i play sin again in like siege and city

i will do that

[dawn heath]

so u play subterfuge in like ara, sv, gb

necrotic

then

other duengons u play lethality supercharger

mist/dawn/siege/cot

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw too much for me

[dawn heath]

casual built diff tho on sin

not really sure what bro is cooking

[spice surge]

Idk seemed pretty much the same either way

[dawn heath]

but dps is nuts

like ive watched his vods

i tried to copy what he does global for global

still wont produce even close to the same dps

the amount of dps he does in the last area of mist is crazy

so this is after mistcaller dies

for them

so okay not too far off

then somehow

he gains 500k dps

after mistcaller

when i maintain my dps

[midnight mist]

you alwys do more dps in higher keys tho

[dawn heath]

na but like

[midnight mist]

its just how it works

[dawn heath]

this difference

is reasonable

im doing 100k less

[midnight mist]

you cant compare a 17 to like a 19

I mean maybe idk

just saying

higher you go

[dawn heath]

well ye i know

[midnight mist]

the more you do

[dawn heath]

but also i can see that

we did similar damage in the maze

and up to that point

[sharp viper]

Such wisdom

[midnight mist]

well maze dps is kinda mega rng tho

[dawn heath]

then somehow he gaps me by a gazzilion damage

in the end

[midnight mist]

you can get full 5 targets packs

or 2 minibosses

or only 4 target shitters packs

its like the worse key to compare

[hallow pelican]

its too bad details doesnt count OVERdps like it does overhealing.

[midnight mist]

wtf is overdps

[dawn heath]

what you get in the maze isnt that super impactful honestly

[midnight mist]

i mena

[hallow pelican]

doing 2 million dmg to something with 1 hp

[midnight mist]

i have had mazes where im sending 2 mins on minibosses back to back

[dawn heath]

ye

thats fine

[midnight mist]

while others im just sending on cds on 5 targets packs

maze kinda impact your dps lol

maze is weird

i wouldnt look at mist that much idk

[dawn heath]

if u send your 2minutes on a 4pack its likely ur shaman will have cds too and he will do 15mil dps anyway

[coral ibex]

i hate maze!

[dawn heath]

and ur cds will do fuck all

[midnight mist]

we often end up desyncing in mist

i think its worth it most often

cause as you said

[coral ibex]

i feel like i lose 1 DM and 1 KB usage in the mist every time bc of weird pack timings

[midnight mist]

double cds are often wasted

[coral ibex]

prob a skill issue

[midnight mist]

on these packs

[coral ibex]

still dont like it

[hallow pelican]

taron edgerton and jamie foxx in a robin hood remake ... who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

[dawn heath]

it def feels that way but u always get your cds off in the maze

but somehow they just dont do any damage if u compare it to the shaman

its noit like they time out before the mobs die

[midnight mist]

no but

4 targets

assa

vs 4 targets shaman

if i talk

assa can compete in huge pulls

like nw first pack

or sv

[dawn heath]

u know in stonevault

[midnight mist]

but not on these type of packs

[dawn heath]

the best pull are the big pulls when shaman has no cds

this pull is giga nice on assa

perfect damage profile

i gain like 250 million damage on the shaman on this pull

[split grail]

I promised my raid team 20k each if we killed Kyveza within the first 10 pulls. Now I'm out 380k

[slate crown]

good problem to have

[split grail]

183 total pulls.

[stark scroll]

!kick

anyone have macro for kick current target unless you have focus

!macro

[coral ibex]

/cast [@focus,exists][] Kick

[balmy condor]

yeh, that

very simple macro

would suggest looking up macro guides, there's plenty from the last 15 years

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jq2dgVdqL29XFg6kE?invite=cr-MSxDV2ssMTcyMzI0NTA1LA i really wonder what broke stealth here

these kind of things are so infuriating

[stark scroll]

thanks

[dawn heath]

is it cause shroud ended?

and they're in combat?

so it takes me oujt?

or something

id

k

[balmy condor]

do you log your runs

[proven jasper]

Ring proc?

maybe

Idk

[runic hinge]

Something to do with shroud it looks like

[proven jasper]

right as the stealth drops his details goes up and he still aint in range

[runic hinge]

If he had subterfuge it wouldn’t be a problem

[balmy condor]

I think I found it

ya ok gcds are the same

23985 damage from serrated bone spike on drust soulcleaver 4

[proven jasper]

[balmy condor]

yeh this bone spike was ticking on this guy

for 24 minutes

lmao

[drifting anchor]

any good tips out there to help single target dmg? or are sin rogues just that bad at st?

[runic hinge]

In m+ assa very not great

Raid is fine tho

[balmy condor]

@dawn heath did you record the entire run

[dawn heath]

did u find the log we didnt even complete the run

[balmy condor]

yes

[dawn heath]

we were so good on time then almost +2 timer then we wiped to double staghorn pack lol

serrated bonespike oh

hm

thats cringe

i guess it stays forever

i keep bleeding it

for more damage

[balmy condor]

yah

[dawn heath]

in maze and on mistcaller

[balmy condor]

it's the soulcleaver from the first area with the mushrooms

[dawn heath]

yy

[balmy condor]

where you pulled the boughbreakers into the alcove

[dawn heath]

i'm suprsied this doesnt break my stealth more often then

if it works like that

[mild wyvern]

how should i use master assassin always played ironwire

[runic hinge]

You could play both

[mild wyvern]

i guess but idk what i would drop

[runic hinge]

Sanguine

[bright cipher]

So i see you guys already found the reason why that happened but let me share also a unfortunate bit

Ring can be very dangerous at times

Not only can Roaring War-queen proc form legendary skipper (making the gem of the other 4 members proc thunder citrine) but there is a citrine who deal damage and chains on targets who i have seen aggroing packs in a very undesirable way

[blazing pumice]

drop sudden demise/sanguine/sbs

take your pick

[rotund idol]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

completely normal,nothing's wrong here

[stiff surge]

is it a bug that master ass buff doesnt reset if you vanish while you the first one is falling off?

[full path]

Hi, which built do you prefer for M+ 14/15, Subterfuge and double Vanish or Lethality and Supercharger? And what are your thoughts about Sudden Demise on this key lvl?

[hollow river]

think so

[blazing pumice]

play whichever you prefer

supercharger is worse in aoe

[keen mantle]

I always feint splices to start with (prefeint) , then on the big hits on roots I rotate cloak with feint-vanish so I don’t get rooted and evasion is a filler kinda when I feel like it’s rough or when healer is having rough time.

[solid venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[snow quest]

Is it known how sudden demise execute interacts with things crit buffs like MA/MoD?

[balmy condor]

it estimates it as an average

[rotund oak]

average as in average crit chance?

😕

[snow quest]

Thanks 🙏

[rotund oak]

what does it mean by average

[balmy condor]

average as in if you have 25% crit chance, sudden demise will factor in that you're critting 25% of your remaining bleed damage

it's basically just a multiplier

[rotund oak]

ah ic cool cool thx

[snow quest]

And crit damage would also be taken into account that way

[balmy condor]

25% crit = 1.25x the damage on rupture for example

crit is very easy math luckily

I think it snapshots haste on sudden demise trigger

but don't quote me on it

anything haste is always messy

[rotund oak]

is it only me or we all getting poe vibes

[balmy condor]

only you

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

if you're getting poe vibes because I multiplied a number

you are brainrotted

it's legit just arithmetic

[rotund oak]

too much sugar these days,prolly i am

yup

[rotund oak]

this is very interesting though

[balmy condor]

is it

[proven hornet]

I see many assa rogues dipping between 4-7% haste, is there a minimum for it or just sim and simple as that?

[balmy condor]

sim yep

[snow quest]

Can't understand why anyone would ever play ftb if MoD works on sudden demise tbh

[proven hornet]

Ty

[balmy condor]

I can't understand why anyone would ever play ftb if mod works on sudden demise tbh

fixed that for you

[snow quest]

Ty ty

[balmy condor]

ftb is just strictly worse in every situation compared to mod

I saw some chinese m+ rogue running ftb and I gagged violently

I have no idea what they're thinking

[snow quest]

Maybe that MoD didn't work on SD hehe

Who knows, I saw them too and wondered

[balmy condor]

I mean sure but sims don't account for the execute and mod still blows ftb out of the water

it's like easily over 1% better

[snow quest]

Yep

[balmy condor]

they do the same thing, mod just does that thing better cause it also gives you more combo points

insane choice node

very cool

[rotund oak]

yup reminds me the bfa snapshot tech with the crazy haste

or am i brainrotting again

[snow quest]

Extremely boring choice yeah

[balmy condor]

brainrotting

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

you have 2 choices:
A) CT damage and nothing
B) More CT damage and also fok crit chance

choose carefully

[snow quest]

A must be best surely

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

it says ability dam +30%

30% is a number that I recognize to be large

must be good

monkey see pattern, neuron activated

[snow quest]

I'm also not sure I understand casuals build. Maybe if he feels he needs to use vanish for util too much or something

[solar wyvern]

What is casual playing now? He kinda mixes it up here and there doesn't he?

[snow quest]

Dropped MA and subterfuge

[solar wyvern]

I saw forced induction + dashing, 2x lethal and super + dashing or SD

[rotund oak]

thats more ST

[solar wyvern]

He plays subt and WaT as well

It depends on key

[snow quest]

Very slightly more st I'd say

[solar wyvern]

Nah significantly more

Well

"significantly" for sin

[rotund oak]

FI is like 4-5% more isnt it

[snow quest]

I think it only makes sense if you don't vanish during deathmark anyway

But I haven't really tried it myself

[solar wyvern]

You usually have a vanish or 2 during boss due to the length in higher keys.

[rotund oak]

yup most time u spend in boss fights anyway

since both fort and tyr are present

[solar wyvern]

Yeah you usually line your cds up. Vanish utility is actually pretty sparse in this season.

Unless you're playing wire ofc

I've been playing quite a bit of forced induction, lethalityx2 and subt and I think i prefer lethalityx2 the most

The increased boss damage is great, and not much overall loss compared to FI

Still would run subt MA in NW, sv, gb tho. But I'm just stuck in 3340io trying to do 16s/17s

Hard to pug at this range 😦

[humble verge]

feint-vanish? damn never thought about that ngl

so you pre-vanish the web/root i assume, damn thats not that bad of an idea

thanks for the tips

[spice surge]

You still take damage from it

Its just to avoid the root

[solar wyvern]

No you vanish after the root occurs to break

[humble verge]

yeah that makes sense

[humble verge]

alright

[solar wyvern]

Hardest part of that is actually staying alive even with prefeint

[humble verge]

idk if its just me tho, but i feel the root hits harder than the slam aoe

[humble verge]

yeah...

[solar wyvern]

Your healer needs to be jesus

[spice surge]

Slam does more

But feint works on it

Whereas it doesnt work on weave

[rotund oak]

HOTS Hpally with BoS

[humble verge]

WHAT

man

thats fucking news to me

[solar wyvern]

Doesn't the base 20% dr from elusiveness still work though?

[spice surge]

Elusiveness always works yes

[humble verge]

yeah ok

grate

[solar wyvern]

Haha there ya go Uber

[humble verge]

no i was just curious how it wouldnt work on weave

if im already using elusive

[solar wyvern]

Yeah being the rogue on this fight is so cursed. I'm like the baby of the group. "Sac me, rescue me, PS me"

[humble verge]

unironically the worst fight in the game currently for rogues

atleast imo

[solar wyvern]

That and last boss SV

[humble verge]

what

last boss SV is fine?

ive never had any problem there ngl

[solar wyvern]

Negative uptime

[humble verge]

well

thats said and done

[spice surge]

Just assa

[humble verge]

ok mr SUB

[spice surge]

(but last boss NW is worse)

[solar wyvern]

Yeah outlaw bing chillin with perma evasion

[humble verge]

go get hit by your top

[humble verge]

ok yeah, that reminds me of when i had to kill 4 adds

on a 15

[rotund oak]

thats for CoT last boss right?

[solar wyvern]

No for SV

[humble verge]

both

in some circumstances

atleast

[solar wyvern]

You have plenty of uptime on CoT if your group is not standing in narnia

[rotund oak]

SV last boss idk,its deadboss fight,nothing to worry idk

[humble verge]

like i havent dropped my dots in either of them

^

[rotund oak]

u just walk to the portal,make it jump step back

pump

tanks do get cringy alot though

[spice surge]

DS Assa is just close to unplayable on this boss

If you dont have cleaver you'd need to hold your darkest night for shield

And you need to hold darkest night for the add

So

[rotund oak]

it gets cringy when u have to dodge the waves and singular cast goes out,we lose alot there

[spice surge]

Thats ara kara, not city

[rotund oak]

yeah i meant arakara for downtime

[solar wyvern]

Ah i was so confused haha

[rotund oak]

thats how i feel downtime

so the comparison was for that,sorry i didnt mention

[solar wyvern]

Idk just shadowstep at .5 seconds on singularity

[rotund oak]

i find myself sweating on the waves

and singularity follows up

i just press escape there

[solar wyvern]

With all the bloods and adds being fok'd CT, vanish rupture spreading its like infinity energy and boss dps

Hmm

[rotund oak]

but yeah anyway SV boss idk

[solar wyvern]

Waves idk, cloak one set, dwarf another, pct

[rotund oak]

i feel comfy

[rotund oak]

i usually clos one set of waves yeah

[solar wyvern]

What key level? In higher keys you rot really fast

[rotund oak]

11-12s currently but gonna push a bit soon,got too high ilvl for that range

[solar wyvern]

Thats why SV last boss is a pain imo, you have to move and get that debuff, or get rescued, or cloak it

You cant sit with it for a few seconds and just be healed

Its like 3million a tick

[rotund oak]

3mil is wild,its like 95% of my hp pool in 2 ticks

[solar wyvern]

Yes

And when it overlaps with the circle

You are dead.

[rotund oak]

pretty much yeah lul

[solar wyvern]

So you must have evasion and cloak saved, and you must move for the others. Just so much lost uptime

[cinder lagoon]

guys, hi. who can help with select a ring? Which ring is better?

[rotund oak]

raidbots friend

ask the robot

[rotund oak]

evasion+feint and a pot should give u another tick or two but still dead

this is cringe

[solar wyvern]

If you don't want to use raidbots (you should) then probably the vrare ring

[lyric coral]

guys vs silken court i always lose my mark how i apply it again ? and vanish on cd ):

[spice surge]

You dont

So dont lose it 🙂

[lyric coral]

so u will focus which boss ?

[split cipher]

Manage your stacks before intermissions and burn phases to transfer or play FB and ignore that noise

[grim jay]

playing fb

yeah nice one

[coral ibex]

start on anub, swap on 1st intermission, swap again on 2nd intermission

only need to move ur mark twice

[rotund oak]

solid pirate take

[grim jay]

solid "lets make people hate the game" take rather

[whole snow]

Does anyone have a mouseover macro for shadowstep

[primal smelt]

Can Google shadow step mouseover macro

Or check guides which is the same thing

[lyric coral]

how i move it please ? if i vanish and try to re apply it i can't i dose not apply

[novel arrow]

Do we know when the new wow season starts?

[arctic pilot]

Sometime between January and December

[coral ibex]

what do you mean how

you get DN and then switch targets

how did you get to mythic court prog without knowing how dsm works

[sharp viper]

simulationcraft

[lyric coral]

who said i was talking about mythic xd i was on heroic and just trying to understand the spec

[coral ibex]

it doesn't matter in heroic

and you should read some guides about how dsm works

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[humble verge]

jfc, boosting keys is so bad gold rn

[rotund oak]

farm delves

u can thank me later

also snuffin' makes alot of gold coz delve materials can be found there as well

[subtle tundra]

worst advice of 2025

delves lol!

[spice spire]

I’m about to farm your ass I s2g

[subtle tundra]

they die?

L

never gonna love a woman

MEN ONLY

[spice spire]

Dog ain’t no way

[rotund oak]

so u dont want like 30k gold for like 20-30min of ur life per week/per character?

cool

if u are lucky u could get up to 50k gold

idk how u judge it as ''worst'' ive made millions out of it

[runic hinge]

I found that last night and said I’m gonna use it first opportunity when quake horny posts and it didn’t take long

[snow quest]

Isn't the weekly delve quest per account?

[rotund oak]

now yes it is

u do 8 per week per char

u rng all materials,eveyrhting is expensive,the more tinkerboxes the better

[spice spire]

[snow quest]

Yeah I put all my undercoins into those delve bags

[rotund oak]

yeah those bags are the juice

if u got blacksmithing it gets even better

with crafts n stuff

[snow quest]

Money for nothing

[rotund oak]

yup

u can legit buy 2-3 bags outside the quest per character

[snow quest]

And chicks for free

[rotund oak]

plus the drops from the delves

yup yup

varas prolly bored to log his rogue,not to mention lvling alts or maxing out all profs 😉

[subtle tundra]

I have enchanting on 3 characters

Smh

[rotund oak]

💀

[subtle tundra]

And I had leatherworking for a while

And I just leveled a druid

[rotund oak]

u should have tailoring in 5 characters and 1 enchanter

[subtle tundra]

You're a meanie beanie

[rotund oak]

thats how u print gold

[subtle tundra]

If it has a time investment I don't care

Like your delves

[rotund oak]

bruh its 20min per week

[subtle tundra]

I can boost a 17 with team and get 500k

[rotund oak]

on a character

if u swap to sub is even faster

well ye if u can do that its cool

i cant,but im methodical and do that for months now

[subtle tundra]

Glad there's easy gold making methods

Even using my concentration every few days is too much for me

[snow quest]

I don't maintain any alta really, just do the delve weekly, maybe herb some while waiting for groups

Tokens when needed

[rotund oak]

ive got 1 gatherer druid which is maxed out KP,has the best rolled tools and does mulching

2 mages 2 rogues 1 hpally 1 hunter

those im using for printing gold

[snow quest]

But how do you have time to actually play the game?

[rotund oak]

its not that much time as u think

i dont rly pvp now,its dead this time around,my mage is done,my ponytails only does keys

so i just log 1 hour a day to see whats on the prof tables,do delves

after that if i want i can do keys

else i just chill

the most time spend was at the first month,ive farmed like mad on druid

10-12hours a day

[subtle tundra]

I wish my guild would log in for the sole purpose of boosting my druid 😔

[runic hinge]

if they truly cared, they would

[subtle tundra]

Should've lied and said I wanted to swap push characters...

[true rapids]

Anyone got any tips for parsing better on queen?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r4ThF6DN1G8xPQwR?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=94

[balmy condor]

You didn’t have your mark all of p2

:/

[subtle tundra]

[spice surge]

Thats truly

: /

[balmy condor]

Wait you’re not fucking vanishing hello

What is this burst at the end

There’s 1 shiv and no vanish and this is the burst

Brother

[royal lantern]

Good old panic cds when the Boss is dying

[balmy condor]

That’s during zold

[subtle tundra]

I don't think he needs tips

He needs a guide

[royal lantern]

bro, they killed queen

[subtle tundra]

Guys don't eat a shaworma before gym... Worst mistake of 2025

[true rapids]

im fine on other bosses just queen and twins i dont parse well

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

WAIT ITS MYTHIC

what a 13% dmg buff does to a raid

[true rapids]

when bosses arent dps checks post nerf

[subtle tundra]

Eh

[balmy condor]

Yah I mean you’re not doing any aoe at all really, p2 without mark is misery, and you fumbled your biggest deathmark window of the fight

Gonna hurt a lot

[true rapids]

im well aware i can be playing better kinda why i asked for help

[balmy condor]

It adds up

[subtle tundra]

Thats good

[true rapids]

thanks for the help though next week ill carry over mark into p2 and not flub the burst

[analog field]

hello guys, maybe not the right place to ask but.. I just reached lvl 80 and also bought all 584 ilvl items from the isle. How do i proceed from here ? is there something specific i should do ? or just join some heroic , mythic, raids randomly ?

[spice spire]

Raids, delves, and m+ are all avenues you can use to gear

[bright tartan]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[jaunty sky]

T8 bountiful delves for 603 and 616 vault, M+ and normal/HC raid once you can get invites yeah

[dawn heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDdOchBejcc

[uneven nymph]

can i just say

how dumb it is

that the ww questline requires lvl 80 to do the quests

while ure meant to be leveling to 80

😭

[balmy condor]

There’s a windwalker quest line?

[runic hinge]

the war within

aka quakes sexuality

[balmy condor]

Isn’t it normal for war within questline to be max level

[runic hinge]

idk the campaign isn't level 80 but idk what we mean by the war within questline

[bright tartan]

When there is gonna be a WAR and WITHIN part in the WAR WITHIN addon? So far we had some spider civil war and goblin gamba city.

[balmy condor]

I… what?

[spice spire]

Nah I’m pretty solidified in that one

[balmy condor]

You literally used the word war when describing what just happened

[runic hinge]

just like your dick every time whipyr calls you riley

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[bright tartan]

It’s a war within like what? A cave?

[balmy condor]

Within Azeroth yes

[spice spire]

Mf acting like if he’s 13 deep while @solid chasm is in town he’s not gonna find out why that’s the most submissive and breedable rogue NA. Don’t throw stones out of glass houses mf damn

[runic hinge]

tagging deeny in a spec channel just to defend yourself is down bad behaivor

I'll be 13 deep in your pops tonight

[spice spire]

Good he needs it

You’re also the age he goes for u old fuck

[runic hinge]

lmfao

[spice spire]

I better see Stu over there next time then or ur dead to me

[runic hinge]

Stu doesn't leave the house, he's a homebody

[spice spire]

Dead to me

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[balmy condor]

Real

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041465700994269255/1324634951785910332/IMG_7534.gif

[clear saffron]

hi guys, i'd like some tips, i played wow for like 3 months now, i'm 2700rio 635 assa rogue, and i ALWAYS struggle to keep my energy especially in m+ on bosses with no ads, is it supposed to be like that or am i just missing something?, like for example city of threads is a nightmare on 3rd boss

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[solid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-mayo-suck-dick-harold-gif-18739244

[clear saffron]

okay thanks tony and how about combo points, so if i'm out of energy i should prioritize envenom even if i have like 3 combo points? also when i have 5/6 combo points do i envenom there aswell?

[runic hinge]

Finishers are 5+ combo points always and you're just trying to play around that and darkest night

you want to build to 5+ always and then wait to envenom when the buff is gonna expire, unless you have darkest night up and you want to build to 7 and finish asap

[clear saffron]

darkest knights says maximum combo points that counts for 5 or 6 with the talent?

night*

oh okay so darkest means always go for 7 aight

[runic hinge]

yes

and do it asap instead of waiting for the envenom buff becuase you want deathstalkers mark up

[balmy condor]

Cycling deathstalkers mark very important

[clear saffron]

allright thanks a lot

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s the entire hero tree

[clear saffron]

for now i try to keep envenom garrote rupture always up, on packs crimson tempest and caustic spatter too, i try to shiv before kingsbane and always have tea proc when that happens + deathmark

also did the darkest night aswell but unconsciously AHAH, had a weakaura telling me that so that worked ig

just had big issues with energy but i guess that's the class

[balmy condor]

Yep that’s intentional

[clear saffron]

also single target with no energy do i just care more about envenom being up or do i keep garrote/rupture up on them too? what's the prio of the 3

like if i have to choose between refreshing 1 of the 3

[balmy condor]

If you ever find yourself without garrote and rupture on your primary target you made a major fuck up

Envenom is the filler

[clear saffron]

i don't run out of it but i run out of envenom

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s intentional

[clear saffron]

so i guess i should just time envenom at 0.5 from its expire

instead of spamming it

so i don't ever have to choose between what to keep up

[balmy condor]

Ye, not too important to do that

But you can if you’re sweaty

[shy axle]

the 4p bonus is unclear to me, maybe because of translation into german. What does it need to be active? When having 5 stacks of 2p, gar, rup and ct you do 10% dmg more. Does it mean just have your bleeds up (minus ct in st) and the stacks of 2p and its good?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[shy axle]

thank you

[clear saffron]

thanks for all the tips guys and so fast aswell i knew all rogues were chads

[balmy condor]

Gl

[bronze pike]

saved saved

[thorn thorn]

I require funny raid clips injected directly into my veins

[bright cipher]

Winning Streaks L @balmy condor

maybe they rework all the melees tiersets

[spice surge]

The raid is in a literal casino

The tiersets being gamba is 1000% intended

[balmy condor]

it aint' about being gamba bud

[bright cipher]

And yet, Jackpot! (RDPS mechanic) is a less RNG and better approach to proc-system than regular procs

[bright cipher]

Like, i had hopes for it at first, it could be a cool idea but terrible execution =/

[thorn thorn]

What is John Warlock doing here???

[bright cipher]

maybe 1 or 2 melee tiers have a semi-decent execution of it

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-luigi-gambling-lucky-rigged-gif-26648918

[thorn thorn]

Its about reminding themselves why rng tier sets are so dogshit

[bright cipher]

Where?!

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1319892232286900345/c84878d0ab1341d6b196fcb992ee05c9.mov?ex=677abaae&is=6779692e&hm=b2d5dc7d13377f4f70e498099380bb878072cdc5c567eca0200b930a06efee25&

[balmy condor]

I don't even think that's true either

[royal lantern]

its more like

we get the same tier effect 3x now lol

[bright cipher]

RNG can be good, it can be a way to make an effect more powerfull than it could be if guaranteed/fully controllable

[royal lantern]

atleast make something new

[thorn thorn]

Wise Warlock of Ravenholdt, who is the winner of the set bonuses

[royal lantern]

and not "stacks that give nature dmg, at max stacks more dmg" for the 40th time

[bright cipher]

No idea, but I am putting Demonology among the strongest tiers

[balmy condor]

Assa tier is just a bungled fucking disaster regardless of winning streak

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

It’s another season of mastery%

[thorn thorn]

Look on the bright side whispyr

[balmy condor]

Except this time it’s bundled with an inconsequential 4 second window

[thorn thorn]

If the tier set is shit, Assa will become less popular

[royal lantern]

the last 5 raid tiers had 3x a set effect thats just "do more dmg"

[thorn thorn]

Which means less animals playing it

[spice surge]

Subs is pretty good, besides the fact that it likely "forces" deathstalker

Which is unfortunate, but it is what it is

[balmy condor]

Sub is good

[bright cipher]

devil's advocate here, but ain't all tiersets for damage dealers just "do more damage"?

[balmy condor]

Because it’s actually in the spirit of the fucking spec

But over here we can’t think of anything other than envenom damage ++

[spice surge]

Just make the big rupture damage snapshot

What could possibly go wrong

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha kinda

but we had literally 3 tier sets in the last 5 raids that are just "your poisons/bleeds do passive more dmg"

copy pasted

its so lame lol

[thorn thorn]

Nature damage after DM

[bronze pike]

90% of gamblers quit before hitting it big

[bright cipher]

one thing i struggle about some tiersets is that [2] and [4] are disconnected, when i think tiersets should be like a "story" where [2] starts and [4] ends it

like [2] Gives X [4] X now also does Y

[spice surge]

More bleed damage instead pls (yes i know it amps bleeds too but its a fairly low number)

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s fucking worse than that, you lose winning streak on finisher to get a 4 second buff that buffs finishers. Where the fuck am I getting my combo points from Mr blizzard? I just have a pass/fail pooling check to hit, and if I have to mut 3 times and didn’t pool to 150 on a random chance to lose my streak I just don’t make use of my 4 piece?

[thorn thorn]

Like the tank sets being shit mostly

Random major defensive procs, stellar idea

[spice surge]

I assume the intent is for you to "pool" energy for your envenoms so you'll have enough to envenom > mut > mut > envenom > lose buff

But ye if you dont crit

[royal lantern]

brooooo

[spice surge]

You lose

[balmy condor]

Yeah so pooling but in the worst way possible

[royal lantern]

you forget that 1 extra deathstrike

in 3min

[thorn thorn]

Every 3 fucking minutes

Awesome

geegee blizzard op set bonus

[bright cipher]

Demo is a good exemple [2] Gives extra dredstalkers [4] Dreadstalkers perform additional casts of dreadbite; then, you have Destro [2] Proc super powerfull Channel Demonfire , [4] Oh your mastery have 100% effectiveness when [2] procs. who looks like [2] and [4] are from different tiers entirely

[royal lantern]

im gonna be honest

i dont think there is much deeper intent behind it lol

[balmy condor]

If the tier set intent is pooling then I’m honestly even more furious than I already am because blizzard needs to stop fucking dipshits about energy and either commit to assa pooling as a feature or just remove the energy bar

Stop waffling on the edge of is it worth is it not worth

Fucking pick a lane you pricks

[dapper cradle]

Double our energy

[thorn thorn]

Based Whispyr

[dapper cradle]

700 energy

[bright cipher]

make a tierset where you poison yourself!

[thorn thorn]

Eventually they will just make a KB tier

[subtle tundra]

imagine if they didnt have to random add a 7th CP

[royal lantern]

so...it forces you into m+?

[subtle tundra]

WHY THE FUCK. DID THEY ADD. A 7TH CP?

[runic hinge]

More is better

[bright cipher]

It makes you poisonous instead of venomous.

[dapper cradle]

Give sin rogue mana instead fr

[subtle tundra]

no i dont want to be poisonous..... i want to be eaten

[bright cipher]

yes its a joke

[thorn thorn]

Mfw the sin rogue calls for innervate

[hollow river]

More number more damage

[dapper cradle]

We’re gonna be crafting int daggers fr

Spymasters bis

[subtle tundra]

insert the joke

with the guy

[dapper cradle]

Zerocool?

Didn’t he craft an int dagger like week 2

[hollow river]

Garret 1 garret 2 garret 3

[balmy condor]

I just want to know what my spec is supposed to be other than envenom

[thorn thorn]

You live for Envenom

[balmy condor]

Like assa as a spec is “haha envenom brrr” but we can’t even decide what to do with the buff

That’s fucking crazy

[subtle tundra]

idk but having a 7th cp is just bad
never being able to finisher -> mutilate -> finisher
sometimes having to use 4 mutilates in a row

[balmy condor]

One of our main cooldowns has a full on poison scaling interaction

[subtle tundra]

higher max cp -> more rupture and envenom duration, less importance of them

[balmy condor]

And we don’t even bother pooling into it or anything

Our main cooldown buffs nature damage, we don’t care about envenoms we shove into it

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

Not that these would be my preferred ways to pool

I’m neutral on the how they do it

But it’s just insane to me

That the button our spec revolves around has depth that is just whatever

Dragonflight before the rework, 100% envenom, we’re begging blizzard like please why is it 100% give us something to play around envenom is just passive

[thorn thorn]

Dont hate me for this one but I couldnt resist

[balmy condor]

And we got less envenom uptime

And it still didn’t matter

[bright cipher]

i was doing that!

[balmy condor]

And then we got giga envenom buff the talent

And it still doesn’t matter

AAAAAAA

[thorn thorn]

I was faster

[upper wraith]

you guys dont have phones?

[balmy condor]

How is it possible that you could replace envenom with eviscerate and the spec would not change even a little bit

[proven jasper]

its ok next tier they delete all the bleeds from assa and its truly only envenom

[balmy condor]

Meanwhile you got fucking chimps going haha kingsbane stack weakaura brrr need to see uncontrollable number go up

[bright cipher]

But hey, there are some cool things too right?

[balmy condor]

No not really

All the cool things are things we don’t care about and don’t play around

[thorn thorn]

Kingsbane

Rip to a real one

[subtle tundra]

imagine if rupture had less duration and we had to press it more often

(remove 7th CP)

[bright cipher]

Like, if you could choose to change anything to everything, you wouldn't want to keep a single aspect of it as is?

[dapper cradle]

Imagine if they put rupture on cttc

[thorn thorn]

Easy

Delete Caustic Spatter

buff Bleeds

Thats my wish yeppers

[subtle tundra]

can i spit on your socks before you wear them?

[bright cipher]

wait, isn't caustic splatter like rly cool?

[balmy condor]

I would of course want to keep things, but things need to change to make the things I want to keep not stupid

[thorn thorn]

Fucking no

I am a certified Caustic Spatter hater

[dapper cradle]

“Spit”?

[woven shore]

Hm isnt this for most classes?

[subtle tundra]

so cool we had to get the mechanic every generic spec gets nowadays

(blade flurry)

[dapper cradle]

They really gave every rogue spec a blade flurry

Teehee

[bright cipher]

blade flurry is pretty awesome

[proven jasper]

Caustic spatter,nimble flurry, blade flurry

They shouldve just named it caustic flurry

[solar wyvern]

blade spatter

[bright cipher]

i wish affliction had caustic splatter

[woven shore]

Assa envenom
Frost lance
Fdk spamm 3 skills

[thorn thorn]

Malefic Rapture

Malefic Rapture can also die

[bright cipher]

MR is good

[woven shore]

Back in Bfa when you had this bleed out skill with Assa

[bright cipher]

i will defend it until the end of it

[woven shore]

That was some fun

[subtle tundra]

ok what if windwalker did aoe dmg on the target it used rising kick on it

[woven shore]

Exteng what?

[thorn thorn]

Are you talking about Exsanguinate

[woven shore]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

Yes it was a thing in DF

Then got yeeted at some point

[subtle tundra]

i liked exsanguinate in aoe, forcing some early rebleeding

[woven shore]

Was it too bad?

[thorn thorn]

I liked Exsanguinate in general until they made its cd weird as fuck

[subtle tundra]

it had some shitty interactions and limited design

or something

[spice surge]

I think deathmark is a cooler version of exsang

[bright cipher]

Thats fair.

[thorn thorn]

Deathmark + exsang was fun

[spice surge]

In general though i would like more bleed focus than poison and envenom focused

But thats just my opinion

[woven shore]

What i loved about Bfa raid s4 was the last 2 raid bosses

[jaunty sky]

bring back uncapped kingsbane