assassination

[uneven nymph]

i fcked it

[rotund oak]

remove ''should work''

[uneven nymph]

wait

[brittle fulcrum]

lmaoo

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Envenom
/Cast coldblood
/cast Envenom

[raven hazel]

^

[uneven nymph]

and that will alaways work with envenom even when cb is on cd?

[brittle fulcrum]

I was waiting to give him shit if third time wasnt the charm

[rotund oak]

also after /cast coldblood press shft+enter

[brittle fulcrum]

yes

[uneven nymph]

what

why shift enter

[rotund oak]

to change the line

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Envenom
.. /Cast coldblood
.../cast Envenom

wait

fuck

me

[rotund oak]

this looks fine yes

[brittle fulcrum]

Slow down homie lmao

[uneven nymph]

#showtooltip Envenom
/Cast coldblood
/cast Envenom

there we go

thats correct

yes?

[rotund oak]

ye

[raven hazel]

yeah should be good

[uneven nymph]

woopiedoopie do

[raven hazel]

and will cast only enven when CB is on cd

[brittle fulcrum]

CB is off GCD so that will work

[uneven nymph]

youre all abt to witness the rise of the best clicking assn rogue

when i hit 80

[raven hazel]

don't forget me in the dedication page when you write your book

[uneven nymph]

also whoever told me to use timewalking dngs for xp ure a goat

[royal lantern]

if you wanna play fatebound, you macro coldblood with kingsbane btw

[uneven nymph]

that shit put me through from 68 to 71

[rotund oak]

😉

[uneven nymph]

i follow wowhead

i dont know what fatebound is

i use rampin

[royal lantern]

BASED

[brittle fulcrum]

So which one of us is gonna slap him with the first 5 mil envenom crit after he dings 80

[royal lantern]

BASED

FUCK CRINGEBOUND

[raven hazel]

book might be a little delayed lolol

[uneven nymph]

WE ONLY RAMP

HERE

[uneven nymph]

wdym slap me 😭

i just learned to use my rotation

leave me alone

[brittle fulcrum]

Envenom animation is a backhand

[uneven nymph]

what

[brittle fulcrum]

kekw

[uneven nymph]

it is?

[royal lantern]

?

[uneven nymph]

if this was poe id make a build on slapping people

but wow is restricted

[rotund oak]

whispyr about to bomb this chat so hard that will look like the nagasaki nuclear bomb

[royal lantern]

envenom is a generic "racial heavy attack" Animation

[uneven nymph]

btw can i just say

troll is the best race

best racial

hands down

[royal lantern]

5 fucking HP reg

[radiant raven]

The Old Republic's 'rogue' class, the Scoundrel, has the best animation for this. Their setup for a backstab is kicking someone between the legs. And their backstab is firing a shotgun into their butt.

[brittle fulcrum]

Im troll which is why my envenom is a backhand

needa switch but eh

[uneven nymph]

why u switch

tis da way mon

[royal lantern]

bro my character swaps bettwen worgen and vulpera, and for both its a full 360 spin

[brittle fulcrum]

Im overcapping energy when I click deathmark + berserk

[uneven nymph]

i have a troll rogue, a oldhead troll(the blue ones) mage

[royal lantern]

no you dont, but nice copium

[uneven nymph]

trolls seem busted

wait

[royal lantern]

its not

[uneven nymph]

thats so smart

i didnt even think of macroing berserk

holy shit

[royal lantern]

racials have no effect on actual numbers

[uneven nymph]

gigabrain

but the haste

[royal lantern]

like, its a meme for a reason

[uneven nymph]

is so nice

[subtle tundra]

racials are not real

[uneven nymph]

its like i can spam forever with tea

[subtle tundra]

pick whichever you want to look like

[royal lantern]

mate

haste has 0 effect on energy

legit 0

[uneven nymph]

what

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[uneven nymph]

is haste not regen?

[royal lantern]

1 energy for 10%

1

[subtle tundra]

you wont notice it bud

[uneven nymph]

WHAT

[brittle fulcrum]

Haste reduces the time between bleed ticks

[uneven nymph]

games been lying to me

[uneven nymph]

BOOM

haste goated

more tics

more bleed

[royal lantern]

10% more haste is 1mutilate in a full minute

[uneven nymph]

more dps

ok ok

but

[royal lantern]

by 0,1sec steps

[uneven nymph]

10% haste plus 1 mult

[subtle tundra]

yes other racials also have dps

[proven jasper]

1 more bleed tick over a minute

[uneven nymph]

yes

[proven jasper]

Haste is so giga omg!!!

[uneven nymph]

it is

[royal lantern]

haste has literally no effect on your gameplay/energy

its passive dmg like all other stats

[uneven nymph]

it makes me feel better abt my dps

so i say its goated

[proven jasper]

Its literally what the robot tells you and nothing else always and when you learn that this game solves itself

[uneven nymph]

when i see the red symbol above my head i crash out

[rotund oak]

with more crit u generate more combo points because if u crit with both daggers on ur mutilate u get more cps,hence more finishers,hence more dmg

than any haste %

[uneven nymph]

but imagine all that

with haste

[royal lantern]

mate, please learn the game first

[uneven nymph]

this

is

[royal lantern]

before you go stat idiot

[uneven nymph]

learning

the

game

for

[proven jasper]

No its not though

[uneven nymph]

it is tho

what

[royal lantern]

yeha and stats dont matter

[proven jasper]

You dont even have the basica down

And youre talking about racials and stats

[uneven nymph]

i joined the rogue only discord, with people playing only my spec, and so far all ive done is learn

thats learning the game

[royal lantern]

like, secondary stats have no Effect on your gameplay, and espacially for assa the secondary stats all ALL equal and you dont care about them

[brittle fulcrum]

You guys are all dogpiling on someone for joking that having haste doesnt give him depression anymore

like

[uneven nymph]

😭

theyre not smart

too much wow

[proven jasper]

?

[rotund oak]

here is a harsh reality check.Back on battle for azeroth(a previous expansion) assassination rogue stacked so much haste from procs and trinkets and rings that our bleeds ticked about 7 times per second.It was one of the wildest builds ive personally played as a rogue.Very fun,crazy amounts of dmg(it was known as the ''exsang build'' iirc)Compared to that we are as slow as a turtle 🙂

[proven jasper]

no i just think maybe he should read a guide like eveyone else

[royal lantern]

its more like

dogpilling to hammer in the head "stats dont matter, your stats dont change gameplay "feeling" " and "racials are a meme and can be ignored"

[uneven nymph]

yous are a breathing living guides

who explain in detail more than the guides written

[manic quartz]

can you cloak the Mqueen p3 wave?

[uneven nymph]

and any questions i have abt the quides got answered here

[subtle tundra]

yea but imagine if every day a new person came here

🙂

[proven jasper]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[uneven nymph]

kinda the point of this no?

[subtle tundra]

not really

[proven jasper]

Not really no

[subtle tundra]

this is not chatgpt

[uneven nymph]

whats the point of having a discord for rogue only if people cant come here to ask questions

[fallow canopy]

technically yes but it wont remove the thingy if you already ate the wave but with step being available that's just infinetly better

[uneven nymph]

😭

[fallow canopy]

just step to a mage/warrior and call it a day

[brittle fulcrum]

Thats crazy

[uneven nymph]

its not a inner circle of rogues circling jerking opinions

😭

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

theres a reason guides are made

[uneven nymph]

yes

and i have read them

than asked questions

here

and they got answered

[limber lion]

I'm glad I retired

[proven jasper]

Why do you think whispyr spends hours and days of his time

[subtle tundra]

the discord is not for brand new people being hand held, i believe

[proven jasper]

Writing guides

[marble hemlock]

how about the people who are too sick and tired of answering the same questions for the 15th time just dont type at all if theyre so tired of it, instead of letting others know how tired they are of it?

[subtle tundra]

yes questions are always welcome

[uneven nymph]

how is this hand holding?

you think answering questions is hand helding

[subtle tundra]

it has been hand holding, ofc

[uneven nymph]

you got some eltist views

[subtle tundra]

yes

[brittle fulcrum]

Yea. Do you prefer watching fools figure things out themselves or having to help them?

[uneven nymph]

its crazy isnt it

dont type if u dont want to

no1 is sitting next to you telling you

[subtle tundra]

being on a special discord for a specific class is on the pathway to elitism

[uneven nymph]

😭

[subtle tundra]

tbh

[uneven nymph]

im here bc i wanted to learn the class the fastest way

and its working

so say what u want but this is a guide discord

[limber lion]

I like to help people, that's why I've been here for such a long time. I, however, am not entitled to it.

I help out if I want to help out

[uneven nymph]

^

[limber lion]

I don't get paid for anything I say or do here

[marble hemlock]

i think the vast majority of people actively contributing to the daily conversation absolutely are part of the top 1-5% of players, but that doesnt mean we cant offer advice and support for the people who wanna get into that group of people or are far below it

[rose wind]

why argue about haste when vers is clearly bis stat

[brittle fulcrum]

Oh O just meant which one hurts you less?

Watching people be fools or having to help them through it

[limber lion]

When was the last time you saw your therapist?

[uneven nymph]

😭

[rose wind]

she asked me to stop coming

[limber lion]

It's content either way

[brittle fulcrum]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

well yea youre right
but im talking specifically in this case, he seems like a brand new player

[limber lion]

I hurt myself on the daily anyways

[rotund oak]

im not top 5% but u are hating ol' Sap

[subtle tundra]

pointing him into the right direction is fine

and it happened

[uneven nymph]

im glad i caused this

[brittle fulcrum]

You didnt theyre always like this

[uneven nymph]

all i said is haste cures my depression

sorry no

berserk does

😭

[brittle fulcrum]

KEKW

[subtle tundra]

this started from racials

[rotund oak]

u didnt cause anything btw,its casual thursday 😛

[subtle tundra]

we tried to give you the information and you started joking, people took it serious

[marble hemlock]

that being said, technically there shouldnt be any questions that are too basic to ask. if you dont wanna answer them or consider them dumb questions, its typically best left not asnwering at all

not saying thats what happened here, but as someone who largely lurks here, its actually crazy sometimes how aggressively some people need to make sure they let new players know they are asking beginner questions, instead of just answering them (or not talking at all when the only thing they have to say is something that puts a new player down)

and conversely, beginner level players need to be aware that the discord doesnt exist to cater to their whims either, and if they dont spend the time looking at the vast amount of information that is at their fingertips themselves, they might get called out for asking questions that are easily answered by doing a 5 second google search

[brittle fulcrum]

!Stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[marble hemlock]

(which, again, not saying that is the case in this specific conversation)

[brittle fulcrum]

Btw. I dunno why people are dogpiling someone for mentioning haste

[royal lantern]

there is a bit of a difference bettwen questions and "hey guys, what poisons should i use? and do i apply rupture on enemys??"

and guides kinda help avoiding #2

[uneven nymph]

to add to this, a google search takes me 2 seconds to type 5 mins to figure out, this takes me 2 seconds to type, less than a min to figure out with detailed explation

😭

dont blame the player blame the game

[rose wind]

rupture is not very important to rogue gameplay

[weary spear]

It’s because Whispyr always gets annoyed at the same questions - which is fine. But then he has a few dudes glazing him who take the same attitude and project it on newcomers

[marble hemlock]

absolutely. but its also reliant on someone volunteering their time to do so, and if theres no response, or the response isnt what you were hoping for, theres not much anyone can do about it

[subtle tundra]

in my defense i really do hate people who cant do research by themselves and think they deserve all the attention

[uneven nymph]

i dont think most people expect all the attention

but theres no harm in typing a question

if there is always someone who will answer it and explain it

its not like you have people begging to answer it

😭

[marble hemlock]

its a coexistence. no one is entitled to handholding or getting things explained better than a written or video guide can (since its not bespoke information, but generalized information instead). at the same time, regulars who help out almost on a daily basis need to also take a step back if they notice themselves getting too annoyed with answering the same question for the 15th time that day

[raven hazel]

There's no harm in it, but I guess what people are saying is don't be surpised if people are tired of answering the same 4 questions over and over/ are grumpy about it

[uneven nymph]

im not 😭

[subtle tundra]

sometimes i ask questions that can be easily google searched just so i can start a conversation aswell

[uneven nymph]

i can understand that answering the same questions 100000 times get to you mentally

but you dont have to answer

😭

[raven hazel]

I see this a lot on music forums as well. Newer players will come in and ask some very basic questions and people get really tired of it, start answering snarky

[uneven nymph]

there is other people who will answer

[raven hazel]

there's both sides of the coin to the issue

[livid bronze]

so what I'm taking away here is haste > rupture

[uneven nymph]

YES

zeleo gets it

[proven jasper]

commiting

[royal lantern]

quake>haste>rupture

[rotund oak]

[livid bronze]

god I do love quake

[proven jasper]

Fr

[royal lantern]

we all do

[proven jasper]

nothing is wrong when quake is here

[rotund oak]

quake's the man behind the reviews

[brittle fulcrum]

I kinda think Whispyr the ONLY person who has a reason to be tired of questions anyone here whose tired of them I mean. You out grew this chat.

[marble hemlock]

no one has to answer, but when they do, and its information that is very easily accessible, people tend to point you to that direction instead of answering the question itself.

because that way youre aware of where to find additional information yourself, and dont have to ask questions about every thing you encounter, but instead learn to use the existing resources first

[limber lion]

You know nothing.

[brittle fulcrum]

Hello?

[raven hazel]

teach a man to fish....

[proven jasper]

Exactly

thats what most people here try to do

[subtle tundra]

whispyr isnt the only person that has been here for a long time

[uneven nymph]

all i do is ask abt marcos here 😭

[limber lion]

Saying "Whispyr is the only one who has a reason to be tired..." is a wild take considering you've never been here so you don't know how many regulars here and every single day for years on end

[subtle tundra]

im a known asshole or something

[livid bronze]

teach a fish to bicycle 🚵‍♂️

[uneven nymph]

cuz fuuuuuck marcos

[limber lion]

There's dozens of people here every single day

Day in and day out

[marble hemlock]

known femboy too :3

[limber lion]

For years on end

[royal lantern]

wait

fish = micro plastic

micro plastic = poisoning

poisoning = assassination

YOOOO

[uneven nymph]

tyran

youre onto something

were meta worldwide

[subtle tundra]

having worn a skirt for christmas, a proud one too

[rotund oak]

[marble hemlock]

you wore panties underneath that skirt?

[brittle fulcrum]

Turning around and saying it makes sense to be tired of questions in a chat thats here so people can ask questions, right after telling people thats why its here, is wild

[subtle tundra]

yes i had to

[proven jasper]

So what ur saying is i have assassination in my balls?

[subtle tundra]

i was being... assaulted

[spice spire]

I can’t believe I get to send this twice in a day

[limber lion]

What?

[marble hemlock]

quake found a new fav image

https://i.imgur.com/siGxpGr.jpeg

[spice spire]

Okay this one was relevant

[marble hemlock]

okay this is actually gold tho

[spice spire]

Yeah right

[marble hemlock]

shouldnt have quoted

then it wouldve been 10/10

aight, raid time, everyone play nice

[subtle tundra]

ill play my druid

[royal lantern]

im cooking a curry

[radiant raven]

What kind of curry

[royal lantern]

is that nice?

[marble hemlock]

what kind?

well i was gonna hit you with the "what kind of message made you think i asked" but since someone else asked, thats kinda ruined in advance

unlucky

anyway, hope you enjoy your curry

[uneven nymph]

goat curry

🧑‍🍳 💋

[proven jasper]

Anyway at the end of the day sub>assa(drops mic)

[brittle fulcrum]

We JUST had this conversation about why this chat is here dont @ me

[vital haven]

my dudes discord search function is also really good especially if you filter by channel

[brittle fulcrum]

Right?

[vital haven]

most of the questions have already been asked before so you can just search them with key terms

[uneven nymph]

league rank?

region?

[limber lion]

Yes and saying out of 100k+ users, only the purple boy is allowed to feel tired is a wild take.

That's all.

[royal lantern]

"leftovers from new years thrown togheter with coconut milk and spices + rice" curry

[brittle fulcrum]

Oh I mean. For that is it really much better than google?

[limber lion]

The discord is much better than google

[vital haven]

aram only player my friend

[limber lion]

for specific small things like that

[uneven nymph]

😭 rito loves u

[radiant raven]

blessed choice, I want some.

[uneven nymph]

ur type of player

[vital haven]

imagine unironically playing ranked lol

[uneven nymph]

i do

kinda the purpose of the game

if u ask me

everything in the game is balanced and made in terms of ranked and pro play

[vital haven]

i commend you fortitude

[royal lantern]

imagine unironically playing league

[vital haven]

stronger person than me

[uneven nymph]

coming from a wow player

is WILD

[vital haven]

hey man aram is fun with the homies

[brittle fulcrum]

We were literally talking about people in this chat dog piling someone because theyre "Tired of questions"
Its not wild. but I dont wanna derail the chat any more than this yo

[limber lion]

Your responses make no sense, I'm gonna be honest

You're not even talking about the same thing

[brittle fulcrum]

Theyre related and we went straight from one to the other. But why dont we talk about haste instead?

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, now go and gacha pull some skins

[proven jasper]

[pseudo elm]

i use the macro
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 14
/use item:212265
/cast Deathmark

sometimes it dosent cast deathmark, anyone know why? should i change something?

[brittle fulcrum]

kekw

[royal lantern]

trinket has a GCD?

[uneven nymph]

just to say, when i said i started playing wow, my friends sent me this, this is the normal people vision of wow players

[royal lantern]

ye

[uneven nymph]

is all im saying

[limber lion]

Take some time to read the responses again and think about it for a bit, it's fine.

[uneven nymph]

😭

[pseudo elm]

gcd?

[brittle fulcrum]

Miss me with that shit

[limber lion]

global cooldown

[uneven nymph]

gcd on eric cartmen playing wow?

[limber lion]

oh you weren't even asking

[uneven nymph]

idk

[vital haven]

how did you get a picture of me?

[uneven nymph]

doesnt have one its a genertional meme

[brittle fulcrum]

Oh were you talking about the haste mb

[uneven nymph]

searched up aram player who plays rogue in wow

[pseudo elm]

1.30 cooldown

[limber lion]

No.

[vital haven]

sussy

[proven jasper]

Wow my brain cells are deteriorating at a rapid pace rn

[royal lantern]

thats soooo 2000's

2025 wow players are either fembois or furrys

or are in denial of it

[brittle fulcrum]

kekw

[limber lion]

Talking about you indirectly saying it's only okay for Whispyr to feel tired, but no one else

[uneven nymph]

i was wondering why i see so many gay transmogs

makes sense

[radiant raven]

[uneven nymph]

kinda hot

[limber lion]

But that's all

It's okay to make dumb comments sometimes

We all do it

It's fine

[uneven nymph]

ceverion u strike me as a person who really enjoyed playing halo

[limber lion]

Which one? Halo 2 and 3 were goated, not gonna lie

Reach was the downfall of Halo

[proven jasper]

Absolutely

[uneven nymph]

agreed

[brittle fulcrum]

I said people in THIS CHAT have no reason to come in here complaining about questions theyre why this chat is here as a catch all for sin questions/chatter

[uneven nymph]

4 was fun

i didnt hate 4

[limber lion]

Yes and that is completely fine

[royal lantern]

???

Reach was the downfall of Reach, thats the entire story

[limber lion]

But that's not what you said

[brittle fulcrum]

Yes it is

[limber lion]

I wouldn't know

[uneven nymph]

halo 5 tho

😭

any of u play it recently

god damn its tragic

[limber lion]

Didn't even know there was a 5th one, not gonna lie

[limber lion]

@brittle fulcrum

[brittle fulcrum]

When idd that come out cus I didnt until awhile ago either

[limber lion]

Take some time to read what you yourself wrote

It's okay

[brittle fulcrum]

Take some time to walk yourego out back

[uneven nymph]

oh

it worked

[proven jasper]

Are you okay?

[brittle fulcrum]

Just waiting to move on with our lives yea

[proven jasper]

[limber lion]

might wanna delete

or well, it'll get deleted by someone probably anyways

[proven jasper]

Yeah definitely delete that lol

[uneven nymph]

i was wondering

[limber lion]

[uneven nymph]

how far gone this place is

[royal lantern]

yeha, no harmfull stuff

or slurs

[limber lion]

We have major filters in place for some words

Probs don't wanna try em out

[uneven nymph]

so no racism or toxicity?

[limber lion]

Toxicity is fine

[brittle fulcrum]

Quick test is huntard on that list?

[uneven nymph]

half of the wow community must not like this place

[spice spire]

No but the word you’re trying to emulate is

[limber lion]

Blatantly attacking people is not okay

[uneven nymph]

kys?

oh

[limber lion]

But we're all a little toxic here and there

[uneven nymph]

shit

😭

[spice spire]

Not a good one

[limber lion]

Used to be on the filter.

Not anymore apparently

[spice spire]

That shouldn’t have gone through

[uneven nymph]

thats insane in a big discord

[spice spire]

Maybe people accidentally hit it saying keys

Surely

[limber lion]

Yeah I mean I've seen multiple of those instances

[royal lantern]

half the wow community hates class discords cus they actually borther pressing buttons in the right order, which automatically makes you a toxic elitist in their eyes

[limber lion]

Back in the green name day

Maybe that's why it was removed

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

People rarely use it to attack people nowadays

[uneven nymph]

i mean from what i learnt, play fury war and just press things

[limber lion]

We've outgrown it

[vagrant moat]

maybe dumb question, but is there any wa to remind when to FoK in st?

i keep forgetting

[brittle fulcrum]

No its mostly that most of the people here are "Right" and push it on people

[uneven nymph]

i mean

they are sorta right

[limber lion]

Most WA packages have a tracker for it, pretty sure Whispyr's has one

[uneven nymph]

i do waaaaay more dps

than i was doing my own thing

[spice surge]

Just like mathematicians force 2+2=4 on us

[limber lion]

You can just yoink it from there

[brittle fulcrum]

Im used to it but most problems are really just because someone is trying to change someone elses mind

[limber lion]

There's no need to change someone's mind

When we're talking about facts

There's right and there's wrong

Either you believe what you're being told, or you're ignorant and refuse to do so

[brittle fulcrum]

I rest my case.

[limber lion]

Fine either way

[royal lantern]

after the darkest night you can do 1x FoK in ST, whisp WA pack tracks it aswell

[proven jasper]

[brittle fulcrum]

The only reasona Americans cant get along is we keep trying to change everyones minds. Opinions are like butts.

[limber lion]

Anyways, what should we make for lunch today?

I think I'm craving chicken hmm

[royal lantern]

im not american

tf

[brittle fulcrum]

Pancakes for lunch change my mind

[spice spire]

Like half the people here + aren’t American

[solar wyvern]

Quiet you, every country belongs to America.

[limber lion]

whats america

[proven jasper]

East coast represent

[brittle fulcrum]

Yea I realized as I was hitting enter its not unique to us I just say Americans cus its a SEVERE issue here

[royal lantern]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER

[limber lion]

Finnish people just don't talk to each other

Can't fight if you never socialize

[solar wyvern]

I am located in the 51st state!

[brittle fulcrum]

People here HATE eachother over simple matters of opinion its crazy

[solar wyvern]

Murica

[spice spire]

🦅

[royal lantern]

i only hate outlaw players

[brittle fulcrum]

Hit me with all the Murica jokes youve got in this world cus I just started living on a shooting range in Texas and I couldnt tell the difference between new years and a normal tuesday night

We blew up the sky again

[brittle fulcrum]

Am I on that list if Im going outlaw to stay alive better while skinning?

That islly group skinning where we pull like assholes and then a frost mage fucks with us for having wm on

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

no

there is a difference bettwen playing outlaw and a outlaw player

[weary spear]

I thought the value of gathering was in the gutter

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasrD6SZkZk

😂

[royal lantern]

you dont make millions, but its still some gold

[rotund oak]

dont wanna ruin the narrative but u do millions

(if u arent bored ofc)

[dawn seal]

OMG GUYS

I DID I T

I DID PURPLE PARSE

[spice spire]

Proud of you homie

[dawn seal]

thanks

MAN

[limber lion]

Gg

[radiant raven]

hell yeah, nice work

[brittle fulcrum]

Is it? Cus I paid full gold price for two wow tokens and didnt bat an eye tbh it didnt seem that bad to gather

[waxen oyster]

People often don't ask things that are opinionated.

Stats not mattering is objectively true.

[brittle fulcrum]

They make a difference but not enough to stress over.

[waxen oyster]

People think their subjective "feel" is fact and get pissy over it.

[brittle fulcrum]

That makes me wonder how you feel about haste

[waxen oyster]

Especially since raidbots will tell you what is objectively better.

[waxen oyster]

It's a stat

more stat more damage

[brittle fulcrum]

Mm, how many different specs you play friend

[waxen oyster]

Other classes you can 100% feel the impact of haste

Due to gcd

[silver wharf]

why only 3 poisons? assa? question

[proven jasper]

Haste on warrior is a chefs kiss

But you dont notice it for shit on rogue

[waxen oyster]

Haste on enhance

[waxen oyster]

That's not recommended

[waxen oyster]

Unless you're outlaw and got a haste tax

[silver wharf]

Sorry, so I should only put 3 poisons or all 4?

[proven jasper]

Atleast its not an entirely dead stat for them now

[waxen oyster]

all 4 due to lethal dose

If you want to do damage

[brittle fulcrum]

How much haste tax are we talking

[waxen oyster]

8-10% if HO, 18-20% if KIR

[brittle fulcrum]

Youd say theres a minimum haste on OL

[proven jasper]

yes there is

[silver wharf]

speed only 3 poison That's why I asked

[brittle fulcrum]

He didnt care enough to put crippling on

If hes bossing it might be immune to crippling anyway

[brittle fulcrum]

LMAO

[waxen oyster]

He might be doing a strat where slowing the pack ints the setup.

For your average player all 4 poisons is optimal damage.

[proven jasper]

Yeah sometimes theres good reason to not run crippling but in 99% of keys you run it yeah

[brittle fulcrum]

?

[waxen oyster]

lethal dose

[proven jasper]

lethal dose makes you do morw damage based on the poisons affecting the target

[waxen oyster]

or whichever the talent was that gave you more

[brittle fulcrum]

Ahhh ya got mee I forgot something

[proven jasper]

[waxen oyster]

Like in your average pug slowing the pack is probably beneficial for your tank

NGL

[brittle fulcrum]

lethal dose, aka the only reason I dont scream about doom blade

[waxen oyster]

I mean doomblade sucks ass

if we didnt need to pick it to path into sbs

it'd likely have a 0% pickrate

[brittle fulcrum]

But it gives us bonespike and lethal dose kekw

[waxen oyster]

It's sad tbh

Doomblade USED to be good

in legion/SL

[brittle fulcrum]

Im more worried about sepsis

[waxen oyster]

💀

oh hell nah

[brittle fulcrum]

xD

I MISS MY EXTRA CHEAP SHOT

[spice spire]

Flag or bust

[waxen oyster]

cheapshot in pve

[proven jasper]

On god

[brittle fulcrum]

Eye interrupts have to happen and its better than having to spend on kidney

[waxen oyster]

flag fits sub more

[proven jasper]

It fits perfectly

[waxen oyster]

I mean I'm going to be honest if it's not targetting me.

[brittle fulcrum]

ahahah

[waxen oyster]

And someone elses kick is up.

[proven jasper]

Aint my JOB

[waxen oyster]

Their fault they have release spirit

on their screen

[brittle fulcrum]

Meanwhile im the rogue that carries jumper cables

[waxen oyster]

Yeah if you get rezzed by me

chances its in a terrible spot

are very high

anytime rogue is in the meta you can tell the fotm/alt rogues pretty quickly.

By who actually uses stuns during cds.

[proven jasper]

Thats why sub is bis

So easy to throw out a kidney/cheap

[waxen oyster]

during dance is cursed

[brittle fulcrum]

lmaooo

[proven jasper]

True but

Id still do it for the homies

[waxen oyster]

its not about the energy

its the global

[proven jasper]

Right

but counter argument

[waxen oyster]

It really depends on the comp

[proven jasper]

Being alive>wasted global

[waxen oyster]

Like if im in a group with a ret and he has both hoj AND kick for a cast.

Well

[brittle fulcrum]

All im saying is when they bring Sepsis back il go back to arenas

[waxen oyster]

💀

You didnt even play sepsis

except a brief moment in s3

Actually sub has minorly played it in df

[proven jasper]

it was a cursed time when sub played it

[waxen oyster]

because one extra dot ticking in duel helps kill

If setup properly

[proven jasper]

but when assa played it

We didnt play kb

it was just dm and sepsis

No kb

[waxen oyster]

sub unironically just takes it

to increase the chance someone dies to the ticking damage

in stun duels

[brittle fulcrum]

lmaoo

[waxen oyster]

in s3 sl it was kinda bad outside stuns

unless you queued into resto shamans who had no poison dispel

and just got outskilled

[brittle fulcrum]

your sure its not to get a cheapshot without having to use a global during dance? 😭

[waxen oyster]

No you can ask most of them it was setup for the damage

if your target lives by like 5-10% which sepsis could have done

in the stun chain

[proven jasper]

100%

[waxen oyster]

Why they always set up ruptures before going too

The extra damage just pushes people over

[brittle fulcrum]

I got my next hot take cooked up when your ready

[waxen oyster]

Dropping iron wire?

[subtle tundra]

coldest take

[brittle fulcrum]

No personally I dont agree with dropping iron. But thats because I pug keys

[winged sun]

slow poison is bad in somekeys

u need to disable it otherwise u group up mobs like a monkey and u lose way more dps than u would gain from lethal dose

[brittle fulcrum]

I keep it on unless my tank is overgeared or tells me big pulls

[silver wharf]

thanks

[brittle fulcrum]

or I notice its hurting us*

Obviously click it off if mobs arent stacking

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I mean it really depends on the key

and strat

[proven jasper]

Average player should never drop iw

[waxen oyster]

Your average pugger in the low/mid key range with tanks that do w key 3-4 mob pulls having no slow doesnt really do anything.

[winged sun]

i wouldn't remove slow poison in pugs

no need

ur just gonna know when to remove it when u rly need to

[brittle fulcrum]

I just got hit by mind piercer whats the class that needs mobs to stay permastacked and 100% still again? Fire mage? I try to click it off for fire mages too

[waxen oyster]

Generally speaking watching streamers do high keys

is a completely different environment than most people's key experience

[silver wharf]

maybe city and ara kara?

[waxen oyster]

pug tanks don't pull enough

to justify taking it off.

or they pull too much get onetapped

and ragequit the group

either instance

[brittle fulcrum]

Oh yea, the difference between us and Speed is the little things ya know

[pure moth]

Even tanks i know pull like pansies

[brittle fulcrum]

a thousand little things we would never think of that he does better

[waxen oyster]

You get pansy tanks or guys who think they're yoda

[brittle fulcrum]

YODA

If I was on a power trip let me tell you I dont think id picture myself as yoda

[waxen oyster]

Idk who streams tank keys nowadays

him and dorki?

[winged sun]

wouldn't remove it in city, u need the dps in those packs after 2nd boss

also u dont poison at the start just bleed garrotes ruptures till tank groups up everything

btw

ur biggest dps gain as an assa rogue in keys is learning how to dps as early as possible without taking aggro

i did 18m dps 1st pull NW (without mid pack)

didnt waste a single gcd from the tank's first gcd

[waxen oyster]

just play tricks

[spice surge]

And not having enhancements that kill your target before kingsbane is done

[winged sun]

it takes a lot of practice to pull it off tho i think

[proven jasper]

Just play trickster fr

[winged sun]

i always tell my grp not to atk gatekeeper

i solo it

same with golem 1st pull in SV

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

Average enhance player

[spice surge]

Ye but if my enhance gets good procs and does 29M

[waxen oyster]

When ascendance is up

[spice surge]

It dies anyway

[brittle fulcrum]

Unless your willing to click sprint to keep up and rupture everything the tank touches while tricks is still up like I have been

[winged sun]

i basically have 9 ruptures (all 5+ cp) before reaching the gatekeeper

[spice surge]

Atleast on 17

[winged sun]

and building them is all garrotes+1 fok sometimes

or 2

[brittle fulcrum]

I assume its harder if you dont wanna click sprint but I just click it

[winged sun]

nah 1

[waxen oyster]

Do you even need 9?

scent stops at 5

[winged sun]

no but

what would u use ur cp at

xd

[waxen oyster]

Oh if you're still gathering sure

[winged sun]

ruptures do alot of dps

u need to know that

and

[waxen oyster]

this is higher keys gatekeeper gather

[winged sun]

i always play full bleed build in NW

[waxen oyster]

I think most pugs stop where the gatekeeper is?

[winged sun]

sudden demise+sanguine blades

yes

they do

u can get 9 ruptures in

'before reaching him

[waxen oyster]

Secret chinese tech?

[winged sun]

its rly good

[waxen oyster]

No its a meme since it was in whispyr's guide

but people pretend its "new"

[winged sun]

u dont need ttk unless ur staying sin for last 2 bosses maybe

i go sub for last 2

so i dont need ttk

[brittle fulcrum]

How hot are your keys

[winged sun]

wdym by how hot

[waxen oyster]

he needs to rename back to tompelvis

[spice spire]

Zeross is sweating

[waxen oyster]

for the true key experience

[spice spire]

24/7

[brittle fulcrum]

What level keys

[winged sun]

well i stopped wow for 7 months

im back 2-3 weeks ago

highest is 17

kinda stuck but what can u do

[winged sun]

dude

[brittle fulcrum]

Whats the lowest you do lately 😛

[winged sun]

i end GB at above 3m overall

[silver wharf]

I thought the maximum was 5 ruptures

[winged sun]

and

its not even enough to time the key

tanks just die to dumb shit

24/7

[subtle tundra]

you can have as many as you want

[winged sun]

?? ofc not xdd

[subtle tundra]

5 is the minimum

[winged sun]

5 is min ye

for the buff

[subtle tundra]

its not like they stop working

[winged sun]

u only need 5 for agi buff

[brittle fulcrum]

Well said

[winged sun]

idk why ppl think 5 ruptures is enough

u rly need to prebleed to do the highest dps possible

[spice surge]

Because its better to start envenoming

[waxen oyster]

They're doing lower keys

[spice surge]

With spatter

Than continue to spread

[waxen oyster]

Where its better to go into envenoms

[winged sun]

nah eleem i always bleed before i have the chance to envenom

[brittle fulcrum]

For some reason people dont look at rupture and think hmm, thats the single highest damage iv ever seen on one global

[spice spire]

Not the m+ discussion again

[winged sun]

whenever i get to envenom i always have atleast 5-9 ruptures

depending on the packs

[spice surge]

Well envenom does more

With spatter

[subtle tundra]

sssshhhh

dont tell him about CT

[waxen oyster]

wasnt he playing the bleed build

[silver wharf]

kk

[subtle tundra]

"bleed" for him is not playing TTK

he is an outlaw player

[brittle fulcrum]

Brother im not even geared and my rupture is 1.8m tooltip

[waxen oyster]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

he cant really think that much

[winged sun]

?

[waxen oyster]

its not the no dtb one

[winged sun]

u wanna dps race me or what

see how ur envenom does

[proven jasper]

Tooltips

[subtle tundra]

zeross

[brittle fulcrum]

as a quick and dirty refrence

[winged sun]

already got my r1 logs on mythic the spec is braindead

[subtle tundra]

youre so hard to fucking talk to

cause nothing i say gets understood

its like

[proven jasper]

Outlaw brain

[subtle tundra]

you only read 1/3rd of the words

[proven jasper]

Brain is degraded

[subtle tundra]

i fucking swear

[winged sun]

idk why everyone here gets mad outlaw chat is chill af

[subtle tundra]

yea go there

please

[brittle fulcrum]

THANKYOU

Man its cus sin is meta

[winged sun]

why are u mad tho

[silver wharf]

I was playing outlaw but I wanted to try ASSA and I think I still have a lot of things to learn

[proven jasper]

[winged sun]

my guy thinks im an outlaw main only

[subtle tundra]

please go to the outlaw channel

[winged sun]

i literally play all specs

[subtle tundra]

yea idc go to outlaw channel so they have to suffer

not us

[winged sun]

stay mad

didnt say anything wrong cuh

[subtle tundra]

rio?

wr?

[brittle fulcrum]

No Im just saying thats the reason people here are kinda hostile. When people are trying to be one of the best they get an attitude ya know

[silver wharf]

sorry

[brittle fulcrum]

"This is the factual best way and your simply wrong and I have to change your mind"

[subtle tundra]

bro stop

[spice spire]

I mean

[proven jasper]

I just miss when i could check this chat and my autism levels wouldn’t rise 600%

[spice spire]

Yes

[winged sun]

i mean

i already timed many r1 keys

idc about what he thinks

[subtle tundra]

didnt you want to talk to a dev or smth

[winged sun]

why are u always mad

im actually curious

[subtle tundra]

im not mad?

[winged sun]

not even whispyr talks like this

[subtle tundra]

its just that you never understand what i type

and take shit out of context

like 3 minutes ago

[winged sun]

wdym take shit out of context i didnt send ur msg's to someone

[subtle tundra]

sfsdij

nah

someone

[winged sun]

im just trying to talk about ttk and sanguine blades

[subtle tundra]

put me out of my misery

take me out

[winged sun]

and u just went nuts

[subtle tundra]

fucking gun me

[proven jasper]

[winged sun]

u got a problem bud

\

[brittle fulcrum]

Went nuts on me too blatant troll I think

[subtle tundra]

if this shit is real

[brittle fulcrum]

I dunno man he seems to like being annoying

[subtle tundra]

i need a lobotomy

[winged sun]

?

are u dumb

or what

[proven jasper]

Seems like u guys are dogpiling varas

[spice spire]

Can we not

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

I’m already over it

[winged sun]

hes literally trying to trigger himself

for no reason

[spice spire]

Varas should type nicer.
But this is also varas and who he is

[winged sun]

i see

[brittle fulcrum]

lmaoo

[spice spire]

Like it took me a tier to get used to it

[proven jasper]

Nah idk i kinda understand him, you guys are like reading right past what he’s saying tho

[brittle fulcrum]

"Boys will be boys"

[subtle tundra]

zeross youre one of the densest people ive ever had the displeasure of typing to

[spice spire]

But he brings up valid points

And it’s just glossed over

[brittle fulcrum]

Nah man. Lock that guy up

[proven jasper]

Ur not helping

Dawg

[winged sun]

[winged sun]

watch him get triggered 200x out of that emote

[subtle tundra]

every time i read your conversations, its almost like you dont connect the words

[proven jasper]

💀

[subtle tundra]

and just type whatever

[brittle fulcrum]

To be fair I did because what zeros is claiming, Iv had nothing but the exact same and I kinda trust it LUL

[subtle tundra]

so i cant ever ever ever take you serious

[winged sun]

i've never seen someone get triggered this hard out of nothing

interesting

[spice spire]

Let’s just end it fellas

[subtle tundra]

this is the most mild conversation ive had

[winged sun]

i see

[subtle tundra]

you have not seen me argument with seli

[spice spire]

Oh god

[winged sun]

not that i need to see but ok

[spice spire]

I forgot

About that

[brittle fulcrum]

KEKW

[winged sun]

wait

arent u the guy

[proven jasper]

Can we talk about how they need to make shadow blades work with sectech instead

[winged sun]

with that smiley face yellow pixel guy

who came in outlaw channel time to time

asking random outlaw questions

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

i remember u now

[subtle tundra]

?

[brittle fulcrum]

Lets just buff outlaw to top spec

[proven jasper]

No

[brittle fulcrum]

while we at it

[proven jasper]

outlaw is historically good anyways

Not needed

[brittle fulcrum]

Historically easy

[proven jasper]

not rlly but yeah sure

[subtle tundra]

idk what youre trying to say zeross

[brittle fulcrum]

Im just talking shit I didnt play enough of it to know

kekw

[winged sun]

outlaw is good guys dw

[proven jasper]

Capp

[winged sun]

1st boss boss dmg

[subtle tundra]

yea someone asked or something

[proven jasper]

Outlaw isnt #1 m+ spec for the first xpac in 4 years

Its over

No cap

[subtle tundra]

assa gets tuned high for m+ once, outlaw dead forever

[winged sun]

i like sin

good gameplay in m+

[spice spire]

So real

[subtle tundra]

(ignoring sub being good basically all the time since the rework)

[proven jasper]

[brittle fulcrum]

I also like sin thats why I want the meta reeers to go play outlaw

[winged sun]

sin is actually hard in m+

harder than current outlaw

to fully minmax

[proven jasper]

Zeross

[brittle fulcrum]

Oh dont stroke they ego like that

[proven jasper]

Assa or sub harder to minmax

in m+

go

[winged sun]

ass ofc

its not even close

[proven jasper]

[subtle tundra]

current assa m+ is not hard wtf

[winged sun]

everyone says that till i play with them

and do 500-800k more

overall

[subtle tundra]

ok

rio?

[winged sun]

i literally remember 1 month ago i played with a rogue who had 9 more ilvls than me

[brittle fulcrum]

Can we talk about how making thisle tea passive was a nerf

[winged sun]

and i destroyed him

[brittle fulcrum]

4Head

[winged sun]

dps race me varas

tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy youre good

[winged sun]

we'll see how easy sin is

[subtle tundra]

ego stroking much?

[proven jasper]

1v1 me sub

[subtle tundra]

holy shit

[winged sun]

no but ur saying its easy

[proven jasper]

irl

[winged sun]

[brittle fulcrum]

Repeating everything we hear and projecting much?

[proven jasper]

[winged sun]

yea its easy to double rupture and envenom insta

sin main too

[subtle tundra]

are you zeross' pet now?

[brittle fulcrum]

I gotta stop clicking expand on these blocked messages men its wild every time

[rotund oak]

do you have the number behind this claim?

[subtle tundra]

bring back the fucking regulars

please

[brittle fulcrum]

Pause

[rotund oak]

?

[proven jasper]

I miss when tyran was posting the hottest takes

[brittle fulcrum]

Fucking hello?

[proven jasper]

Cuz they were funny

[winged sun]

tryan has hotter takes than guy

[brittle fulcrum]

like what man you remember any?

[proven jasper]

Actually true LMAOOO

Guy’s takes are another classic

[waxen oyster]

Guy hasn't had that spicy takes last 2 expacs.

[winged sun]

dude

[waxen oyster]

Besides saying sub is the best spec in raid

[winged sun]

u didnt read his takes

[rotund oak]

yes plz

[winged sun]

at all

bro

[proven jasper]

Bro his sub takes

[winged sun]

his takes are so hot they can burn lava

[radiant raven]

this is true, sub rules

[winged sun]

im not even kidding

[waxen oyster]

BFA guy was a special kind of thing.

[proven jasper]

Are insane

[winged sun]

dude

[spice spire]

BFA guy was once in a generation content

[brittle fulcrum]

Not the only time iv heard this

[winged sun]

guy has really hot ass takes

u guys just dont read them

[waxen oyster]

so real

[spice spire]

Mf I ain’t read a day in my life

[waxen oyster]

Compared to his BFA takes I'd disagree.

He's toned it down

sm

[proven jasper]

Idk he had some in df also that were wild

[winged sun]

dude

wait i remember when i joined tryan's guild

and he got benched because he was playing ass

[rotund oak]

bfa pirate chat in general

😂

[waxen oyster]

Yeah because whatever spec is meta

is where the brainrot goes