assassination

[grim jay]

I'm weak as shit

[radiant raven]

Mageorissues is a really good name

[balmy condor]

wait that's a dh named whatthesigma

we are cooked

[dawn seal]

My dk is called super pants

[golden loom]

it only exists for thunderfury and warglaives runs

[bright tartan]

I am my toenails

[golden loom]

was fun to level but idk DH feels weird to play

[radiant raven]

I want DH on more races.

[dawn seal]

Next season is gonna be cool

Dh races are dine

Nelfs are bad

[golden loom]

still want to find a third class I really like, rogue and fury warrior are very fun

I liked ice lance spam mage at the start of season but hardcasting stuff and my brain does not go well together

[empty hinge]

Who’s excited for fatebound in 11.1

[balmy condor]

why would we play fatebound?

[empty hinge]

Idk I just wanna be better

[golden loom]

fatebound to be better or the class? cause class is good and fatebound good in ST

[subtle tundra]

we will all be fateboud bcs of the tier set

[bright tartan]

Fate bound to the rogue dev (if they even exist)

[balmy condor]

I mean clearly they do

we just got a bunch of changes in 0.5

[bright tartan]

I think that was shaman dev

[balmy condor]

what

[subtle tundra]

whens the likeliest we get fatebound and deathstalker reworked

as in removed and added actual hero talents

im a full on hater

[balmy condor]

11.2 soonest possibility I guess

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-wolf-alpha-alpha-male-sigma-gif-7323326399948700836

[golden loom]

whats the biggest gripe you have with deathstalker? @subtle tundra

[midnight mist]

what positive does it add

other than damage

[bright tartan]

Death and stalking

[subtle tundra]

make me mutilate one more time at 6cp

i will desintegrate

i dont want to play minigames when i have to swap targets

[rare jackal]

DS assa is chill
DS sub? now thats cringe

[subtle tundra]

mark dissapearing when boss does is just wrong

[golden loom]

DS sub atleast has a very easy time getting back their mark

[midnight mist]

what is chill about it

[subtle tundra]

oh mists first boss?
sorry team i cant finish the tree off otherwise my burn phase dps will be awful

[midnight mist]

like what positive gameplay does it bring

[rare jackal]

its just a chill hero talent...

[midnight mist]

its not tho

its offensive

[subtle tundra]

dawnbreaker last boss? mark ran out from RP?

[midnight mist]

the mark is offensive and annoying

[subtle tundra]

oh i didnt hold my 2 minute cooldown for it
nice, im in the gutter

[rare jackal]

breaking up the gameplay of finisher rules is an interesting concept

DS was held back by being extremely buggy most of all

[midnight mist]

should have stayed at concept

you know what was breaking up the gameplay of finisher rules

[subtle tundra]

yesssssss 4 mutilates in a row yessssssssssss

[midnight mist]

was actually interesting

and got removed

[subtle tundra]

me?

[midnight mist]

er

[subtle tundra]

my beloved

[rare jackal]

i liked ER too

[midnight mist]

pressing a builder at max -1 cp

isnt what i would call an interesting concept

er did the same thing, of making you think about your cps a bit more

while being much more interesting and less annoying idk

i think the only hero talent that doesnt actively make the spec worse is trickster for sub

[subtle tundra]

i want some foking bleed interactions

[midnight mist]

and thats a bit debatable

[rare jackal]

huh

[subtle tundra]

not just a ermmmmmm rupture does 15% more dmg

[rare jackal]

i think trickster is cool, despite coup being a dumpsterfire

miss the triple dance opener tho

[midnight mist]

ye and trickster sub is pretty much the only hero talent is works

every ohter one actively make the spec worse to play

[rare jackal]

i can see that

[midnight mist]

I mean its hard tio not see it

[rare jackal]

a blessing in disguise for outlaw i guess

[midnight mist]

wdym

[rare jackal]

well fatebound doesnt change gameplay at all

[midnight mist]

it does

[rare jackal]

oh?

[subtle tundra]

also i want a hero talent that has assa fantasy

[golden loom]

idk idm either hero talent in raid, and I don't do any m+ at all pretty much except a weekly so maybe I have missed most of the issues

will take your words for it tho

[midnight mist]

I need a macro that does a cancel aura stealth adr to proc my coins on the opener, i cant adr from stealth anymore or i will break stealth cause it sends a coin, i need to be chaining pulls for my tank to keep up the capstone, i have to watch my logs have 5% uptime on the capstone and cringe

[rare jackal]

ok, now this is epic

[subtle tundra]

oh yeah thanks for the reminder why i hate fatebound

[rare jackal]

i wasnt aware, havent looked at outlaw since release

[subtle tundra]

capstone needs a redesign

atleast

[midnight mist]

and i wont be talking about trickster

i think that one is obvious enough

positive of fatebound talent:

i do more damage

[subtle tundra]

also fatebound has no defensive value while deathstalker has a really good talent

[midnight mist]

yep

the damage of fatebound is actually the only piositive

there is nothing else

you could have argued double grapple was cool before

but now we have double grapple baseline

[grim jay]

dang did we go full circle

[midnight mist]

so its useless

[grim jay]

and are back to hating on hero talents

[subtle tundra]

every once in a while, we have to

[rare jackal]

pros and cons for DS sub:

more ST
might kill myself irl when you get bad RNG
Trickster sub
more fun
might kill myself ingame with coup dash

[jaunty sky]

we got quad grapple what else do you need

[subtle tundra]

otherwise blizz might think we like them

when we just coexist

[jaunty sky]

are you not entertained

[midnight mist]

im not really entertained no

its mostly useless

2 is more than enough

[golden loom]

I do wish rogue hero talents felt like playing Mountain Thane fury

[midnight mist]

I do wish we just didnt get hero talents

rogue would be playing so much better

[subtle tundra]

Baseg

[midnight mist]

appart from sub but sub is weird

[subtle tundra]

man zac youre growing so much on me

[grim jay]

play outlaw, then you have budget fury

and it feels similar

[midnight mist]

ty man

[rare jackal]

current sub iteration is pretty good, just need some rough edges ironed out

[subtle tundra]

as an outlaw french, its impressive

[golden loom]

I just play fury for that

[rare jackal]

outlaw seems to be getting more complicated every patch

and assa just has everything while being payphone

its a weird time

[golden loom]

I wonder though, on the whole are there more positive hero talents than negative

[midnight mist]

not sure about that

[golden loom]

like for all classes and specs

[midnight mist]

i think removal of er and bte reset made it easier

at least for the everyday man

[rare jackal]

idk dude, you talk about cancel macros
and when i look at the current prio list and reroll logic im thinking "nah fuck that"

[midnight mist]

ok well

it got easier

[rare jackal]

interesting

i admit im not in the loop

[midnight mist]

also no one does the cancel aura macro

it just

you need to to not get a bug

[grim jay]

also noone actively thinks about rerolls

[midnight mist]

and get + 1 coin

[grim jay]

wait what

[midnight mist]

which is important cuase the capstone never procs for outlaw tho

[dawn seal]

Zac looks so co

Cool

[rare jackal]

i would love to play outlaw, but i have the feeling that in order to really min max the spec you have to OTP it

[midnight mist]

thats prolly true of every spec in the game

[rare jackal]

nah

assa plays itself by comparison

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

ssssh

dont say that

assa is so hard

i've been told

[grim jay]

neither is hard

[subtle tundra]

you know whats easy

boomkin

holy shit

4 button spec

LOL

[rare jackal]

i only see hardcore OTPs like anything do good damage on outlaw, its just too difficult to be worht the hassle

[grim jay]

I cant play it, I die inside

ngl

[grim jay]

cope

[subtle tundra]

oh yea i need to be for boosts

in guild chat

[midnight mist]

thats prolly cause outlaw doesnt do good damage

[jaunty sky]

depends on what's good dmg to u

[rare jackal]

yeah thats unfort

[subtle tundra]

the good players pick it up pretty fast

and every spec is easy to learn when you dedicate 12hrs a day to it

[midnight mist]

unfort i only have 11hs a day

[golden loom]

think most things in life are but who has 12 hrs to do that

[midnight mist]

i will suck at assa forever gg

[subtle tundra]

most top players

[rare jackal]

i view damage in relationship to hard it is to get out

[royal lantern]

outlaw gaslighting hit you in full force

[midnight mist]

cant wait for tryan to be forced to play outlaw next season in his weekly 5s when assa get deleted

[subtle tundra]

buddy not everyone needs to play meta to do weeklies

[midnight mist]

if assa is deleted you cant play assa vara

[grim jay]

kinda difficult opinion if your definition of hard is warped

[rare jackal]

idk, saying outlaw is easy seems to be a depcretated take

[grim jay]

unless you only speak for yourself

[subtle tundra]

if assa is deleted, as in removed, i wont play the game

pretty easy

[royal lantern]

cant wait for outlaw to suck again so zac goes on a rant again and at the same time repeats how compwtitive he is

[midnight mist]

?

[golden loom]

isnt the only spec to ever be removed litearlly the one that got replaced by outlaw

[midnight mist]

wdym repeats how competitive i am

[subtle tundra]

survival

[golden loom]

survival is still called survival

[midnight mist]

why are you offended everytime i talk about high end content

what would i talk about

[golden loom]

combat just got renamed to outlaw

[royal lantern]

idk man, could go instant into mythic prog and get 90+ in 3 weeks in 2 tiers during SL

[midnight mist]

its the content i do

[royal lantern]

its wow

[midnight mist]

you are so cooked

[royal lantern]

no spec in wow is giga galaxy brain hard

playing decently enough for all content is always not THAT hard

[radiant raven]

Agreed. Now, pet battles on the other hand...

[grim jay]

there are some where its hard to stay awake

like bm and mm

and boomi

[midnight mist]

and ass

[rare jackal]

whats your opinion on the matter?
imo, assa has been vastly superior this tier cause it was comparable in damage to sub while being way easier at the same time
even if youre a good player, you should take that into consideration during progress

[royal lantern]

bro, show people the passive pet battle stat shit and they get confused

frking IVs exist in WoW

[radiant raven]

The worst is the fucking crow in Gilneas that has breeds but is a static pet during the intro zone

[grim jay]

I dont think any rogue spec is notably more or less difficult than the others

they are just different

[subtle tundra]

NO

NO

[rare jackal]

thats cooked, but agree to disagree i guess

[subtle tundra]

DONT BE IMPARTIAL

[radiant raven]

We should rate rogue specs on their ability to turn purple.

[golden loom]

I think Outlaw would the easiest one if I started playing that instead of sin when I made my char

[grim jay]

its not cooked, its the consensus non biased people tried to spread the whole time

from a personal perspective outlaw even is the easiest to me

[rare jackal]

[grim jay]

and guess why that is

[jaunty sky]

yeah for me it's outlaw < assa < sub, looking at both ST and AoE

[grim jay]

because they are different

and I'm coming from games where the difficulty of outlaw is amplified

[radiant raven]

I find Sub the easiest, I find Outlaw impossible and I find Assa pretty complex and awkward. I'm built different.

[grim jay]

by 10000x

and every person can do different things better

[golden loom]

when I play sub rogue I feel like my GCD is 2 seconds cause I have to think what to press next

[royal lantern]

if you start playing, it kinda is

just press random buttons, blade flurry and you do aoe dmg, stuff dies

sub/assa with cd stacking/dots is more confusing there for somebody that is 100% new and hits leveling mobs that die in 2gcds anyway

[midnight mist]

[royal lantern]

ZAC NOT UNDERSTANDING "NEW PLAYER THAT IS LVL7" INCOMMING

[midnight mist]

you know whats the best leveling spec

sub with subterfuge

just go in and press ss

everything dies

so easy spec

[grim jay]

becomes pretty natural after some time tho

[golden loom]

like most things yeah

[grim jay]

unless you really have difficulties with that kinda playstyle

[radiant raven]

🙏

[midnight mist]

i know

im a master leveler

[grim jay]

I'm glad that I am not

fuck leveling

in legit every single game

[golden loom]

leveling is very based

[radiant raven]

It's real chill in WoW these days at least.

[golden loom]

osrs enjoyers rise up

[radiant raven]

Just brain off, podcast or movie on, and click mobs

[grim jay]

the only game I enjoyed leveling was TnL

and that wasnt because it was good

but it was because its fast af

[golden loom]

classic leveling is fun cause its the game, same for runescape where I have spent 400 days ingame time just getting xp

[grim jay]

no you got it mixed up

[golden loom]

in retail the focus isnt leveling tho so u just blast past

[grim jay]

classic isnt fun because of it

[rare jackal]

oh this take will get you cooked here (youre right tho)

[radiant raven]

Well, leveling in Classic is the main draw so I don't disagree even though I think is is dire and terrible and a crime against good taste.

[golden loom]

the dopamine from picking up every quest in for example ungoro, clearing the entire questie map of markers and handing in quests for xp drops is crazy

[grim jay]

you clearly get dopamine from different things

[golden loom]

number go up makes me happy

wheter its dps meter or xp bar or rank

[radiant raven]

If I could earn cosmetics from Classic in Retail, I would play so much classic.

[golden loom]

[royal lantern]

"in classic leveling is the game" is the biggest classic andy cope in tbe world tbh

like, back in TBC when instarted the game, EVERYONE told me to check a guide for leveling fast because "the REAL game is at max level!!!"

when classic released, everyone raced to max level because "the REAL game is the max level raids and BG's!!!"

then molten core got cleared in day5of classic release and suddenky all the classic andy streamers started yelling "well AKSHUALY classic is about the JOURNEY of leveling, not the max level!!!!"

[rare jackal]

here we go...

[radiant raven]

Didn't people clear MC entirely naked too

[grim jay]

the only number that goes up while leveling for me is my cortisol

[golden loom]

I mean okay saying its the entire game is fake, I did like raiding also and making social contacts there, but the first time leveling to 60 exploring all the new zones etc was my favorite part for sure @royal lantern

[royal lantern]

its just funny to see the "its about the leveling journey" all the time, while a bigger part of the players pay for warlock ports and spamm farmed Scarlet Crusade Dungeons when they where avaible for leveling

[golden loom]

idk maybe my view on things is different to most people that played wow their entire lives since I started so recently but game good

worst part of classic was farming consumes every week to be able to raid tho made it feel like a real life job on a small server like the hc servers are

[rare jackal]

that is exactly what is happening
you always have to keep in mind that most people you talk to about wow have 15 years of playtime

[golden loom]

made me glad to die tbh

[radiant raven]

Ye, if you find it fun and have a good time that's all that matters.

[royal lantern]

its nothing against you, its more that this entire "classic is about the JOURNEY" thing was very weirdly Pushed in by the same people that repeated for 13+ years how giga hardcore vanilla wow was and that only the absolute 0,000001% of players could ever clear a raid

to save face

[radiant raven]

And then a load of people cleared MC naked.

[grim jay]

ye classic tbf has quite a part of its bad reputation due to the people playing it

[royal lantern]

like, going from "its giga hardcore endgame raiding!" to "everyone knew raiding was not hard, it was about THE JOURNEY" while doing scarlet monasetary for the 38th time in 2days

[golden loom]

yeah I guess I never ran into that aswell since thats not what the HC servers were like at all imo

guess the freaks were mostly there 2019

[royal lantern]

2019 classic was "special"

[blazing pumice]

it's not like the present wow classic was what it was like back in the day

[royal lantern]

LFG KILLED WOW->most downloaded classic addon was a LFG addon

[blazing pumice]

there were no weakauras and people were playing on 800x600 monitors

[radiant raven]

Also knowledge gap, no good resources or communication initially, etc.

[royal lantern]

4entire frames per second

[radiant raven]

New! Fresh! Offline for a lot of the initial launch time.

Classic should've replicated it, imo

[royal lantern]

artificaly kill your connection

[radiant raven]

Classic existing is cool, though. And it's good it does exist.

It's also just very funny.

[royal lantern]

and have 8people quit mid raid cus their parents said "get off the Computer"

[golden loom]

but idk the feeling of leveling to 60 on hc for the first time is very hard to beat, 1 dungeon lockout per day so you cant spam, not knowing which zones are dangerous so walking into for example eastern plaguelands for the first time is a horror movie, random lvl 50 elites roaming in lvl 20 zones

[radiant raven]

We need to make a telephone call to your granny. Get off the internet.

[golden loom]

good game

[radiant raven]

HC is such a different beast, too. Hell yeah for getting to cap on it, big achievement.

[grim jay]

shouldve been there when new world was new with pvp turned on

[blazing pumice]

idk about the US, but most people were on broadband by the time wow came out

[grim jay]

that was really fun

[blazing pumice]

no dialup

[grim jay]

but not due to the leveling itself

[radiant raven]

never forget new world sausage.jpg disconnect.

[rotund oak]

he never forgets sausages man

[spice spire]

That’s true

[final dawn]

managed to deplete my 13 DB and depleted the 12 GB afterwards too

"play your own keys"

I want soloQ

[grim jay]

play league of legends

[royal lantern]

so you can deplete even faster?

and yeha, play a frking moba then

[final dawn]

nah i want to play a game that is fun

[royal lantern]

then play wow with mates

like it is intended

ofc dungeons in the ~1% range are shit with randoms lol

tf do you expect

[subtle tundra]

the later you start playing the worse it is

all capable people are past that point already

[royal lantern]

^

the good people either play with a set group or are throwing themself against higher key levels in pugs

[grim jay]

some probably dont even push currently because of all the funky bug-shit

[final dawn]

just wanna play the game mate. can not make friends when i do not get into keys.

[latent gazelle]

There’s a few good discord channels for finding groups for keys and raids n such. It’s helped with pugging for alot of people

[slate crown]

just woke up open page to this point in the chat gm

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah

Naked MC was a great moment in WoW history

[royal lantern]

i always raid naked

[grim jay]

same

thats why I got a little stool below my desk

[spice spire]

Oh I thought that’s because you always got your shit pushed in

[grim jay]

nah, its so that I dont need to let it hang

because it would get even longer with all that weight

[rotund oak]

was trying to taunt him a bit but u went balls deep savage

[ember mural]

[rotund oak]

dog

yo

[grim jay]

I dont mind @spice spire going balls deep on me

[rotund oak]

[shy heron]

[ember mural]

[radiant raven]

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

[stark scroll]

Is sac better than crystal for brood?

just visually running stats seems most of the top parses have sac

[spice spire]

There’s several trinkets within % of each other

Guessing people just vibed whichever they had

[slate crown]

quake would respond when the question was about sacs

ok i'll stop

[spice spire]

You know what LE

I hope you just have an okay day today

[coral ibex]

always keep an eye on the sac fr

[stark scroll]

thanks for answering my question about sacs quake

[slate crown]

you too, hope you have an okay day

Actually, I hope your day is wonderful

and that the world is kind to you

[spice spire]

If you need a sac rating lmk I got you homie

[stark scroll]

[spice spire]

Ur gonna make me feel like an asshole wtf

[stark scroll]

Is there a way to macro to target a mob that has a certain target market on it

[slate crown]

No

[stark scroll]

hmmm

I think I can piggy back my M+ auto marker to do this

i wonder if thats considered cheating and I will be banned

stay tuned!

[vague shell]

when do i use Mad Queens?

[stark scroll]

PRIO targets, if close value that will execute its optimal but min maxxing it isnt required

in raid rip off cd in m+ same thing

if you can execute someone without a massive overkill thats ideal

[slate crown]

/target is going to be a protected function

you can only perform macro commands with it

[stark scroll]

I rather just want whatever is marked to become my focus target

rather than target

I think I have already achieved this with this addon I just need to test when I am home

[slate crown]

I'm skeptical, focus is also all proteceted

[spice spire]

Proteceted

[stark scroll]

protec

[spice spire]

[stark scroll]

maybe itll just pick a random worm

who knows

[slate crown]

Raid marker targets all have APIs for them, so the implication would be that you could establish a logic for having LUA automatically pick targets to makr as part of your rotation, then have what you do do your rotation and target selection for you

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[slate crown]

which blizzard does not what you to do

[slate crown]

u know ok bud

[spice spire]

This is why you do not sass me first thing in the morning.
Now you got me all day

Patients be damned I have to sass a cat irl, but online

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-meow-meow-asyalittlecat-big-eyes-gif-26404220

[spice spire]

https://imgur.com/d4eVfF6

[stark scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[stark scroll]

this is skoll energy

[spice spire]

[final dawn]

Which dc? 😎

[rotund oak]

if this cat isnt a robot,its definitely high

[spice spire]

Or both

[coral ibex]

wish that was me

[slim acorn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

sass me, daddy quake

[spice spire]

that gives me an anti boner

[grim jay]

there are many cats with that look

[grim jay]

arent into that daddy thing?

[spice spire]

Very against it actually

Getting called that 6 times a week for multiple years against your wishes

Kinda ruins it for everyone eh

[grim jay]

wdym 6 times a week

[spice spire]

The fuck do you think I mean big dog

[balmy condor]

Am siebten Tag ruhte er

Amen

[spice spire]

Bro fuck you

That was just Thursday when I was in class from 8-21

[ember mural]

Bro just casted a spell on you

[grim jay]

its god daddy quake

[balmy condor]

I compare him to god and he goes fuck you

[grim jay]

god is below him

thats how hard he goes

[spice spire]

Nah he said the seventh day was for rest

[balmy condor]

Can’t be showing any ankles on the holy day

[static glacier]

and here I thought you had a cute litter of pups

😔

[balmy condor]

I know quake is on his knees every Sunday like a good boy, mouth open ready to receive the good word

God bless

[limber lion]

Amen

[tight ginkgo]

I got my eruv lines set up and everything

[spice spire]

Whispyr I’m going to eat your ass until it’s the consistency of a cat’s tongue I swear to god

[grim jay]

[slate crown]

oh nice I love reruns

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-kawaii-cute-gif-12056310807631487717

[grim jay]

Yo whispyr was ist der unterschied zwischen einem pastor und akne?

[grim jay]

reruns

[balmy condor]

Akne kommt nur aufs gesicht nach der pubertät

[royal lantern]

junge ich bin zu dicht für dowas

[grim jay]

DAMN HE KNOWS

[spice spire]

WHAT

[grim jay]

Egal wie dicht du bist, goethe war dichter

denk immer dran

[spice spire]

Erm guys this is an English discord only

[slate crown]

Don't ask me why I did this (I don't know)

[grim jay]

but maybe she knows

[grim jay]

force me

[grim jay]

bro

but why

[proven jasper]

Quake getting some real mileage out of that pic

[grim jay]

kinda reminds me of varas

[proven jasper]

LOL

[grim jay]

because he wants a woman that can beat him up

[proven jasper]

Same

[slate crown]

Hey it's a good pic don't hate on quake

[slate crown]

same

[proven jasper]

hey i never said i was hating

Im in the same boat

[spice spire]

Pretty sure I’ve used it on him

[grim jay]

force

or the picture

[fallow canopy]

too early to be making me feel like this

[spice spire]

The picture

[royal lantern]

The Dog

[spice spire]

I posted two dog pics recently tryan

One is not of George rho

[rare jackal]

open assa chat
see this
close assa chat

many such cases

[spice spire]

Real actually

[spice surge]

Real actually

[cloud basin]

spyglass or mandate?

[spice spire]

Whichever sims higher and whichever feels more meaningful to you

[dapper cradle]

me running abyssal trap because it feels more meaningful

[spice spire]

Need you to shut your abyssal trap

[dapper cradle]

[novel star]

love to open the assassination channel to see some lovely discussions about world of warcraft let’s go guys

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1134684451998281790/1139044470499835934/THE_GANG.gif

[slate crown]

which channel are you talking about?

[novel star]

#1080572530554835072

[runic hinge]

:3

[coral ibex]

dead game only raidlog for queen prog

[novel star]

dead game

only login poe2

[coral ibex]

i have more hours in age of mythology in the last month

[spice spire]

Ty young Olive, I do my best to stay on topic

[radiant raven]

I wanna be the really scrunched one on the right

[novel star]

you could be

[spice spire]

You could also be

[upbeat onyx]

Has anyone mained outlaw and can help me figure out what talents are the assassin version of things? Realized I can play at least two specs on all my alts but main not so much

[rotund oak]

there is a chick next door,has a cat,complete psycho

the cat just destroys eveyrthing

[brittle viper]

Hey guys. I run out of energy on single target fights im M+ like bosses every pull. I have good energy for around 30 seconds then it just tanks and I can only use like 1 ability every 5 seconds and my dps just goes down the drain

Any tips for this?

[fallow canopy]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[brittle elm]

yo guys i was just testing out some dummy damage, while i noticed that while i have subterfuge my macro wont use tempered potion or my trinket. This is very bizzare?

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Skardyn's Grace
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

[brittle viper]

That is weird... Do you have the macro button on both stealth and unstealthed bars?

[brittle elm]

yea i do

[brittle viper]

The best practice for the trinket would be /use 13 or 14 based on the slot. 13 for first and 14 for second

I found using the name is inconsistent

[brittle elm]

yeah i tested it out

same with 13 or 14

just so bizzare

[brittle viper]

Yeah that is strange. No idea on that one

Mine works perfectly fine

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

Maybe its the sequence

Try using pot first, then trink, then DM

[jade abyss]

Normal for m+

[silver wharf]

sorry what is the difference among these the transmitter and the skardyns

[rotund oak]

ask the robot

[golden loom]

could try this @brittle elm, its my macro with the ID's of the differnet pots instead of the names:
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use item:212265
/use item:212264
/use item:212263
/cast Deathmark

the order is rank 3 rank 2 rank 1 of pots

[nimble tartan]

is there nerubar refinery catchup…

[golden loom]

yeah you should get plenty per boss kill

just do a quick LFR or smthin

[nimble tartan]

ty my friend

may he bless you

[gentle rover]

I wish I had enough gold to spend tempered potions on target dummies 😭 lol

[royal lantern]

...huh?

but...why?

[gentle rover]

Guy earlier said he was testing his macros for potion on target dummies. Which to me is crazy because I get mad when I forget to swap my macro for potion while I’m questing between dungeon queues

[subtle tundra]

surely 40 gold to test it once isnt gonna bankrupt you

[uneven nymph]

its only 40 gold?

[gentle rover]

Sitting at 30k which feels pretty close to bankrupt these days. Playing one too many alts this season. But yeah worth the cost. Was just poking fun 👍

[uneven nymph]

i have 4k

🙂

[royal lantern]

just be born rich

[gentle rover]

Have you tried picking yourself up by the bootstraps?

[uneven nymph]

see

my issue was that i bought gear at lvl 60 for like 2-3k

😭

than i realised i wasted gold

[long hawk]

Is it just me or does the dmg you do in the opener for sin kinda inconsistent? Like I can do the exact same opener but sometimes I'm doing 4m dps and other times im doing 2-3m dps, whats causing that difference? Is it crits and procs?

[runic hinge]

yes

[sinful night]

hi first time going to use weakauras wonder if I can get any suggestions for ones for assass rogue that pretty minimalist such as letting me when the clear the witness is active and such

[dapper cradle]

KB crits at the end of the window can be giga

Sometimes just anlaki

[dapper cradle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper cradle]

You can look around any of those groups, they’re all solid

If you only need some of the wa’s, you could just delete the ones you don’t want

[sinful night]

anyone one you personally use that wouldnt be heavy on cpu usage?

[dapper cradle]

LE and Lux are really nice

[soft surge]

what is the clipping option in that devlins group

so many custom options

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s doesn’t use shaders which is primarily the bogging currently

[dapper cradle]

https://wago.io/WXF4MaBV7

Zac’s pack is really nice too if you multispec

[simple garden]

hello. I have a doubt with the rog assa. In bosses I usually run out very quickly without generating energy and it takes me a long time to cast skills and I am dragged along by it the entire combat and my dps drops a lot. Is this loss of energy normal or am I doing things wrong?

[soft surge]

yes

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[jade abyss]

its possible to get a second ring from the new one?

[runic hinge]

I wish

[sullen phoenix]

guys is there penality on mastery stat like on haste? because when i pop pot+trink and chaos flask i go over 84% should i use maybe legendary skipper citrine and not windsinger because of that?

[novel star]

going over soft caps doesn’t matter

use the gem that sims the best (read the pins)

[subtle tundra]

do those slots give gear from the new island

[novel star]

those slots give u this lil bro

[subtle tundra]

? youre so getting touched

[novel star]

go for it.

[wet plover]

Does anyone know whats a good ILVL to do zekvir solo?

[hollow river]

pretty sure skipper's is bis regardless. sim yoself

[novel star]

(it is)

wooooorld

oooof

warcraaaaaaaaaffffftttyt

[hallow pelican]

skipper is BiS for every legitimate DPS class

[hollow river]

why are you pinging me this

[runic hinge]

Don’t think so

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

[simple garden]

In ASSA, we have to have 10% haste yes or yes?

[dapper cradle]

you need 8-10% haste for fatebound

and 18-20% for DS

[hollow river]

tf was the command

[dapper cradle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hollow river]

pog

[dapper cradle]

the !haste one is just for outlaw

since that's the only rogue spec with "required" stat breakpoints atm

and it's just for haste

sin is just "bigger ilvl go brrrrrr"

[simple garden]

Well, I have it a little complicated.- I have all the craft equipment plus all the biss and I only have 6%. Will I have to recraft something to crit-haste?

[dapper cradle]

no lol I was just trolling, you don't need any specific haste numbers for assassination

[dapper cradle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-13392138837084579216

[hollow river]

[dapper cradle]

i attoned for my sins

[spice spire]

If people are asking questions and honestly don’t know just don’t troll

Troll to my dog ass

[dapper cradle]

better than the brainrot you post in here ngl

[spice spire]

Is it though.
One is active mis information and one just shows the lack of brain cells the user has

[onyx linden]

are people not going tempest anymore on court? Just checked a few logs

[spice spire]

Never really were

[dapper cradle]

i never misinform without properly informing promptly thereafter

[onyx linden]

oh really? I thought Whysper recommended it a bit ago

[spice spire]

Only CT right in raid I see recommended is brood

[dapper cradle]

they removed ulgrax ads from logs right?

[spice spire]

Yeah but idk if they traded at partition like they did with rash

Don’t think I’ve raided since last partition LMFAO

[onyx linden]

Yeah looks like that now. I swear I remember a video where he was saying "council" build go CT, but maybe court doesnt count as a council

[dapper cradle]

i can't even pad on rash ads with all the warriors/ret paladins in my group

[spice spire]

Yeah ur cooked som

[spice spire]

Think he had a generic council built in wh, council being like 3+ targets you damage together

[runic hinge]

Council is more like 3 and court is 2 which is fine but a lot of the fight is intermissions where you can only hit one and CT loses value if you’re not keeping it up on 2

[spice spire]

But there’s just not one

[onyx linden]

right

alright sounds good

[runic hinge]

I think if they were always up and you could keep ct up on both it could be worth

[spice spire]

Mythic is very wonky Tony

[onyx linden]

Yeah I guess spatter is still worth though

[runic hinge]

True. I ain’t degen enough to step foot in there

[onyx linden]

seems like people are also holding first DM for first charge at 45s

[runic hinge]

Yeha I think the tech is to hold for amp

[balmy condor]

if you're holding dps on shield, cd the amp

if you're just blasting the shield, cd on pull

[humble verge]

hmm

kinda curious that 36 in top 50 use MA

🤨

[dawn seal]

yo guyd

I leveled up

on mythic

I am not gray anymore I am green

[fallow canopy]

[dawn seal]

[keen spruce]

[fallow canopy]

Blue is around the corner

[dawn seal]

👀 yeh

on sikran

we had

only 3 dps alive

when it was 7%

[stark scroll]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[dawn seal]

I was one of them

[balmy condor]

on what?

[hollow river]

they're probably talking about murlok.io's m+ thing

[humble verge]

m+

[balmy condor]

oh

that's not too strange I guess

I thought you were talking about the silken court convo

would've been a weird 14 people

[mighty vine]

We got any plater script gurus in here? Trying to make a nameplate flash when Kingsbane is at 7 sec left and missing shiv. Kinda sorta have it working

[grim jay]

what exactly makes you wonder there

its not like MA is godly

comparatively

[solar wyvern]

@white lance is there a way to change your WA package to show 2 envenom bars instead of the one bar overlapping colors?

Im not a WA person xd

[simple garden]

Is it better to wear that gem than the legendary one? but the gem in my inventory says it's 2871p.

[hallow pelican]

arent u supposed to wear both?

[runic hinge]

You can sim it if you want

[balmy condor]

that's a thunder gem

legendary is a wind gem

you can wear both

[simple garden]

oh

[hallow pelican]

i said that ... but my name isnt purple so i'll just go fuckmyself

[balmy condor]

can I watch

[hallow pelican]

paypal 100 bucks. no one watches the hog for free

[balmy condor]

you're worth more than that king

[spice surge]

The hogchamp

[humble verge]

idk like

how big is the difference between the legendary skipper and the mastery one

cause i see some of the top 50 rogues in m+ use the mastery one atleast

idk how big of a benefit the legendary one is

[hallow pelican]

you should be seeing them wear both ... how is this confusing?

[simple garden]

my mistake I didn't mean that gem. I wanted to say if it is better to take the windsinger one than the legendary one

[humble verge]

no sorry

i meant the

highest secondary stat one

mb

windsingers runed

[hallow pelican]

holy shit ... the ring has 3 slots

[subtle tundra]

its not rng so thats something useful aswell

[humble verge]

true

[hallow pelican]

the fuck is going on here am i in some alternate timeline?

[subtle tundra]

are you okay

[balmy condor]

well if windsinger was better than the legendary one, I would've recommended it in the guide

[hallow pelican]

i think im the only one who is

[runic hinge]

No

[hallow pelican]

i think im one of only 2 people here who are wearing the stormbringer, fathomdweller, and skipper ....

and am aware that its even possible

[spice surge]

[subtle tundra]

whats he on about

[hallow pelican]

but im confused as to why this basic info is escaping people

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hallow pelican]

like can people not count to 3 and match colors ? cause thats some kindergarden shit

[slate crown]

Yes, I am sure that is the fundamental problem here.

[hallow pelican]

looks up i know youre being sarcastic but .... points

[subtle tundra]

game wouldve been nicer without

[slate crown]

NGL I literally still don't have the ring

[spice surge]

Could do without the mistletoes

[slate crown]

I went to the island once, landed, did the 2 turnin talk quests, then hearthed and went back to crafting

[spice surge]

I know blizzard loves toes, but bruh

Its so annoying

[thorn thorn]

Xalatoes

[slate crown]

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

Are you a hater of 11.0.7 like Whispyr is

[slate crown]

No I'm not informed or smart enough to appreciate why 11.0.7 is bad

I'm just apathetic towards it

It's hard to care when my primary mode of gameplay engagement is far removed from the mode that is affected by the changes in .7

[simple garden]

I was wondering, since I have seen several Rank1s carry that gem above the legendary one, and I had that doubt. but I have simulated and it is 150k - dps in AoE

[hallow pelican]

11.0.7 isnt really a patch as much as its adding a catchup gear farm for your undergeared alts before the new raid

the ring will end up in our banks as soon as 11.1 hits

[thorn thorn]

pvp?

Most likely will be

Maybe some alts wear it until ilvl upgrade

[slate crown]

I write code and also I make a line go up

[thorn thorn]

Hopefully its not like Annulet and omega bis for certain specs

[hallow pelican]

im just wearing it for the crest discount because of the ilvl

the thing hasnt even reached the level of novelty because the effects are so fucking lame

[slate crown]

You don't have to actively wear it for the discount

[jaunty sky]

The ring is supposed to be BiS until you get mythic gear next season iirc

[balmy condor]

yes, dumbfucks

[jaunty sky]

But we'll see how many buffs it needs for that

[sharp viper]

Whisper about to throw hands

[balmy condor]

I went and tested the two because one of these said people was trying to tell me that it was simming wrong

while not understand how legendary even works

and saying he only holds dps gems in his bag so it doesn't proc the other ones

and I wasted two hours of my life

and the pain of doing 2 keys

[runic hinge]

Plunderstorm

[balmy condor]

just to look at the log and go

"yeah legendary is simming fine you're just a dumbass"

[slate crown]

I actually didn't play the first time, I should try it this time around

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[runic hinge]

I maxed the renown cause I wanted the parrot mount

[royal lantern]

you forgot the "and then never really used it" part

could not be me

[runic hinge]

That’s true. I am using the one year sub kitty mount rn and the owl from last year

Maybe with next season’s mog we can go with a parrot mount

[hallow glade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jade abyss]

You dont like m+

[balmy condor]

hell no I don't lmao

I hate m+

famously

but I guess that's what happens when you've been doing m+ for a decade like I have

[runic hinge]

The mode needs improvements and every time I read notes I wonder if blizz knows what they want out of it

Also the brain rot from the streamers that permeates the whole scene is obnoxious

[royal lantern]

there are like, 5different groups that want m+ in a different way

and they all get really loud

i dont envy them trying to adjust it

[humble verge]

@keen mantle sorry if im pinging you but are you feint-spamming on last boss in City? i feel like im either out of energy or out of defensives 24/7 on that boss

i guess having an aug really helps in terms of defensives so theres that but i rarely run with those cause people aint want no aug+rogue enha

[wise plover]

yo Whyspr do i recall you said the Crimson Tempest is still worth pressing for pure ST in the scenario that the 2nd target you hit basically instant dies.
Im wondering if i should press it during queen roots and the roots die instant but i only care about queen ST damage.

[coral ibex]

you would never run CT on queen

massive waste of talents in a mostly ST fight

[midnight mist]

dont forget evasion aswell

cloacking the dot is good also

[humble verge]

yeah im using all of them

[midnight mist]

if you are doing high key the healer will be calling

[humble verge]

its just

[wise plover]

seems like plenty of people run it on queen, and i want to help with the adds more since i don't think queen damage will be an issue for first kill

[midnight mist]

when he has healing or not

[humble verge]

yeah but

pug 16

idk about that

[midnight mist]

in 16 shgould be fine no ?

[humble verge]

nah

im like

[coral ibex]

who is running CT on mythic queen huh

[humble verge]

so fucking low every dot right before the aoe

have to pop feint and crimson

and also maybe even pot if im too low just to be safe

[coral ibex]

filter out the weird chinese sale runs

[midnight mist]

well you should always feint the aoe obviously

both the stomp and the root

[midnight mist]

but ye idk

[humble verge]

yea

thats what im doing

[midnight mist]

usually i dont need to be spamming feint

[humble verge]

if you have an aug sure

[midnight mist]

sometimes i will throw a few there and there on the dot

vial or whatever

[midnight mist]

you play without ?

[humble verge]

pugs

like

we were me fury(keyholder) ret

[wise plover]

regardless, i more wanted to know about CT damage. like on 2nd boss DB if i hit the webbed victim is it worth pressing in ST?

[humble verge]

kek

[midnight mist]

i have never met a pug that werent bringing an aug

[humble verge]

i meet a lot

but then also

[midnight mist]

even when im applying as outlaw

[humble verge]

people dont wanna invite me to keys

[midnight mist]

they still go and take an aug

[humble verge]

with aug

idk

like yeah

[midnight mist]

wdym

as assa?

why not

[humble verge]

yeah

like

idk

dont ask me

ask the PUGs

but then i also feel that 7/10 augs

are like subpar

[midnight mist]

ye for sure

every aug sucks no cap

[humble verge]

every other atleast

ive met people not using zephyr once

[balmy condor]

you don't run CT on queen and it's not worth pressing in single target

[midnight mist]

idk im kinda used to high keys

and like

on these type of bosses

our healers will usually call whenever he has healing or not

[humble verge]

yeah

but PUGing without voice

idk when

[midnight mist]

i think you could try tracking his cds tho

[humble verge]

so ill just feint whenever

ive got omnicd

atleast

[midnight mist]

im not sure you should be dying on that boss but

[wise plover]

aight ty, is there a target count where it does become worth pressing for pure ST ?

[midnight mist]

[humble verge]

rsham btw

not preist

priest

[balmy condor]

2

[humble verge]

if that makes any difference to you

[wise plover]

okay ty king 👑

[midnight mist]

oh

from what i heard

priest is giga on that boss

compared to rsham

[humble verge]

yeah like

i did a 16 cot with a priest another time

only reason we also bricked, he died from the string

web'

somehow

but we also were in voice so was easier to know when to CD

idk maybe i should run it back to rasha cape on cot over not using it xd

wont have 2 dawnthread then

[dawn heath]

do u play sin in arakara

[midnight mist]

ye

i play outlaw in cot and siege only

[dawn heath]

do u pre bleed before going into first pull

before going into the big mob

[midnight mist]

ok im ngl

im not that good

at assa

so i wouldnt ask this question to me

[dawn heath]

me neither

[midnight mist]

I would want to

[dawn heath]

i just tried to copy what kush did

[midnight mist]

bleed the 2 crawlers

at the very least

but idk

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jpZz5XEio2wRZJQxc?invite=cr-MSxmWWcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

maybe this is good not sure

[midnight mist]

its too hard to not fuck up the rest of my setup

[dawn heath]

u bounce your mark back

i have ability tracker at bottom

[midnight mist]

you dont play slow poison

[dawn heath]

ofc

i put it on after this pull

i toggle it off

for this

[midnight mist]

i was thinking that maybe it was something i should be doing for that pack

but idk

[dawn heath]

i have a macro

/cancelaura crippling poison
/cast crippling poison

tap it once while moving, remove it click it stand still apply crippling

[midnight mist]

i think you also should have ruptures on the 2 casters

but the crawelers is more improtant imo

cause they always are last to die

on that pack

and like

[dawn heath]

ideally ye but

[midnight mist]

it can be the diff between a restealth or not

[dawn heath]

i just

meld

[midnight mist]

im not a melder

[dawn heath]

here u can see we are chaining crawler in the back is not even dead

i just meld restealth here

[midnight mist]

ye

[dawn heath]

kinda owned in this first area

[midnight mist]

i would have just waited here tbf

but ye

im kinda slow still as ass

and i kinda troll when i try to do stuffs like taht

but i will try next time

[dawn heath]

its simple

[midnight mist]

without slow poisons

[dawn heath]

i do the same in stonevault

[midnight mist]

last i tried i trolled myself with slow poison

[dawn heath]

first pull in SV requires some skill to play correct

[midnight mist]

but like

no actually its fine

[midnight mist]

i think i have that one down now

[dawn heath]

i have one recorded

[midnight mist]

mostly

[dawn heath]

but our shaman happend to do 26mil on that first pull with 8 lightning dogs

so it looks bad relative

should be

ambush golem 1, Garrote Rupture > rupture FOK CT FOK (get your mark back, target golem 2 Rupture Mutilate Envenom > go into cds

u should not send your cds into the first golem

that is turbo bad

[midnight mist]

im doing something like that aslo

but i just realised

watching my replay back

the first golem has more health

unless im stupid

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it has less health

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i always tought the second had more

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first golem has less health than second

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https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzKkBuVHoUwCvlYbbmk25klcoL8DptCZI?si=S4WafXYJF3JwxEH5

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golem 1

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I mean i tought it did but

look

maybe im cooked

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golem 2

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bruh

is it rng or what

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im looking now LMAO

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look at that clip

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taht has never happend to us

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im confused

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its always 60 then 80

wtf

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i always tought the second had more

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it is

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but then i watch this clip

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idk what happend in your run

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and idk

casue that guy turbo die

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thats why u always target the second one

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5s on my cds

i was big mad

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idk

kinda sus

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what key level is that

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that second CT was int

17

i mean

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ye you are right

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normally

i do 90% of shamans damge in this pull

he just happend to get like 8 lightning dogs

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i do more damage than my shaman on that pack usually

if i can get my golem to live

all my cds

which

is kidna hard

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i mean on rogue u kinda do

like

12mil on that pack

thats normal

u will never do like 16mil

we somehow timed this run

even thouigh tank flopped

and had to release

we had to kite mobs to entrance

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pretty sure i do

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do u only c loak double debuff?

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when i manage to get all my cds off

i try to line up cloak with a stomp

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why

feint stomp

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well its free

i can do both

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I mean dispell + srtomp

i dont just cloak stomp

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from the ara run

decent run tbh