assassination

[solar wyvern]

You do sacrifice overall tho, so its like a ner neutral

[gloomy heart]

Which?

[solar wyvern]

Forced+dashing

[royal lantern]

thats so cooked

jfc

[solar wyvern]

Nah its pretty decent

[subtle tundra]

Then you just wipe to hard pulls cause you don't have enough dps

[solar wyvern]

Oh you never run this shit in like stonevault or grim

Or nw

[gloomy heart]

Think casual plays something like that

[subtle tundra]

In like anywhere

[gloomy heart]

Its just pref

[solar wyvern]

Last I saw causal played 2 lethality 1 supercharger?

But maybe hes moved off

Idk I don't look at strimmers

[rotund oak]

casualdaddy testing stuff all the time

plays a diff game

[trim storm]

1 more question, im using empowering as my 2nd trinket, u think spyglass is better or its not big change ? i didnt drop it yet on hero lvl and didnt test it

[gloomy heart]

It can work but just feels werid to me

When i first started pveing i played that

did decent damage

[safe patrol]

how does the skip in stonevault work with the 2 guards before last boss?

[gloomy heart]

but subter is just better for the way i play

[rotund oak]

im starting 12-13s on my ponytails bruh,the only thing i see is tanks getting oneshotted while bodypulling random packs

or get onetapped from boss pulls

[keen spruce]

People don’t believe me when I tell em to just proc better to parse

[solar wyvern]

So true

[keen spruce]

They all worrying about the buttons they press and the stats and the cooldowns

[spice spire]

You also got PI

[gloomy heart]

ive tried to start my 11-12s but pugs haha 🙂

[keen spruce]

We did have 5 priests

[spice spire]

Big priest tryna keep my boy Phyce down

[gloomy heart]

I been to focused on raid so dont flame me

[keen spruce]

Didn’t phyce get pi too

[spice spire]

He did not that fight

[keen spruce]

He was supposed to

His pocket priest failed him

[spice spire]

You can check his buffs

[rotund oak]

lets be honest here,u blackmailed his priest to meme the details

[gloomy heart]

First fight

My pi priest was on other side on that fight

So you got pi i didnt

[keen spruce]

[rotund oak]

the plot thickens

[keen spruce]

I moved my priest to my side

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

U shoulda said something g

I could swapped them

[gloomy heart]

Its fine brotha

[spice spire]

Only one person got two PIs that entire fight

So it was kinda scuffed

[keen spruce]

Regardless phyce did gud dmg and deserves more heroic pinks

[gloomy heart]

MOOOORE

[strange python]

Ye thats why I went yellow

When you do well on assa try the other specs

It’s fun

[simple garden]

Can we carry the daggers with oils? Or does it not work with poisons?

[slate crown]

can do both

[royal lantern]

its funny cus like

for a long time people went "feral is assa if it was better desinged and can do aoe dmg"

the power of "Number big"

[keen spruce]

i 'member

[royal lantern]

grass is always greener

[runic hinge]

Feral just feels off rn

[royal lantern]

tbh, i think the same about assa

cus they put way to much focus on envenom dmg

[runic hinge]

Despite assa having lower apm feral feels starved to me

[keen spruce]

feral feels miserable

2 abilities, no energy

[runic hinge]

Too many things to upkeep and track

[keen spruce]

use tiger button

2 abilities

no energy

[runic hinge]

4 dots falling off and you get to pick 2

[keen spruce]

i simply let them all fall off

[royal lantern]

based

[keen spruce]

and go bear form

[royal lantern]

i dont belive in damage over time

[runic hinge]

Got a proc for stealth rake but no energy and moonfire falling off

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna go play trickster sub

[shy pike]

yo some1 has a Weakaura for Master Assassin? just a bar to track it

[mild jacinth]

assas damage breakdown looks exactly like ferals season 3 df breakdown where bite damage was the only thing that mattered

[spice spire]

Think the diff is, the other stuff that you do actively fuels the envenom bar

At least from the one tier (10.0) I played feral some

[half igloo]

ay lads anyone got a very simple rupture count WA? and a caustic spatter WA?

[blazing pumice]

what would the caustic spatter wa do

[mild jacinth]

is there any good update plater profiles for assas rogue defaul has everythign tracked and i cant see whats even happening

[blazing pumice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mild jacinth]

is it possible to lose the darkest night buff because i feel like i lost my deathmark stacks when i tried to refresh with max cp envenom

[royal lantern]

it has a 30sec duration

[potent lance]

finaly 639 :))

[royal lantern]

go tank

❤️

[potent lance]

❤️ sure xDD

[royal lantern]

i just noticed that im 639 aswell

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/oops.-i-dropped-my-monstercondom-that-i-use-for-mymagnum-dong.-bottom-left-iasip-q-hindi-gif-3701340404014467099

You rn

[mild rock]

anyone know how to track when to pop first DM on m court?>

[royal lantern]

use it on the first dmg amp

[mild rock]

but ppl are popping 30sec before that tho no

[royal lantern]

not really?

[runic hinge]

Chinese dudes doing weird shit

Maybe playing for lingering during the amp

[fleet whale]

Since I finally have gotten some time to get around to playing this expansion... I have to say I have been an assassin enjoyer

[runic hinge]

But I don’t think that’s more than having dm at the same time. But idk maybe my brain is smooth as fuck

[grim jay]

maybe its some new tech

where you get pi on kb

so you reach the max stacks with that

and want the amp on it

tho I doubt its better

@balmy condor enlighten us

[royal lantern]

"new"

[mild rock]

theyre not getting PI

[royal lantern]

that screenshot is old

[runic hinge]

If they’re holding lust for the amp

[mild rock]

max stacks of what

[runic hinge]

KB

[gloomy heart]

useless

[grim jay]

why the fuck would someone post old screenshots

[mild rock]

whats kb

[runic hinge]

Kingsbane?

[grim jay]

kobold boobs

[mild rock]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

im so out of it

[gloomy heart]

karrot bob

[fleet whale]

It still feels awkward to me to open with Ambush after starting with garrote for like 6 or 7 years but I'm getting used to it
but I know i'm probably just beating a dead horse with that complaint lol

[royal lantern]

nah

hope that they get some sense and change the mark application

cus it sucks

we just have to deal with it

[fleet whale]

the higher energy pool and improved garrote giving you 6 seconds of garrote with no cd helps somewhat

[balmy condor]

whack ass chinese sale runs man idk

makes no fucking sense

[grim jay]

oh right

I forgot they do that

[lament basin]

Lf a german coach ? 😄 i can pay for it 😄

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor

[jade abyss]

Whispyr kann deutsch wenn er will @lament basin

[lament basin]

hab ihn mal angeschrieben 😄

gäbs ansonsten alternativen?

[waxen oyster]

No mythic queen ring

[gloomy heart]

anyone know hw to move this loot bar

idk why its in the far left

[jaunty sky]

move the window?

[gloomy heart]

I cant

isnt there

[jaunty sky]

no just drag the actual window

[gloomy heart]

Cant

its a addon messing with it nvmm

[dark crag]

Loot at mouse cursor

[waxen oyster]

You can probably hit 640 equipped this week

[gloomy heart]

Not when i cant get PANTS TO DROP

[waxen oyster]

if you abuse faction change for ring upgrades

[waxen oyster]

sounds like your sex life

[gloomy heart]

;/

[waxen oyster]

Don’t you just craft pants then

myth skardyns and queen ring are my last 2 upgrades

I took another myth helm this week because it had avoidance.

[gloomy heart]

Did but dont have chest tier

i have crafted chest

[waxen oyster]

F

I got all my myth tier in the first 5 weeks or so

all from m+ slot

[shadow badger]

hawk tua

[strange python]

It’s not really number big in this case tbh I swapped end of s3 df feral was banging, rogue just has feint and cloak and evasion and shit while feral goes bear

And shadow step and and and, list goes on

Ofc number good is good

[tall atlas]

my sub sims about 70k higher than my assa and it makes me so sad

[runic hinge]

I swapped s1 of df cause of those reasons

[dawn heath]

kinda owning?

3.3mil overall here def not bad

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt feral have an identity crisis of devs not knowing if its meant to do big bleeds or big bites?

[runic hinge]

Always. Player base doesn’t know what they want either

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-giving-spell-cat-casting-a-spell-cat-shaky-paws-cat-magic-paws-gif-6896143696966591165

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-bite-gif-26218368

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-camera-shake-gif-21145390

[waxen oyster]

I thought big bites only started in sl

with convoke

[runic hinge]

Yeah kinda. You barely had energy to bite sometimes. They had a season of small bites and then ferals complained they had no burst cause all their damage was in bleeds

So now bites have been getting bigger again

[waxen oyster]

I still remember when bite was like your third prio finisher.

After savage roar and rip

Or the infamous time when brutal slash was your best builder at all times due to tuning.

[runic hinge]

Or when you had to mangle every 12 seconds or your bleeds did nothing

[waxen oyster]

I mean didnt feral need like

3-4 bleeds up

before the damage actually started

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Idk why I played that spec for so long

Sunk cost

[waxen oyster]

Funnily enough I think i see more ferals

in the last 3-4 seasons

than rest of game’s history

[shadow badger]

ive killed the stupid stone guy 13 times and no fathomdwellers

fuck this game

[runic hinge]

You’ll survive

It’s not that much dps

[waxen oyster]

yeah the quest sometimes despawns

[runic hinge]

Go to war mode

[waxen oyster]

if you dont nuke him fast enough

Ring is more for alts with bad rings

[blazing pumice]

what

[lethal turtle]

Were you not around in MOP

[royal lantern]

tbf, the funny thing is

in 2024, feint cloak are not even that strong

the deffensive creep in wow is batshit insane

like, you can say "rogue is sometimes really squishy" and its not even a exageration, cus there is so much shit out there that makes those deffensives look mediocre at best

[waxen oyster]

Ahh roro times

[strange python]

Yeah it’s still better than feral which says a lot

[waxen oyster]

MOP was kind of overshadowed by

warlock class design

[royal lantern]

ye sure

BUT we need to keep the Bear form memes alive, just to make boomkins angry

"wdym boomkin is squishy, you have a 100% uptime dr with bear"

[lethal turtle]

Ya aff was everywhere too. Feral still was wild in pve and everyone and their mom had a feral
For PvP

[runic hinge]

Feral was bonkers fun in mop

I didn’t even do pve

[lethal turtle]

Instant cast cyclones

[waxen oyster]

every mop pvp clip i see

is frost mage sp rdru

or enh blasting 50% your hp bar from 30yds away in ascendance

[lethal turtle]

Reckful went 100-1 or whatever with rdruid sp rogue

[waxen oyster]

1min cloak

mage had temporal shield

warriors had 2 kicks

mop was a wild time

[runic hinge]

Symbiosis giving resto ice block

[royal lantern]

mop is what happens if you only add stuff

cus it also resulted in many things being extremely samey tbh

[runic hinge]

Okay we’ll play mop classic

[strange python]

I’ll definitely play mop classic

[royal lantern]

i wont

[strange python]

First classic I’ll touch

I never played mop

So it’s

Tempting

[royal lantern]

played it back then, dont need it a 2nd time

[waxen oyster]

or you know

[royal lantern]

and 80% will be warlocks, which will be cringe

and disc priests

[waxen oyster]

demo lock forcing blizz to change how leishen trinket worked

[runic hinge]

Yeah I am not gonna level a character for mop with the shit leveling still

Lemme boost to 85 and id consider it

[waxen oyster]

I still wonder why they changed enhance’s ascendance

from shooting out lightning

to…whiffing out wind

[strange python]

Because ur a master of the elements

Duhhh

[royal lantern]

the real answer is, they wanted to make elemental more lighting/fire themed

and enh wind

[waxen oyster]

I mean enhance and ele just feel like

the same spec

but melee/ranged versions

thematically

[royal lantern]

kinda cus they cant decide bettwen "ele shoots fire and lava" and "ele is spamming lighting bolt"

rn we are at the lighting bolt phase once again

[waxen oyster]

isnt it based on tuning

whether the fire ele talents or storm ele talents are ahead

[royal lantern]

kinda, but doesnt help when an entire hero tree is "you throw out more and stronger lighting"

and the other one is kinda neutral in what it does

[waxen oyster]

and for some reason they gave resto ele's meatball procs

too

[waxen oyster]

Hot take: most “good” hero trees are boring

[royal lantern]

you talk with the #2 hero tree hater

[brave comet]

(2) Set Bonus: Your spells and abilities have a chance to activate a Winning Streak! increasing the damage of your Envenom, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest by 3%, stacking up to 10 times. Envenom, Rupture, and Crimson Tempest has a 15% chance to remove Winning Streak!
does this mean they'll remove all stacks of winning streak, or just a single winning streak? what do you guys think

[west crown]

It wipes is clean

[brave comet]

thats a lot of rng mother fucker

[runic hinge]

The whole theme is gambling

[balmy condor]

Gambling patch has dogshit gambling

[storm forum]

It appeals to my inner gacha player

[steep gust]

For the first boss in NW, will cloak work on the frontal?

I know evasion works

[blazing pumice]

you have to cloak the second before it casts

cloak has a hard immunity for the first second or so, then a soft immunity

[balmy condor]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[steep gust]

thx

[mild jacinth]

how often do we use fan of knifes in pure singletarget?

[slate crown]

once every mark application

for ctw

[hasty echo]

When you have a Clear the Witness proc right?

[pliant remnant]

Yeah, but how often is that, on average?

It's for his statistics class

[slate crown]

what's the denominator? often as in % of casts? often over time?

[mild jacinth]

holy i have been like not pressing it at all

[coral ibex]

you should be pressing it once after every fourth finisher

[waxen oyster]

I mean it's not a huge gain to press

technically

[jade abyss]

We press fok in m+ on +2 targets right?

[waxen oyster]

Yes unless you need to refresh caustic

[jade abyss]

Ok then i do it right

[thorn thorn]

Does that mean you change your name to Whispyr of Hating 11.1

[mild jacinth]

whats the target count for crimson tempest? 2 also?

[keen spruce]

DnD night

[fading vigil]

I noticed casual runs this build in certain keys

is this a much different play style?

[keen spruce]

It’s the same

Except u don’t have 2 vanishes

And you have to manage your DSM a little more diligently

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[keen spruce]

Same

[coral ibex]

i feel like it would be easier since you get the bonus cp from shivs

[idle meteor]

Is it wrong to cast ambush before empowered garrote after vanishing during single target?

[slate crown]

yo how the FUCK did you break into my house and steal that from me wtf

the bottle opener

[royal lantern]

what is your character

[keen spruce]

I’m a half orc warlock that doesn’t know what magic is

I just wanted the grolls out of my woods

And got black out drunk and made a pact with orcus on accident

[spice spire]

Dog?

[slate crown]

no, cat

[spice spire]

True

[blazing pumice]

for what purpose

[winged sun]

good morning friends

[spice spire]

Gn

[potent lance]

Unlaaaki xD

[royal lantern]

based af

[calm grail]

Feel like this'll be solid

[balmy condor]

Very generic 2 min on use

[stark halo]

Any start simming the new trinkets

[balmy condor]

Why

What information would you gain from knowing how trinkets are performing from a patch you can’t play for another 2 months

[static glacier]

disagree, having omni-mainstat on it makes it different from the usual, makes it a lot more annoying to get

ashes of the embersoul ptsd

[runic hinge]

I need to know my bis for next season so I can plan day 1 dungeon schedule

[blazing pumice]

I'd like to know how much raiding I have to do so I can m+

[waxen oyster]

What if i just want the thug hotline for style points

[waxen oyster]

First thing is you realize you're playing wrong class

and then reroll

[blazing pumice]

? this is the first time rogue has been meta in years

[waxen oyster]

We were better in df

idk

[blazing pumice]

what season

[waxen oyster]

s1/3

its nice though to be able to do the annoying chore of m+

every season

for gear

[blazing pumice]

3 was mage/priest/evoker

[waxen oyster]

people played outlaw to title

idk

[blazing pumice]

start of s1 outlaw was banging until nerfs

[waxen oyster]

And i think m+ is a total waste of time if you're not in title range

s1 was outlaw/sub after nerf tbh

[blazing pumice]

right, and there are plenty of rogues in title range

myself included

[waxen oyster]

thundering was probably the most balanced season they've had

for years

I can't take m+ too seriously until they make you lose score for depletes

[austere bramble]

have yall tried thunderlord gem? it's doing like 4% of my dps on boss fight

[blazing pumice]

i mean

by that logic you shouldn't take raid rankings seriously

[waxen oyster]

maybe its better if undergeared

raid rankings you at least have wr

[blazing pumice]

you should lose ranking per pull

[waxen oyster]

You effectively lose ranking when wiping since another guild will kill before you

[austere bramble]

im 638 it seems like it pumps idk

[blazing pumice]

you can just raid another day

[waxen oyster]

Doesn't mean someone else wont take the spot

[blazing pumice]

there's plenty of guilds that brute force their way through kills

[waxen oyster]

pvp makes you lose rating for losses

[waxen oyster]

I mean you can try simming

one pull isn't reflective of how good it is overall

[blazing pumice]

wow pvp isn't a good model for anything kek

[waxen oyster]

you could have had more procs/more times skipper procced it

The ring is fucking stupid honestly though

being able to get a combat pot during your opener cds

or get a heal

[blazing pumice]

I haven't simmed but I'm pretty sure thunderlord is equal or better than the stat one st

it was recommended at one point in pins

[balmy condor]

yes

"at one point"

and then the gems changed

and it was not recommended anymore

cause it is strictly worse

[waxen oyster]

it's better for outlaw since that spec is dogshit designed

[balmy condor]

tf we doing here

[waxen oyster]

and crutches on green text

[blazing pumice]

idk I don't keep track of changes that don't impact m+

[waxen oyster]

delete aug when

[balmy condor]

but the gems you equip do impact m+

are you not using the ring

[blazing pumice]

idk i just read the pin and move on

[waxen oyster]

I see alot of people still not have ring

when i do vault keys

[balmy condor]

so you read the pin, which doesn't have any mention of thunderlords, because it is worse, you then move on, and then you say that without having any info or simming, you're pretty sure thunderlord is equal or better

brilliant

[blazing pumice]

i don't check my car is outside every moment but I'm pretty sure it's there

[balmy condor]

what kind of shit fucking analogy is that

[austere bramble]

damn relax brother

[balmy condor]

I am super relaxed

I just want people to not say complete barefaced lies

is that unreasonable

[junior yoke]

Man is it even possible to time +12 SV or GB pugging? 🥺 30 mins queuing into 10 min wiping and the wheel turns again 😑 i’m tireeeeed

How did u guys manage to do 14 pug GB??? I don’t get it

[balmy condor]

you repeat the process you explained until it happens

[junior yoke]

Hahahah I can’t stand it anymore, too much times, it just won’t happen

[balmy condor]

you either find a group of friends or roll the queue slot machine forever

[junior yoke]

💔

[blazing pumice]

you get lucky and find a group of good players

[balmy condor]

m+ in a nutshell

[junior yoke]

Damn it is…

[blazing pumice]

you're not going to time a 14 gb with a bunch of 2800 io randoms

[junior yoke]

The thing is I’m 2900 and just looking to do all 12s

[blazing pumice]

same reason your local football team isn't going to go pro

[junior yoke]

But man, I’m like 30 mins queuing until I get invites

And after that first pull wipe and bye

[blazing pumice]

you're behind the curve and you're playing with other people who are behind the curve

[waxen oyster]

you get friends

m+ sounds genuinely unrewarding to do with randoms

[blazing pumice]

gb is a fucked dungeon

[waxen oyster]

at least with friends its a good laugh when something goes south

[junior yoke]

Yeah… the bad thing is my schedule, difficult to fit with soneone 😅

[junior yoke]

I think SV is much worse

[waxen oyster]

if i had an inconsitent schedule i wouldnt play wow

ngl

[junior yoke]

I hate sv so much

[waxen oyster]

its a shit game for erratic schedules

[junior yoke]

Yeah just for that I just play weekends, but sone weekends can’t play so…

But now is xmas 😂

Btw merry xmas all I’m late

[blazing pumice]

highest gb is a 17

[waxen oyster]

Keys under 12 nowadays have some

"people"

[blazing pumice]

sv is 18 at least

[waxen oyster]

I swear half these mfs were hardstuck 7 keys

1-2 months ago

[junior yoke]

The hardest tine for me was to get invited for 10s

[waxen oyster]

if i dont invite a full group of people above 635 for a mists for vault

i swear i see the dumbest shit

that makes me wish i didnt have eyesight

[junior yoke]

For 10s I really was thinking even pay for a rush

Because man… nobody invited me

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you're a dps

its just alot in queue

so you need ilvl

to stand out

[junior yoke]

I mean… i’m not bad ilvl, not best of course but not bad

634

[waxen oyster]

I mean i did a mists rogue double warrior

which is honestly

a 2/10 comp

but works because its 10 keys who cares

[junior yoke]

And after u go to group with 637 ppl and they don’t even know how to press buttons

[blazing pumice]

push hard and early at the start of a season

[waxen oyster]

Make friends

[blazing pumice]

save yourself future headaches

[junior yoke]

Tried but did not play last dragonflight season, so you can imagine what ppl think about me xd

[blazing pumice]

probably nothing, I don't think rating carried over

[waxen oyster]

At this point in the season anyone in 12 keys and under likely wasnt even doing 10s first 2 weeks.

If i see a dps signup in queue that isnt a vault filler

[junior yoke]

I didn’t do 10 first 2 weeks at all 😂

[waxen oyster]

there's a 90% chance they suck

ima be fr

[junior yoke]

I think first 10 was about hmm… a month and a half or smth

What can I do

[blazing pumice]

play more kek

[junior yoke]

Whish I could man

[runic hinge]

For m+ brain rot? Probably

[junior yoke]

But ure right

[waxen oyster]

You get a team

its only consistent way

[junior yoke]

For season 2 I’ll have to think about it for sure

Now I have 6/8, just need this 2 shit dungs

[blazing pumice]

there's plenty of time left in the season

[junior yoke]

Yes I know, but I mean, imagine u spamming all day and get invited in… idk, 4 dungs? And all 4 are wipes

Ggs

Btw last 2 was all about tanks yoloing

[jaunty sky]

Why not run your own key at least

[junior yoke]

Cause I don’t have sv or gb

I got mists and already got this

[jaunty sky]

Run yours to reroll it

[junior yoke]

For some reason when I start a group there’s just 2650-2700 ppl queuing, not gonna even run the risk

[jaunty sky]

Well

That's why you're not getting invited either

[junior yoke]

2700 not the same as 2900 but sure

😀

[jaunty sky]

Dungeon not timed still shows

[junior yoke]

Not if not completed

[jaunty sky]

🙂

[junior yoke]

🙃

[jaunty sky]

Yeah but ppl running twelves will have you applying with 2900 while not having that dungeon timed and others with 2900 or 3000 or whatever and the dungeon timed. Which of these would you invite

Not even taking your spec and party fit into question

[waxen oyster]

Chat how much will people hate me

if i rename my dh all ascii chars

[jaunty sky]

That's almost like a russian player so I'd say about that much

[junior yoke]

Not saying u’re wrong at all. But realistically the guy who has not completed may put an extra effort more than the other. But u’re right 100%, I would invite the other cause i’m dumb and numbers are nice

[waxen oyster]

On Na

worst we have is latam players

[blazing pumice]

every ragnaros and quelthelas player is quality

[jaunty sky]

Their Cyrillic names are fucking with all the addons and it's very unpleasant to look at a line of boxes

[uneven plume]

It’s too late in the season to pug to a high io score

Push early if you’re pugging

[blazing pumice]

yep

i had no group at start of season, just had to slum it early

[junior yoke]

S2 I’ll try my best to do it

[uneven plume]

Where everyone starts at the same level

Plus you have a much higher chance of forming

A push team

[blazing pumice]

was very obvious when going into 12 keys who the bad players were

[uneven plume]

Which realistically is the only way to push high atm in general

[blazing pumice]

before then everything is just a wash because no one knows any mechanics

[uneven plume]

Lfg capped at 15s

[waxen oyster]

Also how cursed am i

making a bald white albino dracthyr

[junior yoke]

XDDDD everyone will know who you arr

[waxen oyster]

there are others

[junior yoke]

U can’t be for real HAHAHAHAH

[uneven plume]

What are these trinkets and tier sets

Full blown casino

[jaunty sky]

What do u expect from the goblin theme

Steady 5% ROI

I don't think so

[uneven plume]

But they are money hungry

Not gamblers

Lmaoo

[jaunty sky]

Yeah they own the casino

We're playing in it

I dont see your point

[uneven plume]

I expect a Jewish vibe from goblins. Not degen gamblers excuse my French

[jaunty sky]

Yeah

Definitely

[uneven plume]

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure

goblins are portrayed as the risky ones

and gnomes the safe ones

[jaunty sky]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblins_versus_gnomes

[jovial epoch]

For M+ strictly - something about deathstalker grinds my gears, I forget to FoK sometimes to consume clear the witnesses and it also irritates me greatly having to force/overcap CP to 7 just to consume darkest night. How much dps am I throwing away by switching to fatebound?

[waxen oyster]

How are you not using fok in m+

[west crown]

Fatebound does reduced damage outside of ST. Soooo, a decent amount. In m+ you should be using fok on 2+

[waxen oyster]

Honestly deathstalker’s nodes are just so much better in aoe

singular focus in nw

[blazing pumice]

fatebound has significantly worse defensives

getting dr from evasion is big

[waxen oyster]

Would argue even the damage nodes are just worse

[blazing pumice]

put a big fat weakaura on your screen that shows you when clear the witnesses is up

the duration is huge, you shouldn't have trouble using it

[waxen oyster]

I mean how often are you not going to press fok in keys

[west crown]

Since he didn’t know this I was just trying to simplify it

[solar wyvern]

Did 17 cot today, whats the play to live Izo

Pray my healer is ready

?

[blazing pumice]

feint all the splices and pray

use crimson vial liberally

[solar wyvern]

Prefeint the splices, still died through it. Did feint+evasion for splice and slam

We rotated sac's, my cds, healer externals it was pain

[blazing pumice]

i think my biggest mistake when we were running the 16 was not crimson vialling enough

[solar wyvern]

Yeah i started with crimson vial+feint on first splice

And i still died

It was like, oooooh kay

Good to know for next time tho xd

Sucks, was totally timable

[empty hinge]

Happy holidays to all assassination enjoyers

[normal mist]

If you're still missing the Blazecycle mount from the mountain dew event, there's still a chance! #1320476153034838076 give it a try 🙂

[velvet nacelle]

good god i'm struggling with zekvir

best pull was 15% like 2 hours ago, i'm full on tilting now so that might be it for the night

any time i get a good pull going he double crits me and just kills me

[keen spruce]

CTW is also like

just not very important

in ST at least

and in AoE you're gonna consume it aanyways

[cyan karma]

I think the loop of playing to it though helps a tonne

[manic sphinx]

How do you handle Fiery Ricochet in SOB?

Just need defensives?

[west crown]

cloak, pot, wall with evasion

[blazing pumice]

feint

[manic sphinx]

cloak works?

[rotund oak]

It shouldnt work now but if u were targeted u could take two steps back and vanish the cast

[jade abyss]

Cloak works yeah

Evasion only the dr

[rotund oak]

now we normally feint/clos

[jade abyss]

We cloak when she casts? Bcs when i press vanish she takes a other target and i get richochet anyways x)

[rotund oak]

the later into the cast the better

assuming there is enough time for the projectile to bounce around and still clos be active

[subtle tundra]

quick tip
after the initial hit on a targeted player, it hits the closest player, up to 4 in total so always 1 left that doesnt get hit
if all your ranged are stacked on 1 side you can position yourself so you dont get hit(when you're not targeted)

[manic sphinx]

Thx, then I guess those are not avoidable either? Just the closest ppl. But ok, thx - I think I need to pay closer attention

[rotund oak]

wasnt that fixed?like all players are hit now?

recent patch

might be wrong

[subtle tundra]

recent patch

as if i played since

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

havent done a siege in over a month

why would boss mechanics suddenly change

[rotund oak]

ah should be around there ye maybe 3 weeks

idk

lemme check if i can find it

[subtle tundra]

i couldnt convince my team to go for 18 siege after we did 17

so i havent done any since

the ring is op so we will have to go for 1 key level higher everywhere after break

[rotund oak]

Dungeons

Siege of Boralus
Iron Tide Raider health reduced by 15%.
Bilge Rat Buccaneer health reduced by 10%.
Irontide Waveshaper health reduced by 20%.
Ashvane Sniper health reduced by 10%.
Scrimshaw Enforcer health reduced by 20%.
Bilge Rat Tempest’s Choking Waters cast time increased.
Iron Tide Raider’s Iron Hook ability cooldown increased.
Iron Tide Raider’s Iron Hook maximum range decreased.
Bilge Rat Demolisher Crushing Slam’s damage ignores armor and its damage has been reduced by 40%.
Bilge Rat Demolisher health reduced by 10%.
Hadal Darkfathom
Health reduced by 5%.
Viq’Goth
Demolishing Terror’s Slam no longer knocks players back.
Demolishing Terror’s Slam damage now ignores armor.
Fixed an issue that caused the area effect when dispelling Putrid Waters to not scale in Mythic keystones.
Developers’ notes: The intent of these changes is to balance the overall length of the dungeon against the timer, while rewarding players for prioritizing high-threat enemies. The adjustments to Viq’goth aim to even out damage across all armor types and eliminate a frustrating aspect of the encounter.

these are the sob nerfs,cant find anything for the psychochick

[crimson zephyr]

can someone give me a m+ log of let's say grim batol + 12 that was a good run? Wanna compare something

[subtle tundra]

holy moly they destroyed siege

18 now will be easier than 17 was

or when's that from

[rotund oak]

september 24rth

[subtle tundra]

nvm youre baiting me

thats from season start

[rotund oak]

didnt know either fam,it was foggy,was wrong obviously 😛

[blazing pumice]

can you imagine still doing that shit hole with the slam knocking back

[keen spruce]

lmao get baited bozo

[subtle tundra]

why are you mean

[keen spruce]

ily

[subtle tundra]

do you want to end the year on a mean note

wow...

be nice

spread good vibes

[keen spruce]

I want to be consistent is all

can't just be nice during the holidays and expect everyoen to think you're a saint

https://tenor.com/view/american-pie-dad-homies-keep-it-real-gif-3397847

[subtle tundra]

youre getting touched

[rotund oak]

certified menace

[obsidian bear]

chat which is drippier, orc or tauren 🤔

[subtle tundra]

vulpera 🤤

[obsidian bear]

[royal lantern]

hes right you know

[humble verge]

gse macro..?

[royal lantern]

....what macro?

[humble verge]

just use standardized macros

:3

[rotund oak]

[blazing pumice]

there's no macro that will play the game for you

[humble verge]

well....

theres hunter

[blazing pumice]

and your opener is going to be different every time in m+

and quite frankly sin doesn't have that many buttons

[humble verge]

well, infact most of the times id say no

esp not for assa

[rotund oak]

there are cast sequence macros but arent rly reliable in many occassions

[blazing pumice]

you're going to walk into packs with different amount of combo points and possible no dn up

[normal mist]

If you want to play m+, there's no way you'll do it with those macros

[deft dome]

Got it. So spending time to work ob rotation is the way to go

[blazing pumice]

unless you are like 70 years old, you just need to play the game

[humble verge]

only macros youll ever need for m+ is like a mark and shiv macro imo

[rotund oak]

always was friend

u need to practice

no ways around it

[normal mist]

Hey

Warrior wotlk

I remember

[deft dome]

I manage to get it right most of the times, but having many things to look out for messes my rotation

[normal mist]

You had a 3 button spec

[humble verge]

took me 2 minutes to learn the rotation, but took me couple dusin hours to perfect it

[rotund oak]

SL Sub wasnt that far away

[normal mist]

For real was that easy?

I mean I did 20s as sub

[rotund oak]

ye u pretty much storm=>bp

[normal mist]

Black powder brrrrrr

Shuriken storm brrrr

Was a fun loop

[humble verge]

me when i Shuriken Storm and do top deeps on Zul

[normal mist]

It was like a quick time event

[humble verge]

i liked BfA sub

[rotund oak]

yeah after that sub was nuked to azeroth depths

[normal mist]

I was there

[humble verge]

yeah i swapped to outlaw for BoD

[rotund oak]

kinda weird they didnt launch it to the sun

[rotund oak]

how convenient

[split cipher]

I learned to play sub 5 minutes before zul. Took 4th place with a single digit gray parse in the guild i was trialing at lol

[humble verge]

though i did get back into sub in SL

and then promptly swapped to Sin mid-tier in CN cause it was 10 times better

[rotund oak]

it wasnt exactly had to storm=>evisc

😛

[humble verge]

considering sub was as easy as it was back then yeah

[split cipher]

And weave in some "stop killing my dogs" to the other dps

[humble verge]

idk how opener is now

[rotund oak]

3-4 rogues doing x5 times more dmg than any other dps spec in the game

while funneling

was such a meme

😂

[normal mist]

But they didn't need to literally kill the spec for the rest of the expansion

[rotund oak]

true..

sub didnt exist after that

[humble verge]

hurr durr spec does much damage? NUKE TO THE GROUND!! hurr durr - idk Blizzard?

actually

i think i might have swapped just to sub

for zul

[normal mist]

The worst part is that it only really shinned in zul

[humble verge]

i was playing outlaw like half the fights in uldir

cant check my olds logs tho i think

sadge

[normal mist]

You can only see parse number

[humble verge]

nah like

[normal mist]

Logs are kinda gone iiirc

[humble verge]

the character is considered

"deleted"

[normal mist]

Oh

[humble verge]

well

i also removed it from my wlogs

since it was linking from rio

to it

which was stupid

[rotund oak]

bro didnt want to be considered a fotmroll cheeser

[humble verge]

nvm its still here wtf

[rotund oak]

ends up playing outlaw

😂

[humble verge]

i think i had like

a rank 1

on Taloc

as outlaw

[rotund oak]

bfa outlaw

[humble verge]

CN rofl

ok so i did swap over mid-tier as i thought

[blazing pumice]

all of the fotm rerollers were disappointed with early sl sub

sin was kind of nutty for sire

[marble wagon]

Should I use vanish to spread rupture for scent before dm? or use vanish in dm for MA

[cyan karma]

Use stealth ideally

[blazing pumice]

when would this situation occur

everything should be dotted from stealth

and you probs aren't going to dm a pack that has lost dots

[marble wagon]

ah yeah true was practicing on dummies

I guess packs wouldnt live longer than 2 minutes

[limber lion]

Outlaw enjoyer on SLG

Just like me

Literally the only mythic boss I've ever killed as Outlaw ever

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

CN was a dark time

even i played outlaw in raid back then

and the 40% aura buff

[onyx raft]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

Same...

Now I'll just get benched if there's an outlaw boss

I don't need to slave away anymore 👽

[noble pine]

hey is anyone else having this issue?
so i logged in to do a raid and for some reason i am not regening energy like i should , it's like i have negative haste

is something bugged?

[subtle tundra]

Do you have poisons applied

And not instant poison only

[noble pine]

i have

[subtle tundra]

Deadly or Amp?

[noble pine]

relogging fixed it ffs

it was probably a timer bug

after i reloged it showed i had no posions

[rotund oak]

trying to successfully pug and complete 11s..

not worth it

entilted bozos thinking they know everything with practically 0 xperience at this game

[tired oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[primal burrow]

Every wa and rotation gonna change to "spam rupture and envenom as soon as you have 1cp to proc the reset stack and increase the 4sec 30% buff uptime". Guess blizzard didn't think of it this way ... Could be more APM for spec actually doing so ? Sims will be interesting. Fact is they flatten out the tiers because they acknowledged they couldn't balance classes in the current states of bugs and different tiers sets... Guess S2 is a crash test, let's meet again on S3 with true game.

[limber lion]

It will not work that way and no apm will not increase either, our apm is entirely determined by our energy, not how we press our buttons.

It'll be fine.

[midnight mist]

@subtle tundra

[royal lantern]

@midnight mist

[subtle tundra]

ill

touch you zac

for new years

[midnight mist]

varas

second boss sv

[subtle tundra]

meow

[midnight mist]

do you try lining up dn

to like

dn the crystlas

[humble verge]

nah

[subtle tundra]

no

imagine if DN bugs out once

and you lose your mark

LOL

[midnight mist]

ye thats true

[royal lantern]

just play cringebound

[subtle tundra]

ill touch you

[coral ibex]

i need to know if 11.1 will be BOOM or DOOM

[manic quartz]

man im so fucking over about getting these last two gems, 80 tries so far

[subtle tundra]

then dont

[royal lantern]

bro

[subtle tundra]

wait for fix

[royal lantern]

wtf are you doing

just wait for a fix lol

its frking 1%

[subtle tundra]

its fucking holidays and youre farming a bugged feature

[royal lantern]

^

[manic quartz]

not farming, just logging in when i have 5mins and trying

and logging out

[willow eagle]

Which gems are you missing? I thought only one was bugged out

[royal lantern]

again, if its that annoying, just wait until new years is over and the reset after that will probs get a fix

cus devs are back at work again

[manic quartz]

why cant this damn company for once do something right

[royal lantern]

its a minor problem that happend over holiday time

[vast patio]

I got them day two. Just need it on one char and you can buy it for alts.

[mild jacinth]

Im using luxthos weakaura and im confused because shouldnt there be and extra combo point from sanguine stratagem and deeper stratagem for 7 combo point total? or am i being dumb?

[rotund oak]

have u checked your talent tree?

[mild jacinth]

i have both talents ye or is there a talent i have that reduces max combo points by one

[rotund oak]

yup u got both,this is weird

personally dont use luxthos but u could reach for him and ask him to fix it

[mild jacinth]

gonna try installing it again maybe i have an old version

[rotund oak]

Ild recommend whispyr's or Le's packages

both legit

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[primal yoke]

this event always shows this citrine as the reward for me, even though I have already collected this citrine.

is this the bug everyone is talking about?

[tired girder]

if your night elf and use shadowmeld do you get the bonus crit from spec tree or is that only for using vanish?

and do you get like indiscrimiate carnage again? and can imp garrote?

[rotund oak]

u need to press stealth after shadowmeld to get the stealth stance

and all the perks from it

[tired girder]

just seems nuts to me that any race would sim higher than getting those bonuses no?

[royal lantern]

doesnt work on bosses

[rotund oak]

well u prolly arent aware of other racials my man idk

[royal lantern]

and its wonky af

+if it was actually huge impact, they would change it

[rotund oak]

Mechagnomes,Orcs,Humans,Dwarves

[royal lantern]

but alas, it isnt

and racials are a meme anyway

[tired girder]

gotcha ok so doesn't work in raid or boss encounters, only in m+ trash

[normal mist]

Yes

Also add the word "sometimes" there

[tired girder]

that's where the confusion was, cause i dont get how any racial would come close if that were the case

tyty every1

[rotund oak]

u rly underestimating other racials

[royal lantern]

and you overvalue them

[dawn heath]

if you're a raid main then racials arent very important

if you pvp or play m+

then its a different story

[royal lantern]

like, Outside of "i push m+ giga high and need dwarf for stoneform cus m+ at high levels is only about cheesing stuff that would kill you in 1hit" you should not think "omg what race to play for performance????"

[royal lantern]

im gonna be honest, i constantly forget that pvp like

exists

is rogue even good there?

[dawn seal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

Did you update your WA package? I'm assuming that Lux updated it already as it's used by a ton of people

[rotund oak]

Thats true,for pvp racials are very strong.Nelf's Meld can enable some crazy sht

[golden loom]

orcs also have the stun reduction thingy in retail still right

[mild jacinth]

ye was my fault had an old version

[golden loom]

even if its not as broken as the classic version where its just straight up more stun resists

[rotund oak]

it might be better now

20% less time spend is huge

[golden loom]

yeah but you still have more tools in retail, its like if your 1 kidney shot is resisted in classic ur kinda fucked

[rotund oak]

its 20% iirc

damn im getting older

[golden loom]

also 25% more is kinda crazy

[rotund oak]

but anyway,dmg dealers play orcs for BF

[rotund oak]

ye thats the old version

[golden loom]

ye

[rotund oak]

u dont resist stuns now

yup

Shamans play orcs for both ofc those,pretty huge

but in all i think dwarves better

Or priests playing Gnomes into balance druids to break free from root/beam

any other race would have to trinket that or his teammates would die while he sits the 8sec root

[royal lantern]

#pvp

or im gonna throw up

[tight dagger]

Yo. In new 11.1 come one big nerf to rouge?

[dawn seal]

is Quake around here

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dawn seal]

oh

[normal mist]

[rotund oak]

who told u that?

the only things we know of is that they nerf outlaw SoH and buff flaggelation for Subtetly

[coral ibex]

NEW PATCH BOOM OR DOOM???

[rotund oak]

some crazy stuff man

[heady elbow]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hollow river]

it got nerfed

[rotund oak]

in pvp specifically or in general?

[hollow river]

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

Hi

Just ping me big dog

[dawn seal]

ohh

[spice spire]

I’ll get to it when I get to it

But I’ll sequester the log

[dawn seal]

I forgot the log thing

I got a kyveza log

[spice spire]

Yeah just ping me

[dawn seal]

I just did

[spice spire]

And I make it

Hell yeah

[dawn seal]

I am ready

[spice spire]

Send er bud

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KBgCyc8r6NA2WVJh?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=160

[timid vortex]

do anima combo points work up to spending 9?

[slate crown]

yes

[timid vortex]

thx

[worldly dock]

twist the knife over Master assasin? any1 plays like this?

[unreal fern]

Then there is no point for subterfudge

[worldly dock]

hmmm

i also dont wanna get rid of sanguine blades because i like the m+ dmg

[unreal fern]

ppl play then supercharge 1x and 2x lethality

[worldly dock]

whats the diff? in dps?

[dapper cradle]

oh shit what's the flag buff?

pretty sure there is no flag buff

[rotund oak]

some minor % stuff dont remember exactly

[dapper cradle]

these are full rogue patchnotes for 11.1

[hollow river]

flag was listed on the actual data mine post iirc

dunno if anything actually changed for it tho

[dapper cradle]

ya idk what that even means tbh

seems like a semantic change?

[warm sleet]

I'm starting to play my rogue in 12s. How do you survive wretch on the first boss of necrotic wake?

[vast patio]

Evasion, feint

[spice spire]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[hollow river]

ye likely just some weird tooltip shit or something

happens a lot on the data mined posts

same thing with the pvp modifier listed there

where it says it's changing from 1->0.5

[static glacier]

yep pretty much

[hollow river]

that change already happened months back

[woven knoll]

new ring good or trash?

[static glacier]

good

[hollow river]

pins

[spice spire]

Pins are good

[placid adder]

cloak evasion

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/av-anime-vanguard-delayed-anime-vanguard-update-gif-10997121717752028681

[spice spire]

Read this pal

[rotund oak]

yup if its only listed for the kit i stand corrected im sorry

[worldly dock]

does it worth to use Crimson on 1 target only?

[royal lantern]

no

ct is 2+

[flint star]

The more I play, the more I realize that MA is a scam talent in M+

[royal lantern]

what

why

[flint star]

Vanishing to reapply your dots is better

[royal lantern]

is this some m+ brain stuff im not insane enough to understand

[flint star]

• you can take SD

[royal lantern]

??????

[flint star]

And it's better even on ST

[royal lantern]

??????????????

what the hell

[flint star]

Are you trolling

[golden loom]

just run both SD and MA

[royal lantern]

MA is for kingsbane+dm boosting

you know

where most of your dmg cones from

[flint star]

TTK is more prio damage

[royal lantern]

that is a gigantic cope, it barely makes a difference

[flint star]

Isn't it cope too? +20% crit every 2 minutes

[royal lantern]

i gues deathmark is cope then aswell

more dmg every 2min

garbage talent tbh

[flint star]

Vanishing for utility > vanishing for marginal dps gain

[royal lantern]

you play a cd spec, making your cd windows stronger is literally the point of it

[royal lantern]

what do you vanish for "utility" that you could not do otherwhise/that you cant solve with the 2nd vanish charge then

Cus 2min ago you said "vanish for dots"

[flint star]

Reapplying dots?

[royal lantern]

(dots do no dmg btw)

[flint star]

Saves a lot of gcd

[spice surge]

All of the points are worth roughly the same anyway

[royal lantern]

how is "i want to reapply my weak af bleeds that do no dmg and only exists for energy" suddenly utility and not using it for dmg

[spice surge]

Ttk, SD, sb, ma

[flint star]

Who cares about bleed dmg, bro

It's energy you convert in your prio damage

[royal lantern]

you said "vanish for dots" 2 times wtf

[flint star]

For REAPPLYING

[spice spire]

They still do 0 damooj in the end

It doesn’t matter between like

500 permutations

Live your best life

Who cares

[flint star]

What else can you discuss about assa then

Talents barely make difference

[spice spire]

Think it’s less of a discussion and more yelling into the void if you’re not going to listen to other points of view

For what it’s worth

[normal mist]

feelscraft is valid

[royal lantern]

idk man, you started with "MA is a fake talent"

[spice spire]

The whole point of MA is ST dam

Lines with dm

So it creates more burst in burst class therefore more st dam

Which is what most people screech about

That’s why it exists

[flint star]

Won't save ST anyway

[spice spire]

Exactly

It helps

But we still hit like a wet noodle

[flint star]

So I'll focus on doing more dam on packs

[spice spire]

Unless you’re in mega pisslow and bosses last 90s