assassination

[spice spire]

Yeah live your life, it’s fine.
If ST becomes a wall you have to overcome. Back to the MA mines

[coarse summit]

if the ST of MA is the wall, play enh

[spice spire]

So true bestie

Why have one when you can have both

[coarse summit]

clearly the guy doesnt wanna play rogue 😄

[spice spire]

I’ve been a one trick for uh.
5 years now? Love rogue

[coarse summit]

not you

[flint star]

Rogue is one of the few reasons I play this shit game

Never reroll

The only reroll I do is sub > assa

[runic hinge]

I have 4 portals now

[spice spire]

Hell yeah king

Let’s make it 8

[runic hinge]

We will get there

Spec is kinda bonkers in keys

[grim jay]

Scrub

~14 years

[spice spire]

I got one of my healers that just came back yesterday a mists ten

He still has a 515 broodkeepers

[runic hinge]

I got my mists and stone vault today

Then my stone vault turned back into a mists

[spice spire]

Okay I played combat until vaults in mop and then took an 8 year break from throne

Get woke bozo

Vault one of the shittier keys

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Machine-ests kinda a bitch

[hollow river]

i think he's on that "assa MUST have restealths every pack" type shi

my homie came over yesterday, he tanks/heals

[flint star]

Assuming much, but ok

[hollow river]

and even he told me every assa rogue he runs into in keys asks him to let them restealth every pack or they flip

i thought it was so funny

[flint star]

Have you ever been in a situation when your tnak chain pulls 1 mob at 10% hp?

[hollow river]

i'm just jokin around man don't read into it

[flint star]

Isn't it triggering?

[spice spire]

Yes and no on that order

I just take the L and move on

[snow quest]

So finish the mob and stealth

[spice spire]

My guild actively tries to do it to me

So I cba

[flint star]

Spending like 8 gcds to apply your dots so you can do damage is fun

[spice spire]

I’ll do a bit

But in the end we time the key who cares

[flint star]

Like 1 pull does not matter

[spice spire]

My ego isn’t tied to doing 3m dps so I’m fine.

Not saying yours is fwiw

[flint star]

After 3rd pull you have to remind your Yoda wannabe that he plays with rogue

[spice spire]

I also try to do my best to stealth even if the next pack is started if the straggler is far enough back

[flint star]

Ofc you do it

[spice spire]

Sometimes can’t avoid

[flint star]

Not always possible

[spice spire]

And sad

But is what it is

[flint star]

Meld is bis though

[snow quest]

You often have darkest night up in those situations too but sometimes it's not enough of course

[spice spire]

Like if you get clowned for damage lacking then you can definitely just say “would have personally done more if you didn’t chain poorly” and move on

As long as timed

I’m stoked

[runic hinge]

I have meld and 2 vanishes I am worried about one pack a dungeon max

[spice spire]

Bottom fragger, idc.

[flint star]

I'm pugging 13s now and to tanks credit they often know not to chain pull

[spice spire]

Love that

[bronze pike]

not surprised

[flint star]

But they still pull second caster on the first miniboss in Ara-Kara...

[snow quest]

Unless you somehow forget not to group with fdks

[flint star]

For some reason I never get invited in the dk groups...

[snow quest]

They want enh of course

[flint star]

And AUG which is a scam in a low key pug

[snow quest]

Mhm

But if the group already has enh and aug the chance to get an invite as assa feels pretty high

[waxen oyster]

Aug is scamaz

would rather have druid buff

[flint star]

Is there a single reason to invite assa over fdk?

I can't find one

[waxen oyster]

No

[blazing pumice]

shroud

better aoe

[snow quest]

For buff in cot maybe

[flint star]

But people play disc anyway

So...

Maybe siege for better use of dmg pots but it does not matter

[blazing pumice]

rogue is a liability in siege

[snow quest]

Groups without priest sometimes want us for shroud I guess

[royal lantern]

what spec would stu play

[spice surge]

More damage

[flint star]

Really?

[snow quest]

Aoe at least

[blazing pumice]

sin does huge damage on every aoe pull

[flint star]

But you don't want to chain pull with rogue

[blazing pumice]

fdk is flat when they don't have bos up

[flint star]

And chain pulls speed up keys

[winged quail]

FDK are unkillable monsters tho

[golden loom]

assa likes good chain pulling

[flint star]

And they have AMZ

And grips

[golden loom]

going into packs with full stacks of scent is nice

[flint star]

I mean if you pull some fat guy with 50% hp I don't mind

It's better for speed

[spice surge]

Theres a reason the boomie/assa top groups have faster times than fdk

[waxen oyster]

I mean the annoying chains are the people who leave

one 10% straggler

[golden loom]

I mean there is probably no class that likes bad chaining

thats not a rogue specific problem

[winged quail]

it's the 5% mobs that get chain pulled and spatter on the new mobs before you can break combat that hurt

[waxen oyster]

Yeah bad tank

[winged quail]

good chain pulls are always nice

[royal lantern]

assa is 1 of the best Specs for chainpulls wdym

how many other specs can say "i have 20% more mainstat when stuff is still allive"

[dapper cradle]

Sub is fine for chain pulls too

[waxen oyster]

Most tanks arent doing good chainpulls

[flint star]

Especially when it's one mob at 10% hp

[waxen oyster]

they’re doing the singular 5-10% straggler one

[flint star]

We are talking about bad chains

[royal lantern]

bad "chains" fuck everyone

[spice spire]

Call me bad chains

[flint star]

One of my favorite bands called Alice in Chains

[warm vortex]

Hey everyone, hope your well
Wondering if the ring has an easy catch-up
Right now I’m horribly Ill so idk if I can play wow
Tbh I started shivering like 5 min ago, feel like I’m freezing despite last night I felt boiling

[spice spire]

Yes it does

Take care of yourself first and foremost

Get some rest ven

And to see a doc or something pls

[warm vortex]

Yeye ofc

Idk I think it’s just a regular flu or something
Sadly I can’t sleep tho, it takes like an hour and I wake up within 2 or 3 hours

[spice spire]

Take the week off homie. Wow will be here when you’re better sickness is srs business

[warm vortex]

Oh ofc!
Not played wow in a week or so anyway
Staying home from work as I feel weak

[balmy condor]

Alice a freak fr

[runic hinge]

Fury warrior

[timber gate]

boys i missed LAST WEEK RING UPGRADE Am i stuck with 645?

[latent gazelle]

have to make new account

get new ring on said account

[timber gate]

NO CAN I not get 649 ?

No can i not get *

My caps lock tripping

[latent gazelle]

no idea.

[royal lantern]

not havoc dh?

[spice spire]

645 is the current

Or am I lit

[waxen oyster]

645 if you didnt abuse faction change resetting the quest

[spice spire]

Yeah but like

I touch grass

So I did not

[waxen oyster]

[royal lantern]

how

i ate it all

[spice spire]

Because I call @balmy condor grass

[golden loom]

I only host "zerg queen 2/2/6 curved only 900+ ilvl link logs" groups since the faction change bug was discovered

[fallow canopy]

how about you touch DN

[spice spire]

I might

[spice spire]

Curved to the left or right

[fallow canopy]

damn wasn't expecting that, now I'm all flustered and shit

[coral ibex]

got you covered

[spice spire]

Hell yeah brother

[golden loom]

To the left, and also I do not accept people with logged normal mode kills because that is casual.

[fallow canopy]

👑 you dropped this

[coral ibex]

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that (both)

[thorn thorn]

Based asf

[runic hinge]

He does have the hunt

[coral ibex]

hello vend

[warm vortex]

Hi :(

[coral ibex]

how was your christmas

[warm vortex]

Was ok
Got illness from a family member tho

[coral ibex]

that stinks 😦

i was sick the weekend before christmas but luckily it cleared up by christmas

[timber gate]

i saw people have 649

how

[hollow river]

abusing bug

[coral ibex]

they bought faction or server changes

[timber gate]

wth

[coral ibex]

who gives a shit, you will even out with them in a month

[fallow canopy]

20$ for 0.x% dps stonks

[spice spire]

In garbage time of the season

Let’s go

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

Very silly people indeed

[coral ibex]

ugh my guild full of POORS won't drop $150 on faction swaps to max their ring and that's why i won't get CE

[fallow canopy]

tru

[runic hinge]

Report them for griefing

[royal lantern]

automated system should detect that level of griefing tbh

[jade abyss]

They fixed the event for the gems? Or they still bugged?

[spice spire]

Still bugged afaik

[subtle tundra]

mine is both. left first then a bit right. kinda weird

if you account for both, its basically straight.

[humble verge]

man

fuck cot

so close to timing 16

heal died last boss sadge

and tank spent 300 years cring

[static geyser]

how much %gain is ttk on st

[waxen oyster]

Sim with and without

Probably minor

[blazing pumice]

depends what you are dropping

[waxen oyster]

I mean yeah assa is just not a good st spec

in any m+ build

[fading vigil]

what talent tree do i use for the silken court

[balmy condor]

single target with caustic

[fading vigil]

oaky question

on pull for ST do i pop poitions before or mid kingsbane? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

what

[fading vigil]

when i'm doing cds

when do i pop potions

[balmy condor]

with deathmark obviously

that's your big burst

[mild jacinth]

what target count should i look to maintain crimson tempest? 2+ or more?

[balmy condor]

2 yes

[ripe carbon]

in silken court, do u crimson tempest with single target build?

or is it only a m+ build thing for 2+ targets

[balmy condor]

would be difficult to crimson tempest if you're not talented into it

[ripe carbon]

ah ya thats rihgt lol

[fading vigil]

@balmy condor do you do any log reviews?

[balmy condor]

sometimes ye

[solar wyvern]

Out of curiousity whats the best way to sim boss damage for m+? Patchwork 3 min?

Or just dslice it up

Wanna see the gains and losses of going forced induction+dashing scoundrel over 2x Lethality and SD

[balmy condor]

patchwerk 3 min is fine I guess

[fading vigil]

i sent you a message Whispy! if you have time

[solar wyvern]

Thx dude

[tame dome]

what do you guys recommend gem wise?

[balmy condor]

crit/mast

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[solar wyvern]

I was lookin at timed run leaderboard, in 17 gb theres some neat chinese tech

thats wild

[balmy condor]

that's not even tech

[lunar sonnet]

thats a monstrocity

[balmy condor]

????

[lunar sonnet]

if thats how you spell that

what on earth

[solar wyvern]

not the only person to run it either, im guessing you just say fk boss dam and let your enh sham do the word

[solar wyvern]

and you're in for IW and good overall

[runic hinge]

It’s the bleed build lol

[balmy condor]

it's in the fucking guide

what are you idiots on

[lunar sonnet]

LOL

[solar wyvern]

Oh LOL

[lunar sonnet]

bro it looks mad weird

[balmy condor]

it's just standard ass bleed build

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ngl I don't read guides mb

[runic hinge]

Yeah I like to be uninformed too

[lunar sonnet]

i got so scared not seeing the middle of the tree

sent me into shock

[balmy condor]

it's not even that much worse single target

it's more aoe and execute and big kaboom bleed stuff

[runic hinge]

Okay I’ll play it for the rest of the week

[balmy condor]

but it's basically equal in single target cause zold and blindside are so strong

like it's totally fine

[solar wyvern]

hmm

[balmy condor]

varas played it in a bunch of keys

[solar wyvern]

No time like the present, time to play around with it :p

[lunar sonnet]

we really can run whatever the number of combinations and it just doesnt matter i guess

[solar wyvern]

Do you think since blindside is run, tightspender still better? im sure its been simmed but I was just curious

[balmy condor]

yes

[solar wyvern]

bet

[lunar sonnet]

so like, whats the benefit of that one? you recommended it in lower stuff so i kinda just wrote it off for higher things

[balmy condor]

more bleeda

big bleeda

aoe brrrr

[solar wyvern]

brrrr

[lunar sonnet]

monk comp build

[somber sparrow]

my veins are filled with poison. I don't bleed.

[lunar sonnet]

bleed

[balmy condor]

it's the build you play when you already don't give a fuck about your single target so might as well full commit to aoe bleed blasting

[lunar sonnet]

okay thats cool then

[strange python]

That would make a pretty soft John

[somber sparrow]

hard to say, really

[strange python]

soft to say

[balmy condor]

I'm hard

what

[lunar sonnet]

🇼

[runic hinge]

Hi hard I’m dad

[balmy condor]

daddy shi fr on god

keep that energy tony you a king

[runic hinge]

[somber sparrow]

[balmy condor]

hard

[runic hinge]

Just like you

[dapper cradle]

[dawn heath]

Did they pump tho doubt it

Aoe must be non existant without amp poison

And no ttk

Might try it for memes though

[balmy condor]

its concerning that the first issue you see is the lack of aoe with a talent that is not primarily aoe

[dawn heath]

Not sure why they would run it in grim batol valiona boss dies on 50% or whatever so u dont even get value from execute talent

I could see it be less bad in city maybe

What do you take if u remove ironwire

Arterial precision?

[balmy condor]

you would go imp poison

[dawn heath]

Really?

[runic hinge]

Not enough points to get ap

[balmy condor]

it's either that or lightweight shiv

[dawn heath]

Better than fatal conc too?

[balmy condor]

fatal conc is super ass lmao

[dawn heath]

Ah you need a point to get down in the tree?

[balmy condor]

well you can't take the iron wire point out and put it into arterial cause you can't have 11 points in the bottom area

[bright tartan]

Not with that attitude

[balmy condor]

yeah true

but yeh weapon poisons with DTB are like what

MAYBE 7%?

10% of 7% huge dps gain holy poggers fatal conc gogogo

fatal conc is just a barrier point for amp/ttk the same way doomblade is a barrier point for sbs

except doomblade is like

2x as strong as fatal conc

[dawn heath]

Lets see if he actually did any damage

Gonna look up logs

There are no logs of 17 did this guy pull this comment out of his ass

With this build

[balmy condor]

he said he looked up timed runs on raider.io

[dawn heath]

Raiderio talents can not be trusted if Thats how you view it. It tends to bug out alot

[balmy condor]

[solar wyvern]

15 gb

with bleed

not bad

[dawn heath]

Was that with this hipster build show dmg breakdown

[novel star]

what hipster build man

it’s just bleed

[dawn heath]

And boss damage

[novel star]

the bleed build that has been a recommended option for like

since the rework

or

?

like the dragonflight rework ?

[dawn heath]

Ok but it has 0.000001% play rate

[novel star]

who gives a fuck man

when has pick rate ever mattered ever for anything

god

[dawn heath]

So surely if it held any merit it would see more play

Dont know why you are yapping

[soft surge]

that chinese bleed build is epic

[dawn heath]

Show dmg breakdown and boss damage if u have it still or a log

[runic hinge]

Not it’s definitely brand new Chinese tech never before seen or heard of

[novel star]

no?

that’s not how it works and never has been and never will be

popularity doesn’t mean anything

in any game

stop

i cant take it

[dawn heath]

Smh

[solar wyvern]

probably sub optimal since I was over piroing bleeds and silences

[dawn heath]

Okay what about boss dam

First boss second boss

[solar wyvern]

Im away from pc now but first boss was like 950k

Ill look a lil later and dm u

[dawn heath]

Ye no aug so i guess thats decent

[solar wyvern]

Second boss we pulled the 2 triple packs into so it was good boss dps with funnel

[dawn heath]

Kinda hard to compare to my run cause we ran aug

[solar wyvern]

Yeah aug makes comparisons so weird

[dawn heath]

This is 16gb with regular build

We had a bunch of deaths tho

[solar wyvern]

Yeah that looks about right for aug normal builds

Did u run IW?

[dawn heath]

Ye

[solar wyvern]

Yeah so you're missing like 5% dps too so idk

Bleed build was fun tho, blindside procs make dopamine go brrr

[dawn heath]

But why play this in grim?

Or did u test it in more keys

[solar wyvern]

I just tried and discovered it today lol, apparently its in the guide lol

Varas would know more

[dawn heath]

I need to do some sims is our st good with this

[solar wyvern]

Its pretty similar with execute and blindside

Just not perfect

[dawn heath]

Not any better?

[solar wyvern]

No this is definitely for overall

Like i said, I played suboptimally so it can go higher

[dawn heath]

I mean surely it must be better on st and worse on overall if u take execute talent

[solar wyvern]

Idk about that, amp poison/poison bomb does a lot of damage

[solar wyvern]

Hey forgive me for my ignorance haha

[soft surge]

are bleeds lethal poisons

[coral ibex]

no, they're bleeds

[rotund oak]

bleed build is poggers

[balmy condor]

:worldofwarcraft:

[slate crown]

Yeah but are they lethal poisons

[soft surge]

theres 1 second left of kingsbane, i can either max envenom or refresh the ruptue thats 1 second from expiring

what do i do

[coral ibex]

i had to read that like 5 times before i was confident in what it said

[rotund oak]

no they are bleeds

[rotund oak]

i normally evaluate the time something's about to die but if i got DN rdy i send envenom

whispyr should know the edge case

[solar wyvern]

Are lethal bleeds poisons?

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I hope to god this chat for the last hour is just haha funny meme

cause if we are fr

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

How many stacks of DSM do I have

[balmy condor]

I have officially lost all hope in us as a community

[solar wyvern]

Hey since you're here, bleeds chinese tech? Asking for a friend

Saw it on rio front page

I would NEVER shitpost in the ass channel

[balmy condor]

I’d hope all of this is a shitpost

[coral ibex]

i would

that shit rocks

[slate crown]

Like looking at a word you've spelled correctly for your entire life and being like "that word looks really god damn funny, there's no way that's the real spelling of a word"

Like look at this word

"School"

what the fuck is that

there's no way that's a real word with that fucked up spelling

[slate crown]

there's 5 rn but there's a 6th coming out soon

[balmy condor]

It’s either shitpost, I’m in a nightmare, or people can just be full on stupid, not understand the spec they’re playing, have no knowledge of well-trodden guide content, and simply just spam m+

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Which after saying out loud yeah ya know kinda checks out

[coral ibex]

emplussers man

[soft surge]

i have read about 50% of 50% of all assa tooltips

[jade abyss]

Its all about the ass here

[solar wyvern]

Yeah haha who would not know about guide content haha yeah, next you're gonna tell me Crippling Poison increases our damage

[jade abyss]

Thats why i play assassination bcs its 2x ass in it o.o

[balmy condor]

…is… this? A shitpost

[soft surge]

i didnt even know arterial precision was some kinda chinese aoe shiv tech until i read the tooltip

[balmy condor]

Regardless, crippling poison is a dps increase for anyone reading that is confused

[solar wyvern]

Yessir lethal dosage goes brr

[runic hinge]

The only thing crippling is my anxiety

[rotund oak]

arterial shock we called it

(the build)

[balmy condor]

Rip shock

Lived a good life

[solar wyvern]

Chinese shiv

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

(2 seasons)

[coral ibex]

shock? deal 2 damage to any target?

i just got home from fnm so i have magic on the brain

[runic hinge]

I played it in some over 20 keys to make archon confused

[slate crown]

ohhh that's a fun idea

[rotund oak]

It becomes a problem when boys like casualdaddy testing stuff in keys,shimps check on everything they test and come back on this channel : ''Yo why casual using vicious venoms in that key'' and then the facepalm begins

''read the guide bro''

''but he did a +19,he knows better''

[waxen oyster]

You know, if people are swearing by what casual does why do they play nelf if he doesn't?

[rotund oak]

thats a good point

no money to race change

[soft surge]

causal thinks nelf is bugged

[bright tartan]

Don’t you have 30 rogues from remix

[soft surge]

i asked how is it and no reply

[runic hinge]

Only 3

[rotund oak]

also a good point,got nothing as a counter-argument

[jade abyss]

Not only 1 character xD

[royal lantern]

its in the name

dirty casual

smh my head

[waxen oyster]

That guy is playing maghar rn anyway

probably sims higher i imagine

[royal lantern]

not really

[waxen oyster]

Well i imagine orc still better

mainstat>

[royal lantern]

mate

race is 99% "vibes" based on what people say "is the best"

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it doesnt matter for 99% of people

[royal lantern]

like, you read the biggest bs in that regard all the time

[waxen oyster]

i just play dwarf because uhh

pug healers mildly trigger me

[royal lantern]

i rememeber the "i play blood elf because its the strongest race, and not because im a boring mf that Plays pointy ear human" mfs

[rotund oak]

i just play mechagnome coz ponytails

[waxen oyster]

blood elf strongest

what is this legion?

off gcd energy had its fucking

moments

[royal lantern]

racial "discussions" are a meme by default tbh

like, it doesnt matter for 99,999%

[waxen oyster]

yeah

sometimes i racechange due to boredom

[royal lantern]

and the mfs that say "but i need dwarf!!!!" are never doing content where you NEED dwarf, and would not press stoneform regardless lol

[waxen oyster]

dwarf is probably one of the most “useful” racials

even then not needed

i changed my purple class to nelf over belf because better mogs

[jade abyss]

Go panda or go home

[snow quest]

Undead has best animations imo

[radiant raven]

Goblin stealth animation is the pinnacle.

[lyric coral]

can i ask why this is not op on high keys ? like NW first pull this will silence all enemies ? or SV first pull also like they don't cast for 10 sec ?or i miss understand it

[solar wyvern]

Its used sometimes in GB and SV. Every other dungeon its not required with comms. Simple as.

As for NW, theres only 1 caster you're silencing in the first pull, gatekeepers are unaffected

Its good for pugs tho, amarth and narzudah for example are made easier with IW

[lyric coral]

ty u have good point , with good comms u don't need it

[solar wyvern]

That being said, unless you're doing like 15/16+ theres no real penalty to taking IW since keys are bricked by tank or group deaths, and not damage

[balmy condor]

it's majorly fallen out of favor for high end groups cause of prot paladin meta as well

was played much more without prot paladin

[simple garden]

hello. I just started with the rog assa and... garrote is supposed to silence the enemies, but mine doesn't silence anyone, how is that possible? I saw a video where the rogue was good at m+, because he garrote silence the enemies for 6 seconds and that was OP, but mine is not OP xD

[balmy condor]

I'm going to make a WILD guess considering you haven't read the above conversation and assume you also haven't read your abilities, instead opting to just copy whatever the first talent build you found on murlok or archon instead of reading a guide. The build you copied doesn't take iron wire, which is a talent on the right side of the tree which makes garrote silence enemies from stealth. Hope that helps, happy holidays

[grim jay]

did you just assume his approach ?

dang brother, its 2024

[young vault]

You’ll also run into a problem in some pugs where tanks like to chain pull into a lot of packs, meaning you won’t be able to stealth garrote. I asked for stealth for a rough pack once and our tank left, lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean that's not your call honestly tho

tank controls the route if the tank doesn't deem your iron wire necessary then that's his problem for pulling

[young vault]

Of course, it’s just.. frustrating.

[frail dust]

Is there still a google sheet with all the cloak/vanish interactions in m+/raid?

[simple garden]

OK. I'm sorry. and the build of silence is carried out? If I stick a stick, only silence the main target or the others too?

[balmy condor]

any target that gets hit with a stealth garrote, so carnage will silence 3 at a time

[balmy condor]

no

[simple garden]

Ok, I'm looking for a build that plays, but I can't find anyone who plays it. Isn't it worth it?

[balmy condor]

every build in every guide will take iron wire

the conversation above you explains why people aren't taking it

[subtle tundra]

Whispy you have patience

[balmy condor]

running low on it

[sharp viper]

I'm impressed you can even understand some of these questions

[rotund oak]

Humans > all

[snow quest]

[sharp viper]

Dw, you'll get a factory reset on new years

[subtle tundra]

Need my shit jorked

[sharp viper]

Hey guys, how does silence work? I try to flagelatte on my outlaw rogue but whenever I press frost strike, it doesn't silence

[polar jasper]

You have to put out your totem for it

[subtle tundra]

I'll self flagellate

[sharp viper]

For me that's assa progress on court

[soft surge]

why must we continue playing tricks when prot pala is meta

[subtle tundra]

I have yet to pull that boss on mythic

🥺

[sharp viper]

We don't? Blackjack can be great in coordinated groups

[soft surge]

i loved blackjack but all of a sudden in 11.0.5 everyone played tricks

[sharp viper]

Tank aggro got buffed recently, I don't think it's mandatory to have tricks. Especially with how little aggro we generate in the start

[soft surge]

yea that was the other reason

black jack and ironwire meta

[jade abyss]

Evetytime i skip tricks i die bcs tank is afk

[rotund oak]

skiping tricks in pugs is like forcing ur own death

lessons learned hard

[rotund oak]

''you like that,dont you?Dont you?''
-Sasha Grey-

[fading granite]

Hey - new to assa rogue, what is the go to build for M+ assa rogue - The guide says one thing, but Casualaddict is running a different build:
Can anyone help me explain?

[rotund oak]

Casual is playing a different game by pushing and minmaxing stuff that dont apply to pugs or lower keys.So no,you should trust the guide.Even if u copy/paste casual's build odds are you doing less dmg than you would do from the recommended one 🙂

[soft surge]

theres this new chinese aoe shiv bleed build getting around

[fading granite]

So this is the build i should go for?

[rotund oak]

yeah its currently the best overall.There are instances that you could swap iron wire for another node but thats pretty much it

its the universally optimal build to play

[fading granite]

Aight ty! I'll get back to you when i am at Casuals level 😉

[rotund oak]

could ask him urself fam

he is lurking in here anyway

[fading granite]

Okay okay - He is doing keys now i can see, i'll start by getting used to the spec 😄

[rotund oak]

patience and an open mind 😉

[fading granite]

Will go into assa with that mindset + reading the guide hehe

Oh - one thing about ambush/mutilate - do you guys have a cool macro? Or do you guys bind mutilate and ambush differently?

[golden loom]

I just replace my mutilate with ambush on stealth bar

everything else the same

[fading granite]

But then you keep ambushing while in subterfuge right?

[golden loom]

yeah doesnt matter

[fading granite]

It doesn't? Mutilate and ambush does the same dmg?

[golden loom]

ye

[fading granite]

Ah okay, i'll do that then 😄

[grim jay]

one pinned in wow-general

for vanish

[royal lantern]

what

man sap, why do you Sometimes throw around such giga cooked takes

[rotund oak]

laying a bait for u babe

i need attention

(still think tricks autolock,no questions asked)

[balmy condor]

Tricks is pointless

Stop pretending it does something

[rotund oak]

placebo gaming

[balmy condor]

Unless you’re pulling for your tank like what is the point

[rotund oak]

tanks that cant tank but ye i do that as well sometimes^^

also i wont fight you

[balmy condor]

Do you tricks on pull

Or are you waiting for kb

[rotund oak]

i tricks,press sprint pull the dragon and bottleneck him with the mobs on GB,tricks pull the pack on the maze in mists after 1st boss

smol stuff like that

its not something special,im usd to it,its scar'd in my brain

maybe a bad habbit idk

[balmy condor]

Pulling for your tank I can maybe sorta understand sometimes if your tank needs a far away pack

[rotund oak]

i care mostly for DN rather than my tank walking on hotwheels

serves us both ig

[balmy condor]

But tricks as an aggro tool is like so insanely braindead fucking stupid

[rotund oak]

yeah u rip agro pretty fast if the tank has his brain shut down

[balmy condor]

You don’t though

Other dps will get aggro before you, but even if you did get aggro, your tricks will not stop the aggro problem it’ll just shift it to the next highest dps if it’s that bad

[rotund oak]

yeah even that,there's the actual point for being stupid to tricks pull for ur tank

[balmy condor]

Especially in groups where people press buttons, like if you press tricks before a pull and then open, that’s what this guy did in a 17 and I cropped the 6 seconds tricks was active

In the 6 seconds tricks was active, the tank generated a crisp 300 million aggro

[golden loom]

just tricks the shaman, fuck that guy

[balmy condor]

The rogue tricks added 7.65 mil

[rotund oak]

thats significally less

[balmy condor]

Legit 2.5% of the total

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

From that mega tricks

[golden loom]

has the 22% tank threat even been added yet?

[rotund oak]

i think its active ye

[balmy condor]

And the next closest to ripping aggro is the shaman, who is doing 60 mil aggro in that window, which is a 5th of the aggro the tank generated to begin with regardless of your tricks

So like

Actually pointless

[balmy condor]

Yes it was a hotfix

And you need 110% to actually like transfer aggro and pull off the tank

So tank is doing 300 mil aggro, you need 330 mil to get aggro, and the rogue is doing 7.65

With a fucking Aug

Nice fucking button

[spice surge]

Mostly useless besides when the tank pulls something without shield/toll and havent really done damage to it yet

Spatter hits before most things so its possible to take a hit before consecration or whatever ticks

[balmy condor]

The spatter that you apply like 8 seconds into a pull?

How slow is your consecrate ticking

[hearty reef]

I stil wouldnt feel like defaulting to recommend no tricks at all, in random scenarios that can happen most of the time it just saves you from stealing aggro

[balmy condor]

Okay but again, your aggro transfer is not preventing that

It’s just shoveling the problem off on the next dps

[hearty reef]

like with bosses that spawn adds midfight

and some spawn near you

[spice surge]

Aka not using tricks on pull yes

[spice surge]

No because its "the tank hasnt hit the mob yet"

Not overaggro

[balmy condor]

What’s preventing the other dps from hitting before the tank has hit the mob

[hearty reef]

nothing, but you dont die

[balmy condor]

Okay so you don’t die and you transfer dogshit piss aggro to the tank, the enhance shaman puts down a fucking Thor hammer and rips cause your aggro transfer is piss

What am I missing here

[sacred schooner]

tricks for us to not die on pull

not for transfering smth to tank

[balmy condor]

Someone else will please read

[spice surge]

The enhance isnt hitting tempest 3000 times a second like spatter

The tank will cast a spell

He will have aggro

[sacred schooner]

without tricks i got hit sometimes for some reason

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

[spice surge]

Its not for your enhance

[limber lion]

Maybe everyone is playing with a group where as a rogue you hit the mobs before the tanks and your group starts casting abilities 10 seconds after

Which is not a thing

[spice surge]

Its so you dont get meleed literal first gcd

Of a new mob

Entering the pack

[limber lion]

Just let the tank do its thing

[sacred schooner]

exactly same what i said, but been told skill issue

lol

[spice surge]

Because the tank cant always have toll for pull

[balmy condor]

Who is pulling this mob

[spice surge]

The tank

[hearty reef]

the tank

facepulling

[spice surge]

With jugdement

On one mob

[hearty reef]

it happens, i have tricks as a safety net

[spice surge]

And theres multiple mobs

[balmy condor]

I’m going to kill someone

[sacred schooner]

haha

[spice surge]

Idk whats hard to understand

[limber lion]

I'm still confused about spatter. Surely your tank or anyone else in the group hits the mobs once before you even are finished applying bleeds let alone spatter

[balmy condor]

No cev were past that

[spice surge]

Its not on an initial pull

[fleet patrol]

I can sit down for a guaranteed crit

[limber lion]

Oh okay

[balmy condor]

We are now in the situation where you are in a pull

And a mob gets pulled

By the rank

But not just that mob

[limber lion]

Okay lol

[balmy condor]

But other mobs around it

[spice surge]

Idk

[balmy condor]

Which are not hit by the tank

And are in range of spatter

[spice surge]

Why you are acting like this never happens

Wild

[balmy condor]

But not any of the tank aoe

[balmy condor]

Because the hypothetical you’re feeding me deeper than a fucking 7 layer dip

[golden loom]

isnt blackjack just an infinitely better option tho, just quick lil AoE 30% damage reduction for 6 seconds

[fleet patrol]

I hardly ever have a situation where i have aggro but i play with 2-3 specific tanks

[hearty reef]

i feel like it's very shallow average andy experience

[limber lion]

I can honestly say that it probably hasn't happened to me. Spatter range is not really that big and for someone to pull a mob from the side, you'd need someone to bodypull from Africa or someone to actually use an ability to pull it

Maybe I'm just missing the point still idk

[balmy condor]

If the best argument you can come up with for tricks is “sometimes there’s a situation in the middle of a pull and an add joins the pull and has friends that are face pulled and your spatter hits before anything else so you take a melee hit”

Then you have no argument

Cause that’s horseshit

[spice surge]

Idk

What to tell you

[limber lion]

The only time I ever get hit, is if I start slapping on mobs before the tank is finished gathering them

And that's totally just on me

[spice surge]

But it happens, and a single melee hit from a sitter will oneshot you

If you can prevent that from happening

[balmy condor]

I mean you don’t have to know what to tell me

You simply cannot convince me tricks is worth a shit

[spice surge]

Well you think im just making shit up that never happens

[fleet patrol]

Why do i always get hit when i ninja pull a boss @balmy condor

[spice surge]

[hearty reef]

oftentimes there’s this situation every rog experienced in the middle or at the start of a pull and an add joins the pull and has friends that are face pulled and your spatter hits before anything else so you take a melee hit

[balmy condor]

No one has been able to convince me for like 5 years now cause every time we have this discussion the person defending tricks has to jump through a million hoops coming up with a situation

[fleet patrol]

We need a video about tricks i think 🤣

[balmy condor]

Nah

[hearty reef]

whats funnier

[solar wyvern]

Omg whispyr senpai noticed me

[balmy condor]

I cannot convince people that tricks is shit either

[hearty reef]

is that all this is competing against blackjack

[balmy condor]

It’s a stalemate

[limber lion]

The only argument for tricks are the stupid snapshots people used to do in Atal'Dazar

[hearty reef]

[spice surge]

Well blackjack sucks too

[balmy condor]

I refuse to be convinced tricks is a button worth having

[spice surge]

So

[hearty reef]

"hey guys dont kick the next round of casta cause they're gonna do 30% less"

[limber lion]

But Tricks can be a feelgood button for sure if you're super impatient and want to pull mobs before the tank does

[solar wyvern]

Make blackjack apply to shiv smh

[balmy condor]

And the community refuses to be convinced that something even marginal is better

So we just sit here and talk to walls

[fleet patrol]

If its a single talent in a meh place on the tree yes u can argue but the fact its a choice node with blackjack

[golden loom]

why is blackjack bad

i dont get it

[sacred schooner]

30% less melee hit?

you kick casts anyway

[hearty reef]

blackjack is huge

[sacred schooner]

or you die

[limber lion]

You press Blind when you need the Blind

[balmy condor]

Blackjack is not huge

[limber lion]

Not when you need the dr

It's just an extra layer of dr on stuff that probably doesn't matter

[solar wyvern]

Blackjack inside stonevault is pnice, or blackjack on shadowflame slashes

[fleet patrol]

Its just better than tricks

[balmy condor]

Blackjack is bad unless in very VERY specific situations like tindral

[hearty reef]

.. in the higly coordinated environment where it can make a big difference and also same environment in which tricks dont matter

[balmy condor]

But very bad is better than tricks so xd

[fleet patrol]

Sounds like tricks is huge now then

🤣

[solar wyvern]

Tricks is turbo because it lets the ret pally in my key blame me for not using it on the tank, so he died from aggro

Cause thats why

Obviously

[fleet patrol]

Just tricks the ret paly

[solar wyvern]

7head

[fleet patrol]

Double down on there threat

I only take it to troll some friends in chilled keys

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[solar wyvern]

I wish they would make tricks 500% more powerful on aug

For no specific reason

[fleet patrol]

Delete aug simple

Bring back old tricks with dmg increase

[balmy condor]

Still less aggro than a tank :/

Make it 1000 and we’re cooking

[hearty reef]

5000?

[balmy condor]

5000 would kill the Aug for sure

[fleet patrol]

Especially when u spatter a mob that gets pulled

[hearty reef]

goodge?

[fleet patrol]

Give sin rogues trickster hero talent so we can have an hr long tricks

[balmy condor]

Dude the hour long tricks on bran in delves

[fleet patrol]

Its amazing

[balmy condor]

And then I still get fucking melee’d

[fleet patrol]

Skill issue

[solar wyvern]

Ah shit the aug used timelessness on me, guess I cant generate any threat

[hearty reef]

it's tricks on brann actually super troll cause he spams disengage and pulls the whole delve?

[balmy condor]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen my bran cast disengage

[fleet patrol]

Yeh i just roll with the hybrid build and its mega chill now

[balmy condor]

Is that a curio or some shit

[solar wyvern]

Healer brann

Best brann

Doesn't disengage, and gives me cherry juice

[fleet patrol]

Think its only if bran is dps

Aint seen mine do it as healer

[balmy condor]

Yeh okay I’ve had perma healer bran so that makes sense

[fleet patrol]

Might have to change my icon to tricks for our leader as its hes fav spell

[golden loom]

this +11 gb breakdown looks very wrong

[restive bobcat]

Newer to sin, I have a few questions I wanna make sure I’m doing correctly.
FoK is your primary builder outside of refreshing caustic in 2+ targets right?

And also, for crimson tempest is it a 2+ target cast or is it higher?

[hollow talon]

Yes for both

[restive bobcat]

Sweet ty

[clever sapphire]

fok is 3+, crimson tempest is 2+

[novel star]

yea fok is 3+ except when fok is also 2+ actually (m+ deathstalker)

(and no one plays fatebound)

[clever sapphire]

well ye, ig i should have added that in

[novel star]

on average it would be more accurate to just say it’s 2+

cause only an emplusser would ask this

and fb m+ is dogshit

[clever sapphire]

what if its a court progresser

[novel star]

ew

[clever sapphire]

[novel star]

just kill the boss

mickey dogshit

damage doesn’t matter

[clever sapphire]

boi my guild is stuck on kyveza

there aint no killing court in sight this season

[novel star]

at least damage matters on kyveza technically

not really anymore but Technically

[clever sapphire]

tbh im in the guild because i usually had to wait till 22-22:30 till friends came on

so i was bored anyways

[novel star]

[clever sapphire]

[winged sun]

17m dmg envenom mists

[slate crown]

kersplosion

[tawny junco]

What’s that cursor 😮

[runic hinge]

Aug detected

[dapper cradle]

give sin trickster so we can have another aoe cleave on top of caustic

[winged sun]

https://wago.io/-sw5L21Om/4

i edited the size of it tho

[subtle karma]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell crater]

Hey all got a question for ya

So I saw on murlok that actually in M+ not a lot of peeps are taking sudden demise even though a 10% bleed increase sounds great

If I get rid of SD I can instead use twist the knife... any insights?

[runic hinge]

Play whatever you want

There’s like 500 combos

You’re just shifting some aoe for st but your overall probably won’t change

[fathom minnow]

yo, is this build really top in m+
I have so crap st

and energy problems

[runic hinge]

That’s just assa in m+

[subtle tundra]

thats the most basic build

so yes

if you want better st? play sub idk

[runic hinge]

Is it worth playing sub if you have to play transmitter?

[spice surge]

Can swap sanguine for demise for slightly more st, or ttk for demise for more aoe

But either way it doesnt shift much at all

Lots of options that are all fine

Personally im bot a big fan of dropping subterfuge because theres some random shit that takes you out of stealth sometimes

It doesnt happen that often but if it does when i dont have darkest night i tilt of the face of the earth

[subtle tundra]

im just too used to subtefuge now

if i dont run it, ill just fuck opener up lol

[hoary remnant]

wdym with worth?

You can probably get title by only playing sub. So your fine with w/e you like most

[spice surge]

Ye same, even though i like supercharger more in theory

I feel like title is gonna be fairly high compared to "usual" this season because theres no "push" weeks, so the cutoff just keeps going up every week

[runic hinge]

I mean transmitter isn’t fun to play but it was mostly a joke

[hoary remnant]

idk idm transmitter anymore. For the output it does. Only on DH a bit annyoing on rogue its w/e

[fallow shore]

so what am i macroing grace with

[runic hinge]

DM

[runic hinge]

Stockholm Syndrome

[hoary remnant]

not really

most trinkets are pretty bland

I can tell you if you still play in 5 years wow you will remember the transmitter

you wont remember your current weapon

[runic hinge]

I’ve played wow for twenty years. I think trinkets with gimmicks are stupid

Branch was stupid.

Puzzle box? Also stupid

[cerulean walrus]

Branch wasn’t the worst

Transmitter

Can suckle the juice from my taint

[runic hinge]

Sub already has a busy enough burst sequence I gotta add doing a random mechanic in the middle of it.

[spice surge]

Personally thought branch was way worse than transmitter

[runic hinge]

Maybe if it was always the same I’d hate it less

[subtle tundra]

you didnt instantly collect the orb? gg

find it

[runic hinge]

I just think adding mechanics into burst classes burst while also having to deal with raid mechanics and other shit gets annoying. Especially when your trinket mechanic can run off into shit that can kill you. Do you chase and chance dying or do you lose part of your burst?

[subtle tundra]

nope you cant cause its somewhere under the 20 people and the boss the size of dornagal

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Lemme just find the orb on broodtwister real quick

[subtle tundra]

why tf does it run away from me

why is it so hard to see it

if it was visible like branch balls it would also be fine

[runic hinge]

Branch balls also moved towards you

[fallow canopy]

You pop transmitter on pull on ansurek and got the platform, good luck

[dawn heath]

why can the horses charge youj when youj are in stealth

super demonic in siege

it also instantly breaks your stealth when u get targeted

[royal lantern]

they can smell you

take a shower stinky

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jnoQPXWAd5zHedGj3?invite=cr-MSxjZGgsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA is this the spotter taking me out of stealth or is it the charge i cant tell

[plush gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

charge

[dawn heath]

ye

completely fucked

no death mark xD

scuffed opener

we doing into the boss as well

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

scuffed ass pull

[dawn heath]

bunch of incidents

[subtle tundra]

never done that pull

[dawn heath]

our tank

we didnt wipe

we made it

[subtle tundra]

that pull just aint worth it

in siege every CR matters

[dawn heath]

it is worth it

we already timed in on 17

if we are gonna do it on 18 we need to do that

we dont have the dps to time it natty

[subtle tundra]

not really

theres plenty of other pulls you can do that are hard

and not on boss

so you dont have to waste CRs

[dawn heath]

no one died

however

on last boss

:DDD

our tank

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jnp2fkkGPq-ydFm_s?invite=cr-MSxuNm0sMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

our tank tried to swim over

[subtle tundra]

idc about this one run

im just saying that pull in general

if you do it again and waste cr its not worth

you want all CRs for last boss

[rotund oak]

SoB is that dungeon u could breeze till last boss and deplete

[dawn heath]

🤷

[rotund oak]

that was the same thing back on bfa

[dawn heath]

we dont normally have any deaths on last boss siege

if u play your defensives correct u live

[rotund oak]

cool to hear,just sayin..

[dawn heath]

siege of boralus in BFA was so much harder

[rotund oak]

yeah but smol mistakes can lead to massive wipes

[dawn heath]

than this version of the boss

[subtle tundra]

nope

you can get unlucky

[rotund oak]

u lose lust u wipe again and its gg

[subtle tundra]

0 on tank

and then multiple on you

and you just die

with 0 counterplay

[dawn heath]

i live every single one

[subtle tundra]

the initial damage yes

buddy

but if you dont get dispelled

?

[rotund oak]

has clos for 1

[dawn heath]

if i don't get dispelled

[subtle tundra]

yea but if you get 3 in a row

[dawn heath]

i press feint phial

[subtle tundra]

and none with tank?

[dawn heath]

then i would cloak one

[subtle tundra]

idk

its rng

[dawn heath]

na i only die if i fuck up on this boss

there is counterplay

u prefeint the hit

[subtle tundra]

whatever

[dawn heath]

if u have nothing and urn ot topped u cloak the initial hit

[fresh kelp]

you are the wrong race unfortunately

dwarf or bust

[dawn heath]

i mean i dont know on 18

but on 17 i don't need much help

[subtle tundra]

how many times have you done the dungeon

[dawn heath]

alot

[rotund oak]

btw casual did it on 18 on stream couple of hours ago as orc

[subtle tundra]

the boss is so very very rng

and rogue is so squishy

[rotund oak]

he died through feint on last boss

[dawn heath]

i'¨ve done it a bunch of times

[subtle tundra]

idk how you can say last boss is not a problem

timer is so omega free

[nimble sierra]

one quick question, Shall I be spamming envenom or I should use it when envenom's debuff is over ?

[spice surge]

Assa**

The other rogue specs are significantly tankier

For some unexplicable reason

[calm grail]

towards the end of DF as OL I was pushing 50% vers

That'd do it

[spice surge]

Even if you disregard the vers

Theres still a large difference

More stamina, passively less damage taken and/or an absorb

[junior yoke]

here I come GB

2 hours queues incoming

[thorny kraken]

i got a question, im rather new to assasination and i seem to run out of energy pretty consistently on bossfights in M+, is there any way to fix that?

[spring linden]

hey friends, can someone maybe explain to me why casual (left) on average does a lot more damage than i do? his sob15 intime vs ours oot

eg evenom dmg is way higher with same casts overall

but i dont understand why

stats are almost identical

[slate crown]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[brazen sluice]

any1 tried the algari alchemist trinket? its simming the highest for me

in Dslice

[dawn heath]

is the cloak window 1 second?

of true immunity?

[slate crown]

!nw 1 sec yes

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[dawn heath]

i died to this

u can see

its 1.0 on the cast

and i just queued lcoak

[slate crown]

Well

Maybe the duration is 0.9999 sec then

your cloak is precisely 1 second before the breath

[dawn heath]

ye

rip

[slate crown]

don't be so precise next time 😛

[spice surge]

Could be 1.02 or something

As in the timing

Since it rounds

But ye unluck

[slate crown]

Like, just cloak with 0.5 sec or less on the breath

[dawn heath]

the problem was that the aug knocked up the mobs infront of the cast time of the frontal so icouldnt see the timer

so i pressed it abit too early

[slate crown]

unfort, stupid augs

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/jnq8HuG4Uwyl60yZP?invite=cr-MSxvZlcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

i mean i could have lived this

its just so stupid

u need to play around this

1s thign

[runic hinge]

no evasion?

[dawn heath]

i usually cloak the first evasion 2nd

but doesnt really matter

i havent died to this in forever

[midnight mist]

I think

The problem isn't your Aug

The problem is your ui

Suck ass

You should be able to clearly see your target cast bar

And your focus target cast bar

To do m+ properly lol

[subtle tundra]

yea its a skill issue right there

zac is right

omg

[humble verge]

maaan, i remember the 16nw i tried

i had 0, yes 0 frontals at me

i literally came at the end of the boss

[dawn heath]

anyone got a shifting sand's wa

[subtle tundra]

the day i track shifting sands is the day wow dies

[marble hemlock]

dw aug never buffs you anyway

[dawn heath]

its just for defensive value